Le communisme libertaire est possible,c'est juste l'homme qui a perverti ce système et l'a rendu totalitaire et dictatorial...entre autres,Staline,Mao...
le monde aime sa haire le decompte des morts hein? lol commencer donc par cheker les genocide perpetrer par la france l angleterre les etats unis et etc.... sans farce l..urss est un ange a coté deux autres et je souhaite a souligner ke sans les programmes appilqué avec succès sous staline vous ne naitrier p-e pas ds des hopitaux et les campagne seclairerais a la chandelles ....autres benefice inégalé a mon avis Lunion sovietik a declanché la course a lespace ...usa eux acccumulait les bombes A
@Briselance ok on recommance .... ou sa un monument o noir esclaves ? ou sa un monument o amerindien massacré ? tu crois ken 1700 yon gardé le nombre exact des morts? ecoute dude lestimation des chiffre ma te la dire moi c 160millions de personnes ki on payer de leur vie la naissance de lamerike telle kon la connais et 6 millions de juif pour hittler 50 millions les purges de staline noublion pas ke staline se netais pas viser contre une religion ou une race mais les opposant au regime
Vas donc dire ça à celles et ceux qui sont passé(e)s dans les goulags et qui ont survécu.
Vas donc dire ça à leurs familles et à leurs proches.
Sans parler des purges staliniennes des années 30 ... ça n'a fait qu'éliminer les meilleurs cadres des Forces Armées Soviétiques et faciliter l'opération Barbarossa.
Vas donc dire ça à celles et ceux qui sont passé(e)s dans les camps de prisonniers américain et qui ont survécu, ainsi qu'aux civils sacrifiés par la CIA.
Vas donc dire ça à leurs familles et à leurs proches.
Sans parler de la chasse aux sorcières des années 40 à 90, l'éliminations des ouvriers syndiqués grâce à la mafia italienne, des pays démocratiques envahies par les Etats-unis pour y installer des dictatures fascistes ainsi que le bombardement massif de nations faisant le choix d'être neutre mais avec un gouvernement gauchiste.
C'est tout de suite plus dur de dire qui est le vrai monstre et lequel des deux est le moindre mal.
"le bombardement massif de nations faisant le choix d'être neutre mais avec un gouvernement gauchiste."
Où ça ? Quand ça ?
"C'est tout de suite plus dur de dire qui est le vrai monstre et lequel des deux est le moindre mal."
Bof. Pas vraiment. À ton avis, le rideau de fer, les gens voulaient le passer dans quel sens ? Pour aller à l'Ouest. C'est même pour ça qu'ils ont construit le Mur de Berlin : pour empêcher les gens de quitter le "paradis socialiste" pour "l'enfer" capitaliste.
En d'autres mots, si autant de gens ont voulu passer à l'Ouest, et sont parfois morts en essayant de le faire, l'Ouest n'a jamais eu le moindre besoin de construire le moindre mur pour empêcher sa population de partir.
Si, par contre, ils en ont ressenti le besoin à l'Est, c'est qu'on y vivait moins bien, à de nombreux points de vue, les moindres n'étant pas les purges régulières affectant toute la société Soviétique.
Ça te paraîtra sans doute simpliste, mais pourquoi chercher midi à quatorze heures ? Pourquoi chercher à faire des discussions d'apothicaires quand on a l'évidence en face des yeux ?
С такими песнями наши деды укладывали врага штабелями ,а щас-бабки ,телки,водка....))))Да низкий поклон им ,что нам -долбням еще расказывают и учат ,что мы славяне и мы прежде всего люди ,а не обезьяны клановые-общинные ...)))
et si vous aviez connu (comme moi dans les années 70's) les travailleurs soviétiques qui partaient travaillers en chantant cette chanson : grandiose !
What ewer, doesn´t mather what or where!! The music is all! Thaks of these best of Russian Red Army Choir sings! Toppen på Svenska ja komiata suomeksi =)
Hi guys,can anyone tell me where i can get more of this style music. I am crazy about the russian choirs tempo & harmonies! I've searched all over but the Red Army Choir stands out. I havnt come across anything like it. please help
Un admirable Coro, desde que los escuche por primera vez en los años sesenta, siempre han estado dentro de mi repertorio musico-coral. Que viva el ensamble del coro y la banda del Ejército ruso...
No matter where they come from, no matter which political system they use, music is good, and these singers are among the best in the world since years.
I dig Red Army Choir since the 60's with famous Boris Alessandrov leading, and I'm surely not communist, nor socialist or even capitalist, just trying to be free from others ideology.
I don't care about what kind of ideology we've fighting over. As long as this song inspires me and my people to do our duty for the betterment of our beloved nation.
Plus sérieusement, on peut imaginer les futures générations avoir une vision différente de ces oeuvres dans le système post-capitaliste qui nous attends. Plus critique, mais plus honete aussi.
You dont get it, I'm sorry. Im am not ANTI Capitalist. This is sooo overrated :) No one is very ANTI- Capitalism in these days, this is past, only the old belivers with they faith in libéralism belive in that duality ...
No no... I am PRO Post-Capitalism. This is différent, we dont fight. (fight who ?) We just understand that a decade is going to past, and we wonder how to do it too passed without hurting our kind.
The duality Communism / Capitalism Is wrong. In the fact, communisme stay Capitalist. Look China, the best exemple. The duality is Economic liberalism via anarchi and anti-Statism (with fake state that juste lets happens ) / Statism and effective democratie via social organisation.
There is not a possible future with the actual liberal syste, it a question of survival. How many years could we produce for the profit ? 10 100 500 ? We die before finding a way to survive. The world is not infinite, the libéral cake is a lie
@EyeforanEye88 Communism is against religion( except christian communism), Karl Marx said even that religion is the opium of the people. I understand what you think , but Marx wanted to overthrew the regime because 90% of the people had miserable lives , he wanted a society where everything is better, that doesn't make a satanist of you. The catolic Church said indeed that he was a satanist
Oi, mate ! Seriously, you got to lay it off, with your jew-thing. Like they're responsible for every single trouble.
If my car breaks down, is it a jew's fault, for having supplied bad mechanical parts ? No, it's mine for not having maintained my car properly. If I get diarrhea, is it a jew's fault ? No, it's mine for not having been careful enough about what I ate.
And what about stupidity ? Was it invented by the jews, too ?
absolutely right comrade. It was stalin who eliminated "the internationale" as the anthem of the USSR. Nationalism is nothing but a petty bourgeois reaction against the internationalism of the revolutionary movement, and Stalinism is socialism's worst enemy.
it's funny and even ignorant how some equate the power of that music with supposed glory of the totalitarian system of terror that was USSR. I think that the greatness of this music is reflection of greatness of Russian soul that survived in spite of the horrible regime and has nothing to do with the political system under which tens of millions of innocents died in hopelessness of gulags, which to any thinking man, should be the final and irrefutable condemnation of that system.
so rocco, you were there? because you speak so sure and knowledgeable about the situation, or maybe you just dont know. you're only guessing. you call ussr horrible, how do you call iraq? guantanamo? abu-greib? afganistan (where thanks to the US invasion, men are now legally allowed to starve their wives when they refuse sex, the US id of freedom? they own the place and occupy it... or maybe we just dont know...
