@TheOtherAwes0meGuy don't respond to any more of my posts. You're an idiot plain and simple, I've quoted the stats, there's been no better GOAL SCORER or overal hockey player than Wayne Gretzky, this discussion is not open for interpretation, he owns the record, and Lemieux and Bossy are not playing anymore therefore they will never be better than Gretzky. If Crosby can stay healthy, he has the type of skills that may at some point catch The Great One but nobody else on the horizon will.
this list is terrible. if pavel bure makes the list, than peter forsberg, teemu selanne, sergi fedorov, joe sakic are more than qualified for the list as well. these players are all superstars, but howe, dionne, rocket richard, gretzky, lemuiex are legends
And one more thing, for someone who posted about points per game and how Bossey posted .43 points per, "The Great One" posted almost 2 points a game for his entire career! Sorry, NO ONE comes even close to him as the greatest player ever. For the record, as a professional, 1487 Games played, 894 Goals, AND 1963 Assists. He has more assists alone than almost everyone on that lists TOTAL points. Bossey? Seriously? Ludicrous.
@TheChewyWun The guy was not talking about points per game but goals per game. And he made a mistake, Bossy as a 0.762 goals per game ratio not 0.43. And Bossy is the all time first in this categorie, Gretzky has 0.601 ratio.
So Bossy do belong very high on a "best goal scorer" list. He scored more than 50 goals in the first nine of his ten NHL seasons, he was an elite sniper, goal scoring talent like you very rarely see.
@ironmaidenfan6666 Gretzky's goal per game ratio may be lower but tops everything else that you mentioned. he has almost 4 times the number of assists that bossey had as well as almost doubling goals and games played. I'm sorry there's no context that puts bossey at the top of that list, like I said, Lemioux was absolutely number 2 and the only one that came close to Gretzky's skill, it's a shame injuries and cancer stopped his career short. Orr was definitely 3, he revolutionalized a position
@TheChewyWun But why are you talking about assists? It's a top 10 about goal scorers so assists don't really belong in the debate. I do see why people put Gretzky first, but I have my opinion on this and as far as we talk only about goals and not the rest, my top 4 would be exactly the same as this video, The Rocket absolutly deserves his spot. And you are right about Lemieux, it's a shame he got his career cut short as I do think he his the most talented player to ever play the game.
@ironmaidenfan6666 Quite simply there's been nobody that has matched Gretzky, Lemieux or Orr's natural goal scoring ability. If Gretzky had been a puck hog he could have easily converted more of those assists and had 2000 goals, that's why I bring up the assists. To be the greatest ever you have to be able to do it all and actually, Lemieux stats are better than Bossey with goals per game, 915 Games, 690 goals, that's 1.32 goals/gmae, Sorry this list is whacked.
@TheChewyWun 690 goals on 915 games, that's 0.754 goals per game ratio not 1.32... But Lemieux was 1st in goals per game ratio until he came back from retirement. Lemieux is first on my list, and I do think Bossy had the best wrist shot of all time so I put him second. If I had to do a "best hockey player of all time" list though Bossy would not be second.
Ok, I posted too soon after seeing Kurri at 9, you are way out of whack, Bossey ahead of Gretzky, seriously, lay off the glue sniffing, Gretzky 1., Lemioux 2, Bobby Orr 3. The rest of your list is just way off also, but the top 3 are just WAY off.
Sorry, Kurri's not top 10 anywhere, without playing with Gretzky for all those years, he's got 1/2 the stats he has. Gretzky could have played with a highschool kid and gotten him the same stats, that's how amazing "the great one" was.
The facts state Gretzky has by far, had the best hockey career. Don't say Lemieux because there is a few others that have better stats than him. Although, he and others are definitely part of the elite, they aren't THE GREAT ONE!
@ Luminous72... The first fuckup was this guy excluding Howe. Then some shitdick calls me asswipe because that shitheel Bossy who was always hating on Gretzky wasnt rated high enough! GTFO! TDKSAH!
Here is the list for the all time NHL career goal scoring leaders 1 Wayne Gretzky 894 2 Gordie Howe 801 3 Brett Hull 741 4 Marcel Dionne 731 5 Phil Esposito 717 6 Mike Gartner 708 7 Mark Messier 694 8 Steve Yzerman 692 9 Mario Lemieux 690 10 Luc Robitaille 668 This video is misleading in its tile and there is a bias of course. Facts are facts. No one is better than Gretzky. Perhaps if the title said the way they scored goals then that would be different.
@Luminous72 Unless you take the amount of games played into consideration.Bossy scored 573 goals in 752 games played.So throughout his career, he scored at a pace of .43 goals per game (or 43%).Throughout Gartner's career, he scored at a rate of .33g/1gp or 33%. "Rocket" Richard scored .36goals/game.So it's not completely misleading if u choose to take games played into consideration.If you do factor in goals per game then for instance; Guy Lafleur would be in the 10 slot over Robitaille.
@Luminous72 Dude Mario Lemieux is a way better goal scorer in the NHL then wayne Gretzky Dont get mad here is why
Mario Lemieux 915GP 690G
Wayne Gretzky 1478GP 894G
So you can see that Mario Lemieux played less games and could have scored more then The Great One
Wayne Gretzky was a way better assist person then Lemieux but Lemieux was pretty good to this video is just saying who the best Goal scorers were not who played the most games and scored the most
@Luminous72 mario lemieux would have crushed gretzky's records if not for his injury. everyone knows that. just because some one has more goals because they were healthy more doesn't make them a better goal scorer. (not to mention the league basically added a if you hit gretzky it's a penalty rule)
@tankergeddert based on Lemieux's style, ie going through players, injuries were inevitable. He missed plenty of games prior to cancer. One can say if this or that occurred then player x would have Gretzky's records, but at the end of the day, Gretzky still holds the records, and there are no ifs in that statement. For shits & giggles, Lemieux's highest goals per game in a season=1.15; Gretzky's highest = 1.18...his second highest=1.15.
The Other guys didnt do it consistently (for whatever reasons)
Its like the guy You know,always saying "I could've done that" but, NEVER did
On top of goal scoring, He would have more assists than anyone elses combined goals and assists. No one in ANY era has dominated his peers and with points the way He did.
@RagnarsRoughnecks tell me, who else beside rocket and grtzky scored 50 goals in under 50 games ass wipe. Bossy would have more goals as Gretzky if he played more than 10 sesons
gretzky stats : 894 goals 1963 assists 2857 points. until you beat that, hes the best ever. the man scored 92 in one season, and without the beneift of todays rules. and to all those who think gretzky is a puck hog, he had 120 ASSISTS the year he scored 92. your opinion on a player or your like of a player have no bearing on facts. and these are the facts.
@dublinfool25 We're talking about goal scorers here. If Lemieux had been healthy and played as many games as Gretzky he would have smashed Gretzky's total goals. Lemieux is and forever will be the greatest goal scorer in NHL history.
@ovechkin5584 he hasnt been in the league long enuff to be number one..i know alot of people down in DC swing from the guys nutsack, but hes not there yet.
lol, you can't compare Ovechkin to Gretzky! Gretzky dominated the league over a decade while Ovechkin had a couple of good seasons and is now a mediocre player at best. He was a minus 4 last night. You call that great? Ovechkin, like I said 2 years ago, will soon be either traded or he will go play in the KHL. He's lost whatever he had, gone.
@thisisrainerstein Mike Bossy scored 573 goals in the NHL...and all before he turned 31, by which point he was sitting out a season because of a bad back that ended his career.
If this were a list of PLAYMAKERS, you would have a point---but this is a list of pure goal scorers.
As for me, I'd flip #1 and #2. Because Mike Bossy has the second-fewest NHL games played of any player on this list with 752 (only Pavel Bure played fewer, dressing for just 702). 573 goals in 752 games is a lot.
Anyone who can score 200-300 or more goals in a career i wouldn't say underrated, but I would pick guys who had one year wonders like Warren Young with Pittsburgh scored 40 goals with Lemieux, Krushlenyski 43 goals playing with Gretzky, Mclean and Mullen playing with Hawerchuk scoring 40 and 30 goals, McBain scoring 35 goals playing with Hawerchuk. Besides the top players, guys like Claude Lemiuex in playoffs, Nystrom. In the playoffs in OT, Gretzky carrying, the Rocket in the zone shooting
(continued) Goalies are not only better-equipped, they have benefitted from rule changes, and also advances in technique, such as the butterfly style. The separation in skill between role players and stars is much smaller than it used to be. The salary cap means that the worst team in the league can knock off the best on any given night. The final reason Gretzky wouldn't score as before is himself. If he came back in today's game, he'd be up against guys who studied his style and can defend it.
