Mormon Temples: Mormons Temple alter references

[vikingkidsuknow]

what the music in the background in 0:29 - 1:00

[omiolo]

It is a spiritual experience.

[omiolo]

Elder Quentin L. Cook has served as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints since October 6, 2007.

[omiolo]

Prior to being called to full-time church service, he was a business lawyer, a managing partner of a law firm in the San Francisco Bay area, and a healthcare executive. He has also been a board member of several profit and not-for-profit corporations. He received a B.A. in political science from Utah State University, and a J.D. from Stanford University.

[omiolo]

Kit Ming Lau, a music major from Hong Kong, had a special experience after performing at an elementary school in Taiwan. One song the choir sang was in the Chinese Hakka dialect. A teacher who speaks that dialect met with Sister Lau when the performance was over. The teacher said the song meant a lot to him, and he expressed his gratitude and surprise that the choir included it in their repertoire.

[omiolo]

PROVO, Utah -- The change in direction of the Young Women's program under Ardeth Green Kapp's administration in the early 1980s came from a simple question posed by one of her counselors.

"What do we want to happen?" asked Maren Mourtison.

[omiolo]

Kapp's influence on to Young Women noted at event

[omiolo]

Set in the Panduri Branch meetinghouse, the fireside began with the district president, President Vasile Duro, welcoming the congregation. He was interrupted by a loud knock coming from a side door. Two missionaries appeared as the door opened. They entered with a life-size replica of the Book of Mormon on their backs. After positioning the book near the sacrament table, members of the branch cast as prophets in the Book of Mormon appeared through the front cover that was hinged like a door.

[omiolo]

He concluded his remarks with some advice on marriage. "I know you probably want me to talk about marriage," he said. "That's pretty simple. Just find somebody and get married. That's not a hard thing — just do it! Just remember one other thing in the pursuit of that — that none of you are perfect. You're not going to find the exact perfect person. Don't just hang out. Visit with each other. Go on dates."

[omiolo]

Hellings put particular emphasis on Doctrine and Covenants 131:7, which states, "There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure " He emphasized that the Prophet expressed his learning in his own words -- not those of a future scientist.

[omiolo]

During a presentation at the Mormon Apologetics Conference titled "Joseph Smith and Modern Cosmology," Hellings explored teachings of the Prophet that have "cosmic implications" and analyzed them against the backdrop of science. Using intricate language and complex equations, Hellings detailed the evolving understanding of the universe and how we arrived at an exciting but "very confusing" time in the world of cosmology.

[omiolo]

"In the last 20 years, we have learned so much about the universe that we are now mystified and profoundly confused," Hellings said. " This is no time for anyone to criticize anyone else's beliefs based on what cosmologists know."

That applies to the Mormon Prophet, whom Hellings is convinced knew something about the cosmos and did his best with the language at his disposal.

"There is something there for us to learn about the cosmos by looking at the statements of Joseph Smith" Hellings said

[omiolo]

SANDY, Utah -- When the Big Bang theory emerged around 1930, Joseph Smith's views of the universe didn't look good from a scientific perspective, according to a former NASA physicist.

But times, and the climate of cosmology, have changed.

Ron Hellings, a believing Latter-day Saint who earned a doctorate in physics and spent 25 years as a research scientist at NASA, is well-aware of the contradictions and uncertainty out there.

[LukeAir2008]

Spudulike, Ha ha you are hilarious! "unless they conformed to society's demand for morality" What morality is that? The thousands of prostitutes and brothels operating in New York and the other major cities. You have a very strange idea about public morality. Or can't you spell hypocricy? Is this what your permissive, deceptive spirit lord teaches you?

[omiolo]

Mormon Temples - Ancient temple alter references in Mormonism, Mormon temple.

Mormon Temples: Perspective on Mormon temples by Mormons as well as Catholic, Jewish, and Mormon scholars and leaders.

[Shulamitefire]

The Mormon church administered about $830million dollars in humanitarian aid between 1985 and 2005. (Source: LDS Humanitarian Aid Update Issue 3 - 2006). The Church has been commanding about $9 billion dollars annually in tithes. So clearly the LDS church gives a pittance to ministering to the suffering poor & needy in the world in proportion to its mammon(approx. less than 1% of total income). Temples, eh? Restored gospel? Were the 1st century saints building temples & shopping malls, et al?

