(continued) of being obsessively committed to quality, when really, it was just economic factors that dictated releases. For example, the N64 delays had less to do with engineering, and more to do with the Dollar crashing vs. the Yen in 1995 (which made the PlayStation release painful, and practically killed Sega). If they were going to keep their $250 price point, and not get soaked, they were going to have to wait until the currency market turned around, which it did.
@dork0holic yes and no, Ever more is a GREAT game but it's not as LONG and just repayable as the SD3 (and yes I have a JP Cartridge which still works after all this time q.Q' )
a shame we english speakers never got the game officially. it would have sold like hot cakes, but nintendo of america was too busy QQing about this and other games.
@GidionX mostly Mario RPG, Secret of Evermore and the fact that SNES was almost at the end of its lifespan were a combining result that we didnt get this game. The transition to N64 was pretty hairy and messy because alot of games got the can for NA release. Look at Star Fox 2! It was completely finished and Miyamoto said no I want an N64 version...asshole
@neogalahad No, more like "cartridges are really expensive to manufacture, especially with high-powered chips like the Super FX2 in each one, so if we've got a system that's just around the corner that can handle much better than this on the base hardware, and we can manufacture the cartridges for much cheaper there, what's the point of shelling out so much on production costs?" The Miyamoto's perfectionism was simply a nice cover story that helped push Nintendo's company line (continued)
@tmrobertson The game was finished....why not publish it. He still wasted A SHIT LOAD of money on development costs. The main coder said in a blog that it was due to Miyamoto wanting the game on N64 instead.
@neogalahad with a weak dollar and strong yen, and the Super FX2 costing as much as it did (Yoshi's Island was nearly $70 when it came out originally), Nintendo simply wasn't going to make as much money as it would want to off the game. Japan was in the middle of its depression, and already had started upgrading to the new consoles (Saturn and PSX), so there was the idea that people weren't going to spend that kind of money on a game for an old system that wasn't an RPG. (continued)
@neogalahad The game would have probably costed somewhere around $75-80 to make a decent profit in the US, and no game was going to sell at that price point, especially since the original Star Fox didn't obliterate the market.
Miyamoto may have not wanted to release the next Star Fox until the N64, but Yamauchi would have overruled him if he thought there was money to be made. He didn't, and it was canceled that late.
@tmrobertson All speculation. Were you a financial analyst for Nintendo in 1995? Then all that you are saying is BS. Look it up man its clearly stated that he just wanted to take advantage of the N64 superior power. You dont know what you are talking about, the money to publish is NO WHERE near the costs for development. Miyamoto is an ass. ALSO the system was not just around the corner. The N64 didnt even come out for another year and half after the game was completed!
i actually wished i had snes when i was younger and before all - had this game in the collection, i tried this game like 3 years ago by random choice but wow! i was astounded, the game was totally awesome, and this soundtrack totally stuck itself in my mind, perfect boss theme that makes battles even more intense! specially like part @0:49, seriously this shit is so old-school but the music struck me like meteor, cred to the creator
@Synaesthethic It would not have mattered because the game was never released in NA. The version you played is a fan translation that was not released until 2000, 5 years after the game was released. I remember when it was released too, my Dad's pc was a piece of shit and couldnt handle the emulator! LOL
@Uejji Actually, the Mana series and the Seiken Densetsu series are both the same series.....Seiken Densetsu is just the japanese name, and this game was japan only. The rest you should be able to figure out yourself.... :3
@legoperson595 You're missing the point entirely. That's like saying that Star Fox Command is the "Lylat Wars" game series, or that Seiken Densetsu 3 is part of the Final Fantasy game series, or that the 2010 Eclipse is part of the Eagle Talon line.
If *every* Seiken Densetsu game had been localized under an "of Mana" title then I could accept that, but that's simply not the case -- the first and third games were not.
You might say I'm being picky, but I prefer "minimizing confusion" :>
@Uejji What the hell are you talking about? So according to your validation of what makes a series, then before we got the localizations of the actual Final Fantasy II, III and V we cant call Final Fantasy II(Snes) and Final Fantasy III(Snes) a part of the Final Fantasy series because they were given different names from their J counterpart? btw, we did get the first Seiken Densetsu on Gameboy called Final Fantasy Adventure and also a GBA remake called Sword 'of Mana' or Shinyaku Seiken Densetsu
@Uejji How are you minimizing confusion by saying two games are not of the same series because one was localized and the other wasn't? The way I see it, you're making it more confusing...
