Hey everybody, I just joined the Jehovah's Wit-less group. Can I interest you in some Felchtower Publications ? Later, we can meet at the Kingdumb Hall and pray to the god that Russell has made. Afterwards, we will knock on people's doors and spread our false gospel and try to brainwash more people into our worthless cult. Please join us, we need more liars for Russell. Put the fear of false gospel in people's ears and destroy their lives for a fake god invented by the moron of morons, Russell.
Excellent video presentation of the deceptive Satan Doctrine of the Trinity and just how much NONSENSE the trinity teaching that Jesus is GOD THE ALMIGHTY. It is very hard for individuals to throw away their false pagan traditions because they love their TRADITIONS more than the TRUTH.
Please explain the part about Jesus needing 'God's salvation' at 4:30 into the video. Was it just a poor choice of words? Jesus NEVER needed salvation. He was sinless.
@jwforlife2 At Hebrews 5:7 Paul said that Jesus offered up prayer and supplication to the one who was able to SAVE him out of death, and he (Jesus) was favorably heard for his godly fear. So, Jehovah provided Jesus with salvation based on the fact that he was sinless.
PLEASE - IF THERE ARE ANY WATCHING THIS WHO ARE TAKEN IN BY ITS LIES AND THINK THAT THIS IS IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM 'CHRISTIAN BELIEF' I WILL GLADLY EXPLAIN WHY IT IS DANGEROUS RUBBISH IN PRIVATE. JUST DROP ME AN EMAIL. THIS DANGEROUS, THEOLOGICAL GARBAGE IS THE OUTPOURING OF A CULT FORMED BY A SELF-CONFESSED FRAUD WHO HAVE CHANGED DOCRINE WITH THE WIND.
JW 'THEOLOGY' IS UNBIBLICAL & WRONG & A BASTARDISATION OF GOD'S WORD. HOW MANY OF THE WORLD'S EMINENT THEOLOGIANS AGREE WITH THIS CULT? NONE.
@MrJayguess Let's hear your thoughts? Keep in mind the "whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" 1 john 5:19...If that's true then ponder on what things he uses to blind people? Keep in mind the whole world.
@inscentof Sure. As an ordained Christian minister with a diploma and degree in theology, and a good knowledge of Greek, email me and we can discuss things in the original Greek. In the meantime please answer 2 questions: 1. What are YOUR credentials that make you a Bible authority? 2. Name ANY one respected eminent Bible scholar or theologian who has even remotely supported the JW theology and scriptural interpretation. Just one.
@inscentof I await them with great interest. Use independent thought by going onto my profile page and message from there. By the way, I love the way you twist Christ's own words to suit your ends. It would be quite funny if it weren't so sad - and offensive.
By the way, please don't furnish me with 'experts' whose words are twisted or who are crackpots. That's the usual fare for a JW.
@inscentof What do YOU think 1 John 5:19 means? That Jehovah's Witnesses - who deny the Holy Spirit, the Crucifixion, the identity and deity of Christ (absurdly demoting him to Michael the angel) and even the resurrection - and who know that they will never get to heaven - are the only true Church? Maybe I dont need to 'ponder' very much further than self-confessed fraud C T Russell to look at how people are blinded and lured into a cult.
@MrJayguess Are u a comdeian? I asked u for your meaning with all your scriptual qualifications that should be easy. Tell me who Michael is? He is desribed in the scriptures, (5 places) what's he doing in those scriptures? Russell has unlocked many basic bible truths that were contary to the beliefs and customs of that day. I'll be happy to enlighten you.
@inscentof As for Russell - don't forget the 'spiritual wheat' scam, the vast amount of money made by the WT, the control over members scared of disfellowshipping - oh and the time Russell perjured himself in court by claiming to be a Greek expert and then not being able even to recite the Greek alphabet when cross-examined! LOL As I said - a fraud and a charlatan. Any history book (and the court transcriptions - available online) will confirm this
@MrJayguess Didn't your parents tell you NOT to believe everthing you read and hear? Can you provide this documention? And of course the history books? But you haven't given me your answers to all the Q I asked?
Sorry, but this video is absolute garbage. If you want to know why Mr Watchman.com, email me for a full response where perhaps we can discuss Christ's divinity in the original Greek.
In the meantime, look at Hebrews 1:8 (KJV)
"But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.""
God is talking here as in the rest of the passage - so why does he call his own Son 'God'?
The trinity is a lie from Satan, it is no more then a false doctrine and teaching. If you follow the trinity as harsh as it sounds you will die. Learn who Jehovah is and don't fall prey too a silly and false teaching. Love Jehovah.
Not accepting the Trinity is false christian. Bible says church is the Pillar of Truth. That is why R Catholic Church interprets bible led by Holy Spirit. Holds on to Apostolic Christian teachings. Much deterioration of truth that people start rejecting Trinity, even reject easter/lent, reject christmas, reject sunday sabbath, reject any church authority, reject eucharist.
@inlight001 You are massively deluded. The Roman Catholic Church has been the tool of the Devil to prevent people from knowing the truth. The Vatican has killed millions of people with countless wars, crusades and inquistions. Catholic priests have rapped and sodomized boys by the thousands. Jehovah is going to destroy your religion.
@ewatchmandotcom 1st give u credit for not filtering messages as some Evangelical videos sadly do. Second,if u dont accept Trinity we agree on very little.Accepting Trinity is fundamental doctrine for true Christians.U also very bias since Jehovah Witnesses believe other religions/groups are false.Other false belief is that there is no hell & soul can die.Person cant compare 2000yr Catholic Church history with JW 141yr history.Are also abuse cases in JW church.Just see suit by Erica Rodriguez
Mat 11:27 Where is the Holy Spirit? Mat 24:36 Where is the Holy Spirit? Re 7:9-10 Where is the Holy Spirit? Re 21:22 Where is the Holy Spirit? 1 Co 8:5-6 Where is the Holy Spirit?
ewatchman, please tell me where Scripture says that Jesus ever left his human form. Remember that Scripture never speaks of spiritual resurrection only bodily.
@ewatchmandotcom Indeed they do. I speak to many JW's daily and whenever they define a doctrine, they do so incorrectly. It is a common theme among Jehovah's Witnesses. I've watched several videos that you have posted and you seem to be a very intelligent man. In many of your videos you capable of defining and explaining complex ideas, and yet, when it comes to defining Christian doctrine correctly you are incapable. Why? In this video for example you have misrepresented several doctrines.
@ewatchmandotcom Indeed they do. I speak to many JW's daily and whenever they define a doctrine, they do so incorrectly. It is a common theme among Jehovah's Witnesses. I've watched several videos that you have posted and you seem to be a very intelligent man. In many of your videos you capable of defining and explaining complex ideas, and yet, when it comes to defining Christian doctrine correctly you are incapable. Why? In this video for example you have misrepresented several doctrines.
Do you? There are four traditional types of evidence. They include real, demonstrative, documentary, and testimonial. Documentary evidence is also a kind of real evidence. The laws governing evidence are rather complex, but there are three basic "prerequisites" for admissibility, they include relevance, materiality, and competency. You're operating on God with a copy of a copy to the 15th power! Plus it's on material 2000 yrs. old and in 6 or 7 different languages you'll never know. Want help?