[omiolo]

obviously the parts you do NOT use references, you are making up.

or as we call it LYING.

but LYING seems acceptable to your types!

[carlasue88]

2:45 lol so Adam and Eve were Anglo-Saxon eh?

[ecfcman]

Baptizing the dead and wearing religous underwear as a talisman is far from whay Jesus commands us to do.

[LukeAir2008]

In the LDS sense sacred underwear is not worn as a 'talisman' its worn to remind you of promises and covenants made in Holy places. I think when you eventually meet the 'real' Jesus you may be in for a few surprizes!

[Shulamitefire]

Is there any swearing of oaths in conjunction with the wearing of Mormon undies? When did the church come up with the idea? Is it true that woman wear over their bras? What about very hot summer weather? Can they be taken fully off to shower without losing a measure of the Spirit? Are they for sale on the black market or the white delightsome market only?

[1MoNoMo]

I want to ask why it was that Jesus was so pissed at those people in the temple that he physically threw them out? Were they selling UNkosher junk? Was the goat milk sour or unpasturized?--flies deficating too much on the uncovered and unleavened bread? Too unsanitary for Jesus' taste buds?

[marcopolo8765]

They all 3 latter died of frost bite. But that one selfless act alone was enough to guarantee their entry into the celestial kingdom. I am not sure weather or not they had their endowments. But I will check

[1MoNoMo]

Heroic acts are performed all the time by atheists and Muslim and Catholics and JW's and Fruitcakes of all kinds. And for their heroic acts--God bless em one and all! But--it qualifies them for CK entry??

I don't think so. But it can't hurt their chances either.

[JAMaddict]

That suggests that we can do anything to deserve God's love, which we can't. Any good I do is a response to the love I am shown.

God lives within me and there is no where I can go to be further away from Him, and no place I can go to be closer to Him.  I am His temple. Any church I go to is a building, not a vessel.

Psalm 139:6-8 tells us there is NO WHERE we can go that is apart from His presence. I don't need a temple recommend for that.

[JAMaddict]

Gag me. God's Spirit is within us and all around us. You don't have to pay 10% of your income and too much of your time to be "worthy" of being in God's presence.

[marcopolo8765]

No, But it sure does help.

[1MoNoMo]

Hi, marco. Good to see you again.

Is it true that in order to get into the Celestial Kingdom (LDS top-dog glory--sorta the LDS version of MENSA) , you have to have gotten your endowments first?

[marcopolo8765]

I cannot honestly answer that question. I know that there will be people in the Celestial Kingdom who are not Latter day saints and could not have possilbly ever stepped foot inside a temple. Now if you know our docturine that doesn't mean it cant happen post mortum. But having seen what I have. I know without a doubt anything is possible threw Gods will. And I do know for sure about the 3 boys that died on the mormon trial carrying people across strawberry creek.

[Shulamitefire]

Without the cross there would be no resurrection. With the preaching of the cross is the power of God unto salvation. Jesus declares that only wine is symbolic of His shed blood. No wonder the Mormon church is so poor in God's economy! They belittle the blood & the cross of Christ. They replace water for the blood & a trumpet for the cross.

[marcopolo8765]

Did you say poor in Gods economy? Hummmm...... 4th largest church in the US but 1st wealthiest chruch in the US. How is that poor in Gods economy? The LDS church does more for Gods economy and charity in one day than most churchs do in a months. Look it up before you spew out things you know nothing about. It doesnt make you look very smart when say things that are untrue.

[Shulamitefire]

I said God's economy, not the world's. All the difference, indeed. Do you know how many pennies on the dollar from tithe money it spends on temples & shopping malls compared to that which is spent actually ministering to the poor? Persons who know better are not impressed with the glitz.

[marcopolo8765]

to bad your not someone whos knows better? But you will be sooner or later. Satan has tryed for thousands of years to deny Christ. He has failed time and time again. As will you. But don't be ashamed, were all LDs soooner or later most of us just dont realize it yet

[Shulamitefire]

Face it folks, Mormons must pay with money by their mandatory tithing to even set foot inside the Mormon temple made with hands! This is Not God's idea. Ponder the parable of Luke 18 & get the salient sense of what Jesus is saying. And waving a temple recommend in the face of Father supposing to have won his favor is insult to His merciful heart, His glorious grace in Christ, & His power of Holy Spirit. It's precept & practice is man-made religion & masonic meandering.

