By the way.... YES I DO!!!! I am a devout member of the LDS church and believe everything our prophet says. But if there is something that doesn't make sense to me, I read my scriptures and pray about it. And I do receive affirmitive answers.
I don't usually like to get into stuff on videos like this, but some of your comments are pretty ridiculous.
It's fine that you were once LDS and have chosen a different way. No harm, no foul. But you are trying to equate the Conference Center to a great and spacious building aimed at honoring men when its only purpose is to house as many people as possible in one place to see their leaders.
A spotlight? What else would you do in a situation like that? Turn on all of the house lights?
Hey dude, Mormons do study Bible, and understand it better than u do. Get a decent tie, man, who klows, perhaps someday you can buy one with your adsense money..
that's interesting when u are an inmigrant u have the right to have a seat at the conference even over those guys that lives in UT. besides I don't remember any pictures of the great and spacious building with waterfalls and gardens, actually the most important thing on that building was the poeple mocking at them, just exactly as you are mocking at mormons.
Do u know any other church massively attacked like LDS church?
Why is he wearing a shirt and tie? he should wear a black, or purple or some other color. I bet he was told to repent and change, which probably went against his desires. Only because a weakened faith exist, that does not mean the ONLY TRUE GOSPEL ON THE WHOLE PLANET.
What an idiot this guy is. He disrupts a meeting of religious, devout people doing their best to follow the example of Jesus Christ because, according to him, their doctrine isn't aligned with his particular interpretation of the "word of God." The fact that he believes that his "God" would condone such an action is proof in itself that he is so far from the Spirit that I wouldn't be a part of his "church" if he paid me. Hate these followers of Christ if you must, but leave them alone.
Seems to me your're very gullible then. You''ll probaly be taken in by some other belief down the track.but continue bagging out the morms on Youtube because- ther'e easy, and that makes you a star., right?
This guy is saying that people should test the mormon prophet by the Bible. But the mormons say that the prophet should be tested by the feelings one gets when one prays.
I pray that the mormons do learn to go by the truth of the Bible and not by what the mormon prophet tells them.
@InternetDisciple So after only being capable of addressing 1 out of my 3 scriptures, your argument still fails. In the Peter reference, I did not point out feelings, but that he didn't have to read the Bible, or study, or find proof.
The other 2 scriptures prove the LDS doctrine that you criticize to be completely Biblical. I pray that YOU will stop going by the critical interpretations of men & propaganda aimed at the Lord's Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
"So after only being capable of addressing 1 out of my 3 scriptures,"
Did you not even read my post, my friend? I said "All these examples have scriptures involved. Test the spirit, my friend, against scripture. If it goes against scripture, then it is a false spirit." Let me know if you still don't understand how this addresses all three of your points.
@metallicarox80s I got a warm feeling in my chest, and I prayed and the answer was to kill myself. Everything I believe is therefore Biblically supported. Does your brain only work part ways? You seriously can't see through this fail of an argument? I guess other LDS members cannot either because your comment has lots of positive ratings.
@IndifferentSky Horrific & invalid argument: whether you're attempting satire or serious, your argument FAILS because in it's "attempt" parallel my comment.
@Amalgamaite You claim to enjoy bringing LDS Christians "into the truth," yet you completely ignored all of my several counter-arguments & refutations of his points.
@metallicarox80s You're a fool for believing in Joseph Smith, a false prophet. You need not be refuted. The Bible tells us that no word should be added - no further text will be made an addition to Christian faith without the makers of that text being damned to hell. It also tells us that Jesus is the only savior, and only belief in him is necessary - not Joseph Smith. Read the Bible, read your Book of Mormon, compare with close scrutiny.
@Firequacker Good one! You cited the end of Revelations. You must have come up with that one on your own.
Oh wait a second, you didn't. It was spoonfed to you. Do some original research, because I will easily refute your claim:
1. The phrase is "the book of this prophecy," NOT "the Bible." So don't add to "the book of this prophecy." Where else is that phrase mentioned? The *beginning* of Rev. (1:3) Hence--applies only to Rev.
2. Deuteronomy 4:2 & Proverbs 30:6 have similar commands.
@Firequacker If you're going to interpret Revelations that way, you should use the same interpretation to Deut. 4:2 & Prov. 30:6.
But of course, you're cherry-picking. It happens when you borrow an argument that's been beaten by a dead horse. It happens when you can't come up with your own argument (that's someone else's interpretation of that scripture).
And sorry, but I've carefully scrutinized & read the BOM alongside the Bible at least 10 times each. The doctrine aligns.
Do you really believe this? Come on! Matthew 24 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect...
Behold, he is in the desert; (SALT-LAKE) go not forth: behold,
he is in the secret chambers; (HOLY OF HOLIES) believe it not.
@jonathandavid33 Haha, please. That's a pathetic attempt in which you could only address a small percentage of my references (what about the rich man or the apostles/Matt. 10:22)?
LDS do not believe in a works-based salvation, let's get that out of the way.
And nice try with Matt. 24. SLC is in the mountains more than it is the desert...it's not Vegas or Phoenix. That could be applied in a variety of directions.
You speak in half truths concerning "Saved". All we need is Faith in Jesus to be Saved, however Faith has to be perfected. That is what James was referring to. He was speaking to a people who said they were Saved by Faith, yet they produced no Good Works as the fruit of True Faith, as a Testament to that Faith, not works toward their own Salvation, but through a steadfast Witness of Jesus and Grace without Works is enough to Save.
We are Saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus. Not of Works toward that Salvation. It is a free Gift that cannot be earned. Yet if we say we have a Faith capable of Saving us, yet we produce no Good Works as a Testament of Jesus, then can such a Faith save us? Mormons produce a false testimony of Jesus. They can endure to the end and the end will be no different then the start. Jesus will not claim them.
Man all I can say is you obviously did not have a testimony when you were baptized. Guess what every other church stands in meetings when their leader walks in. The catholics do it when the pope walks in. Man get a life and stop wasting your time trying to put down a church which will never fall because it is the church of Jesus Christ. Those prophets and apostles are called of god as was Peter James, John and all of Christs original apostles.
Dude the building is that big so that it can fit the people who come to watch modern day prophets and apostles speak. Not to signify wealth. Have you seen the amount of people that come. Obviously you have since your their. Their is no way that they are all going to fit in a regular church building.
I am a recent ex mormon. He brings up interesting points but this is also one opinion and should be taken for what it is. I would not go to any church again. Anyone who attempts to argue their church is better is missing the point and falls into the trap that religion creates for them, to destroy one another.
@zcxvasdfqwer1234 Being Christian has absolutely nothing to do with religion, as the New Testament proclaims. This is why Jesus speaks against the Pharisees, they speak with their lips, but their hearts arefar from Him. Its about a personal relationship with Jesus, nothing else. The Bible clearly gives truth and instruction. Take care!
