i've been listening to this tune (malibu) since its release in 1998...thanks for posting. I like the pics of young Courtney...before the loss of Kurt, also before her nose job, & plastic surgery, some of which Courtney has told me media shes had some procedures reversed. She says what she thinks and everyone has a right to their opinion in the USA. She minds me a little like Janis Joplin an old hippie mama.
I love this song, it is one of my favorite songs ever with an amazing melody. I am a man, but I am proud that these women have made such wonderful songs. Perfection, body and soul this is.
Does anyone think she can have a career like Stevie Nicks? I hope she continues to fulfill all of her rock star dreams and stays sober for Francis Bean
that was a rather interesting conversation...and a laughable one, too. isn't it lovely to see people stumble through the mess they themselves created? it seems that for some quantity trumps quality... and that's rather fucking laughable if you ask me.
There is a lot to be said for humor here. And I think you guess that quantity has any value at all? These conversations are exactly what was put into them. Some people have more fun than others, and forcing people to be accountable for their statements is hilarious. There is no greater humor than Shakespeare's "Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"
YT has it all, and if you can't laugh about it, it's just not worth it.
You calling the SP commercial on holes end is laughable to say the least. I don't know whats more commercial then the name courtney love (the great cobains gf) LOL. I think your saying that just because they never made it like the pumpkins did. Three people knew who hole was before celebrity suck. That would be "meshing words" might need to get your eyes checked. Don't forget to get the towel from the kitchen before you read this.
Excuse me, and it really pains me to do so, but A) "The Great Cobain was MARRIED to Courtney...And B) You saying they (Being Hole) never made it like the Pumkins is Laughable. Have you ever heard of a little album called Live Through This, which won many awards, and also came out in 1994, 4 years earlier than Celebrity Skin. And if you want to go back further, their is also Pretty on The Inside which preceded Live Through This, which had a pretty good fan base at it's time. Your welcome.
Married, gf no matter. She was the girl blowin em. No i never heard of that album until i wiki'd hole, no one did. They sucked. Didn't know anyone in highschool who listened to them. Bands who had 1 album with 1 hit sold more t- shirts then hole. Whats laughable is your even attempting to place holes success (very small) anywhere near pumpkins. (very big) Now everyone and there mother knew about the pumpkins. They had real talent. Hole is just that. A hole in the wall of music. Thank you.
You idiot, read your post. It says "meshing plates" or maybe you have failing eyes and cranium to boot. See, you get a little holy and self righteous and you can do no wrong. Well your day has come. Get your shit together, Mr. Magoo
Are you fucking crazy??? No one knew who who Hole was until Celebrity Skin???? That is a laughable quote...Yes...her 1994 Album won tons of awards yet no one knew who Courtney Love was until 1998. That has tons of Logic written all over it.....my fellow genius. Half of the the clips, if you watch the video, is from her Live Through This Era....Ever heard of Doll Parts? Violet? Apparently not.
I also had to come back because I was wondering just how on Earth you came to the conclusion that you had me in check to begin with, let alone checkmate.
Also, sir, you are getting far "cuter" than I, with your all-too-apparent stubbornness. XD
....my claim is at least an educated one. I mean no disrespect, but yours reeks of nothing but speculation. Opinions have little to do with this, as far as I can see.
The rumor that she may have killed him is as old as his death itself. An educated one? What has nothing to do with this is EDUCATION. You don't need that to watch tv, look at a few messege boards and open your ears to the streets grapevine. Opinion has everything to do with this. Alot of people are of the opinion she was nothing but a drag on him and maybe so. Even the so-called fact that she DIDN'T kill him is speculation since hollywood yuppie coverups are ever so frequent.
To clarify, my comment was in reference to the phrase "educated guess," in which there is a guess being calculated, but based not on rumors or speculation or the media's perception, but the details known to us at the moment. In this sense, education SHOULD have everything to do with it, or it becomes mindless droning, revealing itself simply as a reflection of what the person in question thinks of the accused.
Consider this before you once again attempt to mock me with convoluted reasoning.
Ya know what though? I don't really belong here. This showed up in the "related videos" box while i was watching videos from a real band. A good band. The smashing pumpkins, but i remembered how awful she looked the last time i seen her on tv. So bad in fact that i had to see if she was really even decent in the first place. Toddles.
We agree that you don't really belong here. I, too, like The Smashing Pumpkins, but I am also of the opinion that Hole is superior.
What you were saying there, at first? "A real band. A good band."? THAT was an opinion. Because art is subject to taste. Whether or not Courtney killed Kurt is NOT a matter of opinion, specifically because it has been decided so by a matter of evidence apparent to the case. You have no case.
Man you are good. I notice that you max out your post lengths, nice work. Disposing and discarding of unused white space in a message is criminal. My God, man you could fill an encyclopedia !
You have tact, grace, and presenting your message as opposed to shoving it down the collective YT throats. I am honoured to have you among my friends !
Well it looks like you maxed out a few white boxes there yourself, making your already irrelevant comment about me doing it look foolish on top of it (try not to pawn yourself in the process) Second, a coverups evidence would suggest she didn't do it, that's commen sense. Speaking of evidence. If courtney not being the murderer of kurt has been decided then so has the evidence which speaks that the pumpkins own hole in everyway since it's evident they crushed the hell out of them in album sales
A coverup's evidence is something that can be noticed. There are several reasons to suggest he would have been suicidal, that he killed himself the way it's been said, and so forth. Anything that's been brought forth to suggest Courtney killed him, you'll notice, never has any actual grounds to claim it. If there were such a thing, my fandom of Courtney and Hole would be shattered. The problem is that I know better. That said, your analysis that the Pumpkins are better includes the...