Jesus is a Jewish Rabbi BEFORE he was the founder of Christianity. Did you know for instance that Israel has a higher number of degreed citizens per capita than any other country? Israel leads the world in science also. It's a Judao-Christian ethnoreligion that you're attempting to mack on, but you don't have any credentials. 15 million life after death experiences in the USA alone, Jesus sure knew about that!
You're missing a ton. We have beliefs and NO, sorry fella, but they're not inherited. They aren't issued to us by our environment either. How many hours have you spent thinking about what it is that you're saying exactly? 15 minutes? You're ripping out of context from time, circumstance, place, and participants what can't be in order to demonstrate a point of your own making. Everything Jesus did and said and prayed made not only HE, but US equal with God. You got 3 minutes of my time.
Also the Trinity rejects Jesus as Christ...Look What John said in 1 John 2:22 " Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the anichrist, the one who denies the Father(Jehovah) and the Son(Jesus).."
@10lelegurl This text is NOT about the Trinity, but about the divine Father/Son relationship. John is emphasizing
that is not enough to believe in God, but that it is also essential to believe in His Son. THE Holy Spirit is not even mentioned here. Where do you get the idea that the Trinity rejects Jesus as Christ? The text is simply saying that those who do not recognize this relationship are liars and antichrist.
Man you Trinitarians..you guys dont get it..There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD he is Jehovah, no one else. Jesus is the son of God. If not why did Jesus said John14:28 " My Father is greater then I"..And John 17:3 " Their taking knowledge of you the Only true God"...
So Trinitarian!!...the only way we can recieve everlasting life is Taking knowledge of Jesus Father Jehovah
@10lelegurl What I don't get is JWs faulty logic. Jehovah is the only TRUE God, which I agree with, and yet Jesus is "a god" besides Jehovah. It seems like you believe in more than one God, and yet the Scriptures say that there was no other god before Him and NONE CREATED after Him.
I have never heard a reasonable response from a trinity believer to answer the question of Jesus handing back the kingdom to his Father and becoming subject to his Father which happens at a future time. That scripture is solid proof that there is no trinity, and that Jesus is not God Almighty but his Father is.
and thesnarkyapologist reply just kinda made our argument sound better. i say that because you used solid scriptures to support that there is only one god the father and he used scriptures like john 8:58 which is one of the worse verses to prove the trinity. I love what you are doing and keep up the good work.
hey robert. well done on this video. the sad thing is as well as you present the evidence and how much sense you make and how clearly you explain why the trinity can not be, people will still believe in the trinity. I was looking at ephesians 1:3 and it says blessed be the God and father of our lord Jesus Christ. It shows us right here that Jesus has a God. Also, sorry to hear about your dad. i lost a good friend to a car accident the same week you lost your dad.
I notice that ewatchman won't accept my video response on here. I wonder if it has to do with fear that his argument against the Trinity is undone by it? If this video is true and completely dismisses the Trinity as irrational, illogical, nonScriptural and nonscientific than I wonder why he won't let my video response isn't being posted on here which shows the Trinity to be all four of these!
@arnie365 I have the firm belief that arnie365 is the stupidist man that has ever walked upon the face of this earth. I have spoken with His Stupidness myself. I would love to see a face off between arnie and Robert.
@XChineseNewYearX " have the firm belief that arnie365 is the stupidist man that has ever walked upon the face of this earth"
well thank u very much for the insult ! it`s almost as good as the one where u used the foulest language to insult me. thank u very much.
b4 u go round calling ppl stupid remember that u used an APPOSTATES video to try and humiliate me. am APPOSTATE. someone who bad mothes and ridicules ur faith as if it were sewage. that is the person u used as ur defense. GENIUS!
@XChineseNewYearX AS FOR ROBERT... ANY TIME!!! I USE THE WORD OF GOD AND HE USES THE WORD OF MAN SO IT`S LIKE A SHOWDOWN WITH ME HAVING A LOADED 45 MAGNUM AGAINST A WATER PISTOL
@XChineseNewYearX " I have the firm belief that arnie365 is the stupidist man that has ever walked upon the face of this earth"
SINCE UR SUPPOSED TO BE SOOOO INTELLIGENT U DO KNOW THAT ROBERT HIMSELF HAS TURNED AWAY FROM THE WTS DON`T U? that means he is an APPOSTATE!!! hahaha u sure know how to pick them don`t u hahahaha
Acts (20:28) Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. By no mistake do the Scriptures make clear that the blood of Christ is the blood of God! 1 Timothy (3:16) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Jesus has a father and a God because he is a man, a human being . Jesus is revealed to be God in the flesh numerous times in Scripture, Hebrews (1:8) Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever - If this be said of the Son of God, i.e. Jesus Christ, then Jesus Christ must be God & Titus (2:13) while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,... Jesus is a human being that has everything humans have but the eternal Word is also in him!
There is no way to reconcile the Scriptures pertaining to Christ without the Trinity. Attempts to do so have lead to the blasphemous altering of Scripture to bring Christ down from being God in the flesh, a prime example is the NWT in Colossians(1:16,17)the uninspired word other has been inserted 4 times against the Greek, John(8:58)The Greek word-for-word rendering states I am instead of I have been. Because God's nature is revealed as the Trinity false gospels must alter Scripture to deny it.
Jesus can have a God and a father because he is fully human. You don't see the contradictions of trying to believe in the Bible without believing in the Trinity.
@epidome More nonsense. Jesus is said to have a God and Father after he left his human form. As I pointed out in the video, Jesus hands over the kingdom to his God and Father. This is still a future event.
@ewatchmandotcom , the problem in this is that Jesus never left his human form. Every time the Bible speaks of resurrection it speaks of a body not spirit, a spiritual body. Jesus proved his flesh in the resurrection twice. Jesus can give the kingdom to his father because he is a man and the father can say of the son, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. I have offered a video response to this one the clearly reveals the Trinity
@ewatchmandotcom , come see my video I posted in the comments section on your channel and that I made a video response to this one if you want a rational, logical, Scriptural and scientific explanation of the Trinity. If you don't allow it to be a video response I will know that it is because it irrefutably reveals the Trinity and you won't let it on here to challenge what you are saying. Don't get me wrong either I like you a lot and and care about you, You are good for historical Christians.
What you fail to understand is that Jesus emptied himself of his divinity because he did not think it something to cling to. This was the only way that the law could be fullfilled and the only way that Christ could live a sinnless as a man. For it was only of value when done as a man, void of his divinity.
The law was only fullfilled once someone had lived out their life obeying the law and never sinning. Only then could the old covenant be replaced.
@ewatch Pt 2 Your very atheistic arguement that I am a Christian because of where I was born holds no water in a multicultural society like Canada. My believe in God and Jesus being God has nothing to do with where I was born.
Jesus certainly did declare himeself as God. This was, afterall, the very reason that he was crucified. But since his charge was blaspheme because he claimed to be God, and since we are told that he was innocent of all charges, this means he was who he claimed to be
@bagatelox Those passages do nothing to refute the trinity. Having the very unique dual nature of both man and God Jesus spoke both from the perspective of man and God. He had to be begotten as a man and had to live out a sinnless life as a man. To be fully human meant he had to empty himself of his divinity.
So what does divinity mean to you? How could he empty out his divinity if he were not God. What did he empty himself of?
