Did CIA Doctors Test Torture Techniques on Prisoners?

[chrisbarry44]

name these physicians. nevermind theyre above the law

[Roselime1]

I'm a victim of something called organized stalking and electronic harassment. Some of us believe that this is non consensual human experimentation that may be related to either governmental agencies or defense contractors. It is my hope that a FULL investigation into the torture at Guantanamo will help uncover our problem and lead to investigations into the use of directed energy weapons, psychological harassment and torture on US citizens.

[vic8428]

torture is ineffective at getting actionable intelligence from people. it is unethical an morally wrong. Why is it alright for us to do it on our enemies then we scream bloody murder when it happens to our personnel? I think Obama made a huge mistake in not charging his own people with war crimes. It sets an poor precedent almost condones this sort of behavior the bush years were a brand new low for America.

[mryumyums1234]

@vic8428

Because vic, our leaders and military understand that morality can be a detriment if you want to keep up in the global arena. Every day thousands suffer and die in ways we cant imagine, their lives short and brutal, adding no value to this earth except the nutrients of their decomposing corpses. Morality? Ethics? While necessary to keep a society running, have no use on the battlefield. There is a reason the white knight always loses.

Then again, maybe im just an idiot.

[vic8428]

@mryumyums1234

I love people who have morals only when it’s convenient; I believe that is called moral dissonance. Thanks batman, but your “white knight” theory is a little off… or perhaps I’m just any idiot, and Hitler just got a bad rap

[WikeddTung]

every single doctor on the cia payroll should loose his license. shoot first, ask questions later.

[mryumyums1234]

I dont see why we have a problem with this. Techniques such as this are required in our world today, not having the knowledge of how to hurt and torture would be an extreme disadvantage to our intelligence and would directly result in more lost lives from the lack thereof. We must be pragmatic in how we look at the value of life.

I'm sure this is only one of many cases like this, a 'full scale investigation' would simply be a waste of resources.

[junkbx3r]

@mryumyums1234 Sorry if this offends you- but I think you are a pathetic excuse for a human being, for advocating the use of torture. In terms of being "pragmatic", it has been demonstrated, time and time again, that torture doesn't produce anything of value. The quality of intelligence has actually been severely compromised by the use of torture. But that's besides the point. You're just sick if you deliberately de-value life of any kind.

[mryumyums1234]

@junkbx3r

maybe i am a bad person, but no ones counting.

i agree that torture is very clumsy and the information gained sometimes useless but, I think intelligence agencies understand this and have tuned their methods as a result. There is a reason we still use it today, as ineffective as you may make it sound.

I treat people well and am very compassionate in my surface encounters, but I am not going to kid myself that every human life is valuable. Morality is subjective.

[junkbx3r]

@mryumyums1234 Sorry champ, but you're just another sadistic young man who thinks that Might is Right. Frankly- it's the calling-card of the facist, and of the budding sociopath. The mere fact that you use the term "surface encounters" is setting off all kinds of alarms. Psychological help is out there, champ, and you need some of it. I'm not joking.

[mryumyums1234]

@junkbx3r

I actually used the term surface encounters in a satirical sense that I got from the movie "get him to the greek". =] I am not a Social Darwinist and I am also not a fascist. Please don't be that pretentious bitch that thinks he can psychoanalyze somebody through a couple comments. I actually was in therapy for quite a while for supposed depression and me and my psychologist spoke in depth about my opinion of life and my lack of empathy.

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[mryumyums1234]

He concluded that I am not a sociopath, simply thoughtful, and that I don't need any more professional help. I do not advocate violence and I like to see people happy and pain free. But i also see so many people constantly ignoring others pain while trying to maintain their self-image that they are a 'white knight' by helping a convenient few, or throwing money at something. That's why I feel that morality is subjective and conclude that life has no real value other than what we feel it has.

[vic8428]

@mryumyums1234 you are an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about

[cursingyorick]

Although the CIA insists that MKULTRA-type experiments have been abandoned, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti has stated in various interviews that the CIA routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MKULTRA was abandoned a "cover story----> from wikipedia.

[GBS990]

Obama will perfect this type of health care.

[WikeddTung]

@GBS990 only because bush couldn't even get that right.

[marsCubed]

In New Scientist there have been numerous articles in recent years about how professional organization refusing to torture.