LOL Wow back so soon? Already? Ok you caught me on the go so i'll respond to this one. Don't even try to get cute. Hole is garbage compared to pumpkins (in my opinion) SP has about 100 times the fan base, sold more records included one of the best selling albums of the 90's and have 5 times as many hit's. You really don't have much ground to walk on in this conversation.
Only that "Live Through This" is considered one of the greatest albums of the '90s, with "Celebrity Skin" not being far behind.
You're speaking of commercial success. Nothing else. I'm talking about artistic quality, and that's it. Courtney's voice has broken my heart. Billy's has irked me. We're not talking about the same thing. They're both critically acclaimed, and they're probably neck-in-neck. I am moved more by Hole than the Smashing Pumpkins. There is no argument.
You are correct and I am most sure many others will agree with your statement. Marketing number statistics (objective) have no relationship to how good a band is (subjective) Maybe people will learn this before popping off about how great their "pop" band is and how pointless and foolish an argument it is !
Have you ever checked music sales statistics and fan base to make sure you listen to the right bands? - - - - Yea, that's what I thought.
"much ground to walk on" WTF does this mean. You are citing an opinion about SP, and I don't agree with you. Just because a band sells more records and has more fans does not exactly pinpoint the reason for their success. I think Hole is much better than SP because SP are more "commercial" than Hole. Your statistics prove nothing. If you like a band then that all that really has to happen, and if you dislike Hole, why are you continuing to troll these videos? Can't stay away from her, can you ?
"Album sales = quality" argument, which doesn't make any sense in the context you're trying to present, so I'm not even going to bother to talk to you about it unless you come up with a sort of critical analysis that doesn't take popularity into account. Again, art is subjective.
Also again, NO. See, because whats known at the moment or that ever may be spoon fed to the public could all be garbage and alot of the times it is. It's more opinion and education really plays no part. A matter of fact an educated person would believe very little of whats revealed to be supposable fact. Not 2 sides of the story, but 3. Yours, mine and the truth.
Now you're talking about skepticism, and very poorly, at that. An educated person could come to any conclusion. A person making an educated guess would consider all the facts presented before making a decision based on the logic appearing to be most sound. A skeptic WANTS to believe in anything said, but has reservations, and asks questions, leading them to what the truth would be. The truth is what I'm after. You've yet to convince me otherwise.
How would you possibly know what an educated person believes?
This has got to be one of most poorly written posts I have read, not to mention that once again, YOU SAY NOTHING - you say education plays no part (your defense?) then you jump to what an educated person believes. Your logic is infected with acute toxemia and will most likely end up in a persistent vegetative state if you don't move on with your life, and quickly.
No, i believe thats where your going to end up if you keep trying to spin words that don't mesh like plates. I'm glad i've gotten you so worked up. Almost this HOLE <===They suck page is filled with your comments. Now my OBJECTIVE which is not SUBJECTIVE is fulfilled. I can see you sitting at the keyboard almost breaking a sweat in your anger ready to type me down. LOL Alright next board.
Are you kidding me? Personally, I think it is you who was sweating, and furthermore I have a sense that all your action and movement *still* add up to nothing more than noise.
FYI: I am a captain of persistent vegetables
Is your comment about meshing plates a complement?
Finally, why aren't you rocking out to your popster band with all the record sales and fan base. You know what is going on here, right? Lack of record sales and no fans, *but* there is some quality dialogue happening !
You know what I know? I know you don't belong here. You taunt with absolutely nothing but "I Love The Smashing Pumpkins" and no one really cares. Your comments are vacant, you have nothing positive to say, and talk about fragments of lies about the death of KC in fact you sound like you know nothing at all, just another onlooker.
Grow up and get on with your life, and leave the Hole fans alone, and whatever you do:
DON"T LET THE DOOR SMACK YOU IN THE ASS ON YOUR WAY OUT.
Gee, I wonder why it would pop up in a Smashing Pumpkins 'related videos'....could it be that her and Billy Corgan dated years and years ago and they are still great friends....Hmmm...as a matter of fact he's been helping her work on her new album. That could be why that happened. Oh,,,,No,,,,Your Hero Billy associates with what you call trash!!!!
EVERYONE LISTEN: Get the stats on manson, STAT (that's operating room lingo) need record sales and fan base. Must compare to the golden standard of Sma~ Pum~ to check for BAND VIABILITY, if it's negative, pull the plug on manson, we can't risk associating with a hack band with no talent who's not raking in pop style cash. STAT. (that's the operating room lingo again)
Oh, no. This is all about you, right ? I would hate to see anyone dip below the golden numbers for a viable band. I could not live with myself should you have to suffer for any reason or being tormented about your personal choice of music.
Welcome AV ! Were just settling in to get started here ! Join the vapid and useless games to make yourself more confident in your selection of personal bands based on record sales and the number of fans - DON"T LAUGH ! this is serious !
Although it lacks the lustrous sonic sheen of the studio version, I think that this is a nice raw live demo version of the song. Cool vocals and bass playing too.