I believe that some phenomena can be condemned without necessarily having been experienced first hand. To take your logic of immediate experience to its extreme, one could never condemn gas chambers because one was never inside them, yet I believe that you have a position vis-a-vis Nazi regime that is largely negative (am I wrong here?). Secondly, you appear to think that just because I condemn USSR I am necessarily ready to defend the US actions with regard to violations of human rights.
if i told you there were places were people were gassed because of what they think, you would hate the idea itself. this is normal, if then so many people can actually report that they were used for this, when half of the population of europe lost friends or relatives, that's when you form an opinion about something you did not expirience first hand. with the USSR however you hear a lot of rumors, but hardly ever is there any kind of proof or argumentation. like in this case.
How is it that in the recent case of defamation brought by Stalin's grandson for calling Stalin 'murderer', the court ruled in favour of the newspaper? When answering, I think you will grant me the assumption that it is politically undesirable for Putin&co to have Stalin as 'murderer', so pressure would be on the courts to rule the other way. There you have an argument supporting that evidence must be irrefutable even to domestic courts operating under opposing political pressures.
shorun, oh please. College initiation is worse than what the detainees had at all those camps. I am not going to go PC and whine and cry about the rights of monsters sworn to kill me and my family. You can, that's your right. But, don't deny me mine. Before you say a bloody thing, YES, I was there!!! And have you worn any thing other than a "Boy Scout" uniform?? =Stefan=
america is as bad if not worse than the U.S.S.R. but when you think about it no country really is. china had its 1000 flowers act britan started the slave triangle, so on and so forth etc etc.... were all horible. the only reason we view them in a negitive light is because there gone and the only dident like thm to begin with.
It was the blood of the soviet citizen that won world war 2, and achieved every achievement that the soviet union had in it's time of existence. It had nothing to do with it's leaders.
Glory to the people of the soviet union! Slava narodu!
@MaoiMeowi2 I consider leaders of the USSR to be some Generals and commanders. Generals in the USSR held pretty vast political power... Regardless, the praise to just the people is stupid. That was the point I was making. You need leaders.
@theblackout27 Communism emphasizes a stateless society where there is no capital and everything is owned by the people as a whole.
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What I was saying is that for commanders to be good or bad, there needs to be a people who produce soldiers for them to command. Therefore, the people are much more important than commanders, since people ensure that commanders can do their job.
@MaoiMeowi2 Then what are we going back and forth about? I agree, I just was making a point that saying all the glory belonged to the common people, the common soldier, and not to the commanders and leaders was stupid. Both are critical to a war effort..
@Stinkywrix As an American I am also a WWll historian.Your comments are well understood by me.The Russian people suffered horrible.I do have an opinion.First,Stalin should have been shot.Stalin's top spy in the west warned Stalin Hitler was going to attack.What does Stalin do,instead of telling Marshall Zhukov to take emergency preparations,he shoots his top spy.God only knows how many Russians would have been saved if Stalin listened to his spy.Stalin and Hitler caused much death to Russia.
The title in russian is "В Путь" which means "On the road" (literally) but in english the best meanning is "In march". I heard also this music in the end of the film "Maxim Perepelitsa" which is an old russian film about WWII.
It's a funny remark, I laughed at your humor....but no! in a choir there are different voices....who sing different of each other...and some don't even sing in some songs, where is no need for them...or when the volume of that voice doesn't need to be so high, only a few members of that voice sing....so be sure nobody took them there for...."modelling".....this choir is one of the greatest in music history...
actually, i think (correct me if wrong) most of the gulag prisoners were petty thieves, often people stealing to support their families, arrested/shot under the stalinist "misappropriation of socialist property" law.
but as far as political criminals go, you are absolutely right. the purges annihilated what remained of the party of lenin..
This is one of the best Russian Communist era songs. I beleieve it was created around 50's? Together with the famous some comical movie about a solider? Anyway, very GOOD.
A tribute to the genius and bravery of one man - the truly noble Stalin. I and countless others are alive today because of this great hero. All praise to the decent and humble soldier who saved us. Our Stalin!
ok you guys ever heard the song 3 tankista? listen to it. look up manchuria on wikipedia USSR owned japan as soon as they set foot to mongolia. note the KURIL ISLANDS that were taken away and are still being debated about... anyway enough politics from japanese konoyaro's enjoy the music
I think the soviet union would have beaten Germany down eventually by itself if the US didnt enter the war - but it would have been much more difficult and bloodier than it was.
The Japs surrended because they hoped Russians will negotiate for them with Western Allies.So,not the nukes were the reason,but the Russians being Communist.The Russians would never allow The Emperor to stay in his throne,and that was the MAIN REASON FOR SURRENDER.And ,by the way,in 1937,Russians kicked hard the Japs in Mongolia.Go and learn some history,and after post here.
Американец на этом участке вероятно пробует сложить это в мешок, но действительно они никогда не побеждали против России. Не только это, но и Америка медленно падает их сам. Россия повышается, так - фарфор и Индия. Ад американцы не мог даже победить во Вьетнаме против некоторых сельских жителей с ak-47. Американцы - дерзкие, эгоистичные идиоты, которые думают, что они - главное дерьмо.
Let the socialism come back!I"m sure the Americans will be no more exist!hahaha the end is coming...did anyone saw what Georgia did?what does the gorgian president wants?that little coward he doesn't know that Russia can fight even if the whole world stands a gainst Russia....comrade Abdulbary,republic of Iraq
LoL! Check your history books. The Russians were already in Germany's frontiers when the Western Allies decided to do something in June 1944. Such ignorance....
In 1944 85% of all german troops and weaponry were in the eastern front, USSR Defeated germany almost alone.
Just around 300.000 americans died in WWII. How you dare to say that allies did something? Germany was already defeated when they decided to do something. Unfortunattley this is not the right place to discuss such things, but you must stop watching History Channel and Discovery and try to have reliable sources of information
lol. russia could not have defeated the Germans alone also U.S an Britian kept russia alive with mass food aid an military aid. Americans are smart an dont' charge Mg's head on with no ammo, an also fought a 2 front war unlike russia's 1 front.
xD...lol...the americans had just a small army in europe...u know maybe?!...i wouldn'd call that a front, anyway, britain wouldn't exist anymore without the help of the CCCP ;)...the US had no real front in the pacific against Japan, they had to fly hours, to see the enemy...they didn't fight there, they just bombed Japan out of the air...
however, the CCCP had more then 10 million soldiers in the war, it was simple not possible to bring them food from CCCP, so the britains helped them ;)
Small army? it was the bigest one on the western front. um an britian wouldn't have been around without the U.S vBUT that fought of the Germans thing called Battle Of Britian, U.S was suppling the brits a shit ton. russia wasn't supplying jack O WAIT THAT'S RIGHT! RUSSIA WAS ALLIED WITH THE GERMANS. an germany an Russia gang raped Poland.
also the pacific front had fronts dumbass the the battles in the pacific was very tough. Japan had a huge Navy an huge Airforce, an U.S didn't simply bomb the japs from the air lol. the land fighting was in some area's was much harder then the Euro front. places like Iwo Jima,Guadaulcanal Etc. japs didn't like taking Prisoners or Surrendering. they fought to the death. an were very suicidal in there cause.
you do realize that the U.S gave the USSR the most supplies right? lol. 15,000 alone went to russia. over 500 ships. an god know's how much food. WHICH! the USSR took the food stickers off the can that said made in the U.S an added CCCP on it. you need to read history buddy.