@vaiyt That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying all the games are part of the Seiken Densetsu series, because calling it the Mana series runs into problems with games that were localized under non-"Mana" names or not localized at all.
To make it easier for everyone, that thing in the picture is Flammie, Flammie appears in both Secret of mana 1 and 2 (or Seiken Densetsu 2 and 3) You lot must be mistaking Flammie for Dangaard, the winged god beast, in secret of mana 2 (Seiken Densetsu 3) you fight Dangaard while riding flammie
And another Mana Beast named Flammie is in Seiken 3. The characters decided to call it Flammie when she got mad over the name "Father of the Winged Ones" since she is a child and a girl. At least in the fan translation.
I don't know exactly how this goes in the original since my Japanese skills aren't that good. I've played the game in Japanese, though.
Une musique de boss aux dimensions épiques pour un jeu qui ne l'est pas moins. La première découverte du soft est un délice, affronter les boss ne l'est pas moins. Vraiment excellente dans son rôle cette musique nous fait aller vers la victoire.
En réécoutant ce passage je me remémore les affrontements emplis de bravoure à l'aube de ce millénaire dans ce jeu qui a donné ses lettres de noblesse aux RPG au crépuscule de la SNES.
this was one of the last masterpiece jrpgs imo. there were some greats afterward but nothing from ps1, p2s, etc can step up to the snes rpg classics like chrono, mana, and ff 4 - 6...
yes it is. The battle system has a high learning curve but is very rewarding. Its poor sales were mainly due to the fact that it was year ahead of anything available. Lovely game. I wish square would remake it for the ps3...
Merridian dance seems awfully similar to this song. Though I prefer this one because I can actually get to that point in SoM2. Seiken Densetsu 3. BTW, Angel's fear does play in SoM2 when you talk to the priest about mana stones. That is the first time it is brought up. So No Angel's fear is not played after the village gets burned up.
@uberfart256 Yea I just heard it and it sounds like the composer based it off of that song rearranged it because it hits alot of the same notes. Its like the Mana beast song was a beta version of this song because this song is way more fleshed out and inspiring.
@GersonPZ Final Fantasy Legends I-III are saga games and Final Fantasy Adventure is a remake/demake of Seiken Densetsu 1. I already know that Seiken Densetsu 2 is Secret of Mana. I was trying to figure out why he thinks that the Seiken games are a completely different series from the Mana series. The Mana series IS the Seiken series. Maybe he was trying to say that the Seiken series is not entirely the Mana series because of the FF Adventure...whatever.
@CrazyLou64 I know that, I forgot that seiken densetsu was supposed to be for famicom but was scrapped for a GB game instead called seiken densetsu: final fantasy gaiden. And yes Sword of mana is a gba remake of this said game developed by brownie something.
Thak you so much dude, but I'm sure angel's fear wasn't. I played it on a translates rom from japanesse to english, so... would it be possible that there is any other songs in the japanesse verion?
All I know is Intolerance plays AFTER you meet the fairie and go back to the town to discover it was burned by Beastmen and some slow sad/myterious song plays BEFORE you officially meet the fairie....
This game has very good songs, but i can't find the song of the scene where u find the fairy for he 1st time and the u go back to the city and everythig is burned to ashes. It's a sad song, and the BEST. Can somebody tell me what's its name pls??
I still like Seiken Densetsu 2's OST better but this is good as well. Hiroki Kikuta is one of the best composers SQUARE had and better than the ones they have even now in 2008.
Remember first time i heard this song when fighting Karl (As Kevin) that was freakin epic, First time --> Epic Battle system starts with a emotional fight against your friend and the most epic piece of music ever.
この曲神！！
DIOmudamuda45603 1 week ago
this is amazing, the nostalgia is just kicking ass!!!!!
maryJgozu 1 month ago
I remember killing Karl the wolf pup on this theme... é.è
r4shkaYTP 1 month ago
I knew it! Fkammie is in Children of Mana and SD3! Awesome!
