There's another book missing in the Bible, equally important (though if the Book of Jesus existed, maybe it would be in there): The holy inspired text that tells us which other texts are also holy and inspired. "And Jesus spake unto them, saying 'The Gospel of Matthew thou shalt first include, but the not Gospel of Thomas, for that one is not holy...'" Whether that text was holy could still be questioned, but at least the 4th century problem of which texts to include would have be much reduced.
Because he wants us to make our own decisions and we're not robots. He hasn't actually "commanded" us to do anything for thousands of years. There are many prophecies in the old testament that came true hundreds of years later- the most important being Jesus himself. Explain that? Explain the Ark of the Covenant. Explain the unique landforms in the Grand Canyon that point to an obvious great flood. Explain how carbon fossils and bones could have survived for MILLIONS of years w/out disintegratin
@wb5704 explain Jesus? Did you even watch the video? And if you think the grand canyon came from a great flood you're at odds with the experts who actually have a clue what they're talking about.
Good points! I never thought of that before. But then again, I don't think about Jesus very much in my atheist life. You are interesting to watch and listen to! A nice discovery on Youtube for a Saturday afternoon. Best wishes.
@MystryBox If you are referring to John 8:6-8 this could be that Jesus was PRETENDING to write in the ground. This is the only thing that makes sense. The alternative (that God is imaginary) is just crazy.
I posted a message on another related video recommending this one.
@WarmWeatherGuy I'm not sure what point you're making and I don't really care. The point I was making is the bible suggests Jesus could write. If Jesus was god and could do miracles and whatnot it's laughable to suggest he couldn't write. Or is your all knowing god illiterate? Even if your god was illiterate he could've had a scribe dictate. And this is already way to much on a really stupid point.
@WarmWeatherGuy Poe's law indeed. If you go back far enough in the comments for this video you'll find Christians that have suggested Jesus was a carpenter that couldn't write.
@MystryBox I just found out that the part of the Bible that you mentioned (where Jesus is writing in the sand) was added to the Bible many centuries after the original book of John, which itself was written around 90-95 A.D. Search YouTube for Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman.
I would guess that if Jesus did exist (I have some doubt about that) he did not know how to write. This is consistent with the point of your video - God is imaginary.
LOL - Is there any other place saying He can write?
Your insights are clever and thought provoking; however, your approach to the bible is entirely flawed. You conclusions appear to be based or at least influenced by your own opinion that bible was not inspired by a higher power. You cannot prove who wrote these books and when. You cannot prove or disprove the existence of God historically. A better approach would be to read the text and see if what it's says is true. Can the bible answer your questions about life the universe etc?
@Dunlands I'm all for people reading the bible. If more people actually read the bible there would be less people who mistakenly think it contains any actual answers about life, the universe, etc.
@MystryBox Your comment was poorly conceived and a very weak attack. In a debate it is not rational to make broad sweeping statements that are only supported by your own internal turmoil and confusion. I don't know if you are exhausted from fighting or are simply arrogant and over confident.
At any case, it appears as though you've got a chip on your shoulder or are searching for answers in your own way. Are you hoping to lose a debate so you can have something to believe in?
@MystryBox Again, this may com as a shock to you. But your opinion does not constitute fact. Additionally your position is so hotly debated that is delusional to claim it as a substantiated fact and not your opinion.
@Dunlands it might be debated by believers, but not by any disinterested third parties. Anyone that thinks the bible has the answers to life the universe and everything simply needs to read it with a critical eye rather than the fawning gullibility of the believer who already presumes it a communication from a god. The same goes for other holy texts despite other believers making the same claims as you about those texts (which is another big hint for anyone actually paying attention).
@Dunlands to help you see my perspective on your rather absurd claims, imagine I tell you that the writings of L Ron Hubbard (or the Koran or other holy texts) gives all the answers to life the universe and everything and the debate over that suggests any statements to the contrary were mere opinion. Would you even bother to entertain such a claim for a moment?
Now if you wanted to make your unlikely claim and then prove it for us all that might be a way to proceed. But good luck with that.
Jude:1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jude:1:16 "These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage."Jude:1:4 For there are certain men.... who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men.... denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
@MystryBox For one who claims so much knowledge of the scriptures you missed an excellent opportunity to point out that this scripture is not referring to you ;)
P.S. Unless I'm mistaken in thinking that you don't claim to be a follower of Christ.
@Dunlands I don't claim extensive knowledge of the bible. I have more knowledge of it than the typical Christian but that's not saying much. Also I don't believe it nor see it as any sort of authority and that's my standard response when people start quoting it at me. I suppose I could quote some Mother Goose back at them but most people probably wouldn't get my point.
@MystryBox ...You would do well to consider Luke 16:19-31 which is NOT a parable for there are names given and where names are given, it is a literal, non-fiction event. That rich man is STILL waiting for a drop of water to cool his tongue. Furthermore, the more one knows, the more for which one is responsible and since you continue to hear warnings and ridicule them, your responsibility increases...therefore your eventual punishment correspondingly increases. Give it up man. Don't go to hell.
AND MystryBox.....The bible IS the book of Jesus. John chapter one makes that clear. As I said....you are responsible for much. Not only for yourself but all those whom you bring with you to hell. Their punishment will be lighter than your own. As dark and hopeless their punishment will continue without end, yet your punishment will be more painful. Seriously, do not go there. There is only one way to escape and that is to believe ON Jesus Christ. Romans 10:9,10. Why should you suffer hell?
@crazy650c you have to first convince me the threats of your religion are real before you can influence me with them. Are you scared of going to the Muslim Doom? Or of Zeus sending you to the underworld with Hades? No? Me either.
Come come now - lets not start calling names. You should know enough to know that Jude is warning Christians about threats coming from within the Church. Not external skeptics.
@Dunlands ....I only quoted scripture. How you apply it is up to you. BTW, Jude is warning Christians about make-believers in the church....wolves....apostates...anyone who seeks to destroy the faith of a non-make-believer.
2 Cor 11:3- But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.
2 Cor 11:3- But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.
This is a pretty lame video. I guess you don't know what faith is. Jesus had no reason to write a book. He "Came down from Heaven,and became Man" to suffer die and rise again for the sins of man not to write a book !! Jesus teachings have been written down by many who experienced his life first hand but,You seem to argue many times just by pushing your own disbeliefs. Those of us who have faith in something other than ourselves and our own thoughts believe OUR truth !
Well I have no reason to believe the men who make claims about having authority to speak for god. If god can't be bothered to actually tell me what he wants, I can't be bothered to believe he actually became a man. I refuse to believe some random MEN who make claims they cannot and do not support.
Can you be so nieve? Why do you think jesus hand selected 12 apostles to carry on his teaching think about if he wrote one book with his syaings in it. how far would it have made it through history? And another thing Jesus might have thrown the idea arround about writting his own book...but guess what....he didn't. he probably thought it was better to tell some one about it or show it to some that just writting it down. It's Just the same a word of mouth.
How do you know Jesus hand selected 12 apostles to carry his teachings? Because some unknown writers wrote decades later that he did in the same stories that clearly tell stories of legend rather than reality? And you believe them why? Someone is being naive here but it's not me.
Why would all of those people who knew Jesus give up their lives for a lie? It seems to me that most myths are made to benefit people in some way. Paul had to give up a lot to become a Christian. Not only that, he had formally pursicuted Christians then he was changed. Paul is no different then modern Christians that never knew Jesus as a man. It doesn't mean that what he said wasn't true.
First off the traditional stories about the disciples is not settled history. I personally don't believe that is how it happened.
But even so people give up their lives for lies all the time. Is Mormonism true because Joe Smith was persecuted and driven from state after state? At best all it means is they believed but that doesn't make what they believed true.
It was to the people it was written to. News flash. Communication has changed over the past 6,000 years. Shakespeare seems like jibberish when read in its original format too.
Yes, and those are very good reasons why it seems unlikely that an all powerful god with a message for you would choose such a lousy form of communication huh?
So, what are your qualifications, MystryBox, that anyone watching your video should listen to you? Your argument is completely devoid of any intellect. Several of history's great men or women never wrote their own book. So I guess they didn't exist either?
Seriously. What qualifications do you have to make such a claim? Have you ever actually read the Bible? Did someone who claimed to be a Christian hurt you at some point in life? What drives your agenda?
My qualifications are human with a brain. It doesn't take any more than that to make common sense observations like what my videos point out.
As for other historical figures... nobody is asking me to believe other historical figures were god with a message for me. If they were you can bet I'd hold such claims to a higher standard as well.