@juzu4me: Beg to differ, Gretzky would have had difficulty netting 70 goals in today's game - even as great as he was. Look, no one loves old-school hockey more than me because that's what I grew up with. However, players today are bigger, stronger and faster than in th 1980s, and there is much mpre parity in the game. Coaching at all levels is tremendously advanced compared to the 1980s and before. Equipment is lighter. Goalies wear bigger and light pads, and have larger gloves (continued)
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Now that I've argued against Gretzky, I'll now argue in his favor. To say Gretzky would have difficulty netting 70 goals today is an unfair comparison. While it's true that today's players are bigger, stronger and faster than those in the 80's due to modern science, medicine and nutrition, then if Gretzky were in his prime today, he should also benefit from this. There are a bunch of players Gretzky's size or smaller today like St. Louis, Stamkos or Nugent-Hopkins doing very well
@GeorgiaBoy1961 ha your comment came out your ass and had no research to back it up. In todays 'ladies' game Gretzky could fly through opposing teams defense and get a dozen more good chances per game. Back in the 80s he had people hooking, tripping, slashing, cross checking and spearing him the whole game and they never got penalties for these infractions. Now they call you for farting. Gretzky might get well over a 100 goals in today's NHL. Do some research idiot, and watch some classic games
@juzu4me The clutching really came in the late 80s early 90s.Gretzky was also always well protected by enforcers. He was never the fastest or strongest player even in the 80s. It was his "mind over matter". He beat faster guys to the puck because he always read the play one step ahead, his hockey sense avoided hits. That said GeorgiaBoy is right - today's average NHL goals-per-game is 6, compared to 8 in the 80s. Gretzky today could still be best scorer (if no Mario),but scoring 90, 80 - no way!
@KeyMasterGateKeeper Nonsense, Gretzky was triple teamed and took a lot of punishment. The enforcers didn't form a bubble around him. And if there are 2 less goals now per game that means that Gretzky (all things being equal) would have scored .1 of a goal less per game, or around 8.2 per season-still a nice total around 85 per season...making him the best offensive weapon in the history of the game. And we haven't even mentioned his assists!
@juzu4me Actually, if you want to do the math right, 8 goals-per-game accounts for BOTH teams in a single game. For one team, that's a drop of 4 gpg to 3 gpg - 25% less. So a 90 goal season in the early 80s would drop to 67.5 goals today. That's one of the reasons it makes Ovechkin's totals pretty impressive, in 2007/08 he netted 65 goals in 82 games. As for defensive systems, I'm on your side that people won't have "the book" on Gretzky, because Wayne was always the one to "write" the book.
@KeyMasterGateKeeper Your lack of education is taking a lead role here. You don't count the goals scored by other teams because Gretzky can only be on one team at a time. Just count the Edmonton goals ok Billy? Now be a good boy and do your homework. That's a good boy. Get back to me when you understand the concept
@juzu4me: Oh, so you are another computer "tough guy" sitting in his mother's basement flaming people and handing out vulgar insults? You want to play that game? Fine. You comments confirm your shoe shoe approximates your IQ, and that not only are you a moron, you are a gutless pussy to boot. A real man doesn't hide behind the keyboard and toss out insults like some foulmouthed schoolchild. I'm done dealing with you...do everyone a favor and leave.
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Lol,I wasn't going to say anything about this "jizon99" douche,but now that you mention it,this keyboard warrior tough guy is either one of 2 things: a young punk kid who was only in diapers and never actually even watched a single Gretzky game when Wayne still played,or a 40 year old total loser still living in his mother's basement jerkin to Gretzky youtube vids at night.Either way, this "edumakated" fucktard's so dense on "maths", can't tell his head from arse nor 99 from -99
@KeyMasterGateKeeper now we both know that I was right. If a team scores 2 less goals today than it did 25 years ago then you take those two goals and divide it by 20 (the number of players on a team that can potentially score a goal) to give you .1 as an anwer. Multiply that .1 times no of games in a season and that will reduce Gretzky's output by 8.2 goals a season today. It's simple math but you obviously don't understand it. Shoulda stayed in school old man
@juzu4me But now I'll show you and everyone else that you wuz dumb... your "maths" considers that all players are considered equal - score exactly the same number of goals and play the exact same ice time each game. But this is not the case. For example, if the Oilers scored 4gpg, the distribution per game is more like Gretzky 1.0, Kurri 0.6, Messier 0.5, Coffey 0.3, etc... so if scoring drops 1 gpg per team, in the Oiler's case Gretzky would drop more like 0.25 per game or 20 per 80-game season
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Sounds like you're being the 'tough guy' now. What would you like to do, book a conference room halfway between my house and your grass hut and have a tete a tete? We both know you're both too poor and cowardly to do that. Have a nice day you brute
OK, how about choices for the most-underrated goal scorers in NHL history, i.e., more obscure guys who managed to do the job anyway? How about all-time most effective scorers in the playoffs? If your team was playing game seven for the Cup, tied in OT, who would you want carrying the puck up the ice or as the guy who gets the puck inside the enemy blue line?
@GeorgiaBoy1961 If you want underrated goal scorers---Brett Hull belongs on the list, as would Marcel Dionne, Luc Robitaille, and Dino Ciccarelli...the first 3 were late draft picks, pick 100 or later, and Ciccarelli was undrafted.
And Coffey was not aged by the time he got to play with Lemieux, he was still the best offensive defenceman in the league then he was only about 26 or 27 years old at the time. Staying healthy is the key, and Gretzky did that. I will stack Gretzky's stats up against anyone. Even during Lemieux's best years he doesn't match up against Gretzky. He's only 4 years younger than Gretzky. Lemieux was amazing but Gretzky was better.
@charliethecolonel Doesn't match up? In his 199 point year Mario missed 4 games, means could have had 209pts, 89goals over 80 games.In the year he had cancer, he had 160 pts, 69 goals in 60 games. In 80 games that would work out to be 213 pts, 92 goals, 2 fewer poiints, but matches Gretzky's best season goals.Mario has only 1 fewer all-start ponts than Wayne despite playing half the allstar games.Mario has higher goals-per-game.After Oilers, Mario ALWAYS beat Wayne in scoring when both uninjured
@charliethecolonel Also, Gretzky's best years were in the early 80s when the NHL had the highest goals-per-game in history,where Mario's was at the onset and pre-cursor to the "dead puck" neutral-zone trap era which included increased grabbing and clutching that even pissed Gretzky off. If you're saying Lemieux is ONLY 4 years younger than Gretzky, well that works against you as well because that suggests without the Oilers, 99 lost the scoring title to Lemieux based on less talent but not age.
@KeyMasterGateKeeper I'm not saying Lemieux was terrible lol. He was amazing too, but you want stats, Regular season, Wayne Gretzky played 1487 games had 2857 points or 1.92 points per game. Playoffs 208 games played 382 points or 1.84 points per game. Regular season, Mario played 915 games 1723 points or 1.88 points per game not as good. Playoffs, Mario played 107 games 172 points or 1.61 points per game again not as good. Forget about what ifs could haves and should haves, hard facts.
@KeyMasterGateKeeper Gretzky only had one year where he didn't get at least a point per game average, his last. Gretzky played during those clutching and grabbing years Lemieux did not, he retired in 1997. Came back 4 years later played 5 years but only played 170 games. Gretzky broke 200 points 4 TIMES and got close once!!! Lemieux never did, got close once. why wasn't anyone else scoring 200 points a year during that time? 65 point lead in 81-82, 72 point lead 82-83, 79 83-84, 73 84-85
@KeyMasterGateKeeper (continued) 74 85-86 (Lemieux 2nd), 75 86-87, Lemiuex 19 point lead on Gretzky 87-88, Lem. 31 point lead on Gretzky 88-89. Then Gretzky won it again. Goal scoring was up during the 80's because of players like Lemieux and Gretzky. Clutching and grabbing started because of those guys. If someone was within 10 or 15 points of Gretzky, you would have an argument, but no one scored like him. Just him. and to think i am arguing for him, ask me that in 84-85 would say no
@charliethecolonel You have some good points. But in 86-87, Lemieux was only a 21 year old and only beginning to realize his full potential. 87-88, although Lemieux won, I'll give this one to you, in that Gretzky was hurt and missed a big chunk of the season. 88-89 was the year that to me, showed their true stats and ability. Mario at 22, Gretzky 27, both in their primes and playing on non-dynasty teams.
@charliethecolonel You should know better than to even mention 90/91, Mario had herniated back,played 26 games - nice try! The unfortunate thing is, they crossed paths in their full primes only 1 season fair and square, so hard to make a full comparison.But based on the simple fact that Gretzky's numbers dramatically dropped on the Kings leads me to believe there's no chance in hell he could have got his crazy numbers without the Oilers.On Kings, 99 still better than everyone else - except Mario
@charliethecolonel But we're talking about goal scoring, and if you want hard cold facts, Gretzky's gpg is 0.601, which is 4th overall trailing Lemieux, Bossy and Pavel Bure. Overall, Lemieux has highest gpg including playoffs, and highest playoff gpg. And you're totally wrong about who played with more clutching/grabbing. The "dead puck" trap era was officially 2000-2004 (lockout). In the late 80's early 90's it was just beginning. Gretzky retired in 1999, Lemieux' comeback started in 2000.
@KeyMasterGateKeeper We were talking about goal scoring, but it went into who was the better player and I say Gretzky and he has the record for the most goals in a year.
@charliethecolonel We'll have to agree to disagree. The way I see it, for Mario to trail Gretzky by a mere 0.04 career ppg despite the undeniable numerous advantages Gretzky had, says a lot. If it was more like 0.5 or even 0.1, I might reconsider. I didn't even bring up how the Oilers won a cup in 89/90 WITHOUT Gretzky. If Lemieux hadn't missed all those games, he'd be the only player to ever score over 1000 goals. It's all a matter of opinions anyways, Gretzky is still amazing and The Greatest.
