@sampsalol .. you are a poor lost soul who thinks another human can create a tree, flower, or sunlight from nothing .. you are too proud to admit there is someone greater than yourself .. I'll say a prayer for you ... no God ... how can one person be so BLIND.
CHOICE comes BEFORE conception ... MURDER comes AFTER ! Obama is an uncaring, insensitive killer of human beings. Women who have abortions are too young and stupid to know any better .. why do we give them the power to destroy mankind???
CHOICE comes BEFORE conception ... MURDER comes AFTER !
.. let's wake up people (with ANY brains) .. our economy is in the dumps because we are aborting all the contributors .. we are killing God's greatest love .. mankind .. so He is killing our greatest love .. money.
you know what its ok to have sex when your 16 when your young your stupid.young people have sex cause thats life.people get abortions cause thats life live with it
i dont think that men should have a say in abortion because they will never experience what its like to be pregnant, to have another living thing literally be a part and attached to you for its own survival.
@kwondoaxprincess2 should men, therefore have no say in whether their 1wk old baby is killed, because he doesn't breast feed the baby?
Men and women do play different roles in parenting. But they both helped to create the baby. They both had half of the DNA chromosomes in order to conceive the baby. They are both parents.
A man's fatherhood should not be in question because of how the human's anatomy is designed.
He is not any less of a parent because he CAN'T carry and birth the baby.
Conscious life begins when the brain has fully developed, that is late term in pregnancy. It is illegal to get an abortion in most states at that stage UNLESS there is a medically emergency, which is then a big shame. The sperm is not magically human life the minute it enters the egg, if we argue that, we might as well argue that sperm is human life. And any man that masturbates is a serial killer.
idky people care about what happens to other people's bodies or their babies.. Cuz i bet when that baby is born society will treat it like a bitch! and we r the first people to criticize that baby for coming out gay and saying it shud a never been born. or sending it to war to die. I saw this video..of a baby crawling on the highway. nobody stopped! hypocrisy.
If i'm raped. I'm not delivering the rapists baby. Cuz u have to deal with the torment people asking "oh whos the guy?" ........"um...I got raped". it isnt as easy as just GIVING it up for adoption.. u have to wake up everyday..look at ur stomach and remember that u got RAPED. its traumatizing!
People shouldnt be able to throw their babies away when they make mistakes!..but it shudnt b against the law to abort when a woman's health is at risk..or raped.
@SkyeCloud there's abortion then theres murder. Do some research, I'm pro-choice, if you wanna take the risk of unprotected sex and abort a baby fine your choice, I wouldn't didn't, and love the life I have with my child I'm glad I didn't abort. A rape victim, yes abort, that would be awful to deal with. Do some research though, abort early, dont wait 30 weeks then abort, that is the law Obama passed. He allowed women at 27 weeks to abort by what is called forced labor.
@SkyeCloud forced labor is when the woman is induced, gives birth to the child, baby is alive but as a pre-me, need medical attention to survive or it will die. Anywhere from one minute, to a day and a half it has taken some of these "abortions" to die. The baby is placed in a room, denied medical attention and food so it can die a slow death at times. This is what Obama promoted. "Fixing a mistake" he called it.
@BettyB1011 Bullshit. That never happens. Not in America. Late term abortion is when the baby is removed (Knowing that it won't survive outside the womb) and therefore put down down before they remove it. It is illegal, except for medical emergencies (which is what obama supported). What you're stating is crazy illegal propaganda, no hospital could legally get away with that. If a baby is taken out prematurely and it CAN live outside the womb, then it will be supported and taken care of.
@DeadButBreathing do your research look up how abortions are done online watch the videos and interviews of people. There's so many doctors and nurses coming out with how this shit goes down. America is not the saint country boy, trust me shit like that does happen. Why do you think it's an issue in America? Trust me it's not cause it's not happening genius. No if the parent doesn't want the child and no arrangements were made for the child, then the child is left for dead. look it up
@blue8655 Those are highly illegal abortions. And not LEGAL ones, which is what I support. Under law, live babies that are alive and fine cannot just be left somewhere to die, that is considered murder under law.
""If you believe that life begins at conception...then I can't argue with you on that, because that is a core issue of faith for you." --Obama
To think that life begins at conception is not a matter of faith. Life begins at conception, and that is not a judgment or an opinion, but scientific fact. The question is when human rights kick in. The Declaration of Independence says human rights are inalienable. If you think you can take a human life when it's really young, that ain't inalienable.
Obama points out that these women 'wrestle with' the decision. Well, the relevant question is, why is it anything to be wrestled with? If a woman is "wrestling" with the decision to get an abortion, it means on some level she thinks maybe, just maybe, she is killing her own child. Even if that is a 1/1000 possibility for her, how can she go ahead and do it?
loan987654321.... So basically you are claiming that on a practical level the Pope (for instance) is not a Christian?
Most Christians don't take every word of the bible literally (thank goodness), are you actually claiming that we can discount these people as christians?
We have the technology to identify the male responsible for any pregnancy. Why do we not hear proposals from the pro-life side to identify the father, hold him accountable through wage garnishing or other means of forced financial steps to support his baby? Do pro-lifers threaten the life of a child by NOT holding the father responsible for the support that newborn will need for a fruitful life? Where is the legislation to make this law? It makes the pro-life mssion ring hollow.
I feel strongly that it would reduce the number of abortions. For too long, men in influential positions have framed this problem as one that women induce by enticing males into predicaments that are not their fault. I've heard it from many men say this. This change would assign the proper share of responsibility on all parties involved in creating the child, thus improving the care and support that child will receive as it grows up. As it is now, the male runs free to err again.
I know I sound like an ultra-liberal feminist when it comes to this issue, but I really came to my abortion idea after hearing the deafening debate over so many years and NEVER seeing any real progress...and I am male. We probably would have more than a few members of Congress on both sides of the aisle who wouldn't fare very well if identifying and forcing accountability on the male responsible for a pregnancy became law. I believe it's the missing weapon to reduce the occurrence of abortions.
There is a myth...the myth is that you can be pro choice and a christian that you can be pro homosexual and a christian. There is no such thing. You either believe in the whole bible or in none of it at all, picking the parts of the bible that fits your political agenda does not make you a christian. When Obama says he is a christiian its like me saying 3+3=5....there is no way around it. And if solely believing Jesus was the son of God makes a person a christian the the devil is a christian.
ignorant person hes geting rid of your right to choose and not to mention if that law passed people will go for back street abortions where thousonds of people can die
This is the one thing I respect about McCain more than anything. If he wasn't for the Iraq War and didn't choose Sarah Palin as his running mate I would have voted for him (if I was an American).
I don't like to make negative comments about our presidents because I feel that they deserve extreme respect for their position. But Obama always comes across to me as very ignorant when it comes to the issue of abortion. He says that no woman takes the decision lightly. That may be true of some but many women do take it lightly. I just can never understand why he thinks he can generalize like that because it is SO untrue!
most of the people who are pro abortion are ignorants! They see things only through one perspective, the trendy mainstream perspective, women's freedom of choice whether they want their body to carry a child or not...which is utterly disgusting...it's not about women's choice, it's about life! people can't see that, because they're too selfish and blind in their own silly arguments
its funny because i find that most christians dont like obama because he is pro choice, but doesn't God give man a choice.. (thats just my opinion on the subject)
wow go abortion i mean seriously cause its there baby and it would be better for some children if they had abortion cause they get beat and stuff hell i wish my parents gave me abortion cause then id be in heaven. and if some republican replys saying its wring and why then bring it cause i have my reasons why we should. BRING IT!!!