Yeah, thats why the allies where pissing their pants with the idea of Stalin invading the rest of Europe.Because they had the power to resist the vast numbers or armoured divisions of the Red Army.Sure........
you know nothing about military stuff do you lol? maybe you shoudl brush up on some WW2 history a vast amount of tanks means shit. hell the NAto forces never really made near as many tanks as the USSR did why? cause it's stupid. all you need to do is hit the logistics trucks an training an those tanks are going no where.
open your ears civilian minded dumbass. tanks need fuel an ammo plus food for the crews you kill the logistics you kill the force. also the germans as small as they were were still killing 10 russians for every 1 german lost.
So Germany lost the war due to logistics and not because they could not replace the lost equipment and crew.And of course,the allies were able to replace theirs,but how fast?
the USSR came into Manchira if the very last days of the war an land grabbed an was only fighting the Japanese peaseant army. an russia gave the world North Korea GJ! dumbass! sorry but not many ppl look at the russians as good guys lol.
wow your dumb. they were a consript army lol. the USSR fought. also the Main reason for the Japs surrender was the Nuclear Bomb. there whoel counry was going to fight to the death also. as more proff to your stupid ass claim. they were conscripts an most were not Japanese. why? cause the Japs don't surrender. go look at all the other battles of how many of them surrender. maybe just barly a handful. learn some stuff not Commey education.
The same retardedness? 80,000 Japs were KIA in a matter of days. 640,000 surrendered.
The Japanese were cought completely by surprise, in several unfortified positions. The Soviet high command were veterans of WW2, and were great tacticians and strategists.
The Soviet faced mostly 2nd rate troop as the Japanese had their best soldiers in active fronts. Japan was overstretched on the verge of collapse and it's army in Manchuria was badly equipped and badly trained. Also as noted, the army didn't consist of Japanese, most were Manchurians(i.e. Chinese) and their moral wasn't the best. Conquering Manchuria really isn't anything to brag about...
The Japanese lacked equipment, and there were 500,000 JAPANESE there, and 200,000 Manchurians.
They weren't useless trainees like you say.
Anyway, the reason of the Soviet sucsess = Soviet men were extremely well trained and well equipped, lots of tanks and artillery and very good generals.
The Japanese couldn't resist such a mechanized force.
The troops, Manchurian, Korean or Japanese, doesn't really matter. They were 2nd rate troops and most were inexperienced and badly equipped - lacking in support and anti-tank weaponry. They faced a well equipped and experienced enemy.
If the soviet soldiers were so well-trained and had such great generals(I do admit the SU did have some very talanted generals) why did the Germans reach Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad and the Caucasus if they had such good soldiers and leadership? ;)
Yes, but these troops were good enough to hold of the Chinese.
Anyway... Stalin killed our generals (one of the best in the world) in the great purge, so in 1941-1943 we lacked leadership and experience. But by 1945, our army was the best in the world. Blitzkreig tactics had been taken to a new level, our troops were all very well trained and well equipped, we had advanced weaponry and our leadership was good.
1. SIGH* Incase you didn't know, Manchuria was a big battlefield. Educate yourself.
2. 7,000,000 KIA, 3,000,000 Killed in nazi camps mate. The Axis lost 5,200,000. In 1944/1945 the Soviets had a very high kill rate.
3. Dude, the Germans themselves said those Soviet ''conscripts'' were very fierce and well trained in 1943. They sure as hell out went the Americans in terms of fighting efficiency, that ain't even discussed.
Just face it, our men were the best soldiers by 1945. Clearly.
I wonder which one of us has the best education concerning the subject. However, I do know you apparently have taken part of some extremely biased information deriving from Soviet/Russian propaganda. Btw Manchuria wasn't a battlefield, it's a geographical/political territory and a campaign was fought there Between Japan/Manchuria vs SU. So, the Soviets fought on one major front, Germany fought on 3 major fronts and only lost half as many soldiers as SU. Hmm.. Who could have been better...
I'm pretty sure your education is inferior, based on your debating ;).
Manchuria was a front. The Kwantung army had been taking part of offensives against the Chinese for 8 years. So no, you are wrong.
I'm not counting total German losses, but AXIS losses on the eastern front. KIA figures. And I don't understand, are you stupid enough to count 3.6 million Soviet soldiers who died in Nazi Concentration camps as combat casualties?
PS.Who was the better soldiers, the losers or the winners?
Well, personal attacks aren't exactly counted as "good debating".
Manchuria is a territory/was a country and the Soviet invaded it, foight a campaign there and therefore made it a place for several battles and military manouvres.
The Kwantung army fought the Chinese in China, yes.
PoWs are counted as casualties.
The loser may ver well have better soldiers, however superity in numbers and equipment usually allows one to win.
Oh please, are you totally retarded? You yourself attacked my education (But don't worry, I have great deal of experience with 14 year old Swedes who have gone on an "university".).
And I simply pointed out Manchuria was a front. The Northern front versus the Chinese. They fought the Chinese, get it?
PS. By 1945, the Soviets were better soldiers anyway. Their army was heavily mechanized, and used brilliant tactics which allowed massive successes).
I did not "attack" your education. I merely pointed out you had been exposed to Soviet/Russian propaganda. My level of English must be highly advanced for 14 year old.
They did not fight the Chinese in Manchuria. The Chinese never made it that far and the Soviets invaded it so there wasn't any chance to capture it. However it's doubtful if the Chinese army ever would have been able to get that far. Would you care to give a source that supports that soviet soldiers were best. Non Russian please
Oh, be quiet. The only Propaganda exists in your head. Russian education is just as neutral as Swedish.
Oh jesus. The Kwantung army did fight in CHINA. Why are you bullshitting? Do you even know where Manchuria is on a map? If not, go check a map.
Why do I have to give a source? These facts are based on the Soviet achievements. Anyway.. Look at books. Or hell, look at the American show "Battlefields". They'l say the same, Soviets had one (if not the) greatest army in the world after WW2.
Manchuria was its own country, Kuomintang did not have any controll over Manchuria. Manchuria even had their own emperor. Are you familiar with the pre-ww2 borders at all?
If we are to look at achievements during the war, for instance, the Finnish Army had way much better soldiers than the soviets..
You are so smart, when making idiotic little guesses about things you never ever seen..
Believe me, we aren't all influenced by propaganda here, like you are ;).
Anyway.. Arghh... I know that Manchuria is a region, I was talking about the front. THE NORTHERN FRONT. THE MANCHURIA FRONT. WHERE THE FUCKING KWANTUNG ARMY FIGHTED! Ok?
PS. The Finns won because the Soviet army HAD NO GOOD COMMANDERS IN 1939 (ever1 were killed by Stalin). In 1944 they got their asses kicked, like the Germans.