@KeyMasterGateKeeper LOL, yes, and maybe you're like me and want to get the last word! Lemieux played less games and retired young. Gretzky played until he was 39 where your production drops so you would think his ppg avg. would drop, Lemieux only played 915 games, retired early so you would think his ppg would be higher, but it's not. The best Canada Cup team ever was when Gretzky and Lemieux played on the same team, that I'm sure we have to agree on!
@KeyMasterGateKeeper lol you idiot supreme, you HAVE to assume that each player on the ice is going to score equally because you can't prove othewise LOL. Please don't become a scientist because you'll assume everyone is as stupid as you and try to pull off major hoaxes like global warming and shit like that lol, a nobody like you is trying to discredit the great one while sitting on his fat ass and not having the brains to calculate a simple mathematical equation hahahah
@juzu4me Forget math, science or global warming. If scoring drops 25% from the 80s, EVERYONE'S goal totals shall drop 25% no matter who they are. Gretzky is The Great One, not Superman. Simple as that. Ask anyone. Ask your friends, teachers or parents. Anyways, all the best to you my friend, it was nice chatting with you.
@KeyMasterGateKeeper See this is where your lack of education really really nails you. Everyone's scoring did not go down 25%. Everyone's gpg went down .1, or in Gretzky's case 8.2 goals in a season. And if you factor in the fact that in todays game you can't even fart or you'll get a suspension well Gretzky was held, slashed, high sticked, tripped, slew footed, butt ended, all of the above and if he played in today's game he would have maybe got 150 goals.
@charliethecolonel To say goal scoring in the 80s was up because of Lemieux or Gretzky or even because of the Oilers is laughable. They don't make a dent in the overall stats of the entire NHL in an entire season. Actually, if you want fantastic stats, to some experts the most impressive numbers was the 95/96 season, overall NHL goals was down to 6.2, the lowest pre-trap season gpg, Mario still managed:
70games, 69 goals, 92 assists, 161 points.This would have been a 225pt full season early 80s!
Bobby Hull was the purest goal scorer of all time. He scored 610 goals in the NHL and played 7 years in the WHA where he scored another 303 goals. If he played those years in the NHL, I would bet he'd at least get 250. Wayne Gretzky is the greatest player of all time period no ifs ands or buts. Because he was smaller than Lemieux that makes it even more unbelievable. The Oilers came into the NHL with no one. They were allowed to protect 3 players and a goalie. They drafted well.
@charliethecolonel: Your argument in favor of Bobby Hull is interesting, and has some merit. We disagree about whether Gretzky was the greatest player of all time, however. I think one would have a stronger case for naming him the best scorer or playmaker, than for best over-all player. While durable, Gretzky lacked the physical component of the game Howe, Hull, etc. possessed. He was excellent defensively, but did it with finesse, not toughness or hitting and he didn't relish the corners.
@GeorgiaBoy1961: (Continued) In fact, picking the best all-round player in the history of the game would give you someone very much like Gordie Howe - steady, durable, a scorer, playmayer, tough and liked physical play, intelligent, a leader. He was the prototype NHL player until Bobby Orr came along. I'd probably pick one of these two men if I was building a team from scratch. From the post 1980 era, Mario Lemieux or Mark Messier. I'd take Orr over all of them. He could do it all.
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Because Gretzky was a smaller player makes it even more amazing he did what he could do. He was in a kid's body, playing with men, making these men look like kids. That to me is amazing. If he was smaller and not physical, how would you play against him? Physical of course, but it never worked. He didn't dig in the corners the conventional way, but he did go in the corners and his office was behind the net against the boards. He did it smartly until he got hit from behind
@charliethecolonel: You raise some good points. If I was charged with shutting down Gretzky, I'd detail my highest skill defenders and best skaters against him, and make him dish it off to his teammates. Make them beat you. I'm speculating, of course, but with the higher skill level in the game today, I think there would be guys who could at least limit Gretzky somewhat. He'd definitely get his points, though. You aren't going to deny that superb of a player, just limit the damage.
@charliethecolonel: Another strategy for beating Gretzky would be with a team not unlike the Boston Bruins, high-skill level but big and hard-hitting. Of course, they'd have to catch him first - but look at how the B's handled the Sedin twins last year. The Sedins are not Gretzky, but physically, they resemble Wayne. A high-skill team willing to grind it out could shut WG down, especially after people figured out Wayne's bag of tricks. No player is invincible, not even the Great One.
@GeorgiaBoy1961 I got to see Gretzky live close to 30 or 40 times as I live in Winnipeg. I hated him because they beat my Jets all the time lol. They tried double teaming, he would pass it off and someone else would score. They tried taking away all his passing options, he'd score himself. They tried taking away Coffey rushing the puck, it didn't matter, he scored consistently. They tried taking the body, they could rarely hit him. He was just too good. You couldn't stop him.
@charliethecolonel: That 1980s Oilers squad was a nightmare for an opposing coach, no question. I think Gretzky could have been shut down if you could concentrate only on him, but with that Hall of Fame supporting cast, the Oilers had so many ways of beating you. Very tough. However, a more realistic view can be obtained from his time with the LA Kings, who were a good but not great squad. Wayne couldn't move mountains quite so easily there. He still did a great deal of damage, but not as much.
@GeorgiaBoy1961 The Oilers weren't dominating in 80-81 and he had 164 points. They didn't win their first cup til 84. He took the Kings to the cup final and lost to a team that had the best goaltender in the league and a team that won 10 overtime games in a row. They didn't win the cup because they didn't have the supporting players, but he still dominated. 40 points in the 92-93 playoffs unbelievable!
@charliethecolonel: An interesting what-if type or maybe a research type question for you: looking at Wayne's career, who played him the toughest, both as a team and as an individual? There have been some extraordinarily gifted defensive forwards and defensemen, for example. How did these folks fare against the Great One? It would also be interesting to see an A-B comparison of how Gretz and Mario played against the best defensive specialists.
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Gretzky couldn't be stopped. Dan Bonar did it one playoff round when the Kings upset the Oilers and when Dan coached me anyone who tried to skate through the whole team and not pass the puck, he would always say, "you're not Gretzky!" We all knew what he was getting at.
(continued) in the Canada Cup in I think 1991 and injured his back. Bobby Orr was the best defenceman offensive and defensive ever, no argument there, but as a forward myself I would pick a forward over a defencemen. In this day an age I would pick a goalie over any player defence or forward. That's another thing, goal production would be up if goalies wore the equipment goalies wore before early to mid 90's. They look like michelin men in goal now.
@charliethecolonel: re: "That's another thing, goal production would be up if goalies wore the equipment goalies wore before early to mid 90's. They look like michelin men in goal now." Agreed. The goalies will hate me for saying it, but the pendulum has swung too far their way. Bring back pads, blockers and gloves sized like those pre-1990s. We could trade somewhat smaller gear with allowing defensemen to clear forwards from in the crease, as we used to be able to do in the old days.
@charliethecolonel Like GeorgiaBoy,I think your reverence to Gretzky is too high in saying he's the greatest with no ifs and buts.Its understandable but naive.You can use the size argument to also say it's even more impressive for a big guy like Mario to have the finesse of a smaller 6' player. Oilers came into the NHL with a fast growing bunch of young players who made it to the cup finals and lost to the Islanders in only their 4th year. Gretzky had greatest career, but Lemieux had best talent
(continued) Weighting goals from different eras differently might produce a very different picture than we have now, concerning the greatest scorers. Which was the greater feat? Fifty goals in the original six era, or Gretzky or Mario's most spectacular totals in the 1980s-90s post-expansion era? There may also be a way to weight the caliber of competition a given scorer faced night in and night out, i.e., teams, top lines faced, goalies, etc. as well as other factors. Comments, suggestions?
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Excellent comparison between Gretzky vs Lemieux stats taking into account scoring era, google:
"The Greatest One – Gretzky or Lemieux Comparing NHL All-Time Scoring Stats"
One last thing I want to debunk, and that's the myth about Mario's "great" supporting cast. His best seasons were 87/88, 88/89. Only with aged Paul Coffey, before Stevens, Jagr, Francis, etc. Although sad but true, Mario's peak ended at 22, his cancer / cup days were far from the player he could have been.
(continued) In other words, we're looking at the ability to manufacture scoring chances under less-than-ideal conditions, and then deliver on those chances. Another method of rating scorers might be to weight different era's goals differently. Original six goals might be considered tougher to come by than expansion or 1980s-90s goals, and so on. Hockey stat heads have not yet developed a metric for doing this, that I am aware.
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Since ur talking about ideal and non-ideal conditions, also consider this - not many people know that as a rookie, Gretzky was never officially drafted as the #1 rookie onto the worst NHL team. Instead, he bypassed the 18 age requirement by joining the Indiana Racers on the WHA as a 17 yo. He was traded to the WHA Oilers, which merged with NHL and the rest is history. Mario, on the other hand followed the traditional route - #1 rookie to the 84 Pens, possibly worst NHL team ever!