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if you have any feelings of sympathy toward courtney, please read Love &Death, shes just a selfish , greedy, devious snake. poor frances doesnt have a chance. RIP Kurt
she was definately involved , so she didnt pull the trigger herself, im having trouble arguing with the circumstancial evidence surrounding that case. she most likely had it done.
the lyrics to this song reach out to me. i love Courtney's whole persona. her transformed image and everything. she layed on rock bottom and came back to the surface. she deserves better than the abuse you worthless bastards throw at her!
awsome song!!!! This songs was written about Kurt Cobains stay at a rehabilitation clinic in Malibu, California. The song was nominated for a Grammy Award . It is co-written by Billy Corgan.
Facts: great band. Great songs. Even greater actress. She ROCKS, whether her character is 'good' or whatever. She WILL remain in the music history. And I could go on...
Whatever happened between her and Kurt is GONE and truth is, we will NEVER KNOW IT. Get over it, ppl.
I couldn't agree with you more. Don't worry about your shortcomings with the videos. If it is in your passion, you will take full control when the time is right.
Very very cool ! Keep up the great work and rock ON !
Corgan was working with Courtney around this time "Malibu" was written. Billy & Courtney had a thing going when she met Kurt & then found Billy in Chicago with another chick, so she ditched Billy & took up with Kurt-the rest is a sad history
Actually, Erlandson is credit in every single tune, though I recognize and agree this one has kinda Corgan trademark nearly Mellon collie. On the other hand, we really do not need 4 people to write "awful" out. Anyway...great LP isn't it?
The reality is NO ONE KNOWS!! who she is in real life. Yeah she did or do drugs BUT so did Kurt. courtny and Kurt are brillient when it comes to music. Media say shiit all the time.
You think she's 'brilliant'?? I'll say this -- I think this album is brilliant, but not Courtney. Go read the songwriting credits. Courtney wrote about 1/4 of the album. Most of it was written by Billy Corgan. Love is nowhere near as talented as Cobain was.
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Shut your mouth you idiot. Your a fucking youtuber. This song is history in the making. And Courtney did write the whole album you stupid fuck. DON'T talk unless you know what your talking about. I hate ppl like you. Your either Jewish or a nigger.
Dude, seriously. Just admit when you're wrong. I sent you a web link because you obviously don't own the CD w/liner notes so you can see for yourself. If you did, you would find that those songwriters are credited inside the actual CD sleeve! Are you telling me someone screwed up and just randomly listed a bunch of other songwriters on the album and Love never said anything about it? Shit. She's even done interviews about how great it was to work with tose writers. Dumb ass. Grow up.
Love this version.More raw than the studio cut. Whoever actually wrote this tune doesn't matter.The song still rocks.All you haters,get a fucking life.You wouldn't know good music if it smacked you upside your dumbass heads.Nuff said.
if that were true it would seem to reflect even worse on him than it would her wouldnt it? in KC's own words, " a big 'fuck you' to those of you who have the audacity to claim that i'm so naive and stupid that i would allow myself to be taken advantage of and manipulated."
It's a beautiful song. About getting away from it all, a lovely idea for kurt. get some sun, surf some waves. see the beautiful world out there, distract him just enough from the arm- tierer, But elas, the media, with its shameful journalism and papparazi would surely be on the hunt for him, even if he was just catching waves in California. Kurt, Thanks for jamming up all that emotion into catchy riffs and enjoyable melodies. Its raw, real and timeless , It's Nirvana. Great song from Hole.
Great song
tapout87 1 week ago
to Courtney from another Courtney...U are awesome. Talented, strong and beautiful.
92loyola 2 weeks ago
Ho.
husayn1972 1 month ago
I love this song.
001MeTaBoLiC100 2 months ago
is hole the only music on your playlist?
heroindog 4 months ago in playlist Grunge Vids For The UK.
This song is... fucking cool! Ican't stop listen this.
fuckingunicorn95 6 months ago 3
Happy birth to Courtney Love!
Bitching4Blades 6 months ago
Amazing
SeriouslyRandom20 7 months ago
PLEASE ANWSER!! What's that "Kurt" light-sign from? Was that at a Hole concert?
heartshapednirvana 8 months ago
That outro is literally the best thing ever.
alexwilliamson46 8 months ago
Hole and this song is referenced in the book
"220: S I F T I N G
The Alien Battle Royale
or
How we met the Spirit of Kurt Cobain"
by Fysche.
Thank you for being such a profound inspiration!!!!!!!!!
KrishnaWizard 9 months ago
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pdunny20 9 months ago
i've been listening to this tune (malibu) since its release in 1998...thanks for posting. I like the pics of young Courtney...before the loss of Kurt, also before her nose job, & plastic surgery, some of which Courtney has told me media shes had some procedures reversed. She says what she thinks and everyone has a right to their opinion in the USA. She minds me a little like Janis Joplin an old hippie mama.
scottreno40 10 months ago
Su vosa es linda
1994aap 1 year ago
why when i listen that song i feel this anguish?
GODiSWRONGAGAiSRiGHT 1 year ago
@GODiSWRONGAGAiSRiGHT Same here for some reason. Feeling sort of bummed out :/
danslatente 7 months ago
do i hear a twelve string?
1tag2 1 year ago
I love this song, it is one of my favorite songs ever with an amazing melody. I am a man, but I am proud that these women have made such wonderful songs. Perfection, body and soul this is.
