I am hindu...the video shows Brahma (father)....Vishnu (Mary) Lol!! next Shiva(Jesus)....rofl...overall roflmao...wat trash is this.Trinity in hinduism is that God is one but exists in 3 forms,brahma creator,Vishnu ...manager or sustainer and Shiva ...destroyer.ANyways when did Mary get involved in trinity of christians?holy spirit,father n son jesus r the 3 chracters in trinity.
Muhammad was a child-molesting Pedophile. He was a dangerous sexual predator. If that pedophile were alive today he would definitely be a "registered sex offender" in the states and euorpa, 2 continents infested with mushrooms (muzlims).
This is the standard muslim total ignorance of the trinity, that Mary was a part of it (as alluded to in the Qu'ran). I am not a christian, but I think in order to honour 'al haq' (the truth) it might be worthwhile to at least attempt to represent accurately the beliefs of others. People who do not / cannot do this do not really have a lot to be saying.
@whyteay It does not matter what the qur'an thinks of xtianity or any other dogma it PLAGIARIZED from. What matters is you need to know that MOzzies blindly follow (like zombies) a dangerous sexual predator cult leader like Muhammad and are willing to HARM you so they can Earn a brothel paradise Muhammad invented and sold them on where they can fornicate with under-age girls and boys! Read the HoRan, it's all in there.
@whyteay It does not matter what the qur'an thinks of xtianity or any other dogma it PLAGIARIZED from. What matters is you need to know that MOzzies blindly follow (like zombies) a dangerous sexual predator cult leader like Muhammad and are willing to HARM you so they can Earn a brothel paradise Muhammad invented and sold them on where they can fornicate with under-age girls and boys! Read the HoRan, it's all in there.
This being the case, who is to be resurrected to eternal life and who is to be resurrected to damnation? Those who tie themselves to Christ in faith will see life. Islam rejects this truth.
What in the human psyche affirms a common belief in resurrection? In the Christian revelation, Christ ASSURED the resurrection, in that he was able to demonstrate he was the Son of God, as he claimed to be. Christ demonstrated himself to be the the Son of God through rising HIMSELF from the dead, through the Father, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Ancients believed Hercules to be a son of God (Zeus). Does this belief nullify that Christ is God the Son? Pagans, CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, hoped (in some sense) for a deity, or deities, to save them. They had a flawed revelation of God. Still, humans, through the ages, have looked toward Deity and Last Things. Zoroastrianism , a precursor to Islam, affirms the resurrection the dead. Does this earlier religious tradition nullify the Muslim belief of resurrection presented in the Koran?
@colonious ur right. In the beginning God made a pledge with Abraham which means only his offspring's would be the chosen ones. But in the mist of everything they broke it so that's why he sent his begotten son Jesus Christ to die for our sins. He loved his creation so much he gave up his son which is God incarnated. He was the perfect sacrifice. He in fact was the only human that defeated death. Now he reins in heaven.
Did you guys ever hear about the trinity which is the father the son and holy spirit. Were did ii guys get Mary from??? The trinity come in when our God manifested himself in three different forms. The Godhead are God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy spirit. Jesus Christ came to save us from our sins, the Holy Spirit resides with us, and God which is the creator of all living things had to manifest himself in this two forms in order to interact with us
Judism was father of Islam ana christainity . Because God concept is taken from
there reason Jesus was Jew and Mohammad was born in neighbouring country of Israel , birth place of Jesus , so he was knowing about Judism and Jesus boths. His muslim army was like gang of robbers .
So he read both carefully and made his own religion. All persons who believed in his fiction was his army . And non believers were there to be looted and raped .
Mary doesn't fit in the Christian Triunity, she was born with a sinful nature. 1st John says there are THREE persons in Heaven, Father, Son, and Spirit and they are one in agreement.
bro william Branham said that both trinity and oneness are BOTH WRONG!
he said when you get it between oneness and trinity you will get it just exaclty
some of the in between terminology that he used was Jesus was a Dual person, Father and Son were inseperable or yoked together.
God and Christ were in divine fellowship. that is why when Jesus said I have sat down with my Father on His throne yet John only saw ONE sitting upon the throne
Islam was not the first to believe in a god or gods without a holy trinity. The only true "religion" is the lack thereof, aka atheism. Man made god. We humans evolved around wondering why and how we got here. We had hundreds of thousands of years and some sort of higher power at one point before homo sapiens (us) came along, our ancestors created god(s), clearly seen by their burial rituals, suggesting their belief in an afterlife.
It amazes me how L.D.S (Mormon) and Muslim and many Christian's for that matter believe they have prophet's that teach greater thing's than Christ's gift of Grace and would walk by head held high, hand at the ready to strike out at anyone who oppses them. That is the sign of a weak god! One who need's henchmen, The God of the Bible is strong and will return, and every knee shall bend Read the Bible you'll find out Christ is your Savior! Not a man made religon.
Give it up and worship the Lord your God, not a man!
Since you are into taking the bible literally, then why don't you give up this ridiculous belief in trinity? There is not trinity mentioned in the bible either!
If there was a trinity God would have made it clear at Mt Sinai 3300 years ago to Moses & the entire nation of Israel!
@KTK401 You really need to know your scripture, because it's quiet clear that you don't. There are plenty of passages indicating that the teaching of the trinity is in fact very valid, you just simply keep ingnoring them like every other Muslim that i have come into contact with, and it's always the same argument. Yes, the word "Trinity" is no where found in scripture, but however the concept or the "Description" of it is in fact very evident in scripture (see Gen 1:26, 3:22, 11:7).
@KTK401 Clearly these descriptions are trinitarian in nature, why? because of the plural pronouns that are attributed to or is used by this very same God. The descriptions "US and "OUR", obviously indicates the communication within the Triune God itself, in short, it's (One person of the God head, speaking to another).
@KTK401 (Yet amazingly it took the pagan idolaters of Rome to figure this out when at Mt Sinai God made it clear to His people that He is One?)
Uh hello, no one is denying the fact that there is only (One God), the bible clearly states this, and I nowhere denied this fact, but at the same time, this very same God describes himself in plurality whenever he speaks also, and clearly the passages mentioned before indicate this fact.
@KTK401 If you read (Genesis 1:26) closely, it clearly says "Then God said", notice that it starts with a singular description (God), not (Gods), this is an obvious indication that it is only (One God) speaking, and yet further on in the text, this very same God uses a plural attribute which is still attached to himself by the words "US" and "Our", and then describes an object outside of himself (Humans).
@KTK401 Clearly the words "US" and "Our" is pertaining to the different persons of the Godhead who are speaking with one another. You can deny it all you want, but clearly scripture indicates this fact.
@KTK401 "BTW the plurality is generally the royal plural, but God spoke to the angels in Gen."
Your referring to the "Plural of Majesty", I'm well aware of that as well, in fact many Muslims use that argument all the time when trying to deny the Trinity, the problem with that assertion, is that it has no bearing on scripture at all, nor on Christianity, in fact, the term itself was a term used by kings who tried to equate themselves with the Gods.
@KTK401 However the passages within the Book of Genesis are not associated with this term in regards to it's meaning, so your completely incorrect, there isn't even a shred of evidence linking the terms used in scripture historically in regards to the "Plural of Majesty", it's simply an invention used by (again) kings who equated themselves as Gods because of there royal authority. And (FYI), the passages are not in correlation with Angels, nowhere in the passages is this even indicated.
@KTK401 cont--And it's interesting that you said "worship the Lord your God, not a man!", considering the fact that you hold "Mohamed" to such a high esteem, even to the point of him being somewhat of a deity, even though it's quiet obvious that he is nothing more then a prophet (a false prophet to be exact). So before you make false accusations and assumptions about the teachings of Christianity, my advise would be for you to try looking at it with the will in wanting to understand it.
@demondagger19 The self righteousness & arrogance (and paranoia!) of many trinitarians makes it evident they don't hold the truth as a tree is *judged by it's fruit* :)
It also shows how fanatical & crazy the fundamentalists are becoming. Everyone who disagrees with you must be "muslim"
You are paranoid. I am an ex-christian. I couldn't care less what Mohammed did.
Why do you think I quoted Mt Sinai? LOL
The pagan trinity is what is killing Christianity.
@KTK401 (The self righteousness & arrogance (and paranoia!) of many trinitarians makes it evident they don't hold the truth as a tree is *judged by it's fruit* :)
My confused friend, I nowhere claimed to be better, or more righteous then anyone else, so if anyone is being self righteous here, it's you.
"You are paranoid. I am an ex-christian. I couldn't care less what Mohammed did."
Then why are you defending a faith that you clearly aren't apart of? Now who's being illogical lol?
@demondagger19 Because at least the muslims worship God as their forefather Abraham did. As ONE.
It;s a crying shame & frankly embarassing that Christianity cannot do the same. Christianity has become pagan idolatry just like the ancient Roman religions.
Jesus was hijacked by the romans and "turned into a god" and part of an imaginary "trinity" in order to make him acceptable to the Roman populace.
This is exactly what I'm talking about, you keep contradicting yourself every time, one minute you say that Jesus isn't God, and then the next minute you claim that he is, this is about the second time that you have done this now. You seriously need to get some help. It's ether he is God, or isn't God. Now, is he, or is he not the eternal God in human form, yes or no? If you deny the deity of Christ, then you are not christian, plain and simple.
@KTK401 "It;s a crying shame & frankly embarassing that Christianity cannot do the same. Christianity has become pagan idolatry just like the ancient Roman religions."
This has to be one of the most asinine statements that I've ever seen, especially from one claiming to be a Christian, if you actually studied the doctrine of the Trinity itself, then you would have known that it (again), does not teach the belief in three gods you moron.