[rtiffanytaylor]

" Faith is to believe what you do not see:

the reward of this faith

is to see what you believe."

St. Augustine

Yes indeed it is

[rtiffanytaylor]

' The heart feels things

the eye can not see,

and knows what the mind

can not understand."

Robert Vallett

[bennykanny]

What Walt Disney movie is this?

[bennykanny]

Just goofing around:)

[gateway1965]

Benny - For you I think it would be Dumbo for the movie the 8th wonder of the world.

[GMPenguin1991]

why do you always feel the need to quote everything osmilos.

[pangea7777]

I love this!

[osmiolos]

"to feel like he or she is LITERALLY in the presence of God"

and what a great feeling that is!

[praetorkambu]

Amen to that! Can't wait to be there again.

[osmiolos]

"Can't wait to be there again. "

which temple is closest to you?

[JAMaddict]

You don't need to wait for anything to be in God's presence. It is with you all the time.

"7 Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there." (Psalm 139)

You can be with Him anytime, any place. Just ask.

[Shulamitefire]

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God (1Cor. 1:18). But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world (Gal. 6:14).

[JAMaddict]

Not only is it foolishness to them- they mock it. I believe it has been taken out now, but in one of the older versions of the temple ceremony, a protestant minister is "hired" by satan to deceive the masses. He says he will pay him (the minister) well to teach them lies. He mocks him for being a "trained" minister. (Remember, LDS officials have no training!)

Satan asks the minister if he believes the following (in the next post), hinting that it is false doctrine that will lead them astray.

[djwright44]

Yes, Benny Hinn is such a pure and holy man of God!! (Not to mention Jimmy Swaggert and countless others who are close to God with their mouths, but their hearts are far from him!!

[JAMaddict]

Where did I mention Hinn or Swaggert? I didn't. You make yourself look like an ass when you boil all religion down to a few ungodly folks.

At least I don't follow the words of a guy with 30+ wives, some of whom were married to other men when he married them, and at least one who was as young as 14. Prophet, indeed!

[djwright44]

You mocked us for previously having a minister represent Satan in the temple.... just wanted to remind you there are very ungodly ministers who are close to God with their lips, but their hearts are far from Him.

I follow Christ, not Joseph Smith. I accept Joseph as God's prophet of the Restoration and as part of that restoration, God had them engage in polygamy: a practice I don't agree with, but that was also followed by ancient prophets such as Solomon, David and many others in the Bible.

[JAMaddict]

"Do you believe in a God who is without body, parts, or passions; who sits on the top of a topless throne; whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere; who fills the universe, and yet is so small that he can dwell in your heart; who is surrounded by myriads of beings who have been saved by grace, not for any act of theirs, but by His good pleasure."

This, which is the bedrock or our faith, is mocked and considered false by the LDS. And they claim to be Christians?!

[djwright44]

A resurrected, loving and kind Christ is at the centre of the LDS church.

We do find other teachings a bit odd, but I can assure you it is the LDS that are mocked and sworn to hell, simply for not believing in such a cold and unloving description of God such as you have posted.

[JAMaddict]

Cold and unloving?

A God that is so gigantic and majestic, yet chooses to abide in our hearts and make that His throne? That's unloving? And a God that saves us by grace, not by our works? That's unloving?

BTW, that's the BIBLICAL version of God, not the a-hole version that requires magic undies and secret handshakes that the Mo "faith" describes.

Quit drinking the kool-aid, DJ. God is so much bigger, kinder and more loving than you have ever been taught, I guarantee it.

[djwright44]

Yes, as you state below, you believe a God "without passions". The greatest passion of all is love: ergo, your belief in a cold and unloving God.

There is NOTHING Biblical about a God without passions: nothing is further from the truth.

How can you call him loving if he is without passions and is undescribable?

[JAMaddict]

That's YOUR shitty church's definition of my faith, not mine. The part I agree with, and that lines up with THE BIBLE, is that He fills the entire world yet lives inside of me- and that His grace is unconditional.

But sure, go ahead and decide what my beliefs are based on super secret (oops, I mean "Sacred") rituals that were never, ever supposed to be changed, but have been changed more than a few times. Guess Smith wasn't that inspired, was he? Or is it the prophets that are wrong?