I don't need to compare the TRUTH to you but for the sake of hope that you might open your eyes I have given you the best example which you'll probably never understand because you don't know what spiritual freedom is. Good luck and YAH bless you
Ummmmmmmmmmm...... Yea I don't think so buddy. Who is moroni? Where are the horses of the book of mormon (lowercase) times? Where are the metal steel swords? As far as the New Testament your church is so far behind the Family of Truth and the Revelation of YAH unstained by false interpretations of false prophets and angels and ridiculous imaginations that you don't even realize that you are more pitied than taken serious. We know who our YAH is. You have a strict moral code.
Lie 7..... More just an ignorant statement. If he actually knew his New Testament, he would be Mormon. Because Mormonism is the only religion that in full has every characteristic of the New Testament Church. Catholics and Orthodox Churches come close, but with many issues and losses of truth and practices. They religion you are in now buddy..... NOT EVER CLOSE to what the New Testament says Christ's Church should look like. So, who are YOU to judge LDS??? tisk tisk! :(
@leeuniverse Amen brother. Christs Church is on the earth. Thomas S. Monson is the prophet of god and it does not matter what this psycho says about him. He does have his facts all wrong. He probably just listened to what he was told by others instead of finding out for himself which is what alot of people do. So anyways keep the faith. Thomas S. Monson was called of god as is all the apostles who assist him as was all the prophets and apostles that were before them.
@Deltarocks1 Boy, I must have been tired when I wrote that (well busy and tired, responding to so many falsehoods at the same time), my spelling was atrocious. haa haa :)
Lie 6.... As if LDS don't test every word with the Word of God.... I spent YEARS in multiple of your religions, being beholden to no bias or interpretation and just reading the Bible for myself, and guess what I saw? NONE of your religions fit what the Bible actually said in full and accurately so. Only when I came upon mormonism did a religion fully fit. So, don't tell us who has the doctrines of men & who is the Word. You're not the truth. You have a new "fad", not knowing different.
Lie 5..... LDS leaders speak the scriptures, thus they speak the words of Christ. You can pervert scripture all you want, and say you believe the Bible and we don't, but we believe the same words, just not your man-made religion perversions.
This Church is all about Christ.... You people are sick!
Lie 4..... Complete lie that those men and women on that stand are up there "to be seen of men"..... They are people who have devoted their entire lives to serving the Lord and others, self made men and women who have no NEED to be there, for the didn't after all call themselves like YOUR preistcrafters do.... Supposed "Christians", serving satan your master for trying to destroy other believers, completely going against Christ's words in Mark 9 & Luke 9. He has harsh words for you!
Lie 3.... Completely false that those seats are for the "high rollers" in paying Tithing to the Church. Yes, the seats are reserved for all kinds of "dignitaries", from country's, from business, to families, etc. He is clearly misremembering what he was told because of his anti-mormon mind now, common phenomena with ex-mormons who become anti-mormon, they pervert everything they once knew. Of course, other anti's do the same, but the ex's can't even get simple things they should know right.
Lie 2.... Logical fallacy alert. All kinds of Christians gather under small to large roofs, that does not make any of them, even the Church somehow the wicked in the great and spacious building mocking the righteous who hold to the Iron Rod, i.e. the Word of God.
Lie 1.... False that LDS do not believe that everything prophets say must be tested and compared to everything else. Also false that modern prophet's "trump" previous. It's true words are for our day, so they trump in that way, but not true that the words trump Eternal Doctrine. Doctrine doesn't change, save in certain specialized ways such as when Christ came and fulfilled the Law, creating the Higher Law, and different methodology's and even doctrine i.e. eye for an eye, with forgiveness.
Get a grip--This is not a great and spacious building. How much have you traveled? Have you been to Hong Kong? I think not. You obviously suffer from small town syndrome. Oh, you are wrong about high rollers of tithing -- just our of line. Go get some real world experience and start to see the big picture.
@Eightplex Brother your reply clearly speaks of pride and arrogance 100%. Brother hear me out. Read Galatians 1:6. Muse. Google superior reliability of new testament (CARM dot ORG). Google dead sea scrolls. please brother, I beg you to do these simple things and read them, giving them at least enough respect to read them.
5 ¶And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy acloset, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall freward thee openly.
you are bad, all that you have said is not true, God will punish you at the last day, Thou shalt not bear false witness againts thy neighbor. This is Joel of the Philippines.
If people of the 1830s follow a man claiming to have new revelation thats against God's Word, how easy will it be for the world of today follow the antichrist on a global scale spoken of in the book of Revelation Chpater 13. After Jesus raptures all the born again believers in Him are taken out of the way I Thessalonians 4:13-16.
C'mon bro what did you do to get excommunicated? And you're quoting the Book of Mormon to make your case? You're a fool. It just goes to show that Lucifer can get to anyone. So what "holy-roller" church do you belong to now? There are so many, my word, which one did you choose, just in case I want to leave the LDS Church? Oh do you pay tithes to your preacher, and how much? I have family in holy roller churches that pay EVERY Sunday. Once a month tithe is NOT good enough for them. Let me know :)
awesome video! and this is one big clue that lets us know that this mormon "church" is false
mormons did not allow black people to hold the priest hood BECAUSE THE COLOR OF SKIN. then they come up and say god was the racist one and not the "prophets"...LOL... god would never say "dont let those niggers in my church" this "church" is obviously false because we can clearly see that is just a bunch of old men making stuff up!!
@MALDITTOROKKERO Remember how until after the death of Christ that God's children were only among the Isrealites? How Christ's apostles were to preach among on the Jews only. There is more segregation there than one race......
And then the Apostle Peter, after the earthly life of Christ, had a dream and was commanded to go meet Cornelius, a gentile. Gentiles were believed to be unclean and common.
"Don't let Gentiles in my church" - seriously?? You should have a problem with this as well.
Just to be clear there are many members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who didn't grow up in the Gospel . They had all the so called ''freedoms'' growing up everyone claims on these videos makes them so happy now They left the world behind and have been members from 3 years to 6 years and more and they say they can't imagine their lives without the gospel . So everyone doesn't fall under the grew up brainwashed in the church and glory be I'm finally free to be me catagory .
You need to find some security, otherwise you would not feel to mock anyone. When you were LDS, you mocked. Now, you mock.
Yes, I have, I JOINED the LDS church because it's the most Biblical, and the more I read and study the Bible, the more I know I'm right where God wants me. It's been over 30 years now, and I've never looked back.
@lindalds Isn't that basically an admission that you don't know if the Church was right or wrong in teaching that blacks were less valiant in pre-mortality? Isn't the refusal to denounce this traditional theory (as promoted by LDS leaders in a 1949 First Presidency letter) a form of racism? Sincerely, Aaron.
