Amtrak Employees and LA County Sheriffs Force LA Photographer to Delete Images

[akaknocksville]

what part of private property don`t you understand wetard !!

[parrot0051]

That's the first mistake deleting your photos, there is NO LAW that says you can't take photos of a train station or even passengers. just let them bitch it's people like you who comply with these clueless people that makes it harder for the rest of us photographers, why don't people like you who aren't sure about the law take the time to read up on the laws before you venture out to take photographs ? make it easy for the rest of us.

[THUMPBUMPDUDE]

so how were you FORCED to delete the photos? Just say NO when they ask you to delete them, and don't do it.

[moonoink]

He shoulda brought bert krages' photographers right with him!

[krazzyyo2]

lame ass marines..2 years in the desert because they are plain dumb! use em..disposable men!

[VoodooPolitico]

Private property, open to the public or not, IS STILL private property and the public needs to abide by the "rules/regulations". If they ask somebody to not film/take photographs on their PRIVATE PROPERTY, they have that right. If they ask you to leave for any reason, its their right. But, obviously nobody can force anyone to delete images from a camera.

[tsidow2008]

amtrak police ARE POLICE OFFICERS IN CALIFORNIA

[discarted]

well, its too bad amtrak police weren't involve in this incident. just LA county sheriffs and union station personnel

either way though, law enforcement can't legally force anybody to delete their images. its against the law. they can't even view a person's images without a subpoena or a court order

do some research, learn the laws

[tsidow2008]

BAD NEWS UNION STATION IS PRIVATE PROPERTY open to the public which means if you break the rules you are tresspass

[eyram1]

File a lawsuit for harassment.

[mi6QBranch]

Depending on your camera, there are ways to get back deleted shots. But hell man, Next Time DO NOT DELETE your photo's for anyone except a Judges court order.

[markmills8]

LET'S SETTLE THIS RIGHT NOW!

From the Amtrak website:

Photographers must not trespass on railroad property or on private property adjacent to the railroad. Instead, stay in public access areas, such as stations, sidewalks or parking lots.

The photgrapher was within Amtrak guidelines and not breaking any laws.

ANY QUESTIONS?

[drmonkey1]

Actually its not public. Its a privately owned foundation.

It is owned and operated by Catellus Development Group.

[discarted]

We know that Catellus owns the property, but it's a public space that's been open to the community. The rules change when private property owners do this to their property.

Plus, Amtrak employees are not officers of the law. They have no authority over people whatsoever. By forcing the photographer to delete his photos they violated the 4th Amendment, and violated copyright and intellectual property laws. Cops can't delete your photos either. That's against the law too.

[dablue1]

@discarted

I am curious now...

Does this apply to grocery stores? department stores? and basically any place you can enter and exit for free?

Do private companies have the authority to regulate what can and can't be done on their property even if the public is allowed in?

[VoodooPolitico]

@dablue1 OF COURSE "PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS" have the right to regulate ANYTHING that happens on their property. If they dont like the color of your shows and if they have a "rule" on their books - "no red shoes"...they can ask you to leave. But they cant take your red shoes. PRIVATE. P R I V A T E P R O P E R T Y. Just like your house is "private property". Its pretty simple. They reserve the right to refuse service/entry to ANYONE FOR any REASON. PRIVATE PROPERTY.

[dablue1]

@discarted

I only ask that in my previous comment because I think this falls under semi-public space. They can't restrict anyone from entering but they can regulate what happens within their building or place of business if it is not related to the purpose of the business.

[novapj]

yeah you can't be that stupid to think that LA county/city have never put a penny into that building. all it takes is 1 cent, it's public and therefore "free for all"

[Jasondvg]

Union Station is a 100% public area, I have taken pictures there many times

[mi6QBranch]

Taking Pictures in Union Station in Downtown L.A. is not illegal. You did NOT have to delete those pics. They would have to change the status of the station to even ask that you leave on the premise that they didn't want you taking photo's.

[travelsonic]

"You did NOT have to delete those pics."

Especially since they didn't have a warrant or other legal authority to make him in the first place.

[nelsonrn]

So .... they deleted evidence, eh? Surely you reported them to their superiors, no?

[mi6QBranch]

I hope he did.