The biggest thing that pisses me off is the idea that people in the UK can't choose. You can if you want to get insurance and use the private health care system then you can nothing stopping you. People CHOOSE to use the NHS they dont HAVE too. And the funny things is check the stats the UK has a higher life expectancy and our healthcare scores better than the US on a lot of fronts
I'm an ordained minister who personally owes over three hundred thousand dollars in medical costs due to the highly deceitful policies of insurance companies.
I was denied coverage as spinal fractures were misdiagnosed (by the insurer's doctor, who avoided the cost of a CT scan) concluding my 25% spinal misalignment was pre-existing.
After two years of collapsing legs, (now permanent) a pre-surgical CT proved the injury was not pre-existing.
you've got to to love a certain percentage of americans haven't you? falling for this sort of stuff? it wouldn't get past an 8 year old in most civilised places/
@HillBillyGoodOleboy it's probable, but there might be some degree of truth to it that was stretched beyond belief, which turned it into this commerical
As a UK national I can tell you that this whole campaign is a load of garbage. My Grandma was treated on her deathbed for nearly a month by the NHS before passing away as a result of her illness and at no point was she in danger of being prevented from having treatment. We have a better healthcare system than you and everyone, and I mean everyone is entitled to it.If you want to keep it private I sincerely hope that neither you, your friends or family can afford it. Welcome to civilised society
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That's what Obamacare is all about. A socialist system of single payers where everyone(except congress) shares a smaller pie.Oh and there will be only one type of pie btw...
"Life and death medical decisions should be made by patients and doctors..."
I agree. Except that in the U.S., these decisions are made by insurance companies....if you can afford insurance. If you can't, you go bankrupt. What a great system!
The conservative Club for Growth is full of lies and full of shit, as usual.
Are you being sarcastic or just stupid? Private companies are always more trustworthy than government. Private companies gain their customers honestly by providing them a service that customers would VOLUNTARILY choose to pay for. Government is dishonest because it uses FORCE to coerce people to give them money. That alone is irrefutable proof that private companies are always more trustworthy than government... and that government is always more of a threat than any private biz.
@herbs814 - Yeah, private companies are always more trustworthy....like Enron, Goldman Sachs, AIG. And you're crazy naiive if you really think that all private companies get their customers volunarily, especially health insurance companies! BCBS has 80% of the market in Arkansas. You think that's because their customers like them so much?! Making a profit off of other people's health (or lack thereof) is not only immoral, but bad business to boot.
It is GOVERNMENT that causes all monopolies by limiting competition through regulation. The problem behind healthcare is the fault of excessive government intrusion.
Making a profit by conducting private business and voluntary exchange is completely moral. It is government that is immoral.
Private enterprise is the solution. Government is the problem.
You need to do some reading on what caused the Great Depression, the Savings and Loan Scandal of the 80s and about what caused our current financial depression. No offense, but you're an idealogue who doesn't know what he's talking about. I know saying things like "government is the problem" sounds good, but have you ever stopped to really think about what that means? You should, or else risk sounding uninformed and silly.
The cause of all financial problems since 1913 has been the GOVERNMENT (Federal Reserve, FDIC, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, FHA, Community Reinvestment Act, etc.)
@herbs814 - You do realize that lack of government intervention helped to exacerbate the Great Depression and that lack of regulation caused the current depression, right? What am I saying? Of course you don't. You're a Ronald Reagan parrot - Government is the problem, government is the problem, government is the problem, etc. Blah, blah, blah. Classic right wing stuff - repeat bullshit over and over until you believe it.
This is the truth. If you pretend otherwise, you will always remain a slave to the government. Government is the most corrupt and most evil institution. Government is the focus of man's inhumanity to man. Grow a brain and reject your slavery. Or you will always be a victim.
@herbs814 Then You should not pay taxes to the evil government to run police and armed forces. Only those who wants these institutions should voluntarily pay for them. Right?
@YDDES i love that argument by leftist cowards like yourself.. no one believes that government should not exist.. rather their duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.. what, did you get that statement from media matters? you looked up on google how to win arguments against those who dont support big government?
@ofcccaddy2004 Yes, protect the people. So, why not protect them even from deceases and unhealth? Why shall others pay to protect You from murderers and robbers, if You don't want to pay to protect them from deceases? Locig is nothing for You, is it?
@YDDES no thats not what this health care bill is about and you know it.. this bill is a government takeover giving massive powers to branches of government.. look no one is against reform but it has to be done right
@ofcccaddy2004 Well, I'm not an American citizen. Actually, I live in Sweden. Here we have a government controlled health insurence. We still pay about the equal of $20 when we see doctors at "open clinics" and a fee depending on incom per day at hospitals. When we have reached a certain sum, it's free for the rest of the year. No one is thrown out from clinics or hospitals because of lack of money, and no one is forced to sell his house or take a big loan to pay his doctor.
@YDDES ok you live i nsweden exactly.. you dont know how this country works but you think you do.. unlike socialist sweden where the government hands you everything, this country was built on hard work and dedication.. we (at least those of us left) believe that if you work hard, you shouldnt have to pay for those who don't.. that is what this country stands for.. yes your system works over there because of your population; however government controlled health care will not work here
@ofcccaddy2004 "Socialist"... I wouldn't agree. Since some years we have a right-wing government in the process of privatizing everything. How about those who are born handicapped or who can't get a job? Who never can afford a private health care? Are they worthless in Your system? Isn't it true that a private insurence company can decide what doctor You must go to? And which medicin they will pay for? Not so here in Sweden. We are free to choose our doctors.
@YDDES lazy and handicapped are 2 different things and they are represented differently here in america.. your statement is true.. but government can and does deny more coverage than insurance companies and heres why.. insurance compaines have alot of money, however government does not.. which do you think will deny more?
@ofcccaddy2004 I've never been denied any treatment or medicin, not gone bankrupt, or had to take a loan despite four major operations (appendix, hernia and a ruptured knee). My wife got hospitalized two months because of complications when she had our child. No economical problems att all. Your system is juste ONLY if ALL those who want a job with sufficient income to buy a good health care insurence really can get such a job. Are You sure they ALL can? No laying offs? No unemployments in USA?
@YDDES government health care works in your country because of your population.. we have more people here uninsured than your total population.. if we just added them to the hospital list like that the hospitals would become plugged and care would be rationed.. as you can see im not against reform im against government run health care
@ofcccaddy2004 So, better to leave those out to suffer and die, who can't afford treatment, than to pay a little higher taxes to give all citizens a worthwile life (and they would stay in the way for the richer ones in the hospitals)? That's a real cynical way to run a nation... I must say, I'm no great admirer of the American way of life. I feel too much sympathy for the sick and poor...
@YDDES thats the problem.. you just want us to pay " a little more".. the top 1% already pay 70% of the taxes in this country.. i dont want to pay anymore taxes.. i pay enough already.. yea i have sympathy for the poor, i give away more than you earn every year to charity so dont tell me i dont care about the suffering and sick
@ofcccaddy2004 In my opinion, suffering citizens are the governments, the states responsibility, not charitys. OK, those who pay 70% of the taxes, what % of the income and consumption do they have? I still can't see why those who have nothing to steal shall pay for Your protection against criminals via the tax-financed police, while You don't want to contribute to their chances to get medical treatment. Not very fair...
@YDDES they take in 40% of the income.. its all on the tax chart.. as i said before, government first duty is to protect not run.. this health care bill doesn't improve care for anyone, it basically just gives the government more power.. im not against reform, it has to be done right
@ofcccaddy2004 OK. I haven't studied the bill in detail, but I still think it's the states responsibility to not just finance police and military, but also see to that all it's citizens can have basic mecical treatment. All humans have the same value.
