I bet the caller somehow finds a way to remain a christian.
Caller: "Oh. We have trees. Of course God exists. Matt doesn't know what he's talking about. And the trees help us to breathe. An immoral God wouldn't be that nice. I feel so much happier now. Praise God."
When anyone says we are not up to "god's standards" they basically are removing this god from the same moral requirements that we are being subjected to by that belief. It is basic hypocrisy, like a parent that says, "Do as I say not as I do." Only children would accept that and likely only until they grow up to know better. I've stung my own parents as hypocrites myself.
It is shocking how little knowledge of the bible many Christians have. You'd think they'd want to familiarise themselves, in detail, with the position of the creator of the entire universe. The creator of the ENTIRE fucking universe & he wrote a book!
Pity; it's an interesting collection of stories (&some woefully boring genealogies, detailed descriptions of tabernacles, etc.) & it's a fundamental part of our cultural heritage.
These muppets believe what's in it, without knowing what's in it.
And some fun laws about how you have to stone your own child for not listening to you and a few other (read many) laws we consider immoral these days.
The free will argument is full of shit. It ignores sociology. It ignores awareness. It ignores human patriarchal values. Then again, Christianity, as a religion, does not depend on any kind of truth. It is a shame there are so many people who adopt it.
What about these men, who were Atheists: Alfred Kinsey, exploited children for sex. Napoleon. Than Shwe. Kim Jong 11, responsible for 94 million deaths. Jefrey Dahmer. Jim Jones. Mussolini. Mao Zedong, responsible for 67 million deaths, 36 million were tortured. Pol Pot, 2.5 million deaths. Joseph Stalin, 10-60 million deaths.
No matter how many people have died by the hand of religious war, it pales in comparrision to these Atheist fiends.
@Zwemer100 Not true! These Atheist "evil doers" are not even close to the misdeeds caused by religious folk. Take the priest cock out of your ass and take off the jesus glasses. Religion is comepletely fake and has brought countless misery to the world!
@Zwemer100 Actually, Napolean, Mussolini, and Stalin was Catholic, Kim Jong Il is Buddhist as was Mao Zedong and Than Shwe, Jeffrey Dahmer was Penocaustal, Alfred Kinsley was agnostic, plus he didn't "exploint" children for sex, he was a researcher, and he pioneered the research of sexuality in humans, and Jim Jones was a devout Christian, he was just corrupt to the tricks they use which he used for his own gain.
Stalin was an atheist. There is nothing to suggest he was theist. Dunno enough about Mao Zedong. But I thought he was an atheist too. But not sure as I haven't studied his life enough.
I think the thing you are missing here is that God has wrath and anger and that wrath was poured out upon Jesus, that too was a sacrifice. But human sacrifice does not exist anymore, it was poured out upon Christ His only son, the wrath of God is a side that I don't think people like to know about.
The only reason we are all alive today, is because of the Grace of God, He would wipe us all out at this very moment. I wish this man would debate a Christian who knows what He is talking about?.
@TheMindofCory Actually Genesis and exodus describes God in to not being a divine entity or superpower. God is actually a small minded asshole on the Genesis and exodus. The reason for the banishment from eden is actually not because of eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of nolidge of good and evil as people often think. It's because after Adam and Eve eat the fruit of nolidge of good and evil they have that nolidge and it only belongs to God. After that God wants to prevent humans eating
@Erholts from the tree of life and live forever 'cause (according to Genesis) that would make men equal to God.
He is so determined to prevent men eating from the tree of life that he then puts some supernatural creatures and a flaming sword to guard the way to the tree of life. So the reason for banishment from the eden is NOT because Adam and Eve did against Gods orders. God actually lies to Adam and Eve and says they will die if they eat from the tree of nolidge of good and evil.
@Erholts So even the basic argument from the Christians that God gave men a free will is actually bullshit. God didn't give men free will according to bible. He did everything to prevent men from getting free will. He first lied about the tree and told A and E would die if they eat from it and once they did he made sure that they where banished so they would not get another great power belonging to God and that is eternal life.
Who are you to tell God what to do or what He can or cannot do. Yes, God has ordered ancient wars and justice to be done, in an old Testament context. Yes, God has endorsed those texts which many Christians ignore or simply don't read.
If you don't like Him for it, then don't like Him. But, I won't argue my way out of it, God can do what He wants.
Mankind is due for moving to a higher consciousness plane. The same way the suffering of gazelles killed by lions make the species stronger, the suffering of mankind will help us move to the next consciousness level. A greater good comes for the species. The next level is the rejection of greed, materialism and selfishness. Our current capitalist system need to collapse in order to achieve this. If you're not ready spiritually, and doesn't move up, you'll suffer. This is happening now, seek God.
@SissingPyd God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. Therefore is plausible that God exists.
@SissingPyd God is energy and to be in tune with energy, you need to be in it's same wavelength. The same with God, you need to be in His wavelength to be saved. Buddhists call it Nirvana or Enlightenment, Hindus call that Moksha, Islam calls it Taubah and we call it living in Grace. There's only one Divine Consciousness with many names and dogmas, but just one reality. You can be spiritual and be one with God consciousness without religion, but to get somewhere, a map is always helpful.
@dejesusluisx I warned you, HE (parmesan be upon him) will come for you and dip you in sauce.
Perhaps you should determine which wavelength the great and good flying spaghetti monster communicates on and beg forgiveness ASAP before it's too late..
@SissingPyd God exists, that's the accepted claim by the majority of people, you want to challenge that, bring the evidence, the burden of proof is on you. Some narrow minded atheist proposed the wrong notion that atheism doesn't require evidence and many gullible atheists had run to foolishly embrace it. Philosophically the burden of proof is in the argument challenging the establishment. What evidence you have that atheism is true? None. Open your eyes, you're being deceived by an evil cult.
@dejesusluisx No, please keep explaining your complex hypothesis. The existence of an entity as pure energy is interesting and almost plausible. It falls down when one considers the communication difficulties and interacting with the material universe. The fact that it is what people call the omnipotent god also needs clarification.
These things are important when determining if you are simply delusional or borderline schizophrenic.
@SissingPyd God has 100% of the attributes given to energy, so God can be defined as energy, on the other hand, energy has only a fraction of the attributes given to God, so energy can't be defined as God. There are many forms of energy and God is one of them, so God can be compared to energy but energy can't be compared to God.
@SissingPyd God is energy, conscious energy. If you ask to a goat herder living 3,000 yrs ago to describe energy, what do you think it will come with? I say is remarkable they were able to grasp concepts as infinite, immaterial, timeless, powerful, ever present and even more remarkable that energy can produce matter, something we just discover in the 20th century. That knowledge could had only come from God. God is real. Open your eyes.
@dejesusluisx@dejesusluisx It’s been a long day, I’ll try that again. This energy < conscious energy < god hypothesis is cool. Am I right in assuming that because the entity is conscious energy ie more than what we consider energy. It defies the normal measurement one would make to determine if a thing actually exists or is just a figment.
@SissingPyd Is more than a hypothesis, is reality, this reality can communicate with you, you can feel His presence. Is something you need to experience, I wish you could someday. Only your skepticism in the way.
@SissingPyd I hard to explain, you don't hear any voices or see a visions. The communication comes in many forms, mainly as moments of real understanding, as a flash of clarity. Other times comes as dreams or maybe as signs, which may appear as consequences, but only you understand. They are very personal and individual signs.
@dejesusluisx Not surprisingly I also dream and experience random events but never interpret them as "signs." I often have moments of understanding too, like now! My current flash of clarity points towards you suffering from Grandiose Delusional Disorder. I do not think you are schizophrenic, which is good news.
Please seek help for your condition. Antipsychotic drugs and more importantly cognitive therapy should help you join the rest of us in the real world. Sincere best wishes.
@SissingPyd Your ignorance won't help you. You have received the word, so you have no excuse. You have chosen not to believe, is your conscious decision not to be with God, so you should not be surprised for the consequences of your choice. You're cornering yourself in a place where the only exit door is the one you refuse to take. I planted the seed; that was my mission, now is up to you. You will not hear a voice from heaven or see a light. You will only get this message. My job is done.
@dejesusluisx We are all ignorant of many things but only ill people are delusional.
I receive many words each day, which one are you referring to?
To be with something I must first know it’s location. Tell me where and I will happily confirm the existence of this entity if present. Until then, please seek help for your psychosis and do not fly any planes into tall buildings even if your god tells you to.
The rest of your babble is incoherent and not worth a response.
@SissingPyd Things that appeared as supernatural 2,000 yrs ago are studied by science today. God might be "natural" but we are yet to discover His true nature. Is light supernatural? No, and God is described as light. Is Love supernatural? No, and God is described as Love. Is energy supernatural?. You call it supernatural because can't be explained, at least not yet. To move atoms to resurrect a body is science at it's best. I cannot see, measure or prove that love exists. I can only feel it.
@dejesusluisx No, wrong. There are many things that cant be explained. Quantum mechanics, how an electron can exists anywhere at all in the universe at any given second. But the existence of the electron is not in doubt. Fairies, unicorns, gods, demons and spaghetti monsters cant be explained but also cant be proven to exist. There is a huge difference.
Your delusion is highly complex, one of the diagnostic criteria. Look it up. Accepting the illness is part of the cure.
@SissingPyd The definition of God is in the Bible, and I didn't made up the definition of energy either. And is too much of a coincidence that the only thing in the universe capable of making matter was defined scientifically the same way God is defined biblically. I'm just putting 2+2 together. When you consider that the ancient goat herders didn't have a clue of what they were talking about, the coincidence is awesome.