ForestSpyer257 2 months ago
This is called Meridian Dance. Only new to the sequal.
SuperHushPuppy 4 months ago
This music is just fit RAIDEN-type shooter games.(ex:Flying Shark,Twin Cobra,Lightning Fighters,etc...)
Amamite 6 months ago
sounds like meridian dance from secret of mana ^^
Sab2Intros 7 months ago
Is that the theme of when Kevin battles the brainwashed Karl?
r4shka 8 months ago
1 person missed the like button -__-
TehSephirothSpirit 9 months ago
@TehSephirothSpirit 2 peoples didn't play the best game those Japanese people has keeping for themselves è_é
Luirio 8 months ago
@Luirio Mother 3? What does that have to do with Mana?
CronoManiac42 4 months ago
@CronoManiac42 Best game in Mana Series è_é
Luirio 3 months ago
*Lise returns to Rolante Castle*
*Ninjas come out of hiding*
Let's dance, motherfuckers.
speyeker 9 months ago 2
@speyeker *Kevin runs up*
Me too, Lise! Let's show them bad meanies our power!
NeoAlucardX 5 months ago
Can anyone tell me where I can go to listen to the sand fortress theme it seems to be the only music not posted.
AKoshoryu 10 months ago
(continued) of being obsessively committed to quality, when really, it was just economic factors that dictated releases. For example, the N64 delays had less to do with engineering, and more to do with the Dollar crashing vs. the Yen in 1995 (which made the PlayStation release painful, and practically killed Sega). If they were going to keep their $250 price point, and not get soaked, they were going to have to wait until the currency market turned around, which it did.
Nintendo is all business
tmrobertson 11 months ago
WHAT!?!?! Japan got Secret of Mana 2 (Seiken Densatsu 3) while we got Secret of Evermore!?!?!?
It was soooo worth it lol Evermore > Seiken Densatsu Series xD lol hahaha
dork0holic 11 months ago
@dork0holic yes and no, Ever more is a GREAT game but it's not as LONG and just repayable as the SD3 (and yes I have a JP Cartridge which still works after all this time q.Q' )
TehSneakyFox 10 months ago
GIANT ENEMY CRAB!!!
dss103 1 year ago 3
a shame we english speakers never got the game officially. it would have sold like hot cakes, but nintendo of america was too busy QQing about this and other games.
GidionX 1 year ago
@GidionX mostly Mario RPG, Secret of Evermore and the fact that SNES was almost at the end of its lifespan were a combining result that we didnt get this game. The transition to N64 was pretty hairy and messy because alot of games got the can for NA release. Look at Star Fox 2! It was completely finished and Miyamoto said no I want an N64 version...asshole
neogalahad 11 months ago
@neogalahad No, more like "cartridges are really expensive to manufacture, especially with high-powered chips like the Super FX2 in each one, so if we've got a system that's just around the corner that can handle much better than this on the base hardware, and we can manufacture the cartridges for much cheaper there, what's the point of shelling out so much on production costs?" The Miyamoto's perfectionism was simply a nice cover story that helped push Nintendo's company line (continued)
tmrobertson 11 months ago
@tmrobertson The game was finished....why not publish it. He still wasted A SHIT LOAD of money on development costs. The main coder said in a blog that it was due to Miyamoto wanting the game on N64 instead.
neogalahad 11 months ago
@neogalahad with a weak dollar and strong yen, and the Super FX2 costing as much as it did (Yoshi's Island was nearly $70 when it came out originally), Nintendo simply wasn't going to make as much money as it would want to off the game. Japan was in the middle of its depression, and already had started upgrading to the new consoles (Saturn and PSX), so there was the idea that people weren't going to spend that kind of money on a game for an old system that wasn't an RPG. (continued)
tmrobertson 10 months ago
@neogalahad The game would have probably costed somewhere around $75-80 to make a decent profit in the US, and no game was going to sell at that price point, especially since the original Star Fox didn't obliterate the market.