Gloriamagnificens 1 year ago
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Wolvereyne 1 year ago
the guitar is too out of tune though stick with trad barre chords
mediattackrecords 1 year ago
great songwriting good job bad a and r and why is it free?
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written by billy corgan!
prdp 1 year ago
this is a sunny song for me
kookieslove 1 year ago
0:43 beautiful
GRUNGEGRUNGERULES 1 year ago
Does anyone think she can have a career like Stevie Nicks? I hope she continues to fulfill all of her rock star dreams and stays sober for Francis Bean
cockycaucasian 1 year ago
Great pictures, i like your video a lot.
nayah1979 1 year ago 2
vote party party qwerrtymnbv
jimmyvirtue 1 year ago
yea
MiikeMo9 1 year ago
Not Pixie-ish at all.
michellestmarie 1 year ago
awer mag mit mir zu chatn oder camn sagt einfach bescheid ja ^^
carterbeckfordces 1 year ago
I think that this is really great :)
Condestruction 2 years ago 6
courtney is just so charismatic, i've only just realised how brilliant of a musician she is.
DRUMMERLORD95 2 years ago 3
Kocham kocham
OldWomen007 2 years ago 2
Absolutely fucking EPIC.
It just does not get any better anywhere !
What a Goddess. What talent and beauty and female strength. Absolute perfection.
Fliedermous 2 years ago 39
Gorgeous
kurtney91 2 years ago 2
Courtney - you are fabulous.
TheKinkyShrink 2 years ago 27
that was a rather interesting conversation...and a laughable one, too. isn't it lovely to see people stumble through the mess they themselves created? it seems that for some quantity trumps quality... and that's rather fucking laughable if you ask me.
hernelle 2 years ago
@hernelle
There is a lot to be said for humor here. And I think you guess that quantity has any value at all? These conversations are exactly what was put into them. Some people have more fun than others, and forcing people to be accountable for their statements is hilarious. There is no greater humor than Shakespeare's "Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"
YT has it all, and if you can't laugh about it, it's just not worth it.
Fliedermous 2 years ago 2
And I will assume your ending the argument because you looked up facts and realized I was RIGHT.
AngelVomit26 2 years ago
No you were wrong
josh571984 2 years ago
Way to add to the discussion, hon.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
I am wrong about what?? That Live Through This came out 4 years before Celebrity Skin?
AngelVomit26 2 years ago
Ok kiddies, Enough time wasted here. A courtney love video deserves nowhere near this much attention...aidos.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
It's spelled Adios, Darling. The one who dies with the most toys wins....
AngelVomit26 2 years ago
@dougfresh514 you're an imbecile.
schroeder666 1 year ago
You calling the SP commercial on holes end is laughable to say the least. I don't know whats more commercial then the name courtney love (the great cobains gf) LOL. I think your saying that just because they never made it like the pumpkins did. Three people knew who hole was before celebrity suck. That would be "meshing words" might need to get your eyes checked. Don't forget to get the towel from the kitchen before you read this.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
At this point? Commercial. Right. In the way the name Fred Durst is commercial.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
Excuse me, and it really pains me to do so, but A) "The Great Cobain was MARRIED to Courtney...And B) You saying they (Being Hole) never made it like the Pumkins is Laughable. Have you ever heard of a little album called Live Through This, which won many awards, and also came out in 1994, 4 years earlier than Celebrity Skin. And if you want to go back further, their is also Pretty on The Inside which preceded Live Through This, which had a pretty good fan base at it's time. Your welcome.
AngelVomit26 2 years ago
You go, girl. Man, you are like Lois Lane !
Fliedermous 2 years ago
Married, gf no matter. She was the girl blowin em. No i never heard of that album until i wiki'd hole, no one did. They sucked. Didn't know anyone in highschool who listened to them. Bands who had 1 album with 1 hit sold more t- shirts then hole. Whats laughable is your even attempting to place holes success (very small) anywhere near pumpkins. (very big) Now everyone and there mother knew about the pumpkins. They had real talent. Hole is just that. A hole in the wall of music. Thank you.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
......*Bursts out laughing* Okay, okay, okay... you can stop now.
I.... don't know where to start here. This is too easy. Can someone dissect this and systematically prove it false for me? Thanks.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
No one knew who hole was until celebrity suck. Thats when you started to hear the name mentioned, and it was for that one song. "celebrity suck"
dougfresh514 2 years ago
You idiot, read your post. It says "meshing plates" or maybe you have failing eyes and cranium to boot. See, you get a little holy and self righteous and you can do no wrong. Well your day has come. Get your shit together, Mr. Magoo
Fliedermous 2 years ago
" Spinning words that don't mesh like plates." Read between the lines retard.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
As in, spinning words like plates, yea get your eyes checked.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
There is no way I would have figured out what you meant by your cryptic message. Am I supposed to read your mind ? Is that some Mark Twain quote ?
Fliedermous 2 years ago
Are you fucking crazy??? No one knew who who Hole was until Celebrity Skin???? That is a laughable quote...Yes...her 1994 Album won tons of awards yet no one knew who Courtney Love was until 1998. That has tons of Logic written all over it.....my fellow genius. Half of the the clips, if you watch the video, is from her Live Through This Era....Ever heard of Doll Parts? Violet? Apparently not.