@aaronshaf2006 As far as I know, THE CHURCH never taught this. Some members believed it, even some GA's, but it was never, to my knowledge, TAUGHT.
The church will never renounce a person's personal opinion or theory about anything. We are entitled to them, we are encouraged to have them. It's not our fault if our enemies want to use them against us. When I was growing up, difference of opinion would produce another church.
@anthonysfirstandlast I joined the LDS church, in large part, because it is the MOST Biblical church. And if you would research correctly, you might see that for yourself.
@anthonysfirstandlast Actually, all those things are Biblical, just not according to your interpretation of hte Bible.
But, I can find all sorts of things about other churches and their beliefs, that have NOTHING to do with the Bible. Starting with such things as the various creeds (Nicene, Athanasian, Westminster confession, etc.). How various churches worship, paid clergy, all sorts of things that are actually handed down from Catholicism, not the Bible.
@anthonysfirstandlast Nope, sorry, there you are wrong. It was NOT plural marriage that was the N&EC. D&C 132:7, which is too long to post here, is what the N&EC is. It says nothing about plural marriage. It's mentioned at the beginning of the section, and then at the end of sec. 132, it says that plural marriage is NOT adultery. That's it.
And salvation is not necessarily going to the Father. One can be saved, and yet, never get to the Father. Not if they don't qualify for the Celestial Kingdom.
If Good Atheists don't get saved, what about BAD Christians?
@anthonysfirstandlast Besides, I can give you all sorts of Evidence, be it factual, Biblical or whatever, and you will refuse to see, because you odn't want to. To you, we are WRONG, you refuse to believe we are anything BUT wrong, and DAMN the truth!
@anthonysfirstandlast Meaning, that if I came to a different conclusion about the LDS church than you did, then I didn't do my homework? You are not making any points with me by calling me names like halfl-witted, not intelligent, etc., and calling my church a "cult" (define "cult" for me please).
And the Book of Mormon does not mention COINS. The intro to one of the chapters says coins, but the passage itself does NOT say coins.
@anthonysfirstandlast Nope, didn't see anything in that passage about the N&EC. I never said that it doesn't mention plural marriage, I said, it's NOT part of the N&EC. And it's not. You have to find something with "plural marriage" AND N&EC in the same sentence.
@anthonysfirstandlast Only in verse one is plural marriage mentioned. Like I said, the total definition of the N&EC is verse SEVEN and it says NOTHING about plural marriage. it's ETERNAL marriage, not PLURAL marriage.
@anthonysfirstandlast Joseph joined the Masons only a couple three years before he died. And while there are masonic elements, they are hardly word for word.
The Book of Mormon has only the verey barest resemblance to the ideas of "View of the Hebrews" or Spauldings's manuscript.
That there are similarities to the Bible should hardly be surprising. Jesus would not teach one thing in Israel, and something totally different in the Americas.
@anthonysfirstandlast AT least you didn't say polytheistic. Yes, you can say anyone is your god, but that does not mean that they are. The gentiles that Paul went to did worship other gods.
@anthonysfirstandlast The Book of Mormon could not have been made up. There is NO WAY Joseph Smith could EVER have made it all up. He just was not knowledgable or educated or experienced enough to have written it out of his own head.
@lindalds They know that and that is where you have to hold their feet to the fire . They'll try to run to everything under the sun . Just ask them how the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ came to be .
@anthonysfirstandlast I fail to see what difference it makes WHERE the Garden of Eden is. And there is a LOT of evidence for the Book of Mormon. You can't close your eyes and think it's not there.
@anthonysfirstandlast His father was a farmer, first and foremost. They were not some traveling carny show, trying to get people to hire them. One person that we know of hired them to find treasure, and they did not seek this guy out.
@anthonysfirstandlast Many people back then hunted for treasure in that area . You always leave out the details that don't support you claims . If most people here there is a treasure nearby they will go hunting esp if poor . Just saw a show the other night where people were looking for Jessie James '''lost treasure'' and there is an island off the coast of NC where I heard that Capt Kidd buried some treasure . If I lived near there I would rent a metal detector and go have a look .
@anthonysfirstandlast History shows ...first compass... ? Are you serious ? God can't make a compass if he wants to . This is the same argument the atheist use . For some reason an all powerful Heavenly Father can't make any fossil he wants for whatever reason and can't control evolution etc.
@anthonysfirstandlast You didn't present anything to me . No arch data . . Don't want to debate anything . Want to help you if you want it . and want to make sure people know the stuff you throw out is silly .
@anthonysfirstandlast Can you tell me where someone said they were mammoths . Not doubting your memory but I have studied some and have never seen or heard that one. Again God can't make a compass if he wants . Your arguement is more like something an atheist would say . A
And it would of been found by now ? Where do you come up with this stuff . Where is the
Holy Grail or the Ark of The Covenant . (the real one now the one in the IJ movies )
@anthonysfirstandlast Like I said, I've never heard of it, so could you post some of the similarities? Also, since I've OBVIOUSLY never read the other books youmention, you can also include some of the similarities in those. I look forward to seeing them.
@anthonysfirstandlast No, no, no. First, I said, I want exact quotes from both books. Second, YOU are the one who states categorically that they are so similar that one plagiarized from the other. Therefore, YOU are the one with the burden of proof that your accusations are correct.
If you cannot give me what I want, then I must assume that your accusations are false.
@anthonysfirstandlast You don't own the book. I doubt you have even read it. You are probably just stating what other anti-Mormons do, without doing any of your own research.
I've read parts of "View of the Hebrews" and the Spaulding manuscript, anbd niether one is even CLOSE to the Book of Mormon.
@anthonysfirstandlast Then give me THEIR comparisons between the two. I want to see them!
It's not idiotic to expect you to back up your accusations. If you can't, then I must take that into consideration when I decide how seriously to take your accusations.
@anthonysfirstandlast You can look them up I'm sure . Also I'm sure you would own a copy if it helped your argument . Not wanting to make an enemy here . Whatever it is that is keeping you from coming back into the joy of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I hope you find the courage to change . And no it's not that you know it's false . I wasn't born yesterday .
@anthonysfirstandlast Friend your arguments are silly . But don't feel bad . All anti is silly and has been shown as such . But people keep throwing it up again and again .
@anthonysfirstandlast The way you talk you sound like a young person . ''They are so blind even if you give them proof . '' What proof did you give . '' All of the other things I argued . We aren't here to argue . And neither are you . You want us to somehow help you back . Hopefully we can .