Hey people I'm pregnant and you know what I think abortion is sick and I'm 14 and my ex left me for another woman who's 13 so you know what all the idiots on here who beleive in abortion take my story for example
Umm your story is an example on why abortion should be legal. Good luck and all, but I think girls in your situation deserve a choice in what they want to do, the government has no business telling people what to do with their bodies.
ok. say you were a teenager. i'll say around 16. everyone knows that teens are starting to have babies, even though its wrong. now between school and ur job, you just dont have time to take care of a baby. ur parents refuse to take care of it and you can babrely keep u grades up and ur thinkin, how can i keep it? And u dont want to have it. what would you do?
it's not a crime to give a baby to adoption, you don't have to raise it, but you don't have the fucking rights to deny it life!!!
teenagers indeed are getting pregnant very soon, so what??? killing innocent and DEFENSELESS beings is not the answer! the answer is EDUCATION! There are many many ways to prevent a pregnancy! Abortion is alright only if the mother's life is in real DANGER! But then we're talking about life, not selfish reasons to have an abortion because you forgot to use condom etc
haha I agree! Why is it ok to kill a baby because his mom and dad decided to get it on before they were ready to raise a child? that's so selfish!!!!!!
U put the baby up for adoption. If u wanna see the baby ugive the baby to someone that u know who wants to adopt a baby who lives close to u so u can see the baby as much as u want
16 huh? You know why teens are starting to have babies? Because they are having sex. 16 year olds should not be having sex. But you know what, if they want to have sex then they have to live with the consequences. Sorry. That's life!
haha ok. sorry. and I'm a teenager too actually :) To answer your question, if he passes a law for abortion, it won't keep me from putting my child up for adoption. What is will do is LEGALLY take the lives of MILLIONS of human beings who don't have the ability or the chance to defend themselves.
@Supergirl492 I am 22, my boyfriend and I are expecting, and we are far from prepared or financially ready for this baby. Obama says "why punish the parent with a baby because they made a mistake?" I say, why kill a child because as an adult I made a mistake,and being taught since I was 12 that you can get pregnant when you have unprotected sex. We make these choices, not the baby, why kill it? There's other options
@Supergirl492 Yeah and the kids parents have to raise the kid? That's very fair. The kid has to grow up with a teen mom who is not able of raising a kid?
@Supergirl492 You're not a special person. You don't get to dictate what the consequences of anybody else's sexual activity will be. Sorry. That's life!
@gingerbreadcorpses When did I "dictate what the consequences of anybody else's sexual life"? Last time I checked, that role was given to science and nature. If you're referring to a comment I left months ago about people living with the consequences of having sex then let me reiterate. There ARE consequences to unsafe sex. Trying to erase those consequences (ie. abortion) is just cowardly.
@Supergirl492 So if someone got a sexually transmitted disease, they shouldn't seek medical treatment, because science and nature has already dictated the consequence and any attempt to erase it would be cowardly??? Is that true for people who get cancer from smoking? Or who break a leg from not wearing their seatbelt? Why is pregnancy the only condition that women aren't allowed to seek medical intervention for?
@gingerbreadcorpses Abortion is not a treatment. A pregnancy is not a disease. Why is pregnancy the only condition that women aren't allowed to seek medical intervention for? Because every other situation you mentioned did not involve the life of another human being.
@gingerbreadcorpses No it's a murder actually. I have a drug addicted uncle who has caused my family so much pain that I would argue that his presence in my life has been as bad as a disease as well. So should I kill him?
the freedom of choice act is just making catholic hospitals provide abortions. if theyre going to use public money then why are they making decisions for the public without giving them a say in the matter? catholic hospitals should not be making decisions FOR people who arent catholic.
i think that catholic hospitals should provide abortions if there are no other hospitals within 50 miles.
Life begins at conception it takes 24 hours right after conception...thats why their is a medical procedure for women who are raped that withing 12 hours after the rape..if they go to the hostpital they can have a procedure done where doctors scrape the semen out..yet most women and pro choice people dont want to believe that!!
it takes six days for the egg to inplant its self on the wall of the uterus, another 6 days for it to start growing. anytime after that, that embryo's organs start to form, heart etc, and that will produce a little heart beat. i think abortion should be legalised, but at an early stage, having an abortion too late, is horrible and murder. That's why women who are raped should have a choice on what they want to do. Women who have unplanned sex are abusing the right to abort.
you clearly didnt read my comment fully. Say you were a women. And you were sexually attacked, and BURDENED with a baby, would you abort or not, that is why i think it is more humane to do it at an early stage, but if it is done months into the pregnancy, it is inhuman and i don't support that form of abortion.
And you clearly didn't read my comment fully. If I were a woman I would consider adoption. Aborting a child unfortunately doesn't negate the fact that the person was raped.
The embryo is a living organism no matter how small!
I'll say this one more time because obviously you are illiterate. HAVING AN ABORTION DOESN'T NEGATE THE FACT THAT THE WOMAN WAS RAPED! RAPE DOESN'T MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR JUST BECAUSE THE BABY WAS KILLED! NOT ONLY IS IT THE RAPIST BABY ITS ALSO HER BABY! LESS THAN .03% OF ABORTIONS ARE BECAUSE OF RAPE. WHAT PART AREN'T YOU GETTING?
I'm Christian, no I do not judge the baby in any sense.
What I'm saying is I would not want to be a woman, having to deliver a rapists baby.
Which is why I think the government should have another more humane way of stopping the cells in the woman's womb from forming into a fetus.
way I see it, if it has a heartbeat, then it is a sin to kill it, I can understand why people get upset over that. I don't believe in abortion, at all. I think there should be another way, that's all.
But as a Christian as well, I don't believe humans should have that power or choice. For me, if God wants that life to begin and develop, we shouldn't play any part in stopping that. Idk, I like to believe the baby is God's way of bringing good out of something awful. That's just my opinion though....
Obama believes women should have a choice, he at no point says should a woman have a choice to kill her child on the conterary he speeks if you listen about how by working together with pro-lifers to try to reduce abortion by providing better medical facilities, and might i just open the eyes for some of you who dont know it, illigal abortions are more common than you think...your just blocking legal safe abortions in favour of dangerous sometimes life threatening illigal abortions
Or, unless you would rather have 13 year olds finding dangerous ways with coat hangers, and other utensils to do a home abortion? Or have the baby and toss in in the trash? You should all reconsider.
I think you who aren't argeeing with Obama in this specific situation, your all ignorant. They aren't your children, your not a 13 year old about to give up your body for a child you'll probably later on abuse, and not be able to support. Just think to yourselves what you would do if your mother/father told you later on in life they hate you and never wanted you, just couldn't get an abortion thanks to dipshit McCain.
Well, I'd sure be glad that I was alive to be resented. That certainly sounds preferable to being dead.
As for your statement on ignorance, you don't seem to have a lot of room to talk if you are basing abortion rights for all on the circumstances of a very small minority.
obama believes woman should have the choice to kill the baby which is totally wrong. Mccain belives abortion should be illegal. Mccain voted for the partial-birth abortion ban act. an and opposes having tax ayers pay for funding of abortion. Obama supports the bill the bill (hyde amendment) that makes tax payers used for abortion and he supports the partial birth abortion ban which is simply when in the 5th month the feet are pulled out of the womb and punctures the skill and suctions the brain
Im sorry but I dont think you should kill an unborn baby. You want to save a freaking seal but not a human life? What if that baby would have created the cure for cancer or wht if it was a great musician or composer? What if they cured AIDS?? You never know who you're killing?? Ask yourself this a prostitute is opregnant with her 6th child every child she had so far was deaf or blind or had birth defects should she have an abortion?
sabresforever4861 or you might abort and have avoided someone like hitler or a mass bomber or a pedophile from having a life too. That is not a logical argument as we can't know from before what that life will be.