Also note that I was Christian for most of my life before I left the faith and had quite a lot of formal college level training. Such a waste of time.
So, you have no qualifications to back up your assertations. Someone with "quite a lot of formal college level training" wouldn't phrase it that way. I, on the other hand have a Bachelor's Degree in Religion from Wayland Baptist University, another Bachelor degree in Religious Studies (non-Christian) from The University of Texas Austin, and have studied the Hebrew and Greek writings which were translated into English.
Yes, you have more credentials on your religion that I did. Frankly I didn't make it very far before I realized it was all crap with no actual evidence and stopped wasting my time. But you've put so much more into it you have a lot to lose by waking up... so you probably won't wake up.
I'll end this debate with you here, because it is unfair from an intellectual perspective.
One last thing. You will certainly face your Creator who gave His only begotten Son for your sins. If you answer Him by saying your brain wouldn't let you believe, then you'll spend your eternity in the eternal torment of Hell. If you do not know everything there is to know, what if the proof is in the volume of knowledge you do not posess? Would you be willing to honestly seek it out?
As for your little rant on hell, I could use you in another video discussion... the guy there is telling me how god and the bible never say anyone is going to hell. You could impress him with all your degrees and then set him straight huh. Make sure he understands exactly what a monster it is he worships.
Wait! It was YOU. You were the one telling me nobody goes to hell. And now here you are telling me the opposite. You're quite the confused little sheep aren't you. Maybe you need to go study more.
Are you an idiot? I have never, and would never say that the Bible never says anyone is going to hell. That's not true and anyone who has read the Bible knows it. If you want to try and sound like an intellectual, at least don't make up stuff that I've said on another video.
Let me guess, you're a Saul Alinsky fan aren't you?
If you'll scroll your screen down a bit, you'll see that I said the Bible never "threatens" to send anyone to hell. There is a difference between something that is threatened and something that is guaranteed. If a person chooses to reject the truth which is evident (that the universe didn't happen all by itself, there is a God who created it, etc.), then they aren't threatened with hell. They will have chosen to go there.
" If a person chooses to reject the truth which is evident (that the universe didn't happen all by itself, there is a God who created it,"
Okay. I accept the truth. God created the universe. Now I don't have to go to hell.....great!
BTW, PraiseGod, I'm not opposed to the idea that God or some powerful being created the universe. That seems reasonable. However, the claim that all people are headed for hell who reject Jesus is absurd.
God made it simple. Maybe too simple for someone who things he's as smart as you do. God made us in His image. We sin and our sin leads to death, both spiritual and physical. God LOVES us so much that He gave us the only way to Heaven that would satisfy His perfect Justice. That was His very own Son, Jesus. Jesus paid the price for you. It's a gift. Choose to accept it or reject it. I'd prefer you accept, but God is not going to force it upon you.
Then the Reformation doctrine must be a heresy, as it states that God only elected certain individuals from before creation. How do I know that I'm one of them? God only made salvation available to a few. What kind of love is that?
You say a lot about God this and God that... but the fact is god is not here telling us anything. Jesus didn't even write anything as this video points out. When you talk about what god wants what you're doing is assuming that things MEN have said about god are accurate. It's MEN I'm questioning not god. I can't question god because god says nothing to us. All we have are men making claims that have no good evidence to be believed. And you can bet I question those men.
Wow, I wish you could give me fifty thumbs down for something I didn't even say too! Why stop at fifty though? If you're going to be a bigot against Christian's, go for 100 or 1,000! Check your facts.
I gave you fifty thumbs down for this despicable statement.
"If you answer Him by saying your brain wouldn't let you believe, then you'll spend your eternity in the eternal torment of Hell."
If our reason determines that the Bible is untrustworthy, noone should be condemned for that. God could have made the Bible free from error and contradiction and perfectly preserved, but he didn't. Why not? To deceive the non-elect (ie. the non-creduous)?
There is not a threat in the Bible, MystryBox. God never threatens to send anyone to Hell, nor does a single other writer in scripture.
Hell is the rightful, final destination of all men and women who have rebelled (sinned) against God.
There is an offer of salvation from Hell, and clear instructions on how to receive that salvation, but Jesus didn't threaten anyone, the Apostles didn't threaten anyone, and God does not threaten anyone with Hell.
You're right, god doesn't threaten anyone with hell. God doesn't say anything. We don't have anything from god, we have a bunch of writings and statements from men. And some of these men do make claims about people going to hell. I hear it on a daily basis.
The Bible is 66 books written by 40 different people over a period of at least 1600 years. Most of whom would never know of the others existence. Yet this "book of books" tells a consistent story from cover to cover. If you do not see God's hand in that, then I can't help you.
You will face God on judgement day. That's not a threat, that's a fact. So will every other human being who has ever lived. Your disbelief in God, Heaven or Hell does not make them any less real.
just give up....ask questions when you obviously dont read the bible...the bible is the book of truth and He wouldnt allow anything false to be writtin in the bible...and the people who wrote the books were not just ordinary men they were followers of christ and were guided by the holy spirit when writing
The bible is just a book and has many flaws (which you'd know if you actually studied the issue). Here's a clue for you: gods make universes, men make books. If you follow a book you'll find men not god.
Jesus could arguably have chosen not to write himself because it would have been below his stature- the president's speeches are seldom written by the president. In that case, he would certainly have appointed a scribe.
But why on earth would this scribe wait a whopping thirty years before putting anything on paper? If I were there, living beside the man I believed to be God, I wouldn't know how fast to take the papyrus roll and record it for all to read.
The whole idea that we're supposed to believe a written record is absurd. There's nothing unique about a bunch of written claim to distinguish them from the many other similar documents that men have written. There just no way that if a god exists he would use such a lousy method of communication.
The Bible is all about Jesus from the first page to the last! The Gospels of John was written of an eyewitness of the live, death, resurrection and doctrine of Christ!
John seas: That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard.
yeah, and in 2nd Peter it says: "We were eyewitnesses of his grandeur" and "we were with him on the holy mount". Yet this book is deemed to be a late forgery. It relies heavily on borrowed phrases from the book of Jude, written in the second century.
Can it be any clearer than this? The question is not dose God exist and is the Bible true! The problem lies somewhere else! The heart of mean is evil and corrupted by sin and that is the very reason why people feel uncomfortable with the thought of a Holly and Righteous God who will judge them according to their deeds!
Thats where the real problem lies. Soon you will have to talk to the man personally and give an account of what you have done in this live and I promise you it wont be fun.
Thats where the real problem lies. Soon you will have to talk to the man (Jesus) personally and give an account of what you have done in this live and I promise you it wont be fun.
Go on dreaming of a way to silence you conscience and to justify your lifestyle, the last person you full will be yourself!
Heres the time line originally 80 books cut down to 66 in 1855. 995 AD: Anglo-Saxon Translations of The New Testament Produced- 1455 AD: Gutenberg Invents the Printing Press; . The First Book Ever Printed is Gutenberg's Bible in Latin.-
1539 AD: The "Great Bible" Printed; The First English Language Bible for Public Use. 2002 AD: The English Standard Version (ESV) - 1400 bc The 10 commandments Moses to 2002 ESV thats more than 3400 years with 30 or more "translations" sounds like a scam
Americans now have a new version of this "bible" it is the I.R.S .Tax code. God is the monetary system and Jesus is capitalism. Like previous versions of the bible the tax code is equally difficult to understand in our time as the bible was in the times they were published.
None of it was ever writen it was design. The King James version is so garbled with crap and was probably writen as a political tool more than anything. These versions are not a translation or interpretation of anything, just scary little stories.
The book of Yeshua (Jesus) was never written because there was no such person. None of these people from THE MODERN VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE ever existed. These are just stupid little stories disigned to control a population through fear .
that is a very interesting question, I love it - I think about all the famous people that had a great calling on their life and did their calling, but never wrote about it - at first I think, that it is sad that they never cared to share... cause I would have loved to listen or read there truths later.... like Billy Gram and Kenneth Copland and I know that if these people could write something about their lives they would always relate it to Jesus -
- so about Jesus... I love the fact that he did the great calling that he had - from the looks of it - he was never called to write... sniff sniff. Maybe if he was called to write stuff he would have a hard time now that I think about it...
cause in the bible it says that he said "i will only say and do what I hear my father say and do"... so it almost looks like people should blame God for not writing something down...hmm wait if Jesus copied God all the time - do you remember when Jesus wrote in the sand and no one knew what he was writing...it was like he started something there and then stopped...huh, intersting.... well - there is one thing that I am sure of He (God Himself) wrote in....
he wrote a covenant in his own blood..... ahhhh - that gets me every time. He loved me enough to die - to me thats better than writing a book - but he even went to greater lengths for me - He had other people called to write about Him. you know if I were Gods son I wouldn't want to try and write a book after i was called to die...man, after my death and reserection... I would want a bubble bath!