@dejesusluisx Energy exists, it’s ability to do work can be predicted by calculation and then confirmed by measurements. Gods and demons are only mentioned in magic story books. their existence cant be confirmed. Show me the 2000 year old calculations predicting the work done by you energy god thing. Better still, publish it and be world famous as the first person to produce tangible evidence of the supernatural. The Nobel prize awaits. OR again sincerely, please seek medical help.
@SissingPyd Where do we go from here? We are in a crucial point in human evolution. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all selfish animal behavior is the next step in consciousness. Only our Free Will is in the way. Atheism rejects Jesus as a role model. This represents a step back in consciousness. I planted the seed; that was my mission, now is up to you. You will not hear a voice from heaven or see a light. You will only get this message. My job is done. You still have hope. GBY
@cocoman12345678910 "ur an idiot" and that was a very bright assertion from your part, right? I'm sure you think highly of yourself, probably you think you're the best atheism has to offer, and probably you might be right. Thank you for supporting all the worst stereotypes billions of theists have about atheists, you're making my day.
@Zenkai251 Not really, he just proves that many christians are ignorant of their own book, and only have blind faith without knowledge. I mean really... how can you argue with someone about your beliefs if you don't even know the all the stories and commandments in your book.
You missed the vital bit at the end..... The caller says no to Matts question and matt says something like "Then YOU are morally superiour to god". That is a zinger of a point which I can't believer you left off.
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
This guy really thinks that there is a god who tells us how to live our lives and will punish us forever if we don't behave.But he doesn't even know the one book that explains it. The thinking is just so painful.
Folks. America is absolutely full of failed fallen subhuman empty stupefied intellectual degenerates like this caller. The world needs to take this subman and offer him a lethal dose of barbiturates. For the same reason we euthanize animals when they are suffering or broken beyond repair, we need to put to sleep all religious, all 5 billion of them before a faithtard hurts a human. Its so frustrating to know that Humans go hungry when the religious get to eat and breathe at will. Awful !
@chinomoreno, God can do and will do whatever he pleases even die on the cross for your ignorance, God created us and he can do whatever he wants and who r u to question Gods desition. And there's no flawed in his creation cuz everyone on earth follow Gods ten commandments this would b a better world but u want to continue in lust, everybody lied,stoled,and sinned before God like u and instead of God destroying his creation and start over he died for us so he won't have to stop making excuses.
So he could have forgiven us for his own mistake in creating us flawed without a masochistic public flaying in mortal form? You would think the creator of the universe would have something better to do than get his ass kicked then killed by lowly humans in a dusty town.
It wouldn't even be a sacrifice for a god anyway, 1 human lifetime would be less than a wink for a god.
I would urge you to read the 10 commandments in full.
It's tragic to listen to uninformed accusations from pple who do not read the Christian account of the events.As scoffers they love the word 'zombie' - -were ' zombies' fully self-conscious beings w/perfect humanity like Jesus.
The Apostles & followers willingly died, but not like modern religious fanatics who murder.. Let's be fair and logical.....The many and varied peoples who turned to Jesus were NOT ' blindly indoctrinated'- they were DIRECT witnesses of the EVENTS of the resurrection
Cause the bible says so right? I mean what part of this story even makes sense? God has himself flayed and crucified in front of a crowd of illiterates and goat herders in bronze age Palestine to forgive the flawed nature of his own creation and satisfy his own sense of justice. Then god for shits and giggles raises a crowd of zombies on the day of his execution. 2000 years later not everyone has heard this insane story yet can expect damnation for it's rejection or plain ignorance.
uh, .not quite. Tell you want, just to assist you with your future 'apologetic' endeavors, can I suggest that you maybe first read the actual accounts of what the Christians claim to have occurred. This is a available in a book called Acts of the Apostles". It follows the Gospel of John which I also recommend to you. I also greatly recommend a work called "Simple Christianity" by N.T. Wright. Maligning and distorting your opponent's view won't win any arguments & shows weakness
Chrisitans claimthings like the natural order being suspended at Jesus' birth and death, seas were parted by fleeing Jewish captives from Egypt and God personally stuck down 1 million Cushites, for which there is no evidence. If you don't like my summary of the Jesus narrative, point out what was falsified or distorted as this is what most sects believe.
If you don't believe god killed himself to give you a chance at vicarious redemption you are in a minority sect.
It's a tragic to listen to uninformed accusations from pple who do not read the Christian account of the events.As scoffers they love the word 'zombie' - -were ' zombies' fully self-conscious beings w/perfect humanity like Jesus.
The Apostles & followers willingly died, but not like modern religious fanatics who murder.. Let's be fair and logical.....The many and varied peoples who turned to Jesus were NOT ' blindly indoctrinated'- they were DIRECT witnesses of the EVENTS of the resurrection
Not to mention, all living organisms on earth are not still all represented today since the beginning.....close to 99% of all things that ever lived on earth have died off. Earth is not a paradise in terms that we all like to think it is, it is ever changing and we are in it's eyes, amatures, children, a result of it's conditioning and evolution. We are a blink of an eye to how old the earth is.
@Antimidation if the earth was a paradise why did god create sexually transmitted diseases, paricites and human specific diseases? Truth is tthe world never was a paradise and if they think a bronze age book states otherwose they'll believe the rediculous claim snakes spoke lol
@seonidh I totally agree. The earth happens to be in a state at which we can live upon it but to it, it's just another cycle...another season. we have not been around billions of years like it has, we are spoiled and arrogant to think we are special. It just doesn't make sense to me to believe in a personal god when you look at how insignificant we are compared to the universe.
@Antimidation totally agree as Quentin crisp said "I am unable to believe in a God susceptible to prayer. I simply haven't the nerve to imagine a being, a force, a cause which keeps the planets revolving in their orbits, and then suddenly stops in order to give me a bicycle with three speeds." We are insignificant.
@jmann114 Only according to the late fist century, early second century Greek Christian wrote. I do not subscribe to the idea of sin or mythos of first century, bronze age people from the other side of the world.
@jmann114 No I am saying, as Matt has here, that having examined the ethic and morality and logic of such a statement, I find it illogical, unethical and immoral. It is a hold over from a time of utter ignorance and superstition.
Human society has long grown past the need for such barbaric and fearful nonsense and such unsupported and delusional attitudes should be relegated to the dustbin of history along with slavery, human sacrifice and dancing to make it rain.
We should also be able to live in a time where we don't take things out of context.
Human society has grown past nothing. We're in a war, a global economic disaster, cancer rates are going up, abortion rates are rising, pills are causing birth defects, more people are starving, etc. etc. etc.
Read the Bible first before taking things out context. You don't go somewhere without first knowing where you're heading. Stop taking things out of context.
@jmann114 "Where do you account for the past 10 years?"
Despite what you may think, you are safer, healthier and richer than any generation in history. There is actually less war, less death (hence the increasing human population) and greater opportunity. Crime is lower and more diseases are cured than ever before.
We have been getting better since the Enlightenment, when our society decided to dump the numbing religious dogma that kept it in the dark ages for 1000 years.
@jmann114 You remember the enlightenment? When western society stopped cowtowing to the Church and actually started doing science again?
I suggest you do a little research on the other stuff. Try "SuperFreakonomics" for a readers digest version. No, nevermind, you are more interested in wringing your hands and wailing lamentations than actually knowing the truth.
Whatever the problems we have, the answers are not found in an ancient book that advocates incest, murder and slavery.
@jmann114 "The report also finds that the overall rate of new cancer diagnoses for men and women combined decreased an average of slightly less than 1 percent per year for the same period."
From the latest report from cancer.gov for 2003 to today.
That's what happens when you base your life on fear and myth, rather than evidence and fact.
Yes, that is from cancer in general, not breast cancer. That is actually on the rise, and it is due to the mentality of our medical field. Lets hope it kills the cancer before it kills the patient. I suggest watching Bill Schnoebelen - The Medical Conspiracy.
When did I ever say science was bad? Yes, science is great when we're able to shoot radiation into somebody to get rid of... wait.. cancer? And good job taking things out of context again. I'll pray for you.
@jmann114 Bottom line, you dusty tome of a holy book has been the problem, not the solution. Its time for your silly religion to join the worship of Zoroaster, Zeus, Baal, Wotan and the myriad of other dead religions as quaint little anachronism of history.
In short, no one cares about you quoting your book. It is evidence of nothing (it wasn't even written by John) other than the feeble mindedness of a bygone era.
Or would you like to quote the vicious antisemitism of that book too?
You have an unwilling heart to believe. You can believe in yourself and believe that "man is the measure of all things." It just so happens that that MAN is going to end up taking a dirt NAP and decay and get eaten by maggots. Some measure of all things! I know Christ lives because of the simple reason of what he has done for me. He took me as a sinner, saved me from hell, and gave me a brand new life. As the song says, "You ask me how I KNOW he lives? He lives within my heart!"
@jjukil I believe in him because nobody could change me the way HE changed me. He changes people, some homeless without hope, raped, destroyed in spirit, and thinking of suicide, and THEN...the Savior steps in, and a new creature is made. Old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new. Psychology has NO explanation for the changes some people go through once they have accepted Christ as their Savior. You have an unwillingness to believe in Jesus Christ dying for your sins.
@jjukil Your so full of crap, it's hilarious. You believe macro-evolution without any evidence whatsoever, but God? Horrors, no, you can't believe THAT!
@jondabill1 Based on the research I've done on evolution, there's really no such "micro vs macro" debate among biologists. It's a red herring by some and just ignorance by others. To me, it makes no logical sense to accept micro as it's defined and reject macro as it's defined pertaining to evolution. I guess if you "desire" for evolution not to be real you'll latch on to any perceived discrepancy on the topic. I fear that's what you're doing, I may be wrong. Please forgive me if I am.