AngelVomit26 2 years ago
THE BEST
MrMRSISTER1 2 years ago
Oh right, and as i go on my third box i wave back...........this time for good. LOL Oh yea, CHECKMATE! toddles, kisses
dougfresh514 2 years ago
I also had to come back because I was wondering just how on Earth you came to the conclusion that you had me in check to begin with, let alone checkmate.
Also, sir, you are getting far "cuter" than I, with your all-too-apparent stubbornness. XD
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
is it just me or is she look like nancy spungen?
TheSexpistols4ever 2 years ago
i think nothing.
Fogellizicious 2 years ago
Super hot Very talented. What more can you ask for in a Girl
127stv 2 years ago 2
and you know that dork?
areyoustarting 2 years ago
No, he does not. He is just a follower of a bunch of misinformed people who want to avenge the death of Kurt Cobain.
If Courtney were not their target, it would certainly be someone else identified by a "journalist".
Fliedermous 2 years ago
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She killed Kurt. End of story.
0you0fesha0tube0 2 years ago
She did not kill Kurt. There is no story to end.
Courtney Love had nothing to do with the death of Kurt Cobain. He committed suicide.
Further, you have absolutely no proof that your statement is true.
Fliedermous 2 years ago
your right she didnt kill him. She drove him to suicide theres a difference lol
dougfresh514 2 years ago
The difference is your ignorance. Can you prove your ridiculous statement ? Let me answer the question for you: NO
You are not too bright, are you?
Instead of spreading hatred and negativity, why don't you post a positive statement. It will make you feel better.
Fliedermous 2 years ago
I claim you have no grounds on which to base your claim, and, therefore, have no real reason to even believe yourself.
If you do, reveal it, I implore you.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
Your claim is just that, a "claim" and nothing more. However, my opinion is my own, thus the reason i believe myself. thankieeeeeeeee
dougfresh514 2 years ago
....my claim is at least an educated one. I mean no disrespect, but yours reeks of nothing but speculation. Opinions have little to do with this, as far as I can see.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
The rumor that she may have killed him is as old as his death itself. An educated one? What has nothing to do with this is EDUCATION. You don't need that to watch tv, look at a few messege boards and open your ears to the streets grapevine. Opinion has everything to do with this. Alot of people are of the opinion she was nothing but a drag on him and maybe so. Even the so-called fact that she DIDN'T kill him is speculation since hollywood yuppie coverups are ever so frequent.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
As far as you can see? You can see nothing. You can see as far as your own opinion thats all. There, hows that for your EDUMACATION. LOLOLOLOL
dougfresh514 2 years ago
To clarify, my comment was in reference to the phrase "educated guess," in which there is a guess being calculated, but based not on rumors or speculation or the media's perception, but the details known to us at the moment. In this sense, education SHOULD have everything to do with it, or it becomes mindless droning, revealing itself simply as a reflection of what the person in question thinks of the accused.
Consider this before you once again attempt to mock me with convoluted reasoning.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
OMG if I did not know I would suspect that it was one of mine, except maybe better.
You rock !
Fliedermous 2 years ago
Ya know what though? I don't really belong here. This showed up in the "related videos" box while i was watching videos from a real band. A good band. The smashing pumpkins, but i remembered how awful she looked the last time i seen her on tv. So bad in fact that i had to see if she was really even decent in the first place. Toddles.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
We agree that you don't really belong here. I, too, like The Smashing Pumpkins, but I am also of the opinion that Hole is superior.
What you were saying there, at first? "A real band. A good band."? THAT was an opinion. Because art is subject to taste. Whether or not Courtney killed Kurt is NOT a matter of opinion, specifically because it has been decided so by a matter of evidence apparent to the case. You have no case.
As you were saying, toodles! *waves hand*
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
Man you are good. I notice that you max out your post lengths, nice work. Disposing and discarding of unused white space in a message is criminal. My God, man you could fill an encyclopedia !
You have tact, grace, and presenting your message as opposed to shoving it down the collective YT throats. I am honoured to have you among my friends !
Fliedermous 2 years ago
Well it looks like you maxed out a few white boxes there yourself, making your already irrelevant comment about me doing it look foolish on top of it (try not to pawn yourself in the process) Second, a coverups evidence would suggest she didn't do it, that's commen sense. Speaking of evidence. If courtney not being the murderer of kurt has been decided then so has the evidence which speaks that the pumpkins own hole in everyway since it's evident they crushed the hell out of them in album sales
dougfresh514 2 years ago
A coverup's evidence is something that can be noticed. There are several reasons to suggest he would have been suicidal, that he killed himself the way it's been said, and so forth. Anything that's been brought forth to suggest Courtney killed him, you'll notice, never has any actual grounds to claim it. If there were such a thing, my fandom of Courtney and Hole would be shattered. The problem is that I know better. That said, your analysis that the Pumpkins are better includes the...
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
LOL Wow back so soon? Already? Ok you caught me on the go so i'll respond to this one. Don't even try to get cute. Hole is garbage compared to pumpkins (in my opinion) SP has about 100 times the fan base, sold more records included one of the best selling albums of the 90's and have 5 times as many hit's. You really don't have much ground to walk on in this conversation.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
Only that "Live Through This" is considered one of the greatest albums of the '90s, with "Celebrity Skin" not being far behind.