Why is there no book of abraham? No book of noah? No book of moses, no book of adam and eve, no book of israel? Look, I just used an argument you people love to use, on yourselves!
No, that's not a good counter argument. For Christians claim that Jesus was the be-all and end-all (the "alpha and omega") to all time, people, places and things. They claim that literally EVERYTHING in the Hebrew Bible somehow predicted or 'foreshadowed' Jesus. So according to Christian belief Noah, Abraham, were only minor figures. so writing their own book would not be an issue. For Jesus, to have come and gone and not left so much as a jot or a tittle in writing is a glaring flaw.
Wow...more people who don't know their bibles and don't want to look for all the facts before they make a stupid video like this. Jesus was here to preach the gospel not to write an autobiography...the apostles of jesus were inspired by what the holy spirit told them and hence were the mouthpieces for god. Jesus came to die on the cross for us because he was the perfect sacrifice. His job was not suppose to write about himself
If Jesus just came to die, why bother with his 3 year/month ministry? Why not just come down from heaven and get it over with. His sinless life didn't really make much difference, he was already sinless. His example is not particularly helpful, it just caused the church confusion since he preaches different theology than Paul.
Many missing books, Wars of the Lord.(Num 21:14) Acts of Salomon(1st Kings 11:41). Samual the seer(1st Chor 29:29) The list goes on. People needed to have the feeling that there was something more to life, so the powerful realized this was a Great tool for mass Control. Note that Horus lived 3000yrs before JC and their lives are the same. Yeah so the longest runnong scam realized. Some loose their faith because they were shown to little, others loose it because they were shown to much.
Why would Jesus have to write something? His disciples were with Him to teach the stories of Jesus to people later on. I guess you just want to start arguments or you are just trying to start trouble. Maybe you just want to act like you are smarter than God? Actually, it just looks like you want to teach your own agenda and to discredit Christianity.
Many people pick on Christianity, but very few pick on Islam.
even if he did write something it wouldn't be mentioned in the bible. look at another which was left out: Thomas. This deals only with Jesus's teachings, not with his life (the message i suspect Jesus wanted to pass on)
This doesn't fit the Christian religion as his teachings were, help others, share, don't hold grudges, take advantage etc, things no successful person wants to hear as they are normally guilty of such 'sins'. I ask Christians, can Jesus's teachings be so easily disregarded?
You're hilarious. If Jesus would have written something it wouldn't have been in the bible. That's what you just said. And WHO exactly would make that decision? And then why would you want to follow a religion based on a book that was put together by MEN?
i never said i am religious... in fact i am atheist who knows a little about the bible. i have looked into the Christian religion and it seems to focus only on jesus's life, and what he did, not what he was trying to teach, hence Thomas was left out.
eg Jesus said "a camel has more of a chance of passing through the eye of a needle then a rich man has of finding the kingdom of heaven"
So, why do we still have rich Christians? because Christianity never focused on what Jesus actually said.
I know the type--you're as silly as the Christians but in a different way. You take an obviously legendary story and remove all the supernatural aspects so you can then believe it. It somehow never occurs to you that the story isn't reasonable or reliable and you can't just pick and choose parts that you want to believe and expect to get anything remotely close to the truth.
just to make you aware, i didn't become an atheist because of this, i became it because i couldn't see any religion but Hinduism and Buddhism solving the morality dilemma. (and i have other issues with these religions)
I have never been a Christian i switched to atheism from a new age religion, and i don't have a problem with Jesus living, i just believe he was a perhaps a bit of a nut case. It is always the atheists which converted from Christianity which argue he could not have existed.
as i'm discussing on another video with you, there is evidence that Jesus lived in India, i haven't gone into detail. Things such as Indian court record (originals not copies) exist, and many Indian documents.
Now i don't say i believe the story in the bible, i believe someone with that name who probably travelled around existed, and some of the stories may have a grain of truth in them.
It just amuses me how Thomas got left out when all that speaks about is Jesus's teachings ie. how to be good
I have no interested in a supposed Jesus in India. That's not the Jesus people who believe in the bible think existed, so it's irrelevant unless you're into that sort of historical "might be" thing which I'm not.
I have responded to this in the other video, as you raised the same point there. but yes, the argument has gone off topic.
It's surprising to me though that you express your opinion above as such, as most atheists will look into the evidence for things like this which can disprove ideas of mainstream religions, it's a powerful argument for people who are actually questioning their faith, and normally interesting still to those who have questioned theirs.
That's just the point, it doesn't disprove anything. Also believing Christians won't care and for doubters there are much better arguments (in my opinion). For example, I think the story of the Buddhist disciple that walks on water and sinks when losing faith just like peter makes a better point because it doesn't require believing that Jesus lived in India (which even I find hard to swallow and I'm an atheist!).
2 Peter 1:20-21: "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (KJV)"
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. (KJV)"
Ah, but you my friend stand corrected. If you look in the Bible, it says Jesus/God does tell man what to write. I forget what verse it was and I don't have a Bible by me right now since I am in a hurry. But I do believe it was somewhere in the book of Exodus.
Ah, but why dwell on a book when you could be going with the now, or what God/Jesus is actually doing in the world right now. You do know, that the Bible is basically a reference book that simply tells the stories of ancient times, and lays down the rules. Nothing more. It's almost exactly like the American Constitution except with added in stories. What I'm saying is that the Bible has nothing to do with what Jesus/God is doing now and that you're statements about the Bible have no meaning.
Good video! It is interesting to me to read the comments below. In a sense, you are completely on target.
There was a movement by one historical figure who had wanted to canonize strictly New Testament writings. A little later, the Jesus movement started to want both the new testament thought in combination with the Old testament thought. Most people are oblivious to ghat idea whereas it was a very strong conviction in 1st century AD.
Actully wouldn't the book of the Bible be Faith? If Jesus were trying to do this than wouldn't he write a book called Faith telling you to put your faith in God? Like a 11th commandment? Otherwise I like your videos
The whole Bible was written by God. It was God inspired. YOu could even argue that its like a Vice President dictating a letter to a secretary. . . . .
No, it was written by men. You believe the men were inspired of god but there is no good reason to believe that. In the end you have faith in men, not in god.
The Bible is an incredible book that when you start to read it, unfolds in amazing truths supported throughout the book. The Bible has an incredible Symmetry between the Old Testiment and the New! It amazes me that so many "human" secretaries were involved over thousands of years yet in never contridicts itself! Further it has withstood the time, the Bible is the most popular book in the history of the World!
I suspect that you haven't really read it critically. But regardless I've read it and studied it and find it unbelievable, contradictory, and clearly the work of primitive men. I believe my own opinion over yours.
It's impossible to understand the scripture's deeper meanings of truth without the direction and aid of discernment of the Holy Spirit, whom you have never known.
And does the "holy spirit" tell you obvious myths like talking snakes and the sun stopping in the sky aren't myths? Maybe you should have those voices in your head checked.
The voice in my head belongs to the Master you attempt to refute. The voice in your head belongs to the demon which inhabits you. Only Christ has the authority to rid you from it.
any book that was compiled based on compromised election through open forum cant be viewed as a complete work, they admit they left out tons of books stories and that even the old testament has been changed from what it was at jesus' time, they can say its a holy book and divinely inspired truths but ill never believe in it ever again, especially since after they elected what books to put in it they still couldnt agree on what retelling was proper and such have many different versions after that
the gospel of jesus apparently was created, though downplayed by the catholic church. rumours of the gospel of jesus still persist, like the books that weren't canonised... mary magdalene, judas, etc...
of course jesus never intended to create a 'religion', though what jesus said was written within a lifetime not 'centuries after'. if i remember right, john for example wrote his while in prison (50 years later which causes problems of complete accuracy, but does show some accuracy and truth...)
The video says decades after his death, not centuries.
Why did "john" have to write anything? Why do we have to take the word of some anonymous author writing decades after the supposed events about highly unlikely supernatural events? If god is becoming a man and coming to earth and breaking the laws of nature to perform miracles why didn't he do something still observable today?
as for why no jesus book, the counter-argument would be that jesus didn't come to prove himself, he came to do something not write it down... i agree this argument does suggest that the bible is not 100% god's word though, just people wanting to spread round what happened, which is subject to the usual 'chinese whispers' effect.
and if god isn't coming to prove himself, then he has no need to perform those lasting miracles (tho he may still be doing that today)
That's fine if god wants to just do things--obviously he can do what he wants. But he couldn't expect anyone to believe. The key aspect of Christianity is you have to believe, yet there is no good reason to believe. Perhaps god only wants the gullible to go to heaven?