Haha, watch 00:50 Obama couldn't even answer the question of "what he's done to limit abortion". Btw, look up his voting record. He didn't even vote against partial-birth abortion.
Don't you love that republicans in government are all like stay out of people's lives but with abortion they are so quick to say it's not a womans choice whether or not to keep or carry a child? I'm not for abortion, but i'm am pro-chioce, women should have options.
Actually, nobody is quick to say whether or not a woman should keep her child. Republicans are not a "stay out of people's lives" party. That would be the Libertarian party. The Republican party wants to interfere in private lives but not interfere with their financial lives, whereas the Democrats generally want the opposite.
" How come when it's us it's an abortion and when it's chicken it's an Omelet? are we better than a chicken?" and Pro-lifes think we should keep the child and raise him but if he happens to be a Doctor when we are in the war we might have to kill him!!!! what the fuck is that they are killing Doctors and Engineers in the war !!!
I love it. Pro-abortion Negroes. Doing what the KKK could only dream of. Abortion kills 33% of Negro babies & Negroes are only 11% of the population. Do the math. The Negroes will be gone in no time!!
when people believe in bible's god,even killing live kids becomes moral: Moses was angry with the officers of the army who returned from battle. "Have you allowed all the women to live? They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and turned the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. [Num 31:14-18]
missionarysarahbarry: Do you know ANY christian that lives their life according to the chronicles contained in Numbers? No you don't. And you can't find any.
The reason for this is simple: we believe that One God has done different things through different people at different times in history. Please take the time to understand how real Christians interpret the Bible!
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free. [Ephesians 6:5-8]
A changing God is an inconsistent one that cannot be trusted.
If God is omniscient, then he knows all and has no need to change tactics from being domineering and merciless in the Old Testament to loving and forgiving in the New Testament.
God does not change... if you tell your child he can't have a donut and a coke at 4:30 while your wife is making super, but then after supper if he asks again and you say OK he can have a little junk food, does that mean you're inconsistent? No, providing there is a reasonable explanation for the change. If you write down the reasons in a book and give the book to your child, then you've gone above and beyond in communicating.
You should try reading the book before you say your God is unfair
if God is the final arbiter of principles, then yes, any change of his represents a change in principles. Right and wrong do not change, and they are not comparable to not letting someone have a cookie at one point and then later letting them have a cookie. Giving (or not giving) someone a cookie is not a moral decision (unless the person is hypoglycemic).
Is killing someone a moral decision? Yes, but we would both agree it is OK in some circumstances (self-defense, as part of your nation's military (with the authorization of your authorities) or perhaps in retribution for a capital offense (also, need the due process of authority/law)
missionarysarah took a verse in the OT that seems to condone killing, but let me assure you it's not as simple as she makes it out to be and further her argument takes that verse out of context.
well it wasn't stubbornness in children, it was rebellion, but that was because the nation that God designed for the Jews to live in revolved around a strong family unit. I don't think that should be enforced in our nation, and neither does palin or any other bible believer.
That aside, all your telling me is that you disagree with God on a minor point of legislation that a group of people contractually agreed live live by 4k years ago.
And I don't disagree w/God, but I don't think it applies.
Correct. That doesn't apply: it was a rule given to a nation in the desert. But it's not a non-nonsensical rule either: shellfish are bottom feeders so if you eat too much of them you can get too much * (lead, whatever is in high concentration in their bodies). I LOVE all seafood (grew up on the west coast, went to college on the east coast) but I try not to eat clams every day in excess.
The O.T. is more fascinating the more you study it. I'll never know everything about the Bible.
Great! Information can't change a person's heart (and true Christianity is a change of heart and a relationship with Jesus), but it can help you get over oppositions to the message of the Bible. I hope you take another long hard look at it! I did when I was 19 years old (started reading I John and Romans over and over) and I can tell you that since I was born again at that time the world has made more sense than ever
As for "killing anything with a face is murder", how often do we murder in the pursuit of food? Animals have faces, do they not? Hell, we might as well ban smacking mosquitoes, because those have faces and thus smashing one is murder. Shame on you, you cold-blooded killer!
just saying put them up for adoption doesn't solve anything, because realistically there aren't very many families looking to adopt compared to how many kids are born unintended that are put up in foster homes.
Lies. There's not enough children to go around. Shut up if you don't know what you're talking about k bye. thanks.
and just saying put them up for adoption doesn't solve anything, because realistically there aren't very many families looking to adopt compared to how many kids are born unintended that are put up in foster homes.
pro choice means women have the choice to have an abortion, and that a licensed professional will do it (unlike when it's illegal where people do it themselves) you know that many crack babies could be prevented through abortion, and before you say, "well, that's murder," you ever think that it could be for the progression of society? people should have a choice if they don't mean to have a pregnancy. and just saying don't have sex doesn't work, people still do it, it's human instinct.
Ok, lets go with that. Then why not give mothers the right to kill born crack babies? Especially before they develop full conciousness? This would also save society so much, give us more money and do all the things you say abortions saves. Why not new born handicapped or very sick? Why drain society on those?
Ok, lets go with that. then why don't we criminalize every male for wasting his sperm or using a condom ?
because according to your way of thinking every sperm is potentially a child ?
this is not something i have made up there are some religions like "Assyrian" that condemns married couple having sex if it's not for conceiving a child
Life continues from before conception through conception and beyond. The egg is living and the sperm is living. At conception the living egg and the living sperm join and at that point we have a new, individual human being. Accepting the false challenge regarding 'when life begins' is accepting a convenient lie to avoid the truth that life has continued from the beginning until individual death. Abortion is death.
Ok so say what if you suddenly got really sick. You want your parents to kill you? Look everyone has rights thats one the nation is based on. Your just telling me that if im weaker then i shuold die. What does the money matter anyways you dont carry money with you after you die. Anyways draining society? Its called helping people.
It's also human instinct to love your offspring, and that is realized by so many women every day, who don't get that feeling until after the deed is done. These women then go through excruciating mental trauma and often end up commiting suicide, because they can't stand to wake up every morning and think about what they have done with a human life, way after they know it is too late to take back what hey have done. Abortion causes pain to unsuspecting women every day, and that is very wrong.
i'm saying that women can have the choice to have an abortion, not saying that i would force it upon them to have one. if they feel that they want to have the kid then they can feel free to do it, but the choice should be there for them to not have the kid.
I believe the baby isn't alive until it grows a heart so you can't say your killing a baby when you don't have a heart...My beliefs so you can say what ever you want but I'm pro-choice
if people dont want kids they shouldn't have sex if they are raped that isnt the child's fault like stated below but if they dont want it u give it up 4 adoption but make that decision wen the child is born cuz u may love that baby even if it didnt come around in the way u wanted it to
Abortion is murder. Just because you didn't "want" the baby doesn't mean you can kill it. The sad thing is, is that if we were talking about puppies being killed everyone would say it's wrong! I love animals, but HUMANES have a little bit more value. Don't you think? Rape is sad, but still not the babies fault! In most cases(not ALL) the mother has put herself out there in some way. Once again, NOT THE BABIES FAULT! Americans need to stop treating life as an option! It's a gift!
Racehorse93: "Rape is sad, but still not the babies fault! In most cases(not ALL) the mother has put herself out there in some way."
People like you are the reason most rapes go unreported. You blame the VICTIM. Women who are raped face major guilt and shame issues already without ignorant people assuming that she must have done something to bring it upon herself. A rape victim is as innocent in becoming pregnant as the baby. I'm prolife but this is the most idiotic argument I've ever heard.