You're speaking of commercial success. Nothing else. I'm talking about artistic quality, and that's it. Courtney's voice has broken my heart. Billy's has irked me. We're not talking about the same thing. They're both critically acclaimed, and they're probably neck-in-neck. I am moved more by Hole than the Smashing Pumpkins. There is no argument.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
You are correct and I am most sure many others will agree with your statement. Marketing number statistics (objective) have no relationship to how good a band is (subjective) Maybe people will learn this before popping off about how great their "pop" band is and how pointless and foolish an argument it is !
Have you ever checked music sales statistics and fan base to make sure you listen to the right bands? - - - - Yea, that's what I thought.
Fliedermous 2 years ago 2
"much ground to walk on" WTF does this mean. You are citing an opinion about SP, and I don't agree with you. Just because a band sells more records and has more fans does not exactly pinpoint the reason for their success. I think Hole is much better than SP because SP are more "commercial" than Hole. Your statistics prove nothing. If you like a band then that all that really has to happen, and if you dislike Hole, why are you continuing to troll these videos? Can't stay away from her, can you ?
Fliedermous 2 years ago
"Album sales = quality" argument, which doesn't make any sense in the context you're trying to present, so I'm not even going to bother to talk to you about it unless you come up with a sort of critical analysis that doesn't take popularity into account. Again, art is subjective.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
Also again, NO. See, because whats known at the moment or that ever may be spoon fed to the public could all be garbage and alot of the times it is. It's more opinion and education really plays no part. A matter of fact an educated person would believe very little of whats revealed to be supposable fact. Not 2 sides of the story, but 3. Yours, mine and the truth.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
Now you're talking about skepticism, and very poorly, at that. An educated person could come to any conclusion. A person making an educated guess would consider all the facts presented before making a decision based on the logic appearing to be most sound. A skeptic WANTS to believe in anything said, but has reservations, and asks questions, leading them to what the truth would be. The truth is what I'm after. You've yet to convince me otherwise.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
How would you possibly know what an educated person believes?
This has got to be one of most poorly written posts I have read, not to mention that once again, YOU SAY NOTHING - you say education plays no part (your defense?) then you jump to what an educated person believes. Your logic is infected with acute toxemia and will most likely end up in a persistent vegetative state if you don't move on with your life, and quickly.
No one want you here.
Fliedermous 2 years ago
No, i believe thats where your going to end up if you keep trying to spin words that don't mesh like plates. I'm glad i've gotten you so worked up. Almost this HOLE <===They suck page is filled with your comments. Now my OBJECTIVE which is not SUBJECTIVE is fulfilled. I can see you sitting at the keyboard almost breaking a sweat in your anger ready to type me down. LOL Alright next board.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
Are you kidding me? Personally, I think it is you who was sweating, and furthermore I have a sense that all your action and movement *still* add up to nothing more than noise.
FYI: I am a captain of persistent vegetables
Is your comment about meshing plates a complement?
Finally, why aren't you rocking out to your popster band with all the record sales and fan base. You know what is going on here, right? Lack of record sales and no fans, *but* there is some quality dialogue happening !
Fliedermous 2 years ago 2
You know what I know? I know you don't belong here. You taunt with absolutely nothing but "I Love The Smashing Pumpkins" and no one really cares. Your comments are vacant, you have nothing positive to say, and talk about fragments of lies about the death of KC in fact you sound like you know nothing at all, just another onlooker.
Grow up and get on with your life, and leave the Hole fans alone, and whatever you do:
DON"T LET THE DOOR SMACK YOU IN THE ASS ON YOUR WAY OUT.
Fliedermous 2 years ago
Gee, I wonder why it would pop up in a Smashing Pumpkins 'related videos'....could it be that her and Billy Corgan dated years and years ago and they are still great friends....Hmmm...as a matter of fact he's been helping her work on her new album. That could be why that happened. Oh,,,,No,,,,Your Hero Billy associates with what you call trash!!!!
AngelVomit26 2 years ago
Yea and? She messed with manson too who i also like, whats that mean?
dougfresh514 2 years ago
EVERYONE LISTEN: Get the stats on manson, STAT (that's operating room lingo) need record sales and fan base. Must compare to the golden standard of Sma~ Pum~ to check for BAND VIABILITY, if it's negative, pull the plug on manson, we can't risk associating with a hack band with no talent who's not raking in pop style cash. STAT. (that's the operating room lingo again)
Fliedermous 2 years ago
I don't know if you wanna do that. His stats would also make holes look pathetic.
dougfresh514 2 years ago
Oh, no. This is all about you, right ? I would hate to see anyone dip below the golden numbers for a viable band. I could not live with myself should you have to suffer for any reason or being tormented about your personal choice of music.
Fliedermous 2 years ago
Welcome AV ! Were just settling in to get started here ! Join the vapid and useless games to make yourself more confident in your selection of personal bands based on record sales and the number of fans - DON"T LAUGH ! this is serious !
Right-e-o
Fliedermous 2 years ago
4 got about this song!!!! Was one of my faves years ago LOVE IT LOVE IE LOVE IT!!!!!
LiziNewman27 2 years ago 2
fuck she is an aweful singer, fuckin succubus whore, long live kurt.
owenstheused 2 years ago
This acoustic version is so amazing.
That's real music compared to the shit of today.