Miyamoto may have not wanted to release the next Star Fox until the N64, but Yamauchi would have overruled him if he thought there was money to be made. He didn't, and it was canceled that late.
tmrobertson 10 months ago
@tmrobertson All speculation. Were you a financial analyst for Nintendo in 1995? Then all that you are saying is BS. Look it up man its clearly stated that he just wanted to take advantage of the N64 superior power. You dont know what you are talking about, the money to publish is NO WHERE near the costs for development. Miyamoto is an ass. ALSO the system was not just around the corner. The N64 didnt even come out for another year and half after the game was completed!
neogalahad 10 months ago
i actually wished i had snes when i was younger and before all - had this game in the collection, i tried this game like 3 years ago by random choice but wow! i was astounded, the game was totally awesome, and this soundtrack totally stuck itself in my mind, perfect boss theme that makes battles even more intense! specially like part @0:49, seriously this shit is so old-school but the music struck me like meteor, cred to the creator
Synaesthethic 1 year ago
@Synaesthethic It would not have mattered because the game was never released in NA. The version you played is a fan translation that was not released until 2000, 5 years after the game was released. I remember when it was released too, my Dad's pc was a piece of shit and couldnt handle the emulator! LOL
neogalahad 11 months ago
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this one is totaly epic lol
fortew3 1 year ago
i miss this game. it was my childhood.
Emina04Sakura 1 year ago
BEST game with the BEST EPIC soundtracks!
krazycore 1 year ago
This is SO EPIC....This game will forever be in my memory.
asphal 1 year ago 3
THE ULTIMATE UNDERATION!!!!1
boitahaki 1 year ago
This boss song is awesome! bah nostalgia... and yes those do sound like some martial arts punches in the background LOL
flarekary 1 year ago 3
I love this song, despite it sounding like there's some chinese action movie punches going on in the background. XD
Grayfox354 1 year ago
@Grayfox354 Sounds like something I could Tai Bo to xD
Lkynmbr24 1 year ago
this is one boss theme that has stuck to be since i was 12
doesnt say much though as im 17 now
theomadman 1 year ago
Damn you know what? I want to hear someone cover the bass part of this song because it is sick!
neogalahad 1 year ago
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the music in this game sucks compared to secret of mana
melvoin 1 year ago
@melvoin What?! This music is way more fleshed out and feels more appropriate to the Seiken world
neogalahad 1 year ago
This is EPIC BATTLE
asphal 1 year ago
well the first game started as a final fantasy spin-off,.. so basically the seiken densetsu series are loosely part of the final fantasy series.
mirrorpiece 1 year ago
You just hear it and in the glimpse of a second you know:
"Yup! It's a fabulous ''- of Mana'' Game"
Justforvisit 1 year ago
@Justforvisit Except of course it's not an "of Mana" game -- it's a Seiken Densetsu game.
Uejji 1 year ago
@Uejji Actually, the Mana series and the Seiken Densetsu series are both the same series.....Seiken Densetsu is just the japanese name, and this game was japan only. The rest you should be able to figure out yourself.... :3
legoperson595 1 year ago
@legoperson595 You're missing the point entirely. That's like saying that Star Fox Command is the "Lylat Wars" game series, or that Seiken Densetsu 3 is part of the Final Fantasy game series, or that the 2010 Eclipse is part of the Eagle Talon line.
If *every* Seiken Densetsu game had been localized under an "of Mana" title then I could accept that, but that's simply not the case -- the first and third games were not.
You might say I'm being picky, but I prefer "minimizing confusion" :>
Uejji 1 year ago
@Uejji What the hell are you talking about? So according to your validation of what makes a series, then before we got the localizations of the actual Final Fantasy II, III and V we cant call Final Fantasy II(Snes) and Final Fantasy III(Snes) a part of the Final Fantasy series because they were given different names from their J counterpart? btw, we did get the first Seiken Densetsu on Gameboy called Final Fantasy Adventure and also a GBA remake called Sword 'of Mana' or Shinyaku Seiken Densetsu
neogalahad 1 year ago
@Uejji How are you minimizing confusion by saying two games are not of the same series because one was localized and the other wasn't? The way I see it, you're making it more confusing...
vaiyt 1 year ago
@vaiyt That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying all the games are part of the Seiken Densetsu series, because calling it the Mana series runs into problems with games that were localized under non-"Mana" names or not localized at all.
Uejji 1 year ago
Boss theme? More like Awesome theme!