Actually, there may be another way of looking at pure scoring ability. Gretzky, Lemieux, Esposito, et al. all benefitted from good-to-excellent supporting casts, players who did the dirty work in the corners, fed them passes, and otherwise supported them. Taking nothing away from Gretzky et al., who was the best goal scorer over a career of playing with a weaker supporting cast? One possible candidate: Marcel Dionne, who spent the bulk of his career with the LA Kings. Any others?
@GeorgiaBoy1961 U really need to see this graph - please google: "nhl goals per game graph"
You will notice that apart from the world-war 2 anomaly,Gretzky's highest scoring seasons also coincided with the highest scoring NHL seasons too
I will agree with you,that I'm not taking any away from Wayne.He's a genius and well-deserved "The Great One".However, he also greatly lucked out in playing on the right team in the right era,inflated his already excellent numbers to unreachable stratospheres!
Mike Bossy, based upon per game scoring average, is the best pure scorer in NHL history. Gretzky's totals early in his career were ridiculous, but Bossy's feat of scoring 50 or more goals all those years in a row is my pick for the most impressive. Sort of like comparing Babe Ruth with Lou Gehrig or maybe Hank Aaron. Aaron never hit fifty HRs, but he was machine year after year, consistent excellence. That's what Mike did, til his career was ended by injuries.
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Bossy's gpg is inflated, because he played only 10 years and retired at his peak. If you would have taken Gretzky's or Lemieux's gpg from 18-28 years old, they be be insane and surely pass Bossy.
I think that Gretzky's true stats were truly reflected in his first two years on the Kings, when he was 27-28 or so. They were around the 160pt range. There was no way he could have achieved the godly 200+ pt seasons without the Oilers - still better than everyone else...except Mario...
@KeyMasterGateKeeper: Gatekeeper, there's some truth in your arguments, but I still don't buy that Gretzky was the hands-down greatest scorer of all time. Statistics are only part of the story. We cannnot know what would have happened to Mike Bossy's totals over another decade of playing, for example; they'd probably have fallen or perhaps he'd have had even bigger years before ending his career. As Bossy's totals stand, they are very impressive.
@GeorgiaBoy1961 I'm not sure if I was abundantly clear enough, but we actually see eye-to-eye on one thing - that Gretzky wasn't hands-down the greatest scorer of all time like his stats may suggest.
Not sure if people are aware of this, but after the Oilers, Gretzky scored only ONE 50-goal season for the rest of his career. Mario only trailed Gretzky by 200 goals, entirely took 4 and a half seasons off, that alone would be enough to catch Gretz, but we havent even counted all the injured games
@KeyMasterGateKeeper: We agree on this. Mario lost a great deal of time to injuries and illness, sort of a hockey counterpart to baseball's Ted Williams, who lost all those prime years to being a fighter pilot in two wars. is stats would be comparable or superior to Wayne's if those are factored in. Re: Gretzky post-Oilers stat of only one fifty goal season - I've already seen that. So, who would you pick as your top five scorers all-time? Moreover, who are your picks in addition to WG and ML?
Rocket Richard, because he set the "50 in 50" bar and at his best almost doubled the next best goal scorer.
And yes,Ovechkin,I hate the Caps and prefer Crosby, but Ovie currently has a 0.634 regular season gpg and a playoff gpg only second to Mario.Factor in that back in 80s era, this interpolates to 100 goal seasons!But his career is young and his last year or two hasn't been scoring well?
@KeyMasterGateKeeper: Good list, but IMO, Ovechkin hasn't been around long-enough to merit a place on it.
I'd probably go with Bobby Hull or Phil Esposito or even Marcel Dionne in Ove's place. If we expand the list to ten players, I'd included both Hulls, Brett and Bobby. "The Rocket" definitely belongs due to his "original six" dominance.
@KeyMasterGateKeeper: If I was coaching a Stanley Cup, game seven scenario, and needed a goal scored, I'd probably go with Mario, who was not only a total scoring threat but possessed physicality that Gretzky did not. That's no knock on the Great One, more my bias toward physicality, size and toughness as well as scoring ability.
if ovechkin played back when gretzkey did, he woud have gotton 200 goals a season...the game is totally different today, gretzkey would never have gotton as much as he did now
@ManiacGlitch Gretzky definitely wouldn't be putting up the numbers he did in today's game, but I think saying Ovechkin would put up 200 goals back then is probably a stretch. It's impossible to give a number but the best goal scorers in the game at that time were Gretzky and Bossy and averaging both of their totals they were firing about 65 - 70 goals per. To say Ovechkin would do that x3 is a bit much.
Cant find the idiot on here, but a while back he was trying to tell us that Gretzky would get even more points in today's game. Believe he said 100 goals and 300 points in a season. Tried to tell him that today's game is more systems oriented, the fringe players are bigger/faster so the league is deeper,and goalies are bigger/better. No reasoning. Well Gretzky was just talking about it and said himself that he would not be putting up the same numbers in todays game for the EXACT reasons. Done
maurice richard 4???? i get the 50 in 50 but only MVP the greatesr goal scorer of all time is bobby hull. in around 1450 games he had over 900 goals NHL and WHa
Both Hulls go higher, Bure and Bossey don't belong. Gordie Howe goes on the list. Jagr Gets nixed. Gretzky is #1 Howe #2 and after them you try to figure out which Hull was better. Brett had 741 goals in 18 NHL seasons. Bobby had 610 goals in 16 NHL seasons but he totaled 303 goals in 7 WHA seasons, giving him 913 professional goals. WHA isn't the NHL, but it had a ton of talent. It could be argued that Bobby was better than Brett, it could be argued the other direction. Your list is bad.
@chade1983 your an ideot, who the fuck cares how i spell? what do we look like were in highschool watching these fucking videos, i can spell fuck up, and that means you, dumbass. your name should be chode1983 you mmiddle aged queer who cant get off youtube. hows it feel to know your halfway through your shitty ass life?
@chade1983 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL sounds like a nice life XD watching video games tv or movies XD ahaha get out and do something for one, crist i do more with my fucking life and im in highschool. this kinda shit that im doing right now is what highschool kids are soppoed to be doing, for middle adged men, that have nothing better to do. haha idont want to beak you too bad i alredy feel sorry for you enough ahah
No wonder ppl scored so many goals vak then the goaltenders suck
busquets11 2 days ago
Oops I ment " those kind" of skaters
FighterPilot226 3 days ago
Great song for thaws Kincaid
FighterPilot226 3 days ago
mute
MormonJew 6 days ago
There is a glaring omission from this list. Where the hell is Teemu Selanne?
Nico8912 1 week ago
@TheOtherAwes0meGuy don't respond to any more of my posts. You're an idiot plain and simple, I've quoted the stats, there's been no better GOAL SCORER or overal hockey player than Wayne Gretzky, this discussion is not open for interpretation, he owns the record, and Lemieux and Bossy are not playing anymore therefore they will never be better than Gretzky. If Crosby can stay healthy, he has the type of skills that may at some point catch The Great One but nobody else on the horizon will.
TheChewyWun 1 week ago
this list is terrible. if pavel bure makes the list, than peter forsberg, teemu selanne, sergi fedorov, joe sakic are more than qualified for the list as well. these players are all superstars, but howe, dionne, rocket richard, gretzky, lemuiex are legends
BlindSoul96 1 week ago
No Selänne :/
J4n1 1 week ago
how the hell does bossy beat mr. hockey or gretzky?
hockeygoalie771 2 weeks ago
How the Hell is #99 3rd??!!!!!
ewoe21 2 weeks ago
BEST HOCKEY PLAYER OF ALL TIME: SIDNEY CROSBY
TheMysterystalker 2 weeks ago
@TheMysterystalker and he is such a pussy.come on he just cries and hurts him(or should i say her)self
juhotheonehanded 2 weeks ago
And one more thing, for someone who posted about points per game and how Bossey posted .43 points per, "The Great One" posted almost 2 points a game for his entire career! Sorry, NO ONE comes even close to him as the greatest player ever. For the record, as a professional, 1487 Games played, 894 Goals, AND 1963 Assists. He has more assists alone than almost everyone on that lists TOTAL points. Bossey? Seriously? Ludicrous.
TheChewyWun 3 weeks ago
@TheChewyWun The guy was not talking about points per game but goals per game. And he made a mistake, Bossy as a 0.762 goals per game ratio not 0.43. And Bossy is the all time first in this categorie, Gretzky has 0.601 ratio.
So Bossy do belong very high on a "best goal scorer" list. He scored more than 50 goals in the first nine of his ten NHL seasons, he was an elite sniper, goal scoring talent like you very rarely see.
ironmaidenfan6666 3 weeks ago
@ironmaidenfan6666 Gretzky's goal per game ratio may be lower but tops everything else that you mentioned. he has almost 4 times the number of assists that bossey had as well as almost doubling goals and games played. I'm sorry there's no context that puts bossey at the top of that list, like I said, Lemioux was absolutely number 2 and the only one that came close to Gretzky's skill, it's a shame injuries and cancer stopped his career short. Orr was definitely 3, he revolutionalized a position
TheChewyWun 3 weeks ago
@TheChewyWun But why are you talking about assists? It's a top 10 about goal scorers so assists don't really belong in the debate. I do see why people put Gretzky first, but I have my opinion on this and as far as we talk only about goals and not the rest, my top 4 would be exactly the same as this video, The Rocket absolutly deserves his spot. And you are right about Lemieux, it's a shame he got his career cut short as I do think he his the most talented player to ever play the game.
ironmaidenfan6666 3 weeks ago
@ironmaidenfan6666 Quite simply there's been nobody that has matched Gretzky, Lemieux or Orr's natural goal scoring ability. If Gretzky had been a puck hog he could have easily converted more of those assists and had 2000 goals, that's why I bring up the assists. To be the greatest ever you have to be able to do it all and actually, Lemieux stats are better than Bossey with goals per game, 915 Games, 690 goals, that's 1.32 goals/gmae, Sorry this list is whacked.