It is this theory that has the gaping hole, or flaw: there IS a "book of Jesus" as you put it. It is called the Lamb's Book of Life. I know this b/c thanks be to God, my name is in it. Yours can be too MystryBox, if you would humbled yourself before God, repent of your sins & place your faith in Jesus Christ; & don't worry - either way you will get to know of it. I hope it is with joy rather than weeping & gnashing of teeth. Until then I suggest you READ that Bible.
And I've read the bible, my recommendation is YOU actually read the bible and THINK about it rather than merely believe it for cultural and emotional reasons.
When I say "READ that Bible" I mean it in the sense of the way any real Christian does - you NEVER finish. You do not just read it once through (which I highly doubt anyway) & bingo, that's it you know it; not at all!
Salvation through faith in Christ is real & vital - I'm afraid it doesn't fit into your pat psychological theory. Why don't you see for yourself MystryBox? Then you will not have to base your views on mere speculation but you will rest in the assurance of truth!
I was a Christian for most of my life and beyond mere "Sunday School" have many years of classes dedicated to the study of scripture. I've not only read the bible I've studied it as a Christian.
But more than that I've also seen the other side. I've THOUGHT about the bible (which Christians never do). And it's flatly unbelievable.
What is impossible (or ridiculous, you choose which) is believing mythical stories like donkeys and snakes talking, the sun stopping in the sky, people coming from mud and ribs, etc. That's the sort of stories I can't force myself to believe because I have a brain and senses and can observe they are most likely MYTHS no different than a million other silly myths written long ago. What's your excuse for believing such tripe?
I am saved from the consequences of my sins by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ, born again to life eternal - that's it! All else is an appendage to that fact. I noticed when you claimed that you were a Christian (I have no doubt you once thought you were) you said nothing of salvation.
"most likely" - i.e you don't know: truth is not determined by majority opinion. It either is or isn't - you have but doubt.
To answer yours of course I've considered if I'm wrong but I don't lose much sleep over it. The fact is I'm not wrong--religions in general and yours in particular have no good support and so have no basis to be believed. It's not so much that I think they are wrong, it's that they have not shown they are right. Whether I'm wrong or not doesn't change that so is largely irrelevant.
"...if I'm wrong but I don't lose much sleep over it."
"The fact is I'm not wrong"
"Whether I'm wrong or not doesn't change that so is largely irrelevant."
??? (completely self-contradictory reasoning).
I did answer your question, but your non-comprehension of it confirms that you were never really a Christian, it was just a religion to you, you never had a relationship with Him. You still can have a saving relationship with Jesus - trust in Him!
I might be wrong but there are thousands of religions out there that might be true and I don't lose any sleep over it. Just as you don't lose any sleep over the fact you might be wrong. And the other point is that rationally I hardly need to worry about believing a religion that hasn't shown itself to be true (and contains many obvious myths) like Christianity.
I'm not interested in relationships with invisible friends. It's a thing called sanity--look into it. Heh.
There's another book missing in the Bible, equally important (though if the Book of Jesus existed, maybe it would be in there): The holy inspired text that tells us which other texts are also holy and inspired. "And Jesus spake unto them, saying 'The Gospel of Matthew thou shalt first include, but the not Gospel of Thomas, for that one is not holy...'" Whether that text was holy could still be questioned, but at least the 4th century problem of which texts to include would have be much reduced.
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@trondreitan yet another problem with "holy texts."
MystryBox 2 weeks ago
Because he wants us to make our own decisions and we're not robots. He hasn't actually "commanded" us to do anything for thousands of years. There are many prophecies in the old testament that came true hundreds of years later- the most important being Jesus himself. Explain that? Explain the Ark of the Covenant. Explain the unique landforms in the Grand Canyon that point to an obvious great flood. Explain how carbon fossils and bones could have survived for MILLIONS of years w/out disintegratin
wb5704 1 month ago
@wb5704 explain Jesus? Did you even watch the video? And if you think the grand canyon came from a great flood you're at odds with the experts who actually have a clue what they're talking about.
MystryBox 1 month ago 2
@wb5704 Please tell and show me which prophecies came true from the book that was not self fullfilling.
The one you mention of Jesus being a prophecy.Well The name was to be Immanuel,not Jesus for one.
Jesus is not his real name of the man explained in your bibles either,for two.
The prophecy you're trying to match Jesus to is of a whole other story of a whole other situation,for three.
Please tell,because I'd like to know which one came true and was not made up and believed by lazy fools.
chucka59 1 month ago
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wb5704 1 month ago
The Book of Logic.
Ledwix 3 months ago
@Ledwix ha, good one!
MystryBox 3 months ago
Good points! I never thought of that before. But then again, I don't think about Jesus very much in my atheist life. You are interesting to watch and listen to! A nice discovery on Youtube for a Saturday afternoon. Best wishes.
awreslr2 1 year ago
Jesus was a carpenter. His education did not include knowing how to read and write.
WarmWeatherGuy 1 year ago
@WarmWeatherGuy I love this excuse. God doesn't know how to write. That's a good one.
And there is a bible verse where Jesus writes with a stick on the ground, so you're wrong even assuming (as I do) that Jesus was just a man.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox If you are referring to John 8:6-8 this could be that Jesus was PRETENDING to write in the ground. This is the only thing that makes sense. The alternative (that God is imaginary) is just crazy.
I posted a message on another related video recommending this one.
/watch?v=V94UsBoifqA
YouTuber edwardtart
Edward Tarte--What Jesus Could Have Done
June 29, 2009
I wanted him to see this video.
WarmWeatherGuy 1 year ago
@WarmWeatherGuy I'm not sure what point you're making and I don't really care. The point I was making is the bible suggests Jesus could write. If Jesus was god and could do miracles and whatnot it's laughable to suggest he couldn't write. Or is your all knowing god illiterate? Even if your god was illiterate he could've had a scribe dictate. And this is already way to much on a really stupid point.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox My bad. I forgot about Poe's law. I am not a religious nut. I am just making fun of them by using their logic. Sorry man.
WarmWeatherGuy 1 year ago
@WarmWeatherGuy Poe's law indeed. If you go back far enough in the comments for this video you'll find Christians that have suggested Jesus was a carpenter that couldn't write.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox I just found out that the part of the Bible that you mentioned (where Jesus is writing in the sand) was added to the Bible many centuries after the original book of John, which itself was written around 90-95 A.D. Search YouTube for Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman.
I would guess that if Jesus did exist (I have some doubt about that) he did not know how to write. This is consistent with the point of your video - God is imaginary.
LOL - Is there any other place saying He can write?
WarmWeatherGuy 1 year ago
@WarmWeatherGuy the writing on the ground with a stick is the only reference I'm aware of in the bible that suggests Jesus could write.
MystryBox 1 year ago
MystryBox,
Your insights are clever and thought provoking; however, your approach to the bible is entirely flawed. You conclusions appear to be based or at least influenced by your own opinion that bible was not inspired by a higher power. You cannot prove who wrote these books and when. You cannot prove or disprove the existence of God historically. A better approach would be to read the text and see if what it's says is true. Can the bible answer your questions about life the universe etc?
Dunlands 1 year ago
@Dunlands I'm all for people reading the bible. If more people actually read the bible there would be less people who mistakenly think it contains any actual answers about life, the universe, etc.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox Your comment was poorly conceived and a very weak attack. In a debate it is not rational to make broad sweeping statements that are only supported by your own internal turmoil and confusion. I don't know if you are exhausted from fighting or are simply arrogant and over confident.
At any case, it appears as though you've got a chip on your shoulder or are searching for answers in your own way. Are you hoping to lose a debate so you can have something to believe in?
Cheers!
Dunlands 1 year ago
@Dunlands my comment was meant as a statement of fact. If you have a different view, that's fine too.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox Again, this may com as a shock to you. But your opinion does not constitute fact. Additionally your position is so hotly debated that is delusional to claim it as a substantiated fact and not your opinion.
Dunlands 1 year ago
@Dunlands it might be debated by believers, but not by any disinterested third parties. Anyone that thinks the bible has the answers to life the universe and everything simply needs to read it with a critical eye rather than the fawning gullibility of the believer who already presumes it a communication from a god. The same goes for other holy texts despite other believers making the same claims as you about those texts (which is another big hint for anyone actually paying attention).