OmegaDude22 1 year ago
To make it easier for everyone, that thing in the picture is Flammie, Flammie appears in both Secret of mana 1 and 2 (or Seiken Densetsu 2 and 3) You lot must be mistaking Flammie for Dangaard, the winged god beast, in secret of mana 2 (Seiken Densetsu 3) you fight Dangaard while riding flammie
Luu343 2 years ago
And another Mana Beast named Flammie is in Seiken 3. The characters decided to call it Flammie when she got mad over the name "Father of the Winged Ones" since she is a child and a girl. At least in the fan translation.
I don't know exactly how this goes in the original since my Japanese skills aren't that good. I've played the game in Japanese, though.
Etsura 2 years ago
That's not flammie, that's a mana beast. Flammie is just the name of one particular mana beast featured in Seiken Densetsu 2 (secret of mana)
Archlvt 2 years ago
Well, that means you haven't played Seiken Densetsu 3 (Secret of Mana 2) because SHE is Flammie. Not a mana Beast in this game.
MismiMan 2 years ago
Played through it 6 times from start to finish using every character backstory.
Maybe you had a poorly translated version, there are half a dozen out there.
Archlvt 2 years ago
I think you are the one with the poorly translated version... Will you tell me everyone has the same "bad" version?
I used Google and that's flammie! XD
MismiMan 2 years ago
I'm not using a translated version at all, I use the authentic japanese version. Hence why you have it all jumbled up.
Archlvt 2 years ago
Then, why don't just you tell us what's its name? At least is female?
MismiMan 2 years ago
one of my fav music of this game
JiSeb 2 years ago
when you first listen 1:15...
you just whaaaaoooooouuuu!!!!
2nd game of my life...
Skyblazerflash 2 years ago
I love this theme. :3
P.S.: What is that thing next to the girl?
legoperson595 2 years ago
If I recall right, that is a Flammie, which is able to be seen on Secret Of Mana (Seiken Densetsu 2).
chosentonessournotes 2 years ago
flammie
enetick 2 years ago
Une musique de boss aux dimensions épiques pour un jeu qui ne l'est pas moins. La première découverte du soft est un délice, affronter les boss ne l'est pas moins. Vraiment excellente dans son rôle cette musique nous fait aller vers la victoire.
Crymsom 2 years ago
This was fucking awesome boss music
mmkirby2 2 years ago 9
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Nostalgie...
En réécoutant ce passage je me remémore les affrontements emplis de bravoure à l'aube de ce millénaire dans ce jeu qui a donné ses lettres de noblesse aux RPG au crépuscule de la SNES.
Seiken densetsu et Suikoden c'est le top :-)
KaneroK 2 years ago 2
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KaneroK 2 years ago
this was one of the last masterpiece jrpgs imo. there were some greats afterward but nothing from ps1, p2s, etc can step up to the snes rpg classics like chrono, mana, and ff 4 - 6...
yanorei 2 years ago 6
What? Vagrant story is on PS1. Its a fucking masterpiece. the single most underrated game barely anybody knows about on any console.
ShadarV 2 years ago 5
yes it is. The battle system has a high learning curve but is very rewarding. Its poor sales were mainly due to the fact that it was year ahead of anything available. Lovely game. I wish square would remake it for the ps3...
Bahamuttiamat 2 years ago
Dieses Spiel ist echt genial, habs scho zig mal durch und immer noch Lust drauf ^^ und die Musik hör ich zum trainiern *g*
CrushofGarmina 2 years ago 6
Jah jah, ich wohle. Bitte, weiter, weiter!!*Spritzen*
Fajjani 2 years ago
was zur hölle xD
SwordScarab0 2 years ago
I believe i just came =)
Fajjani 2 years ago
I'm so happy I found this song, it's one of my favorites in this game!
Luafirefox 2 years ago 5
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yeah its awesome!!
khfan49 2 years ago
I've bought the original OST of the game on play-asia. As soon as I receive it, I'll upload more songs and maybe all of them :)
Linkenfant 2 years ago 9
Merridian dance seems awfully similar to this song. Though I prefer this one because I can actually get to that point in SoM2. Seiken Densetsu 3. BTW, Angel's fear does play in SoM2 when you talk to the priest about mana stones. That is the first time it is brought up. So No Angel's fear is not played after the village gets burned up.