Every girl I know that has gotten pregnant did because they had sex. Most of them turn around and say they were raped because they feel guilt. Trust me, I'm not blaming any victim. I am saying that not evry single case was a rape like it's made out to be. People make mistakes and sometimes try to make it out as something else. Understand that I have friends who were vilolated and I feel terible for them.
Then you should just say "I've known cases where girls have gotten pregnant and claimed rape where they weren't". Stating that "rape is sad but...in most cases the mother has put herself out there in some way" and that the baby is the only innocent one is NOT the same thing. You are stating that most rape victims put themselves out there and deserved it and are guilty in some way, not that you've known girls who've cried rape.
I've got to say that I don't appreicate you trying to turn me into a bad guy here. I said that in SOME cases the girl is lieing. I'm not here to waste my time arguing with some kid on youtube. I'm not saying that evey single person claiming rape is lieing, but I said that some are and you need to acknowlegde that too. I'm the last person on earth who would defend a guilty man before an innocent girl. But i think blaming somone who did nothing is wrong too.
I'm not trying to turn you into a bad guy. I only used your own words. I am not "some kid", I am gainfully employed, a college graduate, and an adult female. Your orignal argument was that "Rape is sad but...in most cases the mother has put herself out there in some way". That does not include girls you know who've cried rape and lied, it reads that in most cases of rape the mother put herself out there in some way. If I misunderstood your argument, I apologize, but that is how I read it.
Besides that, if this is your view on rape, I believe that it's entirely possible that the girls you know were telling the truth and you were too blind to believe it. Our society is much more understanding about pregnant unmarried girls than on rape victims. With abortions (unfortunately) so easy to obtain with no one knowing, why in the WORLD would a girl take on the stigma of being a rape victim voluntarily on top of being pregnant? I'm just not sure I understand that one.
I think some girls feel better telling the story that someone did something to them, instead of the truth that they made a mistake. No one wants to admit they did something wrong or stupid. If someone really was raped it's absalutely horrible and they need help. Someone who claims rape but wasn't needs help too. They are obviously hurting inside for different reasons.
@sampsalol .. you are a poor lost soul who thinks another human can create a tree, flower, or sunlight from nothing .. you are too proud to admit there is someone greater than yourself .. I'll say a prayer for you ... no God ... how can one person be so BLIND.
JamesFotheringham 1 week ago
CHOICE comes BEFORE conception ... MURDER comes AFTER ! Obama is an uncaring, insensitive killer of human beings. Women who have abortions are too young and stupid to know any better .. why do we give them the power to destroy mankind???
JamesFotheringham 1 week ago
CHOICE comes BEFORE conception ... MURDER comes AFTER !
.. let's wake up people (with ANY brains) .. our economy is in the dumps because we are aborting all the contributors .. we are killing God's greatest love .. mankind .. so He is killing our greatest love .. money.
JamesFotheringham 3 months ago
@JamesFotheringham Too bad there is no God, only money. And no, God didn't cause the recession. LOL.
sampsalol 1 week ago
you know what its ok to have sex when your 16 when your young your stupid.young people have sex cause thats life.people get abortions cause thats life live with it
FoxyAngie1000 8 months ago 2
i dont think that men should have a say in abortion because they will never experience what its like to be pregnant, to have another living thing literally be a part and attached to you for its own survival.
kwondoaxprincess2 10 months ago
@kwondoaxprincess2 should men, therefore have no say in whether their 1wk old baby is killed, because he doesn't breast feed the baby?
Men and women do play different roles in parenting. But they both helped to create the baby. They both had half of the DNA chromosomes in order to conceive the baby. They are both parents.
A man's fatherhood should not be in question because of how the human's anatomy is designed.
He is not any less of a parent because he CAN'T carry and birth the baby.
amberose91 9 months ago 2
Conscious life begins when the brain has fully developed, that is late term in pregnancy. It is illegal to get an abortion in most states at that stage UNLESS there is a medically emergency, which is then a big shame. The sperm is not magically human life the minute it enters the egg, if we argue that, we might as well argue that sperm is human life. And any man that masturbates is a serial killer.
DeadButBreathing 11 months ago
idky people care about what happens to other people's bodies or their babies.. Cuz i bet when that baby is born society will treat it like a bitch! and we r the first people to criticize that baby for coming out gay and saying it shud a never been born. or sending it to war to die. I saw this video..of a baby crawling on the highway. nobody stopped! hypocrisy.
SkyeCloud 1 year ago
If i'm raped. I'm not delivering the rapists baby. Cuz u have to deal with the torment people asking "oh whos the guy?" ........"um...I got raped". it isnt as easy as just GIVING it up for adoption.. u have to wake up everyday..look at ur stomach and remember that u got RAPED. its traumatizing!
People shouldnt be able to throw their babies away when they make mistakes!..but it shudnt b against the law to abort when a woman's health is at risk..or raped.
SkyeCloud 1 year ago
@SkyeCloud there's abortion then theres murder. Do some research, I'm pro-choice, if you wanna take the risk of unprotected sex and abort a baby fine your choice, I wouldn't didn't, and love the life I have with my child I'm glad I didn't abort. A rape victim, yes abort, that would be awful to deal with. Do some research though, abort early, dont wait 30 weeks then abort, that is the law Obama passed. He allowed women at 27 weeks to abort by what is called forced labor.
BettyB1011 1 year ago
@SkyeCloud forced labor is when the woman is induced, gives birth to the child, baby is alive but as a pre-me, need medical attention to survive or it will die. Anywhere from one minute, to a day and a half it has taken some of these "abortions" to die. The baby is placed in a room, denied medical attention and food so it can die a slow death at times. This is what Obama promoted. "Fixing a mistake" he called it.
BettyB1011 1 year ago
@BettyB1011 Bullshit. That never happens. Not in America. Late term abortion is when the baby is removed (Knowing that it won't survive outside the womb) and therefore put down down before they remove it. It is illegal, except for medical emergencies (which is what obama supported). What you're stating is crazy illegal propaganda, no hospital could legally get away with that. If a baby is taken out prematurely and it CAN live outside the womb, then it will be supported and taken care of.
DeadButBreathing 11 months ago
@DeadButBreathing do your research look up how abortions are done online watch the videos and interviews of people. There's so many doctors and nurses coming out with how this shit goes down. America is not the saint country boy, trust me shit like that does happen. Why do you think it's an issue in America? Trust me it's not cause it's not happening genius. No if the parent doesn't want the child and no arrangements were made for the child, then the child is left for dead. look it up
blue8655 10 months ago
@blue8655 Those are highly illegal abortions. And not LEGAL ones, which is what I support. Under law, live babies that are alive and fine cannot just be left somewhere to die, that is considered murder under law.
DeadButBreathing 10 months ago
""If you believe that life begins at conception...then I can't argue with you on that, because that is a core issue of faith for you." --Obama
To think that life begins at conception is not a matter of faith. Life begins at conception, and that is not a judgment or an opinion, but scientific fact. The question is when human rights kick in. The Declaration of Independence says human rights are inalienable. If you think you can take a human life when it's really young, that ain't inalienable.
Jugglable 1 year ago
Obama points out that these women 'wrestle with' the decision. Well, the relevant question is, why is it anything to be wrestled with? If a woman is "wrestling" with the decision to get an abortion, it means on some level she thinks maybe, just maybe, she is killing her own child. Even if that is a 1/1000 possibility for her, how can she go ahead and do it?
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VimisMoscow 1 year ago
It weird how republicans want the baby to live, but when the baby comes out, they dont want to help for healthcare to help the baby live..
TheGabby07 1 year ago 3
"I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born" ---Ronald Reagan
UnitedWeStand90 1 year ago 13
So if the father of the baby is a great guy with open arms for his child...