@TrustinJC "Having the very unique dual nature of both man and God" These are things that you presuppose. You make your presuppositions of an absolute truth. Beware of your presuppositions. Matthew 16:6 "So what does divinity mean to you?" >>Exodus 7:1 but John 17:3
belief and proving an argument are two different kettles of thinking.......have whatever belief you wish but don't attempt to prove or argue or logic your way out of it, I had a lifetime of that so I speak from experience........
Even if I weren't a Trinitarian, I would think your arguments were pretty weak. And perhaps this is one reason why many Trinitarians remain what they are. If I leveled such simplistic arguments against your position, I am sure you'd feel the same way.
@theapologeticfront Stop pretending to be some sort of intellectual. You have no argument. Just admit the fact that you prefer to believe in nonsense. Be honest!
@ewatchmandotcom see, this is exactly what i'm talking about. If you want to see some arguments against the Trinity that are actually worth thinking about, go to my blog where I debate David Barron on the deity of Christ. If you want to get Trinitarians to think, present good arguments.
@theapologeticfront Yawn. I an not interested in 'arguments.' Only the truth. You might even be good at arguing. But so what? That doesn't mean anything. The truth is the only thing of any value.
@ ewatchman I totally agree with you. But it still leaves the question why would Christ need a second heavenly nature and name? all of the other names of Christ are a description of his position. Micheal is describe as a different heavenly figure. Even though Christ is call a archangel, he's not call the only archangel. I love watching your videos. I grew up as a witness for 20 years and agree with a lot of your understanding of the word. Keep preaching the good news.
I agree with trinity is nonsense. But I want to argue that the thinking that "Micheal is Jesus" sounds like the same nonsense. Just because they both are called an archangel and will bound satan doesn't mean they are the same person. Jesus is The Word,The lamb, ect. Never another name. If Jesus is Gods son with all the powers that come with that name. Why would he have to turn into a completely change name and being? Jesus never has to pretend or become someone else.
@thad7078 Jesus is the name Mary and Joseph gave to the baby. It is a derivative of the Hebrew name Joshua. But Christ lived in heaven long before the Hebrews even existed. Since Christ has lived in two different worlds, and existed in two totally different forms, it is entirely appropriate that he have two different names. To make the point, the chosen ones who are to share with Christ are said to be given a new name.
The saddest thing that happens is that although the doctrine of the Trinity is a smoke that is between the mind of the people and the Bible, those who believe in the trinity do not respect those who do not believe, simply calling them heretics. Those who believe in the trinity do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, in the end, because they do not believe that Jesus is God's creation. "But these have been written down that YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God."
The trinity explained. God said to himself to come down to earth to save mankind, so God put himself into mary's womb to be born on earth, when he was grown he then let himself be tempted, prayed to himself, gloried himself, died then rose himself back up after 3 days, returned to heaven, to become God again......lol!!!!!!!!!
and the Watchtower teaches that Jesus is Michael the archangel. Wow, the Word who was in the beginning and was with God can transfer from being the Word to Michael to Jesus to Michael and then back to Jesus.
I was born in America, raised by JWs. But I ended up as an atheist. All religions are nonsense from my perspective. Even if the non Trinitarian concept appears to make more sense to me personally, that's not saying much when the bigger picture makes even less sense. Things like blood sacrifices, talking animals, magic and sorcery; I have see no reason to believe any of that is true. I say this with all sincerity. It just seems improbable that an all powerful God would design things this way
Lucifer, the god of this evil world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe, so they are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News that is shining upon them. They don't understand the message we preach about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
would you agree that God is the king of drama? how much easier would it have been for Jehovah to forgive Adam and Eve in the garden. Look at the account. What happened after they ate the fruit? They became ashamed. They were sorry. They raised their children to fear and respect god, and yet no forgiveness was possible? A perfect man had to later be born who would understand the issue, and lay down his life. However, Jesus was not as 'innocent' as Adam. Adam was as innocent as a baby.
@thetruthrover I asked same thing, and what I was told made so much sense to me. Adam n Eve were perfect beings set in a perfect garden, and had a one to one relationship with God. They had 2 simple commands and there punishment was laid out plain to them if they did not obey.
1)Become fruitfull fill the Earth, and subdue it.
2)Do not eat from the tree of Knowledge of good and bad.
God is perfect in everything even justice. They were given every advantage and choose Satan over Jehovah.
@Josiahvidz let's say a father tells his son not to touch the stove because it is hot. if the father sees his son reach out to touch it anyway, the father may stop his son, or he may let him get burned to teach him a lesson. either would be acceptable. but in either case, it is not a matter of life and death. Jehovah should have stopped Adam; this was life or death...for billions. Since he chose to look the other way, he should have forgiven. And i don't mean by having his other perfect son die.
@thetruthrover Ok, but do you follow him all his life and decide what is dangerous. No, eventually as your child grows you must eventualy let him go and he must choose for himself what is dangerous and what is not. The scriptures prove that Adam and Eve were counseled on this many times as Eve claimed that they were not just to eat, but not to even look at the tree. God created us with free will and set us in a perfect environment and taught them one comand to prosper and they failed not God.
@thetruthrover In that case, we have his first born of all creation, Jesus, which Proverbs 8:22 to 31 tells of his Fathers fondness of him and his fondness of us. His spiritual firstborn remained loyal. NOW we have Adam, the first born of in the physical sense. This one disobeyed the heavenly Father. Jesus although fulfilling his role as a loving son in the spiritual sense also was sent down to fulfill the role in a physical sense of behalf of us not adam, cause he took the place of adam.
@thetruthrover there fore we now have the only begotten son of God his first born of all creation, show his loyalty and love for his father not only in a spiritual sense but also in a physical opening the way for both spiritual and physical, to imitate him in showing tremendous love for our heavenly Father. Jehovah God.
@bonzdee so you're telling me that i not only have to believe that it was loving for God to test us, and loving for him to not intervene on Eve's behalf, or at least warn Adam, but that it was also loving and necessary to send an angel to earth as a man, to die without sin just so God can forgive us, who haven't really done anything wrong except be born? If it happened at all, it was probably Jesus who begged God to save mankind and offered to go down and die for us. Jesus bought us from God.
@thetruthrover it never happened that way, Jesus begging on our behalf? No, but John 3:16 says. “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. That scripture is famous WORLDWIDE and cannot be interpreted in any other way except how it stands.
@thetruthrover Also this scripture also proves that God does not test anyone @ James 1:13 reads, When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. But God has also given us #1 reason why we fail tests we read that @ verse 14 "But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire." we as Adams offspring also have an inborn tendency to sin. Inherited exclusively by our first parents. Adam & Eve.
@thetruthrover So really, what the world has taught us to believe and what false religions have implanted in us to believe are mostly all LIES!, BUT now that TRUTH is in the earth, which also means there is one true Christian Religion, also in the earth, which after many years of bible studying, and maturing in my spiritual growth and faith, I believe it to be Jehovah's Witnesses and yet I was brought up a Baptist by my grandparents.