@YDDES yes all humans have the same value.. they have the same value to make efforts with their lives.. anyone can go to school, there is financial aid available for anyone who wants to try.. they can go to school, get a degree, and get a job that offers health insurance.. thats all i ask for is for people to try
@ofcccaddy2004 The question is: Are there really jobs offering health care (or enough paid to buy a health care insurance) to have for ALL at the same time? Not all unemployed are just lazy, You know...
@YDDES yes, obviosuly besides walmart.. but walmart is putting urgent care places in their stores so employees can actually use them without paying to cover insurance... of course not all unemployed are lazy, theres no question, but i would like to determine the amount of money they get by the amount of time they spend looking for work.. there should not be an incentive to have more kids just because more money is coming
@ofcccaddy2004 Well, as long as everyone who really wants a job that can give him/her a decent life can't have such a job, it should be the societies duty to at least gime him/her somewhere to live, something to eat and basic healthcare. After all, a society is not about being selfish and egoistic, it's about supporting each others. Otherwise, why have a society at all? And we all are "heard-animals"...
@YDDES right, but society should help those that want to help themselves..its not about being selfish as you said, rather needs to be encouraging people to make effort
@ofcccaddy2004 Yes, but if you, despite all your efforts, can't find a way to support yourself? Such things happen all the time, all over the world, You know. Even in USA. Then it's the societies responsibility to do something. Otherwise, people are going to lie and die of starvation and sickness all over, while those who have managed to lay their hands on the majority of the resources, live in luxury and just say: "They don't try hard enough, and I'm not going to give them anything".
@YDDES like i said before, if you try and dont succeed, then you are entitled to help.. how that would be regulate, i have no clue but thats just what i believe. .the thing is, i give enough, i give away a lot to charity and pay alot of taxes already so it is not like i am selfish with my money.. i dont want people to die and starve in the streets and i am willing to help but they have to meet me halfway
@dougmanjones Go read: "New Deal, or Raw Deal>", by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. Also "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, " by Wolfgang Schivelbusch
@Aegius - I've actually read New Deal, or Raw Deal- these guys' theories have made their way into social studies textbooks in Texas. They're not particularly well-written. You should read 'ill Fares the Land" by Tony Judt. Now this guy is smart.
@dougmanjones First we are not in a depression retard. Second goverment is the problem that let to the houseing collapse by backing banks who would offer loans to anyone who wanted to buy any house at any price without any type of down payment.
Yea that was goverment injecting itself into the free market. How about you offer some facts rather than just cast blame.
@danielsonrg - You're right. We're not in a Depression. We narrowly avoided one by injecting capital into the banks and with the stimulus. In other words, government intervention prevented a financial catastrophe. Not sure what your point was. And why call me a retard? What are you, 10 years old?
@dougmanjones Avoided? Are you serious, just because the savior said that the worst is behind us, you're going to believe him? Oh the worst is yet to come, when China comes knocking on the USA door and wants all there money back. How are we going to pay that back? Oh I know the same solution your savior did for the stimulus print more money, and make your dollar worth as much as china's rice (or whatever they use for currency)
@danielsonrg Oh yea let's see how the stimul package works for those Bush Tax Cuts that everyone is going to lose in a couple months. Probably more jobs lost and a sour growth in the economy. But the again you'll probably tell me I'm wrong because your savior said it's already fixed.
@danielsonrg - Do you really think that intergovernmental finance operates the same way as a check cashing stand? Nations owing $ is very, very different than individuals (or even companies) owing $. It's macro, not micro, dude.
And actually, the dollar is doing ok at the moment, despite what Glenn Beck says. He just says it isn't because his sponsor is a gold investment company.
Oh, and "the savior" are your words, not mine, pal.
@dougmanjones only un-informed liberal morons like you believe the dollar is doing fine.. we have no fed funds rate and no discount rate and the FED is printing money faster than the speed of light.. how in the hell is the dollar fine?
@dougmanjones you really have a mental disorder.. and that is liberalism.. you believe that hard working americans like me should pay for losers like you.. its not my fault you didnt go to school and made an effort with your life, dont expect me to foot the bill
@dougmanjones you are the one that is full of shit, you weak pathetic liberal, you don't have the strength or courage to take care of your own business, you NEED me to pick up the slack for your sorry little socialist ass, go phuck yourself.
@oscarmacaroni - Actually, jackass, I have my own health insurance. I wasn't just thinking about myself; I was thinking about others. You should try it sometime.
this ad is a bunch of bull shit..they dont let people die in England, only here in America they will let you die if you don't have the money, dont you get it...Private insurance are business looking for profit, they dont give a shit about your health...
Any system.... that can't provide affordable care to all its people.... but can pay its managers multi million dollar salaries and buy them mansions and buy them private jets ...is an immoral system
I myself never use the Interstate Hwy system and I seldom drink water because the highways and most of the water distribution in the US was paid for with dollars stolen trough taxation. And what is it with the US Air Force anyway? Show me where in the constitution it calls for an Air Force? Shut down the air force now!
Gotta go...I am heading over to my Grandma's house to to pull the plug on her Medicare (government) funded medical devices and snatch back her meds.
herbs- "insurance companies make money by satisfying customers"
Thats one of the most ignorant posts I have ever heard.
Insurance companies have very little history of "satisfying customers" They do however have a history of rationing care. They ration care all the time.
"Free Market" health insurance has NOT shown the American people that it is a trustworthy system.
You worship a false God.
You worshipfFree market" millionaires at the expense of your fellow Americans.
if you actually dispute that private companies make money by satisfying customers, not infuriating them, then you are completely brainwashed. private business is always more responsive and more agreeable than government. your slavish worship of government is disgusting. how could you possibly hate freedom so much?
it is government favoritism (socialism) that allows them to have de facto oligopoly status. Obama's burdensome regulations only serve to restrict their competition and further entrench the oligopoly of favored insurance cronies. The best remedy to the cartelization of insurance companies is less government, more free market; exactly the opposite of what Obama and the democrats are so eager to impose on us.
The bill you are trying to defeat promotes competition across state-lines and sets up an insurance exchange where the companies compete on price and benefits.
You seem to be against the very thing you claim you are for. i.e competition among the insurance companies.
Your rhetoric, I'm sure sounds good in the echo chamber of your narrow, angry, fearful mind. However, reality and your rhetoric are currently at odds.
And while you're at it, tell your congress puppet you oppose govt run education.. that is "rationed", only a select few can attend the finest colleges on govt loans.. the others can strip, deal dope or suck a dick.
And govt run policing (protection) that is rationed, sorry we dont have enough cops to protect everyone all the time.
I'm sick of the govt rationing asphalt, frikn pot hole gave me a flat... zzzzzz
stealing from working Americans, to condemn children to inferior schools, and unaccountable brats (union teachers)? harassing parents who exercise their right to school their children themselves. having our children ripped away from us and condemned to atheistic, anti-capitalist indoctrination. government education is an evil system that has no place in a free society and no justification under our constitution. marxist education is evil.
I don't know how, but the British NHS really believes that they have the right to restrict people's health care. Which is why British people pull their own teeth or flee to America to get decent health care. If Obama destroys the American health system, where will these persecuted British people turn to for healthcare? Where will persecuted Americans turn to for healthcare?
At least with govt rationing there is a small sliver of hope the people have influence, we have public servants to petition.
Insurance companies need to be sued, and good luck with that. They have a platoon of lawyers ready to kick your dead ass into the dirt...
Either way, a bureaucrat Grim Reaper awaits.. a greedy one who can ignore you, Vs an incompetent one that can be protested.. you still die at the end.
people have more influence with their pocketbook than they will ever have with corrupt politicians. the government is more greedy AND more incompetent. the market is always better than the government. no empty promises from politicians are ever worse forfeiting our rights and submitting to government control. not ever.
Pocketbook? by the time you realize your insurance co. is rationing you, it's waaay too late.