...the mother remains entitled by the government to murder his baby daughter or baby son?
That is as sick as it gets.
Got to Hell, Obama.
RichKnight2010 1 year ago
@neymoura
where do you get your info, or you aborted at nine months??
cecidoom 1 year ago
@neymoura no u are very naive if u believe that
Jaaagomez94 1 year ago
@neymoura I'm going to look into that, but I very highly doubt it.
ashleyoswell32 2 years ago
that's so sad!
Supergirl492 2 years ago
loan987654321.... So basically you are claiming that on a practical level the Pope (for instance) is not a Christian?
Most Christians don't take every word of the bible literally (thank goodness), are you actually claiming that we can discount these people as christians?
Sirstingray 2 years ago
when does obama believe that life begins?
Supergirl492 2 years ago
huh?? good question?? i've wondered that too??
kozykoop6969 2 years ago
We have the technology to identify the male responsible for any pregnancy. Why do we not hear proposals from the pro-life side to identify the father, hold him accountable through wage garnishing or other means of forced financial steps to support his baby? Do pro-lifers threaten the life of a child by NOT holding the father responsible for the support that newborn will need for a fruitful life? Where is the legislation to make this law? It makes the pro-life mssion ring hollow.
charadester 2 years ago
do you think that would help the pro life movement? would it reduce the amount of abortions?
Supergirl492 2 years ago
I feel strongly that it would reduce the number of abortions. For too long, men in influential positions have framed this problem as one that women induce by enticing males into predicaments that are not their fault. I've heard it from many men say this. This change would assign the proper share of responsibility on all parties involved in creating the child, thus improving the care and support that child will receive as it grows up. As it is now, the male runs free to err again.
charadester 2 years ago
That's a really good point
Supergirl492 2 years ago
I know I sound like an ultra-liberal feminist when it comes to this issue, but I really came to my abortion idea after hearing the deafening debate over so many years and NEVER seeing any real progress...and I am male. We probably would have more than a few members of Congress on both sides of the aisle who wouldn't fare very well if identifying and forcing accountability on the male responsible for a pregnancy became law. I believe it's the missing weapon to reduce the occurrence of abortions.
charadester 2 years ago
There is a myth...the myth is that you can be pro choice and a christian that you can be pro homosexual and a christian. There is no such thing. You either believe in the whole bible or in none of it at all, picking the parts of the bible that fits your political agenda does not make you a christian. When Obama says he is a christiian its like me saying 3+3=5....there is no way around it. And if solely believing Jesus was the son of God makes a person a christian the the devil is a christian.
loan987654321 2 years ago
ignorant person hes geting rid of your right to choose and not to mention if that law passed people will go for back street abortions where thousonds of people can die
manticore117 2 years ago
This is the one thing I respect about McCain more than anything. If he wasn't for the Iraq War and didn't choose Sarah Palin as his running mate I would have voted for him (if I was an American).
dfbhcf 2 years ago
we at war to get terrorists. and you little sexist you must be gay to hate woman
Colin2k41 2 years ago
I don't hate woman, I hate abortion and the fact that it's legalized.
dfbhcf 2 years ago
okay so is she.
Colin2k41 2 years ago
I don't like to make negative comments about our presidents because I feel that they deserve extreme respect for their position. But Obama always comes across to me as very ignorant when it comes to the issue of abortion. He says that no woman takes the decision lightly. That may be true of some but many women do take it lightly. I just can never understand why he thinks he can generalize like that because it is SO untrue!
Supergirl492 2 years ago
most of the people who are pro abortion are ignorants! They see things only through one perspective, the trendy mainstream perspective, women's freedom of choice whether they want their body to carry a child or not...which is utterly disgusting...it's not about women's choice, it's about life! people can't see that, because they're too selfish and blind in their own silly arguments
erikazilla 2 years ago
its funny because i find that most christians dont like obama because he is pro choice, but doesn't God give man a choice.. (thats just my opinion on the subject)
yungfresh2def24 2 years ago
God never gave man the choice to take the life of another human being. Christians understand that.
Supergirl492 2 years ago
wow go abortion i mean seriously cause its there baby and it would be better for some children if they had abortion cause they get beat and stuff hell i wish my parents gave me abortion cause then id be in heaven. and if some republican replys saying its wring and why then bring it cause i have my reasons why we should. BRING IT!!!
Vegeta20009 2 years ago
"My dad beets me. I would rather be dead." You know, they put people in therapy for that kind of thinking.
Supergirl492 2 years ago
youre all toothless republican mofos
go obama!!
kerlixalyne 3 years ago
I'm not afraid to give birth I await it anxiously in fact
Murdoc2Dbabe 3 years ago
Hey people I'm pregnant and you know what I think abortion is sick and I'm 14 and my ex left me for another woman who's 13 so you know what all the idiots on here who beleive in abortion take my story for example
Murdoc2Dbabe 3 years ago
Umm your story is an example on why abortion should be legal. Good luck and all, but I think girls in your situation deserve a choice in what they want to do, the government has no business telling people what to do with their bodies.
AquaToddler 2 years ago
Then why did Obama sighn that thing where you can kill the baby by starving it to death the day after it's born? that man is sick absolutely sick
Murdoc2Dbabe 3 years ago
ok. say you were a teenager. i'll say around 16. everyone knows that teens are starting to have babies, even though its wrong. now between school and ur job, you just dont have time to take care of a baby. ur parents refuse to take care of it and you can babrely keep u grades up and ur thinkin, how can i keep it? And u dont want to have it. what would you do?
texasshawty013 3 years ago
it's not a crime to give a baby to adoption, you don't have to raise it, but you don't have the fucking rights to deny it life!!!
teenagers indeed are getting pregnant very soon, so what??? killing innocent and DEFENSELESS beings is not the answer! the answer is EDUCATION! There are many many ways to prevent a pregnancy! Abortion is alright only if the mother's life is in real DANGER! But then we're talking about life, not selfish reasons to have an abortion because you forgot to use condom etc
BitchIStoleYourFish 3 years ago
haha I agree! Why is it ok to kill a baby because his mom and dad decided to get it on before they were ready to raise a child? that's so selfish!!!!!!
Supergirl492 2 years ago
U put the baby up for adoption. If u wanna see the baby ugive the baby to someone that u know who wants to adopt a baby who lives close to u so u can see the baby as much as u want
ivankaman21 2 years ago
16 huh? You know why teens are starting to have babies? Because they are having sex. 16 year olds should not be having sex. But you know what, if they want to have sex then they have to live with the consequences. Sorry. That's life!
Supergirl492 2 years ago 9
I totally AGREE with you!
erikazilla 2 years ago
thank you!
Supergirl492 2 years ago
I guess u cleared that up for me! And yes, it IS totally wrong for aborting it,
texasshawty013 2 years ago
Wait are you serious or are you being sarcastic? sorry I'm lame at reading what people actually mean.
Supergirl492 2 years ago
Serious...im jus a teenager...i do have another question. If he passes a law for abortion, is it going to keep you from putting it up for adoption?
texasshawty013 2 years ago
haha ok. sorry. and I'm a teenager too actually :) To answer your question, if he passes a law for abortion, it won't keep me from putting my child up for adoption. What is will do is LEGALLY take the lives of MILLIONS of human beings who don't have the ability or the chance to defend themselves.
Supergirl492 2 years ago
@Supergirl492 I am 22, my boyfriend and I are expecting, and we are far from prepared or financially ready for this baby. Obama says "why punish the parent with a baby because they made a mistake?" I say, why kill a child because as an adult I made a mistake,and being taught since I was 12 that you can get pregnant when you have unprotected sex. We make these choices, not the baby, why kill it? There's other options
BettyB1011 1 year ago
@BettyB1011 Thank you :) See that's a responsible way of thinking
Supergirl492 1 year ago
@Supergirl492 Yeah and the kids parents have to raise the kid? That's very fair. The kid has to grow up with a teen mom who is not able of raising a kid?