@KTK401 And anyone who even has a basic understanding of the doctrine itself, knows this full well. In fact, All christian denominations believe in this very teaching itself, including the divinity of Christ, weather they be Catholic, Protestant, or Christian Orthodox, and you my friend, don't fit nether category, so stop kidding yourself.
@KTK401 The only religions so far, that claim to be Christian, and yet deny these exact teachings, are christian cults such as Mormonism and the Jehovah Witness organization, both of which are (in essence) Arianism in nature which the christian church denied because of it's heretical views, they contradicted the very clear teachings of scripture, and that is why there teachings where rejected.
@KTK401 It's quiet obvious that your mind has become so warped that you can't even differentiate between true, and false doctrine, your just as corrupted as the christian cults in which you defend, and it's not surprising judging by this whole entire conversation, your a heretic, it's as simple as that.
@KTK401 "Because at least the muslims worship God as their forefather Abraham did. As ONE."
Uh, genus, Muslims and Jews, do not worship the same God you idiot, if you've actually studied the god of Islam, and the God of Christianity by comparison, you would know that they are in no way alike, and I would know, because I've studied the Koran long enough to know this for certain. They are not the least bit alike in any way.
@KTK401 what a load of TRIPE. The God of Israel is ABSOLUTELY NOT the God of Islam. Such a blasphemous comparison can only be deduced by a person deluded of spiritual discernment. How can two contrasting God's be compared and you claim they are the same. To claim ur Islamic faith supercedes Christian or Judiac beliefs is so flawed its only those besotted with the Korans fables and plaigerised scrioptures that could utter such ridiculous statements. grab a brain urs aint working.
@colonius12321 what a load of TRIPE. The God of Israel is ABSOLUTELY NOT the God of Islam. Such a blasphemous comparison can only be deduced by a person devoid of spiritual discernment. How can two contrasting God's be compared and you claim they are the same. To claim ur Islamic faith supercedes Christian or Judiac beliefs is so flawed its only those besotted with the Korans fables and plaigerised scrioptures that could utter such ridiculous statements. grab a brain urs aint working.
@colonius12321 The G-d of Israel is absolutely the G-d of Islam. That is well established aby all of Judaism and all of MAINSTREAM Christianity. It is not "blasphemous" so stop being so stupid & melodramatic (so typical of you fundie loonies)
Islam at least is right that Jesus is not G-d.
The only problem is fundamentalist loonies like you.
I'm not muslim either - you are another PARANOID. I am a proud Ben Noah.
@demondagger19 You are the self righteous one. Ranting and raving at non trinitarians.
It is clearly a continuation of the attitude of trinitarians towards monotheists all throughout the history of Christianity.
John Calvin BUTCHERED a man simply for expressing his opinion. And now millions of delusional protestants continue in that same evil spirit to this day.
Luckily God is just & will eventually let the truth win.
The trinity doctrine will be history in the future.
@KTK401 And my friend, there is no such thing as an ex-christian according to scripture, so you obviously are no christian, in fact you never where from the start, you see, although you professed saving faith in Christ, you never where a true believer to begin with, and your rejection of the christian faith is evidence of his fact, for no one who is a true believer in Christ, will depart from him (1 John 2:19, John 15), in short, you where never a christian to begin with.
@demondagger19 LOL. I was a christian. Taking communion, preaching, teaching trinity all that stuff. And I genuinely believed in it. It's *melodramatic* nonsense to say "oh but you were never a christian to begin with" Haha, that's just sad.
@KTK401 (LOL. I was a christian. Taking communion, preaching, teaching trinity all that stuff. And I genuinely believed in it.)
Ya....you keep telling yourself that lol. My friend, there are many who have claimed to be Christian, much like you have, and every bit of them have done pretty much the very things you have done also, communion, preaching, the works, and yet not one of them where as every but as saved as you where.
@KTK401 "The early Christians were strict monotheists."
Uh ya, I got the memo a long time ago lol, so what else you got?
"What makes a true Christian is good deeds & keeping God's commandments & Jesus' teachings."
So then all the none christian cults like the Mormons, and the JW's must be doing something right, even though in contrast, there doctrines are completely heretical to Christianity right lol? If your right, then there just as every bit as saved as you are apparently lol.
@KTK401 "Not "faith in Jesus' death" and belief in an absurd and totally pagan man-god and "trinity"
LOL!! haha!! Wow...just wow, this is to rich lol, then Paul is a heretic according to your logic lol, because he flat out emphasizes it as the clear gospel (good news) by means for saving sinners and providing salvation for all of humanity (Romans 1:16, 1 Corinthians 15:2-4).
@KTK401 LOL!! HAHAHA!!! Oh my gosh...DAHAHA!!, dude you are to much LOL!! wow, please just DAHAHA!! LOL!!, what a comedian LOL!! I've never seen a supposed christian deny the most important doctrines of Christianity, and yet claim to be a christian at the same time, well...except for cults like Mormons, and the JW's. Man you are of a class of your own LOL!!
@KTK401 Kid, Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus before when he was a persecutor of Christians in the Book of Acts, back before when he was known as Saul.
@KTK401 And ever since then, he became a follower of Christ after his encounter with him, so ya, Paul met Jesus, and that encounter changed his life into the Apostle we all know and very much love, in fact, in the Book of 1 Corinthians, Paul further reaffirms his encounter with Christ (Chapter 15). I don't know where your getting your ideals from, but clearly they are completely inaccurate.
@KTK401 "Jesus' death on the cross was to offer redemption from death on the cross, as the Gospels make clear!"
Way to state the obvious, I nowhere denied the sufficiency of Christ's death on the cross to begin with, so why the heck are you bringing it up as if I did smart guy? Your basically bringing up something that has no relevance to the conversation at hand to begin with.
His death cannot wipe away anyone's sin. The whole idea of Jesus' death on the cross washing away personal sins of each individual is both wrong & pagan. It was formulated by the Roman Catholics & the Orthodox church & the early church never believed in such a thing!
@demondagger19 I would urge you to look up the Orthodox church and learn what they believe. Since you can't let go of the "trinity" doctrine, at least try looking into the original church which has faithfully retained the true belief and meaning of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.
You can go to orthodoxinfo c o m and read "What Christ Accomplished on the Cross"
Hope this helps you, so u can avoid the pagan idolatry of the romans & their belief in vicarious atonement & vile human sacrifice idea
@KTK401 kid, the bible gives us all the info we need on what Christ accomplished on the cross, the fact that you clearly keep denying scripture obviously indicates that you don't believe the bible to be Gods word, you clearly are a heretic, and you need to know that, you deny the deity of Christ, you deny the Trinity, as well as denying even the death of Christ for the forgiveness of sins (once for all), and more so even ignoring the significance of it, you clearly are a heretic.
@demondagger19 "kid, the bible gives us all the info we need on what Christ accomplished on the cross"
Study Judaism, then study the original belief in what Christ accomplished on the cross (Orthodoxy) & then come back and tell me that!
Heresy is deviating form the original faith. Western Christianity is heretic.
The Orthodox church were wrong to adopt the "trinity" (they had no choice it was forced on everyone by Rome) but their theology on The Cross was absolutely correct!
@KTK401 "Heresy is deviating form the original faith. Western Christianity is heretic."
No, just you, and others much like yourself, you again, are a heretic, and a clear one at that.
"The Orthodox church were wrong to adopt the "trinity"
On the contrary, they where right in doing so, you just simply deny it because of the bases of "Because I don't understand it, therefore, it must be rejected", you sir, are, yet again, a heretic.
@KTK401 Ether that, or your just really ill informed on what it actually means. If you want know the significance of the death of Christ, read the Old Testament in the Book of Leviticus, and also the Book of Hebrews chapters 9-10 and the Book of 1 John chapter 2. These are good books to start with if you want to get a good idea as to what the sacrifice of Christ means.
@KTK401 But it's up to you. The Sacrifice of Christ was not apart of a roman ideology, rather it is rooted in Jewish tradition. And the Sacrifices in the Old Testament is a significance to this fact.
@KTK401 "It is not! Study & learn. I really don't want to send you to outreach judaism because I don't want you to lose faith in Jesus, our Messiah."
You really are a blind fool, again, yes it is, read the Old Testament, and study it for yourself, the sacrifice of Christ is deep rooted in the traditions of Judaism, again, read the Old Testament, and study it for yourself, and stop believing in these false teachings which you cling to, it's for your own good.
@KTK401 And the only thing that's going to be lost here, is your soul because of these false doctrines that you've followed after, it will be the death of you, and the sooner you wake up and realize this, the better.
@KTK401 "Please note that the ORIGINAL church never had such a theology! The Orthodox church are called that for a reason!"
You really are stupid, the Orthodox church has always upheld the deity of Christ, as well as the teaching of the trinity also you moron, all christian denominations hold to these tenants of Christianity, except for (again) Mormonism, and the Jehovah Witnesses, or any other christian cult. Are you so dense that you can't see just how flawed your theology is?
@KTK401 wow a seemingly cleaver Muslim. Maybe learnt from Dr Naik the Snake. Well smarty pants its just so that the Reign of Christ was DURING the Roman rule Duh!! I should well imagine the New Testament started at around that time (when Christ died...wouldn't u?? Everyone else agrees with me but U...well Ur starting to embarrass urself. Because u stone god worshippers dont believe in Jesus doesnt in anyway diminish His divinity. Most muslim claims are neurotic and blasphemous. Take a hike sonny
@colonius12321 You obviously have NO BRAINS whatsoever. I already stated that I am not a muslim. Unless you disregarded that due to your obvious PARANOIA. Who the hell is naik the snake? A wrestler you crackers watch on WWF?
Don't try to sound intelligent it doesn't suit you loony. Just stick to the facts.
Jesus is not G-d and never claimed to be you paranoid histrionic dysfunctional fanatic.
Here's a basic for you Jesus is not G-d - the idea started in Rome in the 4th Century.