TheChewyWun 3 weeks ago
@TheChewyWun 690 goals on 915 games, that's 0.754 goals per game ratio not 1.32... But Lemieux was 1st in goals per game ratio until he came back from retirement. Lemieux is first on my list, and I do think Bossy had the best wrist shot of all time so I put him second. If I had to do a "best hockey player of all time" list though Bossy would not be second.
ironmaidenfan6666 3 weeks ago
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TheOtherAwes0meGuy 1 week ago
Ok, I posted too soon after seeing Kurri at 9, you are way out of whack, Bossey ahead of Gretzky, seriously, lay off the glue sniffing, Gretzky 1., Lemioux 2, Bobby Orr 3. The rest of your list is just way off also, but the top 3 are just WAY off.
TheChewyWun 3 weeks ago
Sorry, Kurri's not top 10 anywhere, without playing with Gretzky for all those years, he's got 1/2 the stats he has. Gretzky could have played with a highschool kid and gotten him the same stats, that's how amazing "the great one" was.
TheChewyWun 3 weeks ago
Gretzky had more goals
TheDominic126 3 weeks ago
Gretzky:1 lemiux:2 kurri:3 jagr:4 bure:5
SaipaE00 3 weeks ago
The facts state Gretzky has by far, had the best hockey career. Don't say Lemieux because there is a few others that have better stats than him. Although, he and others are definitely part of the elite, they aren't THE GREAT ONE!
UProwler73 4 weeks ago
is number 1 the very best of the rest?
marc25canucks 1 month ago
Bure is in the top 5 most pure goal scorers ever.
Cjsrockmusic 1 month ago
this needs howe and orr
IITaKeNoTeSo 1 month ago
@Luminous72 For the record Wayne Gretzky said that Mario Lemieux was the most skilled hockey player.
comarus13 1 month ago
bossy? #2?
giacoman217 1 month ago
You forgot selänne
Juzze1983 1 month ago
Kurri and Jagr !!!
BeeHive001seznamcz 1 month ago
@ Luminous72... The first fuckup was this guy excluding Howe. Then some shitdick calls me asswipe because that shitheel Bossy who was always hating on Gretzky wasnt rated high enough! GTFO! TDKSAH!
RagnarsRoughnecks 1 month ago 3
Luminous72 1 month ago 7
@Luminous72 this should be most skiller goal scorers
ooKn1GhToo 1 month ago
@Luminous72 Unless you take the amount of games played into consideration.Bossy scored 573 goals in 752 games played.So throughout his career, he scored at a pace of .43 goals per game (or 43%).Throughout Gartner's career, he scored at a rate of .33g/1gp or 33%. "Rocket" Richard scored .36goals/game.So it's not completely misleading if u choose to take games played into consideration.If you do factor in goals per game then for instance; Guy Lafleur would be in the 10 slot over Robitaille.
pnpny04 3 weeks ago
@Luminous72 Dude Mario Lemieux is a way better goal scorer in the NHL then wayne Gretzky Dont get mad here is why
Mario Lemieux 915GP 690G
Wayne Gretzky 1478GP 894G
So you can see that Mario Lemieux played less games and could have scored more then The Great One
Wayne Gretzky was a way better assist person then Lemieux but Lemieux was pretty good to this video is just saying who the best Goal scorers were not who played the most games and scored the most
This Video is not misleading U R
TheOtherAwes0meGuy 1 week ago
@Luminous72 mario lemieux would have crushed gretzky's records if not for his injury. everyone knows that. just because some one has more goals because they were healthy more doesn't make them a better goal scorer. (not to mention the league basically added a if you hit gretzky it's a penalty rule)
tankergeddert 2 days ago
@tankergeddert based on Lemieux's style, ie going through players, injuries were inevitable. He missed plenty of games prior to cancer. One can say if this or that occurred then player x would have Gretzky's records, but at the end of the day, Gretzky still holds the records, and there are no ifs in that statement. For shits & giggles, Lemieux's highest goals per game in a season=1.15; Gretzky's highest = 1.18...his second highest=1.15.
hellonicetomeetyou 2 days ago
#66 should be #1. Its really a no brainer IMO. True hockey fans know this PERIOD!!
thehonzie1 1 month ago
GO KURRI!
K1ps1 1 month ago
Cry, you little punk bitch. Cry your jealousy away. That make you feel better? Fucking cheesedick. Your mom called and said its time to breastfeed...
RagnarsRoughnecks 1 month ago
@RagnarsRoughnecks
You roughnecks have a knack for colorful language. Are you mad?
falang78 1 month ago
Imagine gretzky with the Sedins on one line.
ShankYouKindly 1 month ago
@ShankYouKindly
Imagine the Sedins had heart.
falang78 1 month ago
except that would be impossible.. henrik and gretzky are both centers :( kurri and the sedins would have been possible.. and amazing lol
Amoostoons 4 weeks ago
Kurri 1
Gretzky 2
Jagr 3
Lemieux 4
Howe 5
Bobby Hull 6
Bossy 7
Brett Hull 8
Orr 9
Richard 10
BeeHive001seznamcz 1 month ago
Gretzky 1
Lemieux2
Richard 3
Bossy 4
Howe 5
Brett hull 6
Bobby hull 7
Kurri 8
Jagr 9
Orr
gohabsgo203 1 month ago
kurri is number 1!
BeeHive001seznamcz 1 month ago
Gretzky #1
The Other guys didnt do it consistently (for whatever reasons)
Its like the guy You know,always saying "I could've done that" but, NEVER did
On top of goal scoring, He would have more assists than anyone elses combined goals and assists. No one in ANY era has dominated his peers and with points the way He did.
ballisticsports 1 month ago
where's orr ? hes better than half these little schoolgirls
mcvet91 2 months ago
@HowRidiculouz idiot!
sampson3121 2 months ago
Bossy before the Gretz?
wow!!!!
sampson3121 2 months ago
The guy with the most goals in a season and career should be #1.
dvskid 2 months ago
@evilTaker90 ya bossy too if he didn't end at 30
baseballkidmw2 2 months ago
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greenblacfuldude 2 months ago
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MrGumbyg 2 months ago
wheres Boobby Orr you suck Boobby orr knew how to play hockey i bet u dont know how to play
mrFlynnie7 2 months ago
Gretzky will always be number one Lemieux should have been number 3
ry4n98654 2 months ago
@dublinfool25 what idiot thinks gretzky is a puck hog, stats wise he is the best hockey player to ever live, ur awesome dublinfool25
smashinhoops 2 months ago
I wouldn't have Bossy in the top 5, but cool vid, otherwise. Unique song selection, good goals, etc... BUT WHERE THE FUCK IS GORDIE FUCKING HOWE?
RagnarsRoughnecks 2 months ago
@RagnarsRoughnecks tell me, who else beside rocket and grtzky scored 50 goals in under 50 games ass wipe. Bossy would have more goals as Gretzky if he played more than 10 sesons
MrCrazyak47 1 month ago
I would've put Gretzky first
SpartanBernaz 2 months ago
go greszky
5HockeyPucks 2 months ago
nice
5HockeyPucks 2 months ago
gretzky stats : 894 goals 1963 assists 2857 points. until you beat that, hes the best ever. the man scored 92 in one season, and without the beneift of todays rules. and to all those who think gretzky is a puck hog, he had 120 ASSISTS the year he scored 92. your opinion on a player or your like of a player have no bearing on facts. and these are the facts.
dublinfool25 2 months ago
@dublinfool25 Here's a fact too: Lemieux would have crushed Gretzky's season record for most points if he didnt had the cancer
evilTaker90 2 months ago
@evilTaker90 maybe, but things being what they are, he didnt.
dublinfool25 2 months ago
@dublinfool25 We're talking about goal scorers here. If Lemieux had been healthy and played as many games as Gretzky he would have smashed Gretzky's total goals. Lemieux is and forever will be the greatest goal scorer in NHL history.
SonnyA89 2 months ago
Mike Bossy would be #1 if the list was about the most fragile players to ever lace up skates.
dublinfool25 2 months ago
WRONG OVI 1ST
ovechkin5584 2 months ago
@ovechkin5584 he hasnt been in the league long enuff to be number one..i know alot of people down in DC swing from the guys nutsack, but hes not there yet.
dublinfool25 2 months ago
@AEMoreira81 k makes sense :)
thisisrainerstein 2 months ago
lol, you can't compare Ovechkin to Gretzky! Gretzky dominated the league over a decade while Ovechkin had a couple of good seasons and is now a mediocre player at best. He was a minus 4 last night. You call that great? Ovechkin, like I said 2 years ago, will soon be either traded or he will go play in the KHL. He's lost whatever he had, gone.
juzu4me 2 months ago
@Puckpassion What? Mike Bossy (who's that) is above the Great One? I beg to differ idk who Mike Bossy even is!
thisisrainerstein 2 months ago
@thisisrainerstein Mike Bossy scored 573 goals in the NHL...and all before he turned 31, by which point he was sitting out a season because of a bad back that ended his career.