GamekrazzyProduction 2 years ago
This song sampled heavily from Meridian Dance, which is why it sounds so familiar. I think it may even be a remix, but don't quote me on that part.
Bullfrog91945 2 years ago 3
LOL, this music is awesome! 0:51 to 1:15 feels like some kind of party music
Meneseth 3 years ago 5
Yes. I love that part. I always get excited when I hear the beginning while playing the game.
BassX0 2 years ago
Love it!
RenamonSakuya 3 years ago 3
its awesome, both songs
uberfart256 3 years ago
this track is similar to the Mana Beast battle music from Secret of Mana.
uberfart256 3 years ago 44
@uberfart256 Yea I just heard it and it sounds like the composer based it off of that song rearranged it because it hits alot of the same notes. Its like the Mana beast song was a beta version of this song because this song is way more fleshed out and inspiring.
neogalahad 1 year ago
@neogalahad the sagas are together, In Japan Secret of Mana is Seiken Densetsu 2 :D
GersonPZ 1 year ago
@GersonPZ Final Fantasy Legends I-III are saga games and Final Fantasy Adventure is a remake/demake of Seiken Densetsu 1. I already know that Seiken Densetsu 2 is Secret of Mana. I was trying to figure out why he thinks that the Seiken games are a completely different series from the Mana series. The Mana series IS the Seiken series. Maybe he was trying to say that the Seiken series is not entirely the Mana series because of the FF Adventure...whatever.
neogalahad 1 year ago
@neogalahad Final Fantasy Adventure IS Senken Densetsu 1. Sword of Mana is the remake.
CrazyLou64 1 year ago
@CrazyLou64 I know that, I forgot that seiken densetsu was supposed to be for famicom but was scrapped for a GB game instead called seiken densetsu: final fantasy gaiden. And yes Sword of mana is a gba remake of this said game developed by brownie something.
neogalahad 1 year ago
@uberfart256 know but this track is extremely than number 1
nikopunksuperlink 1 year ago
thanks for posting this up.^^nice game artwork too.
Architect001780 3 years ago
Thak you so much dude, but I'm sure angel's fear wasn't. I played it on a translates rom from japanesse to english, so... would it be possible that there is any other songs in the japanesse verion?
Juleetron 3 years ago
That I wouldn't know.
operations1000 3 years ago
All I know is Intolerance plays AFTER you meet the fairie and go back to the town to discover it was burned by Beastmen and some slow sad/myterious song plays BEFORE you officially meet the fairie....
operations1000 3 years ago
This game has very good songs, but i can't find the song of the scene where u find the fairy for he 1st time and the u go back to the city and everythig is burned to ashes. It's a sad song, and the BEST. Can somebody tell me what's its name pls??
Juleetron 3 years ago
Pretty sure it's Angel's Fear
operations1000 3 years ago
es la mejor cancion del secret of mana 3
krls221 3 years ago
Remake of "Meridian dance", from Seiken Desetsu 2...
Very good.^^
Hatorik 3 years ago 2
I totally can't understand why people doesn't much listen to such a great music like this....
mh401 3 years ago 3
Sounds a bit like Meridian Dance from Secret of Mana.
Scott89878 3 years ago
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sawdf 3 years ago
The kingdom that never fell...
I had great feelings with this game
blueredties 3 years ago 4
I still like Seiken Densetsu 2's OST better but this is good as well. Hiroki Kikuta is one of the best composers SQUARE had and better than the ones they have even now in 2008.
gamefan1980 3 years ago
Duh on that. Dream Team walks all over any team they working for Sony today.
operations1000 3 years ago
uber!
MCABullshitmaster 3 years ago
Remember first time i heard this song when fighting Karl (As Kevin) that was freakin epic, First time --> Epic Battle system starts with a emotional fight against your friend and the most epic piece of music ever.
Fight vs Karl --> Best fight in the game.
Cameraman2 3 years ago 24
@Cameraman2 Best fight in the game? That shit made me cry.
zsybrant 11 months ago
damn epic!!
RikuKitazawa 3 years ago 3
pure awesomness!
Aibit654 3 years ago 3
Megageile zeiten echt!
Apfelzuckerschnecke 3 years ago
Einfach cool ich find das Lied Hamma
: )
chiaki234 3 years ago