@KTK401 I'm telling YOU to take a hike you arrogant Jew boy. uR forefathers killed ur Messiah, U naturally defame Jesus and His divinity as thats easier than accepting the truth. As I said, go take a hike Jerk, ur ego needs reconditioning and sure we can parry back and forth but at the end of the day Jesus is still ruling even when u stupidly deny Gen 1:26. Ur a bloody misguided egocentric religious bigot. You lose, again.
@KTK401 one more thing IQ101, Christians world wide aren't generally having to combat idiotic Jews who though they deny Christ as their saviour are not necessarily stupid enough to accept the Muslim claim of worshipping the God of Abraham. Read the Koran. The Muslim claims of accepting The Law of Moses separates their God when their written babble doesnt endorse the Torah. Cant be bothered arguing those facts, likewise the WE and US used in Gen 1:26 implies Jesus existence before time and Jews
@KTK401 You'd be surprised as to how much info is in the OT has, and how it relates to the sacrifice of Christ. It's really amazing stuff. But then again like I said, it's up to you.
@KTK401 If your right, then Paul is wrong, and your not saved lol. And again, if your going to deny the trinity, then you must deny all of Gods other attributes as well, for just as Gods ability in being all knowing is apart of who he is, so is the trinity also, and though both of them cannot be understood logically, they are both however apart of who God is, you can't reject one, but except the other, they all must be excepted if you claim to be a Christian, so which is it kid?
@KTK401 Let's take a lesson from the Gospel of Matthew, shall we? In Matthew 7, Jesus describes a startling scenario that portrays a reality of a real truth regarding "False Prophets", and describes them as "Wolves in sheep's clothing", you see, all though they looked like believers, and even so far as acted like true believers on the outside, on the inside they where nothing more then wolves pretending to be what they truly weren't (Sheep).
I was never like you when I was a trinitarian. So your story is right & apt & very fitting!
I was never truly a trinitarian. I was always a true Christian. Obviously this was the case since I was never so filled with arrogance & self righteousness and hatred like you & your kind!
What you said proved even more to me that the true faith in Christ is non-trinitarian!
Trinitarians are filled with anger & hate! Wolves in sheep's clothing!
@KTK401 You went to church, read your bible, probably payed your tithes each day, heck, I'll even bet you even fasted before, just to be super spiritual, and oh ya, and I'm sure you've never even lusted before lol, oh and let me guess, you've never even heard of the word porn in your life, or have probably never even seen it before, am I right?
@KTK401 "You are making a lot of freudian slips here! Now we all know your secrets. LOL! :)"
Wow, you really are a Moron, aren't you? Dude, I have news for you, it's not a secret, though it's obvious that's it's your first time hearing as to what exactly is. There are plenty of Christians who struggle with this as well, so cut the smug uppity white washed attitude you hypocritical Pharisee.
@KTK401 The fact that you didn't even answer the question obviously proves that your to self-righteous to admit your sins also, your a whitewashed tomb filled with dead men' bones, and the fact that your smiling like the fool you are, indicates your complete and utter ignorance to this fact. It absolutely astounds me how you even ever called yourself a christian to begin with, it's just mind boggling.
@KTK401 ....What a pile of garbage, no one is righteous, not even your sorry hide, so don't play the "Oh I'm so innocent crap", because it won't work, ya, I'm not perfect, but at least I'm able to admit it, I'm only a christian because God saved me by his Grace alone, and I'm man enough to admit that i don't deserve anything from God, and yet God has saved me despite my imperfections and flaws, your just to high and mighty to admit that you have skeletons in the closet as well.
@KTK401 "Hahahaha You really need to go to outreachjudaism and learn!"
Oh, what's wrong?, are you ashamed of revealing your sins also?, don't tell me the squeaky clean preachers to high and mighty to admit his dirty little secrets? Come on, be honest, you know you have? Are you going to tell me that you've never lusted before?
@KTK401 Wow, this is exactly what I'm talking about, you really are a white washed tomb, being the good little boyscout, you make yourself out to look like a christian, because you feel that it suits you and makes you look good, when in actuality, your not different then the Mormons or the JW's, and there as every bit as lost as you are. It's actually quiet sad.
@demondagger19 Haha! I DID see that the "story" was aimed at me!
That's why I said you are completely filled with self righteousness and hate.
You get angry with anyone who disagrees with your pagan & insane theology, a theology which Jesus Himself would condemn & the Almighty God condemns utterly.
You are so blinded by your own sanctimony and self righteousness that you walk around condemning people & ignoring Jesus' teachings!
@KTK401 "You are so blinded by your own sanctimony and self righteousness that you walk around condemning people & ignoring Jesus' teachings! A tree is judged by its fruit!"
LOL!, then according to your logic then, Jesus was a condemning, self-righteous, blind, judgmental individual when he judged the pharisees and there religious views (Matthew 23). And just as Jesus described the pharisees in the same way as being "Blind Guilds" in (Matthew 23), you are no different then they are.
You really are an idiot, how in the world is that an indication that the trinity is false? You haven't even proven that is was false to begin with, all your basically doing is denying the trinity, only on the bases of "Since I can't understand it, then it must be rejected", if that's your notion to go on, then that's a pretty poor one at best. Again, if your going to deny the trinity, then the rest of his other attributes must be rejected also.
As I already said, a tree is judged by it's fruit. Since you trinitarian fundies claim to "have the Holy Spirit" (as if She is a commodity exclusive to you!) then you should be peaceful no?
But you are not, you are aggressive & angry & judge everyone. Especially when people disagree with you. Just like Martin Luther & John Calvin!
It IS proof trinity is false then, because a tree is judged by it's as Christ told us!
@KTK401 "But you are not, you are aggressive & angry & judge everyone. Especially when people disagree with you. Just like Martin Luther & John Calvin!"
Again, who did Jesus disagree with in Matthew 23? was it not the pharisees? and did he not judge them also, calling them "blind guides" and "white washed tombs filled with dead men' bones" while also disagreeing with there religious views? Obviously he did.
@KTK401 Clearly the Jesus you follow, and the Jesus from scripture, are entirely different, which means, you do not follow the same Jesus, but a totally different and false Jesus, one based on your own ideals of how he would be, rather then what the scriptures describe him as. In other words, the Jesus in which you hold so dear to, is not the same Jesus from scripture, but a false Jesus based on your own presuppositions. Basically, your chasing a phantom, he's not real.
@KTK401 And if that's your proof or evidence for the trinity being false, then I'm sorry to say, but that was a waist of time. The only capabilities you have in keeping your false hope, that the trinity is false, is to play the victim and act innocent, and portray me as the big bad wolf trying to terrorize and demoralize individuals, simply because I happen to speak against your false teachings, believe it or not, it's the oldest trick in the book, so save it because it's not going to work.
@KTK401 And you can repeat the same mombo jumbo over and over again until hell freezes over, and that I'm the bad guy who's narrow minded and so forth, but the fact and the matter is, you are spreading false doctrine, and you need to know that, i honestly don't care what you want to call me, but you need to be put in your place, plain and simple, you are not a christian, and the fact that you've even denied the very fundamental teachings of Christianity is evidence of this fact.
@KTK401This in essence is in fact creating a god according to your own liking, and or Image in your mind by definition, that is not the God of the bible, but an idol of your own imagination, which according to (Exodus 20), is idolatry. In short, you've just created for yourself, an idol in which you have accommodated for yourself, one that you can feel more appeased to so that he can be more understandable according to your standards of intelligence or logic.
@KTK401 So in essence, the only idolater here, is you. I except God for who he is, and who he claims to describe himself as regardless if I understand it or not, you on the other hand, create for yourself a god in which you can understand, just to make yourself more comfortable, and or compatible with, so your the idolater, not me.
@KTK401 I'm sure you are, and to those who know the truth, I'm doing this for them, to both show, and expose to the world as to what exactly a false prophet truly is, and that is one who claims to believe in the tenants of Christianity, and yet denies it at the same time, much like yourself, you are a perfect example of a heretic, and any other well meaning bible believing christian would say the exact same thing also. Again, you are not a christian.
@KTK401 "There's that lovely sanctimony and self righteousness again!"
Heard it all before, your not the only individual who (usually from cults), who have claimed the same thing about me as well kid, so this isn't a shock nor a surprise to me. So just save it.
It's a shame you are so narrow minded that you won't do the honest research on where that theology came from.
At the council of Nicea Bishops were forced & threatened to vote for a trinity! Even though the vast majority were Arians (non trinitarians) It's ridiculous!
It was done for political expediency!
It's truly embarrassing that such blasphemy spread for politics.
@demondagger19 lol, it is obviously your way of dealing with the absurdity of the trinity as you have demonstrated here: "Oh believe me, I have, and lots of it I might add."
@KTK401 "At the council of Nicea Bishops were forced & threatened to vote for a trinity! Even though the vast majority were Arians (non trinitarians) It's ridiculous!"
Wow, you really need to know your theology properly.
No, it's theology. Constantine only used Christianity in order to try and keep Rome established or stable, but that had no bearing on the bishops and there beliefs. The events that took place in (A.D 325) happened as a response to the Arian teaching itself in order to combat against it, so in essence this was due to a theological context, not a political one in regards to the events that took place at Nicea. Again, know your theology.
@KTK401 The Council of Nicaea (first off), wasn't about the Trinity, rather the Council of Nicaea, only argued against the Arian heracy, which was challenging the already excepted teaching of the deity of Christ, the Arians where teaching that Jesus Christ (although divine), was a created being.
@KTK401 But the Council rejected there doctrines, and thus maintained the deity of Christ and formulated a doctrine known as something called the Nicene Creed which was to combat against the Arian teaching itself.
