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  • I'll bet any amount of money that they are only mothballing these old engines and if fuel embargos become deadly serious they'll be back to work America always prepares for war in the time of peace..

  • come on baby it let see she to 88 and travel to her time!!

  • Maybe cheaper and more environmentally friendly than diesel, but I'd like to see you get my lazy ass engineers to do what engineers had to do in the old days.

  • Bet ya Sheldon on "Big Bang" would really dig this vid.

  • LOL even the HELICOPTERS can't keep up. XD Geeze that things haulin' butt.

  • i wish they were still around

  • They Thought they could replace the steam engine!!!!!! The diesel just plain old fashioned CANNOT produce the same torque!!!!!!! Long Live the STEAM LOCOMOTIVE!!!!

  • The 615 is the perfect non-articulated 4-8-4. Its the classic steam engine. Such a amazingly beutaful machine.

  • Just look at those drive wheels...Goddamn!!!

  • 1 HOBO DID NOT LIKE THIS VIDEO

    Guess the train was moving too fast for him to hop on!

  • Oh yeah they should update this steam engine and put it back into ACTION !!!!!!!! I miss these old steam engines !!!!!!!!

  • @slickrick6923 how they made it fast like that

  • @slickrick6923 If I can save enough money, NYC #3005 IS coming back. I've contacted the Nat'l NYC Railroad Museum and the 3001 is slated to go for restoration, but they're having trouble finding a sponsor. Pass the word along!

  • There is ONE idiot in here .... cuz he didn't like the video!!!!!

  • I saw a show on Modern Marvels about things that are still Made in America but let me tell you, not one of them could even get close to touching this beauty of engineering.

  • @deloreanman14 Only Lima could build such a beautiful, yet strong piece of machinery. 614 would show up any diesel.

  • wooo wooo what the heck was that passed me with all that weight lol u know it is efficiant engine when u see no steam comming outta the stack at that speed

  • WOW! We have beauties here in Oz but that it is just sweeeeeeetttt!

  • Amost out of coal.........hope to see her on the rails again.

  • I see why he's running so fast! He's in a hurry to find more coal... tender's about empty!

  • all those people on the interstate were probably like OMG WTF watching that thing blow by them. 80mph that thing is just starting to wake up.

  • Steam Loco doing what steams loco`s were designed for ......... speed and strength

  • it is amazing something that big can go that fast and pull that much well doing so.

  • If anyone wants to see how powerful the 614 really is look up the video "614T St. Albans" on YouTube. It shows the 614 pulling a 100 car coal train @ 60 mph in St. Albans, WVa during the Winter of 1985. It is an incredible display of high speed horsepower.

  • 614 is awsome! Its up there with UP 3985 and 884

  • @IIIJFRIII The C&O 614 is beyond the 3985 and 844. Neither one of them can match the 614's horsepower output.

  • @UnIonPacCheyenne I thought the SPS 700 and N&W 611 had the most tractive effort for running northerns? (during the 90's)

  • @potzahasee01 The 614 can produce upwards of 84,000 lbs TE with its booster operational. This is the highest TE that I have seen in a 4-8-4.

  • @UnIonPacCheyenne @UnIonPacCheyenne The 614 only has 68300lbs of tractive effort... and I know the booster dose not add 15000lbs. 700 has 69800lbs and the 611 has 80000 lbs, still a stunning engine but not the strongest :)

  • @potzahasee01 The 614's Franklin High Speed Booster did add up to 15,000 lbs TE per C&O Historical Society documents, giving the 614 a total of 83,300 lbs TE with a factor of adhesion of of 4.29. The N&W J was able to produce 80,000 lbs TE due to higher operating pressure, smaller diameter drivers, and a long piston stroke. However, the J was slippery with much lower 3.69 factor of adhesion. The J could only produce 68,800 lbs TE while maintaining the same factor of adhesion as the 614.

  • @potzahasee01 Also remember, the 614 was not designed as a slow speed lugging engine. It was designed to be a 120 mph + passenger engine. The fact that it could produce 83,300 lbs TE with a high 4.29 factor of adhesion was an amazing feat, but secondary to its design goal of high speed horsepower output. Above 60 mph, the 614 produces more HP than the J. The 700 isn't even in the same league as either the 614 or J when it comes to high speed power.

  • @UnIonPacCheyenne I can only find the 614 having 80,700 lbs with booster? I think boosters are "cheating" any way haha but most off all they are unreliable. As I am sure you know Ross even broke the booster with the ACE testing. But trains the 614 has done can not deny the power and what she can do. Now when they get the ATSF 2926 running she will be Queen with her 86,922 lbs TE, and that will be fun to see what they do it :)

  • @potzahasee01 That 86,922lb estimate for the 2926 is a bit optimistic, probably closer to 80,000 lbs. Boosters are quite reliable if maintained, and make more sense than trying to apply more TE to the drivers and making the locomotive have less adhesion. The 614s booster needs a minor repair to the bull gear, but Ross saw no need for it since the 614 has more than enough TE for passenger trains.