[JAMaddict]

I dare you to find Scriptures in the Bible that describe God as a man. Oh wait, you can't. He is unchanging, what He is is what He has always been, according to the Bible, and so if he was once a man, He must still be. Or if He is God now, He always was.

Face it- your BoM contradicts the Bible on many, many accounts. (There is no Heavenly Mother, I'm sad to inform you.) Smith was a liar. The LD$ church is nothing more than a cult and a ponzy scheme.

[djwright44]

Glad to oblige: Ex. 33: 11: And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend......

it can't really get that much clearer: how can someone speak "face to face" if, as you suggest, God has no face or substance???

[JAMaddict]

Ahahaha! But He's GOD. He's still not a man. Even you guys believe that at this point He was already made God.

I'm talking about the doctrine that God was a man just like us and then BECAME a God by being super good. Whether or not God took on physical characteristics to make himself relateable to man isn't the issue. The fact that LD$ doctrine states that God was a man just like us and then became God is blasphemy and unsupported by the Bible.

[djwright44]

And that's why we are not beholden to a single book 2,000 years old, translated multiple times by people with varying viewpoints and opinions. We believe in a living, loving and all powerful God who continues to speak, provide revelation and has his Church restored on the earth with prophets, apostles teaching and helping the Saints prepare for the Second coming of the Savior. There is an open canon of scripture and we invite you to learn of Christ's words and people outside of ancient Israel!

[djwright44]

Easy on the language and the rhetoric!!

I'm not sure how you reconcile your earlier definition of God as having no passions, yet out the other side of your mouth you say he is filled with love.......I'm very, very confused. God can live inside of us through the influence of the Holy Ghost: a member of the God head and who is one in purpose with God and Jesus Christ, leading us to truth and salvation.

not sure why you feel the need to ridicule change

[JAMaddict]

Okay, I'll speak slower for you.

The "Definition" I gave you is a quote from the temple ceremonies before they were changed. (The ones that were super sacred and perfect and should never, ever be changed, per JS's instructions. There have been many changes. So, was JS wrong or were the prophets wrong?)

Anyway- that definition was the mocking def. of my faith by the LD$ church, not MY words. I agree with parts of it- not all of it.

[JAMaddict]

So, in the temple ceremonies, Satan told a protestant minister to say those things in order to lead people astray. The words I used were direct quotes from your temple ceremonies mocking us.

It was not MY definition of my faith- but yours. So I don't have to justify anything to you, b/c I don't, and never have, believe in a God w/o passions. But I do believe in a God who makes my heart His throne, even though He is big enough to fill all of space, who gives grace and works-less salvation.

[djwright44]

As denoted earlier, Benny Hinn and many other pastors do lead people, far, far away from God. You may choose to be offended by that or not, but the fact is, some pastors are just plain evil.

re the 2nd paragraph: sorry, wrong. You may not accept it (glad you don't!!), but that is the accepted def'n of God for the vast majority of Christians over the past 1,000 years.

[JAMaddict]

And Smith was a documented polygamist! He married women still married to other men! He married a 14 year old girl! And, from my side, he lead millions and millions of people away from the real God of the Bible! So, some mormons are just plain evil, too.

As for "vast majority of Christians," what are you? Retarded? Until you have done an exhaustive survey, you'd best avoid statements like that. It makes you look like an ignorant sheep, following your hateful prophets. Oh wait... maybe you are...

[djwright44]

Many Old Testament prophets also practiced polygamy. I think polygamy a terrible practice: one I do not understand, yet the fact remains that it was practiced in Old Testament times.

re your second paragraph: no, that is factual and your name calling isn't really all that necessary here. It's you that needs to do the research of the Nicean creed and it's influence on Christianity to today.

[JAMaddict]

But we're not talking about the OT. We're not even talking about a culture where it was common. We're talking about an old man MARRYING a 14 year old girl, and many women that were already married. (That's polyandry, btw, not polygamy.)

There is so much truth out there about your church, but you have been told that even looking at it is sinful. You're just supposed to accept whatever doesn't make sense on faith. If they had nothing to hide, they could answer their critics, not ignore them.