@PainAddict666 The "Biologists" skew the line between micro and macro because they believe both. There IS a vast difference between the two though. "Micro evolution," or "variation within kinds" is provable. It's only OBVIOUS. "Macro evolution" is nowhere NEAR provable. Its a theory that SINCE animals change within their kind, therefore it "stands to reason," at least to the "biologist," that those same changes plus millions of years can produce a different kind of animal. Never been seen
@jondabill1 That simply isn't true it seems, various species have been discovered that contain traits consistent within multiple species... a "missing link" so to speak. I've seen the list and explanations myself many times and searched for reasonable rebuttals only to be incredibly disappointed. Sure, there exists plenty of websites that counter evolution but forgive me if this sounds discriminatory but they've literally ALL been from Christians. That's way too coincidental to overlook.
@PainAddict666 Your "evidence" is completely one-sided and shows you have a hand over one of your eyes at all times so you can't see both sides of the argument. Traits consistent? That proves you came from a monkey? I'm sorry pal, but that also "PROVES" that a designer used the same raw material to create everything. THAT is the other side and NEITHER side has a corner on the market. You just blindly THINK that your explanation is the only plausible one. Haha, think again, if you can!
@jondabill1 The simple fact that you're under the misconception that evolution postulates humanity "came from a monkey" shows your utter ignorance on the subject. Your arrogance will not mask your ignorance when speaking to intelligent, open-minded people so please stop wasting your time if that's what you'll continue doing.
@PainAddict666 "Intelligent open minded people?" In every biology class I have been in, high school and college, I have been taught that our ancestors were apes... "Lucy?" Hello? What is your problem? If you are NOW changing your mind saying that we didn't, WHAT then did we evolve FROM?
@jondabill1 Sigh. We didn't evolve from apes, we are apes. Present day chimps, bonobos, gorillas etc and US, evolved from a common ancestor. Present day apes our technically our cousins, not our fore-bearers.
And we all descended from an earlier proto-ape. So the answer is yes, we descended from apes, just not the ape species that are alive today.
Apparently you weren't paying close attention during these biology courses because that's not at all what I was taught. I was taught homo-sapiens and the great apes share a common ancestor not that we evolved from apes. Furthermore, you claimed that evolution says that we "came from monkeys"... surely you're aware monkeys and apes are seperate species right?
Yes, I do try to be open-minded... that's how I was able to shed the dogmatic indoctrination of Christianity as a child.
@PainAddict666 Apes are in our evolutionary "family tree." Quit trying to over analyze it. Evolution teaches that apes came before humans and "lucy" is our ancestor. Simple. Quit trying to over analyze. That's silly. When I said "we came from monkeys," I was mocking you. It was a joke. If it hasn't occured to you, I have NO respect for that theory having been proven wrong and impossible time and time again, but because it is the only alternative to special creation, "it HAS to be true."
@jjukil "No it hasn't. Educate yourself." The pot calling the kettle black again. Have you heard about cleaning symbiosis? Migratory insects? If man has been here for over one million years, and if the population growth was ONLY 1/2 of 1% every year (ours is 2% today), then the world would have 10 to the 2100th power PEOPLE in it. CROWDED? I'd say so. Lord Kelvin, British physicist, said: "Overwhelmingly strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us..." cont. next post
@jondabill1 Prove the world population growth rate has always been .5%, then.
"but it does not explain ARRIVAL of the fittest." So? Cell theory doesn't explain quasars. Faulting a scientific explanation for not explaining what it isn't supposed to explain is stupid.
@jjukil Got scared by your own "uniformitarian" principles? I figured. i gave you a LOW estimate of the population growth for humans time on earth according to you. Let's go even lower. What about 0.2% growth? Now that's REALLY low! You'd STILL have more people than the earth could hold right now! So much for a million years of human history!
@jondabill1 Sorry to but in, i was just reading the debate going on in comments here and this caught my attention. There are factors here that you are not considering.....first off, man did not live as long as he does now, he did not have technology to protect him, we did not have education and health improvements that we do now. Man kind was still primarily on the same grounds as every other animal a million years ago, in other words, we would be eaten and hunted all the time.
@jondabill1 Lets say for a moment your argument about population growth for humans actually did what you say it would have had we been on earth 1 million years or older. Well what do you believe? Do you believe in a young earth then? give me an age you are comfortable with and we can use your time line with that.
you seem like a smart person so you may know where i'm going with this. Lets say for arguments sake against me (I believe in an old earth, 4.45 billion years old) and you maybe believe in a young earth, maybe 7 thousand or 6 thousand years old? Ok. You can always correct my terms if you feel i have represented this unfairly but all i need is 6 thousand years to prove a point. Do you know the reproduction rate of a brown rat? They produce about 5 litters a year from one female...cont
so if we use your flat population estimate, after 6 thousand years of reproduction that would be a crap ton of rats now wouldn't it? They would literally be filled up to the clouds in the sky.
@jjukil "...the atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I cannot put it into words." Natural selection explains survival of the fittest, but it does not explain ARRIVAL of the fittest.
@jondabill1 If evolution has been proven wrong as you claim, please provide this information for me to examine. I'll keep an open mind but I won't simply just take your word for it.
Forgive me for over analyzing your comments, sometimes I do that when someone is really just using jest.
I do have an excellent sense of humor it's just the things you were saying I've heard Creationists say often and they weren't joking at all. I simply assumed you were doing that, sorry. =)
@jjukil Your full of crap and misinformation. There is NO way that you can prove that apes were you great grandparents. There is NO way that you can PROVE beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt that if you trace your lineage back 3 billion years ago, that you were a single celled amoeba. Sorry, YOU have been lied to. Its a theory, not FACT. FACT is an observable TESTED truth.
@jjukil You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled first. That makes as much sense as your statement. You can keep on saying you came from apes, but until you can PROVE that, its not a fact. Time for a reality check and gut check, buddy.
@jondabill1 No, your Jesus died over 2000 years ago, like a common criminal. he did not come back from the dead. Most of the books in your bible are forgeries. The rest are heavily interpolated.
In short, they are not true.
If you want to waste your life following ahistoric nonsense, then fill your boots. Just don't expect people with more than two brain cells to follow along.
And all of your wailing about death doesn;t change it either.
We get it, you are scared to die. Some of us aren't
The free will argument is ridiculoua and I can't understand how people fall for it. God knows everything so he already know every choice I am ever going to make and if the outcome of my choices is known then I can not make a choice. Even if I think I am.
I have yet to hear a Christian successfully explain Gods brutality. This caller went quickly into a pigeon hole trying to explain the unexplainable. The panelist never even got into The Law in dueteronomy where Gods says stone an unruly Child to death, but he didn't have to the slavery thing is reprehensible enough. The best answer your ever gonna get from a Christian is that 'Gods ways are higher than ours' which of course is a cop out.
ok, let me see if i understand. the creator of the entire universe created a book for us, and it is THE BOOK that gives us our morality etc. and someone truly in their heart believes this is all true, but they don't bother to read most of the book??? what's wrong with this picture?? if i believed it, i would be pouring over EVERY WORD of the book
@isaachaze1 "the creator of the entire universe created a book for us" no, man created a book inspired by the clarity and understanding provided by a universal conscious energy.
"THE BOOK that gives us our morality" no, the book was written as a moral and law giving guideline for a certain group of people living in a certain time frame, some of those guidelines are universal, but not all.
"i would be pouring over EVERY WORD of the book" that is how a fundamentalist cult starts.It isn't literal
...in god: "What is god? What does god do? Or why should I believe in something if you can't describe to me what it is?" My answer would typically be (because I am a 'chef' kind of guy): "What is salt? What does salt taste like to you? Describe what your experience and understanding of feelings and sensations of salt on your tongue are."It is difficult in my opinion. You could never tell another human being the flavour of salt because it is a personal experience that only one can understand.
Matt Dillahunty has good points of view from his own knowledge and life experiences. He understands his own belief which what christians also understand but not from someone (a christian) who has had an experience with God. So no lol... Matt talks about this in a way that logical based answers on what he believes is true through his own personal experiences. But ofcourse thats natural for human beings to think like that. I mean if anybody who didn't believe in God asked someone who believes...
Tom Park, 1986, you are the greatest example I have ever seen of the pot calling the kettle black. You call me stupid because I believe we came from a common designer without being able to prove it 100%. YOU believe in macro-evolution without being able to prove it .00000000000000000001%. SO WHAT if the genes of chimpanzees and humans are alike? Why does genes get the benefit of the doubt? Why couldn't it be chromosomes? Hmmm? Evolution is verifiable??? Pardon me, I nearly died laughing!
@jondabill1 take a science class. Your lack of understanding of even the most basic concepts of Biology proves nothing other than the fact that you are an idiot.
Not the same thing. Seeing a wonderful sunrise does not mean the sun actually rises, it's more of a metaphorical expression of ancient civilations that had no idea the earth revolved on its axis
The same metaphorical comparison can be said about moonlight, but is nonetheless incorrect in factuality.
@TomPark1986 Brilliant. So the Bible HAS to write everything so YOU will be happy with it. God can't write the book the way he wants to? When he writes things scientifically, people say they can't understand it and when He writes it so people can understand it, then people complain that he's not being scientific. Which way is it? I asked you if you wake up to see the sunrise, and that shook you up a bit. The term is culturally imbedded into our minds, but it isn't scientifically accurate.