Kinda makes me want to enlist... until I remember all that other stuff about people trying to shoot you and stuff. Takes all the fun out of it.
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baruch60610 2 months ago
Politics, Ideology notwithstanding, these are awesome musicians BRAVO!
steelersfanhawaii 4 months ago 2
This song puts a real boot up your ass and makes you wanna get up and fight for the Russian army!
aerotoxicosis 7 months ago 4
the big question is how to make the ideal socialism through internet and being hikkikomoris
Hoerwick 8 months ago
lol 2:03
chilliegillie 8 months ago
these pieces are really beautiful when there are certain measures of smooth legato mixed within the march itself
steelersfanhawaii 9 months ago
This isn´t on the road song... this theme is the classical "LET´S GO"
carlocrace 9 months ago
Le communisme libertaire est possible,c'est juste l'homme qui a perverti ce système et l'a rendu totalitaire et dictatorial...entre autres,Staline,Mao...
Nicolas1789k 9 months ago
@Nicolas1789k
Tu as entièrement raison : supprimons l'homme et nous accéderons enfin au communisme de nos rèves .
garneray 9 months ago
@garneray Je n'ai pas dis l'Homme avec un grand H mais je ne parlais que de certains hommes.Et il ne faut pas le supprimer mais le révolutionner.
Nicolas1789k 9 months ago
le monde aime sa haire le decompte des morts hein? lol commencer donc par cheker les genocide perpetrer par la france l angleterre les etats unis et etc.... sans farce l..urss est un ange a coté deux autres et je souhaite a souligner ke sans les programmes appilqué avec succès sous staline vous ne naitrier p-e pas ds des hopitaux et les campagne seclairerais a la chandelles ....autres benefice inégalé a mon avis Lunion sovietik a declanché la course a lespace ...usa eux acccumulait les bombes A
bulletproofboris 10 months ago
@bulletproofboris
"urss est un ange a coté deux autres"
T'es fumeur de beuh ou quoi, pour dire des âneries de propagande aussi grosses ?
"les programmes appilqué avec succès sous staline"
Quels programmes ? Ceux de massacre des élites des Forces Armées ? Des savants ? Des ingénieurs ? Des artistes ?
"vous ne naitrier p-e pas ds des hopitaux et les campagne seclairerais a la chandelles"
Eh oh ... l'oncle Joseph n'a pas inventé l'électricité ou les ampoules, que je sache ...
Briselance 10 months ago
@Briselance ok on recommance .... ou sa un monument o noir esclaves ? ou sa un monument o amerindien massacré ? tu crois ken 1700 yon gardé le nombre exact des morts? ecoute dude lestimation des chiffre ma te la dire moi c 160millions de personnes ki on payer de leur vie la naissance de lamerike telle kon la connais et 6 millions de juif pour hittler 50 millions les purges de staline noublion pas ke staline se netais pas viser contre une religion ou une race mais les opposant au regime
bulletproofboris 9 months ago
@bulletproofboris
"6 millions de juif "
Et des opposant(e)s. pas que des juifs.
"staline se netais pas viser contre une religion ou une race mais les opposant au regime"
Ah parce que ça le rend excusable, peut-être ?
Briselance 9 months ago
@bulletproofboris
""ou sa un monument o noir esclaves ? ou sa un monument o amerindien massacré ?"
Au moins, des noirs sont parvenus aux plus hautes fonctions de l'Etat, aux USA.
Ce que je veux dire aussi, c'est que les massacres d'Amérindiens ont fait l'objet de conférences, de colloques, d'excuses du gvt US.
Par contre, en Russie, à propos du goulag et autres crimes d'Etat Soviétiques, rien. Pas une stèle, pas une déclaration officielle. Que dalle.
Briselance 9 months ago
@bulletproofboris
Sans parler des assoc anti racistes en France et en Europe.
Briselance 9 months ago
Répondre à cette vidéo...non il ne la pas inventé mais c le premier a avoir fait ke se soit disponible pour tou le monde au pays
bulletproofboris 9 months ago
@bulletproofboris
"usa eux acccumulait les bombes A"
Oui. Et les Soviétiques, à partir de 1949, qu'ont-ils fait ? La même chose.
Briselance 10 months ago
@Briselance suivie par les UK la france l inde le pakistan la chine
bulletproofboris 9 months ago
@bulletproofboris
Même si la France, le Royaume-Uni et les U.S.A. ont commis des génocides, ils l'ont reconnu clairement et sans être ambigus.
Concernant le goulag, en Russie, y a-t-il le moindre monument, la moindre plaque à la mémoire de leurs victimes ? Ou à celles de la famine de 1933 ?
Briselance 10 months ago
CCCP for ever!!!!
Spoutnik1957 10 months ago 2
Vive l'URSS et longue vie au communisme.
Vicblivion 11 months ago
@Vicblivion
Vas donc dire ça à celles et ceux qui sont passé(e)s dans les goulags et qui ont survécu.
Vas donc dire ça à leurs familles et à leurs proches.
Sans parler des purges staliniennes des années 30 ... ça n'a fait qu'éliminer les meilleurs cadres des Forces Armées Soviétiques et faciliter l'opération Barbarossa.
Briselance 11 months ago
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@Briselance
Vas donc dire ça à celles et ceux qui sont passé(e)s dans les camps de prisonniers américain et qui ont survécu, ainsi qu'aux civils sacrifiés par la CIA.
Vas donc dire ça à leurs familles et à leurs proches.
Vicblivion 8 months ago
@Briselance
Sans parler de la chasse aux sorcières des années 40 à 90, l'éliminations des ouvriers syndiqués grâce à la mafia italienne, des pays démocratiques envahies par les Etats-unis pour y installer des dictatures fascistes ainsi que le bombardement massif de nations faisant le choix d'être neutre mais avec un gouvernement gauchiste.
C'est tout de suite plus dur de dire qui est le vrai monstre et lequel des deux est le moindre mal.
Vicblivion 8 months ago
@Vicblivion
"le bombardement massif de nations faisant le choix d'être neutre mais avec un gouvernement gauchiste."
Où ça ? Quand ça ?
"C'est tout de suite plus dur de dire qui est le vrai monstre et lequel des deux est le moindre mal."
Bof. Pas vraiment. À ton avis, le rideau de fer, les gens voulaient le passer dans quel sens ? Pour aller à l'Ouest. C'est même pour ça qu'ils ont construit le Mur de Berlin : pour empêcher les gens de quitter le "paradis socialiste" pour "l'enfer" capitaliste.
Briselance 8 months ago
@Vicblivion
En d'autres mots, si autant de gens ont voulu passer à l'Ouest, et sont parfois morts en essayant de le faire, l'Ouest n'a jamais eu le moindre besoin de construire le moindre mur pour empêcher sa population de partir.
Si, par contre, ils en ont ressenti le besoin à l'Est, c'est qu'on y vivait moins bien, à de nombreux points de vue, les moindres n'étant pas les purges régulières affectant toute la société Soviétique.
Briselance 8 months ago
@Vicblivion
Ça te paraîtra sans doute simpliste, mais pourquoi chercher midi à quatorze heures ? Pourquoi chercher à faire des discussions d'apothicaires quand on a l'évidence en face des yeux ?