If this were a list of PLAYMAKERS, you would have a point---but this is a list of pure goal scorers.
As for me, I'd flip #1 and #2. Because Mike Bossy has the second-fewest NHL games played of any player on this list with 752 (only Pavel Bure played fewer, dressing for just 702). 573 goals in 752 games is a lot.
AEMoreira81 2 months ago
Anyone who can score 200-300 or more goals in a career i wouldn't say underrated, but I would pick guys who had one year wonders like Warren Young with Pittsburgh scored 40 goals with Lemieux, Krushlenyski 43 goals playing with Gretzky, Mclean and Mullen playing with Hawerchuk scoring 40 and 30 goals, McBain scoring 35 goals playing with Hawerchuk. Besides the top players, guys like Claude Lemiuex in playoffs, Nystrom. In the playoffs in OT, Gretzky carrying, the Rocket in the zone shooting
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
(continued) Goalies are not only better-equipped, they have benefitted from rule changes, and also advances in technique, such as the butterfly style. The separation in skill between role players and stars is much smaller than it used to be. The salary cap means that the worst team in the league can knock off the best on any given night. The final reason Gretzky wouldn't score as before is himself. If he came back in today's game, he'd be up against guys who studied his style and can defend it.
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@juzu4me: Beg to differ, Gretzky would have had difficulty netting 70 goals in today's game - even as great as he was. Look, no one loves old-school hockey more than me because that's what I grew up with. However, players today are bigger, stronger and faster than in th 1980s, and there is much mpre parity in the game. Coaching at all levels is tremendously advanced compared to the 1980s and before. Equipment is lighter. Goalies wear bigger and light pads, and have larger gloves (continued)
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Now that I've argued against Gretzky, I'll now argue in his favor. To say Gretzky would have difficulty netting 70 goals today is an unfair comparison. While it's true that today's players are bigger, stronger and faster than those in the 80's due to modern science, medicine and nutrition, then if Gretzky were in his prime today, he should also benefit from this. There are a bunch of players Gretzky's size or smaller today like St. Louis, Stamkos or Nugent-Hopkins doing very well
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 ha your comment came out your ass and had no research to back it up. In todays 'ladies' game Gretzky could fly through opposing teams defense and get a dozen more good chances per game. Back in the 80s he had people hooking, tripping, slashing, cross checking and spearing him the whole game and they never got penalties for these infractions. Now they call you for farting. Gretzky might get well over a 100 goals in today's NHL. Do some research idiot, and watch some classic games
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me The clutching really came in the late 80s early 90s.Gretzky was also always well protected by enforcers. He was never the fastest or strongest player even in the 80s. It was his "mind over matter". He beat faster guys to the puck because he always read the play one step ahead, his hockey sense avoided hits. That said GeorgiaBoy is right - today's average NHL goals-per-game is 6, compared to 8 in the 80s. Gretzky today could still be best scorer (if no Mario),but scoring 90, 80 - no way!
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper Nonsense, Gretzky was triple teamed and took a lot of punishment. The enforcers didn't form a bubble around him. And if there are 2 less goals now per game that means that Gretzky (all things being equal) would have scored .1 of a goal less per game, or around 8.2 per season-still a nice total around 85 per season...making him the best offensive weapon in the history of the game. And we haven't even mentioned his assists!
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me Actually, if you want to do the math right, 8 goals-per-game accounts for BOTH teams in a single game. For one team, that's a drop of 4 gpg to 3 gpg - 25% less. So a 90 goal season in the early 80s would drop to 67.5 goals today. That's one of the reasons it makes Ovechkin's totals pretty impressive, in 2007/08 he netted 65 goals in 82 games. As for defensive systems, I'm on your side that people won't have "the book" on Gretzky, because Wayne was always the one to "write" the book.
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper Your lack of education is taking a lead role here. You don't count the goals scored by other teams because Gretzky can only be on one team at a time. Just count the Edmonton goals ok Billy? Now be a good boy and do your homework. That's a good boy. Get back to me when you understand the concept
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me: Oh, so you are another computer "tough guy" sitting in his mother's basement flaming people and handing out vulgar insults? You want to play that game? Fine. You comments confirm your shoe shoe approximates your IQ, and that not only are you a moron, you are a gutless pussy to boot. A real man doesn't hide behind the keyboard and toss out insults like some foulmouthed schoolchild. I'm done dealing with you...do everyone a favor and leave.
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Lol,I wasn't going to say anything about this "jizon99" douche,but now that you mention it,this keyboard warrior tough guy is either one of 2 things: a young punk kid who was only in diapers and never actually even watched a single Gretzky game when Wayne still played,or a 40 year old total loser still living in his mother's basement jerkin to Gretzky youtube vids at night.Either way, this "edumakated" fucktard's so dense on "maths", can't tell his head from arse nor 99 from -99
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper now we both know that I was right. If a team scores 2 less goals today than it did 25 years ago then you take those two goals and divide it by 20 (the number of players on a team that can potentially score a goal) to give you .1 as an anwer. Multiply that .1 times no of games in a season and that will reduce Gretzky's output by 8.2 goals a season today. It's simple math but you obviously don't understand it. Shoulda stayed in school old man
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me But now I'll show you and everyone else that you wuz dumb... your "maths" considers that all players are considered equal - score exactly the same number of goals and play the exact same ice time each game. But this is not the case. For example, if the Oilers scored 4gpg, the distribution per game is more like Gretzky 1.0, Kurri 0.6, Messier 0.5, Coffey 0.3, etc... so if scoring drops 1 gpg per team, in the Oiler's case Gretzky would drop more like 0.25 per game or 20 per 80-game season
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Sounds like you're being the 'tough guy' now. What would you like to do, book a conference room halfway between my house and your grass hut and have a tete a tete? We both know you're both too poor and cowardly to do that. Have a nice day you brute
juzu4me 2 months ago
OK, how about choices for the most-underrated goal scorers in NHL history, i.e., more obscure guys who managed to do the job anyway? How about all-time most effective scorers in the playoffs? If your team was playing game seven for the Cup, tied in OT, who would you want carrying the puck up the ice or as the guy who gets the puck inside the enemy blue line?
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 If you want underrated goal scorers---Brett Hull belongs on the list, as would Marcel Dionne, Luc Robitaille, and Dino Ciccarelli...the first 3 were late draft picks, pick 100 or later, and Ciccarelli was undrafted.
AEMoreira81 2 months ago
And Coffey was not aged by the time he got to play with Lemieux, he was still the best offensive defenceman in the league then he was only about 26 or 27 years old at the time. Staying healthy is the key, and Gretzky did that. I will stack Gretzky's stats up against anyone. Even during Lemieux's best years he doesn't match up against Gretzky. He's only 4 years younger than Gretzky. Lemieux was amazing but Gretzky was better.
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel Doesn't match up? In his 199 point year Mario missed 4 games, means could have had 209pts, 89goals over 80 games.In the year he had cancer, he had 160 pts, 69 goals in 60 games. In 80 games that would work out to be 213 pts, 92 goals, 2 fewer poiints, but matches Gretzky's best season goals.Mario has only 1 fewer all-start ponts than Wayne despite playing half the allstar games.Mario has higher goals-per-game.After Oilers, Mario ALWAYS beat Wayne in scoring when both uninjured
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel Also, Gretzky's best years were in the early 80s when the NHL had the highest goals-per-game in history,where Mario's was at the onset and pre-cursor to the "dead puck" neutral-zone trap era which included increased grabbing and clutching that even pissed Gretzky off. If you're saying Lemieux is ONLY 4 years younger than Gretzky, well that works against you as well because that suggests without the Oilers, 99 lost the scoring title to Lemieux based on less talent but not age.
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper I'm not saying Lemieux was terrible lol. He was amazing too, but you want stats, Regular season, Wayne Gretzky played 1487 games had 2857 points or 1.92 points per game. Playoffs 208 games played 382 points or 1.84 points per game. Regular season, Mario played 915 games 1723 points or 1.88 points per game not as good. Playoffs, Mario played 107 games 172 points or 1.61 points per game again not as good. Forget about what ifs could haves and should haves, hard facts.
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper Gretzky only had one year where he didn't get at least a point per game average, his last. Gretzky played during those clutching and grabbing years Lemieux did not, he retired in 1997. Came back 4 years later played 5 years but only played 170 games. Gretzky broke 200 points 4 TIMES and got close once!!! Lemieux never did, got close once. why wasn't anyone else scoring 200 points a year during that time? 65 point lead in 81-82, 72 point lead 82-83, 79 83-84, 73 84-85
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper (continued) 74 85-86 (Lemieux 2nd), 75 86-87, Lemiuex 19 point lead on Gretzky 87-88, Lem. 31 point lead on Gretzky 88-89. Then Gretzky won it again. Goal scoring was up during the 80's because of players like Lemieux and Gretzky. Clutching and grabbing started because of those guys. If someone was within 10 or 15 points of Gretzky, you would have an argument, but no one scored like him. Just him. and to think i am arguing for him, ask me that in 84-85 would say no
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel You have some good points. But in 86-87, Lemieux was only a 21 year old and only beginning to realize his full potential. 87-88, although Lemieux won, I'll give this one to you, in that Gretzky was hurt and missed a big chunk of the season. 88-89 was the year that to me, showed their true stats and ability. Mario at 22, Gretzky 27, both in their primes and playing on non-dynasty teams.