Well lets just say a book is a really shitty way of getting such an important message across....especially since people disagree whether it's actually authentic or not. I mean what the hell, it's more reasonable to say that it's bullshit than to accept that it's true. Accepting the bible as the truth just testifies to people 's gullibilty and lack of critical thinking. It's also pretty arrogant to think god has any interest or purpose for us in the first place.
Yeah joseph smith also found a bunch of golden scriptures in upstate new york in what 1870 or something...and people claim him to be a true prophet, and that the scriptures are god's true words....the point is that there have been so many religions that claim to have an EXCLUSIVE relationship with god. It's more reasonable to think that it's all a bunch of hocus pocus bullshit.
@TomPark1986 About Joseph Smith, simple. The scripture is the boss and the scripture says that even if an "ANGEL from heaven were to come down and tell you something DIFFERENT than the gospel that was revealed to Paul, to not listen to him." Joseph did though, and thus Mormonism started. If he had read his BIBLE, that wouldn't have happened. That BIBLE is so important. It has all the answers.
The bible has all the answers for those who believe in the christian god. ...the same that Jainism, hinduism, islam and any other religion with scriptures that claim it has all the answers. The bible is nothing special to anyone except for philologists,historians and christians. That fact that someone can claim to be a prophet, and then have people believe him/her like joseph smith did testifies to the reasonable conclusion that past religions did the same damn thing.
@jondabill1, I would say for someone to take the Bible seriously, you would first have to prove to me that the Bible DOES have all the answers. I have never been a Christian, and have struggled to understand why someone would believe this stuff. I have never heard any evidence that would lead me to believe the Bible (I've read it, before you try and use it as evidence).
In the end, it boils down to: Show me some verifiable evidence that a God exists, then try and prove its the Christian God
@allanhill1, believe it or not I haven't read much of Hitchens work myself, though it is on my (unfortunately) long list of authors to look into. Maybe I'll move him up...
@Paschall18 he has become my new hero LOL Christopher Hitchen is probably better heard rather than read. i also have not read his books but have listened to many of his debates on youtube. he has a certain arrogant confidence about him and i have yet to see him become frazzled or nervous when confronting theists and believers. he can destroy the best of arguments with his wit. Good day to you
@jondabill1 The bible is a book...nothing more. It has been translated an unknown amout of times. It has been edited and re-edited. it is nothing more than a collection of stories from people who lived thousands of years ago. Written in times when the people had no idea what lightning was aqnd feared it !!! Absolutely none if it can be verified. It claims extraordinay events which go against all logic and physical laws !!!! Come on people....Wake up and enjoy your life before its too late
The fact that god is inept at giving us a clear way to understand what it means testifies to the fact(allegedly) that god ain't as powerful as people define god to be. The point is also that if the bible had scientific shit in it that wasn't known for back then- and that if the bible was the eternal word of god, you'd think there'd be new info in the book to help us along the way besides poetic aphorisms and allusions that are confusing and misleading.
@TomPark1986 God HAS given us a clear way of understanding what the Bible means. You compare scripture with scripture. "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Reading the Bible is a lot like doing science, because if the theory doesn't match, say you come across a verse that doesn't match what you believe, study it, find out what's going on, who wrote it, when, and who did he write it to. These things help.
@TomPark1986 Citing unverified "evidence" and "proof" without actually citing it, giving the source, is a stupid way to verify what you BELIEVE is true.
I also have zero proof fairies do not live in gardens, and that leprachauns do not hide a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.....it doesn't make these notions any less stupid. I also can't prove the earth was not created in 6 days by a god who took a REST on the 7th. It's in the same category as ANY other myth in existence. Just because a myth can't be proven false doesn't mean that it's intelligible.
All I would have to do is go to any meidcal university library pull some references out of any virology journal, and your ass would be defeated. Internet links are garbage for sources.....real sources are at university libraries. If you are actually interested in finding evidence for evolution, conduct research on evolution via scholarly sources.
I don't think it's far out of god's way to write something so that all people can understand it the same way. God did create the fuckin' universe no? What the hell kind of god 'tests' humans anyways.....it's like were an experiment...it makes no sense! It makes MORE sense to conclude that god is just a societal construct that is used as a crutch when our understanding of something comes to screeching halt!
@TomPark1986 Again, if the Bible is true, and I have no doubt about it, there is a spirit besides God called the Devil or Satan, that HATES man. He will try to make people lose their faith in the Bible and will try to get people to have their own private interpretation JUST so people like you will say that people can't all understand it the same way, therefore, "there is no God." That book is not like Homer's Illiad, its not like the Koran, its not like any other book because God wrote it.
Yeah satan is an excuse made up by the authors to try and convince people that instead of the bible being bullshit, it's satan fucking with your mind. It's an insurance policy.
Matt Dillahunty vs. Fox News
Dillahunty wins before the debate even starts.
HammerOfNul 4 days ago
At 1.15 Matt looks like a spider which has just seen a large juicy fly land on its web.
lewisner 2 weeks ago
I bet the caller somehow finds a way to remain a christian.
Caller: "Oh. We have trees. Of course God exists. Matt doesn't know what he's talking about. And the trees help us to breathe. An immoral God wouldn't be that nice. I feel so much happier now. Praise God."
AK33M 3 weeks ago
Wow. that was an intellectual beating. I have much respect for Matt.
FellOnSoundGarden 1 month ago
When anyone says we are not up to "god's standards" they basically are removing this god from the same moral requirements that we are being subjected to by that belief. It is basic hypocrisy, like a parent that says, "Do as I say not as I do." Only children would accept that and likely only until they grow up to know better. I've stung my own parents as hypocrites myself.
Tunnelfish2 1 month ago
It is shocking how little knowledge of the bible many Christians have. You'd think they'd want to familiarise themselves, in detail, with the position of the creator of the entire universe. The creator of the ENTIRE fucking universe & he wrote a book!
Pity; it's an interesting collection of stories (&some woefully boring genealogies, detailed descriptions of tabernacles, etc.) & it's a fundamental part of our cultural heritage.
These muppets believe what's in it, without knowing what's in it.
NowKillTheKing 1 month ago
@NowKillTheKing
And some fun laws about how you have to stone your own child for not listening to you and a few other (read many) laws we consider immoral these days.
thedutchman01 1 month ago
god is a dickhead and so are religous people.
TheLovesoul1 1 month ago
The free will argument is full of shit. It ignores sociology. It ignores awareness. It ignores human patriarchal values. Then again, Christianity, as a religion, does not depend on any kind of truth. It is a shame there are so many people who adopt it.
MunkyDrag0n 2 months ago
Most Christians have not read the bible. They always say "It's just a book, it's not Christianity"
locsaretheshit 2 months ago
these guys are losers
XxStevieVomitxX 2 months ago
What about these men, who were Atheists: Alfred Kinsey, exploited children for sex. Napoleon. Than Shwe. Kim Jong 11, responsible for 94 million deaths. Jefrey Dahmer. Jim Jones. Mussolini. Mao Zedong, responsible for 67 million deaths, 36 million were tortured. Pol Pot, 2.5 million deaths. Joseph Stalin, 10-60 million deaths.
No matter how many people have died by the hand of religious war, it pales in comparrision to these Atheist fiends.
Take the plank out of your own eye.
Zwemer100 2 months ago
@Zwemer100 Not true! These Atheist "evil doers" are not even close to the misdeeds caused by religious folk. Take the priest cock out of your ass and take off the jesus glasses. Religion is comepletely fake and has brought countless misery to the world!
somethingdiffereable 2 months ago
@Zwemer100 dumbass, they didn't do it BECAUSE of atheism, it's just a coincidence they didn't buy into bullshit.
your "bill o'reilly" argument is weak sauce.
TheMindofCory 2 months ago
@Zwemer100
I'm sorry, but as an Italian I have to point out that Mussolini was a Roman Catholic.
Zorgonia 2 months ago
@Zwemer100 Actually, Napolean, Mussolini, and Stalin was Catholic, Kim Jong Il is Buddhist as was Mao Zedong and Than Shwe, Jeffrey Dahmer was Penocaustal, Alfred Kinsley was agnostic, plus he didn't "exploint" children for sex, he was a researcher, and he pioneered the research of sexuality in humans, and Jim Jones was a devout Christian, he was just corrupt to the tricks they use which he used for his own gain.
TheApatheistic1 1 month ago
@TheApatheistic1
Have to say.
Stalin was an atheist. There is nothing to suggest he was theist. Dunno enough about Mao Zedong. But I thought he was an atheist too. But not sure as I haven't studied his life enough.
thedutchman01 1 month ago
@thedutchman01 Mao Zedong constantly proclaimed his beliefs, just look up some of his speeches.
TheApatheistic1 1 month ago
I think the thing you are missing here is that God has wrath and anger and that wrath was poured out upon Jesus, that too was a sacrifice. But human sacrifice does not exist anymore, it was poured out upon Christ His only son, the wrath of God is a side that I don't think people like to know about.
The only reason we are all alive today, is because of the Grace of God, He would wipe us all out at this very moment. I wish this man would debate a Christian who knows what He is talking about?.
Zwemer100 2 months ago
@Zwemer100 god wouldn't have petty human emotions if he was a divine superpower... he's fabricated by men.
TheMindofCory 2 months ago
@TheMindofCory Actually Genesis and exodus describes God in to not being a divine entity or superpower. God is actually a small minded asshole on the Genesis and exodus. The reason for the banishment from eden is actually not because of eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of nolidge of good and evil as people often think. It's because after Adam and Eve eat the fruit of nolidge of good and evil they have that nolidge and it only belongs to God. After that God wants to prevent humans eating
Erholts 2 months ago
@Erholts from the tree of life and live forever 'cause (according to Genesis) that would make men equal to God.