They already have all your money by the time you're 3/4 dead with cancer.. its only then you find out they consider expensive life saving / extending surgery / meds "experimental".. you just got rationed.
You cant take your "pocketbook" elsewhere because of an expensive "pre-existing condition"... damn, rationed again.
I personally experienced insurance co rationing with a family member who paid a-lot for her own insurance. Instead of calling treatment "too expensive", they use the term "experimental".. From there she was left no option to take her "pocketbook" elsewhere.
This is not unique, they make billions in profit by rationing care.. who doesn't know that?
insurance companies make money by satisfying customers and retaining customers, not by "rationing care." your hatred for free markets, capitalism, and private insurance has made you utterly delusional. you make no sense at all.
The NHS was born out of a long-held ideal that good healthcare should be available to all, regardless of wealth. 50 million Americans cannot afford health care. In the UK those people would be treated free of charge.
The World Health Organisation ranks Britain's healthcare as 18th in the world, while the US is in 37th place.
In the US the insurance companies decide who will live and who will die
This ad campaign is fabricated and it's based upon a bundle of frosted lies.
NHS was born out of a greedy intent to steal people's liberty and property and condemn them to government tyranny. The government provides nothing "free of charge" without stealing from people first. Government is not a provider; government is a thug and a thief.
The NHS was born out of a tyrannical desire to control and enslave the people of the UK. There was never anything idealistic about it. NHS was always evil, is always evil, and always will be evil. Private healthcare is the ONLY moral choice.
Sicko, to all yanks, watch film by Michael More, Sicko, its a eye opener. I am brit and Iove my NHS, I wouldn't have it any other way, in US if you don't have insurance and you are ill, you die, if you have insurance but your insurance company won't pay, you die, in UK, you don't see ppl die, bc of no medical insurance or profits before health coverage, in UK ppl live to the rope old age, and do not go bankrupt if they can't afford medical care.
"Life and death medical decisions should...not be made by politicians and bureaucrats" so who should control the army, the most socialised movement in the world.
NHS may be inefficient but at least they won't leave me dying on the street because I have a pre condition I forgot to disclose, or because I cannot afford it. Also how many Americans are commenting here most seem to be foreign.
The $22750 cost is a dreamed up cost of 'Sutend' used for kidney cancers (less than the $49000pa cost specified by NICE). It's really wounding (to a UK citizen) how the NHS is misrepresented by the US Attack adverts and their apologists. I've paid private medical insurance for 25 years but still rely on the NHS to treat serious ailments. I was also treated in hospital by the NHS for the first year of my life. I have NO regrets at paying National Health Contributions or a proportion of inc taxes!
you poor, misguided fool. I love socialized medicine! I can't wait until we join the rest of the civilized world and end this PAY OR DIE system Have a wonderful life crying about the evils of socialism as you collect your Social Security check!
I can't wait until we abolish socialist insecurity, mediscare, and government education.
a "pay or die" system is INFINITELY BETTER than a do what the government says or die system. Private healthcare is INFINITELY BETTER than government health care.
Ha ha ha! How typically Christian of you! Poor soul. I wonder if you'll beg for forgiveness on your deathbed like Lee Atwater did? I'm sure you'll be the first one lining up for your government benefits! Enjoy them!
@herbs814 Huh. Really? My wife can walk into a clinic here in Canada and see a MD in less then an hour. She can see our Family MD 2x a year for check ups. She can see a specialist in less then a week if any MD thinks she is sick. She can do all of this free. Every Canadian can. Same in the UK. They even pay for your bus/cab ride to get to the hospital in the UK! How is that immoral? Why are so many Americans coming up here to see our MDs?
Completely backwards. Canadian MDs are coming to America because the tyrannical Canadian government is capping the number of procedures they can do in Canada. All government-controlled healthcare schemes are evil schemes that impose tyranny upon their victims. Government healthcare is always evil. Free-market healthcare alone is moral.
As the only person in this conversation who has lived in both countries let me assure you that of the thousands of Canadians I've had the pleasure of talking with none hated socialized medicine. I've never met a Canuk who had to run and pay cash in the US rather then use there free healthcare. Canadians immigrate to the US, UK, AUS all the time...it has nothing to do with tyranny and everything to do with getting married to a foreigner. Come visit Canada and see the oppression for yourself!
As the only person in this conversation who understands morality (or economics) let me assure you that socialized medicine is entirely evil with absolutely no excuse or justification at all. Anyone who does not hate socialized medicine is not moral. All honest people hate socialized medicine. Just like grass is green, socialized medicine is evil. It is nothing more than coveting what does not belong to you and asking the government to STEAL it from whom it actually belongs.
Canadians favor this by 99%.They voted on it 3 years ago and refused to even discuss partial-privatization. It is wildly popular. I fail to see how you can judge either my morality or my economic views having never met me. I do however find it sad that when given a chance to come to Canada and see for yourself you just attack and spit at me. I wish you well in whatever it is you call a "life" but I will thank you to not speak on something you've chosen continued ignorance on.
Privatization is a moral imperative. Anyone who voted against privatization is ignorant or evil. Only privatization is moral.
LOL. I am laughing at the thought of subjecting oneself to the TYRANNY of government healthcare. That would be like volunteering to be tortured. HELL NO. Private healthcare is ALWAYS superior to government healthcare. Anyone who is not brainwashed knows this.
@herbs814 If you say so. The fact that you can't directly respond to what I say, nor have facts to backup your thoughts leads me to believe you are parroting someone else's view and don't know what you are talking about. Further since you refused my invitation you must know you are wrong, which is worse. Feel free to continue your diatribe but arguments that call me evil and stupid with no foundation in logic or fact sound more religious then anything else and I don't debate the obvious.
I have backed up everything I've said. Just what is it that you were too dense to understand??
Your invitation to INFERIORITY and TYRANNY would be refused by ANYONE with any intelligence or morality. The fact that you would even make such a terrible offer just shows your ignorance and/or depravity.
Logic shows that free markets are the solution to every healthcare problem... and that government intrusion is the cause of every healthcare problem. What do you not understand?
@MichaelnChristine For a "moral person" you lie an awful lot. Your quote was Dr. Anne Doig. It took me a while to find since you cut a bunch out. Like the fact that she wasn't talking about privatizing healthcare. She was talking about offer suplements through employers. Hardly the same thing. ""It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."" So she met with the UK, France, etc...NOT the US.
PS. The president of the Canadian Medical Association admits that the government healthcare system is BROKEN: "We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize.... (private) competition should be WELCOMED, not feared.... That's called looking at the evidence."
Intelligent Canadians, especially doctors, admit that government healthcare is flawed and private competition is required to fix it.
@herbs814 Name your source. I guarantee you that you are quote mining. Just a few to many ... in the statement to be an accurate quote. List the link for us....hmm?
quotes by Dr. Anne Doig, president of Canadian Medical Association in an interview with the Canadian Press
(Of course, if you just looked up the quotes, you would know that I am being truthful. But you just like to PRETEND otherwise because you know that I am right and you are wrong. Just admit it. You'll feel better to stop lying and admit it.)
Damn right wingers... This kind of Fox-esque untruth is why Americans are perceived as stupid - they are given such poor quality information! Fact remains that our 'socialist evil' medical system is better in WHO rankings than the USA's, and we spend less per capita than America do.
as much as i do support the NHS, no-one can doubt that there are problems, and what about medication that is refused to cancer patients by NCTs because it costs too much?
I have a feeling that it's those stories that have inspired this completely misled campaign.
As stated many times in comments on this blog, we in the UK spend less on healthcare than the US but manage to have a higher rated standard or care, as well as longer life expectancy.
US healthcare is run exclusively to make money for rich people, even if that means denying people's healthcare claims and letting them die.