Briselance 8 months ago
С такими песнями наши деды укладывали врага штабелями ,а щас-бабки ,телки,водка....))))Да низкий поклон им ,что нам -долбням еще расказывают и учат ,что мы славяне и мы прежде всего люди ,а не обезьяны клановые-общинные ...)))
sergeybrik 1 year ago
et si vous aviez connu (comme moi dans les années 70's) les travailleurs soviétiques qui partaient travaillers en chantant cette chanson : grandiose !
longue vie à la Russie
irtioli14 1 year ago
this is "Lets Go", not "En Route"
TenoValdi 1 year ago
@TenoValdi En route is quite much the same as "let's go" in French (the guy who posted video is french)
GuessIIIwho 1 year ago
What ewer, doesn´t mather what or where!! The music is all! Thaks of these best of Russian Red Army Choir sings! Toppen på Svenska ja komiata suomeksi =)
lellona2008 1 year ago
long life to the great Russia !!
greetings from Paris, France
rempageable 1 year ago 16
Je dois m'avouer vaincu, c'est beau!
Folbold 1 year ago
Hi guys,can anyone tell me where i can get more of this style music. I am crazy about the russian choirs tempo & harmonies! I've searched all over but the Red Army Choir stands out. I havnt come across anything like it. please help
thaabied1 1 year ago 2
This concert took place in Jerusalem in 1992 and the conductor is Igor Agafonnikov, a former Bolshoi choir conductor.
Best greetings from France!
mymyn69 1 year ago
russian army is not only war, its art.
vulpecula132 1 year ago 11
it was some achievement to stop the nazis and throw them back by all the peoples of the ussr
TheBrinaleck 1 year ago
Un admirable Coro, desde que los escuche por primera vez en los años sesenta, siempre han estado dentro de mi repertorio musico-coral. Que viva el ensamble del coro y la banda del Ejército ruso...
sergixtepec1 1 year ago
génial
pierrewaldn 1 year ago
Ura!
TheRedRussianSoldier 1 year ago
this song is from movie Maxim Perepetlitsa, it was made in 1955, after this it was used as march of the soviet army. :)
SoviMusic 1 year ago
April 15th 2010, was at a Red Army Choir concert this afternoon in Reims (France), simply wonderful amazing performance !
My 2 kopek.
Bibopelulatovitch
BIBOPELULA 1 year ago
Seriously enjoy the music for what it is! Discussing your political views almost ruins it.
Curtdogg509 2 years ago 16
@Curtdogg509
You're totally right.
Briselance 1 year ago
No matter where they come from, no matter which political system they use, music is good, and these singers are among the best in the world since years.
I dig Red Army Choir since the 60's with famous Boris Alessandrov leading, and I'm surely not communist, nor socialist or even capitalist, just trying to be free from others ideology.
My two cents.
BIBOPELULA 2 years ago 4
Even capitalism is shit, it is better than communism (totalitarism because the idea of communism is interesting but the human been can not apply it).
I dont care but the music is great some people says that the chor just used ukrainian and russian, it is true however these song really great (both)
timzawa 2 years ago
I don't care about what kind of ideology we've fighting over. As long as this song inspires me and my people to do our duty for the betterment of our beloved nation.
MingmingHill400 2 years ago
red army rules
socialism rules
greetings from China
maomao667 2 years ago 6
@maomao667 china isn't socialist anymore!
Sliniak5 2 years ago 3
Glory to socialism, long live to mother URSS, we dont need capitalism.
ZIPZZAP 2 years ago 74
@ZIPZZAP USSR*
stayelusive 2 years ago
@ZIPZZAP
Dude, USSR collapsed in 1991, you know. (insert mild sarcasm here) ;-)
Briselance 1 year ago
@ZIPZZAP blablabla
demoniosinalas 1 year ago
Plus sérieusement, on peut imaginer les futures générations avoir une vision différente de ces oeuvres dans le système post-capitaliste qui nous attends. Plus critique, mais plus honete aussi.
ZIPZZAP 1 year ago
@ZIPZZAP It's the USSR.
Union of Socialist Soviet Republics
NLFonsseals 10 months ago
@NLFonsseals
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Horror2Horror 10 months ago
@Horror2Horror Oh, in Dutch it's how i said it. And besides, it's practically the same.
NLFonsseals 9 months ago
@ZIPZZAP
The computer you used to write your comment : brought to you by ... capitalists. ^^
Briselance 10 months ago
@Briselance
I know....but...
You dont get it, I'm sorry. Im am not ANTI Capitalist. This is sooo overrated :) No one is very ANTI- Capitalism in these days, this is past, only the old belivers with they faith in libéralism belive in that duality ...
No no... I am PRO Post-Capitalism. This is différent, we dont fight. (fight who ?) We just understand that a decade is going to past, and we wonder how to do it too passed without hurting our kind.
ZIPZZAP 10 months ago
@ZIPZZAP
Post capitalist ? So you seek some kind of third path that is not communism nor capitalism. Is that it ?
Briselance 10 months ago
@Briselance
The duality Communism / Capitalism Is wrong. In the fact, communisme stay Capitalist. Look China, the best exemple. The duality is Economic liberalism via anarchi and anti-Statism (with fake state that juste lets happens ) / Statism and effective democratie via social organisation.
ZIPZZAP 10 months ago
@ZIPZZAP
There is not a possible future with the actual liberal syste, it a question of survival. How many years could we produce for the profit ? 10 100 500 ? We die before finding a way to survive. The world is not infinite, the libéral cake is a lie
ZIPZZAP 10 months ago
@ZIPZZAP
What you need is nationalism.
Capitalism and Communism were both invented by Jews to destroy the nation State, race, religion and familly.
Nationalism - Patriotism is the right path.
EyeforanEye88 9 months ago
@EyeforanEye88 I don't get why people always got something against Jews. I am a christian but i have respect for every religion so also jews
chilliegillie 8 months ago
@EyeforanEye88
It has little to do with religion, but with a certain "group of evil" people who seem to worship the devil...
Karl Marx of which you probably are a fan of - .. was not only a Jew - but was an Atheist Jew...and actually a 'Satanist'..
That the people who overthrew the Czar and established Atheist Communism in Russia were all Jews, - that - nobody can deny
EyeforanEye88 8 months ago
@EyeforanEye88 Communism is against religion( except christian communism), Karl Marx said even that religion is the opium of the people. I understand what you think , but Marx wanted to overthrew the regime because 90% of the people had miserable lives , he wanted a society where everything is better, that doesn't make a satanist of you. The catolic Church said indeed that he was a satanist
chilliegillie 8 months ago
@EyeforanEye88
"That the people who overthrew the Czar and established Atheist Communism in Russia were all Jews, - that - nobody can deny"
And people who elected A.H. in 1933 were all super-hardcore nazis. Every single last one of them.
So, ""That the people who overthrew the Czar and established Atheist Communism in Russia were all Jews, - that - nobody can deny"
Well, I deny it. Since I haven't seen any damn single piece of potential evidence to support that affirmation.