He is so determined to prevent men eating from the tree of life that he then puts some supernatural creatures and a flaming sword to guard the way to the tree of life. So the reason for banishment from the eden is NOT because Adam and Eve did against Gods orders. God actually lies to Adam and Eve and says they will die if they eat from the tree of nolidge of good and evil.
Erholts 2 months ago
@Erholts So even the basic argument from the Christians that God gave men a free will is actually bullshit. God didn't give men free will according to bible. He did everything to prevent men from getting free will. He first lied about the tree and told A and E would die if they eat from it and once they did he made sure that they where banished so they would not get another great power belonging to God and that is eternal life.
Erholts 2 months ago
Who are you to tell God what to do or what He can or cannot do. Yes, God has ordered ancient wars and justice to be done, in an old Testament context. Yes, God has endorsed those texts which many Christians ignore or simply don't read.
If you don't like Him for it, then don't like Him. But, I won't argue my way out of it, God can do what He wants.
Zwemer100 2 months ago
When Matt is on, what is the point of there being a co-host?
dbes02 2 months ago
@dbes02 to fill the other half of the screen
ravensburger89 2 months ago
Someone should have told this caller to put the shovel down instead of continuing to bury himself deeper.
SamonMarquis 2 months ago
holy shit, matt is fucking his shit up.
WeGameAlotSir 3 months ago
It’s a wonder the caller can work out how to use his telephone. He sounds very retarded.
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd my brother is a telephone and that is offensive. You should really think about what you say.
parkerthehicks 3 months ago
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Mankind is due for moving to a higher consciousness plane. The same way the suffering of gazelles killed by lions make the species stronger, the suffering of mankind will help us move to the next consciousness level. A greater good comes for the species. The next level is the rejection of greed, materialism and selfishness. Our current capitalist system need to collapse in order to achieve this. If you're not ready spiritually, and doesn't move up, you'll suffer. This is happening now, seek God.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx Well fuck me. You get this months prize for being the biggest nut job on YouTube!
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. Therefore is plausible that God exists.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx I see, trying for next months award too. Greedy bugger!
Beware the flying spaghetti monster, he will track you down using his magic sauce and eat you for committing blasphemy.
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd God is energy and to be in tune with energy, you need to be in it's same wavelength. The same with God, you need to be in His wavelength to be saved. Buddhists call it Nirvana or Enlightenment, Hindus call that Moksha, Islam calls it Taubah and we call it living in Grace. There's only one Divine Consciousness with many names and dogmas, but just one reality. You can be spiritual and be one with God consciousness without religion, but to get somewhere, a map is always helpful.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx I warned you, HE (parmesan be upon him) will come for you and dip you in sauce.
Perhaps you should determine which wavelength the great and good flying spaghetti monster communicates on and beg forgiveness ASAP before it's too late..
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd God exists, that's the accepted claim by the majority of people, you want to challenge that, bring the evidence, the burden of proof is on you. Some narrow minded atheist proposed the wrong notion that atheism doesn't require evidence and many gullible atheists had run to foolishly embrace it. Philosophically the burden of proof is in the argument challenging the establishment. What evidence you have that atheism is true? None. Open your eyes, you're being deceived by an evil cult.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx No, please keep explaining your complex hypothesis. The existence of an entity as pure energy is interesting and almost plausible. It falls down when one considers the communication difficulties and interacting with the material universe. The fact that it is what people call the omnipotent god also needs clarification.
These things are important when determining if you are simply delusional or borderline schizophrenic.
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd God has 100% of the attributes given to energy, so God can be defined as energy, on the other hand, energy has only a fraction of the attributes given to God, so energy can't be defined as God. There are many forms of energy and God is one of them, so God can be compared to energy but energy can't be compared to God.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@SissingPyd God is energy, conscious energy. If you ask to a goat herder living 3,000 yrs ago to describe energy, what do you think it will come with? I say is remarkable they were able to grasp concepts as infinite, immaterial, timeless, powerful, ever present and even more remarkable that energy can produce matter, something we just discover in the 20th century. That knowledge could had only come from God. God is real. Open your eyes.
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SissingPyd 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx @dejesusluisx It’s been a long day, I’ll try that again. This energy < conscious energy < god hypothesis is cool. Am I right in assuming that because the entity is conscious energy ie more than what we consider energy. It defies the normal measurement one would make to determine if a thing actually exists or is just a figment.
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd Is more than a hypothesis, is reality, this reality can communicate with you, you can feel His presence. Is something you need to experience, I wish you could someday. Only your skepticism in the way.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx Have you personally communicated with this entity you call god energy and what form did the communication take?
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd I hard to explain, you don't hear any voices or see a visions. The communication comes in many forms, mainly as moments of real understanding, as a flash of clarity. Other times comes as dreams or maybe as signs, which may appear as consequences, but only you understand. They are very personal and individual signs.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx Not surprisingly I also dream and experience random events but never interpret them as "signs." I often have moments of understanding too, like now! My current flash of clarity points towards you suffering from Grandiose Delusional Disorder. I do not think you are schizophrenic, which is good news.
Please seek help for your condition. Antipsychotic drugs and more importantly cognitive therapy should help you join the rest of us in the real world. Sincere best wishes.
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd Your ignorance won't help you. You have received the word, so you have no excuse. You have chosen not to believe, is your conscious decision not to be with God, so you should not be surprised for the consequences of your choice. You're cornering yourself in a place where the only exit door is the one you refuse to take. I planted the seed; that was my mission, now is up to you. You will not hear a voice from heaven or see a light. You will only get this message. My job is done.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx We are all ignorant of many things but only ill people are delusional.
I receive many words each day, which one are you referring to?
To be with something I must first know it’s location. Tell me where and I will happily confirm the existence of this entity if present. Until then, please seek help for your psychosis and do not fly any planes into tall buildings even if your god tells you to.
The rest of your babble is incoherent and not worth a response.
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd Things that appeared as supernatural 2,000 yrs ago are studied by science today. God might be "natural" but we are yet to discover His true nature. Is light supernatural? No, and God is described as light. Is Love supernatural? No, and God is described as Love. Is energy supernatural?. You call it supernatural because can't be explained, at least not yet. To move atoms to resurrect a body is science at it's best. I cannot see, measure or prove that love exists. I can only feel it.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx No, wrong. There are many things that cant be explained. Quantum mechanics, how an electron can exists anywhere at all in the universe at any given second. But the existence of the electron is not in doubt. Fairies, unicorns, gods, demons and spaghetti monsters cant be explained but also cant be proven to exist. There is a huge difference.
Your delusion is highly complex, one of the diagnostic criteria. Look it up. Accepting the illness is part of the cure.
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd The definition of God is in the Bible, and I didn't made up the definition of energy either. And is too much of a coincidence that the only thing in the universe capable of making matter was defined scientifically the same way God is defined biblically. I'm just putting 2+2 together. When you consider that the ancient goat herders didn't have a clue of what they were talking about, the coincidence is awesome.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx Energy exists, it’s ability to do work can be predicted by calculation and then confirmed by measurements. Gods and demons are only mentioned in magic story books. their existence cant be confirmed. Show me the 2000 year old calculations predicting the work done by you energy god thing. Better still, publish it and be world famous as the first person to produce tangible evidence of the supernatural. The Nobel prize awaits. OR again sincerely, please seek medical help.
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd We can prove supernatural events exists:
Ho: Events before the BB were no different to natural events, they followed natural laws
H1: Events before the BB were different than natural events, they didn't followed natural law
Evidence: Basic elements H,He,Li were created during the BB. There was no matter and no universe, therefore no natural laws before BB
Conclusion, we reject Ho and accept H1. The origin of BB is supernatural
Simple scientific method
Therefore God exists
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx No, your logic is flawed. The complexity of your delusion is impressive but nonetheless delusional. There is a PhD in it for someone.
Seek help, there’s a good chap.
SissingPyd 3 months ago
@SissingPyd Where do we go from here? We are in a crucial point in human evolution. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all selfish animal behavior is the next step in consciousness. Only our Free Will is in the way. Atheism rejects Jesus as a role model. This represents a step back in consciousness. I planted the seed; that was my mission, now is up to you. You will not hear a voice from heaven or see a light. You will only get this message. My job is done. You still have hope. GBY
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx ur an idiot.
cocoman12345678910 2 months ago
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@cocoman12345678910 "ur an idiot" and that was a very bright assertion from your part, right? I'm sure you think highly of yourself, probably you think you're the best atheism has to offer, and probably you might be right. Thank you for supporting all the worst stereotypes billions of theists have about atheists, you're making my day.
dejesusluisx 2 months ago
I feel so bad for the caller, he has no idea what he is talking about. It's actually painful to listen too, but I finished it anyways.
revelationtek3 4 months ago 11
Matt proves that he is an idiotic fool yet again!
Zenkai251 4 months ago
@Zenkai251 Not really, he just proves that many christians are ignorant of their own book, and only have blind faith without knowledge. I mean really... how can you argue with someone about your beliefs if you don't even know the all the stories and commandments in your book.
revelationtek3 4 months ago
@Zenkai251 You're either a troll or just plain retarded... I'd say the latter.
kiemul136 4 months ago
@kiemul136 Haha. You sure are a funny moron!
Zenkai251 4 months ago
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@Zenkai251 this statement proves you have your head up your ass!!
Vegasgodless 3 months ago
You missed the vital bit at the end..... The caller says no to Matts question and matt says something like "Then YOU are morally superiour to god". That is a zinger of a point which I can't believer you left off.