@thetruthrover And that's when I really saw how corrupted the teachings of the world and false religion COUPLED by my own imperfections led me astray for the better part of my life, from my youth right up to, till I was like 26 years old I'm 38 now. I now saw the truth as ripping out all what Satan's world had taught me, false religion it's self misleading me to believe, also with imperfection, the truth kind of like smashed and broke it down in me and rebuilt my mind with TRUTH!
i agree that the trinity is nonsense. but i am coming to the conclusion that the bible is also comprised of much nonsense. i'm trying to read the bible, and i can't get past genesis without having some major issues with god. funny thing is, i used to defend many of the very things i am having trouble with. i am an inactive witness, but i believe soon to be disfellowshiped for speaking to my father about my doubts.
@Bibl3Thumper It's funny how in 1 scripture (John 2:19) it appears Jesus says he resurrected himself, and that is what you choose to beleive yet there are many scripture that prove it was not Jesus that resurrected himself and these are to be ignored. (Rom. 8:11; 1 Cor. 15:15; Eph. 1:20) Is it possible that you are simply not seeing Joh 2:19 for what Jesus is really trying to tell you?
@ewatchmandotcom The next verses tell what Jesus meant so humans will not be able to twist his words. There needs to be a time in ones life that a person can question what we have been taught. Just because we know what we have been taught very well does not make it truth.To say something is nonsense does not make is so. Robert please use scripture to prove your point, and let the facts prove the truth after all is that not what we are after.By the way what do you believe Christ meant?
@ewatchmandotcom Oh your right, my bad. I guess discussion and thinking stops there now that you have asserted that "you doubt that I know what christ meant"
In other words, that scripture cant possibly mean that Christ was talking about raising his own body because it disagrees with your own presupposed conclusion. Then again, I think it does: scripture defines itself when you read on: JN 2:21 "But the temple he had spoken of was his body."
By obeying God, Jesus could expect that God would resurrect him, as he promised. In a real sense Jesus had a choice to obey God or not; by obeying God he secured his right to resurrection.
@singlecellorganism13 Here is the pont. The scriptures say: The father resurrected him (Galatians 1:1) The spirit raised Jesus (Romans 8:11) and finally, I supported that Jesus raised himself (John 2:19) thats the paradox. Yet Ewatchman stated "Jesus never raised himself" That was the point I made contention with. So with that said, do you have any objections to what I said?
@Bibl3Thumper Romans 8:11 does not say "The spirit raised him" it says "Spirit of him(God) who raised Jesus" ESV. All scripture point to God being the one whom resurrected Jesus. Jehovah used his Holy Spirit to do so, but still all credit is due to Jehovah God.
You cannot understand because the Bible says you are spiritually dead and love darkness.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1Corinthians 2:14
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19
@BereanBeacon1 I like how, Instead of actually rebutting what he says, you say,"You cannot understand because the Bible says you are spiritually dead and love darkness."
@XChineseNewYearX But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:17,18
I do not like when brothers criticize the trinity because it is a "mystery." Brother, I think something needs to be differentiated. Trinity is not true because it does not make sense to us. Trinity could be true, yet never understand it. It's like the existence of Jehovah. We may never be able to understand how He can exist. No, I don't believe in trinity...
@bagatelox I think you have it reversed. It is not that the trinity is untrue because it doesn't make sense,rather, it doesn't make sense because it is not true.
I think Satan's goal to promote the trinity is trying to empty the belief of Jesus is son (in the full sense of the word) of God, imagining that Jesus was not one being created. (John 20:31) I like many things which John Piper speaks, but in this sermon I felt sorry for him. desiringgod org/resource-library/sermons/in-the-beginning-was-the-word
Hey everybody, I just joined the Jehovah's Wit-less group. Can I interest you in some Felchtower Publications ? Later, we can meet at the Kingdumb Hall and pray to the god that Russell has made. Afterwards, we will knock on people's doors and spread our false gospel and try to brainwash more people into our worthless cult. Please join us, we need more liars for Russell. Put the fear of false gospel in people's ears and destroy their lives for a fake god invented by the moron of morons, Russell.
MrRedPajamas 1 week ago
@MrRedPajamas ha, thats funny
your ignorant to shit, but still funny, good one
MCbtYou 3 days ago
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sir please watch this "jeff durbin argues with two jehovah witnesses"
and explain his saying
MCbtYou 1 week ago
Excellent video presentation of the deceptive Satan Doctrine of the Trinity and just how much NONSENSE the trinity teaching that Jesus is GOD THE ALMIGHTY. It is very hard for individuals to throw away their false pagan traditions because they love their TRADITIONS more than the TRUTH.
Jehovahourgod 2 months ago
Please explain the part about Jesus needing 'God's salvation' at 4:30 into the video. Was it just a poor choice of words? Jesus NEVER needed salvation. He was sinless.
jwforlife2 2 months ago
@jwforlife2 At Hebrews 5:7 Paul said that Jesus offered up prayer and supplication to the one who was able to SAVE him out of death, and he (Jesus) was favorably heard for his godly fear. So, Jehovah provided Jesus with salvation based on the fact that he was sinless.
ewatchmandotcom 2 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom Thank you!
jwforlife2 2 months ago
PLEASE - IF THERE ARE ANY WATCHING THIS WHO ARE TAKEN IN BY ITS LIES AND THINK THAT THIS IS IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM 'CHRISTIAN BELIEF' I WILL GLADLY EXPLAIN WHY IT IS DANGEROUS RUBBISH IN PRIVATE. JUST DROP ME AN EMAIL. THIS DANGEROUS, THEOLOGICAL GARBAGE IS THE OUTPOURING OF A CULT FORMED BY A SELF-CONFESSED FRAUD WHO HAVE CHANGED DOCRINE WITH THE WIND.
JW 'THEOLOGY' IS UNBIBLICAL & WRONG & A BASTARDISATION OF GOD'S WORD. HOW MANY OF THE WORLD'S EMINENT THEOLOGIANS AGREE WITH THIS CULT? NONE.
MrJayguess 2 months ago
@MrJayguess Let's hear your thoughts? Keep in mind the "whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" 1 john 5:19...If that's true then ponder on what things he uses to blind people? Keep in mind the whole world.
inscentof 2 months ago
@inscentof Sure. As an ordained Christian minister with a diploma and degree in theology, and a good knowledge of Greek, email me and we can discuss things in the original Greek. In the meantime please answer 2 questions: 1. What are YOUR credentials that make you a Bible authority? 2. Name ANY one respected eminent Bible scholar or theologian who has even remotely supported the JW theology and scriptural interpretation. Just one.
MrJayguess 2 months ago
@MrJayguess Give me your email and I'll you a list of my scriptual credentials. I'll also give you a list of scholars that agree with the NWT & JW's.
inscentof 2 months ago
@inscentof I await them with great interest. Use independent thought by going onto my profile page and message from there. By the way, I love the way you twist Christ's own words to suit your ends. It would be quite funny if it weren't so sad - and offensive.
By the way, please don't furnish me with 'experts' whose words are twisted or who are crackpots. That's the usual fare for a JW.
MrJayguess 2 months ago
@inscentof What do YOU think 1 John 5:19 means? That Jehovah's Witnesses - who deny the Holy Spirit, the Crucifixion, the identity and deity of Christ (absurdly demoting him to Michael the angel) and even the resurrection - and who know that they will never get to heaven - are the only true Church? Maybe I dont need to 'ponder' very much further than self-confessed fraud C T Russell to look at how people are blinded and lured into a cult.