Lemieux 76 85 114 199
Gretzky 78 54 114 168
Mario won even playing two games less
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper When Gretzky was 22 1981-82 and on a non dynasty team he scored 212 points.
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel You should know better than to even mention 90/91, Mario had herniated back,played 26 games - nice try! The unfortunate thing is, they crossed paths in their full primes only 1 season fair and square, so hard to make a full comparison.But based on the simple fact that Gretzky's numbers dramatically dropped on the Kings leads me to believe there's no chance in hell he could have got his crazy numbers without the Oilers.On Kings, 99 still better than everyone else - except Mario
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel But we're talking about goal scoring, and if you want hard cold facts, Gretzky's gpg is 0.601, which is 4th overall trailing Lemieux, Bossy and Pavel Bure. Overall, Lemieux has highest gpg including playoffs, and highest playoff gpg. And you're totally wrong about who played with more clutching/grabbing. The "dead puck" trap era was officially 2000-2004 (lockout). In the late 80's early 90's it was just beginning. Gretzky retired in 1999, Lemieux' comeback started in 2000.
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper We were talking about goal scoring, but it went into who was the better player and I say Gretzky and he has the record for the most goals in a year.
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel We'll have to agree to disagree. The way I see it, for Mario to trail Gretzky by a mere 0.04 career ppg despite the undeniable numerous advantages Gretzky had, says a lot. If it was more like 0.5 or even 0.1, I might reconsider. I didn't even bring up how the Oilers won a cup in 89/90 WITHOUT Gretzky. If Lemieux hadn't missed all those games, he'd be the only player to ever score over 1000 goals. It's all a matter of opinions anyways, Gretzky is still amazing and The Greatest.
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper LOL, yes, and maybe you're like me and want to get the last word! Lemieux played less games and retired young. Gretzky played until he was 39 where your production drops so you would think his ppg avg. would drop, Lemieux only played 915 games, retired early so you would think his ppg would be higher, but it's not. The best Canada Cup team ever was when Gretzky and Lemieux played on the same team, that I'm sure we have to agree on!
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper lol you idiot supreme, you HAVE to assume that each player on the ice is going to score equally because you can't prove othewise LOL. Please don't become a scientist because you'll assume everyone is as stupid as you and try to pull off major hoaxes like global warming and shit like that lol, a nobody like you is trying to discredit the great one while sitting on his fat ass and not having the brains to calculate a simple mathematical equation hahahah
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me Forget math, science or global warming. If scoring drops 25% from the 80s, EVERYONE'S goal totals shall drop 25% no matter who they are. Gretzky is The Great One, not Superman. Simple as that. Ask anyone. Ask your friends, teachers or parents. Anyways, all the best to you my friend, it was nice chatting with you.
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper See this is where your lack of education really really nails you. Everyone's scoring did not go down 25%. Everyone's gpg went down .1, or in Gretzky's case 8.2 goals in a season. And if you factor in the fact that in todays game you can't even fart or you'll get a suspension well Gretzky was held, slashed, high sticked, tripped, slew footed, butt ended, all of the above and if he played in today's game he would have maybe got 150 goals.
juzu4me 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel To say goal scoring in the 80s was up because of Lemieux or Gretzky or even because of the Oilers is laughable. They don't make a dent in the overall stats of the entire NHL in an entire season. Actually, if you want fantastic stats, to some experts the most impressive numbers was the 95/96 season, overall NHL goals was down to 6.2, the lowest pre-trap season gpg, Mario still managed:
70games, 69 goals, 92 assists, 161 points.This would have been a 225pt full season early 80s!
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
Bobby Hull was the purest goal scorer of all time. He scored 610 goals in the NHL and played 7 years in the WHA where he scored another 303 goals. If he played those years in the NHL, I would bet he'd at least get 250. Wayne Gretzky is the greatest player of all time period no ifs ands or buts. Because he was smaller than Lemieux that makes it even more unbelievable. The Oilers came into the NHL with no one. They were allowed to protect 3 players and a goalie. They drafted well.
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel: Your argument in favor of Bobby Hull is interesting, and has some merit. We disagree about whether Gretzky was the greatest player of all time, however. I think one would have a stronger case for naming him the best scorer or playmaker, than for best over-all player. While durable, Gretzky lacked the physical component of the game Howe, Hull, etc. possessed. He was excellent defensively, but did it with finesse, not toughness or hitting and he didn't relish the corners.
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961: (Continued) In fact, picking the best all-round player in the history of the game would give you someone very much like Gordie Howe - steady, durable, a scorer, playmayer, tough and liked physical play, intelligent, a leader. He was the prototype NHL player until Bobby Orr came along. I'd probably pick one of these two men if I was building a team from scratch. From the post 1980 era, Mario Lemieux or Mark Messier. I'd take Orr over all of them. He could do it all.
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Because Gretzky was a smaller player makes it even more amazing he did what he could do. He was in a kid's body, playing with men, making these men look like kids. That to me is amazing. If he was smaller and not physical, how would you play against him? Physical of course, but it never worked. He didn't dig in the corners the conventional way, but he did go in the corners and his office was behind the net against the boards. He did it smartly until he got hit from behind
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel: You raise some good points. If I was charged with shutting down Gretzky, I'd detail my highest skill defenders and best skaters against him, and make him dish it off to his teammates. Make them beat you. I'm speculating, of course, but with the higher skill level in the game today, I think there would be guys who could at least limit Gretzky somewhat. He'd definitely get his points, though. You aren't going to deny that superb of a player, just limit the damage.
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel: Another strategy for beating Gretzky would be with a team not unlike the Boston Bruins, high-skill level but big and hard-hitting. Of course, they'd have to catch him first - but look at how the B's handled the Sedin twins last year. The Sedins are not Gretzky, but physically, they resemble Wayne. A high-skill team willing to grind it out could shut WG down, especially after people figured out Wayne's bag of tricks. No player is invincible, not even the Great One.
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 I got to see Gretzky live close to 30 or 40 times as I live in Winnipeg. I hated him because they beat my Jets all the time lol. They tried double teaming, he would pass it off and someone else would score. They tried taking away all his passing options, he'd score himself. They tried taking away Coffey rushing the puck, it didn't matter, he scored consistently. They tried taking the body, they could rarely hit him. He was just too good. You couldn't stop him.
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel: That 1980s Oilers squad was a nightmare for an opposing coach, no question. I think Gretzky could have been shut down if you could concentrate only on him, but with that Hall of Fame supporting cast, the Oilers had so many ways of beating you. Very tough. However, a more realistic view can be obtained from his time with the LA Kings, who were a good but not great squad. Wayne couldn't move mountains quite so easily there. He still did a great deal of damage, but not as much.
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 The Oilers weren't dominating in 80-81 and he had 164 points. They didn't win their first cup til 84. He took the Kings to the cup final and lost to a team that had the best goaltender in the league and a team that won 10 overtime games in a row. They didn't win the cup because they didn't have the supporting players, but he still dominated. 40 points in the 92-93 playoffs unbelievable!
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel: An interesting what-if type or maybe a research type question for you: looking at Wayne's career, who played him the toughest, both as a team and as an individual? There have been some extraordinarily gifted defensive forwards and defensemen, for example. How did these folks fare against the Great One? It would also be interesting to see an A-B comparison of how Gretz and Mario played against the best defensive specialists.
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Gretzky couldn't be stopped. Dan Bonar did it one playoff round when the Kings upset the Oilers and when Dan coached me anyone who tried to skate through the whole team and not pass the puck, he would always say, "you're not Gretzky!" We all knew what he was getting at.
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
(continued) in the Canada Cup in I think 1991 and injured his back. Bobby Orr was the best defenceman offensive and defensive ever, no argument there, but as a forward myself I would pick a forward over a defencemen. In this day an age I would pick a goalie over any player defence or forward. That's another thing, goal production would be up if goalies wore the equipment goalies wore before early to mid 90's. They look like michelin men in goal now.
charliethecolonel 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel: re: "That's another thing, goal production would be up if goalies wore the equipment goalies wore before early to mid 90's. They look like michelin men in goal now." Agreed. The goalies will hate me for saying it, but the pendulum has swung too far their way. Bring back pads, blockers and gloves sized like those pre-1990s. We could trade somewhat smaller gear with allowing defensemen to clear forwards from in the crease, as we used to be able to do in the old days.