  • @potzahasee01 I wouldn't fixate on starting TE for these engines anyway. Like I said, they were not designed for low speed lugging. They were designed for high speed power. The 614's boiler is a more advanced, and more powerful design than the 2926's boiler, so regardless what the starting TE numbers actually are, the 614 produces more horsepower running at high speed.

  • @UnIonPacCheyenne She was used for freight trains. Ross Rowland himself said that.

  • @Jemalacane The 614 was used on freights for a short time ONLY after the C&O dieselized its passenger operations. Once the C&O dieselized its remaining freight operations in 1956, the 614 was retired from service. The N&W Js suffered the same fate. The point being the 614 was designed as a high speed, high horsepower passenger locomotive, NOT a freight locomotive. The fact that it can pull heavy freight is a testament to Lima's superior engineering and robust construction methods.

  • @UnIonPacCheyenne I wholly agree with you. Lima is a superb locomotive manufacturer.

  • WOW

  • NIce to watch. C & O power was one of the first good books that I ever purchased and I live in Australia. 614 was the last of the J3a class to be built by Lima in 1948 and one of the five with all roller bearings. The book says that at the time of writing 614 was stored waiting to be presented to some city as a park display and was in a bad way. And "It seems that such a faithful servant could have received a more rewarding fate". It did and it seems that it got a better fate. Now for a H8.....

  • The best steam engine footage I've ever seen

  • i rode on this train---and all i can say is ---its fast as hell---and beautiful.

  • These steam loco pacing videos really go great with German techno dance music as the sound track from Shoutcast. Gives me all sorts of ideas for the climax in my screenplay about a train used in a rescue  on the planet Mars.

  • Damn,.. That running gear is going nuts.

  • ... that said... i'd LOVE to see steam brought back. fire them with LNG (which america has plenty of in reserves) and tell the Saudis and that little turd chavez to DRINK their oil.

    plus think of the number of high-paying industrial jobs it would create. i'd happily take a modest pay cut to apply my skill as a machinist toward producing parts for these beauties... just like my grandfather did when he was a machinist for the Pennsylvania Rail Road.

  • the only place where diesel still has an advantage over steam is in maintenance costs... a steam boiler has to be torn apart periodically and have the scale build-up inside chiseled out by hand. yes, they do have power tools, but it's still very labor-intensive and time consuming because only one person at a time can fit inside the boiler. by comparison, maintaining a diesel is almost just a matter of changing the oil and cleaning the injectors every so often.

  • Steam will always be KING of the rails.

  • I got to ride behind it 2 times and the first time went they had a chopper fly next to us a do a photo shoot . So they got me in the shot for the post card.

  • From the motion of the drivers, she is probably doing 70 MPH...top speed in that section at that time was 79 MPH so 80+ MPH is more fantasy than fact.

  • Good to see a locomotive handled and fired so well...

  • Holy shit look at the running gear fly!

  • Great video !!!!

  • Beautiful engine.

    What is most noticeable is that she is under very light steam indeed (if not just coasting) and STILL doing 80mph.

    Looks like she's good for 125 mph - the magic 200 kph!

    Studies have shown that modern steam could be considerably cheaper to run than diesel and, suprising to many, more environmentally friendly.

    *****

  • @HughFromAlice the case of that being that the smoke is more dirt and ashes than greenhouse gases

  • @HughFromAlice also some steam engines like reading t1s and chalenger for the up can have a 1 steam engine to 4 diesels that means some steam engines are 4 times more powerful than diesels

  • @FatSeal45 Some steam engines were as powerful as 4 World War 2 era diesels. but not modern diesels. The Reading T1 doesn't have as much drawbar horsepower as a single GE ES44AC. The Challenger is only slightly more powerful than a single ES44AC.

  • @FatSeal45

    Too true! Check what a Challenger can still do!!!!

    watch?v=XhgHrDbN4EU&feature=Pl­ayList&p=F123EE52E1AC7A90&play­next_from=PL&index=0

    But from an operational point of view having several diesels that can be controlled by one driver & can be switched in & out of trains quite flexibly was one of the economic arguments (at the time) for the replacement of steam.

    Today new technology means steam could make a targeted come back. Could save US many $ in imported fuel bills!

  • they can build up some speed on that Coastal Plain

  • Long live ROSS ROWLAND.

  • It is nice to see one of these steam locos that can run like that. That train isn't wasting any time at all!

  • hell yeah got that bitch in the wind Awesome

  • Great Video ! Nice hi-speed pace. Five stars!

  • Damn...talk about haulin' ass. The rods are almost blurry they're moving so fast.

  • Wow look at her go, what a speed demon! Great shots, Keep it up!