MystryBox 1 year ago
@Dunlands to help you see my perspective on your rather absurd claims, imagine I tell you that the writings of L Ron Hubbard (or the Koran or other holy texts) gives all the answers to life the universe and everything and the debate over that suggests any statements to the contrary were mere opinion. Would you even bother to entertain such a claim for a moment?
Now if you wanted to make your unlikely claim and then prove it for us all that might be a way to proceed. But good luck with that.
MystryBox 1 year ago
Jude:1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jude:1:16 "These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage."Jude:1:4 For there are certain men.... who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men.... denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
crazy650c 1 year ago
@crazy650c and why do I care what "Jude" says?
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox For one who claims so much knowledge of the scriptures you missed an excellent opportunity to point out that this scripture is not referring to you ;)
P.S. Unless I'm mistaken in thinking that you don't claim to be a follower of Christ.
Dunlands 1 year ago
@Dunlands I don't claim extensive knowledge of the bible. I have more knowledge of it than the typical Christian but that's not saying much. Also I don't believe it nor see it as any sort of authority and that's my standard response when people start quoting it at me. I suppose I could quote some Mother Goose back at them but most people probably wouldn't get my point.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox ...You would do well to consider Luke 16:19-31 which is NOT a parable for there are names given and where names are given, it is a literal, non-fiction event. That rich man is STILL waiting for a drop of water to cool his tongue. Furthermore, the more one knows, the more for which one is responsible and since you continue to hear warnings and ridicule them, your responsibility increases...therefore your eventual punishment correspondingly increases. Give it up man. Don't go to hell.
crazy650c 1 year ago
AND MystryBox.....The bible IS the book of Jesus. John chapter one makes that clear. As I said....you are responsible for much. Not only for yourself but all those whom you bring with you to hell. Their punishment will be lighter than your own. As dark and hopeless their punishment will continue without end, yet your punishment will be more painful. Seriously, do not go there. There is only one way to escape and that is to believe ON Jesus Christ. Romans 10:9,10. Why should you suffer hell?
crazy650c 1 year ago
@crazy650c you have to first convince me the threats of your religion are real before you can influence me with them. Are you scared of going to the Muslim Doom? Or of Zeus sending you to the underworld with Hades? No? Me either.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@crazy650c I don't know about the fantasy land where you live, but here in the world where I live characters in fictional stories usually have names.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@crazy650c
Come come now - lets not start calling names. You should know enough to know that Jude is warning Christians about threats coming from within the Church. Not external skeptics.
Dunlands 1 year ago
@Dunlands ....I only quoted scripture. How you apply it is up to you. BTW, Jude is warning Christians about make-believers in the church....wolves....apostates...anyone who seeks to destroy the faith of a non-make-believer.
crazy650c 1 year ago
How you gonna tell someone how to write their book?
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2 Cor 11:3- But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.
jcolemansleeps 1 year ago
2 Cor 11:3- But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.
jcolemansleeps 1 year ago
This is a pretty lame video. I guess you don't know what faith is. Jesus had no reason to write a book. He "Came down from Heaven,and became Man" to suffer die and rise again for the sins of man not to write a book !! Jesus teachings have been written down by many who experienced his life first hand but,You seem to argue many times just by pushing your own disbeliefs. Those of us who have faith in something other than ourselves and our own thoughts believe OUR truth !
iamantiabortion 1 year ago
Well I have no reason to believe the men who make claims about having authority to speak for god. If god can't be bothered to actually tell me what he wants, I can't be bothered to believe he actually became a man. I refuse to believe some random MEN who make claims they cannot and do not support.
MystryBox 1 year ago
Oh well !! I guess there is no point in helping you to see the truth ! God help you at your judgement !
iamantiabortion 1 year ago
It would help if you actually had any good reason or evidence to support your position. But you don't, so why would anyone listen to you?
MystryBox 1 year ago
You've proven NOTHING !
Like you say ......DO SOME RESEARCH !
Enjoy your current life because it's the only one you will get but, I will enjoy my next life with God !
iamantiabortion 1 year ago
the ____ according to ______
you're really just playing semantics man
19fas88 1 year ago
Hey I guessed right! (but then I'm not a Christian)
What do I win?
Theophage 2 years ago
Sorry, prize pool has already been exhausted. You'll just have to be satisfied with the knowledge you have a keen wit.
MystryBox 2 years ago
Can you be so nieve? Why do you think jesus hand selected 12 apostles to carry on his teaching think about if he wrote one book with his syaings in it. how far would it have made it through history? And another thing Jesus might have thrown the idea arround about writting his own book...but guess what....he didn't. he probably thought it was better to tell some one about it or show it to some that just writting it down. It's Just the same a word of mouth.
jsmccarty82 2 years ago
How do you know Jesus hand selected 12 apostles to carry his teachings? Because some unknown writers wrote decades later that he did in the same stories that clearly tell stories of legend rather than reality? And you believe them why? Someone is being naive here but it's not me.
MystryBox 2 years ago
Why would all of those people who knew Jesus give up their lives for a lie? It seems to me that most myths are made to benefit people in some way. Paul had to give up a lot to become a Christian. Not only that, he had formally pursicuted Christians then he was changed. Paul is no different then modern Christians that never knew Jesus as a man. It doesn't mean that what he said wasn't true.
red35rob 2 years ago
First off the traditional stories about the disciples is not settled history. I personally don't believe that is how it happened.
But even so people give up their lives for lies all the time. Is Mormonism true because Joe Smith was persecuted and driven from state after state? At best all it means is they believed but that doesn't make what they believed true.
MystryBox 2 years ago
It was to the people it was written to. News flash. Communication has changed over the past 6,000 years. Shakespeare seems like jibberish when read in its original format too.
PraiseGod365 2 years ago
Yes, and those are very good reasons why it seems unlikely that an all powerful god with a message for you would choose such a lousy form of communication huh?
MystryBox 2 years ago
So, what are your qualifications, MystryBox, that anyone watching your video should listen to you? Your argument is completely devoid of any intellect. Several of history's great men or women never wrote their own book. So I guess they didn't exist either?
Seriously. What qualifications do you have to make such a claim? Have you ever actually read the Bible? Did someone who claimed to be a Christian hurt you at some point in life? What drives your agenda?
PraiseGod365 2 years ago
My qualifications are human with a brain. It doesn't take any more than that to make common sense observations like what my videos point out.
As for other historical figures... nobody is asking me to believe other historical figures were god with a message for me. If they were you can bet I'd hold such claims to a higher standard as well.
Also note that I was Christian for most of my life before I left the faith and had quite a lot of formal college level training. Such a waste of time.
MystryBox 2 years ago
So, you have no qualifications to back up your assertations. Someone with "quite a lot of formal college level training" wouldn't phrase it that way. I, on the other hand have a Bachelor's Degree in Religion from Wayland Baptist University, another Bachelor degree in Religious Studies (non-Christian) from The University of Texas Austin, and have studied the Hebrew and Greek writings which were translated into English.
PraiseGod365 2 years ago
Yes, you have more credentials on your religion that I did. Frankly I didn't make it very far before I realized it was all crap with no actual evidence and stopped wasting my time. But you've put so much more into it you have a lot to lose by waking up... so you probably won't wake up.
MystryBox 2 years ago
I'll end this debate with you here, because it is unfair from an intellectual perspective.
One last thing. You will certainly face your Creator who gave His only begotten Son for your sins. If you answer Him by saying your brain wouldn't let you believe, then you'll spend your eternity in the eternal torment of Hell. If you do not know everything there is to know, what if the proof is in the volume of knowledge you do not posess? Would you be willing to honestly seek it out?
PraiseGod365 2 years ago
You're hilarious. You could have 5 PhD's in mythology and they won't make the mythology true. But run along, nothing to debate here huh? Heh.
MystryBox 2 years ago
All these 'debates' always seem to end in threats don't they? It's like these people were made with a cookie cutter.
DarkSanctuaryBBS 1 year ago
As for your little rant on hell, I could use you in another video discussion... the guy there is telling me how god and the bible never say anyone is going to hell. You could impress him with all your degrees and then set him straight huh. Make sure he understands exactly what a monster it is he worships.
MystryBox 2 years ago
Wait! It was YOU. You were the one telling me nobody goes to hell. And now here you are telling me the opposite. You're quite the confused little sheep aren't you. Maybe you need to go study more.
MystryBox 2 years ago
Is this guy for real? Isn't that how Christians often are? They argue from whichever perspective bolsters their claim.
meangreen4321 2 years ago
Are you an idiot? I have never, and would never say that the Bible never says anyone is going to hell. That's not true and anyone who has read the Bible knows it. If you want to try and sound like an intellectual, at least don't make up stuff that I've said on another video.