@KTK401 According to the Creed it describes that Jesus was "God from God, Light from Light, Very God from Very God, begotten, not made, one substance (Homooseious) with the father, through him all things where made, for us and for our salvation, he came down from heaven, by the power of the holy spirit, he became incarnate through the virgin Mary, and was made man."
@KTK401 Basically, the creed was about the divine, and or human nature of Christ, not the Trinity, in other words, it was about Christs divine and human nature, and it was to respond against the false teachings of Arianism, that's what the Council of Nicaea was about, so that is completely incorrect again. Clearly theology is not your strong point, so stop trying.
@demondagger19 Actually it was all about Jesus being "god" or not. You obviously don;t have a clue as you were brainwashed by protestantism form the beginning. So stop pretending you understand the history or the church I belonged to for 29 years. You are embarrassing yourself.
It was all about politics not theology. Constantine himself saying he didn't care about the details as long as he was able to give the empire a religion that would unify them
@KTK401 "I believe in God, the Eternal, The Creator.I believe Jesus of Nazareth was the Jewish Messiah. The heavenly son of God who came down to earth so that we could make a connection with God."
@KTK401 "You are engaging in histrionics and melodrama because you can't figure out a simple answer to your question!
Then you wouldn't mind enlightening me by answering my question now, would you? Now answer the question, which Jesus, and which eternal God do you believe in? a minute ago, you said you don't believe in the deity of Christ, and now your saying that you do, now which is it? Do you believe that Jesus is God or not?
@KTK401 "I believe Jesus of Nazareth was the Jewish Messiah. The heavenly son of God who came down to earth so that we could make a connection with God."
This is clearly a flat-out lie, because a moment ago before, you claimed that Jesus was NOT God, and that you where deluded for even ever believing in it at all (see your quotation below)
"Jesus was never God. I was deluded all that time."
This just go's to show how stupid you really are. Do you believe in the deity of Christ, yes or no?
Why? because I speak the truth? What's wrong, is hearing the reality to much for you? Well why don't I even the odds by doing a little questionnaire, shall we? 1) Have you ever lusted after a women and or a man before?
And hey, just to help you out, I'll go first by answering yes to this question, heck I even went to a strip club before, what about you?
@KTK401 Even further, Matthew 7 also records that these false prophets did many extraordinary miracles (Casting out Demons, Healing the Sick) etc "In Jesus name", and yet Jesus says to them "Depart from me, I never knew you, Workers of iniquity", in short, despite the fact that they did many miraculous wonders and good deeds in Jesus' name, they never truly belonged to him.
@KTK401 Now, in light of this, what does that say about you? You see, though you may have professed saving faith in Christ, you never truly possessed it to begin with, in other words, you never where saved at all. Just because you played the little alter boy at bible camp, doesn't make you daddies little boy, to put it bluntly, you where never his son to begin with just because you tried to be daddies little favorite boyscout.
@KTK401 Mormons and the Jehovah Witnesses can just as well do the same thing as well, but that doesn't make them christian ether, though they may do allot of good deeds (and believe me, they have), there doctrines are damnable, and more so are sending some, if not most people to hell each second. And your on that path also.
@KTK401 "Jesus was never God. I was deluded all that time."
You where deluded the moment you started believing that you where a christian to begin with, the reality is that you simply never where. Hopefully you'll wake up one day, and except that reality, though I'm sure living in denial is obviously what your good at. Kid, I'm just trying to help you come to your senses, what you do with the info is up to you.
colonius was absolutely right
Santeora 2 weeks ago
offensive video created by uneducated kid
Santeora 2 weeks ago
islam is created by satan
Santeora 2 weeks ago
With all due respect, this is perhaps the most undeducated video that I have seen. I am angry at myself for clicking on this.
ApologeticsArsenal 1 month ago
I am hindu...the video shows Brahma (father)....Vishnu (Mary) Lol!! next Shiva(Jesus)....rofl...overall roflmao...wat trash is this.Trinity in hinduism is that God is one but exists in 3 forms,brahma creator,Vishnu ...manager or sustainer and Shiva ...destroyer.ANyways when did Mary get involved in trinity of christians?holy spirit,father n son jesus r the 3 chracters in trinity.
dheer1231 1 month ago
Muhammad was a child-molesting Pedophile. He was a dangerous sexual predator. If that pedophile were alive today he would definitely be a "registered sex offender" in the states and euorpa, 2 continents infested with mushrooms (muzlims).
lesterdiamond5 1 month ago
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We asians are expert in selling vacuum cleaners to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaners of judaism and chrisianity to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaner of Islam to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaners of Hinduism, Sikhism and Budhism to the world.
Ever wondered why no Prophet, Imam, Son of God, Bhagwan or Guru was ever born in Englnad, Holland, Poland, Norway, New Zealand, Australia, or Brazil.
we specialize in creating and selling the vacuum cleaners in the name of religion.
zulfitareen 1 month ago
This is the standard muslim total ignorance of the trinity, that Mary was a part of it (as alluded to in the Qu'ran). I am not a christian, but I think in order to honour 'al haq' (the truth) it might be worthwhile to at least attempt to represent accurately the beliefs of others. People who do not / cannot do this do not really have a lot to be saying.
whyteay 3 months ago
@whyteay It does not matter what the qur'an thinks of xtianity or any other dogma it PLAGIARIZED from. What matters is you need to know that MOzzies blindly follow (like zombies) a dangerous sexual predator cult leader like Muhammad and are willing to HARM you so they can Earn a brothel paradise Muhammad invented and sold them on where they can fornicate with under-age girls and boys! Read the HoRan, it's all in there.
lesterdiamond5 1 month ago
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@whyteay It does not matter what the qur'an thinks of xtianity or any other dogma it PLAGIARIZED from. What matters is you need to know that MOzzies blindly follow (like zombies) a dangerous sexual predator cult leader like Muhammad and are willing to HARM you so they can Earn a brothel paradise Muhammad invented and sold them on where they can fornicate with under-age girls and boys! Read the HoRan, it's all in there.
lesterdiamond5 1 month ago
The proper Bible DOES NOT contain the new testament....
straygypsy 5 months ago
This being the case, who is to be resurrected to eternal life and who is to be resurrected to damnation? Those who tie themselves to Christ in faith will see life. Islam rejects this truth.
citizenfine1 7 months ago
What in the human psyche affirms a common belief in resurrection? In the Christian revelation, Christ ASSURED the resurrection, in that he was able to demonstrate he was the Son of God, as he claimed to be. Christ demonstrated himself to be the the Son of God through rising HIMSELF from the dead, through the Father, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
citizenfine1 7 months ago
Ancients believed Hercules to be a son of God (Zeus). Does this belief nullify that Christ is God the Son? Pagans, CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, hoped (in some sense) for a deity, or deities, to save them. They had a flawed revelation of God. Still, humans, through the ages, have looked toward Deity and Last Things. Zoroastrianism , a precursor to Islam, affirms the resurrection the dead. Does this earlier religious tradition nullify the Muslim belief of resurrection presented in the Koran?
citizenfine1 7 months ago
God is One.
TRINITY- THE UNION OF THREE DIVINE PERSONS, THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT, IN ONE GOD.
In contrast, the ancient religions worshiped triads of three SEPARATE gods
TRIAD- A GROUP OF THREE ASSOCIATED ENTITIES OR OBJECTS
citizenfine1 7 months ago
@colonious ur right. In the beginning God made a pledge with Abraham which means only his offspring's would be the chosen ones. But in the mist of everything they broke it so that's why he sent his begotten son Jesus Christ to die for our sins. He loved his creation so much he gave up his son which is God incarnated. He was the perfect sacrifice. He in fact was the only human that defeated death. Now he reins in heaven.
TheAndyboy22 7 months ago
Did you guys ever hear about the trinity which is the father the son and holy spirit. Were did ii guys get Mary from??? The trinity come in when our God manifested himself in three different forms. The Godhead are God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy spirit. Jesus Christ came to save us from our sins, the Holy Spirit resides with us, and God which is the creator of all living things had to manifest himself in this two forms in order to interact with us
TheAndyboy22 7 months ago
Judism was father of Islam ana christainity . Because God concept is taken from
there reason Jesus was Jew and Mohammad was born in neighbouring country of Israel , birth place of Jesus , so he was knowing about Judism and Jesus boths. His muslim army was like gang of robbers .
So he read both carefully and made his own religion. All persons who believed in his fiction was his army . And non believers were there to be looted and raped .
jacabjoshef 8 months ago
@jacabjoshef NOPE
elimason242 7 months ago
Mary doesn't fit in the Christian Triunity, she was born with a sinful nature. 1st John says there are THREE persons in Heaven, Father, Son, and Spirit and they are one in agreement.
kasaibouF29 8 months ago
you ARE aware that the Christian trinity is not Father, Mother, Son, right? It is actually, Father, Son, Spirit.
kristineurie44 9 months ago
1+1+1= 1 Stupid Christian Mathematics
WhyN0TChristianity 9 months ago
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bro william Branham said that both trinity and oneness are BOTH WRONG!
he said when you get it between oneness and trinity you will get it just exaclty
some of the in between terminology that he used was Jesus was a Dual person, Father and Son were inseperable or yoked together.
God and Christ were in divine fellowship. that is why when Jesus said I have sat down with my Father on His throne yet John only saw ONE sitting upon the throne
dieselcowboy777 9 months ago
Some sort of higher power was created at some point*
link4265 9 months ago
Islam was not the first to believe in a god or gods without a holy trinity. The only true "religion" is the lack thereof, aka atheism. Man made god. We humans evolved around wondering why and how we got here. We had hundreds of thousands of years and some sort of higher power at one point before homo sapiens (us) came along, our ancestors created god(s), clearly seen by their burial rituals, suggesting their belief in an afterlife.
link4265 9 months ago
It amazes me how L.D.S (Mormon) and Muslim and many Christian's for that matter believe they have prophet's that teach greater thing's than Christ's gift of Grace and would walk by head held high, hand at the ready to strike out at anyone who oppses them. That is the sign of a weak god! One who need's henchmen, The God of the Bible is strong and will return, and every knee shall bend Read the Bible you'll find out Christ is your Savior! Not a man made religon.
pappyforyou 11 months ago
There is no trinity.