Didnt the right wing recently welcome £11.6 trillion of taxpayers money to save coroporates/banks? Yet they oppose using taxpayers money to actually help the people whose money it actually is - absurd. This video is a disgrace & for the benefit of the healthcare industry & their greed and NOT the people who have the right to have healthcare.
lying pigs. The PAY OR DIE sick care in the US kills people EVERY DAY! Every single American has a story about someone without coverage who suffers. Repug pigs care only for themselves- when it affects them they "see the light" - selfishness is a virtue to them.
This is utter rubbish ..peddled by the rightwing special interest groups & the healthcare industry in the US . Shame on you for distorting the truth ...
There are people who are voicing their opinion on these lies! From the 10000 posts per minute on twitter to the 100 comments on youtube. There is also a group of 200+ on facebook called 'American Conservatives putting the NHS in a negative light is wrong!'
Absolute rubbish. As a British citizen who is proud of the National Health Service, I can assure everything that this is not the case. The video is completely made up.
This is rubbish. I am British and there are no caps on the money spent to treat ill people. Also, the NHS does not mean you cannot use your own health insurance as well as or instead of the NHS if you want more rapid treatment or cosmetic surgery,
This video is entirely false, as no doubt the makers know perfectly well.
The liars who made this presumably know it bears no relation to anything that actually happens in the British NHS. Two more points Americans should bear in mind before making their own political decision:
(i) anyone in Britain can take out their own health insurance if they prefer, or buy their own treatment. Few choose to, because most trust the NHS;
(ii) private health insurers in the US, pay a huge army of their own bureaucrats to second-guess medical decisions.
ok... so lets suppose you can afford healthcare insurance. If you get sick.. all that is going to happen is they will employ a loss adjuster to invalidate your claim and policy... just like any other insurance policy. Insurance of anything is a con, healthcare is no different no one is ever 'covered'.
My question is why entrust the healthcare of a nation to a system which when applied to healthcare possesses a positive intensive to killing people for cash.
Aye sure...If you can afford to talk to a doctor in the first place. At least here we get the chance to talk to a doctor if we split our head, if we get cancer we dont end up in debt.
UK NHS: The NHS provides health care from cradle to grave. The service is free at the point of delivery for all UK Citizens, regardless of race, gender, or wealth.
So, what happens to the poor USA citizens who have no health insurance - shown the hospital exit door and told to go and die in their own beds at home or on the street?
Are Yanks REALLY this stupid? Or is it only the rich ones that can afford to pay for better healthcare that are trying to screw things up for the poor and needy? What about people who are born with defects, like me, that would never be able to get health insurance - what would we do for healthcare in America? People like me would have to pay for that $22,750 out of our own pockets, or just die sooner.
Yes, it isn't perfect, but No, it certainly isn't Evil.
this advert is utter, utter bollocks. if you don't understand economics don't try and spread lies. I am incredibly proud of the NHS. A lot of people don't understand how bad healthcare was before the NHS. Ask anyone who was around before its introduction. My mum was treated incredibly quickly and received wonderful life saving health care by the NHS. I love the NHS.
40-odd million Americans with no health insurance? US health care rated 37th in the world? sounds great.
Fuck whoever made this video. Retarded lying fucking morons.
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stringlov 9 months ago
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stringlov 9 months ago
... well that's pathetic.
thestephenaw 1 year ago
The biggest thing that pisses me off is the idea that people in the UK can't choose. You can if you want to get insurance and use the private health care system then you can nothing stopping you. People CHOOSE to use the NHS they dont HAVE too. And the funny things is check the stats the UK has a higher life expectancy and our healthcare scores better than the US on a lot of fronts
frostyhk 2 years ago 5
in canada here i know a guy who got surgary worth 250,000 and he would have been dead
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Shadownian 2 years ago
so many socialists on here
ofcccaddy2004 2 years ago
@ofcccaddy2004 Socialism rules!
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
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I'm an ordained minister who personally owes over three hundred thousand dollars in medical costs due to the highly deceitful policies of insurance companies.
I was denied coverage as spinal fractures were misdiagnosed (by the insurer's doctor, who avoided the cost of a CT scan) concluding my 25% spinal misalignment was pre-existing.
After two years of collapsing legs, (now permanent) a pre-surgical CT proved the injury was not pre-existing.
How can humans continue to do this one another?
laaxe 2 years ago
you've got to to love a certain percentage of americans haven't you? falling for this sort of stuff? it wouldn't get past an 8 year old in most civilised places/
Forsche 2 years ago
This video is a lie
HillBillyGoodOleboy 2 years ago
@HillBillyGoodOleboy it's probable, but there might be some degree of truth to it that was stretched beyond belief, which turned it into this commerical
danielsonrg 1 year ago
go to free our health care now to sign anti obama petition
mrstrings65 2 years ago
dont you get it?? theres no such thing as free healthcare!!
ofcccaddy2004 2 years ago
I'm not saying it's free, I am saying free it from obama.
mrstrings65 2 years ago
@ofcccaddy2004 oh it's in Cuba, just ask Michale Moore's fat ass
danielsonrg 1 year ago
As a UK national I can tell you that this whole campaign is a load of garbage. My Grandma was treated on her deathbed for nearly a month by the NHS before passing away as a result of her illness and at no point was she in danger of being prevented from having treatment. We have a better healthcare system than you and everyone, and I mean everyone is entitled to it.If you want to keep it private I sincerely hope that neither you, your friends or family can afford it. Welcome to civilised society
edrock85 2 years ago 4
$22,750? insurance companies deny health care for much less
Punisher2all 2 years ago 4
MUCH less, if you can get insurance, which I can't.
SessionSavant 2 years ago
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That's what Obamacare is all about. A socialist system of single payers where everyone(except congress) shares a smaller pie.Oh and there will be only one type of pie btw...
grabac9 2 years ago
search youtube: 'believing ain't what it used to be'
tomvband 2 years ago
"Life and death medical decisions should be made by patients and doctors..."
I agree. Except that in the U.S., these decisions are made by insurance companies....if you can afford insurance. If you can't, you go bankrupt. What a great system!
The conservative Club for Growth is full of lies and full of shit, as usual.
dougmanjones 2 years ago 11
Wait.. what exactly did they lie about? That is true, maybe you are the one who is full of shit.
Curt7is 2 years ago
No, it's definitely them
dougmanjones 2 years ago
@dougmanjones
Insurance companies are more trustworthy than government will ever be.
Conservatism is the truth. All lies come from the left. All truth comes from the right.
herbs814 1 year ago
@herbs814 - Are you being sarcastic? I honestly can't tell. Either what you wrote is really stupid...or pretty funny.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones
Are you being sarcastic or just stupid? Private companies are always more trustworthy than government. Private companies gain their customers honestly by providing them a service that customers would VOLUNTARILY choose to pay for. Government is dishonest because it uses FORCE to coerce people to give them money. That alone is irrefutable proof that private companies are always more trustworthy than government... and that government is always more of a threat than any private biz.
herbs814 1 year ago
@herbs814 - Yeah, private companies are always more trustworthy....like Enron, Goldman Sachs, AIG. And you're crazy naiive if you really think that all private companies get their customers volunarily, especially health insurance companies! BCBS has 80% of the market in Arkansas. You think that's because their customers like them so much?! Making a profit off of other people's health (or lack thereof) is not only immoral, but bad business to boot.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones
It is GOVERNMENT that causes all monopolies by limiting competition through regulation. The problem behind healthcare is the fault of excessive government intrusion.
Making a profit by conducting private business and voluntary exchange is completely moral. It is government that is immoral.
Private enterprise is the solution. Government is the problem.
herbs814 1 year ago
You need to do some reading on what caused the Great Depression, the Savings and Loan Scandal of the 80s and about what caused our current financial depression. No offense, but you're an idealogue who doesn't know what he's talking about. I know saying things like "government is the problem" sounds good, but have you ever stopped to really think about what that means? You should, or else risk sounding uninformed and silly.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones
The cause of all financial problems since 1913 has been the GOVERNMENT (Federal Reserve, FDIC, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, FHA, Community Reinvestment Act, etc.)