@lindalds You assumed right . I will try to find the talks on this junk so you can read it . They were short novels that have a few simularities that's all . Of course he would have told you that if he didn't have some ax to grind with the Church of Jesus Christ of LAtter Day Saints . Remember the people in the great and spacuois building . What did they do once they got there. Started pointing their fingers at the others. Elder Maxwell said didn't they have a bowling alley in that huge building
@anthonysfirstandlast I already did . Anyone including yourself seeing the whole picture know it's a joke to compare the two . You have pumped some things up haven't you . Try to be honest in the future .
@lindalds I've looked at them . There is a whole segment on them at F.A.I.R.S.org . and Pres Hinckley talked about the Spalding book in a talk . They are way off but these guys know most people won't bother to check them out .
@anthonysfirstandlast The Book of Mormon comes from that book . Now who can possibly refute such an argument . So you agree that Joseph Smith couldn't of written the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ . And did I already ask you if you live the standards of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
@anthonysfirstandlast You said there weren't any horses , now you are saying they were there but extinct . Which is it . And how do you know when they became extinct ?
There is one God for us to worship . Just like I only call one person on earth my Father but there are billions of Fathers .
@anthonysfirstandlast I don't need to be educated to talk to you it seems . Can't find the compass it's going to take a while to get over that one . One time you say there weren't any horses then you say they were 1/2 size horses . Sounds like smaller HORSES to me .
@anthonysfirstandlast Satan said, you shall become AS the gods, knowing good and evil, and that's exactly what happened. God even said, Man as become as one of us...
Alma 7:10 says that He was born AT Jerusalem. Bethlehem is about five miles outside of Jerusalem.
@anthonysfirstandlast Bones of horses have been found in the yukaton penn that date before Columbus . .They are so old the researchers thought it was a case of cross contam but it turned out not to be so . Beth is considered to be in the land of Jersusalem or AT Jerusalem . Y
ou still haven't told us how the Book of Mormon could of come to be.
@anthonysfirstandlast So how does that help your point . Where in the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ does it say they were the size of our horses today . You can't prove all were extinct . And It's not old news when you attack someone's religion .
@anthonysfirstandlast They didn't have to be full size horses. Whatever they were called, the closest word to describe them that everyone in the early 19th century would understand is "HORSE".
@anthonysfirstandlast The Book of Mormon was not originally written in English. Some languages have words that are untranslatable into literal English. God gives the best English word for us to understand.
What exactly is a seon? I mean, I don't know. Do you know for sure that it was a coin of some kind? I mean, it could be just some sort of measurement, like a small bag or something.
@anthonysfirstandlast The Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ was translated to fit hand in hand with the KJV of the Holy Bible . It doens't make sense to write it in the language of current time and it be outdated soon . So the Lord had it to sound like the same book the rest of the Christian world would use. Made up . Have you ever read it from cover to cover. The is very little to back up the Holy Bible . The Lord wants you to develop faith . Where is the ark , tower of Bab etc.
@anthonysfirstandlast They were separated from the old world . Scimitars can be made anywhere. The Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ doesn't mention coin . And why would a seon of gold , something made up by the people living here in Central America , who had no contact with the old world , so how would it have crossed over . Your arguments are really silly .
Its not about being a star. Its just an example
mizmiller2081 1 month ago
This video is very spirit led
mizmiller2081 1 month ago
By the way.... YES I DO!!!! I am a devout member of the LDS church and believe everything our prophet says. But if there is something that doesn't make sense to me, I read my scriptures and pray about it. And I do receive affirmitive answers.
DaSticksanStonesClub 1 month ago
I don't usually like to get into stuff on videos like this, but some of your comments are pretty ridiculous.
It's fine that you were once LDS and have chosen a different way. No harm, no foul. But you are trying to equate the Conference Center to a great and spacious building aimed at honoring men when its only purpose is to house as many people as possible in one place to see their leaders.
A spotlight? What else would you do in a situation like that? Turn on all of the house lights?
LoveStallion 1 month ago
Hey dude, Mormons do study Bible, and understand it better than u do. Get a decent tie, man, who klows, perhaps someday you can buy one with your adsense money..
rickymontero 2 months ago
that's interesting when u are an inmigrant u have the right to have a seat at the conference even over those guys that lives in UT. besides I don't remember any pictures of the great and spacious building with waterfalls and gardens, actually the most important thing on that building was the poeple mocking at them, just exactly as you are mocking at mormons.
Do u know any other church massively attacked like LDS church?
rickymontero 2 months ago
All people will believe almost anything.
triestep 2 months ago
Why is he wearing a shirt and tie? he should wear a black, or purple or some other color. I bet he was told to repent and change, which probably went against his desires. Only because a weakened faith exist, that does not mean the ONLY TRUE GOSPEL ON THE WHOLE PLANET.
1firsvy 2 months ago
What an idiot this guy is. He disrupts a meeting of religious, devout people doing their best to follow the example of Jesus Christ because, according to him, their doctrine isn't aligned with his particular interpretation of the "word of God." The fact that he believes that his "God" would condone such an action is proof in itself that he is so far from the Spirit that I wouldn't be a part of his "church" if he paid me. Hate these followers of Christ if you must, but leave them alone.
davidg9035 2 months ago
thank you
kaielement 3 months ago
Seems to me your're very gullible then. You''ll probaly be taken in by some other belief down the track.but continue bagging out the morms on Youtube because- ther'e easy, and that makes you a star., right?
MrMFHORN 3 months ago
LAME
accounderson 3 months ago
All I have to say is You know what you have to look forward too! I hope I'm close so I can hear your voice tremble!
Aldensmawmaw 3 months ago
This guy is saying that people should test the mormon prophet by the Bible. But the mormons say that the prophet should be tested by the feelings one gets when one prays.
I pray that the mormons do learn to go by the truth of the Bible and not by what the mormon prophet tells them.
InternetDisciple 3 months ago
@InternetDisciple It's wrong to trust in feelings/Holy Spirit?
Matthew 16:15-19-Peter gained His knowledge of Christ's Messiahship not by flesh or blood, but by revelation from God the Father.
Luke 24-disciples of Christ mentioned in verse 32 that their "hearts burned within" while Jesus was speaking to him.
Also, after having heard Paul's testimony of Christ, disciples were "pricked in their hearts" & chose to be baptized. (Acts 2:36-38)
Thus, this LDS doctrine is Biblically supported.
metallicarox80s 3 months ago 13
@metallicarox80s
"...but by revelation from God the Father."
You seem to be agreeing with me because it does not say that Peter just felt that it was true.
"Also, after having heard Paul's testimony of Christ,"
All these examples have scripture involved. Test the spirit, my friend, against scripture. If it goes against scripture, then it is a false spirit.
Again, I pray that the mormons do learn to go by the truth of the Bible and not by what the mormon prophet tells them.
InternetDisciple 3 months ago
@InternetDisciple So after only being capable of addressing 1 out of my 3 scriptures, your argument still fails. In the Peter reference, I did not point out feelings, but that he didn't have to read the Bible, or study, or find proof.