    BRING BACK THE 614!!!

  • I understand the 614 has a top speed of 125.....That's faster than a diesel Loco...and the 614 can pull just as hard if not harder....Love the steam locos... 614 is awesome

  • I really don't think you would want to push her more than 100, she only has 74" drivers.

  • Very true...That fast with smaller drivers like that could be hazardous

  • The 614 has all roller bearing construction, and its disk drivers are extensively cross balanced. She was designed to travel long distances at 100+ MPH. Well balanced steam locomotives do not need overly large drivers to travel safely at high speed.

  • It's such a thing of beauty... A beautiful machine and the speed is outstanding...Almost Glorious

  • Please! tell me about all roller bearing construction!

    I've never seen axels.

    Is it necessary to press-off wheel steams for replacement of bearings?

    Or there demountable holders of bearings are used?

  • Steam locomotives are most efficient at speed.

  • @TheSteamLocomotive Quite so. Try the English "Evening Star " and Tornado. Evening Star the last steam engine built in the UK. However, the Tornado was built only a few years ago! Runs fast and very efficient.

  • I love the TORNADO. It took part in a race conducted by BBC's Top Gear. The crew told Jeremy Clarkson that the line they run restricts the TORNADO to 75mph. With her tall drivers, I suspect she is capable of 100mph. I am American so I prefer American locomotives,but a steam locomotive is a steam locomotive. Plus the TORNADO only took 3million lbs to produce, an EMD SD75 costs around $2.2million US dollars. My favorite steam locomotive configuration is the 4-8-4. I am glad to see steam alive.

  • Many old retired engineers I have talked to refer to the steam locomotive with great fondness, as they would their wife or mother. They believe the steam locomotive to be a living, breathing being. They do not share the same sentiment for the diesels however. The US got rid of the steamer  at the time they were perfecting them. At the end ALCO, BALDWIN and LIMA were the last major builders of steam, and they all had great products. LIMA, I believe, built slightly better products. Long live steam

  • I checked out the Evening Star as you requested and I must say I like her better than the Tornado, but both are fine examples of steam-one being an original classic and the other being new and destined to be a classic. Beautiful locomotives are everywhere.

  • @scott93257 Can outpull 2 of them, no sweat. I have ridden on a train doing 90. halfway between Medicine hat and Regina. I stopwatched it btween mileboards. NINETY (40 sec exactly). Tthe engine was a 6 wheel drive (3 per side)

  • @scott93257 BS

    

  • @scott93257 125mph? Just 1.5mph more, then she breaks Mallard's record.

  • @scott93257 125mph from a dedicated freight loco with only 72" drivers and no aerodynamic fairings? Probably a top speed more in the realm of 90-100 mph, which is still faster than today's freight diesel locos ;-)

  • @bigtex144

    probably...but yeah...A steamer going that fast even 90 to 100 is amazing....

  • @scott93257 I totally agree. shoot, even in this video at ~80 mph is pretty incredible to watch! Makes me wish I was alive in the days of the Hiawathas and the 20th Century Limited.

  • @bigtex144 The 614 was not a freight locomotive. It was designed from the start as a high speed passenger locomotive for the C&O's top trains. The 614 has all roller bearing construction, including the drive rods, and is extensively cross balanced. With a design like that, 72" drivers is plenty big for 120 mph speeds. On locomotives, "aerodynamic" fairings are more for appearance than actual function.

  • holy crap thats fast

  • Yea, and the scary part is the 614 isn't even working hard to pull that amount tonnage at that speed. I wonder how fast she would be going if Ross put the pedal to the metal?

  • really damn fast

  • AMAZING!!!! Does she still run today?

  • Unfourtunately, she doesn't. She is stored at the Reading & Northern until Ross Rowland can get the money and the insurance to put 614 back in service.

  • Isn't he trying to put her back in service for an American train ride or some across country thing, similar to the Freedom train in 1976?

  • He was, but thw way the economy is right now, I don't think the Yellow Ribbon Express will beco,e a reality, but 614 is still sitting at the R&N yards as we speak right now.

  • I remember when she was sitting cold at the B&O museum in Baltimore. I didn't think she'd run again. Boy, was I wrong!

  • Which reminds me, Why did Ross Rowland let 614 sit cold until 1996?

  • Gosh, those darn trees in the way!

  • I rode behined her in 1996 belived me it is a great feeling.

    Len.

  • Incredible, I'd love to see this again someday.

    The location at about 1:07 is where my "C&O 614 at speed" and "Chesapeake & Ohio 614 70+ MPH" clips were filmed. We started to frequent this spot after watching this same video sometime in 1996 or 1997.

    If you haven't seen it yet, the "Summer Steam Spectacular Vol. 1" video by Mark I also contains some awesome aerial pacing that was filmed on June 14, 1997.

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