The government is always the problem.
The market is always the solution.
herbs814 1 year ago
@herbs814 - You do realize that lack of government intervention helped to exacerbate the Great Depression and that lack of regulation caused the current depression, right? What am I saying? Of course you don't. You're a Ronald Reagan parrot - Government is the problem, government is the problem, government is the problem, etc. Blah, blah, blah. Classic right wing stuff - repeat bullshit over and over until you believe it.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones
No, Government intervention exacerbated the Depression. Government regulation exacerbated the Depression.
Government caused the Depression.
Government exacerbated the Depression.
Government prolonged the Depression.
It was tax cuts and deregulation that cured the ills of government intrusion.
Government is the problem. Free markets are always the solution.
You can't spew left-wing lies and expect anyone to believe your nonsense.
herbs814 1 year ago
@herbs814 - I get it. You're doing a parody. Took me a minute to catch on. Good stuff.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones
Government is not the answer to our problems. GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM.
herbs814 1 year ago
@herbs814 - Yes, I heard you. Like I said, funny stuff, man.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones
This is the truth. If you pretend otherwise, you will always remain a slave to the government. Government is the most corrupt and most evil institution. Government is the focus of man's inhumanity to man. Grow a brain and reject your slavery. Or you will always be a victim.
All good comes from the private sector.
All evil comes from the government.
herbs814 1 year ago
@herbs814 Then You should not pay taxes to the evil government to run police and armed forces. Only those who wants these institutions should voluntarily pay for them. Right?
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES i love that argument by leftist cowards like yourself.. no one believes that government should not exist.. rather their duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.. what, did you get that statement from media matters? you looked up on google how to win arguments against those who dont support big government?
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 Yes, protect the people. So, why not protect them even from deceases and unhealth? Why shall others pay to protect You from murderers and robbers, if You don't want to pay to protect them from deceases? Locig is nothing for You, is it?
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES no thats not what this health care bill is about and you know it.. this bill is a government takeover giving massive powers to branches of government.. look no one is against reform but it has to be done right
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 Well, I'm not an American citizen. Actually, I live in Sweden. Here we have a government controlled health insurence. We still pay about the equal of $20 when we see doctors at "open clinics" and a fee depending on incom per day at hospitals. When we have reached a certain sum, it's free for the rest of the year. No one is thrown out from clinics or hospitals because of lack of money, and no one is forced to sell his house or take a big loan to pay his doctor.
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES ok you live i nsweden exactly.. you dont know how this country works but you think you do.. unlike socialist sweden where the government hands you everything, this country was built on hard work and dedication.. we (at least those of us left) believe that if you work hard, you shouldnt have to pay for those who don't.. that is what this country stands for.. yes your system works over there because of your population; however government controlled health care will not work here
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 "Socialist"... I wouldn't agree. Since some years we have a right-wing government in the process of privatizing everything. How about those who are born handicapped or who can't get a job? Who never can afford a private health care? Are they worthless in Your system? Isn't it true that a private insurence company can decide what doctor You must go to? And which medicin they will pay for? Not so here in Sweden. We are free to choose our doctors.
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES lazy and handicapped are 2 different things and they are represented differently here in america.. your statement is true.. but government can and does deny more coverage than insurance companies and heres why.. insurance compaines have alot of money, however government does not.. which do you think will deny more?
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 I've never been denied any treatment or medicin, not gone bankrupt, or had to take a loan despite four major operations (appendix, hernia and a ruptured knee). My wife got hospitalized two months because of complications when she had our child. No economical problems att all. Your system is juste ONLY if ALL those who want a job with sufficient income to buy a good health care insurence really can get such a job. Are You sure they ALL can? No laying offs? No unemployments in USA?
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES government health care works in your country because of your population.. we have more people here uninsured than your total population.. if we just added them to the hospital list like that the hospitals would become plugged and care would be rationed.. as you can see im not against reform im against government run health care
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 So, better to leave those out to suffer and die, who can't afford treatment, than to pay a little higher taxes to give all citizens a worthwile life (and they would stay in the way for the richer ones in the hospitals)? That's a real cynical way to run a nation... I must say, I'm no great admirer of the American way of life. I feel too much sympathy for the sick and poor...
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES thats the problem.. you just want us to pay " a little more".. the top 1% already pay 70% of the taxes in this country.. i dont want to pay anymore taxes.. i pay enough already.. yea i have sympathy for the poor, i give away more than you earn every year to charity so dont tell me i dont care about the suffering and sick
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 In my opinion, suffering citizens are the governments, the states responsibility, not charitys. OK, those who pay 70% of the taxes, what % of the income and consumption do they have? I still can't see why those who have nothing to steal shall pay for Your protection against criminals via the tax-financed police, while You don't want to contribute to their chances to get medical treatment. Not very fair...
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES they take in 40% of the income.. its all on the tax chart.. as i said before, government first duty is to protect not run.. this health care bill doesn't improve care for anyone, it basically just gives the government more power.. im not against reform, it has to be done right
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 OK. I haven't studied the bill in detail, but I still think it's the states responsibility to not just finance police and military, but also see to that all it's citizens can have basic mecical treatment. All humans have the same value.
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES yes all humans have the same value.. they have the same value to make efforts with their lives.. anyone can go to school, there is financial aid available for anyone who wants to try.. they can go to school, get a degree, and get a job that offers health insurance.. thats all i ask for is for people to try
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 The question is: Are there really jobs offering health care (or enough paid to buy a health care insurance) to have for ALL at the same time? Not all unemployed are just lazy, You know...
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES yes, obviosuly besides walmart.. but walmart is putting urgent care places in their stores so employees can actually use them without paying to cover insurance... of course not all unemployed are lazy, theres no question, but i would like to determine the amount of money they get by the amount of time they spend looking for work.. there should not be an incentive to have more kids just because more money is coming
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 Well, as long as everyone who really wants a job that can give him/her a decent life can't have such a job, it should be the societies duty to at least gime him/her somewhere to live, something to eat and basic healthcare. After all, a society is not about being selfish and egoistic, it's about supporting each others. Otherwise, why have a society at all? And we all are "heard-animals"...
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES right, but society should help those that want to help themselves..its not about being selfish as you said, rather needs to be encouraging people to make effort
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 Yes, but if you, despite all your efforts, can't find a way to support yourself? Such things happen all the time, all over the world, You know. Even in USA. Then it's the societies responsibility to do something. Otherwise, people are going to lie and die of starvation and sickness all over, while those who have managed to lay their hands on the majority of the resources, live in luxury and just say: "They don't try hard enough, and I'm not going to give them anything".
YDDES 1 year ago
@YDDES like i said before, if you try and dont succeed, then you are entitled to help.. how that would be regulate, i have no clue but thats just what i believe. .the thing is, i give enough, i give away a lot to charity and pay alot of taxes already so it is not like i am selfish with my money.. i dont want people to die and starve in the streets and i am willing to help but they have to meet me halfway
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@dougmanjones Go read: "New Deal, or Raw Deal>", by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. Also "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, " by Wolfgang Schivelbusch
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius - I've actually read New Deal, or Raw Deal- these guys' theories have made their way into social studies textbooks in Texas. They're not particularly well-written. You should read 'ill Fares the Land" by Tony Judt. Now this guy is smart.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones First we are not in a depression retard. Second goverment is the problem that let to the houseing collapse by backing banks who would offer loans to anyone who wanted to buy any house at any price without any type of down payment.