The other 2 scriptures prove the LDS doctrine that you criticize to be completely Biblical. I pray that YOU will stop going by the critical interpretations of men & propaganda aimed at the Lord's Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
metallicarox80s 3 months ago
@metallicarox80s
"So after only being capable of addressing 1 out of my 3 scriptures,"
Did you not even read my post, my friend? I said "All these examples have scriptures involved. Test the spirit, my friend, against scripture. If it goes against scripture, then it is a false spirit." Let me know if you still don't understand how this addresses all three of your points.
"...but that he didn't have to read the Bible..."
One can give scripture verbally, my friend.
InternetDisciple 3 months ago
@metallicarox80s I got a warm feeling in my chest, and I prayed and the answer was to kill myself. Everything I believe is therefore Biblically supported. Does your brain only work part ways? You seriously can't see through this fail of an argument? I guess other LDS members cannot either because your comment has lots of positive ratings.
IndifferentSky 1 month ago
@IndifferentSky Horrific & invalid argument: whether you're attempting satire or serious, your argument FAILS because in it's "attempt" parallel my comment.
metallicarox80s 1 month ago
@IndifferentSky *it does not parallel my comment (Praying & God commanding to commit suicide? Get real.).
metallicarox80s 1 month ago
Praise God for the conversions of all the lost! May His Spirit be moving in radical ways in these "latter days."
golfer0422 3 months ago
What were the people in the great & spacious building doing? Laughing & mocking others...
That's a far cry from General Conference, pal.
Hilarious comment about the Apostles walking in shaking hands. Have you never seen the pope & his ostentatious display?
You're trying too hard, buddy.
metallicarox80s 4 months ago 24
@metallicarox80s I don't think he is a Catholic, so the Pope comments probably aren't a good argument.
golfer0422 3 months ago
@golfer0422 It's a reference to what he is REALLY referring to.
metallicarox80s 3 months ago
@metallicarox80s Im not catching your drift. What do you mean? Are you a Latter Day Saint? Just curious, thanks for sharing.
golfer0422 3 months ago
This guy is awesome! Praise God for bringing some of those "good" people--the Mormons--into the Truth!. This excites me.
Amalgamaite 1 month ago
@Amalgamaite You claim to enjoy bringing LDS Christians "into the truth," yet you completely ignored all of my several counter-arguments & refutations of his points.
metallicarox80s 1 month ago
@metallicarox80s You're a fool for believing in Joseph Smith, a false prophet. You need not be refuted. The Bible tells us that no word should be added - no further text will be made an addition to Christian faith without the makers of that text being damned to hell. It also tells us that Jesus is the only savior, and only belief in him is necessary - not Joseph Smith. Read the Bible, read your Book of Mormon, compare with close scrutiny.
Firequacker 3 weeks ago
@Firequacker Good one! You cited the end of Revelations. You must have come up with that one on your own.
Oh wait a second, you didn't. It was spoonfed to you. Do some original research, because I will easily refute your claim:
1. The phrase is "the book of this prophecy," NOT "the Bible." So don't add to "the book of this prophecy." Where else is that phrase mentioned? The *beginning* of Rev. (1:3) Hence--applies only to Rev.
2. Deuteronomy 4:2 & Proverbs 30:6 have similar commands.
metallicarox80s 3 weeks ago
@Firequacker If you're going to interpret Revelations that way, you should use the same interpretation to Deut. 4:2 & Prov. 30:6.
But of course, you're cherry-picking. It happens when you borrow an argument that's been beaten by a dead horse. It happens when you can't come up with your own argument (that's someone else's interpretation of that scripture).
And sorry, but I've carefully scrutinized & read the BOM alongside the Bible at least 10 times each. The doctrine aligns.
metallicarox80s 3 weeks ago
@metallicarox80s Did you actually LISTEN to anything the man said in this video? It is all true to the Bible.
Firequacker 3 weeks ago
@Firequacker Yes, I listened to it, & yes, I refuted in. All LDS doctrine is aligned with the Bible.
metallicarox80s 3 weeks ago
@metallicarox80s "All LDS doctrine is aligned with the Bible."
Do you really believe this? Come on! Matthew 24 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect...
Behold, he is in the desert; (SALT-LAKE) go not forth: behold,
he is in the secret chambers; (HOLY OF HOLIES) believe it not.
jonathandavid33 2 weeks ago
@jonathandavid33 Haha, please. That's a pathetic attempt in which you could only address a small percentage of my references (what about the rich man or the apostles/Matt. 10:22)?
LDS do not believe in a works-based salvation, let's get that out of the way.
And nice try with Matt. 24. SLC is in the mountains more than it is the desert...it's not Vegas or Phoenix. That could be applied in a variety of directions.
metallicarox80s 2 weeks ago
@Firequacker
"Only belief" in Jesus is necessary--false. Matt. 10:22. The apostles believed, yet Christ said they must endure to the end to be saved.
The rich man in Luke 18: he believed, but Christ asked him to sacrifice all, which he couldn't.
We aren't saved by works, but they must be coupled with faith, or your faith is "dead." --James 2: 14-17
So now that you've been refuted on:
1. "Adding to the Bible"
2. "Saved by faith alone."
I suggest you pick up that Bible & study some more.
metallicarox80s 3 weeks ago
@metallicarox80s
"Only belief" in Jesus is necessary--false"
You speak in half truths concerning "Saved". All we need is Faith in Jesus to be Saved, however Faith has to be perfected. That is what James was referring to. He was speaking to a people who said they were Saved by Faith, yet they produced no Good Works as the fruit of True Faith, as a Testament to that Faith, not works toward their own Salvation, but through a steadfast Witness of Jesus and Grace without Works is enough to Save.
jonathandavid33 2 weeks ago
@metallicarox80s
We are Saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus. Not of Works toward that Salvation. It is a free Gift that cannot be earned. Yet if we say we have a Faith capable of Saving us, yet we produce no Good Works as a Testament of Jesus, then can such a Faith save us? Mormons produce a false testimony of Jesus. They can endure to the end and the end will be no different then the start. Jesus will not claim them.
jonathandavid33 2 weeks ago
Man all I can say is you obviously did not have a testimony when you were baptized. Guess what every other church stands in meetings when their leader walks in. The catholics do it when the pope walks in. Man get a life and stop wasting your time trying to put down a church which will never fall because it is the church of Jesus Christ. Those prophets and apostles are called of god as was Peter James, John and all of Christs original apostles.
Deltarocks1 5 months ago
Dude the building is that big so that it can fit the people who come to watch modern day prophets and apostles speak. Not to signify wealth. Have you seen the amount of people that come. Obviously you have since your their. Their is no way that they are all going to fit in a regular church building.