MrJayguess 2 months ago
@MrJayguess Are u a comdeian? I asked u for your meaning with all your scriptual qualifications that should be easy. Tell me who Michael is? He is desribed in the scriptures, (5 places) what's he doing in those scriptures? Russell has unlocked many basic bible truths that were contary to the beliefs and customs of that day. I'll be happy to enlighten you.
inscentof 2 months ago
@inscentof As for Russell - don't forget the 'spiritual wheat' scam, the vast amount of money made by the WT, the control over members scared of disfellowshipping - oh and the time Russell perjured himself in court by claiming to be a Greek expert and then not being able even to recite the Greek alphabet when cross-examined! LOL As I said - a fraud and a charlatan. Any history book (and the court transcriptions - available online) will confirm this
MrJayguess 2 months ago
@MrJayguess Didn't your parents tell you NOT to believe everthing you read and hear? Can you provide this documention? And of course the history books? But you haven't given me your answers to all the Q I asked?
inscentof 2 months ago
@MrJayguess I guess that scripture goes right over your head. It mentions the whole world, what does John mean when he says the whole world?
inscentof 2 months ago
@MrJayguess Why doesn't John go to heaven or David for that matter. Why does the bible repeatly say the meek shall inherit the earth not heaven?
inscentof 2 months ago
Sorry, but this video is absolute garbage. If you want to know why Mr Watchman.com, email me for a full response where perhaps we can discuss Christ's divinity in the original Greek.
In the meantime, look at Hebrews 1:8 (KJV)
"But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.""
God is talking here as in the rest of the passage - so why does he call his own Son 'God'?
MrJayguess 2 months ago
Something off topic that i always think when watching your videos... how can you have a beard and i couldt?
Ex-Watchtower literature student.
alekempire2000 3 months ago
@alekempire2000 Are you a sister?
ewatchmandotcom 3 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom That was a smart answer, but it didnt answer my question.
alekempire2000 3 months ago
The trinity is a lie from Satan, it is no more then a false doctrine and teaching. If you follow the trinity as harsh as it sounds you will die. Learn who Jehovah is and don't fall prey too a silly and false teaching. Love Jehovah.
WishfulThinkment 3 months ago
Not accepting the Trinity is false christian. Bible says church is the Pillar of Truth. That is why R Catholic Church interprets bible led by Holy Spirit. Holds on to Apostolic Christian teachings. Much deterioration of truth that people start rejecting Trinity, even reject easter/lent, reject christmas, reject sunday sabbath, reject any church authority, reject eucharist.
inlight001 4 months ago
@inlight001 You are massively deluded. The Roman Catholic Church has been the tool of the Devil to prevent people from knowing the truth. The Vatican has killed millions of people with countless wars, crusades and inquistions. Catholic priests have rapped and sodomized boys by the thousands. Jehovah is going to destroy your religion.
ewatchmandotcom 4 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom 1st give u credit for not filtering messages as some Evangelical videos sadly do. Second,if u dont accept Trinity we agree on very little.Accepting Trinity is fundamental doctrine for true Christians.U also very bias since Jehovah Witnesses believe other religions/groups are false.Other false belief is that there is no hell & soul can die.Person cant compare 2000yr Catholic Church history with JW 141yr history.Are also abuse cases in JW church.Just see suit by Erica Rodriguez
inlight001 4 months ago
bagatelox 4 months ago
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ewatchman, please tell me where Scripture says that Jesus ever left his human form. Remember that Scripture never speaks of spiritual resurrection only bodily.
epidome 5 months ago
wow very very very good vid thank you my friend
russano5132 6 months ago
@Contendforchrist,you care to share Mr.Know-it-all
czyztko 6 months ago
11 people do.
JahsProphecy 6 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom Why do Jehovah's Witnesses misrepresent Christian doctrine? Is it purposely done?
ContendForChrist 6 months ago 4
@ContendForChrist Jehovah's Witnesses do not misrepresent Christian doctrine. The real question is, why do the churches teach doctrines of demons?
ewatchmandotcom 6 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom Indeed they do. I speak to many JW's daily and whenever they define a doctrine, they do so incorrectly. It is a common theme among Jehovah's Witnesses. I've watched several videos that you have posted and you seem to be a very intelligent man. In many of your videos you capable of defining and explaining complex ideas, and yet, when it comes to defining Christian doctrine correctly you are incapable. Why? In this video for example you have misrepresented several doctrines.
ContendForChrist 6 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom Indeed they do. I speak to many JW's daily and whenever they define a doctrine, they do so incorrectly. It is a common theme among Jehovah's Witnesses. I've watched several videos that you have posted and you seem to be a very intelligent man. In many of your videos you capable of defining and explaining complex ideas, and yet, when it comes to defining Christian doctrine correctly you are incapable. Why? In this video for example you have misrepresented several doctrines.
ContendForChrist 6 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom Hey Bobby baby! How ya doin'?
The Jehovah's Witnesses DON"T misrepresent Christian Doctrine huh?
Do you think they misrepresented the Early Church Fathers on page 7 of your "Trinity" booklet. You can catch it on the WT website as well.
The ECF's said Jesus was God. The WT presents them as denying that.
Would you like to admit the WT misrepresented the Early Church Fathers...
or...
would you prefer to debate the issue sir?
Merry CHRISTmas : )
Bill
TheSnarkyApologist 2 months ago
@ContendForChrist
The real question is why hasn't the majority of Christianity awoken to the paganism that crept into the church from the Council of Nicea forward.
The JWs, among others in the late 1800s started to uncover this mess by studying the bible.
singlecellorganism13 5 months ago
@singlecellorganism13 That's ridiculous
ContendForChrist 4 months ago
Do you? There are four traditional types of evidence. They include real, demonstrative, documentary, and testimonial. Documentary evidence is also a kind of real evidence. The laws governing evidence are rather complex, but there are three basic "prerequisites" for admissibility, they include relevance, materiality, and competency. You're operating on God with a copy of a copy to the 15th power! Plus it's on material 2000 yrs. old and in 6 or 7 different languages you'll never know. Want help?
shizzleman8 6 months ago
Jesus is a Jewish Rabbi BEFORE he was the founder of Christianity. Did you know for instance that Israel has a higher number of degreed citizens per capita than any other country? Israel leads the world in science also. It's a Judao-Christian ethnoreligion that you're attempting to mack on, but you don't have any credentials. 15 million life after death experiences in the USA alone, Jesus sure knew about that!
shizzleman8 6 months ago
You're missing a ton. We have beliefs and NO, sorry fella, but they're not inherited. They aren't issued to us by our environment either. How many hours have you spent thinking about what it is that you're saying exactly? 15 minutes? You're ripping out of context from time, circumstance, place, and participants what can't be in order to demonstrate a point of your own making. Everything Jesus did and said and prayed made not only HE, but US equal with God. You got 3 minutes of my time.
shizzleman8 6 months ago
Also the Trinity rejects Jesus as Christ...Look What John said in 1 John 2:22 " Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the anichrist, the one who denies the Father(Jehovah) and the Son(Jesus).."
10lelegurl 6 months ago
@10lelegurl This text is NOT about the Trinity, but about the divine Father/Son relationship. John is emphasizing
that is not enough to believe in God, but that it is also essential to believe in His Son. THE Holy Spirit is not even mentioned here. Where do you get the idea that the Trinity rejects Jesus as Christ? The text is simply saying that those who do not recognize this relationship are liars and antichrist.
edpanu1960 4 months ago
Man you Trinitarians..you guys dont get it..There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD he is Jehovah, no one else. Jesus is the son of God. If not why did Jesus said John14:28 " My Father is greater then I"..And John 17:3 " Their taking knowledge of you the Only true God"...