Psychologists for instance ban it in their rules.

For the CIA to actively recruit rogues is disgusting.

There are limits to what is acceptable in a civilized world.

Nobody should participate in torturing others.

Strike, expose it, refuse to cooperate, leak info, organize condemnation of it.

Give the torturers reasons to stop.

become socially responsible human beings.

[OGdank13]

Would you call MK-ultra torture ??

[truvelocity]

Just like the Nazi's. Same difference.

[VeryEvilPettingZoo]

@truvelocity

No. Not just like the Nazis. Not the "same difference".

It's outrageous and immoral and a cause for national shame, but it's not like the Nazis. That would trivialize what the Nazis did.

[log140]

Bush and his administration are the First WAR CRIMINALS of the 21. century... the NEW AMERICAN CENTURY!!!

also i would like to "thank" Obama for "looking forward" and the A.G. for not doing his job!!

[justjacqueline2004]

First lets out those "Doctors" who have taken part in such experimentation.Also lets out the lawyers who demanded this experimentation so that this "lawcap"could be sanitised and legal.Vile playing with words to allay the brutality required to portion out the cruelty required to torture someone.The 20th century had the stigma of the Jewish torture is America now to be the torture beacon for Islam?Is America about to use these tecniques on their own people?

[krm6886]

There just isn't any reason that the CIA should have its own prisoners in the first place. But this makes me wonder how high the authorization went and whether they had adequate oversight. And, while these experiments on prisoners (clearly a crime) are truly awful, I don't think we ought to cheapen its impact or fall into hyperbole by comparing it to the mutilations and exterminations that the Nazis carried out.

[justjacqueline2004]

@krm6886 Experimentation,such as this,were the first steps on the road to the attempted destruction of Judaism.Under torture people will admit anything even the betrayal of an ancient religion.

[krm6886]

@justjacqueline2004 Trust that I'm not belittling this revelation in any way. But there remains a fundamental difference between torture experiments and the Nazi program that saw gases and weapons tested on individuals whose fates had already been sealed. But again, this sort of thing cannot be allowed to happen here. We cannot allow our desire for safety to outweigh respect for human life.

[Richardcuz420]

War Criminals! Nazi bastards!

[jpayne68177]

Meh, who cares. The bigger question is....where is Allah now?

[joel1923]

This is disgusting. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld should all be tried as war criminals. The things these doctors are discussing here are techniques straignt out of Nazi Germany. This is a national disgrace.

[Roselime1]

I'm a victim of organized stalking/electronic harassment. It is my belief that the OS/EH problem is related to torture and non consensual human experimentation at Guantanamo. It is also my belief that perhaps some of this torture/interrogation is related to the supposedly abandoned MK Ultra subproject (not Manchurian Candidate or RSA but INTERROGATION). Please fight to get these crimes fully investigated so that the involvement of governmental as well as CORPORATE entities be fully exposed.

[im4wur2]

If the Bush administration didn't think it was breaking the law with their torture program, then why did they insist that immunities for torture be included in the 2006 Military Commissions Act? Which, by the way, was passed just before the GOP lost their majority in both houses of Congress.

[ferrozm]

I hate the CIA. And to think that people have the gall to ridicule Ron Paul when he advocates abolishing the CIA. It would be the best thing that could happen although who knows what kind of murder they would carry out if any president advocated it.

[ONQproductions]

The problem is, the Bush Administration could only give the order (essentially permission) to commit torture and war crimes... But look at what the Pentagon did! The United States military, in collusion with federal spy agencies, eagerly carried out these crimes against humanity. What kind of people are still in leadership positions in the Pentagon? They've gone off the reservation.

[joel1923]

@ONQproductions Agreed . A massive purge of government is an absolute necessity. The creatures that comitted torture must be brought to justice.

[1RadicalOne]

Now, I am no conspiracy theorist - indeed, I actively ridicule the theories - but as more and more dirty laundry from the Bush Administration is aired, I start to see the seeds of the theories.

[general010]

@1RadicalOne these aren't conspiracy theories - they are war crimes.

[1RadicalOne]

I know, but these are the crystals around which the idiotic "NWO/Freemason/Illuminati/Rept­ilians" theories are likely based.

[joel1923]

@general010 Agree. These are heinous war crimes.

[afterniatis]

sounds about right.