Yea that was goverment injecting itself into the free market. How about you offer some facts rather than just cast blame.
danielsonrg 1 year ago
@danielsonrg - You're right. We're not in a Depression. We narrowly avoided one by injecting capital into the banks and with the stimulus. In other words, government intervention prevented a financial catastrophe. Not sure what your point was. And why call me a retard? What are you, 10 years old?
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones Avoided? Are you serious, just because the savior said that the worst is behind us, you're going to believe him? Oh the worst is yet to come, when China comes knocking on the USA door and wants all there money back. How are we going to pay that back? Oh I know the same solution your savior did for the stimulus print more money, and make your dollar worth as much as china's rice (or whatever they use for currency)
danielsonrg 1 year ago
@danielsonrg Oh yea let's see how the stimul package works for those Bush Tax Cuts that everyone is going to lose in a couple months. Probably more jobs lost and a sour growth in the economy. But the again you'll probably tell me I'm wrong because your savior said it's already fixed.
danielsonrg 1 year ago
@danielsonrg - Do you really think that intergovernmental finance operates the same way as a check cashing stand? Nations owing $ is very, very different than individuals (or even companies) owing $. It's macro, not micro, dude.
And actually, the dollar is doing ok at the moment, despite what Glenn Beck says. He just says it isn't because his sponsor is a gold investment company.
Oh, and "the savior" are your words, not mine, pal.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones only un-informed liberal morons like you believe the dollar is doing fine.. we have no fed funds rate and no discount rate and the FED is printing money faster than the speed of light.. how in the hell is the dollar fine?
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@dougmanjones you really have a mental disorder.. and that is liberalism.. you believe that hard working americans like me should pay for losers like you.. its not my fault you didnt go to school and made an effort with your life, dont expect me to foot the bill
ofcccaddy2004 1 year ago
@ofcccaddy2004 - I went to school. I have a job. I have health insurance. What the hell are you talking about?
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones you are the one that is full of shit, you weak pathetic liberal, you don't have the strength or courage to take care of your own business, you NEED me to pick up the slack for your sorry little socialist ass, go phuck yourself.
oscarmacaroni 10 months ago
@oscarmacaroni - Actually, jackass, I have my own health insurance. I wasn't just thinking about myself; I was thinking about others. You should try it sometime.
dougmanjones 10 months ago
this ad is a bunch of bull shit..they dont let people die in England, only here in America they will let you die if you don't have the money, dont you get it...Private insurance are business looking for profit, they dont give a shit about your health...
zaboomafoo25 2 years ago 2
Any system.... that can't provide affordable care to all its people.... but can pay its managers multi million dollar salaries and buy them mansions and buy them private jets ...is an immoral system
givethemahand 2 years ago
Live free or Die!
I myself never use the Interstate Hwy system and I seldom drink water because the highways and most of the water distribution in the US was paid for with dollars stolen trough taxation. And what is it with the US Air Force anyway? Show me where in the constitution it calls for an Air Force? Shut down the air force now!
Gotta go...I am heading over to my Grandma's house to to pull the plug on her Medicare (government) funded medical devices and snatch back her meds.
givethemahand 2 years ago
Cry Socialism!
If you don't know what socialism is...its OK...just yell louder!
givethemahand 2 years ago
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herbs- "insurance companies make money by satisfying customers"
Thats one of the most ignorant posts I have ever heard.
Insurance companies have very little history of "satisfying customers" They do however have a history of rationing care. They ration care all the time.
"Free Market" health insurance has NOT shown the American people that it is a trustworthy system.
You worship a false God.
You worshipfFree market" millionaires at the expense of your fellow Americans.
Shame on you.
givethemahand 2 years ago
if you actually dispute that private companies make money by satisfying customers, not infuriating them, then you are completely brainwashed. private business is always more responsive and more agreeable than government. your slavish worship of government is disgusting. how could you possibly hate freedom so much?
herbs814 2 years ago
herbs- health Insurance companies do not operate in a "free market" you twit.
They are monopolies.
The health care bill you are trying to kill actually forces them to compete through an "Insurance exchange".
But we wouldn't want a real 'free market"...just the phony one your millionaire masters have brainwashed you into worshiping.
givethemahand 2 years ago
it is government favoritism (socialism) that allows them to have de facto oligopoly status. Obama's burdensome regulations only serve to restrict their competition and further entrench the oligopoly of favored insurance cronies. The best remedy to the cartelization of insurance companies is less government, more free market; exactly the opposite of what Obama and the democrats are so eager to impose on us.
herbs814 2 years ago
herbs- one more time:
The bill you are trying to defeat promotes competition across state-lines and sets up an insurance exchange where the companies compete on price and benefits.
You seem to be against the very thing you claim you are for. i.e competition among the insurance companies.
Your rhetoric, I'm sure sounds good in the echo chamber of your narrow, angry, fearful mind. However, reality and your rhetoric are currently at odds.
But you really don't care about reality.. do you?
givethemahand 2 years ago
And while you're at it, tell your congress puppet you oppose govt run education.. that is "rationed", only a select few can attend the finest colleges on govt loans.. the others can strip, deal dope or suck a dick.
And govt run policing (protection) that is rationed, sorry we dont have enough cops to protect everyone all the time.
I'm sick of the govt rationing asphalt, frikn pot hole gave me a flat... zzzzzz
Govtflu 2 years ago
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herbs814 2 years ago
you actually support government education???
stealing from working Americans, to condemn children to inferior schools, and unaccountable brats (union teachers)? harassing parents who exercise their right to school their children themselves. having our children ripped away from us and condemned to atheistic, anti-capitalist indoctrination. government education is an evil system that has no place in a free society and no justification under our constitution. marxist education is evil.
herbs814 2 years ago
"Life is not worth prolonging" ahahaha... how could anybody actually believe this bullshit...
Benino1107 2 years ago
I don't know how, but the British NHS really believes that they have the right to restrict people's health care. Which is why British people pull their own teeth or flee to America to get decent health care. If Obama destroys the American health system, where will these persecuted British people turn to for healthcare? Where will persecuted Americans turn to for healthcare?
herbs814 2 years ago
what a load of dog shit.
bigfootuk82 2 years ago
Government healthcare is a load of shit.
Private healthcare is the only moral choice.
herbs814 2 years ago
The insurance companies have bureaucrats rationing / denying care already... so whats the difference?
We all will eventually die under either system, sorry to say.
Govtflu 2 years ago
Government rationing is always worse than private "rationing". Government tyranny is always worse than the choices you have among private companies.
herbs814 2 years ago
Subjective at best. Other nations make it work.
At least with govt rationing there is a small sliver of hope the people have influence, we have public servants to petition.
Insurance companies need to be sued, and good luck with that. They have a platoon of lawyers ready to kick your dead ass into the dirt...
Either way, a bureaucrat Grim Reaper awaits.. a greedy one who can ignore you, Vs an incompetent one that can be protested.. you still die at the end.
Govtflu 2 years ago
people have more influence with their pocketbook than they will ever have with corrupt politicians. the government is more greedy AND more incompetent. the market is always better than the government. no empty promises from politicians are ever worse forfeiting our rights and submitting to government control. not ever.
herbs814 2 years ago
Pocketbook? by the time you realize your insurance co. is rationing you, it's waaay too late.
They already have all your money by the time you're 3/4 dead with cancer.. its only then you find out they consider expensive life saving / extending surgery / meds "experimental".. you just got rationed.
You cant take your "pocketbook" elsewhere because of an expensive "pre-existing condition"... damn, rationed again.
Govtflu 2 years ago
what's it like to always live in fear and hate everyone? why can't you accept responsibility and quite blaming insurance? pay for your own care.
herbs814 2 years ago
Pay for what I earned from the VA?.. silly.
I personally experienced insurance co rationing with a family member who paid a-lot for her own insurance. Instead of calling treatment "too expensive", they use the term "experimental".. From there she was left no option to take her "pocketbook" elsewhere.