So Trinitarian!!...the only way we can recieve everlasting life is Taking knowledge of Jesus Father Jehovah
10lelegurl 6 months ago
@10lelegurl What I don't get is JWs faulty logic. Jehovah is the only TRUE God, which I agree with, and yet Jesus is "a god" besides Jehovah. It seems like you believe in more than one God, and yet the Scriptures say that there was no other god before Him and NONE CREATED after Him.
edpanu1960 4 months ago
I don't mean to be offensive by saying this but this guy is an idiot.
Straight from his first premise... his logic is flawed.
Sounds like a parrot of Richard Dawkins
CutClip 6 months ago
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Jesus Christ is Lord !
CutClip 6 months ago
I have never heard a reasonable response from a trinity believer to answer the question of Jesus handing back the kingdom to his Father and becoming subject to his Father which happens at a future time. That scripture is solid proof that there is no trinity, and that Jesus is not God Almighty but his Father is.
SkinnyAndShort 6 months ago
and thesnarkyapologist reply just kinda made our argument sound better. i say that because you used solid scriptures to support that there is only one god the father and he used scriptures like john 8:58 which is one of the worse verses to prove the trinity. I love what you are doing and keep up the good work.
rynsinnott1 6 months ago
hey robert. well done on this video. the sad thing is as well as you present the evidence and how much sense you make and how clearly you explain why the trinity can not be, people will still believe in the trinity. I was looking at ephesians 1:3 and it says blessed be the God and father of our lord Jesus Christ. It shows us right here that Jesus has a God. Also, sorry to hear about your dad. i lost a good friend to a car accident the same week you lost your dad.
rynsinnott1 6 months ago
The trinity rejects jesus as the christ...and jesus exposed the trinity as a lie.(luke 4:8; john 17:3 john 20:17)
czyztko 6 months ago
I can't believe that there's people out there that believes in the trinity...lol...
czyztko 6 months ago
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I notice that ewatchman won't accept my video response on here. I wonder if it has to do with fear that his argument against the Trinity is undone by it? If this video is true and completely dismisses the Trinity as irrational, illogical, nonScriptural and nonscientific than I wonder why he won't let my video response isn't being posted on here which shows the Trinity to be all four of these!
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IMJW1000 6 months ago
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wow bill gave u a thorough thumping in his video did`nt he. verse after verse he debunked ur MAN MADE NONSENSE ideas.
arnie365 6 months ago
@arnie365 I have the firm belief that arnie365 is the stupidist man that has ever walked upon the face of this earth. I have spoken with His Stupidness myself. I would love to see a face off between arnie and Robert.
XChineseNewYearX 6 months ago
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arnie365 6 months ago
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@XChineseNewYearX " have the firm belief that arnie365 is the stupidist man that has ever walked upon the face of this earth"
well thank u very much for the insult ! it`s almost as good as the one where u used the foulest language to insult me. thank u very much.
b4 u go round calling ppl stupid remember that u used an APPOSTATES video to try and humiliate me. am APPOSTATE. someone who bad mothes and ridicules ur faith as if it were sewage. that is the person u used as ur defense. GENIUS!
arnie365 6 months ago
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@XChineseNewYearX AS FOR ROBERT... ANY TIME!!! I USE THE WORD OF GOD AND HE USES THE WORD OF MAN SO IT`S LIKE A SHOWDOWN WITH ME HAVING A LOADED 45 MAGNUM AGAINST A WATER PISTOL
arnie365 6 months ago
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@XChineseNewYearX " I have the firm belief that arnie365 is the stupidist man that has ever walked upon the face of this earth"
SINCE UR SUPPOSED TO BE SOOOO INTELLIGENT U DO KNOW THAT ROBERT HIMSELF HAS TURNED AWAY FROM THE WTS DON`T U? that means he is an APPOSTATE!!! hahaha u sure know how to pick them don`t u hahahaha
arnie365 6 months ago
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Acts (20:28) Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. By no mistake do the Scriptures make clear that the blood of Christ is the blood of God! 1 Timothy (3:16) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
epidome 6 months ago
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Jesus has a father and a God because he is a man, a human being . Jesus is revealed to be God in the flesh numerous times in Scripture, Hebrews (1:8) Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever - If this be said of the Son of God, i.e. Jesus Christ, then Jesus Christ must be God & Titus (2:13) while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,... Jesus is a human being that has everything humans have but the eternal Word is also in him!
epidome 6 months ago
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There is no way to reconcile the Scriptures pertaining to Christ without the Trinity. Attempts to do so have lead to the blasphemous altering of Scripture to bring Christ down from being God in the flesh, a prime example is the NWT in Colossians(1:16,17)the uninspired word other has been inserted 4 times against the Greek, John(8:58)The Greek word-for-word rendering states I am instead of I have been. Because God's nature is revealed as the Trinity false gospels must alter Scripture to deny it.
epidome 6 months ago
What a showman.
Where is your coffee and rocking chair?
JAT002 6 months ago
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WE DO NOT TAKE OFFENCE IN THE QUESTION :"Do you believe in nonsense?
BUT RATHER IN YOUR PRIDEFUL ARROGANT DERIDING WAY YOU PRESENT THIS QUESTION. WHICH REMINDS US OF SATAN'S PRIDE WHICH YOU SEEMINGLY HAVE ADOPOTED.
Ni1234ckA 6 months ago
Jesus can have a God and a father because he is fully human. You don't see the contradictions of trying to believe in the Bible without believing in the Trinity.
epidome 6 months ago 2
@epidome More nonsense. Jesus is said to have a God and Father after he left his human form. As I pointed out in the video, Jesus hands over the kingdom to his God and Father. This is still a future event.
ewatchmandotcom 6 months ago
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@ewatchmandotcom , the problem in this is that Jesus never left his human form. Every time the Bible speaks of resurrection it speaks of a body not spirit, a spiritual body. Jesus proved his flesh in the resurrection twice. Jesus can give the kingdom to his father because he is a man and the father can say of the son, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. I have offered a video response to this one the clearly reveals the Trinity
epidome 6 months ago
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@ewatchmandotcom , come see my video I posted in the comments section on your channel and that I made a video response to this one if you want a rational, logical, Scriptural and scientific explanation of the Trinity. If you don't allow it to be a video response I will know that it is because it irrefutably reveals the Trinity and you won't let it on here to challenge what you are saying. Don't get me wrong either I like you a lot and and care about you, You are good for historical Christians.
epidome 6 months ago
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epidome 5 months ago
To the “Sarky Apologist” about point #1. quote –
(God Is Incomprehensible)
You lost me at “HELLO”
You made “your” point so why even bother uttering even one syllable further –
End Of Story – and what a pathetically sad one it is!
You show your Christian nobility by mocking piggy backed on some one else’s work.
You would not even exist in cyberspace if not for “Bob” – how disrespectful -
brianomdahl 6 months ago
Again what you believe to be true does not involve God. Your understanding is of you, and noone else. The Lord give you understanding I pray.