Deltarocks1 5 months ago
I am a recent ex mormon. He brings up interesting points but this is also one opinion and should be taken for what it is. I would not go to any church again. Anyone who attempts to argue their church is better is missing the point and falls into the trap that religion creates for them, to destroy one another.
zcxvasdfqwer1234 6 months ago
@zcxvasdfqwer1234 Being Christian has absolutely nothing to do with religion, as the New Testament proclaims. This is why Jesus speaks against the Pharisees, they speak with their lips, but their hearts arefar from Him. Its about a personal relationship with Jesus, nothing else. The Bible clearly gives truth and instruction. Take care!
jeanniem76 6 months ago
I don't need to compare the TRUTH to you but for the sake of hope that you might open your eyes I have given you the best example which you'll probably never understand because you don't know what spiritual freedom is. Good luck and YAH bless you
WhatsupWorldful 6 months ago
We have the voice of YAH and the freedom to grow into wisdom without being beaten down by self-righteous stupidity
WhatsupWorldful 6 months ago
@leeuniverse
Ummmmmmmmmmm...... Yea I don't think so buddy. Who is moroni? Where are the horses of the book of mormon (lowercase) times? Where are the metal steel swords? As far as the New Testament your church is so far behind the Family of Truth and the Revelation of YAH unstained by false interpretations of false prophets and angels and ridiculous imaginations that you don't even realize that you are more pitied than taken serious. We know who our YAH is. You have a strict moral code.
WhatsupWorldful 6 months ago
Who doesnt want the best/closest seats at an event? Sounds like your trying to find a bone to pick with the the smallest little things.
YZ450f24 6 months ago
Lie 7..... More just an ignorant statement. If he actually knew his New Testament, he would be Mormon. Because Mormonism is the only religion that in full has every characteristic of the New Testament Church. Catholics and Orthodox Churches come close, but with many issues and losses of truth and practices. They religion you are in now buddy..... NOT EVER CLOSE to what the New Testament says Christ's Church should look like. So, who are YOU to judge LDS??? tisk tisk! :(
leeuniverse 6 months ago
@leeuniverse Amen brother. Christs Church is on the earth. Thomas S. Monson is the prophet of god and it does not matter what this psycho says about him. He does have his facts all wrong. He probably just listened to what he was told by others instead of finding out for himself which is what alot of people do. So anyways keep the faith. Thomas S. Monson was called of god as is all the apostles who assist him as was all the prophets and apostles that were before them.
Deltarocks1 5 months ago 4
@Deltarocks1 Boy, I must have been tired when I wrote that (well busy and tired, responding to so many falsehoods at the same time), my spelling was atrocious. haa haa :)
leeuniverse 5 months ago
Lie 6.... As if LDS don't test every word with the Word of God.... I spent YEARS in multiple of your religions, being beholden to no bias or interpretation and just reading the Bible for myself, and guess what I saw? NONE of your religions fit what the Bible actually said in full and accurately so. Only when I came upon mormonism did a religion fully fit. So, don't tell us who has the doctrines of men & who is the Word. You're not the truth. You have a new "fad", not knowing different.
leeuniverse 6 months ago
Lie 5..... LDS leaders speak the scriptures, thus they speak the words of Christ. You can pervert scripture all you want, and say you believe the Bible and we don't, but we believe the same words, just not your man-made religion perversions.
This Church is all about Christ.... You people are sick!
leeuniverse 6 months ago
Lie 4..... Complete lie that those men and women on that stand are up there "to be seen of men"..... They are people who have devoted their entire lives to serving the Lord and others, self made men and women who have no NEED to be there, for the didn't after all call themselves like YOUR preistcrafters do.... Supposed "Christians", serving satan your master for trying to destroy other believers, completely going against Christ's words in Mark 9 & Luke 9. He has harsh words for you!
leeuniverse 6 months ago
Lie 3.... Completely false that those seats are for the "high rollers" in paying Tithing to the Church. Yes, the seats are reserved for all kinds of "dignitaries", from country's, from business, to families, etc. He is clearly misremembering what he was told because of his anti-mormon mind now, common phenomena with ex-mormons who become anti-mormon, they pervert everything they once knew. Of course, other anti's do the same, but the ex's can't even get simple things they should know right.
leeuniverse 6 months ago
Lie 2.... Logical fallacy alert. All kinds of Christians gather under small to large roofs, that does not make any of them, even the Church somehow the wicked in the great and spacious building mocking the righteous who hold to the Iron Rod, i.e. the Word of God.
leeuniverse 6 months ago
Lie 1.... False that LDS do not believe that everything prophets say must be tested and compared to everything else. Also false that modern prophet's "trump" previous. It's true words are for our day, so they trump in that way, but not true that the words trump Eternal Doctrine. Doctrine doesn't change, save in certain specialized ways such as when Christ came and fulfilled the Law, creating the Higher Law, and different methodology's and even doctrine i.e. eye for an eye, with forgiveness.
leeuniverse 6 months ago
Get a grip--This is not a great and spacious building. How much have you traveled? Have you been to Hong Kong? I think not. You obviously suffer from small town syndrome. Oh, you are wrong about high rollers of tithing -- just our of line. Go get some real world experience and start to see the big picture.
Eightplex 6 months ago
@Eightplex Brother your reply clearly speaks of pride and arrogance 100%. Brother hear me out. Read Galatians 1:6. Muse. Google superior reliability of new testament (CARM dot ORG). Google dead sea scrolls. please brother, I beg you to do these simple things and read them, giving them at least enough respect to read them.
MVhowell87 6 months ago
This is what I see.
Mathew 6: 5-6
5 ¶And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy acloset, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall freward thee openly.
I see no Humility, theres still time.
alayche02 6 months ago
you are bad, all that you have said is not true, God will punish you at the last day, Thou shalt not bear false witness againts thy neighbor. This is Joel of the Philippines.
joelvalin1 6 months ago
If people of the 1830s follow a man claiming to have new revelation thats against God's Word, how easy will it be for the world of today follow the antichrist on a global scale spoken of in the book of Revelation Chpater 13. After Jesus raptures all the born again believers in Him are taken out of the way I Thessalonians 4:13-16.
beatleman69 7 months ago
How did you find the "Real" Jesus?
beatleman69 7 months ago
@beatleman69 Read and act on the Beatitudes, Parables, Letter of James and Lord's Prayer. ;0)
TuboEspectador 7 months ago
C'mon bro what did you do to get excommunicated? And you're quoting the Book of Mormon to make your case? You're a fool. It just goes to show that Lucifer can get to anyone. So what "holy-roller" church do you belong to now? There are so many, my word, which one did you choose, just in case I want to leave the LDS Church? Oh do you pay tithes to your preacher, and how much? I have family in holy roller churches that pay EVERY Sunday. Once a month tithe is NOT good enough for them. Let me know :)
coatlicue2012 8 months ago
awesome video! and this is one big clue that lets us know that this mormon "church" is false
mormons did not allow black people to hold the priest hood BECAUSE THE COLOR OF SKIN. then they come up and say god was the racist one and not the "prophets"...LOL... god would never say "dont let those niggers in my church" this "church" is obviously false because we can clearly see that is just a bunch of old men making stuff up!!