Briselance 8 months ago
@Briselance Lenin was jew.
costyca1985 4 months ago in playlist Preferatele utilizatorului costyca1985
@costyca1985
Yeah. So ?
Briselance 4 months ago
@costyca1985 Trotsky and Andropov too
MyraiTrunks 1 week ago in playlist YouTubov miks za The Red Army Choir
@EyeforanEye88
Oi, mate ! Seriously, you got to lay it off, with your jew-thing. Like they're responsible for every single trouble.
If my car breaks down, is it a jew's fault, for having supplied bad mechanical parts ? No, it's mine for not having maintained my car properly. If I get diarrhea, is it a jew's fault ? No, it's mine for not having been careful enough about what I ate.
And what about stupidity ? Was it invented by the jews, too ?
Briselance 8 months ago
@ZIPZZAP Only those can say that thing who did not live under soviet oppression. But the song is still cool :)
KMerse1 9 months ago
absolutely right comrade. It was stalin who eliminated "the internationale" as the anthem of the USSR. Nationalism is nothing but a petty bourgeois reaction against the internationalism of the revolutionary movement, and Stalinism is socialism's worst enemy.
grupokorova 2 years ago 3
i love this song but it was made in 1945 not 1954
MrRussia45 2 years ago
Chlapci ale musite uznať že majú niečo do seba.
johan5x94 2 years ago
it's funny and even ignorant how some equate the power of that music with supposed glory of the totalitarian system of terror that was USSR. I think that the greatness of this music is reflection of greatness of Russian soul that survived in spite of the horrible regime and has nothing to do with the political system under which tens of millions of innocents died in hopelessness of gulags, which to any thinking man, should be the final and irrefutable condemnation of that system.
RoccoSiffredski 2 years ago 8
They'll never understand the strength of our Slav souls and the power of our hearts... Greetings from Serbia
crashoveryu 2 years ago 6
so rocco, you were there? because you speak so sure and knowledgeable about the situation, or maybe you just dont know. you're only guessing. you call ussr horrible, how do you call iraq? guantanamo? abu-greib? afganistan (where thanks to the US invasion, men are now legally allowed to starve their wives when they refuse sex, the US id of freedom? they own the place and occupy it... or maybe we just dont know...
shorun666 2 years ago 6
I believe that some phenomena can be condemned without necessarily having been experienced first hand. To take your logic of immediate experience to its extreme, one could never condemn gas chambers because one was never inside them, yet I believe that you have a position vis-a-vis Nazi regime that is largely negative (am I wrong here?). Secondly, you appear to think that just because I condemn USSR I am necessarily ready to defend the US actions with regard to violations of human rights.
RoccoSiffredski 2 years ago 5
if i told you there were places were people were gassed because of what they think, you would hate the idea itself. this is normal, if then so many people can actually report that they were used for this, when half of the population of europe lost friends or relatives, that's when you form an opinion about something you did not expirience first hand. with the USSR however you hear a lot of rumors, but hardly ever is there any kind of proof or argumentation. like in this case.
shorun666 2 years ago
How is it that in the recent case of defamation brought by Stalin's grandson for calling Stalin 'murderer', the court ruled in favour of the newspaper? When answering, I think you will grant me the assumption that it is politically undesirable for Putin&co to have Stalin as 'murderer', so pressure would be on the courts to rule the other way. There you have an argument supporting that evidence must be irrefutable even to domestic courts operating under opposing political pressures.
RoccoSiffredski 2 years ago
shorun, oh please. College initiation is worse than what the detainees had at all those camps. I am not going to go PC and whine and cry about the rights of monsters sworn to kill me and my family. You can, that's your right. But, don't deny me mine. Before you say a bloody thing, YES, I was there!!! And have you worn any thing other than a "Boy Scout" uniform?? =Stefan=
chengloki 2 years ago
i agree.
america is as bad if not worse than the U.S.S.R. but when you think about it no country really is. china had its 1000 flowers act britan started the slave triangle, so on and so forth etc etc.... were all horible. the only reason we view them in a negitive light is because there gone and the only dident like thm to begin with.
simple as that.
rickwyles 2 years ago
It was the blood of the soviet citizen that won world war 2, and achieved every achievement that the soviet union had in it's time of existence. It had nothing to do with it's leaders.
Glory to the people of the soviet union! Slava narodu!
Stinkywrix 2 years ago 111
@Stinkywrix
"It was the blood of the soviet citizen that won world war 2"
The blood of Soviets citizens, that's for sure ... AND the bloods of all other peoles that fought against nazism. Don't forget the other Allies, mate.
Briselance 1 year ago
@Stinkywrix So central planning, logistics, generals, advisers, they added nothing. Simply form a group of Russians and win a war? Ok.
theblackout27 1 year ago
@theblackout27 The 12-14 million civilian death count was a large motivator.
MaoiMeowi2 1 year ago
@MaoiMeowi2 Umm, that still doesn't explain how the leaders played no role in the victory.
theblackout27 1 year ago
@theblackout27 Soviet leaders did very little- all they did was rally the people. Soviet commanders, however, were the ones to be commended.
MaoiMeowi2 1 year ago
@MaoiMeowi2 I consider leaders of the USSR to be some Generals and commanders. Generals in the USSR held pretty vast political power... Regardless, the praise to just the people is stupid. That was the point I was making. You need leaders.
theblackout27 1 year ago
@theblackout27 Without people, there are no commanders. Without THE people, no one is there to be commanded.
MaoiMeowi2 1 year ago
@MaoiMeowi2 Semantics. I never downplayed the importance of the people - Stinky downplayed the role of central power and leadership.
Communism does emphasis a central government to share the wealth among the people, after all.
theblackout27 1 year ago
@theblackout27 Communism emphasizes a stateless society where there is no capital and everything is owned by the people as a whole.
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What I was saying is that for commanders to be good or bad, there needs to be a people who produce soldiers for them to command. Therefore, the people are much more important than commanders, since people ensure that commanders can do their job.
MaoiMeowi2 1 year ago
@MaoiMeowi2 Then what are we going back and forth about? I agree, I just was making a point that saying all the glory belonged to the common people, the common soldier, and not to the commanders and leaders was stupid. Both are critical to a war effort..
theblackout27 1 year ago
@theblackout27 But both can be more necessary than the other, depending on how you look at it.
MaoiMeowi2 1 year ago
@Stinkywrix As an American I am also a WWll historian.Your comments are well understood by me.The Russian people suffered horrible.I do have an opinion.First,Stalin should have been shot.Stalin's top spy in the west warned Stalin Hitler was going to attack.What does Stalin do,instead of telling Marshall Zhukov to take emergency preparations,he shoots his top spy.God only knows how many Russians would have been saved if Stalin listened to his spy.Stalin and Hitler caused much death to Russia.
FRANK1FM 8 months ago
@FRANK1FM indeed , also die rote kapelle warned him but he just didn't do a thing
chilliegillie 8 months ago
The title in russian is "В Путь" which means "On the road" (literally) but in english the best meanning is "In march". I heard also this music in the end of the film "Maxim Perepelitsa" which is an old russian film about WWII.