MrTimeinabottle 6 months ago
What you fail to understand is that Jesus emptied himself of his divinity because he did not think it something to cling to. This was the only way that the law could be fullfilled and the only way that Christ could live a sinnless as a man. For it was only of value when done as a man, void of his divinity.
The law was only fullfilled once someone had lived out their life obeying the law and never sinning. Only then could the old covenant be replaced.
Con't
TrustinJC 6 months ago
@ewatch Pt 2 Your very atheistic arguement that I am a Christian because of where I was born holds no water in a multicultural society like Canada. My believe in God and Jesus being God has nothing to do with where I was born.
Jesus certainly did declare himeself as God. This was, afterall, the very reason that he was crucified. But since his charge was blaspheme because he claimed to be God, and since we are told that he was innocent of all charges, this means he was who he claimed to be
TrustinJC 6 months ago
@TrustinJC John 17:5 >> John 17:3
bagatelox 6 months ago
@bagatelox Those passages do nothing to refute the trinity. Having the very unique dual nature of both man and God Jesus spoke both from the perspective of man and God. He had to be begotten as a man and had to live out a sinnless life as a man. To be fully human meant he had to empty himself of his divinity.
So what does divinity mean to you? How could he empty out his divinity if he were not God. What did he empty himself of?
TrustinJC 6 months ago
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@TrustinJC "Having the very unique dual nature of both man and God" These are things that you presuppose. You make your presuppositions of an absolute truth. Beware of your presuppositions. Matthew 16:6 "So what does divinity mean to you?" >>Exodus 7:1 but John 17:3
bagatelox 6 months ago
p.s I am NOT a trinitarian.....but look at that proof thing, it's a religion. look up religion as a word. take care and be well and have fun.
thepixieful 6 months ago
belief and proving an argument are two different kettles of thinking.......have whatever belief you wish but don't attempt to prove or argue or logic your way out of it, I had a lifetime of that so I speak from experience........
thepixieful 6 months ago
God has brothers? But Jesus Christ have!
God have other God about himself? But Jesus Christ has his God! John 20:17
bagatelox 6 months ago
Even if I weren't a Trinitarian, I would think your arguments were pretty weak. And perhaps this is one reason why many Trinitarians remain what they are. If I leveled such simplistic arguments against your position, I am sure you'd feel the same way.
theapologeticfront 6 months ago
@theapologeticfront Stop pretending to be some sort of intellectual. You have no argument. Just admit the fact that you prefer to believe in nonsense. Be honest!
ewatchmandotcom 6 months ago 2
@ewatchmandotcom see, this is exactly what i'm talking about. If you want to see some arguments against the Trinity that are actually worth thinking about, go to my blog where I debate David Barron on the deity of Christ. If you want to get Trinitarians to think, present good arguments.
theapologeticfront 6 months ago
@theapologeticfront Yawn. I an not interested in 'arguments.' Only the truth. You might even be good at arguing. But so what? That doesn't mean anything. The truth is the only thing of any value.
ewatchmandotcom 6 months ago 2
@ ewatchman I totally agree with you. But it still leaves the question why would Christ need a second heavenly nature and name? all of the other names of Christ are a description of his position. Micheal is describe as a different heavenly figure. Even though Christ is call a archangel, he's not call the only archangel. I love watching your videos. I grew up as a witness for 20 years and agree with a lot of your understanding of the word. Keep preaching the good news.
thad7078 6 months ago
I agree with trinity is nonsense. But I want to argue that the thinking that "Micheal is Jesus" sounds like the same nonsense. Just because they both are called an archangel and will bound satan doesn't mean they are the same person. Jesus is The Word,The lamb, ect. Never another name. If Jesus is Gods son with all the powers that come with that name. Why would he have to turn into a completely change name and being? Jesus never has to pretend or become someone else.
thad7078 6 months ago
@thad7078 Jesus is the name Mary and Joseph gave to the baby. It is a derivative of the Hebrew name Joshua. But Christ lived in heaven long before the Hebrews even existed. Since Christ has lived in two different worlds, and existed in two totally different forms, it is entirely appropriate that he have two different names. To make the point, the chosen ones who are to share with Christ are said to be given a new name.
ewatchmandotcom 6 months ago
Robert – You really out did your self this time—
Wow; I have not laughed so hard in months a real belly laugh –
A true master piece of logical reasoning – as always thanks for your unquenchable drive to set maters strait..
Brian
brianomdahl 6 months ago
The saddest thing that happens is that although the doctrine of the Trinity is a smoke that is between the mind of the people and the Bible, those who believe in the trinity do not respect those who do not believe, simply calling them heretics. Those who believe in the trinity do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, in the end, because they do not believe that Jesus is God's creation. "But these have been written down that YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God."
bagatelox 6 months ago
The trinity explained. God said to himself to come down to earth to save mankind, so God put himself into mary's womb to be born on earth, when he was grown he then let himself be tempted, prayed to himself, gloried himself, died then rose himself back up after 3 days, returned to heaven, to become God again......lol!!!!!!!!!
bonzdee 6 months ago
and the Watchtower teaches that Jesus is Michael the archangel. Wow, the Word who was in the beginning and was with God can transfer from being the Word to Michael to Jesus to Michael and then back to Jesus.
dallywally72 6 months ago 2
@dallywally72 oh and a god
dallywally72 6 months ago 2
I was born in America, raised by JWs. But I ended up as an atheist. All religions are nonsense from my perspective. Even if the non Trinitarian concept appears to make more sense to me personally, that's not saying much when the bigger picture makes even less sense. Things like blood sacrifices, talking animals, magic and sorcery; I have see no reason to believe any of that is true. I say this with all sincerity. It just seems improbable that an all powerful God would design things this way
anzwertree 6 months ago
Lucifer, the god of this evil world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe, so they are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News that is shining upon them. They don't understand the message we preach about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
Praise Jehovah , in all you do!
selec21 6 months ago
would you agree that God is the king of drama? how much easier would it have been for Jehovah to forgive Adam and Eve in the garden. Look at the account. What happened after they ate the fruit? They became ashamed. They were sorry. They raised their children to fear and respect god, and yet no forgiveness was possible? A perfect man had to later be born who would understand the issue, and lay down his life. However, Jesus was not as 'innocent' as Adam. Adam was as innocent as a baby.
thetruthrover 6 months ago
@thetruthrover I asked same thing, and what I was told made so much sense to me. Adam n Eve were perfect beings set in a perfect garden, and had a one to one relationship with God. They had 2 simple commands and there punishment was laid out plain to them if they did not obey.
1)Become fruitfull fill the Earth, and subdue it.
2)Do not eat from the tree of Knowledge of good and bad.
God is perfect in everything even justice. They were given every advantage and choose Satan over Jehovah.
Josiahvidz 6 months ago 2
@Josiahvidz let's say a father tells his son not to touch the stove because it is hot. if the father sees his son reach out to touch it anyway, the father may stop his son, or he may let him get burned to teach him a lesson. either would be acceptable. but in either case, it is not a matter of life and death. Jehovah should have stopped Adam; this was life or death...for billions. Since he chose to look the other way, he should have forgiven. And i don't mean by having his other perfect son die.
thetruthrover 6 months ago
@thetruthrover Ok, but do you follow him all his life and decide what is dangerous. No, eventually as your child grows you must eventualy let him go and he must choose for himself what is dangerous and what is not. The scriptures prove that Adam and Eve were counseled on this many times as Eve claimed that they were not just to eat, but not to even look at the tree. God created us with free will and set us in a perfect environment and taught them one comand to prosper and they failed not God.