Give it up and worship the Lord your God, not a man!
Since you are into taking the bible literally, then why don't you give up this ridiculous belief in trinity? There is not trinity mentioned in the bible either!
If there was a trinity God would have made it clear at Mt Sinai 3300 years ago to Moses & the entire nation of Israel!
regards
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 You really need to know your scripture, because it's quiet clear that you don't. There are plenty of passages indicating that the teaching of the trinity is in fact very valid, you just simply keep ingnoring them like every other Muslim that i have come into contact with, and it's always the same argument. Yes, the word "Trinity" is no where found in scripture, but however the concept or the "Description" of it is in fact very evident in scripture (see Gen 1:26, 3:22, 11:7).
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 Clearly these descriptions are trinitarian in nature, why? because of the plural pronouns that are attributed to or is used by this very same God. The descriptions "US and "OUR", obviously indicates the communication within the Triune God itself, in short, it's (One person of the God head, speaking to another).
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 "Clearly these descriptions are trinitarian in nature"
Yet amazingly it took the pagan idolaters of Rome to figure this out when at Mt Sinai God made it clear to His people that He is One?
The idea there there is a triune God is itself a lunatic idea, the idea that there is "communication within the the God" is even more absurd!
God is One & unchanging. You need to learn your scripture!
BTW the plurality is generally the royal plural, but God spoke to the angels in Gen.
BH
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 (Yet amazingly it took the pagan idolaters of Rome to figure this out when at Mt Sinai God made it clear to His people that He is One?)
Uh hello, no one is denying the fact that there is only (One God), the bible clearly states this, and I nowhere denied this fact, but at the same time, this very same God describes himself in plurality whenever he speaks also, and clearly the passages mentioned before indicate this fact.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 If you read (Genesis 1:26) closely, it clearly says "Then God said", notice that it starts with a singular description (God), not (Gods), this is an obvious indication that it is only (One God) speaking, and yet further on in the text, this very same God uses a plural attribute which is still attached to himself by the words "US" and "Our", and then describes an object outside of himself (Humans).
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 Clearly the words "US" and "Our" is pertaining to the different persons of the Godhead who are speaking with one another. You can deny it all you want, but clearly scripture indicates this fact.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 "BTW the plurality is generally the royal plural, but God spoke to the angels in Gen."
Your referring to the "Plural of Majesty", I'm well aware of that as well, in fact many Muslims use that argument all the time when trying to deny the Trinity, the problem with that assertion, is that it has no bearing on scripture at all, nor on Christianity, in fact, the term itself was a term used by kings who tried to equate themselves with the Gods.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 However the passages within the Book of Genesis are not associated with this term in regards to it's meaning, so your completely incorrect, there isn't even a shred of evidence linking the terms used in scripture historically in regards to the "Plural of Majesty", it's simply an invention used by (again) kings who equated themselves as Gods because of there royal authority. And (FYI), the passages are not in correlation with Angels, nowhere in the passages is this even indicated.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
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@KTK401 Nice try ;P
demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 cont--And it's interesting that you said "worship the Lord your God, not a man!", considering the fact that you hold "Mohamed" to such a high esteem, even to the point of him being somewhat of a deity, even though it's quiet obvious that he is nothing more then a prophet (a false prophet to be exact). So before you make false accusations and assumptions about the teachings of Christianity, my advise would be for you to try looking at it with the will in wanting to understand it.
Peace.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 The self righteousness & arrogance (and paranoia!) of many trinitarians makes it evident they don't hold the truth as a tree is *judged by it's fruit* :)
It also shows how fanatical & crazy the fundamentalists are becoming. Everyone who disagrees with you must be "muslim"
You are paranoid. I am an ex-christian. I couldn't care less what Mohammed did.
Why do you think I quoted Mt Sinai? LOL
The pagan trinity is what is killing Christianity.
It is absurd & you know it.
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 Correction, I should say Ex-Trinitarian, not Ex-Christian.
Those who retain belief in Jesus as the Messiah and reject the trinity are the true Christians.
regards
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 (The self righteousness & arrogance (and paranoia!) of many trinitarians makes it evident they don't hold the truth as a tree is *judged by it's fruit* :)
My confused friend, I nowhere claimed to be better, or more righteous then anyone else, so if anyone is being self righteous here, it's you.
"You are paranoid. I am an ex-christian. I couldn't care less what Mohammed did."
Then why are you defending a faith that you clearly aren't apart of? Now who's being illogical lol?
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Because at least the muslims worship God as their forefather Abraham did. As ONE.
It;s a crying shame & frankly embarassing that Christianity cannot do the same. Christianity has become pagan idolatry just like the ancient Roman religions.
Jesus was hijacked by the romans and "turned into a god" and part of an imaginary "trinity" in order to make him acceptable to the Roman populace.
Jesus is the Messiah not God.
KTK401 11 months ago
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@KTK401 "Jesus is the Messiah not God."
This is exactly what I'm talking about, you keep contradicting yourself every time, one minute you say that Jesus isn't God, and then the next minute you claim that he is, this is about the second time that you have done this now. You seriously need to get some help. It's ether he is God, or isn't God. Now, is he, or is he not the eternal God in human form, yes or no? If you deny the deity of Christ, then you are not christian, plain and simple.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 "It;s a crying shame & frankly embarassing that Christianity cannot do the same. Christianity has become pagan idolatry just like the ancient Roman religions."
This has to be one of the most asinine statements that I've ever seen, especially from one claiming to be a Christian, if you actually studied the doctrine of the Trinity itself, then you would have known that it (again), does not teach the belief in three gods you moron.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 And anyone who even has a basic understanding of the doctrine itself, knows this full well. In fact, All christian denominations believe in this very teaching itself, including the divinity of Christ, weather they be Catholic, Protestant, or Christian Orthodox, and you my friend, don't fit nether category, so stop kidding yourself.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 The only religions so far, that claim to be Christian, and yet deny these exact teachings, are christian cults such as Mormonism and the Jehovah Witness organization, both of which are (in essence) Arianism in nature which the christian church denied because of it's heretical views, they contradicted the very clear teachings of scripture, and that is why there teachings where rejected.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 It's quiet obvious that your mind has become so warped that you can't even differentiate between true, and false doctrine, your just as corrupted as the christian cults in which you defend, and it's not surprising judging by this whole entire conversation, your a heretic, it's as simple as that.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Here's some true doctrine:
"Shema Yisrael Adonai eloheinu Adonai Ehad"
God is ONE.
Moshiach is not & never was God. EVER.
Well, not until the 4th Century C.E! LOL
Jesus 'aint God.
KTK401 10 months ago
@KTK401 , wt is proof that God is one ?? Arguments ??If many God theory is nonscientific then has single god theory proof ??
jacabjoshef 8 months ago
@KTK401 "Because at least the muslims worship God as their forefather Abraham did. As ONE."
Uh, genus, Muslims and Jews, do not worship the same God you idiot, if you've actually studied the god of Islam, and the God of Christianity by comparison, you would know that they are in no way alike, and I would know, because I've studied the Koran long enough to know this for certain. They are not the least bit alike in any way.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Oh sorry, but "duh" Muslims worship God just as the Jews do: As ONE.
It is the majority of Christians worldwide who have turned God into a "trinity" and worship a man as God (Jesus)
The God of Islam IS the God of Judaism. No Rabbi (or even Catholic or Orthodox priest for that matter) denies this basic fact.
You worship a man-god & make a fool out of yourself when you say such things!
Give it a rest & stop embarrassing yourself!
regards
KTK401 10 months ago
@KTK401 what a load of TRIPE. The God of Israel is ABSOLUTELY NOT the God of Islam. Such a blasphemous comparison can only be deduced by a person deluded of spiritual discernment. How can two contrasting God's be compared and you claim they are the same. To claim ur Islamic faith supercedes Christian or Judiac beliefs is so flawed its only those besotted with the Korans fables and plaigerised scrioptures that could utter such ridiculous statements. grab a brain urs aint working.
colonius12321 7 months ago
@colonius12321 what a load of TRIPE. The God of Israel is ABSOLUTELY NOT the God of Islam. Such a blasphemous comparison can only be deduced by a person devoid of spiritual discernment. How can two contrasting God's be compared and you claim they are the same. To claim ur Islamic faith supercedes Christian or Judiac beliefs is so flawed its only those besotted with the Korans fables and plaigerised scrioptures that could utter such ridiculous statements. grab a brain urs aint working.
colonius12321 7 months ago
@colonius12321 The G-d of Israel is absolutely the G-d of Islam. That is well established aby all of Judaism and all of MAINSTREAM Christianity. It is not "blasphemous" so stop being so stupid & melodramatic (so typical of you fundie loonies)
Islam at least is right that Jesus is not G-d.
The only problem is fundamentalist loonies like you.
I'm not muslim either - you are another PARANOID. I am a proud Ben Noah.
Grab a brain loonie, you might learn to spell.
Jesus IS NOT G-d.
KTK401 7 months ago
@colonius12321 BTW, don't try to sound smart with your melodramatic attempts to sound philosophical.
Judaic beliefs (including those of us Noahides) are NOT compatible with Christian trinity or the lunatic idea that Jesus is "G-d"
G-d did not and will never incarnate as a man. Jesus never even claimed to be G-d.
The Christian trinity is a pagan Roman idea that took over Christianity in the 4th Century.
Jesus worships G-d like all other men.