MORMONS = MASTERS OF EXCUSES
MALDITTOROKKERO 8 months ago
@MALDITTOROKKERO Remember how until after the death of Christ that God's children were only among the Isrealites? How Christ's apostles were to preach among on the Jews only. There is more segregation there than one race......
And then the Apostle Peter, after the earthly life of Christ, had a dream and was commanded to go meet Cornelius, a gentile. Gentiles were believed to be unclean and common.
"Don't let Gentiles in my church" - seriously?? You should have a problem with this as well.
brockhos 7 months ago
Just to be clear there are many members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who didn't grow up in the Gospel . They had all the so called ''freedoms'' growing up everyone claims on these videos makes them so happy now They left the world behind and have been members from 3 years to 6 years and more and they say they can't imagine their lives without the gospel . So everyone doesn't fall under the grew up brainwashed in the church and glory be I'm finally free to be me catagory .
mollymu1 8 months ago
You need to find some security, otherwise you would not feel to mock anyone. When you were LDS, you mocked. Now, you mock.
Yes, I have, I JOINED the LDS church because it's the most Biblical, and the more I read and study the Bible, the more I know I'm right where God wants me. It's been over 30 years now, and I've never looked back.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast No one knows why blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood. Everyone has a theory.
The church is not racist. Some members are.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds Isn't that basically an admission that you don't know if the Church was right or wrong in teaching that blacks were less valiant in pre-mortality? Isn't the refusal to denounce this traditional theory (as promoted by LDS leaders in a 1949 First Presidency letter) a form of racism? Sincerely, Aaron.
aaronshaf2006 8 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 As far as I know, THE CHURCH never taught this. Some members believed it, even some GA's, but it was never, to my knowledge, TAUGHT.
The church will never renounce a person's personal opinion or theory about anything. We are entitled to them, we are encouraged to have them. It's not our fault if our enemies want to use them against us. When I was growing up, difference of opinion would produce another church.
lindalds 8 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 Read the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ and quite wasting time .
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast I joined the LDS church, in large part, because it is the MOST Biblical church. And if you would research correctly, you might see that for yourself.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Actually, all those things are Biblical, just not according to your interpretation of hte Bible.
But, I can find all sorts of things about other churches and their beliefs, that have NOTHING to do with the Bible. Starting with such things as the various creeds (Nicene, Athanasian, Westminster confession, etc.). How various churches worship, paid clergy, all sorts of things that are actually handed down from Catholicism, not the Bible.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Nope, sorry, there you are wrong. It was NOT plural marriage that was the N&EC. D&C 132:7, which is too long to post here, is what the N&EC is. It says nothing about plural marriage. It's mentioned at the beginning of the section, and then at the end of sec. 132, it says that plural marriage is NOT adultery. That's it.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Who said that our prophets and apostles were all UPPER class?
And salvation is not necessarily going to the Father. One can be saved, and yet, never get to the Father. Not if they don't qualify for the Celestial Kingdom.
If Good Atheists don't get saved, what about BAD Christians?
lindalds 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Besides, I can give you all sorts of Evidence, be it factual, Biblical or whatever, and you will refuse to see, because you odn't want to. To you, we are WRONG, you refuse to believe we are anything BUT wrong, and DAMN the truth!
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Meaning, that if I came to a different conclusion about the LDS church than you did, then I didn't do my homework? You are not making any points with me by calling me names like halfl-witted, not intelligent, etc., and calling my church a "cult" (define "cult" for me please).
And the Book of Mormon does not mention COINS. The intro to one of the chapters says coins, but the passage itself does NOT say coins.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast We use the Bible a lot. We spend two years out of every four studying the Bible.
Please, again, I ask, define "cult".
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Then define "orthodox". To me, it means, "What everyone else is doing".
And I've been a member for over 30 years, and we use the Bible quite a lot. Like I said, two of every four years is spent studying the Bible.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast All orthodox means is doing what everyone else is doing, right or wrong. However, I fail to see how it is paganistic.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds Remember we can't be a cult . Cults don't have their own football teams . ;)
mollymu1 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Put it off to the side ?
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Nope, didn't see anything in that passage about the N&EC. I never said that it doesn't mention plural marriage, I said, it's NOT part of the N&EC. And it's not. You have to find something with "plural marriage" AND N&EC in the same sentence.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Only in verse one is plural marriage mentioned. Like I said, the total definition of the N&EC is verse SEVEN and it says NOTHING about plural marriage. it's ETERNAL marriage, not PLURAL marriage.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast See thee thing non-LDS Christians love to do (I witnessed it) is to read only a verse and say GOTCHA!.
lindalds 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Joseph joined the Masons only a couple three years before he died. And while there are masonic elements, they are hardly word for word.
The Book of Mormon has only the verey barest resemblance to the ideas of "View of the Hebrews" or Spauldings's manuscript.
That there are similarities to the Bible should hardly be surprising. Jesus would not teach one thing in Israel, and something totally different in the Americas.
lindalds 8 months ago
@lindalds Good points
mollymu1 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast AT least you didn't say polytheistic. Yes, you can say anyone is your god, but that does not mean that they are. The gentiles that Paul went to did worship other gods.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast "Brooklyn is right across the way from Manhattan"
I have never been to Manhatten or Brooklyn or anywhere else in that vacinity. What you would say to me, is you were born AT, or in, New York City.
Even tho, technically, I live in Whitehall, no one knows where that is, either; I have to say Columbus, for anyone to know.
lindalds 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast The Book of Mormon could not have been made up. There is NO WAY Joseph Smith could EVER have made it all up. He just was not knowledgable or educated or experienced enough to have written it out of his own head.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@lindalds They know that and that is where you have to hold their feet to the fire . They'll try to run to everything under the sun . Just ask them how the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ came to be .
mollymu1 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast As far as I can tell, there is no evidence for Moses or the Exodus, either.
And what scientific evidence is there that Jesus is the Christ?
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast I fail to see what difference it makes WHERE the Garden of Eden is. And there is a LOT of evidence for the Book of Mormon. You can't close your eyes and think it's not there.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Yeah I'm sure a 19 year old farmboy in upper state NY had access to a map with that info and had the time to search it out .