KayoteThunder 1 year ago
@Supergirl492 no... the problem is that they are forgoing birth control
Daniel39363 10 months ago
@Supergirl492 You're not a special person. You don't get to dictate what the consequences of anybody else's sexual activity will be. Sorry. That's life!
gingerbreadcorpses 5 months ago
@gingerbreadcorpses When did I "dictate what the consequences of anybody else's sexual life"? Last time I checked, that role was given to science and nature. If you're referring to a comment I left months ago about people living with the consequences of having sex then let me reiterate. There ARE consequences to unsafe sex. Trying to erase those consequences (ie. abortion) is just cowardly.
Supergirl492 5 months ago
@Supergirl492 So if someone got a sexually transmitted disease, they shouldn't seek medical treatment, because science and nature has already dictated the consequence and any attempt to erase it would be cowardly??? Is that true for people who get cancer from smoking? Or who break a leg from not wearing their seatbelt? Why is pregnancy the only condition that women aren't allowed to seek medical intervention for?
gingerbreadcorpses 5 months ago
@gingerbreadcorpses Abortion is not a treatment. A pregnancy is not a disease. Why is pregnancy the only condition that women aren't allowed to seek medical intervention for? Because every other situation you mentioned did not involve the life of another human being.
Supergirl492 5 months ago
@Supergirl492 Abortion IS a treatment. And believe it or not, not every woman wants to be pregnant. So for many, it's just as bad as a disease.
gingerbreadcorpses 5 months ago
@gingerbreadcorpses No it's a murder actually. I have a drug addicted uncle who has caused my family so much pain that I would argue that his presence in my life has been as bad as a disease as well. So should I kill him?
Supergirl492 5 months ago
@Supergirl492 That depends. Is he inside your body using it against your will? If so, then yes, you may kill him.
gingerbreadcorpses 5 months ago
the freedom of choice act is just making catholic hospitals provide abortions. if theyre going to use public money then why are they making decisions for the public without giving them a say in the matter? catholic hospitals should not be making decisions FOR people who arent catholic.
i think that catholic hospitals should provide abortions if there are no other hospitals within 50 miles.
5U64RC4K35 3 years ago
Life begins at conception it takes 24 hours right after conception...thats why their is a medical procedure for women who are raped that withing 12 hours after the rape..if they go to the hostpital they can have a procedure done where doctors scrape the semen out..yet most women and pro choice people dont want to believe that!!
crackerkings 3 years ago
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aliceann76 3 years ago
Life does not begin at conception. It's a fact.
shortydoowop2 3 years ago
If life doesn't begin at conception, then when does it begin?
MarryMeJuliet 3 years ago
when it produces a heartbeat.
5U64RC4K35 3 years ago
yes it does. So the living sperm and living egg produce a dead embryo. get out of here.
freejdc1 3 years ago
it takes six days for the egg to inplant its self on the wall of the uterus, another 6 days for it to start growing. anytime after that, that embryo's organs start to form, heart etc, and that will produce a little heart beat. i think abortion should be legalised, but at an early stage, having an abortion too late, is horrible and murder. That's why women who are raped should have a choice on what they want to do. Women who have unplanned sex are abusing the right to abort.
ThRaX9119 3 years ago
Doesn't matter how long it's forming, the fact is it's FORMING and is not DEAD.
freejdc1 3 years ago
you clearly didnt read my comment fully. Say you were a women. And you were sexually attacked, and BURDENED with a baby, would you abort or not, that is why i think it is more humane to do it at an early stage, but if it is done months into the pregnancy, it is inhuman and i don't support that form of abortion.
ThRaX9119 3 years ago
And you clearly didn't read my comment fully. If I were a woman I would consider adoption. Aborting a child unfortunately doesn't negate the fact that the person was raped.
The embryo is a living organism no matter how small!
freejdc1 3 years ago
so if you were a woman, you would just say, "Oh dear i got raped, oh well. i'll just have this baby" no woman would want to deliver a rapists baby.
ThRaX9119 3 years ago
I'll say this one more time because obviously you are illiterate. HAVING AN ABORTION DOESN'T NEGATE THE FACT THAT THE WOMAN WAS RAPED! RAPE DOESN'T MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR JUST BECAUSE THE BABY WAS KILLED! NOT ONLY IS IT THE RAPIST BABY ITS ALSO HER BABY! LESS THAN .03% OF ABORTIONS ARE BECAUSE OF RAPE. WHAT PART AREN'T YOU GETTING?
freejdc1 3 years ago 5
show me where you got that fact from.
ThRaX9119 3 years ago
what fact?
you have internet look it up!
freejdc1 3 years ago
totally agree with ya!
BitchIStoleYourFish 3 years ago
@ThRaX9119 so you judge the baby for the sins of his father? how is that even remotely ok?
Supergirl492 1 year ago
@Supergirl492
I'm Christian, no I do not judge the baby in any sense.
What I'm saying is I would not want to be a woman, having to deliver a rapists baby.
Which is why I think the government should have another more humane way of stopping the cells in the woman's womb from forming into a fetus.
way I see it, if it has a heartbeat, then it is a sin to kill it, I can understand why people get upset over that. I don't believe in abortion, at all. I think there should be another way, that's all.
ThRaX9119 1 year ago
@ThRaX9119
Ok, I understand what you're saying :)
But as a Christian as well, I don't believe humans should have that power or choice. For me, if God wants that life to begin and develop, we shouldn't play any part in stopping that. Idk, I like to believe the baby is God's way of bringing good out of something awful. That's just my opinion though....
Supergirl492 1 year ago
@Supergirl492
Yeah I agree with you on that view, that God has a plan for the child.
I can't really argue with you when you say God taking some good from a bad situation, that's a nice way to put it :)
ThRaX9119 1 year ago
Obama believes women should have a choice, he at no point says should a woman have a choice to kill her child on the conterary he speeks if you listen about how by working together with pro-lifers to try to reduce abortion by providing better medical facilities, and might i just open the eyes for some of you who dont know it, illigal abortions are more common than you think...your just blocking legal safe abortions in favour of dangerous sometimes life threatening illigal abortions
McKMark 3 years ago
Obama doesn't even answer the questions asked!
Pepitax22 3 years ago 2
Or, unless you would rather have 13 year olds finding dangerous ways with coat hangers, and other utensils to do a home abortion? Or have the baby and toss in in the trash? You should all reconsider.
ILurveMySasuke 3 years ago 3
exactly the point
cmessier51 3 years ago
I think you who aren't argeeing with Obama in this specific situation, your all ignorant. They aren't your children, your not a 13 year old about to give up your body for a child you'll probably later on abuse, and not be able to support. Just think to yourselves what you would do if your mother/father told you later on in life they hate you and never wanted you, just couldn't get an abortion thanks to dipshit McCain.
ILurveMySasuke 3 years ago
Well, I'd sure be glad that I was alive to be resented. That certainly sounds preferable to being dead.
As for your statement on ignorance, you don't seem to have a lot of room to talk if you are basing abortion rights for all on the circumstances of a very small minority.
Beskargam 3 years ago
What would have happenend if Barack Obamas mother had abborted him?
bcconley 3 years ago 9
The world would be a MUCH better place.
Pepitax22 3 years ago 2
@bcconley
well she didn't .
cecidoom 1 year ago
@bcconley SHE SHOULD HAVE
BettyB1011 1 year ago
@bcconley She would have made a choice they she has a right to make.