Jesus is not G-d.
KTK401 7 months ago
@demondagger19 You are the self righteous one. Ranting and raving at non trinitarians.
It is clearly a continuation of the attitude of trinitarians towards monotheists all throughout the history of Christianity.
John Calvin BUTCHERED a man simply for expressing his opinion. And now millions of delusional protestants continue in that same evil spirit to this day.
Luckily God is just & will eventually let the truth win.
The trinity doctrine will be history in the future.
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 And my friend, there is no such thing as an ex-christian according to scripture, so you obviously are no christian, in fact you never where from the start, you see, although you professed saving faith in Christ, you never where a true believer to begin with, and your rejection of the christian faith is evidence of his fact, for no one who is a true believer in Christ, will depart from him (1 John 2:19, John 15), in short, you where never a christian to begin with.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 LOL. I was a christian. Taking communion, preaching, teaching trinity all that stuff. And I genuinely believed in it. It's *melodramatic* nonsense to say "oh but you were never a christian to begin with" Haha, that's just sad.
Jesus was never God. I was deluded all that time.
Hear O Israel, The Lord our God, The Lord is ONE!
KTK401 11 months ago
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@KTK401 (LOL. I was a christian. Taking communion, preaching, teaching trinity all that stuff. And I genuinely believed in it.)
Ya....you keep telling yourself that lol. My friend, there are many who have claimed to be Christian, much like you have, and every bit of them have done pretty much the very things you have done also, communion, preaching, the works, and yet not one of them where as every but as saved as you where.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 And If you've truly believed that that is what makes a christian, a christian, then you have fooled yourself to the highest degree.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 The early Christians were strict monotheists.
What makes a true Christian is good deeds & keeping God's commandments & Jesus' teachings.
Not "faith in Jesus' death" and belief in an absurd and totally pagan man-god and "trinity"
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "The early Christians were strict monotheists."
Uh ya, I got the memo a long time ago lol, so what else you got?
"What makes a true Christian is good deeds & keeping God's commandments & Jesus' teachings."
So then all the none christian cults like the Mormons, and the JW's must be doing something right, even though in contrast, there doctrines are completely heretical to Christianity right lol? If your right, then there just as every bit as saved as you are apparently lol.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 "Not "faith in Jesus' death" and belief in an absurd and totally pagan man-god and "trinity"
LOL!! haha!! Wow...just wow, this is to rich lol, then Paul is a heretic according to your logic lol, because he flat out emphasizes it as the clear gospel (good news) by means for saving sinners and providing salvation for all of humanity (Romans 1:16, 1 Corinthians 15:2-4).
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 This is another matter which we will discuss next time if you wish.
The reality is, the early church never believed in this, in fact the Roman branch of the Catholic church created this doctrine & theology.
The original (Orthodox) church (in spite of it's tragic heresy in turning to the "trinity") retains the original meaning of Jesus' death on the cross
Jesus' death on the cross was to offer redemption from death on the cross, as the Gospels make clear!
Paul never met Jesus.
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 LOL!! HAHAHA!!! Oh my gosh...DAHAHA!!, dude you are to much LOL!! wow, please just DAHAHA!! LOL!!, what a comedian LOL!! I've never seen a supposed christian deny the most important doctrines of Christianity, and yet claim to be a christian at the same time, well...except for cults like Mormons, and the JW's. Man you are of a class of your own LOL!!
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 Kid, Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus before when he was a persecutor of Christians in the Book of Acts, back before when he was known as Saul.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 And ever since then, he became a follower of Christ after his encounter with him, so ya, Paul met Jesus, and that encounter changed his life into the Apostle we all know and very much love, in fact, in the Book of 1 Corinthians, Paul further reaffirms his encounter with Christ (Chapter 15). I don't know where your getting your ideals from, but clearly they are completely inaccurate.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 "Jesus' death on the cross was to offer redemption from death on the cross, as the Gospels make clear!"
Way to state the obvious, I nowhere denied the sufficiency of Christ's death on the cross to begin with, so why the heck are you bringing it up as if I did smart guy? Your basically bringing up something that has no relevance to the conversation at hand to begin with.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19
I said redemption.
Not salvation.
His death cannot wipe away anyone's sin. The whole idea of Jesus' death on the cross washing away personal sins of each individual is both wrong & pagan. It was formulated by the Roman Catholics & the Orthodox church & the early church never believed in such a thing!
regards
KTK401 10 months ago
@demondagger19 Just to clarify, when I say "salvation" here, in this context I mean "atonement"
regards
KTK401 10 months ago
@demondagger19 I would urge you to look up the Orthodox church and learn what they believe. Since you can't let go of the "trinity" doctrine, at least try looking into the original church which has faithfully retained the true belief and meaning of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.
You can go to orthodoxinfo c o m and read "What Christ Accomplished on the Cross"
Hope this helps you, so u can avoid the pagan idolatry of the romans & their belief in vicarious atonement & vile human sacrifice idea
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 kid, the bible gives us all the info we need on what Christ accomplished on the cross, the fact that you clearly keep denying scripture obviously indicates that you don't believe the bible to be Gods word, you clearly are a heretic, and you need to know that, you deny the deity of Christ, you deny the Trinity, as well as denying even the death of Christ for the forgiveness of sins (once for all), and more so even ignoring the significance of it, you clearly are a heretic.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 "kid, the bible gives us all the info we need on what Christ accomplished on the cross"
Study Judaism, then study the original belief in what Christ accomplished on the cross (Orthodoxy) & then come back and tell me that!
Heresy is deviating form the original faith. Western Christianity is heretic.
The Orthodox church were wrong to adopt the "trinity" (they had no choice it was forced on everyone by Rome) but their theology on The Cross was absolutely correct!
Peace
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "Heresy is deviating form the original faith. Western Christianity is heretic."
No, just you, and others much like yourself, you again, are a heretic, and a clear one at that.
"The Orthodox church were wrong to adopt the "trinity"
On the contrary, they where right in doing so, you just simply deny it because of the bases of "Because I don't understand it, therefore, it must be rejected", you sir, are, yet again, a heretic.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 The original faith never had a divine Jesus.
Do you realize that?
No jew would ever accept such an horrific blasphemy.
You are not even a heretic. Your religion is so far removed from the Tanakh it doesn't even merit consideration!
KTK401 10 months ago
@KTK401 Ether that, or your just really ill informed on what it actually means. If you want know the significance of the death of Christ, read the Old Testament in the Book of Leviticus, and also the Book of Hebrews chapters 9-10 and the Book of 1 John chapter 2. These are good books to start with if you want to get a good idea as to what the sacrifice of Christ means.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 But it's up to you. The Sacrifice of Christ was not apart of a roman ideology, rather it is rooted in Jewish tradition. And the Sacrifices in the Old Testament is a significance to this fact.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 "The Sacrifice of Christ was not apart of a roman ideology, rather it is rooted in Jewish tradition."
It is not! Study & learn. I really don't want to send you to outreach judaism because I don't want you to lose faith in Jesus, our Messiah.
But anyway I think you should research this further.
Please note that the ORIGINAL church never had such a theology! The Orthodox church are called that for a reason!
Go to the link I gave you and study it please!
Peace!
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "It is not! Study & learn. I really don't want to send you to outreach judaism because I don't want you to lose faith in Jesus, our Messiah."
You really are a blind fool, again, yes it is, read the Old Testament, and study it for yourself, the sacrifice of Christ is deep rooted in the traditions of Judaism, again, read the Old Testament, and study it for yourself, and stop believing in these false teachings which you cling to, it's for your own good.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 And the only thing that's going to be lost here, is your soul because of these false doctrines that you've followed after, it will be the death of you, and the sooner you wake up and realize this, the better.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 "Please note that the ORIGINAL church never had such a theology! The Orthodox church are called that for a reason!"
You really are stupid, the Orthodox church has always upheld the deity of Christ, as well as the teaching of the trinity also you moron, all christian denominations hold to these tenants of Christianity, except for (again) Mormonism, and the Jehovah Witnesses, or any other christian cult. Are you so dense that you can't see just how flawed your theology is?
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 No you are really really stupid. Stop ranting & raving & I might take you seriously.
I was discussing the idea of Jesus' death on the cross offering atonement.
The idea started with the Roman Church (Who then broke away from Orthodoxy)
regards
KTK401 10 months ago
@KTK401 wow a seemingly cleaver Muslim. Maybe learnt from Dr Naik the Snake. Well smarty pants its just so that the Reign of Christ was DURING the Roman rule Duh!! I should well imagine the New Testament started at around that time (when Christ died...wouldn't u?? Everyone else agrees with me but U...well Ur starting to embarrass urself. Because u stone god worshippers dont believe in Jesus doesnt in anyway diminish His divinity. Most muslim claims are neurotic and blasphemous. Take a hike sonny
colonius12321 7 months ago
@colonius12321 You obviously have NO BRAINS whatsoever. I already stated that I am not a muslim. Unless you disregarded that due to your obvious PARANOIA. Who the hell is naik the snake? A wrestler you crackers watch on WWF?
Don't try to sound intelligent it doesn't suit you loony. Just stick to the facts.
Jesus is not G-d and never claimed to be you paranoid histrionic dysfunctional fanatic.
Here's a basic for you Jesus is not G-d - the idea started in Rome in the 4th Century.
KTK401 7 months ago
@colonius12321 Who are you telling to take a hike loony?
Perhaps you should take a hike to the nearest mental hospital & get checked out.
You obviously suffer from some form of personality disorder as well as other mental disorders.
Christians worldwide do not say Muslims don't worship the G-d of Abraham as we Jews and Noahides do.
That's for you fanatics & histrionic fundies.
BTW, everything in your rant was embarrassing & childish. You'd be wise to keep your stupid mouth shut and learn.