PeopleVsCourtneyLove 2 years ago 4
Although it lacks the lustrous sonic sheen of the studio version, I think that this is a nice raw live demo version of the song. Cool vocals and bass playing too.
louvalent 2 years ago
I love C. Love!!
w Italy
matteopinix 2 years ago
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if you have any feelings of sympathy toward courtney, please read Love &Death, shes just a selfish , greedy, devious snake. poor frances doesnt have a chance. RIP Kurt
ThankYouSatan420 2 years ago
Courtney killed Kurt
smoky420a 2 years ago
She was in LA when kurt died... long range missile perhaps?
DookNun 2 years ago 3
she was definately involved , so she didnt pull the trigger herself, im having trouble arguing with the circumstancial evidence surrounding that case. she most likely had it done.
ThankYouSatan420 2 years ago
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Watch the video on my channel, asshole!
JusticeForCourtney 2 years ago
Coming from a person named ThankYouSatan420 it would appear you didn't have much of a chance either...
DookNun 2 years ago
this is coming from a guy named DookNun ? are you serious man? xD
ThankYouSatan420 2 years ago 3
hahahaha
DookNun 2 years ago
i love it it´s so much beautifull^^ malibu-feeling XD^^
terrormuffintimon 2 years ago
What a trip to see so many positive comments about Courtney here. She deserves them.
This is a great tribute to a very talented (and beautiful) musician, singer and actress.
What a voice. She ROCKS !
Fliedermous 2 years ago 3
I just had to mention here that this comment made me smile. I couldn't agree more. Thank you.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
Just speaking the truth, according to me.
Fliedermous 2 years ago
Un temazo !
javimetalurgico 2 years ago
This gets better and better the more i hear it.
XxLiveBaitxX 2 years ago
the lyrics to this song reach out to me. i love Courtney's whole persona. her transformed image and everything. she layed on rock bottom and came back to the surface. she deserves better than the abuse you worthless bastards throw at her!
rhoo100 2 years ago 3
Heard this song played at Bar120 on Saturday night, hadn't heard it (or thought about it) in about 10 years! Awesome song!
midnightrambler03 2 years ago
very gooOOOd! ;)
nujuhu 2 years ago
awesome song.its true feelings.
TheGreenBlackbird 2 years ago
awsome song!!!! This songs was written about Kurt Cobains stay at a rehabilitation clinic in Malibu, California. The song was nominated for a Grammy Award . It is co-written by Billy Corgan.
iangearing 2 years ago 2
Courtney does an eternal voice in this one. Love it so much I could cry...
sansorio 2 years ago 4
i love this fuckin track
dzoni1980 2 years ago 3
i love that additional part... it's awesome!!
DeadStar90 2 years ago
this song kinda sounds like a Cranberries song. Especially with the way she's singing.
dodeka 2 years ago
beaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuutiful! Such passion such pure beauty i love love love love it.
Thankyou so much for posting this xx
sammybowen111 2 years ago 3
One of my favorite songs. Two voices really sound great with this one. I think it should've been like this in the studio album.
vow20 2 years ago
amo esta canción :)
esta version en vivo es realmente buena
ntzrockstar 2 years ago
I love this song=))And I like Courtney;)she couldn`t be so bad when she was married with so a sensible and nice guy;))
TheRedMorgan 2 years ago
ya sensible, heroin addicted, and suicidal.
stanada08 2 years ago
He had his problems and dont we all ? nobody is perfect, life isnt as easy for some as it is for others its not all black and white.
Dushdi 2 years ago 2
I like Courtney, she is talented and gets a bad rap but I dont know why.
Dushdi 2 years ago
It's because everyone attributes her to being Kurt's Yoko. Oh, and the whole murder-conspiracy thing.
dodeka 2 years ago
unfortunately she gets fucked up and goes in public. her music is amazing though and is my musical hero. she's getting her shit together though.
blisswhirlpoole 2 years ago
Facts: great band. Great songs. Even greater actress. She ROCKS, whether her character is 'good' or whatever. She WILL remain in the music history. And I could go on...
Whatever happened between her and Kurt is GONE and truth is, we will NEVER KNOW IT. Get over it, ppl.
Great post, THANK YOU!
flickadreams 2 years ago 5
Cool to see a positive comment like this.
True,,,true
Fliedermous 2 years ago 2
Thanks... ;)
flickadreams 2 years ago
I couldn't agree with you more. Don't worry about your shortcomings with the videos. If it is in your passion, you will take full control when the time is right.
Very very cool ! Keep up the great work and rock ON !
Fliedermous 2 years ago
The more I listen to this song THE MORE I LIKE IT!!! =)
\m/,
flickadreams 2 years ago 2
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Fliedermous 2 years ago
Courtney and Billy were great friends. They wrote a few songs together. The songs are amazing.
Get over it.
Billy however didn't have a hand in writing my favorite song on the album "Boys on the Radio."
ZaneSylliboy00 2 years ago 2
Spin Aqua's version is better :p
chaosakita 2 years ago
this song actually makes courtney sound like a singer.
jelly769 2 years ago
Corgan was working with Courtney around this time "Malibu" was written. Billy & Courtney had a thing going when she met Kurt & then found Billy in Chicago with another chick, so she ditched Billy & took up with Kurt-the rest is a sad history
bubbletoed 2 years ago 2
Wow I hear the smashing pumpkins in this song. Thank you for the insight.