[djwright44]

I'm not your typical LDS JAM: I'm willing to put my faith on the line: I read and study the critics positions and am always open to learn (name calling aside, I appreciate your input).

Response cont'd...

[djwright44]

It seems then that you accept that polygamy was part of the Old testament....

As for marrying a teenager, it was not uncommon for girls to marry off at 14 or so back in the early-mid 1800s. It was not considered sinful as it would be today.Polyandry was done by a few women who's husbands were not LDS. They held the belief that a temple sealing was required to a faithful holder of the priesthood.

[JAMaddict]

So JS decided it was okay to ignore his own rules and laws about chastity and such as long as it served a higher purpose? Huh. Why not just convert the husbands?

What about the death oaths in the old temple rituals? Proof that the BoA was a sham? Blacks being denied, and then granted, the priesthood? DNA evidence proving the BoM false? BoM blatantly contradicting the Bible? (new revelation should at least be in harmony with old.) I'll never get over the # of contradictions to Christ's church.

[JAMaddict]

Truthfully, this is a conversation I've had a million times with a million sheep. Oh, I mean Mormons. So, go on and keep paying your tithe and doing your secret handshakes. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude.

Peace.

[djwright44]

As have I had the convo many a time....always interesting to hear opinions and persepctive....and quite interesting to learn. Hope you'll take the opportunity to consider an ever revealing God who still speaks to man no different than he did to Moses: Face to Face.

[JAMaddict]

I believe in a God who still reveals Himself to all who ask for it, not just a few old guys. Paul told us to ALL eagerly desire the gift of prophecy. I absolutely hear God's voice- it's what confirmed that JS was a false prophet. I take everything I think that I hear & put it against God's word to make sure it's truth, though. We are deceived in many ways if we do not filter everything through God's ORIGINAL Word. "Knowing in your heart" isn't enough. Fuzzy feelings are easily manufactured.

[djwright44]

There is no proof that the BoM is a sham.

If you accept DNA evidence, then you must accept also a direct and close relationship with apes and monkeys: DNA also "proves" that we share a common gene pool.

New revelation must be in harmony with old????? Wow, I need to call you on that one!! If you truly believe that, then you must toss the teachings of Paul, Matt, Peter et al. Their revelations certainly did not match up with older revelations!!

[JAMaddict]

I didn't say that the BoM was a sham, but that the BoA is. It has been translated by true scholars who say that Smith's "translation" was far from what it really says. If JS was wrong there, where else was he wrong?

The Law of the OT was fulfilled by Christ- keeping with God's character- He was the sacrifice that the OT demanded. God's character and revelation remains unchanged, though.

The BoM directly contradicts the Bible, though. It has many things in direct contrast to God's character.

[JAMaddict]

The NT says that we should not judge or argue over food or drink, that each man should decide for themselves, yet the WoW dictates what you consume. Paul encouraged people to stay single, yet you believe you must be married to get to the CK. BY taught that there are places for blood atonement, that Christ's sacrifice is not enough. Jesus and Satan were not bro's. There are an infinite amount of contradictions from your "new" revelations and the original one. I cannot accept that as truth.

[Shulamitefire]

Smith obviously didn't live during OT & God never did condone nor command polygamy - never! Look at Adam & Eve & Noah & his wife & their son's wives - no plurality of wives there, & if ever the earth needed replenishing that was then. Polygamy was illegal when Smith practiced it. Polygamy by Mormons ceased not because of revelation or repentance, but because Utah was refused statehood unless they conformed, at least outwardly, to society's demand for sexual morality.

[omiolo]

I am sorry you have little to NO understanding of the dealing of God.

God protects His people, and they flourish when they obey Him.

I am sorry you feel the need to fight against God.

[Shulamitefire]

I feel sorry that LDS are possessed by the spirit of Mormonism. An LDS this evening told me that we are not to worship Jesus! Astounding! And then we read Smith's demonic discourse & blasphemous blundering in his Follet sermon & see what this god he describes in the LDS Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith has in common with the eternality & supernality of the One True God. And they claim to be one true church... what a wreck that is.

[djwright44]

Ok: fair enough. Below you had mentioned that the entire def'n was the bedrock of your faith, now you're saying it's not. BTW, that def'n IS the accepted definition of God by Christians worldwide over many, many centuries: it came from the Nicean creed, not LDS doctrine.