KTK401 7 months ago
@KTK401 I'm telling YOU to take a hike you arrogant Jew boy. uR forefathers killed ur Messiah, U naturally defame Jesus and His divinity as thats easier than accepting the truth. As I said, go take a hike Jerk, ur ego needs reconditioning and sure we can parry back and forth but at the end of the day Jesus is still ruling even when u stupidly deny Gen 1:26. Ur a bloody misguided egocentric religious bigot. You lose, again.
colonius12321 7 months ago
@KTK401 one more thing IQ101, Christians world wide aren't generally having to combat idiotic Jews who though they deny Christ as their saviour are not necessarily stupid enough to accept the Muslim claim of worshipping the God of Abraham. Read the Koran. The Muslim claims of accepting The Law of Moses separates their God when their written babble doesnt endorse the Torah. Cant be bothered arguing those facts, likewise the WE and US used in Gen 1:26 implies Jesus existence before time and Jews
colonius12321 7 months ago
@KTK401 You'd be surprised as to how much info is in the OT has, and how it relates to the sacrifice of Christ. It's really amazing stuff. But then again like I said, it's up to you.
demondagger19 11 months ago
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@demondagger19 "You'd be surprised as to how much info is in the OT has, and how it relates to the sacrifice of Christ."
Sorry my friend, but you are way off. It's wrong!
Peace
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 If your right, then Paul is wrong, and your not saved lol. And again, if your going to deny the trinity, then you must deny all of Gods other attributes as well, for just as Gods ability in being all knowing is apart of who he is, so is the trinity also, and though both of them cannot be understood logically, they are both however apart of who God is, you can't reject one, but except the other, they all must be excepted if you claim to be a Christian, so which is it kid?
demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 Let's take a lesson from the Gospel of Matthew, shall we? In Matthew 7, Jesus describes a startling scenario that portrays a reality of a real truth regarding "False Prophets", and describes them as "Wolves in sheep's clothing", you see, all though they looked like believers, and even so far as acted like true believers on the outside, on the inside they where nothing more then wolves pretending to be what they truly weren't (Sheep).
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 You are truly a hate filled person!
I was never like you when I was a trinitarian. So your story is right & apt & very fitting!
I was never truly a trinitarian. I was always a true Christian. Obviously this was the case since I was never so filled with arrogance & self righteousness and hatred like you & your kind!
What you said proved even more to me that the true faith in Christ is non-trinitarian!
Trinitarians are filled with anger & hate! Wolves in sheep's clothing!
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "You are truly a hate filled person! I was never like you when I was a trinitarian."
Oh ya, because you where such a good little preacher boy weren't you?
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 You went to church, read your bible, probably payed your tithes each day, heck, I'll even bet you even fasted before, just to be super spiritual, and oh ya, and I'm sure you've never even lusted before lol, oh and let me guess, you've never even heard of the word porn in your life, or have probably never even seen it before, am I right?
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 You are making a lot of freudian slips here!
Now we all know your secrets.
LOL!
:)
KTK401 11 months ago
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@KTK401 "You are making a lot of freudian slips here! Now we all know your secrets. LOL! :)"
Wow, you really are a Moron, aren't you? Dude, I have news for you, it's not a secret, though it's obvious that's it's your first time hearing as to what exactly is. There are plenty of Christians who struggle with this as well, so cut the smug uppity white washed attitude you hypocritical Pharisee.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 The fact that you didn't even answer the question obviously proves that your to self-righteous to admit your sins also, your a whitewashed tomb filled with dead men' bones, and the fact that your smiling like the fool you are, indicates your complete and utter ignorance to this fact. It absolutely astounds me how you even ever called yourself a christian to begin with, it's just mind boggling.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 ....What a pile of garbage, no one is righteous, not even your sorry hide, so don't play the "Oh I'm so innocent crap", because it won't work, ya, I'm not perfect, but at least I'm able to admit it, I'm only a christian because God saved me by his Grace alone, and I'm man enough to admit that i don't deserve anything from God, and yet God has saved me despite my imperfections and flaws, your just to high and mighty to admit that you have skeletons in the closet as well.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 "..What a pile of garbage, no one is righteous"
Hahahaha
You really need to go to outreachjudaism and learn!
Goodbye!
And Peace!
KTK401 11 months ago
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@KTK401 "Hahahaha You really need to go to outreachjudaism and learn!"
Oh, what's wrong?, are you ashamed of revealing your sins also?, don't tell me the squeaky clean preachers to high and mighty to admit his dirty little secrets? Come on, be honest, you know you have? Are you going to tell me that you've never lusted before?
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 Wow, this is exactly what I'm talking about, you really are a white washed tomb, being the good little boyscout, you make yourself out to look like a christian, because you feel that it suits you and makes you look good, when in actuality, your not different then the Mormons or the JW's, and there as every bit as lost as you are. It's actually quiet sad.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 Lol, your a self righteous pharisee, and you can't even see it. Oh, and (FYI), that story was meant for you. Enjoy ;)
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Haha! I DID see that the "story" was aimed at me!
That's why I said you are completely filled with self righteousness and hate.
You get angry with anyone who disagrees with your pagan & insane theology, a theology which Jesus Himself would condemn & the Almighty God condemns utterly.
You are so blinded by your own sanctimony and self righteousness that you walk around condemning people & ignoring Jesus' teachings!
A tree is judged by its fruit!
Proof the trinity is false!
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "You are so blinded by your own sanctimony and self righteousness that you walk around condemning people & ignoring Jesus' teachings! A tree is judged by its fruit!"
LOL!, then according to your logic then, Jesus was a condemning, self-righteous, blind, judgmental individual when he judged the pharisees and there religious views (Matthew 23). And just as Jesus described the pharisees in the same way as being "Blind Guilds" in (Matthew 23), you are no different then they are.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 "Proof the trinity is false!"
You really are an idiot, how in the world is that an indication that the trinity is false? You haven't even proven that is was false to begin with, all your basically doing is denying the trinity, only on the bases of "Since I can't understand it, then it must be rejected", if that's your notion to go on, then that's a pretty poor one at best. Again, if your going to deny the trinity, then the rest of his other attributes must be rejected also.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Hahaha! You're really losing it!
As I already said, a tree is judged by it's fruit. Since you trinitarian fundies claim to "have the Holy Spirit" (as if She is a commodity exclusive to you!) then you should be peaceful no?
But you are not, you are aggressive & angry & judge everyone. Especially when people disagree with you. Just like Martin Luther & John Calvin!
It IS proof trinity is false then, because a tree is judged by it's as Christ told us!
:)
KTK401 11 months ago
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@KTK401 "But you are not, you are aggressive & angry & judge everyone. Especially when people disagree with you. Just like Martin Luther & John Calvin!"
Again, who did Jesus disagree with in Matthew 23? was it not the pharisees? and did he not judge them also, calling them "blind guides" and "white washed tombs filled with dead men' bones" while also disagreeing with there religious views? Obviously he did.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 Clearly the Jesus you follow, and the Jesus from scripture, are entirely different, which means, you do not follow the same Jesus, but a totally different and false Jesus, one based on your own ideals of how he would be, rather then what the scriptures describe him as. In other words, the Jesus in which you hold so dear to, is not the same Jesus from scripture, but a false Jesus based on your own presuppositions. Basically, your chasing a phantom, he's not real.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 And if that's your proof or evidence for the trinity being false, then I'm sorry to say, but that was a waist of time. The only capabilities you have in keeping your false hope, that the trinity is false, is to play the victim and act innocent, and portray me as the big bad wolf trying to terrorize and demoralize individuals, simply because I happen to speak against your false teachings, believe it or not, it's the oldest trick in the book, so save it because it's not going to work.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Then move on.
Get some sleep now, you need it.
KTK401 11 months ago
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@KTK401 "Then move on. Get some sleep now, you need it."
What you need, is a good wake up call to reality. Hopefully it will happen sooner then later.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 And you can repeat the same mombo jumbo over and over again until hell freezes over, and that I'm the bad guy who's narrow minded and so forth, but the fact and the matter is, you are spreading false doctrine, and you need to know that, i honestly don't care what you want to call me, but you need to be put in your place, plain and simple, you are not a christian, and the fact that you've even denied the very fundamental teachings of Christianity is evidence of this fact.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
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@demondagger19 "denied the very fundamental teachings of Christianity is evidence of this fact."
I've denied the fundamental teachings of your heretical sect.
The original Christianity had the correct theology & beliefs.
Many of us are now rediscovering those truths!
Millions of us are waking up to the truth!
Peace!
KTK401 11 months ago
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@KTK401 Your beliefs are a lie, if you say that you are a christian.
demondagger19 11 months ago
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@demondagger19 "Again, if your going to deny the trinity, then the rest of his other attributes must be rejected also."
What sense does that make? God is ONE.
That is all we need to know to worship God.
Actually to use your argument, if we are going to assign to each "attribute" of God a "persona" then God could be 5, 6, 7? Or More? Think about it!
Peace!
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 You can't only except one attribute of God, and yet reject the others as being more valid then the next, that's not how it works.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401This in essence is in fact creating a god according to your own liking, and or Image in your mind by definition, that is not the God of the bible, but an idol of your own imagination, which according to (Exodus 20), is idolatry. In short, you've just created for yourself, an idol in which you have accommodated for yourself, one that you can feel more appeased to so that he can be more understandable according to your standards of intelligence or logic.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 So in essence, the only idolater here, is you. I except God for who he is, and who he claims to describe himself as regardless if I understand it or not, you on the other hand, create for yourself a god in which you can understand, just to make yourself more comfortable, and or compatible with, so your the idolater, not me.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 "so your the idolater, not me. "
LOL!
Ok
:)
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "LOL! Ok :)"
Good, glad you agree, there, now that wasn't so hard, was it?