This is not unique, they make billions in profit by rationing care.. who doesn't know that?
Govtflu 2 years ago
insurance companies make money by satisfying customers and retaining customers, not by "rationing care." your hatred for free markets, capitalism, and private insurance has made you utterly delusional. you make no sense at all.
herbs814 2 years ago
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givethemahand 2 years ago
The NHS was born out of a long-held ideal that good healthcare should be available to all, regardless of wealth. 50 million Americans cannot afford health care. In the UK those people would be treated free of charge.
The World Health Organisation ranks Britain's healthcare as 18th in the world, while the US is in 37th place.
In the US the insurance companies decide who will live and who will die
This ad campaign is fabricated and it's based upon a bundle of frosted lies.
KristoferHenderson 2 years ago 9
NHS was born out of a greedy intent to steal people's liberty and property and condemn them to government tyranny. The government provides nothing "free of charge" without stealing from people first. Government is not a provider; government is a thug and a thief.
herbs814 2 years ago
yeah, cos insurance companies are such nice guys.
beejhoukate 2 years ago
@beejhoukate
Insurance companies are the innocent victims of government persecution.
herbs814 2 years ago
@KristoferHenderson
The NHS was born out of a tyrannical desire to control and enslave the people of the UK. There was never anything idealistic about it. NHS was always evil, is always evil, and always will be evil. Private healthcare is the ONLY moral choice.
herbs814 1 year ago
fuckin america dragging the UK in to there crap Nhs is one of the best things in GB and the vast majority of brits are proud and this vid is DIS INFO
TheCorruptA 2 years ago 3
i believe it was bill hicks who pointed out that if you collapse on the street your wallet will be checked before your pulse.
this is pure ignorance.
maudievort 2 years ago
Sicko, to all yanks, watch film by Michael More, Sicko, its a eye opener. I am brit and Iove my NHS, I wouldn't have it any other way, in US if you don't have insurance and you are ill, you die, if you have insurance but your insurance company won't pay, you die, in UK, you don't see ppl die, bc of no medical insurance or profits before health coverage, in UK ppl live to the rope old age, and do not go bankrupt if they can't afford medical care.
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
What a load of tripe!
buytees 2 years ago
Why are we being dragged into this?
These are disgusting lies. And more than a little bit insulting.
For it's issues I'm proud of our NHS and am glad we have it.
LilCrazyKim 2 years ago
"Life and death medical decisions should...not be made by politicians and bureaucrats" so who should control the army, the most socialised movement in the world.
NHS may be inefficient but at least they won't leave me dying on the street because I have a pre condition I forgot to disclose, or because I cannot afford it. Also how many Americans are commenting here most seem to be foreign.
markomac316 2 years ago
Crikey, the American right do talk some bollocks, don't they?
jumfumbliferous 2 years ago 3
The $22750 cost is a dreamed up cost of 'Sutend' used for kidney cancers (less than the $49000pa cost specified by NICE). It's really wounding (to a UK citizen) how the NHS is misrepresented by the US Attack adverts and their apologists. I've paid private medical insurance for 25 years but still rely on the NHS to treat serious ailments. I was also treated in hospital by the NHS for the first year of my life. I have NO regrets at paying National Health Contributions or a proportion of inc taxes!
nick987789 2 years ago
$49,715(£30,000) is the true sum and its not for 6 mounths its the life time cost for a average parson douche bag cunts!!!
hekk414 2 years ago
The uk still has private healthcare too.... Wow now your advert is completely irrelevant.
Jaykax 2 years ago
Repug Sociopaths don't let facts get in the way of their manias -look at the freak Sarah Palin! God, I feel sad 4 my country. Sick on so many levels.
Dacktyl 2 years ago
demoncrats are greedy thugs who are intent on stealing our liberty and property and condemning us into slavery (socialized "health" care).
herbs814 2 years ago
you poor, misguided fool. I love socialized medicine! I can't wait until we join the rest of the civilized world and end this PAY OR DIE system Have a wonderful life crying about the evils of socialism as you collect your Social Security check!
Dacktyl 2 years ago
I can't wait until we abolish socialist insecurity, mediscare, and government education.
a "pay or die" system is INFINITELY BETTER than a do what the government says or die system. Private healthcare is INFINITELY BETTER than government health care.
herbs814 2 years ago
Ha ha ha! How typically Christian of you! Poor soul. I wonder if you'll beg for forgiveness on your deathbed like Lee Atwater did? I'm sure you'll be the first one lining up for your government benefits! Enjoy them!
Dacktyl 2 years ago
Private health care is moral.
Socialized health care is immoral.
That will never change.
herbs814 2 years ago
i think herbs has trollitus. If you were in the UK we could treat that for you.
beejhoukate 2 years ago
@beejhoukate
The UK's healthScare tyranny is an EVIL that I would NEVER submit to.
herbs814 2 years ago
@herbs814 Huh. Really? My wife can walk into a clinic here in Canada and see a MD in less then an hour. She can see our Family MD 2x a year for check ups. She can see a specialist in less then a week if any MD thinks she is sick. She can do all of this free. Every Canadian can. Same in the UK. They even pay for your bus/cab ride to get to the hospital in the UK! How is that immoral? Why are so many Americans coming up here to see our MDs?
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine
Completely backwards. Canadian MDs are coming to America because the tyrannical Canadian government is capping the number of procedures they can do in Canada. All government-controlled healthcare schemes are evil schemes that impose tyranny upon their victims. Government healthcare is always evil. Free-market healthcare alone is moral.
herbs814 1 year ago
As the only person in this conversation who has lived in both countries let me assure you that of the thousands of Canadians I've had the pleasure of talking with none hated socialized medicine. I've never met a Canuk who had to run and pay cash in the US rather then use there free healthcare. Canadians immigrate to the US, UK, AUS all the time...it has nothing to do with tyranny and everything to do with getting married to a foreigner. Come visit Canada and see the oppression for yourself!
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine
As the only person in this conversation who understands morality (or economics) let me assure you that socialized medicine is entirely evil with absolutely no excuse or justification at all. Anyone who does not hate socialized medicine is not moral. All honest people hate socialized medicine. Just like grass is green, socialized medicine is evil. It is nothing more than coveting what does not belong to you and asking the government to STEAL it from whom it actually belongs.
herbs814 1 year ago
Canadians favor this by 99%.They voted on it 3 years ago and refused to even discuss partial-privatization. It is wildly popular. I fail to see how you can judge either my morality or my economic views having never met me. I do however find it sad that when given a chance to come to Canada and see for yourself you just attack and spit at me. I wish you well in whatever it is you call a "life" but I will thank you to not speak on something you've chosen continued ignorance on.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine
Privatization is a moral imperative. Anyone who voted against privatization is ignorant or evil. Only privatization is moral.
LOL. I am laughing at the thought of subjecting oneself to the TYRANNY of government healthcare. That would be like volunteering to be tortured. HELL NO. Private healthcare is ALWAYS superior to government healthcare. Anyone who is not brainwashed knows this.
herbs814 1 year ago
@herbs814 If you say so. The fact that you can't directly respond to what I say, nor have facts to backup your thoughts leads me to believe you are parroting someone else's view and don't know what you are talking about. Further since you refused my invitation you must know you are wrong, which is worse. Feel free to continue your diatribe but arguments that call me evil and stupid with no foundation in logic or fact sound more religious then anything else and I don't debate the obvious.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine
I have backed up everything I've said. Just what is it that you were too dense to understand??
Your invitation to INFERIORITY and TYRANNY would be refused by ANYONE with any intelligence or morality. The fact that you would even make such a terrible offer just shows your ignorance and/or depravity.