KayoteThunder 1 year ago
@bcconley
what would have happened if Hitler's mother had aborted him?
That's a completely ridiculous line of argument.
(Interestingly, their was a fairly recent radio show in which people phoned in who stated that the wish they'd been aborted)
TimrousBeastie 10 months ago
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wait do they both want abortions illigal?
because if i accadently got a girl preg i would want her to get one
Fruit652 3 years ago
obama believes woman should have the choice to kill the baby which is totally wrong. Mccain belives abortion should be illegal. Mccain voted for the partial-birth abortion ban act. an and opposes having tax ayers pay for funding of abortion. Obama supports the bill the bill (hyde amendment) that makes tax payers used for abortion and he supports the partial birth abortion ban which is simply when in the 5th month the feet are pulled out of the womb and punctures the skill and suctions the brain
cutiepie1993xxx 3 years ago
but why did mccain support abortion before the election??
Alcavexus 3 years ago
Im sorry but I dont think you should kill an unborn baby. You want to save a freaking seal but not a human life? What if that baby would have created the cure for cancer or wht if it was a great musician or composer? What if they cured AIDS?? You never know who you're killing?? Ask yourself this a prostitute is opregnant with her 6th child every child she had so far was deaf or blind or had birth defects should she have an abortion?
You would have killed Beathoven!
sabresforever4861 3 years ago
you're fucking nuts.
adam64897 3 years ago
It's Beethoven, lul
vincelviss 3 years ago
sabresforever4861 or you might abort and have avoided someone like hitler or a mass bomber or a pedophile from having a life too. That is not a logical argument as we can't know from before what that life will be.
izziredhead 3 years ago
if yur pro choice then yur pro abortion
rivercrik 3 years ago
so if not for abortion your not for people having a choice?
Thee0ne1 3 years ago
said like a true, ignorant American
adam64897 3 years ago
which is actually pro death
rivercrik 3 years ago
Haha, watch 00:50 Obama couldn't even answer the question of "what he's done to limit abortion". Btw, look up his voting record. He didn't even vote against partial-birth abortion.
chiefsfanguitar 3 years ago
I agree with Obama 100%
Don't you love that republicans in government are all like stay out of people's lives but with abortion they are so quick to say it's not a womans choice whether or not to keep or carry a child? I'm not for abortion, but i'm am pro-chioce, women should have options.
saraaa1890 3 years ago 4
Actually, nobody is quick to say whether or not a woman should keep her child. Republicans are not a "stay out of people's lives" party. That would be the Libertarian party. The Republican party wants to interfere in private lives but not interfere with their financial lives, whereas the Democrats generally want the opposite.
It's a good thing there aren't just 2 options.
Beskargam 3 years ago
republican foreverr
xoDancr4lifexo 3 years ago
abortion
Fhemmati 3 years ago
" How come when it's us it's an abortion and when it's chicken it's an Omelet? are we better than a chicken?" and Pro-lifes think we should keep the child and raise him but if he happens to be a Doctor when we are in the war we might have to kill him!!!! what the fuck is that they are killing Doctors and Engineers in the war !!!
Fhemmati 3 years ago
What are you talking about?
Beskargam 3 years ago
Ugh when it's chicken then it's KFC.... mmm
g4sy 3 years ago
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I love it. Pro-abortion Negroes. Doing what the KKK could only dream of. Abortion kills 33% of Negro babies & Negroes are only 11% of the population. Do the math. The Negroes will be gone in no time!!
capon33 3 years ago
when people believe in bible's god,even killing live kids becomes moral: Moses was angry with the officers of the army who returned from battle. "Have you allowed all the women to live? They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and turned the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. [Num 31:14-18]
missionarysarahbarry 3 years ago
missionarysarahbarry: Do you know ANY christian that lives their life according to the chronicles contained in Numbers? No you don't. And you can't find any.
The reason for this is simple: we believe that One God has done different things through different people at different times in history. Please take the time to understand how real Christians interpret the Bible!
g4sy 3 years ago
Christians brought slavery to the new world:
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free. [Ephesians 6:5-8]
missionarysarahbarry 3 years ago
A changing God is an inconsistent one that cannot be trusted.
If God is omniscient, then he knows all and has no need to change tactics from being domineering and merciless in the Old Testament to loving and forgiving in the New Testament.
Beskargam 3 years ago
God does not change... if you tell your child he can't have a donut and a coke at 4:30 while your wife is making super, but then after supper if he asks again and you say OK he can have a little junk food, does that mean you're inconsistent? No, providing there is a reasonable explanation for the change. If you write down the reasons in a book and give the book to your child, then you've gone above and beyond in communicating.
You should try reading the book before you say your God is unfair
g4sy 3 years ago
if God is the final arbiter of principles, then yes, any change of his represents a change in principles. Right and wrong do not change, and they are not comparable to not letting someone have a cookie at one point and then later letting them have a cookie. Giving (or not giving) someone a cookie is not a moral decision (unless the person is hypoglycemic).
Beskargam 3 years ago
Is killing someone a moral decision? Yes, but we would both agree it is OK in some circumstances (self-defense, as part of your nation's military (with the authorization of your authorities) or perhaps in retribution for a capital offense (also, need the due process of authority/law)
missionarysarah took a verse in the OT that seems to condone killing, but let me assure you it's not as simple as she makes it out to be and further her argument takes that verse out of context.
g4sy 3 years ago
The thing is, God (at least in the old testament) seems to be much more willing to order death over minor infractions (like stubbornness in children).
I would not regard that as an action worthy of the death penalty, but God clearly did at one point.
Beskargam 3 years ago
well it wasn't stubbornness in children, it was rebellion, but that was because the nation that God designed for the Jews to live in revolved around a strong family unit. I don't think that should be enforced in our nation, and neither does palin or any other bible believer.
That aside, all your telling me is that you disagree with God on a minor point of legislation that a group of people contractually agreed live live by 4k years ago.
And I don't disagree w/God, but I don't think it applies.
g4sy 3 years ago
I see. I had often wondered about that. Is the "shellfish being abominations" also part of that?
Beskargam 3 years ago
Correct. That doesn't apply: it was a rule given to a nation in the desert. But it's not a non-nonsensical rule either: shellfish are bottom feeders so if you eat too much of them you can get too much * (lead, whatever is in high concentration in their bodies). I LOVE all seafood (grew up on the west coast, went to college on the east coast) but I try not to eat clams every day in excess.
The O.T. is more fascinating the more you study it. I'll never know everything about the Bible.
g4sy 3 years ago
Well, for what it's worth, you have convinced me to give Christianity another look. Thank you for the excellent discussion and patience.
Beskargam 3 years ago
Great! Information can't change a person's heart (and true Christianity is a change of heart and a relationship with Jesus), but it can help you get over oppositions to the message of the Bible. I hope you take another long hard look at it! I did when I was 19 years old (started reading I John and Romans over and over) and I can tell you that since I was born again at that time the world has made more sense than ever
g4sy 3 years ago
As for "killing anything with a face is murder", how often do we murder in the pursuit of food? Animals have faces, do they not? Hell, we might as well ban smacking mosquitoes, because those have faces and thus smashing one is murder. Shame on you, you cold-blooded killer!
Pro-choice
ilovekareno 3 years ago
Animals are not human. We kill animals daily, does that mean that killing humans is not bad either?
lordchaos3819 3 years ago
Dont you think that humans have more importance than humans? look at you what if i killed you huh? you think thats ok?
mikeytheaznking 3 years ago
just saying put them up for adoption doesn't solve anything, because realistically there aren't very many families looking to adopt compared to how many kids are born unintended that are put up in foster homes.
Lies. There's not enough children to go around. Shut up if you don't know what you're talking about k bye. thanks.