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 I was trying to keep you from flooding my inbox, did you not realize that? lol
I know I can't help you!
I am trying to help other people reading this forum.
Your doctrine teaches people of an angry vicious & vindictive God.
Ours teaches of a peaceful & loving God of universal love.
Others here might like what we believe so I am really offering it to them.
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 I'm sure you are, and to those who know the truth, I'm doing this for them, to both show, and expose to the world as to what exactly a false prophet truly is, and that is one who claims to believe in the tenants of Christianity, and yet denies it at the same time, much like yourself, you are a perfect example of a heretic, and any other well meaning bible believing christian would say the exact same thing also. Again, you are not a christian.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 "Again, you are not a christian."
There's that lovely sanctimony and self righteousness again!
LOL
There is no trinity. it is an evil, pernicious man made pagan doctrine.
Sensible people reject it.
Go get some sleep you need it!
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "There's that lovely sanctimony and self righteousness again!"
Heard it all before, your not the only individual who (usually from cults), who have claimed the same thing about me as well kid, so this isn't a shock nor a surprise to me. So just save it.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Then you've heard this one before too:
There IS NO TRINITY!
It's a shame you are so narrow minded that you won't do the honest research on where that theology came from.
At the council of Nicea Bishops were forced & threatened to vote for a trinity! Even though the vast majority were Arians (non trinitarians) It's ridiculous!
It was done for political expediency!
It's truly embarrassing that such blasphemy spread for politics.
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "There IS NO TRINITY!"
Deny, deny, deny (why am not surprised), but I guess that's your way of dealing with everything right?
"It's a shame you are so narrow minded that you won't do the honest research on where that theology came from."
Oh believe me, I have, and lots of it I might add.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
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@demondagger19 lol, it is obviously your way of dealing with the absurdity of the trinity as you have demonstrated here: "Oh believe me, I have, and lots of it I might add."
And yet you still believe in a trinity! lol
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "At the council of Nicea Bishops were forced & threatened to vote for a trinity! Even though the vast majority were Arians (non trinitarians) It's ridiculous!"
Wow, you really need to know your theology properly.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 It's not theology.
It was POLITICS.
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "It's not theology. It was POLITICS."
No, it's theology. Constantine only used Christianity in order to try and keep Rome established or stable, but that had no bearing on the bishops and there beliefs. The events that took place in (A.D 325) happened as a response to the Arian teaching itself in order to combat against it, so in essence this was due to a theological context, not a political one in regards to the events that took place at Nicea. Again, know your theology.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Nah. Politics. Constantine only used Christianity in order to keep Rome stable.
There you go. You said it yourself.
You know little about theology. If you knew anything at all you'd study the Tanakh & you'd realize that Moshiach is not & never was God.
The whole idea is absurd & should be ridiculed!
KTK401 10 months ago
@demondagger19 Are you going to teach me the history of my own (former) church? lol
The council of Nicea wasn't only about Christology.
In any case the whole charade was a political one devised by Constatine in order to stabilize the empire.
Even he didn't really care & didn't even believe Jesus as "God" since before his death he was finally baptized....as an Arian!!
Jesus is not God.
Shema Y'israel Adonai eloheinu Adonai Ehad
KTK401 10 months ago
@demondagger19 Are you going to teach me the history of my own (former) church? lol
The council of Nicea wasn't only about Christology.
In any case the whole charade was a political one devised by Constatine in order to stabilize the empire.
Even he didn't really care & didn't even believe Jesus as "God" since before his death he was finally baptized....as an Arian!!
Jesus is not God.
Shema Y'israel Adonai eloheinu Adonai Ehad
regards
KTK401 10 months ago
@KTK401 The Council of Nicaea (first off), wasn't about the Trinity, rather the Council of Nicaea, only argued against the Arian heracy, which was challenging the already excepted teaching of the deity of Christ, the Arians where teaching that Jesus Christ (although divine), was a created being.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 But the Council rejected there doctrines, and thus maintained the deity of Christ and formulated a doctrine known as something called the Nicene Creed which was to combat against the Arian teaching itself.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 According to the Creed it describes that Jesus was "God from God, Light from Light, Very God from Very God, begotten, not made, one substance (Homooseious) with the father, through him all things where made, for us and for our salvation, he came down from heaven, by the power of the holy spirit, he became incarnate through the virgin Mary, and was made man."
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 Basically, the creed was about the divine, and or human nature of Christ, not the Trinity, in other words, it was about Christs divine and human nature, and it was to respond against the false teachings of Arianism, that's what the Council of Nicaea was about, so that is completely incorrect again. Clearly theology is not your strong point, so stop trying.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Actually it was all about Jesus being "god" or not. You obviously don;t have a clue as you were brainwashed by protestantism form the beginning. So stop pretending you understand the history or the church I belonged to for 29 years. You are embarrassing yourself.
It was all about politics not theology. Constantine himself saying he didn't care about the details as long as he was able to give the empire a religion that would unify them
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KTK401 11 months ago
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KTK401 11 months ago
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@demondagger19 Obviously a religion that the Roman masses would take to was Athanasius' version and not Arius' Non trinitarian
The creed would obviously read differently if Jesus had not been VOTED god!
I told you the council was set up to vote on Jesus "identity" + 3 other matters
Constantine was then baptized before his death an Arian! It's madness.
This lunacy started in the 4th century
There is no trinity!
Ever wonder why the Didache was kept hidden & secret?
Bye
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 But, out of curiosity, would you mind enlightening me on what exactly your belief is?
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Didn't I say earlier?
I believe in God, the Eternal, The Creator.
I believe Jesus of Nazareth was the Jewish Messiah. The heavenly son of God who came down to earth so that we could make a connection with God.
I believe we should live by what he taught.
And everything else is explained by Judaism, our parent religion.
So we are Noahides, children of Noah. We don't actually need a religion.
Praise God!
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 Could you be a little more....specific?
demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 "I believe in God, the Eternal, The Creator.I believe Jesus of Nazareth was the Jewish Messiah. The heavenly son of God who came down to earth so that we could make a connection with God."
Which Jesus, and which eternal God?
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 "Which Jesus, and which eternal God?"
Hahahaha!
That's a ridiculous question. Come on now, you are risking embarrassing yourself badly!
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "That's a ridiculous question. Come on now, you are risking embarrassing yourself badly!"
Answer the question. Which Jesus, and which eternal God do you believe in?
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 You are engaging in histrionics and melodrama because you can't figure out a simple answer to your question!
LOL
The usual response from a trinitarian!
Every trinitarian evangelical I have ever met is like you!
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "You are engaging in histrionics and melodrama because you can't figure out a simple answer to your question!
Then you wouldn't mind enlightening me by answering my question now, would you? Now answer the question, which Jesus, and which eternal God do you believe in? a minute ago, you said you don't believe in the deity of Christ, and now your saying that you do, now which is it? Do you believe that Jesus is God or not?
demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 You are being melodramatic or you are really daft. Either way you are wasting my time & hogging the forum with your idiotic questions
If God is Eternal, there is obviously only One. You're not that stupid are you?
"a min ago, you said you don't believe in the deity of Christ, and now your saying that you do"
More melodrama ( I can guess what you are playing at!)
For clarity: I utterly reject the deity of Christ
Look up the preexistence of Messiah in JUDAISM if u want to know
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 "I believe Jesus of Nazareth was the Jewish Messiah. The heavenly son of God who came down to earth so that we could make a connection with God."
This is clearly a flat-out lie, because a moment ago before, you claimed that Jesus was NOT God, and that you where deluded for even ever believing in it at all (see your quotation below)
"Jesus was never God. I was deluded all that time."
This just go's to show how stupid you really are. Do you believe in the deity of Christ, yes or no?
demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 (You are truly a hate filled person!)
Why? because I speak the truth? What's wrong, is hearing the reality to much for you? Well why don't I even the odds by doing a little questionnaire, shall we? 1) Have you ever lusted after a women and or a man before?
And hey, just to help you out, I'll go first by answering yes to this question, heck I even went to a strip club before, what about you?
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 "What you said proved even more to me that the true faith in Christ is non-trinitarian!"
Whatever helps you sleep well at night kid.
demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 Even further, Matthew 7 also records that these false prophets did many extraordinary miracles (Casting out Demons, Healing the Sick) etc "In Jesus name", and yet Jesus says to them "Depart from me, I never knew you, Workers of iniquity", in short, despite the fact that they did many miraculous wonders and good deeds in Jesus' name, they never truly belonged to him.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 Now, in light of this, what does that say about you? You see, though you may have professed saving faith in Christ, you never truly possessed it to begin with, in other words, you never where saved at all. Just because you played the little alter boy at bible camp, doesn't make you daddies little boy, to put it bluntly, you where never his son to begin with just because you tried to be daddies little favorite boyscout.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 LOL
You are filled with hate and anger. It stems from your idolatry and man-god worship!
KTK401 11 months ago
@KTK401 Mormons and the Jehovah Witnesses can just as well do the same thing as well, but that doesn't make them christian ether, though they may do allot of good deeds (and believe me, they have), there doctrines are damnable, and more so are sending some, if not most people to hell each second. And your on that path also.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@KTK401 "Jesus was never God. I was deluded all that time."
You where deluded the moment you started believing that you where a christian to begin with, the reality is that you simply never where. Hopefully you'll wake up one day, and except that reality, though I'm sure living in denial is obviously what your good at. Kid, I'm just trying to help you come to your senses, what you do with the info is up to you.
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demondagger19 11 months ago
@demondagger19 Hahahaha! Who are calling kid sunshine?
KTK401 11 months ago
@demondagger19 "You where deluded the moment you started believing that you where a christian to begin with" I was brainwashed to believe that.
Every trinitarian is brainwashed to believe in such an absurd doctrine!
Come to your senses and realize that yo