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@charliethecolonel Like GeorgiaBoy,I think your reverence to Gretzky is too high in saying he's the greatest with no ifs and buts.Its understandable but naive.You can use the size argument to also say it's even more impressive for a big guy like Mario to have the finesse of a smaller 6' player. Oilers came into the NHL with a fast growing bunch of young players who made it to the cup finals and lost to the Islanders in only their 4th year. Gretzky had greatest career, but Lemieux had best talent
KeyMasterGateKeeper 2 months ago
(continued) Weighting goals from different eras differently might produce a very different picture than we have now, concerning the greatest scorers. Which was the greater feat? Fifty goals in the original six era, or Gretzky or Mario's most spectacular totals in the 1980s-90s post-expansion era? There may also be a way to weight the caliber of competition a given scorer faced night in and night out, i.e., teams, top lines faced, goalies, etc. as well as other factors. Comments, suggestions?
GeorgiaBoy1961 3 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Excellent comparison between Gretzky vs Lemieux stats taking into account scoring era, google:
"The Greatest One – Gretzky or Lemieux Comparing NHL All-Time Scoring Stats"
One last thing I want to debunk, and that's the myth about Mario's "great" supporting cast. His best seasons were 87/88, 88/89. Only with aged Paul Coffey, before Stevens, Jagr, Francis, etc. Although sad but true, Mario's peak ended at 22, his cancer / cup days were far from the player he could have been.
KeyMasterGateKeeper 3 months ago
(continued) In other words, we're looking at the ability to manufacture scoring chances under less-than-ideal conditions, and then deliver on those chances. Another method of rating scorers might be to weight different era's goals differently. Original six goals might be considered tougher to come by than expansion or 1980s-90s goals, and so on. Hockey stat heads have not yet developed a metric for doing this, that I am aware.
GeorgiaBoy1961 3 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Since ur talking about ideal and non-ideal conditions, also consider this - not many people know that as a rookie, Gretzky was never officially drafted as the #1 rookie onto the worst NHL team. Instead, he bypassed the 18 age requirement by joining the Indiana Racers on the WHA as a 17 yo. He was traded to the WHA Oilers, which merged with NHL and the rest is history. Mario, on the other hand followed the traditional route - #1 rookie to the 84 Pens, possibly worst NHL team ever!
KeyMasterGateKeeper 3 months ago
Actually, there may be another way of looking at pure scoring ability. Gretzky, Lemieux, Esposito, et al. all benefitted from good-to-excellent supporting casts, players who did the dirty work in the corners, fed them passes, and otherwise supported them. Taking nothing away from Gretzky et al., who was the best goal scorer over a career of playing with a weaker supporting cast? One possible candidate: Marcel Dionne, who spent the bulk of his career with the LA Kings. Any others?
GeorgiaBoy1961 3 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 U really need to see this graph - please google: "nhl goals per game graph"
You will notice that apart from the world-war 2 anomaly,Gretzky's highest scoring seasons also coincided with the highest scoring NHL seasons too
I will agree with you,that I'm not taking any away from Wayne.He's a genius and well-deserved "The Great One".However, he also greatly lucked out in playing on the right team in the right era,inflated his already excellent numbers to unreachable stratospheres!
KeyMasterGateKeeper 3 months ago
All kuris set up by gretzky
ShankYouKindly 3 months ago
goalies used to really suck.
bardownsnipe 3 months ago
Brett Hull's shot.... what a cannon!
GeorgiaBoy1961 3 months ago
Mike Bossy, based upon per game scoring average, is the best pure scorer in NHL history. Gretzky's totals early in his career were ridiculous, but Bossy's feat of scoring 50 or more goals all those years in a row is my pick for the most impressive. Sort of like comparing Babe Ruth with Lou Gehrig or maybe Hank Aaron. Aaron never hit fifty HRs, but he was machine year after year, consistent excellence. That's what Mike did, til his career was ended by injuries.
GeorgiaBoy1961 3 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Bossy's gpg is inflated, because he played only 10 years and retired at his peak. If you would have taken Gretzky's or Lemieux's gpg from 18-28 years old, they be be insane and surely pass Bossy.
I think that Gretzky's true stats were truly reflected in his first two years on the Kings, when he was 27-28 or so. They were around the 160pt range. There was no way he could have achieved the godly 200+ pt seasons without the Oilers - still better than everyone else...except Mario...
KeyMasterGateKeeper 3 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper: Gatekeeper, there's some truth in your arguments, but I still don't buy that Gretzky was the hands-down greatest scorer of all time. Statistics are only part of the story. We cannnot know what would have happened to Mike Bossy's totals over another decade of playing, for example; they'd probably have fallen or perhaps he'd have had even bigger years before ending his career. As Bossy's totals stand, they are very impressive.
GeorgiaBoy1961 3 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 I'm not sure if I was abundantly clear enough, but we actually see eye-to-eye on one thing - that Gretzky wasn't hands-down the greatest scorer of all time like his stats may suggest.
Not sure if people are aware of this, but after the Oilers, Gretzky scored only ONE 50-goal season for the rest of his career. Mario only trailed Gretzky by 200 goals, entirely took 4 and a half seasons off, that alone would be enough to catch Gretz, but we havent even counted all the injured games
KeyMasterGateKeeper 3 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper: We agree on this. Mario lost a great deal of time to injuries and illness, sort of a hockey counterpart to baseball's Ted Williams, who lost all those prime years to being a fighter pilot in two wars. is stats would be comparable or superior to Wayne's if those are factored in. Re: Gretzky post-Oilers stat of only one fifty goal season - I've already seen that. So, who would you pick as your top five scorers all-time? Moreover, who are your picks in addition to WG and ML?
GeorgiaBoy1961 3 months ago
@GeorgiaBoy1961 My top 5 factoring in era:
1) Lemieux
2) Maurice Richard
3) Gretzky
4) Bossy
5) Ovechkin
Rocket Richard, because he set the "50 in 50" bar and at his best almost doubled the next best goal scorer.
And yes,Ovechkin,I hate the Caps and prefer Crosby, but Ovie currently has a 0.634 regular season gpg and a playoff gpg only second to Mario.Factor in that back in 80s era, this interpolates to 100 goal seasons!But his career is young and his last year or two hasn't been scoring well?
KeyMasterGateKeeper 3 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper: Good list, but IMO, Ovechkin hasn't been around long-enough to merit a place on it.
I'd probably go with Bobby Hull or Phil Esposito or even Marcel Dionne in Ove's place. If we expand the list to ten players, I'd included both Hulls, Brett and Bobby. "The Rocket" definitely belongs due to his "original six" dominance.
GeorgiaBoy1961 2 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper: If I was coaching a Stanley Cup, game seven scenario, and needed a goal scored, I'd probably go with Mario, who was not only a total scoring threat but possessed physicality that Gretzky did not. That's no knock on the Great One, more my bias toward physicality, size and toughness as well as scoring ability.
GeorgiaBoy1961 3 months ago
Jaromir Jágr is the best !
ebokoroots 3 months ago
no orr fuck this
The3dlewis 3 months ago
who is the pavel bure´s son??
Oskuzi997 3 months ago
if ovechkin played back when gretzkey did, he woud have gotton 200 goals a season...the game is totally different today, gretzkey would never have gotton as much as he did now
ManiacGlitch 4 months ago
@ManiacGlitch Gretzky definitely wouldn't be putting up the numbers he did in today's game, but I think saying Ovechkin would put up 200 goals back then is probably a stretch. It's impossible to give a number but the best goal scorers in the game at that time were Gretzky and Bossy and averaging both of their totals they were firing about 65 - 70 goals per. To say Ovechkin would do that x3 is a bit much.
tjcurrie 4 months ago
Cant find the idiot on here, but a while back he was trying to tell us that Gretzky would get even more points in today's game. Believe he said 100 goals and 300 points in a season. Tried to tell him that today's game is more systems oriented, the fringe players are bigger/faster so the league is deeper,and goalies are bigger/better. No reasoning. Well Gretzky was just talking about it and said himself that he would not be putting up the same numbers in todays game for the EXACT reasons. Done
tjcurrie 4 months ago
BOSSY IS SUPPOSED TO BE #1 IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT PURE GOAL SCORERS!!!!!!!
stufftheman360 4 months ago
where is Teemu Selänne 637 goals? Grezky is all time best scorer.
jorma5050 4 months ago
Mike bossy!
Supernautsintime 4 months ago
Really Gretzky #3? R u retarded? Wow someone was stoned when they made this Lemiux should be 2nd not 1st sorry
BryceKananowicz 4 months ago
Best goal scorer of all time is a no brainer if you really know hockey. MARIO LEMIEUX PERIOD!
thehonzie1 4 months ago
1)brett hull 2) mario lemieux 3) jaromir jagr
tykve 4 months ago
your an idiot
57187262 4 months ago
maurice richard 4???? i get the 50 in 50 but only MVP the greatesr goal scorer of all time is bobby hull. in around 1450 games he had over 900 goals NHL and WHa
Vinny19rocks 4 months ago
Most goals per game: Mike Bossy-He belongs for sure!
braxtonantoine 4 months ago
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Both Hulls go higher, Bure and Bossey don't belong. Gordie Howe goes on the list. Jagr Gets nixed. Gretzky is #1 Howe #2 and after them you try to figure out which Hull was better. Brett had 741 goals in 18 NHL seasons. Bobby had 610 goals in 16 NHL seasons but he totaled 303 goals in 7 WHA seasons, giving him 913 professional goals. WHA isn't the NHL, but it had a ton of talent. It could be argued that Bobby was better than Brett, it could be argued the other direction. Your list is bad.
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