TacticalHub 4 months ago
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The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
This guy really thinks that there is a god who tells us how to live our lives and will punish us forever if we don't behave.But he doesn't even know the one book that explains it. The thinking is just so painful.
rrpostalagain 4 months ago
"You'r god's an ass" = quotation win.
firstatheist 4 months ago 29
You see it's our tears Stan, our tears that give god his great power
override367 4 months ago
Folks. America is absolutely full of failed fallen subhuman empty stupefied intellectual degenerates like this caller. The world needs to take this subman and offer him a lethal dose of barbiturates. For the same reason we euthanize animals when they are suffering or broken beyond repair, we need to put to sleep all religious, all 5 billion of them before a faithtard hurts a human. Its so frustrating to know that Humans go hungry when the religious get to eat and breathe at will. Awful !
699backstab 5 months ago
@chinomoreno, God can do and will do whatever he pleases even die on the cross for your ignorance, God created us and he can do whatever he wants and who r u to question Gods desition. And there's no flawed in his creation cuz everyone on earth follow Gods ten commandments this would b a better world but u want to continue in lust, everybody lied,stoled,and sinned before God like u and instead of God destroying his creation and start over he died for us so he won't have to stop making excuses.
Bailey828282 5 months ago
@Bailey828282
"God can do and will do whatever he pleases"
So he could have forgiven us for his own mistake in creating us flawed without a masochistic public flaying in mortal form? You would think the creator of the universe would have something better to do than get his ass kicked then killed by lowly humans in a dusty town.
It wouldn't even be a sacrifice for a god anyway, 1 human lifetime would be less than a wink for a god.
I would urge you to read the 10 commandments in full.
Chinomareno 5 months ago
It's tragic to listen to uninformed accusations from pple who do not read the Christian account of the events.As scoffers they love the word 'zombie' - -were ' zombies' fully self-conscious beings w/perfect humanity like Jesus.
The Apostles & followers willingly died, but not like modern religious fanatics who murder.. Let's be fair and logical.....The many and varied peoples who turned to Jesus were NOT ' blindly indoctrinated'- they were DIRECT witnesses of the EVENTS of the resurrection
shieldsff 5 months ago
@shieldsff
Cause the bible says so right? I mean what part of this story even makes sense? God has himself flayed and crucified in front of a crowd of illiterates and goat herders in bronze age Palestine to forgive the flawed nature of his own creation and satisfy his own sense of justice. Then god for shits and giggles raises a crowd of zombies on the day of his execution. 2000 years later not everyone has heard this insane story yet can expect damnation for it's rejection or plain ignorance.
Chinomareno 5 months ago
uh, .not quite. Tell you want, just to assist you with your future 'apologetic' endeavors, can I suggest that you maybe first read the actual accounts of what the Christians claim to have occurred. This is a available in a book called Acts of the Apostles". It follows the Gospel of John which I also recommend to you. I also greatly recommend a work called "Simple Christianity" by N.T. Wright. Maligning and distorting your opponent's view won't win any arguments & shows weakness
shieldsff 5 months ago
@shieldsff
Chrisitans claimthings like the natural order being suspended at Jesus' birth and death, seas were parted by fleeing Jewish captives from Egypt and God personally stuck down 1 million Cushites, for which there is no evidence. If you don't like my summary of the Jesus narrative, point out what was falsified or distorted as this is what most sects believe.
If you don't believe god killed himself to give you a chance at vicarious redemption you are in a minority sect.
Chinomareno 5 months ago
"Your god's an ass."
Best quote known to man.
SaintPhoeniix 5 months ago
Are all Christians under a hypnotic spell? check my website at biblethumpingatheist.co.uk
tomecrawford 5 months ago
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It's a tragic to listen to uninformed accusations from pple who do not read the Christian account of the events.As scoffers they love the word 'zombie' - -were ' zombies' fully self-conscious beings w/perfect humanity like Jesus.
The Apostles & followers willingly died, but not like modern religious fanatics who murder.. Let's be fair and logical.....The many and varied peoples who turned to Jesus were NOT ' blindly indoctrinated'- they were DIRECT witnesses of the EVENTS of the resurrection
shieldsff 5 months ago
"yer god's an ass" i fucking LAWLED! omg thanks.... also very good brain exercise as always.
eTernaLBOWLING 5 months ago
OWNED!
swiwi86 6 months ago
Not to mention, all living organisms on earth are not still all represented today since the beginning.....close to 99% of all things that ever lived on earth have died off. Earth is not a paradise in terms that we all like to think it is, it is ever changing and we are in it's eyes, amatures, children, a result of it's conditioning and evolution. We are a blink of an eye to how old the earth is.
Antimidation 6 months ago
@Antimidation if the earth was a paradise why did god create sexually transmitted diseases, paricites and human specific diseases? Truth is tthe world never was a paradise and if they think a bronze age book states otherwose they'll believe the rediculous claim snakes spoke lol
seonidh 6 months ago
@seonidh I totally agree. The earth happens to be in a state at which we can live upon it but to it, it's just another cycle...another season. we have not been around billions of years like it has, we are spoiled and arrogant to think we are special. It just doesn't make sense to me to believe in a personal god when you look at how insignificant we are compared to the universe.
Antimidation 6 months ago
@Antimidation totally agree as Quentin crisp said "I am unable to believe in a God susceptible to prayer. I simply haven't the nerve to imagine a being, a force, a cause which keeps the planets revolving in their orbits, and then suddenly stops in order to give me a bicycle with three speeds." We are insignificant.
seonidh 6 months ago
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PainAddict666 6 months ago
6:53 "Matt hasn't killed anybody how about that."
1 John 3:15 - Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
You can also commit sins in your heart, so, wrong. Matt has committed murder in his heart.
*Waits to be flamed*
jmann114 6 months ago
@jmann114 Only according to the late fist century, early second century Greek Christian wrote. I do not subscribe to the idea of sin or mythos of first century, bronze age people from the other side of the world.
So , no....you are wrong.
johnycannuk 6 months ago
@johnycannuk
So you're saying you don't trust in something that happened before you were born and because it happened in a different location.
Hmmm.... very logical.
jmann114 6 months ago
@jmann114 No I am saying, as Matt has here, that having examined the ethic and morality and logic of such a statement, I find it illogical, unethical and immoral. It is a hold over from a time of utter ignorance and superstition.
Human society has long grown past the need for such barbaric and fearful nonsense and such unsupported and delusional attitudes should be relegated to the dustbin of history along with slavery, human sacrifice and dancing to make it rain.
Its silly and wrong.
johnycannuk 6 months ago
@johnycannuk
We should also be able to live in a time where we don't take things out of context.
Human society has grown past nothing. We're in a war, a global economic disaster, cancer rates are going up, abortion rates are rising, pills are causing birth defects, more people are starving, etc. etc. etc.
Read the Bible first before taking things out context. You don't go somewhere without first knowing where you're heading. Stop taking things out of context.
jmann114 6 months ago
@jmann114 I've read the Bible. Its one of the reasons I am an atheist.
We're in a war - thanks to religion (Christian vs Muslim and Jew...)
a global economic disaster, - irrelevant
cancer rates are going up - according to cancer . org they are declining
abortion rates are rising - no, they are declining
pills are causing birth defects - no evidence of that at al
more people are starving - cuz there are more people (thanks to not enough birth control thanks to religious twits)
So much for that.
johnycannuk 6 months ago
@johnycannuk
No, we're in a war thanks to money greed and oil.
But it is relevant. Just goes to show that times haven't really changed since you think we've "long grown past that."
Since when? A year ago? Where do you account for the past 10 years? And not mortality rates, incident rates.
Do the research. You'll see commercials about it every now and then.
The illusion that there are too many people and not enough food is a lie and you're buying into it.
jmann114 6 months ago
@jmann114 "Where do you account for the past 10 years?"
Despite what you may think, you are safer, healthier and richer than any generation in history. There is actually less war, less death (hence the increasing human population) and greater opportunity. Crime is lower and more diseases are cured than ever before.
We have been getting better since the Enlightenment, when our society decided to dump the numbing religious dogma that kept it in the dark ages for 1000 years.
I'm an optimist.
johnycannuk 6 months ago
@johnycannuk
"Despite what you may think, you are safer, healthier and richer than any generation in history."
Lie.
"There is actually less war, less death"
Lie.
and greater opportunity.
Lie. I'll take you up on the diseases though. Partially.
What is your "enlightenment"? The age when we all become one under a earthly utopia and all that crap?
jmann114 6 months ago
@jmann114 You remember the enlightenment? When western society stopped cowtowing to the Church and actually started doing science again?
I suggest you do a little research on the other stuff. Try "SuperFreakonomics" for a readers digest version. No, nevermind, you are more interested in wringing your hands and wailing lamentations than actually knowing the truth.
Whatever the problems we have, the answers are not found in an ancient book that advocates incest, murder and slavery.
johnycannuk 6 months ago
@jmann114 "The report also finds that the overall rate of new cancer diagnoses for men and women combined decreased an average of slightly less than 1 percent per year for the same period."
From the latest report from cancer.gov for 2003 to today.
That's what happens when you base your life on fear and myth, rather than evidence and fact.
johnycannuk 6 months ago
@johnycannuk
Yes, that is from cancer in general, not breast cancer. That is actually on the rise, and it is due to the mentality of our medical field. Lets hope it kills the cancer before it kills the patient. I suggest watching Bill Schnoebelen - The Medical Conspiracy.
When did I ever say science was bad? Yes, science is great when we're able to shoot radiation into somebody to get rid of... wait.. cancer? And good job taking things out of context again. I'll pray for you.
jmann114 6 months ago
@jmann114 Bottom line, you dusty tome of a holy book has been the problem, not the solution. Its time for your silly religion to join the worship of Zoroaster, Zeus, Baal, Wotan and the myriad of other dead religions as quaint little anachronism of history.