Logic shows that free markets are the solution to every healthcare problem... and that government intrusion is the cause of every healthcare problem. What do you not understand?
herbs814 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine For a "moral person" you lie an awful lot. Your quote was Dr. Anne Doig. It took me a while to find since you cut a bunch out. Like the fact that she wasn't talking about privatizing healthcare. She was talking about offer suplements through employers. Hardly the same thing. ""It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."" So she met with the UK, France, etc...NOT the US.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine
The fact was she WAS talking about private competition being necessary to save the broken system. You are lying or blind if you didn't see that.
The Canadian healthcare system is broken. Privatization is the ONLY way it can ever be fixed.
herbs814 1 year ago
@herbs814 PS - Sometimes grass is brown.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine
PS. The president of the Canadian Medical Association admits that the government healthcare system is BROKEN: "We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize.... (private) competition should be WELCOMED, not feared.... That's called looking at the evidence."
Intelligent Canadians, especially doctors, admit that government healthcare is flawed and private competition is required to fix it.
herbs814 1 year ago
@herbs814 Name your source. I guarantee you that you are quote mining. Just a few to many ... in the statement to be an accurate quote. List the link for us....hmm?
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine
The Canadian Press (Saskatoon) - August 15, 2009
quotes by Dr. Anne Doig, president of Canadian Medical Association in an interview with the Canadian Press
(Of course, if you just looked up the quotes, you would know that I am being truthful. But you just like to PRETEND otherwise because you know that I am right and you are wrong. Just admit it. You'll feel better to stop lying and admit it.)
herbs814 1 year ago
Damn right wingers... This kind of Fox-esque untruth is why Americans are perceived as stupid - they are given such poor quality information! Fact remains that our 'socialist evil' medical system is better in WHO rankings than the USA's, and we spend less per capita than America do.
buckyohaire 2 years ago
as much as i do support the NHS, no-one can doubt that there are problems, and what about medication that is refused to cancer patients by NCTs because it costs too much?
I have a feeling that it's those stories that have inspired this completely misled campaign.
playgirlc 2 years ago
what complete crap, written by someone who doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about!
playgirlc 2 years ago 2
The decisions are made by insurance companies with profit in mind over lives in YOUR system.
Stop LYING about our NHS!
newellfisher 2 years ago
pffffft...
As stated many times in comments on this blog, we in the UK spend less on healthcare than the US but manage to have a higher rated standard or care, as well as longer life expectancy.
US healthcare is run exclusively to make money for rich people, even if that means denying people's healthcare claims and letting them die.
tobyisgreat 2 years ago
And what if the PATIENT can't afford that made up figure of $22,750?
jhgilliatt 2 years ago
Fuck off, i prefer the NHS, to what you have you skank.
visitthornaby 2 years ago 2
Didnt the right wing recently welcome £11.6 trillion of taxpayers money to save coroporates/banks? Yet they oppose using taxpayers money to actually help the people whose money it actually is - absurd. This video is a disgrace & for the benefit of the healthcare industry & their greed and NOT the people who have the right to have healthcare.
amirbaz 2 years ago 2
Basically:
Left wing cares about people
Right wing cares about business
Simples :)
jhgilliatt 2 years ago
lying pigs. The PAY OR DIE sick care in the US kills people EVERY DAY! Every single American has a story about someone without coverage who suffers. Repug pigs care only for themselves- when it affects them they "see the light" - selfishness is a virtue to them.
Dacktyl 2 years ago 2
LIES LIES LIES
If you beleive this then you must one hell of a thicko!!
rshotton23 2 years ago
This is utter rubbish ..peddled by the rightwing special interest groups & the healthcare industry in the US . Shame on you for distorting the truth ...
Manoham 2 years ago 3
There are people who are voicing their opinion on these lies! From the 10000 posts per minute on twitter to the 100 comments on youtube. There is also a group of 200+ on facebook called 'American Conservatives putting the NHS in a negative light is wrong!'
Kirklandsuper 2 years ago
Absolute rubbish. As a British citizen who is proud of the National Health Service, I can assure everything that this is not the case. The video is completely made up.
coffeemadman 2 years ago
The World Health Organisation ranks Britain's healthcare as 18th in the world, while the US is in 37th place.
The UK spends less per head on healthcare but has a higher life expectancy than the US.
If British voter could vote for the current US system, they would reject it overwhelmingly.
hedgiecc 2 years ago 4
lies lies lies!
JackCalico 2 years ago
This is rubbish. I am British and there are no caps on the money spent to treat ill people. Also, the NHS does not mean you cannot use your own health insurance as well as or instead of the NHS if you want more rapid treatment or cosmetic surgery,
This video is entirely false, as no doubt the makers know perfectly well.
marcoscu 2 years ago
Complete and utter rubbish composed by ignorant idiots.
zebrambizi 2 years ago
The liars who made this presumably know it bears no relation to anything that actually happens in the British NHS. Two more points Americans should bear in mind before making their own political decision:
(i) anyone in Britain can take out their own health insurance if they prefer, or buy their own treatment. Few choose to, because most trust the NHS;
(ii) private health insurers in the US, pay a huge army of their own bureaucrats to second-guess medical decisions.
johnsoane 2 years ago
ok... so lets suppose you can afford healthcare insurance. If you get sick.. all that is going to happen is they will employ a loss adjuster to invalidate your claim and policy... just like any other insurance policy. Insurance of anything is a con, healthcare is no different no one is ever 'covered'.
My question is why entrust the healthcare of a nation to a system which when applied to healthcare possesses a positive intensive to killing people for cash.
paradox008 2 years ago
Aye sure...If you can afford to talk to a doctor in the first place. At least here we get the chance to talk to a doctor if we split our head, if we get cancer we dont end up in debt.
mtbsmyth 2 years ago
UK NHS: The NHS provides health care from cradle to grave. The service is free at the point of delivery for all UK Citizens, regardless of race, gender, or wealth.
So, what happens to the poor USA citizens who have no health insurance - shown the hospital exit door and told to go and die in their own beds at home or on the street?
SHAME!
sarffi 2 years ago 2
The NHS doesn't stop you form having treatment if the cost goes beyond a certain amount. It's fricking NHS you get cared for whatever the cost!
This is truly disgraceful and sick what they spouting with their lies.
I would of thought it would the the American Insurance system that means everything is based on cost. This needs to be corrected
GBHardy 2 years ago
Are Yanks REALLY this stupid? Or is it only the rich ones that can afford to pay for better healthcare that are trying to screw things up for the poor and needy? What about people who are born with defects, like me, that would never be able to get health insurance - what would we do for healthcare in America? People like me would have to pay for that $22,750 out of our own pockets, or just die sooner.
Yes, it isn't perfect, but No, it certainly isn't Evil.
anonemouse000 2 years ago 2
this advert is utter, utter bollocks. if you don't understand economics don't try and spread lies. I am incredibly proud of the NHS. A lot of people don't understand how bad healthcare was before the NHS. Ask anyone who was around before its introduction. My mum was treated incredibly quickly and received wonderful life saving health care by the NHS. I love the NHS.
40-odd million Americans with no health insurance? US health care rated 37th in the world? sounds great.
dwjp 2 years ago 3
Healthcare is a human right not a privilege. The free market has nothing to do with it.
paradox008 2 years ago
Since when do doctors and patients make the decisions here in the US? Insurance companies do!
Tracymmo 2 years ago
Is anyone going to try to defend this shit?
No? Good.
AgentDJA 2 years ago
To misquote a great man: The NHS is the worst form of healthcare besides all the others.
Niiauyr 2 years ago
Winston Churchill was Evil - and the NHS is to.
RicoRichmond 2 years ago
This is a disgrace.
The NHS looks after British citizens from cradle to the grave.
No system is perfect but more people are neglected under the US system than that of the UK.
They say we have "death panels" deciding who lives and who dies. It's complete fiction.
"No society ca