Sinon c'est une superbe chanson, j'adore :)
Imperator1344 2 years ago 4
"Soldiers On The March!" is the correct title of this song.
LEOPARDTWO 2 years ago 3
It's a funny remark, I laughed at your humor....but no! in a choir there are different voices....who sing different of each other...and some don't even sing in some songs, where is no need for them...or when the volume of that voice doesn't need to be so high, only a few members of that voice sing....so be sure nobody took them there for...."modelling".....this choir is one of the greatest in music history...
latincharro 2 years ago 5
All people who loves soviet music, here is a side whit this and other great soviet songs.
" SovMusic,ru" in English and Russian you can decide. If you can't find somethink take an alphabetical list.
For every man is possible to download each song for free.
You can get lyrics posters and any more on the subject of Sovietunion.
DDFoxtrott 3 years ago
I Love It =)....and RUSSIA, I love you too ^^
xxx14xxxy 3 years ago 5
Friend of the fatherless!
Fountain of happiness!
Lord of the swill-bucket! Oh, how my soul is on
SportingCPJV 3 years ago
most people in those camps were the real communists protesting against staline concessions to imperialists
and BETRAYAL of MANY REVOLUTIONS
(SPAIN ,CHINA ,etc....);
ROY MEDVEDEV in his book :IN THE TRIAL OF HISTORY has the names and has documented them very preciseley
with NAMEs and DATES.
1951canada 3 years ago
actually, i think (correct me if wrong) most of the gulag prisoners were petty thieves, often people stealing to support their families, arrested/shot under the stalinist "misappropriation of socialist property" law.
but as far as political criminals go, you are absolutely right. the purges annihilated what remained of the party of lenin..
soakchips 3 years ago
fuck german nazi
1951canada 3 years ago 3
The conductor looks like Putin ;)
BitFoxhound 3 years ago
Damn right ,he looks like POUTNE,maybe
he is;Some extra cashhhh doesn't hurt!!!
1951canada 3 years ago
(to 1951canada and BitFoxHound)
Maybe he's a hidden, older, little bit more chubby and less evil Putin twin. Who knows ?
That would be fun to learn it's true. ^^
Briselance 3 years ago
This song was written in 1954 for the movie "Maxim Perepelitsa".
chekvb 3 years ago
It was made in 1945, and i agree this is one of the best soviet songs indeed
GreenCacktus 3 years ago 3
This is one of the best Russian Communist era songs. I beleieve it was created around 50's? Together with the famous some comical movie about a solider? Anyway, very GOOD.
universexf6 3 years ago
Powerful!...Bravissimi.
Philly1967 3 years ago 4
Idiots! It is merely a great song. Head to political forums to debate regarding ideology.
ComradeSocialist 3 years ago 3
someone have the lyrics of that song in russian??
PhillipGerwald 3 years ago
Great song of The Red Army!
danilovsky22 3 years ago
A tribute to the genius and bravery of one man - the truly noble Stalin. I and countless others are alive today because of this great hero. All praise to the decent and humble soldier who saved us. Our Stalin!
swanningaround 3 years ago
ok you guys ever heard the song 3 tankista? listen to it. look up manchuria on wikipedia USSR owned japan as soon as they set foot to mongolia. note the KURIL ISLANDS that were taken away and are still being debated about... anyway enough politics from japanese konoyaro's enjoy the music
novoyazemlya 3 years ago 6
Sakhalin is where I was born.
itsahypocriticalword 3 years ago 2
I think the soviet union would have beaten Germany down eventually by itself if the US didnt enter the war - but it would have been much more difficult and bloodier than it was.
Killazer 3 years ago 7
The Japs surrended because they hoped Russians will negotiate for them with Western Allies.So,not the nukes were the reason,but the Russians being Communist.The Russians would never allow The Emperor to stay in his throne,and that was the MAIN REASON FOR SURRENDER.And ,by the way,in 1937,Russians kicked hard the Japs in Mongolia.Go and learn some history,and after post here.
SAS22uk 3 years ago
if Hitler hadnt declared war on US afterJapan attacked Pearl Harbour,they would never have fired a shot.
354sd 3 years ago
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hunk42 3 years ago
Американец на этом участке вероятно пробует сложить это в мешок, но действительно они никогда не побеждали против России. Не только это, но и Америка медленно падает их сам. Россия повышается, так - фарфор и Индия. Ад американцы не мог даже победить во Вьетнаме против некоторых сельских жителей с ak-47. Американцы - дерзкие, эгоистичные идиоты, которые думают, что они - главное дерьмо.
klasco1991 3 years ago
Let the socialism come back!I"m sure the Americans will be no more exist!hahaha the end is coming...did anyone saw what Georgia did?what does the gorgian president wants?that little coward he doesn't know that Russia can fight even if the whole world stands a gainst Russia....comrade Abdulbary,republic of Iraq
Abdulmutanabi 3 years ago
um NATO could take down russia. I mean hell the Germans were kickign russia ass tell the Western allies started doing somthing lol.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
LoL! Check your history books. The Russians were already in Germany's frontiers when the Western Allies decided to do something in June 1944. Such ignorance....
lape2002 3 years ago
allies decided to do somthing? lol. allies were in europe in 1943 bud, an were the first in GERMANY, in late 44.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
In 1944 85% of all german troops and weaponry were in the eastern front, USSR Defeated germany almost alone.
Just around 300.000 americans died in WWII. How you dare to say that allies did something? Germany was already defeated when they decided to do something. Unfortunattley this is not the right place to discuss such things, but you must stop watching History Channel and Discovery and try to have reliable sources of information
It's just sad to see such an ignorant commentary.
leite0507 3 years ago 4
lol. russia could not have defeated the Germans alone also U.S an Britian kept russia alive with mass food aid an military aid. Americans are smart an dont' charge Mg's head on with no ammo, an also fought a 2 front war unlike russia's 1 front.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
xD...lol...the americans had just a small army in europe...u know maybe?!...i wouldn'd call that a front, anyway, britain wouldn't exist anymore without the help of the CCCP ;)...the US had no real front in the pacific against Japan, they had to fly hours, to see the enemy...they didn't fight there, they just bombed Japan out of the air...
however, the CCCP had more then 10 million soldiers in the war, it was simple not possible to bring them food from CCCP, so the britains helped them ;)
ghettobaerbel 3 years ago
Small army? it was the bigest one on the western front. um an britian wouldn't have been around without the U.S vBUT that fought of the Germans thing called Battle Of Britian, U.S was suppling the brits a shit ton. russia wasn't supplying jack O WAIT THAT'S RIGHT! RUSSIA WAS ALLIED WITH THE GERMANS. an germany an Russia gang raped Poland.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
also the pacific front had fronts dumbass the the battles in the pacific was very tough. Japan had a huge Navy an huge Airforce, an U.S didn't simply bomb the japs from the air lol. the land fighting was in some area's was much harder then the Euro front. places like Iwo Jima,Guadaulcanal Etc. japs didn't like taking Prisoners or Surrendering. they fought to the death. an were very suicidal in there cause.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
you do realize that the U.S gave the USSR the most supplies right? lol. 15,000 alone went to russia. over 500 ships. an god know's how much food. WHICH! the USSR took the food stickers off the can that said made in the U.S an added CCCP on it. you need to read history buddy.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
Yeah, thats why the allies where pissing their pants with the idea of Stalin invading the rest of Europe.Because they had the power to resist the vast numbers or armoured divisions of the Red Army.Sure........