In short, no one cares about you quoting your book. It is evidence of nothing (it wasn't even written by John) other than the feeble mindedness of a bygone era.
Or would you like to quote the vicious antisemitism of that book too?
johnycannuk 6 months ago
You have an unwilling heart to believe. You can believe in yourself and believe that "man is the measure of all things." It just so happens that that MAN is going to end up taking a dirt NAP and decay and get eaten by maggots. Some measure of all things! I know Christ lives because of the simple reason of what he has done for me. He took me as a sinner, saved me from hell, and gave me a brand new life. As the song says, "You ask me how I KNOW he lives? He lives within my heart!"
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 He exists because you believe in him.
Yeah, I'll buy that.
jjukil 6 months ago
@jjukil I believe in him because nobody could change me the way HE changed me. He changes people, some homeless without hope, raped, destroyed in spirit, and thinking of suicide, and THEN...the Savior steps in, and a new creature is made. Old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new. Psychology has NO explanation for the changes some people go through once they have accepted Christ as their Savior. You have an unwillingness to believe in Jesus Christ dying for your sins.
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 Yes, I tend to be unwilling to believe claims that have no evidential support.
jjukil 6 months ago
@jjukil Your so full of crap, it's hilarious. You believe macro-evolution without any evidence whatsoever, but God? Horrors, no, you can't believe THAT!
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 Based on the research I've done on evolution, there's really no such "micro vs macro" debate among biologists. It's a red herring by some and just ignorance by others. To me, it makes no logical sense to accept micro as it's defined and reject macro as it's defined pertaining to evolution. I guess if you "desire" for evolution not to be real you'll latch on to any perceived discrepancy on the topic. I fear that's what you're doing, I may be wrong. Please forgive me if I am.
PainAddict666 6 months ago
@PainAddict666 The "Biologists" skew the line between micro and macro because they believe both. There IS a vast difference between the two though. "Micro evolution," or "variation within kinds" is provable. It's only OBVIOUS. "Macro evolution" is nowhere NEAR provable. Its a theory that SINCE animals change within their kind, therefore it "stands to reason," at least to the "biologist," that those same changes plus millions of years can produce a different kind of animal. Never been seen
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 That simply isn't true it seems, various species have been discovered that contain traits consistent within multiple species... a "missing link" so to speak. I've seen the list and explanations myself many times and searched for reasonable rebuttals only to be incredibly disappointed. Sure, there exists plenty of websites that counter evolution but forgive me if this sounds discriminatory but they've literally ALL been from Christians. That's way too coincidental to overlook.
PainAddict666 6 months ago
@PainAddict666 Your "evidence" is completely one-sided and shows you have a hand over one of your eyes at all times so you can't see both sides of the argument. Traits consistent? That proves you came from a monkey? I'm sorry pal, but that also "PROVES" that a designer used the same raw material to create everything. THAT is the other side and NEITHER side has a corner on the market. You just blindly THINK that your explanation is the only plausible one. Haha, think again, if you can!
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 The simple fact that you're under the misconception that evolution postulates humanity "came from a monkey" shows your utter ignorance on the subject. Your arrogance will not mask your ignorance when speaking to intelligent, open-minded people so please stop wasting your time if that's what you'll continue doing.
PainAddict666 6 months ago
@PainAddict666 "Intelligent open minded people?" In every biology class I have been in, high school and college, I have been taught that our ancestors were apes... "Lucy?" Hello? What is your problem? If you are NOW changing your mind saying that we didn't, WHAT then did we evolve FROM?
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 Sigh. We didn't evolve from apes, we are apes. Present day chimps, bonobos, gorillas etc and US, evolved from a common ancestor. Present day apes our technically our cousins, not our fore-bearers.
And we all descended from an earlier proto-ape. So the answer is yes, we descended from apes, just not the ape species that are alive today.
Got it?
johnycannuk 6 months ago
Apparently you weren't paying close attention during these biology courses because that's not at all what I was taught. I was taught homo-sapiens and the great apes share a common ancestor not that we evolved from apes. Furthermore, you claimed that evolution says that we "came from monkeys"... surely you're aware monkeys and apes are seperate species right?
Yes, I do try to be open-minded... that's how I was able to shed the dogmatic indoctrination of Christianity as a child.
PainAddict666 6 months ago
@PainAddict666 Apes are in our evolutionary "family tree." Quit trying to over analyze it. Evolution teaches that apes came before humans and "lucy" is our ancestor. Simple. Quit trying to over analyze. That's silly. When I said "we came from monkeys," I was mocking you. It was a joke. If it hasn't occured to you, I have NO respect for that theory having been proven wrong and impossible time and time again, but because it is the only alternative to special creation, "it HAS to be true."
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 "having been proven wrong and impossible time and time again"
No, it hasn't. Educate yourself.
jjukil 6 months ago
@jjukil "No it hasn't. Educate yourself." The pot calling the kettle black again. Have you heard about cleaning symbiosis? Migratory insects? If man has been here for over one million years, and if the population growth was ONLY 1/2 of 1% every year (ours is 2% today), then the world would have 10 to the 2100th power PEOPLE in it. CROWDED? I'd say so. Lord Kelvin, British physicist, said: "Overwhelmingly strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us..." cont. next post
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 Prove the world population growth rate has always been .5%, then.
"but it does not explain ARRIVAL of the fittest." So? Cell theory doesn't explain quasars. Faulting a scientific explanation for not explaining what it isn't supposed to explain is stupid.
jjukil 6 months ago
@jjukil Got scared by your own "uniformitarian" principles? I figured. i gave you a LOW estimate of the population growth for humans time on earth according to you. Let's go even lower. What about 0.2% growth? Now that's REALLY low! You'd STILL have more people than the earth could hold right now! So much for a million years of human history!
jondabill1 6 months ago
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@jondabill1 So you have no proof to back up your claims? Why am I not surprised.
jjukil 6 months ago
@jondabill1 Sorry to but in, i was just reading the debate going on in comments here and this caught my attention. There are factors here that you are not considering.....first off, man did not live as long as he does now, he did not have technology to protect him, we did not have education and health improvements that we do now. Man kind was still primarily on the same grounds as every other animal a million years ago, in other words, we would be eaten and hunted all the time.
Antimidation 6 months ago
@jondabill1 Lets say for a moment your argument about population growth for humans actually did what you say it would have had we been on earth 1 million years or older. Well what do you believe? Do you believe in a young earth then? give me an age you are comfortable with and we can use your time line with that.
Antimidation 6 months ago
you seem like a smart person so you may know where i'm going with this. Lets say for arguments sake against me (I believe in an old earth, 4.45 billion years old) and you maybe believe in a young earth, maybe 7 thousand or 6 thousand years old? Ok. You can always correct my terms if you feel i have represented this unfairly but all i need is 6 thousand years to prove a point. Do you know the reproduction rate of a brown rat? They produce about 5 litters a year from one female...cont
Antimidation 6 months ago
so if we use your flat population estimate, after 6 thousand years of reproduction that would be a crap ton of rats now wouldn't it? They would literally be filled up to the clouds in the sky.
Antimidation 6 months ago
@jjukil "...the atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I cannot put it into words." Natural selection explains survival of the fittest, but it does not explain ARRIVAL of the fittest.
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 If evolution has been proven wrong as you claim, please provide this information for me to examine. I'll keep an open mind but I won't simply just take your word for it.
Forgive me for over analyzing your comments, sometimes I do that when someone is really just using jest.
I do have an excellent sense of humor it's just the things you were saying I've heard Creationists say often and they weren't joking at all. I simply assumed you were doing that, sorry. =)
PainAddict666 6 months ago
@jondabill1 "Macro-evolution" is documented fact. Educate yourself.
jjukil 6 months ago
@jjukil Your full of crap and misinformation. There is NO way that you can prove that apes were you great grandparents. There is NO way that you can PROVE beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt that if you trace your lineage back 3 billion years ago, that you were a single celled amoeba. Sorry, YOU have been lied to. Its a theory, not FACT. FACT is an observable TESTED truth.
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 Deny reality all you like. Facts are facts, regardless of your wishes.
jjukil 6 months ago
@jjukil You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled first. That makes as much sense as your statement. You can keep on saying you came from apes, but until you can PROVE that, its not a fact. Time for a reality check and gut check, buddy.
jondabill1 6 months ago
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@jondabill1 It is fact. Educate yourself. You're only making a fool of yourself here.
jjukil 6 months ago
@jondabill1 Uhm, yes you can. Its called genetics and DNA. its a very precise and well tested science.
You should look into it. Lots of evidence.
Unlike being made from a bit of dirt by a sky fairy 6000 years ago which not only has NO evidence, is easily disproven.
johnycannuk 6 months ago
@jondabill1 Did you just throw up on your keyboard?
ILYIAB 6 months ago
@ILYIAB No, I'm not in the business of copying you!
jondabill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 No, your Jesus died over 2000 years ago, like a common criminal. he did not come back from the dead. Most of the books in your bible are forgeries. The rest are heavily interpolated.
In short, they are not true.
If you want to waste your life following ahistoric nonsense, then fill your boots. Just don't expect people with more than two brain cells to follow along.
And all of your wailing about death doesn;t change it either.
We get it, you are scared to die. Some of us aren't
johnycannuk 6 months ago
The free will argument is ridiculoua and I can't understand how people fall for it. God knows everything so he already know every choice I am ever going to make and if the outcome of my choices is known then I can not make a choice. Even if I think I am.
biggingeryeti 6 months ago
"Your god's an ass."