Jaime2199 2 years ago
Good song.
reodk 2 years ago
Actually, Erlandson is credit in every single tune, though I recognize and agree this one has kinda Corgan trademark nearly Mellon collie. On the other hand, we really do not need 4 people to write "awful" out. Anyway...great LP isn't it?
fitinshoe 2 years ago
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i hate Courtney .
i love Kurt <3
fionina1 2 years ago
i hate kurt and courtney
tommyejuve93 2 years ago
what the fuck are you watching for, then, dipshit?
jelly769 2 years ago
The reality is NO ONE KNOWS!! who she is in real life. Yeah she did or do drugs BUT so did Kurt. courtny and Kurt are brillient when it comes to music. Media say shiit all the time.
sara6787 2 years ago 7
You think she's 'brilliant'?? I'll say this -- I think this album is brilliant, but not Courtney. Go read the songwriting credits. Courtney wrote about 1/4 of the album. Most of it was written by Billy Corgan. Love is nowhere near as talented as Cobain was.
rovibe 2 years ago 2
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Shut your mouth you idiot. Your a fucking youtuber. This song is history in the making. And Courtney did write the whole album you stupid fuck. DON'T talk unless you know what your talking about. I hate ppl like you. Your either Jewish or a nigger.
SumNJFella 2 years ago
I agree with you. This song will go down in history. Don't listen to the idiot rovibe below.
SumNJFella 2 years ago
You dumbass. I almost feel bad pointing out how stupid you are.
Go read the damn CD sleeve for yourself (if you can read), and see who Love gives credit for the songwriting -
Corgan - 5 songs
Erlandson - all 12 songs
AufDerMar - 5 songs
Schemel- 2 songs
Caffey - 1 song
Zodorozny - 1 song
Love -- lyrics on all songs
Do you feel stupid now? I stated facts. You hurled insults. That's a sign of your poor intelligence.
rovibe 2 years ago 5
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Don't believe everything you read Einstein. SHE WROTE THE WHOLE ALBUM SO FUCK OFF.
SumNJFella 2 years ago
Dude, seriously. Just admit when you're wrong. I sent you a web link because you obviously don't own the CD w/liner notes so you can see for yourself. If you did, you would find that those songwriters are credited inside the actual CD sleeve! Are you telling me someone screwed up and just randomly listed a bunch of other songwriters on the album and Love never said anything about it? Shit. She's even done interviews about how great it was to work with tose writers. Dumb ass. Grow up.
rovibe 2 years ago 4
She wrote the album. DEAL WITH IT. THIS IS ONE OF HER BEST SONGS THAT SHE WROTE. I LOVE IT.
SumNJFella 2 years ago
Love this version.More raw than the studio cut. Whoever actually wrote this tune doesn't matter.The song still rocks.All you haters,get a fucking life.You wouldn't know good music if it smacked you upside your dumbass heads.Nuff said.
KikiRocksurWorld 2 years ago 2
crash and burn...
airsoftFARBbelgium 2 years ago
<3 Love her! <3
pusumisu 2 years ago
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how dare she use the image of kurdt she fucken drove him over the edge, the filty old nag
goblinking169 2 years ago
if that were true it would seem to reflect even worse on him than it would her wouldnt it? in KC's own words, " a big 'fuck you' to those of you who have the audacity to claim that i'm so naive and stupid that i would allow myself to be taken advantage of and manipulated."
moonlily1 2 years ago 2
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JAPBEANER 2 years ago
It's a beautiful song. About getting away from it all, a lovely idea for kurt. get some sun, surf some waves. see the beautiful world out there, distract him just enough from the arm- tierer, But elas, the media, with its shameful journalism and papparazi would surely be on the hunt for him, even if he was just catching waves in California. Kurt, Thanks for jamming up all that emotion into catchy riffs and enjoyable melodies. Its raw, real and timeless , It's Nirvana. Great song from Hole.
enjoyablesounds 2 years ago 2
what are the chords?
StopStaringAtMe0 2 years ago
That reprise is truly inspirational
Really really works !
Awesome, thanks Olivia
SunstoneWeb 2 years ago 2
Risen, I really enjoy this version, it is ironically metaphoric for what was to come for this great band.
The video ending and going to black early really works well and underscores the metaphoric irony.
Excellent contribution !
Thanks ever so much .
Only good things,
John
SunstoneWeb 2 years ago
shes a fun gal. she rocks ...everbody luvs to listen to a good hole track once in a while and jus let loose! WOHOO:)
blabberingfool 2 years ago 6
Three Things I remember about Courtney Love:
1. Lead Singer of Hole
2. Kurt Cobain's Wife
3. When she passed out (rolled off the stool) on MTV in front of a camera crew while she was sitting with Kennedy and Kurt Loder.
BuffaloWings99 2 years ago 6
3 things I remember about Courtney Love:
1.) A Briliant Artist
2.) An awesome Actress
3.) The album this song came on
MediaPointEnt 2 years ago 9
Good comeback
I know that was a sh!tty comment I made
BuffaloWings99 2 years ago 4
she was sitting with MADONNA and kurt loder.
the fucking queen of pop, not kennedy.
goochieguy 2 years ago
So what if your memory is better than mine,
coochieguy
BuffaloWings99 2 years ago
esta canción es impresionante, le sale del alma
joeypapa09 2 years ago