Let me guess, you're a Saul Alinsky fan aren't you?
PraiseGod365 2 years ago
If you'll scroll your screen down a bit, you'll see that I said the Bible never "threatens" to send anyone to hell. There is a difference between something that is threatened and something that is guaranteed. If a person chooses to reject the truth which is evident (that the universe didn't happen all by itself, there is a God who created it, etc.), then they aren't threatened with hell. They will have chosen to go there.
PraiseGod365 2 years ago
" If a person chooses to reject the truth which is evident (that the universe didn't happen all by itself, there is a God who created it,"
Okay. I accept the truth. God created the universe. Now I don't have to go to hell.....great!
BTW, PraiseGod, I'm not opposed to the idea that God or some powerful being created the universe. That seems reasonable. However, the claim that all people are headed for hell who reject Jesus is absurd.
meangreen4321 2 years ago
This is your defense? Minor semantics? Stop wasting my time.
MystryBox 2 years ago
God made it simple. Maybe too simple for someone who things he's as smart as you do. God made us in His image. We sin and our sin leads to death, both spiritual and physical. God LOVES us so much that He gave us the only way to Heaven that would satisfy His perfect Justice. That was His very own Son, Jesus. Jesus paid the price for you. It's a gift. Choose to accept it or reject it. I'd prefer you accept, but God is not going to force it upon you.
PraiseGod365 2 years ago
Then the Reformation doctrine must be a heresy, as it states that God only elected certain individuals from before creation. How do I know that I'm one of them? God only made salvation available to a few. What kind of love is that?
meangreen4321 2 years ago
You say a lot about God this and God that... but the fact is god is not here telling us anything. Jesus didn't even write anything as this video points out. When you talk about what god wants what you're doing is assuming that things MEN have said about god are accurate. It's MEN I'm questioning not god. I can't question god because god says nothing to us. All we have are men making claims that have no good evidence to be believed. And you can bet I question those men.
MystryBox 2 years ago
What a guy
Sludgekill99 2 years ago
I'd give you fifty thumbs down if I could.
meangreen4321 2 years ago
Wow, I wish you could give me fifty thumbs down for something I didn't even say too! Why stop at fifty though? If you're going to be a bigot against Christian's, go for 100 or 1,000! Check your facts.
PraiseGod365 2 years ago
I gave you fifty thumbs down for this despicable statement.
"If you answer Him by saying your brain wouldn't let you believe, then you'll spend your eternity in the eternal torment of Hell."
If our reason determines that the Bible is untrustworthy, noone should be condemned for that. God could have made the Bible free from error and contradiction and perfectly preserved, but he didn't. Why not? To deceive the non-elect (ie. the non-creduous)?
meangreen4321 2 years ago
There is not a threat in the Bible, MystryBox. God never threatens to send anyone to Hell, nor does a single other writer in scripture.
Hell is the rightful, final destination of all men and women who have rebelled (sinned) against God.
There is an offer of salvation from Hell, and clear instructions on how to receive that salvation, but Jesus didn't threaten anyone, the Apostles didn't threaten anyone, and God does not threaten anyone with Hell.
PraiseGod365 2 years ago
You're right, god doesn't threaten anyone with hell. God doesn't say anything. We don't have anything from god, we have a bunch of writings and statements from men. And some of these men do make claims about people going to hell. I hear it on a daily basis.
MystryBox 2 years ago
The Bible is 66 books written by 40 different people over a period of at least 1600 years. Most of whom would never know of the others existence. Yet this "book of books" tells a consistent story from cover to cover. If you do not see God's hand in that, then I can't help you.
You will face God on judgement day. That's not a threat, that's a fact. So will every other human being who has ever lived. Your disbelief in God, Heaven or Hell does not make them any less real.
PraiseGod365 2 years ago
You have a very different view of the bible than I do.
And if there is a god who created me, knows me, and cares about me, I'm not worried about judgment from such a being.
MystryBox 2 years ago
How about Mark 16:16? "Whoever believes will be saved...but whoever does not believe will be condemned." In other words, "believe... or else".
meangreen4321 2 years ago
just give up....ask questions when you obviously dont read the bible...the bible is the book of truth and He wouldnt allow anything false to be writtin in the bible...and the people who wrote the books were not just ordinary men they were followers of christ and were guided by the holy spirit when writing
NaPpYrOoTeD317 2 years ago
The bible is just a book and has many flaws (which you'd know if you actually studied the issue). Here's a clue for you: gods make universes, men make books. If you follow a book you'll find men not god.
MystryBox 2 years ago
Jesus could arguably have chosen not to write himself because it would have been below his stature- the president's speeches are seldom written by the president. In that case, he would certainly have appointed a scribe.
But why on earth would this scribe wait a whopping thirty years before putting anything on paper? If I were there, living beside the man I believed to be God, I wouldn't know how fast to take the papyrus roll and record it for all to read.
spogelse 2 years ago
The whole idea that we're supposed to believe a written record is absurd. There's nothing unique about a bunch of written claim to distinguish them from the many other similar documents that men have written. There just no way that if a god exists he would use such a lousy method of communication.
MystryBox 2 years ago
The Bible is all about Jesus from the first page to the last! The Gospels of John was written of an eyewitness of the live, death, resurrection and doctrine of Christ!
John seas: That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard.
WolfgangHermann 2 years ago
The bible might be about Jesus in places, but it's not his account.
MystryBox 2 years ago
yeah, and in 2nd Peter it says: "We were eyewitnesses of his grandeur" and "we were with him on the holy mount". Yet this book is deemed to be a late forgery. It relies heavily on borrowed phrases from the book of Jude, written in the second century.
meangreen4321 2 years ago
Can it be any clearer than this? The question is not dose God exist and is the Bible true! The problem lies somewhere else! The heart of mean is evil and corrupted by sin and that is the very reason why people feel uncomfortable with the thought of a Holly and Righteous God who will judge them according to their deeds!
Thats where the real problem lies. Soon you will have to talk to the man personally and give an account of what you have done in this live and I promise you it wont be fun.
WolfgangHermann 2 years ago
Thats where the real problem lies. Soon you will have to talk to the man (Jesus) personally and give an account of what you have done in this live and I promise you it wont be fun.
Go on dreaming of a way to silence you conscience and to justify your lifestyle, the last person you full will be yourself!
Regards, Wolfgang
WolfgangHermann 2 years ago
Do you find that threatening people into believing in your "loving" god works for you?
MystryBox 2 years ago
Heres the time line originally 80 books cut down to 66 in 1855. 995 AD: Anglo-Saxon Translations of The New Testament Produced- 1455 AD: Gutenberg Invents the Printing Press; . The First Book Ever Printed is Gutenberg's Bible in Latin.-
1539 AD: The "Great Bible" Printed; The First English Language Bible for Public Use. 2002 AD: The English Standard Version (ESV) - 1400 bc The 10 commandments Moses to 2002 ESV thats more than 3400 years with 30 or more "translations" sounds like a scam
guitark3 2 years ago
Americans now have a new version of this "bible" it is the I.R.S .Tax code. God is the monetary system and Jesus is capitalism. Like previous versions of the bible the tax code is equally difficult to understand in our time as the bible was in the times they were published.
guitark3 2 years ago
Interesting theory.
MystryBox 2 years ago
None of it was ever writen it was design. The King James version is so garbled with crap and was probably writen as a political tool more than anything. These versions are not a translation or interpretation of anything, just scary little stories.
guitark3 2 years ago
The book of Yeshua (Jesus) was never written because there was no such person. None of these people from THE MODERN VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE ever existed. These are just stupid little stories disigned to control a population through fear .
guitark3 2 years ago
Very likely.
MystryBox 2 years ago
So don't feel bad because you don't believe that.
atuott 2 years ago
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atuott 2 years ago
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that is a very interesting question, I love it - I think about all the famous people that had a great calling on their life and did their calling, but never wrote about it - at first I think, that it is sad that they never cared to share... cause I would have loved to listen or read there truths later.... like Billy Gram and Kenneth Copland and I know that if these people could write something about their lives they would always relate it to Jesus -
atuott 2 years ago
- so about Jesus... I love the fact that he did the great calling that he had - from the looks of it - he was never called to write... sniff sniff. Maybe if he was called to write stuff he would have a hard time now that I think about it...
atuott 2 years ago
cause in the bible it says that he said "i will only say and do what I hear my father say and do"... so it almost looks like people should blame God for not writing something down...hmm wait if Jesus copied God all the time - do you remember when Jesus wrote in the sand and no one knew what he was writing...it was like he started something there and then stopped...huh, intersting.... well - there is one thing that I am sure of He (God Himself) wrote in....
atuott 2 years ago
he wrote a covenant in his own blood..... ahhhh - that gets me every time. He loved me enough to die - to me thats better than writing a book - but he even went to greater lengths for me - He had other people called to write about Him. you know if I were Gods son I wouldn't want to try and write a book after i was called to die...man, after my death and reserection... I would want a bubble bath!