^ I may have chuckled at this point.
mbcake13 6 months ago
Youtube is a video sharing site. Don't just use it to rant on about stuff, or to start pointless arguments with complete strangers.
(And don't start an argument with me either!)
Gmaster350 6 months ago
I have yet to hear a Christian successfully explain Gods brutality. This caller went quickly into a pigeon hole trying to explain the unexplainable. The panelist never even got into The Law in dueteronomy where Gods says stone an unruly Child to death, but he didn't have to the slavery thing is reprehensible enough. The best answer your ever gonna get from a Christian is that 'Gods ways are higher than ours' which of course is a cop out.
bastardoftheparty1 6 months ago
ok, let me see if i understand. the creator of the entire universe created a book for us, and it is THE BOOK that gives us our morality etc. and someone truly in their heart believes this is all true, but they don't bother to read most of the book??? what's wrong with this picture?? if i believed it, i would be pouring over EVERY WORD of the book
isaachaze1 6 months ago 9
@isaachaze1 "the creator of the entire universe created a book for us" no, man created a book inspired by the clarity and understanding provided by a universal conscious energy.
"THE BOOK that gives us our morality" no, the book was written as a moral and law giving guideline for a certain group of people living in a certain time frame, some of those guidelines are universal, but not all.
"i would be pouring over EVERY WORD of the book" that is how a fundamentalist cult starts.It isn't literal
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
...Another could get an idea of what 'salt' or 'god' is but never have the exact same feelings and experiences as that person did.
Splinterhawk 7 months ago
...in god: "What is god? What does god do? Or why should I believe in something if you can't describe to me what it is?" My answer would typically be (because I am a 'chef' kind of guy): "What is salt? What does salt taste like to you? Describe what your experience and understanding of feelings and sensations of salt on your tongue are."It is difficult in my opinion. You could never tell another human being the flavour of salt because it is a personal experience that only one can understand.
Splinterhawk 7 months ago
Matt Dillahunty has good points of view from his own knowledge and life experiences. He understands his own belief which what christians also understand but not from someone (a christian) who has had an experience with God. So no lol... Matt talks about this in a way that logical based answers on what he believes is true through his own personal experiences. But ofcourse thats natural for human beings to think like that. I mean if anybody who didn't believe in God asked someone who believes...
Splinterhawk 7 months ago
I can just hear what is going on in this caller's head. "Does not compute. Must discard this truth and find a way around it."
twistedH3L1X 7 months ago
this guy is the shit
PS3FANBOY305 7 months ago
Tom Park, 1986, you are the greatest example I have ever seen of the pot calling the kettle black. You call me stupid because I believe we came from a common designer without being able to prove it 100%. YOU believe in macro-evolution without being able to prove it .00000000000000000001%. SO WHAT if the genes of chimpanzees and humans are alike? Why does genes get the benefit of the doubt? Why couldn't it be chromosomes? Hmmm? Evolution is verifiable??? Pardon me, I nearly died laughing!
jondabill1 7 months ago
@jondabill1 take a science class. Your lack of understanding of even the most basic concepts of Biology proves nothing other than the fact that you are an idiot.
djtripnosys 7 months ago
Quality entertainment. That guy really thinks he's going to be able to draw even with Matt. Hehehehe.
faarsight 7 months ago
Matt Dillahunty is ignorant of theology. He criticizes stuff in the Bible that isn't even there...
Autumn6 7 months ago
@jondabill1
Not the same thing. Seeing a wonderful sunrise does not mean the sun actually rises, it's more of a metaphorical expression of ancient civilations that had no idea the earth revolved on its axis
The same metaphorical comparison can be said about moonlight, but is nonetheless incorrect in factuality.
TomPark1986 7 months ago
@TomPark1986 Brilliant. So the Bible HAS to write everything so YOU will be happy with it. God can't write the book the way he wants to? When he writes things scientifically, people say they can't understand it and when He writes it so people can understand it, then people complain that he's not being scientific. Which way is it? I asked you if you wake up to see the sunrise, and that shook you up a bit. The term is culturally imbedded into our minds, but it isn't scientifically accurate.
jondabill1 7 months ago
@jondabill1
Well lets just say a book is a really shitty way of getting such an important message across....especially since people disagree whether it's actually authentic or not. I mean what the hell, it's more reasonable to say that it's bullshit than to accept that it's true. Accepting the bible as the truth just testifies to people 's gullibilty and lack of critical thinking. It's also pretty arrogant to think god has any interest or purpose for us in the first place.
TomPark1986 7 months ago
@jondabill1
Yeah joseph smith also found a bunch of golden scriptures in upstate new york in what 1870 or something...and people claim him to be a true prophet, and that the scriptures are god's true words....the point is that there have been so many religions that claim to have an EXCLUSIVE relationship with god. It's more reasonable to think that it's all a bunch of hocus pocus bullshit.
TomPark1986 7 months ago
@TomPark1986 About Joseph Smith, simple. The scripture is the boss and the scripture says that even if an "ANGEL from heaven were to come down and tell you something DIFFERENT than the gospel that was revealed to Paul, to not listen to him." Joseph did though, and thus Mormonism started. If he had read his BIBLE, that wouldn't have happened. That BIBLE is so important. It has all the answers.
jondabill1 7 months ago
@jondabill1
The bible has all the answers for those who believe in the christian god. ...the same that Jainism, hinduism, islam and any other religion with scriptures that claim it has all the answers. The bible is nothing special to anyone except for philologists,historians and christians. That fact that someone can claim to be a prophet, and then have people believe him/her like joseph smith did testifies to the reasonable conclusion that past religions did the same damn thing.
TomPark1986 7 months ago
@jondabill1, I would say for someone to take the Bible seriously, you would first have to prove to me that the Bible DOES have all the answers. I have never been a Christian, and have struggled to understand why someone would believe this stuff. I have never heard any evidence that would lead me to believe the Bible (I've read it, before you try and use it as evidence).
In the end, it boils down to: Show me some verifiable evidence that a God exists, then try and prove its the Christian God
Paschall18 7 months ago
@Paschall18 Very well put !!!!! Hitchens would approve lol these people are so blind
allanhill1 6 months ago
@allanhill1, believe it or not I haven't read much of Hitchens work myself, though it is on my (unfortunately) long list of authors to look into. Maybe I'll move him up...
Paschall18 6 months ago
@Paschall18 he has become my new hero LOL Christopher Hitchen is probably better heard rather than read. i also have not read his books but have listened to many of his debates on youtube. he has a certain arrogant confidence about him and i have yet to see him become frazzled or nervous when confronting theists and believers. he can destroy the best of arguments with his wit. Good day to you
allanhill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1 The bible is a book...nothing more. It has been translated an unknown amout of times. It has been edited and re-edited. it is nothing more than a collection of stories from people who lived thousands of years ago. Written in times when the people had no idea what lightning was aqnd feared it !!! Absolutely none if it can be verified. It claims extraordinay events which go against all logic and physical laws !!!! Come on people....Wake up and enjoy your life before its too late
allanhill1 6 months ago
@jondabill1
The fact that god is inept at giving us a clear way to understand what it means testifies to the fact(allegedly) that god ain't as powerful as people define god to be. The point is also that if the bible had scientific shit in it that wasn't known for back then- and that if the bible was the eternal word of god, you'd think there'd be new info in the book to help us along the way besides poetic aphorisms and allusions that are confusing and misleading.
TomPark1986 7 months ago
@TomPark1986 God HAS given us a clear way of understanding what the Bible means. You compare scripture with scripture. "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Reading the Bible is a lot like doing science, because if the theory doesn't match, say you come across a verse that doesn't match what you believe, study it, find out what's going on, who wrote it, when, and who did he write it to. These things help.
jondabill1 7 months ago
@jondabill1
Citing scripture is a stupid way to try and verify what you're saying is true.
TomPark1986 7 months ago
@TomPark1986 Citing unverified "evidence" and "proof" without actually citing it, giving the source, is a stupid way to verify what you BELIEVE is true.
jondabill1 7 months ago
I also have zero proof fairies do not live in gardens, and that leprachauns do not hide a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.....it doesn't make these notions any less stupid. I also can't prove the earth was not created in 6 days by a god who took a REST on the 7th. It's in the same category as ANY other myth in existence. Just because a myth can't be proven false doesn't mean that it's intelligible.
TomPark1986 7 months ago
@jondabill1
All I would have to do is go to any meidcal university library pull some references out of any virology journal, and your ass would be defeated. Internet links are garbage for sources.....real sources are at university libraries. If you are actually interested in finding evidence for evolution, conduct research on evolution via scholarly sources.
TomPark1986 7 months ago
@jondabill1
I don't think it's far out of god's way to write something so that all people can understand it the same way. God did create the fuckin' universe no? What the hell kind of god 'tests' humans anyways.....it's like were an experiment...it makes no sense! It makes MORE sense to conclude that god is just a societal construct that is used as a crutch when our understanding of something comes to screeching halt!
TomPark1986 7 months ago
@TomPark1986 Again, if the Bible is true, and I have no doubt about it, there is a spirit besides God called the Devil or Satan, that HATES man. He will try to make people lose their faith in the Bible and will try to get people to have their own private interpretation JUST so people like you will say that people can't all understand it the same way, therefore, "there is no God." That book is not like Homer's Illiad, its not like the Koran, its not like any other book because God wrote it.
jondabill1 7 months ago
@jondabill1
Yeah satan is an excuse made up by the authors to try and convince people that instead of the bible being bullshit, it's satan fucking with your mind. It's an insurance policy.
TomPark1986 7 months ago