Josiahvidz 6 months ago
@thetruthrover In that case, we have his first born of all creation, Jesus, which Proverbs 8:22 to 31 tells of his Fathers fondness of him and his fondness of us. His spiritual firstborn remained loyal. NOW we have Adam, the first born of in the physical sense. This one disobeyed the heavenly Father. Jesus although fulfilling his role as a loving son in the spiritual sense also was sent down to fulfill the role in a physical sense of behalf of us not adam, cause he took the place of adam.
bonzdee 6 months ago
@thetruthrover there fore we now have the only begotten son of God his first born of all creation, show his loyalty and love for his father not only in a spiritual sense but also in a physical opening the way for both spiritual and physical, to imitate him in showing tremendous love for our heavenly Father. Jehovah God.
bonzdee 6 months ago
@bonzdee so you're telling me that i not only have to believe that it was loving for God to test us, and loving for him to not intervene on Eve's behalf, or at least warn Adam, but that it was also loving and necessary to send an angel to earth as a man, to die without sin just so God can forgive us, who haven't really done anything wrong except be born? If it happened at all, it was probably Jesus who begged God to save mankind and offered to go down and die for us. Jesus bought us from God.
thetruthrover 6 months ago
@thetruthrover it never happened that way, Jesus begging on our behalf? No, but John 3:16 says. “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. That scripture is famous WORLDWIDE and cannot be interpreted in any other way except how it stands.
bonzdee 6 months ago
@thetruthrover Also this scripture also proves that God does not test anyone @ James 1:13 reads, When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. But God has also given us #1 reason why we fail tests we read that @ verse 14 "But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire." we as Adams offspring also have an inborn tendency to sin. Inherited exclusively by our first parents. Adam & Eve.
bonzdee 6 months ago
@thetruthrover So really, what the world has taught us to believe and what false religions have implanted in us to believe are mostly all LIES!, BUT now that TRUTH is in the earth, which also means there is one true Christian Religion, also in the earth, which after many years of bible studying, and maturing in my spiritual growth and faith, I believe it to be Jehovah's Witnesses and yet I was brought up a Baptist by my grandparents.
bonzdee 6 months ago
@thetruthrover And that's when I really saw how corrupted the teachings of the world and false religion COUPLED by my own imperfections led me astray for the better part of my life, from my youth right up to, till I was like 26 years old I'm 38 now. I now saw the truth as ripping out all what Satan's world had taught me, false religion it's self misleading me to believe, also with imperfection, the truth kind of like smashed and broke it down in me and rebuilt my mind with TRUTH!
bonzdee 6 months ago
i agree that the trinity is nonsense. but i am coming to the conclusion that the bible is also comprised of much nonsense. i'm trying to read the bible, and i can't get past genesis without having some major issues with god. funny thing is, i used to defend many of the very things i am having trouble with. i am an inactive witness, but i believe soon to be disfellowshiped for speaking to my father about my doubts.
thetruthrover 6 months ago
"The scriptures say that God resurrected Jesus, it does not say that Jesus resurrected himself"
Correction:
John 2:19 - Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."
Bibl3Thumper 6 months ago
@Bibl3Thumper exactly, and you were spammed on this comment pff
dallywally72 6 months ago
@Bibl3Thumper It's funny how in 1 scripture (John 2:19) it appears Jesus says he resurrected himself, and that is what you choose to beleive yet there are many scripture that prove it was not Jesus that resurrected himself and these are to be ignored. (Rom. 8:11; 1 Cor. 15:15; Eph. 1:20) Is it possible that you are simply not seeing Joh 2:19 for what Jesus is really trying to tell you?
Josiahvidz 6 months ago
@Bibl3Thumper I doubt you know what Christ meant.
ewatchmandotcom 6 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom The next verses tell what Jesus meant so humans will not be able to twist his words. There needs to be a time in ones life that a person can question what we have been taught. Just because we know what we have been taught very well does not make it truth.To say something is nonsense does not make is so. Robert please use scripture to prove your point, and let the facts prove the truth after all is that not what we are after.By the way what do you believe Christ meant?
pande4509 6 months ago
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@ewatchmandotcom Oh your right, my bad. I guess discussion and thinking stops there now that you have asserted that "you doubt that I know what christ meant"
In other words, that scripture cant possibly mean that Christ was talking about raising his own body because it disagrees with your own presupposed conclusion. Then again, I think it does: scripture defines itself when you read on: JN 2:21 "But the temple he had spoken of was his body."
Bibl3Thumper 6 months ago
@Bibl3Thumper
By obeying God, Jesus could expect that God would resurrect him, as he promised. In a real sense Jesus had a choice to obey God or not; by obeying God he secured his right to resurrection.
singlecellorganism13 6 months ago
@singlecellorganism13 Here is the pont. The scriptures say: The father resurrected him (Galatians 1:1) The spirit raised Jesus (Romans 8:11) and finally, I supported that Jesus raised himself (John 2:19) thats the paradox. Yet Ewatchman stated "Jesus never raised himself" That was the point I made contention with. So with that said, do you have any objections to what I said?
Bibl3Thumper 6 months ago
@Bibl3Thumper Romans 8:11 does not say "The spirit raised him" it says "Spirit of him(God) who raised Jesus" ESV. All scripture point to God being the one whom resurrected Jesus. Jehovah used his Holy Spirit to do so, but still all credit is due to Jehovah God.
(Acts 2:24) But God resurrected him
(1 Corinthians 6:14) But God both raised up the Lord
(Acts 3:15) But God raised him up from the dead
(Hebrews 13:20)God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great shepherd
Ect.
Josiahvidz 6 months ago
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You cannot understand because the Bible says you are spiritually dead and love darkness.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1Corinthians 2:14
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 I like how, Instead of actually rebutting what he says, you say,"You cannot understand because the Bible says you are spiritually dead and love darkness."
XChineseNewYearX 6 months ago
@XChineseNewYearX But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:17,18
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
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IMJW1000 6 months ago
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I must like nonsense. I just watched 18 minutes 8 seconds of it.
dhamamy 6 months ago
I do not like when brothers criticize the trinity because it is a "mystery." Brother, I think something needs to be differentiated. Trinity is not true because it does not make sense to us. Trinity could be true, yet never understand it. It's like the existence of Jehovah. We may never be able to understand how He can exist. No, I don't believe in trinity...
bagatelox 6 months ago
@bagatelox I think you have it reversed. It is not that the trinity is untrue because it doesn't make sense,rather, it doesn't make sense because it is not true.
ewatchmandotcom 6 months ago 7
@ewatchmandotcom I agree.
bagatelox 6 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom wow, how did I come by a place where a bunch of satanists are congregating?
CutClip 6 months ago
I think Satan's goal to promote the trinity is trying to empty the belief of Jesus is son (in the full sense of the word) of God, imagining that Jesus was not one being created. (John 20:31) I like many things which John Piper speaks, but in this sermon I felt sorry for him. desiringgod org/resource-library/sermons/in-the-beginning-was-the-word
How Re 3:14 can be explicated?
Thanks for your efforts, Brother...
bagatelox 6 months ago