Love you
Stephanie Tuott
atuott 2 years ago
And you know all that how? Because some unknown writers wrote it in a book decades after Jesus died. And you believe these unknown men because...?
MystryBox 2 years ago
Superman died to save us from an alien. Love Supes. srsly.
kaminarigaston 2 years ago
Why is there no book of abraham? No book of noah? No book of moses, no book of adam and eve, no book of israel? Look, I just used an argument you people love to use, on yourselves!
wtfisausername 2 years ago
Geez, learn your own religion. The first 5 books of the bible were supposedly written by Moses. They weren't really but that's another issue.
MystryBox 2 years ago
No, that's not a good counter argument. For Christians claim that Jesus was the be-all and end-all (the "alpha and omega") to all time, people, places and things. They claim that literally EVERYTHING in the Hebrew Bible somehow predicted or 'foreshadowed' Jesus. So according to Christian belief Noah, Abraham, were only minor figures. so writing their own book would not be an issue. For Jesus, to have come and gone and not left so much as a jot or a tittle in writing is a glaring flaw.
rabelad 2 years ago
Wow...more people who don't know their bibles and don't want to look for all the facts before they make a stupid video like this. Jesus was here to preach the gospel not to write an autobiography...the apostles of jesus were inspired by what the holy spirit told them and hence were the mouthpieces for god. Jesus came to die on the cross for us because he was the perfect sacrifice. His job was not suppose to write about himself
assassian93 2 years ago
Thanks for giving your opinion but the video is still correct.
MystryBox 2 years ago
If Jesus just came to die, why bother with his 3 year/month ministry? Why not just come down from heaven and get it over with. His sinless life didn't really make much difference, he was already sinless. His example is not particularly helpful, it just caused the church confusion since he preaches different theology than Paul.
meangreen4321 2 years ago
I think the question has a very good answer too, but not one Christians would like.
MystryBox 2 years ago
did he say that there is no book about jesus?!?!?! YA RIGHT!! READ MATHEW MARK LUKE AND JOHN!!!!
JesusFreak123123123 2 years ago
Not about Jesus, BY Jesus.
MystryBox 2 years ago
Many missing books, Wars of the Lord.(Num 21:14) Acts of Salomon(1st Kings 11:41). Samual the seer(1st Chor 29:29) The list goes on. People needed to have the feeling that there was something more to life, so the powerful realized this was a Great tool for mass Control. Note that Horus lived 3000yrs before JC and their lives are the same. Yeah so the longest runnong scam realized. Some loose their faith because they were shown to little, others loose it because they were shown to much.
clarisd 2 years ago 2
Who lost their faith because they were shown to little?
MystryBox 2 years ago
100's of millions that no laonger go to Church as most of it is Dogma, not real explorations. JC is a creation and see Horus, he lived 3000yrs B4 JC
clarisd 2 years ago
Why would Jesus have to write something? His disciples were with Him to teach the stories of Jesus to people later on. I guess you just want to start arguments or you are just trying to start trouble. Maybe you just want to act like you are smarter than God? Actually, it just looks like you want to teach your own agenda and to discredit Christianity.
Many people pick on Christianity, but very few pick on Islam.
jsmith19091 2 years ago
It sounds like my little question bothered you a bit.
MystryBox 2 years ago
even if he did write something it wouldn't be mentioned in the bible. look at another which was left out: Thomas. This deals only with Jesus's teachings, not with his life (the message i suspect Jesus wanted to pass on)
This doesn't fit the Christian religion as his teachings were, help others, share, don't hold grudges, take advantage etc, things no successful person wants to hear as they are normally guilty of such 'sins'. I ask Christians, can Jesus's teachings be so easily disregarded?
AlexFuerst 2 years ago
You're hilarious. If Jesus would have written something it wouldn't have been in the bible. That's what you just said. And WHO exactly would make that decision? And then why would you want to follow a religion based on a book that was put together by MEN?
MystryBox 2 years ago
i never said i am religious... in fact i am atheist who knows a little about the bible. i have looked into the Christian religion and it seems to focus only on jesus's life, and what he did, not what he was trying to teach, hence Thomas was left out.
eg Jesus said "a camel has more of a chance of passing through the eye of a needle then a rich man has of finding the kingdom of heaven"
So, why do we still have rich Christians? because Christianity never focused on what Jesus actually said.
AlexFuerst 2 years ago
I know the type--you're as silly as the Christians but in a different way. You take an obviously legendary story and remove all the supernatural aspects so you can then believe it. It somehow never occurs to you that the story isn't reasonable or reliable and you can't just pick and choose parts that you want to believe and expect to get anything remotely close to the truth.
MystryBox 2 years ago
just to make you aware, i didn't become an atheist because of this, i became it because i couldn't see any religion but Hinduism and Buddhism solving the morality dilemma. (and i have other issues with these religions)
I have never been a Christian i switched to atheism from a new age religion, and i don't have a problem with Jesus living, i just believe he was a perhaps a bit of a nut case. It is always the atheists which converted from Christianity which argue he could not have existed.
AlexFuerst 2 years ago
When something is unreliable it is unreliable. You can't take garbage throw away some of the nastier bits and get a treasure.
MystryBox 2 years ago
as i'm discussing on another video with you, there is evidence that Jesus lived in India, i haven't gone into detail. Things such as Indian court record (originals not copies) exist, and many Indian documents.
Now i don't say i believe the story in the bible, i believe someone with that name who probably travelled around existed, and some of the stories may have a grain of truth in them.
It just amuses me how Thomas got left out when all that speaks about is Jesus's teachings ie. how to be good
AlexFuerst 2 years ago
I have no interested in a supposed Jesus in India. That's not the Jesus people who believe in the bible think existed, so it's irrelevant unless you're into that sort of historical "might be" thing which I'm not.
MystryBox 2 years ago
I have responded to this in the other video, as you raised the same point there. but yes, the argument has gone off topic.
It's surprising to me though that you express your opinion above as such, as most atheists will look into the evidence for things like this which can disprove ideas of mainstream religions, it's a powerful argument for people who are actually questioning their faith, and normally interesting still to those who have questioned theirs.
AlexFuerst 2 years ago
That's just the point, it doesn't disprove anything. Also believing Christians won't care and for doubters there are much better arguments (in my opinion). For example, I think the story of the Buddhist disciple that walks on water and sinks when losing faith just like peter makes a better point because it doesn't require believing that Jesus lived in India (which even I find hard to swallow and I'm an atheist!).
MystryBox 2 years ago
wait....you have a bible.....just wondering: were you a former christian. if so why did you turn away?
Averysavoy04 2 years ago
Yes, former Christian. Reasons why I turned away are in all my videos.
MystryBox 2 years ago
God(Jesus) did write a book, the whole
bible;
2 Peter 1:20-21: "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (KJV)"
And literally, ten commandments;
Exodus 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. (KJV)"
toluabiala 2 years ago
Um no, that's a man writing that the book is from god. It's the word of a man, not a god.
MystryBox 2 years ago
If there was a book in the bible named "The Book of Jesus" would you believe it, I don't think so.
The reason why you disprove the bible is to sooth your own conscience
toluabiala 2 years ago
That' might be true, but the fact is there is no book of Jesus to examine is there.
MystryBox 2 years ago
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toluabiala 2 years ago
no the Scriptures are theanthropic.
jbrowse09 2 years ago
Now there's a word of the day.
The human part is clear. But there's no good evidence of a divine part.
MystryBox 2 years ago
Ah, but you my friend stand corrected. If you look in the Bible, it says Jesus/God does tell man what to write. I forget what verse it was and I don't have a Bible by me right now since I am in a hurry. But I do believe it was somewhere in the book of Exodus.
dos195 2 years ago
Right..... because if a book says god speaks in a book, it must be truth, right?
MystryBox 2 years ago
Ah, but why dwell on a book when you could be going with the now, or what God/Jesus is actually doing in the world right now. You do know, that the Bible is basically a reference book that simply tells the stories of ancient times, and lays down the rules. Nothing more. It's almost exactly like the American Constitution except with added in stories. What I'm saying is that the Bible has nothing to do with what Jesus/God is doing now and that you're statements about the Bible have no meaning.
dos195 2 years ago
Right, which is why you've never read it. If you had you'd know it was nothing like the American Constitution.