RadiantCowbells 3 years ago
You are so very wrong.
skinnysociety 3 years ago
and just saying put them up for adoption doesn't solve anything, because realistically there aren't very many families looking to adopt compared to how many kids are born unintended that are put up in foster homes.
airjordan1102 3 years ago
pro choice means women have the choice to have an abortion, and that a licensed professional will do it (unlike when it's illegal where people do it themselves) you know that many crack babies could be prevented through abortion, and before you say, "well, that's murder," you ever think that it could be for the progression of society? people should have a choice if they don't mean to have a pregnancy. and just saying don't have sex doesn't work, people still do it, it's human instinct.
airjordan1102 3 years ago 3
Ok, lets go with that. Then why not give mothers the right to kill born crack babies? Especially before they develop full conciousness? This would also save society so much, give us more money and do all the things you say abortions saves. Why not new born handicapped or very sick? Why drain society on those?
lordchaos3819 3 years ago
Ok, lets go with that. then why don't we criminalize every male for wasting his sperm or using a condom ?
because according to your way of thinking every sperm is potentially a child ?
this is not something i have made up there are some religions like "Assyrian" that condemns married couple having sex if it's not for conceiving a child
davidmgm 3 years ago
Because sperm itself isn't anything, its only a little while after the egg and sperm has merged that the entity and DNA of the child is created.
This is not belief, this is science.
Yes, there are people who believe that sperm is sacred, which is just none sense belief, which has no basis in anything.
lordchaos3819 3 years ago
Life continues from before conception through conception and beyond. The egg is living and the sperm is living. At conception the living egg and the living sperm join and at that point we have a new, individual human being. Accepting the false challenge regarding 'when life begins' is accepting a convenient lie to avoid the truth that life has continued from the beginning until individual death. Abortion is death.
arvstor 3 years ago
Ok sorry, you're being nuts here. Sperm is living, eggs are living, but just like cows, fish and what not, its non-human life.
The human life does not begin until a bit after conception, because thats where the individual human genetic life begins.
Repeat after me, sperm is NOT human life, and to claim so does a HUGE disservice to the pro-life movement (in any form).
lordchaos3819 3 years ago
Ok so say what if you suddenly got really sick. You want your parents to kill you? Look everyone has rights thats one the nation is based on. Your just telling me that if im weaker then i shuold die. What does the money matter anyways you dont carry money with you after you die. Anyways draining society? Its called helping people.
mikeytheaznking 3 years ago
It's also human instinct to love your offspring, and that is realized by so many women every day, who don't get that feeling until after the deed is done. These women then go through excruciating mental trauma and often end up commiting suicide, because they can't stand to wake up every morning and think about what they have done with a human life, way after they know it is too late to take back what hey have done. Abortion causes pain to unsuspecting women every day, and that is very wrong.
andthatisme2011 3 years ago
i'm saying that women can have the choice to have an abortion, not saying that i would force it upon them to have one. if they feel that they want to have the kid then they can feel free to do it, but the choice should be there for them to not have the kid.
airjordan1102 3 years ago
Seriously just took Obama 2 minutes to say "I'm Pro-Choice"
socrjohn 3 years ago
I believe the baby isn't alive until it grows a heart so you can't say your killing a baby when you don't have a heart...My beliefs so you can say what ever you want but I'm pro-choice
jmoneyboy08 3 years ago
An unborn child has a heart beat at 21 days. Very few women know that they are even pregnant at that point.
nancyfohlby 3 years ago
well then thats their fault. first having sex theres 95% chance youll get pregnant ok? get it?
you made the decision to get pregnant and the lv
mikeytheaznking 3 years ago
if people dont want kids they shouldn't have sex if they are raped that isnt the child's fault like stated below but if they dont want it u give it up 4 adoption but make that decision wen the child is born cuz u may love that baby even if it didnt come around in the way u wanted it to
rivercrik 3 years ago
Biased.
saraaa1890 3 years ago
You have such a way with come-backs. I really must appluad you. Very intelligent.
racehorse93 3 years ago
Indeed.
saraaa1890 3 years ago
Abortion is murder. Just because you didn't "want" the baby doesn't mean you can kill it. The sad thing is, is that if we were talking about puppies being killed everyone would say it's wrong! I love animals, but HUMANES have a little bit more value. Don't you think? Rape is sad, but still not the babies fault! In most cases(not ALL) the mother has put herself out there in some way. Once again, NOT THE BABIES FAULT! Americans need to stop treating life as an option! It's a gift!
racehorse93 3 years ago
Racehorse93: "Rape is sad, but still not the babies fault! In most cases(not ALL) the mother has put herself out there in some way."
People like you are the reason most rapes go unreported. You blame the VICTIM. Women who are raped face major guilt and shame issues already without ignorant people assuming that she must have done something to bring it upon herself. A rape victim is as innocent in becoming pregnant as the baby. I'm prolife but this is the most idiotic argument I've ever heard.
PrincessBecca04 3 years ago
Every girl I know that has gotten pregnant did because they had sex. Most of them turn around and say they were raped because they feel guilt. Trust me, I'm not blaming any victim. I am saying that not evry single case was a rape like it's made out to be. People make mistakes and sometimes try to make it out as something else. Understand that I have friends who were vilolated and I feel terible for them.
racehorse93 3 years ago
Then you should just say "I've known cases where girls have gotten pregnant and claimed rape where they weren't". Stating that "rape is sad but...in most cases the mother has put herself out there in some way" and that the baby is the only innocent one is NOT the same thing. You are stating that most rape victims put themselves out there and deserved it and are guilty in some way, not that you've known girls who've cried rape.
PrincessBecca04 3 years ago
I've got to say that I don't appreicate you trying to turn me into a bad guy here. I said that in SOME cases the girl is lieing. I'm not here to waste my time arguing with some kid on youtube. I'm not saying that evey single person claiming rape is lieing, but I said that some are and you need to acknowlegde that too. I'm the last person on earth who would defend a guilty man before an innocent girl. But i think blaming somone who did nothing is wrong too.
racehorse93 3 years ago
I'm not trying to turn you into a bad guy. I only used your own words. I am not "some kid", I am gainfully employed, a college graduate, and an adult female. Your orignal argument was that "Rape is sad but...in most cases the mother has put herself out there in some way". That does not include girls you know who've cried rape and lied, it reads that in most cases of rape the mother put herself out there in some way. If I misunderstood your argument, I apologize, but that is how I read it.
PrincessBecca04 3 years ago
LYING.
Learn to spell.
saraaa1890 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Is that all you've got?
racehorse93 3 years ago
I'm not trying to start anything with you, but if you're going to start an argument, at least sound intelligent.
saraaa1890 3 years ago
I wasn't starting an argument I was posting my opinion. There IS a difference.
racehorse93 3 years ago
Whhhhaaaatttevvvvveeerrrr.
Have a nice day! :]
saraaa1890 3 years ago
you got pwn'd
adam64897 3 years ago
Besides that, if this is your view on rape, I believe that it's entirely possible that the girls you know were telling the truth and you were too blind to believe it. Our society is much more understanding about pregnant unmarried girls than on rape victims. With abortions (unfortunately) so easy to obtain with no one knowing, why in the WORLD would a girl take on the stigma of being a rape victim voluntarily on top of being pregnant? I'm just not sure I understand that one.
PrincessBecca04 3 years ago
I think some girls feel better telling the story that someone did something to them, instead of the truth that they made a mistake. No one wants to admit they did something wrong or stupid. If someone really was raped it's absalutely horrible and they need help. Someone who claims rape but wasn't needs help too. They are obviously hurting inside for different reasons.
racehorse93 3 years ago