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast His father was a farmer, first and foremost. They were not some traveling carny show, trying to get people to hire them. One person that we know of hired them to find treasure, and they did not seek this guy out.
lindalds 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Many people back then hunted for treasure in that area . You always leave out the details that don't support you claims . If most people here there is a treasure nearby they will go hunting esp if poor . Just saw a show the other night where people were looking for Jessie James '''lost treasure'' and there is an island off the coast of NC where I heard that Capt Kidd buried some treasure . If I lived near there I would rent a metal detector and go have a look .
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast History shows ...first compass... ? Are you serious ? God can't make a compass if he wants to . This is the same argument the atheist use . For some reason an all powerful Heavenly Father can't make any fossil he wants for whatever reason and can't control evolution etc.
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast You didn't present anything to me . No arch data . . Don't want to debate anything . Want to help you if you want it . and want to make sure people know the stuff you throw out is silly .
mollymu1 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Can you tell me where someone said they were mammoths . Not doubting your memory but I have studied some and have never seen or heard that one. Again God can't make a compass if he wants . Your arguement is more like something an atheist would say . A
And it would of been found by now ? Where do you come up with this stuff . Where is the
Holy Grail or the Ark of The Covenant . (the real one now the one in the IJ movies )
Why pray tell ''would it of been found by now''
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast The WofW is more than just no alcohol. Many people follow the WofW dietary suggestions and claim it works.
Never heard of "Wonders of Nature". Please post some similarities between the two books.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Like I said, I've never heard of it, so could you post some of the similarities? Also, since I've OBVIOUSLY never read the other books youmention, you can also include some of the similarities in those. I look forward to seeing them.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast No, no, no. First, I said, I want exact quotes from both books. Second, YOU are the one who states categorically that they are so similar that one plagiarized from the other. Therefore, YOU are the one with the burden of proof that your accusations are correct.
If you cannot give me what I want, then I must assume that your accusations are false.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast You don't own the book. I doubt you have even read it. You are probably just stating what other anti-Mormons do, without doing any of your own research.
I've read parts of "View of the Hebrews" and the Spaulding manuscript, anbd niether one is even CLOSE to the Book of Mormon.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Then give me THEIR comparisons between the two. I want to see them!
It's not idiotic to expect you to back up your accusations. If you can't, then I must take that into consideration when I decide how seriously to take your accusations.
lindalds 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast You have left out a WHOLE lot that shows they are not that sim at all .
mollymu1 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast You can look them up I'm sure . Also I'm sure you would own a copy if it helped your argument . Not wanting to make an enemy here . Whatever it is that is keeping you from coming back into the joy of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I hope you find the courage to change . And no it's not that you know it's false . I wasn't born yesterday .
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Friend your arguments are silly . But don't feel bad . All anti is silly and has been shown as such . But people keep throwing it up again and again .
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast The way you talk you sound like a young person . ''They are so blind even if you give them proof . '' What proof did you give . '' All of the other things I argued . We aren't here to argue . And neither are you . You want us to somehow help you back . Hopefully we can .
mollymu1 8 months ago
@lindalds You assumed right . I will try to find the talks on this junk so you can read it . They were short novels that have a few simularities that's all . Of course he would have told you that if he didn't have some ax to grind with the Church of Jesus Christ of LAtter Day Saints . Remember the people in the great and spacuois building . What did they do once they got there. Started pointing their fingers at the others. Elder Maxwell said didn't they have a bowling alley in that huge building
mollymu1 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast I already did . Anyone including yourself seeing the whole picture know it's a joke to compare the two . You have pumped some things up haven't you . Try to be honest in the future .
mollymu1 8 months ago
@lindalds I've looked at them . There is a whole segment on them at F.A.I.R.S.org . and Pres Hinckley talked about the Spalding book in a talk . They are way off but these guys know most people won't bother to check them out .
mollymu1 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast The Book of Mormon comes from that book . Now who can possibly refute such an argument . So you agree that Joseph Smith couldn't of written the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ . And did I already ask you if you live the standards of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Actually, there were horses, or something resembling horses.
Paul said that no matter how many gods there are, real or imagined, that FOR US, there is ONE GOD.
I mean, can you imagine the confusion?
"Yes, oh Israel, there are many gods here, but you should only worship Me".
You know good and well that some knucklehead is going to start wanting to worship some other gods.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast You said there weren't any horses , now you are saying they were there but extinct . Which is it . And how do you know when they became extinct ?
There is one God for us to worship . Just like I only call one person on earth my Father but there are billions of Fathers .
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast I don't need to be educated to talk to you it seems . Can't find the compass it's going to take a while to get over that one . One time you say there weren't any horses then you say they were 1/2 size horses . Sounds like smaller HORSES to me .
mollymu1 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Satan said, you shall become AS the gods, knowing good and evil, and that's exactly what happened. God even said, Man as become as one of us...
Alma 7:10 says that He was born AT Jerusalem. Bethlehem is about five miles outside of Jerusalem.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast Bones of horses have been found in the yukaton penn that date before Columbus . .They are so old the researchers thought it was a case of cross contam but it turned out not to be so . Beth is considered to be in the land of Jersusalem or AT Jerusalem . Y
ou still haven't told us how the Book of Mormon could of come to be.
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast So how does that help your point . Where in the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ does it say they were the size of our horses today . You can't prove all were extinct . And It's not old news when you attack someone's religion .
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast They didn't have to be full size horses. Whatever they were called, the closest word to describe them that everyone in the early 19th century would understand is "HORSE".
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast The Book of Mormon was not originally written in English. Some languages have words that are untranslatable into literal English. God gives the best English word for us to understand.
What exactly is a seon? I mean, I don't know. Do you know for sure that it was a coin of some kind? I mean, it could be just some sort of measurement, like a small bag or something.
lindalds 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast The Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ was translated to fit hand in hand with the KJV of the Holy Bible . It doens't make sense to write it in the language of current time and it be outdated soon . So the Lord had it to sound like the same book the rest of the Christian world would use. Made up . Have you ever read it from cover to cover. The is very little to back up the Holy Bible . The Lord wants you to develop faith . Where is the ark , tower of Bab etc.
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast They were separated from the old world . Scimitars can be made anywhere. The Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ doesn't mention coin . And why would a seon of gold , something made up by the people living here in Central America , who had no contact with the old world , so how would it have crossed over . Your arguments are really silly .
mollymu1 8 months ago
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anthonysfirstandlast 8 months ago
@anthonysfirstandlast The Bible; one side of the world. The Book of Mormon: the OTHER side of the WORLD.
Three hours here, three days there. So what? I mean, Joseph Smith read his Bible, he knew that it says three hours.
Yes, God is spirit, but John 4:24 does NOT say that God is ONLY spirit. That verse is saying HOW to worship Him, not WHAT He is or is not.
Luke 24:39 is speaking of the disciples thinking they were seeing a ghost. It has nothing to do with John 4:24.
lindalds 8 months ago