MystryBox 2 years ago
The was the smartest thing I EVER heard some 1 say about the Bible.
Bess2k2 2 years ago
Seems obvious once you think of it huh?
MystryBox 2 years ago
I'm just now learning about the missing books.
kedwards1976 2 years ago
Good video! It is interesting to me to read the comments below. In a sense, you are completely on target.
There was a movement by one historical figure who had wanted to canonize strictly New Testament writings. A little later, the Jesus movement started to want both the new testament thought in combination with the Old testament thought. Most people are oblivious to ghat idea whereas it was a very strong conviction in 1st century AD.
Beadbud5000 2 years ago
Most Christians don't know the early history of their church and scriptures... it's not exactly faith promoting stuff.
MystryBox 2 years ago
I hear ya. It kills me how so many choose to believe a thing without understanding somethings history.
The ultimate is, we have to live in the hear and now.
Beadbud5000 2 years ago
Actully wouldn't the book of the Bible be Faith? If Jesus were trying to do this than wouldn't he write a book called Faith telling you to put your faith in God? Like a 11th commandment? Otherwise I like your videos
kimjjonas 2 years ago
No book about or by Jesus?! The ENTIRE Bible (Both Old and New Testiments) is about Jesus Christ
Itchhhh 2 years ago
Duh, they're all about Jesus but none were actually written by Jesus even though he was there. So we don't have Jesus' word on anything.
MystryBox 2 years ago
The whole Bible was written by God. It was God inspired. YOu could even argue that its like a Vice President dictating a letter to a secretary. . . . .
Itchhhh 2 years ago
No, it was written by men. You believe the men were inspired of god but there is no good reason to believe that. In the end you have faith in men, not in god.
MystryBox 2 years ago
The Bible is an incredible book that when you start to read it, unfolds in amazing truths supported throughout the book. The Bible has an incredible Symmetry between the Old Testiment and the New! It amazes me that so many "human" secretaries were involved over thousands of years yet in never contridicts itself! Further it has withstood the time, the Bible is the most popular book in the history of the World!
heh heh!
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Itchhhh 2 years ago
I suspect that you haven't really read it critically. But regardless I've read it and studied it and find it unbelievable, contradictory, and clearly the work of primitive men. I believe my own opinion over yours.
MystryBox 2 years ago
It's impossible to understand the scripture's deeper meanings of truth without the direction and aid of discernment of the Holy Spirit, whom you have never known.
Believing2See 2 years ago
And does the "holy spirit" tell you obvious myths like talking snakes and the sun stopping in the sky aren't myths? Maybe you should have those voices in your head checked.
MystryBox 2 years ago
The voice in my head belongs to the Master you attempt to refute. The voice in your head belongs to the demon which inhabits you. Only Christ has the authority to rid you from it.
Believing2See 2 years ago
You're hilarious. You should do stand up.
MystryBox 2 years ago
Am I?
Believing2See 2 years ago
any book that was compiled based on compromised election through open forum cant be viewed as a complete work, they admit they left out tons of books stories and that even the old testament has been changed from what it was at jesus' time, they can say its a holy book and divinely inspired truths but ill never believe in it ever again, especially since after they elected what books to put in it they still couldnt agree on what retelling was proper and such have many different versions after that
alemar1122 2 years ago
It's easier to make a muppet of someone if you don't have to contend with their direct thoughts and words.
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
Good point.
MystryBox 2 years ago
the gospel of jesus apparently was created, though downplayed by the catholic church. rumours of the gospel of jesus still persist, like the books that weren't canonised... mary magdalene, judas, etc...
of course jesus never intended to create a 'religion', though what jesus said was written within a lifetime not 'centuries after'. if i remember right, john for example wrote his while in prison (50 years later which causes problems of complete accuracy, but does show some accuracy and truth...)
roymondously 2 years ago
The video says decades after his death, not centuries.
Why did "john" have to write anything? Why do we have to take the word of some anonymous author writing decades after the supposed events about highly unlikely supernatural events? If god is becoming a man and coming to earth and breaking the laws of nature to perform miracles why didn't he do something still observable today?
MystryBox 2 years ago
my bad on the decades/centuries...
as for why no jesus book, the counter-argument would be that jesus didn't come to prove himself, he came to do something not write it down... i agree this argument does suggest that the bible is not 100% god's word though, just people wanting to spread round what happened, which is subject to the usual 'chinese whispers' effect.
and if god isn't coming to prove himself, then he has no need to perform those lasting miracles (tho he may still be doing that today)
roymondously 2 years ago
That's fine if god wants to just do things--obviously he can do what he wants. But he couldn't expect anyone to believe. The key aspect of Christianity is you have to believe, yet there is no good reason to believe. Perhaps god only wants the gullible to go to heaven?
MystryBox 2 years ago
It is this theory that has the gaping hole, or flaw: there IS a "book of Jesus" as you put it. It is called the Lamb's Book of Life. I know this b/c thanks be to God, my name is in it. Yours can be too MystryBox, if you would humbled yourself before God, repent of your sins & place your faith in Jesus Christ; & don't worry - either way you will get to know of it. I hope it is with joy rather than weeping & gnashing of teeth. Until then I suggest you READ that Bible.
God bless.
Mathetes76 3 years ago
What I say in this video is still true.
And I've read the bible, my recommendation is YOU actually read the bible and THINK about it rather than merely believe it for cultural and emotional reasons.
MystryBox 3 years ago
When I say "READ that Bible" I mean it in the sense of the way any real Christian does - you NEVER finish. You do not just read it once through (which I highly doubt anyway) & bingo, that's it you know it; not at all!
Salvation through faith in Christ is real & vital - I'm afraid it doesn't fit into your pat psychological theory. Why don't you see for yourself MystryBox? Then you will not have to base your views on mere speculation but you will rest in the assurance of truth!
Mathetes76 3 years ago
I was a Christian for most of my life and beyond mere "Sunday School" have many years of classes dedicated to the study of scripture. I've not only read the bible I've studied it as a Christian.
But more than that I've also seen the other side. I've THOUGHT about the bible (which Christians never do). And it's flatly unbelievable.
MystryBox 3 years ago
"I was a Christian for most of my life...I've THOUGHT about the bible (which Christians never do)."
That's either a blatant contradiction or you've got quite a high opinion of yourself there MystryBox!
Ever considered that you might of come to the wrong conclusion or is that impossible?
Mathetes76 3 years ago
What is impossible (or ridiculous, you choose which) is believing mythical stories like donkeys and snakes talking, the sun stopping in the sky, people coming from mud and ribs, etc. That's the sort of stories I can't force myself to believe because I have a brain and senses and can observe they are most likely MYTHS no different than a million other silly myths written long ago. What's your excuse for believing such tripe?
MystryBox 3 years ago
You didn't answer my question MystryBox.
However, I will answer yours:
I am saved from the consequences of my sins by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ, born again to life eternal - that's it! All else is an appendage to that fact. I noticed when you claimed that you were a Christian (I have no doubt you once thought you were) you said nothing of salvation.
"most likely" - i.e you don't know: truth is not determined by majority opinion. It either is or isn't - you have but doubt.
Mathetes76 3 years ago
You didn't answer my question at all.
To answer yours of course I've considered if I'm wrong but I don't lose much sleep over it. The fact is I'm not wrong--religions in general and yours in particular have no good support and so have no basis to be believed. It's not so much that I think they are wrong, it's that they have not shown they are right. Whether I'm wrong or not doesn't change that so is largely irrelevant.
MystryBox 3 years ago
You seem to be abandoning logic MystryBox:
"...if I'm wrong but I don't lose much sleep over it."
"The fact is I'm not wrong"
"Whether I'm wrong or not doesn't change that so is largely irrelevant."
??? (completely self-contradictory reasoning).
I did answer your question, but your non-comprehension of it confirms that you were never really a Christian, it was just a religion to you, you never had a relationship with Him. You still can have a saving relationship with Jesus - trust in Him!
Mathetes76 3 years ago
I might be wrong but there are thousands of religions out there that might be true and I don't lose any sleep over it. Just as you don't lose any sleep over the fact you might be wrong. And the other point is that rationally I hardly need to worry about believing a religion that hasn't shown itself to be true (and contains many obvious myths) like Christianity.
I'm not interested in relationships with invisible friends. It's a thing called sanity--look into it. Heh.
MystryBox 3 years ago