Aedile 3 years ago
you know nothing about military stuff do you lol? maybe you shoudl brush up on some WW2 history a vast amount of tanks means shit. hell the NAto forces never really made near as many tanks as the USSR did why? cause it's stupid. all you need to do is hit the logistics trucks an training an those tanks are going no where.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
A vast amount of tanks means nothing during WW2? I bet the Russians won because they were farting fireballs from their arses.
Aedile 3 years ago
open your ears civilian minded dumbass. tanks need fuel an ammo plus food for the crews you kill the logistics you kill the force. also the germans as small as they were were still killing 10 russians for every 1 german lost.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
many of the german soldiers were given meth. by the way, which branch did you serve in?
NELHAOTEC 3 years ago
So Germany lost the war due to logistics and not because they could not replace the lost equipment and crew.And of course,the allies were able to replace theirs,but how fast?
Aedile 3 years ago
if the germasn lsot a Tiger tank it couldn't be replaced. if a Shermam was lost it was replaced with in 6 hours.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
why u kill people in iraq and usin countries all over the world?????
loveinrussia 3 years ago
Dogmeat7, faggin' around I see? The Soviet army could have EASILY survived. At the VERY WORST CASE, 25% of all food was supplied by the allies.
Stop being a fucking morone. The majority of the lendlease came after 43.
Nikitns 3 years ago
soviet union fight aloso in china against the japan, and remember that no one that have attacked the russian lands from europe had win
hitler simpli don't have the power to defeted soviet union
m3st3ss0 3 years ago
the USSR came into Manchira if the very last days of the war an land grabbed an was only fighting the Japanese peaseant army. an russia gave the world North Korea GJ! dumbass! sorry but not many ppl look at the russians as good guys lol.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
Err, the USSR came into Manchuria, and smashed the Japanese Kwantung army to picies. They were far more then peasents.
500,000 Japanese, KIA, WIA or captured. This was the main reason for the Japs surrender.
Nikitns 3 years ago
wow your dumb. they were a consript army lol. the USSR fought. also the Main reason for the Japs surrender was the Nuclear Bomb. there whoel counry was going to fight to the death also. as more proff to your stupid ass claim. they were conscripts an most were not Japanese. why? cause the Japs don't surrender. go look at all the other battles of how many of them surrender. maybe just barly a handful. learn some stuff not Commey education.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
The same retardedness? 80,000 Japs were KIA in a matter of days. 640,000 surrendered.
The Japanese were cought completely by surprise, in several unfortified positions. The Soviet high command were veterans of WW2, and were great tacticians and strategists.
The Kwantung army consisted largly of veterans.
Nikitns 3 years ago
The Soviet faced mostly 2nd rate troop as the Japanese had their best soldiers in active fronts. Japan was overstretched on the verge of collapse and it's army in Manchuria was badly equipped and badly trained. Also as noted, the army didn't consist of Japanese, most were Manchurians(i.e. Chinese) and their moral wasn't the best. Conquering Manchuria really isn't anything to brag about...
engizz 3 years ago
The Japanese lacked equipment, and there were 500,000 JAPANESE there, and 200,000 Manchurians.
They weren't useless trainees like you say.
Anyway, the reason of the Soviet sucsess = Soviet men were extremely well trained and well equipped, lots of tanks and artillery and very good generals.
The Japanese couldn't resist such a mechanized force.
Nikitns 3 years ago
The troops, Manchurian, Korean or Japanese, doesn't really matter. They were 2nd rate troops and most were inexperienced and badly equipped - lacking in support and anti-tank weaponry. They faced a well equipped and experienced enemy.
If the soviet soldiers were so well-trained and had such great generals(I do admit the SU did have some very talanted generals) why did the Germans reach Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad and the Caucasus if they had such good soldiers and leadership? ;)
engizz 3 years ago
Yes, but these troops were good enough to hold of the Chinese.
Anyway... Stalin killed our generals (one of the best in the world) in the great purge, so in 1941-1943 we lacked leadership and experience. But by 1945, our army was the best in the world. Blitzkreig tactics had been taken to a new level, our troops were all very well trained and well equipped, we had advanced weaponry and our leadership was good.
Nikitns 3 years ago 2
Yes, the good troops were holding off the Chinese, in China, not in Manchuria.
Not that many soviet conscripts were well-trained however morale was higher and many had expirience from fighting in the great patriotic war.
10 million soldiers lost in 4 years - Best in the world? No. However a lot better than in 1941.
engizz 3 years ago
1. SIGH* Incase you didn't know, Manchuria was a big battlefield. Educate yourself.
2. 7,000,000 KIA, 3,000,000 Killed in nazi camps mate. The Axis lost 5,200,000. In 1944/1945 the Soviets had a very high kill rate.
3. Dude, the Germans themselves said those Soviet ''conscripts'' were very fierce and well trained in 1943. They sure as hell out went the Americans in terms of fighting efficiency, that ain't even discussed.
Just face it, our men were the best soldiers by 1945. Clearly.
Nikitns 3 years ago 2
I wonder which one of us has the best education concerning the subject. However, I do know you apparently have taken part of some extremely biased information deriving from Soviet/Russian propaganda. Btw Manchuria wasn't a battlefield, it's a geographical/political territory and a campaign was fought there Between Japan/Manchuria vs SU. So, the Soviets fought on one major front, Germany fought on 3 major fronts and only lost half as many soldiers as SU. Hmm.. Who could have been better...
engizz 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure your education is inferior, based on your debating ;).
Manchuria was a front. The Kwantung army had been taking part of offensives against the Chinese for 8 years. So no, you are wrong.
I'm not counting total German losses, but AXIS losses on the eastern front. KIA figures. And I don't understand, are you stupid enough to count 3.6 million Soviet soldiers who died in Nazi Concentration camps as combat casualties?
PS.Who was the better soldiers, the losers or the winners?
Nikitns 3 years ago
Well, personal attacks aren't exactly counted as "good debating".
Manchuria is a territory/was a country and the Soviet invaded it, foight a campaign there and therefore made it a place for several battles and military manouvres.
The Kwantung army fought the Chinese in China, yes.
PoWs are counted as casualties.
The loser may ver well have better soldiers, however superity in numbers and equipment usually allows one to win.
engizz 3 years ago
Oh please, are you totally retarded? You yourself attacked my education (But don't worry, I have great deal of experience with 14 year old Swedes who have gone on an "university".).
And I simply pointed out Manchuria was a front. The Northern front versus the Chinese. They fought the Chinese, get it?
PS. By 1945, the Soviets were better soldiers anyway. Their army was heavily mechanized, and used brilliant tactics which allowed massive successes).
Nikitns 3 years ago
I did not "attack" your education. I merely pointed out you had been exposed to Soviet/Russian propaganda. My level of English must be highly advanced for 14 year old.
They did not fight the Chinese in Manchuria. The Chinese never made it that far and the Soviets invaded it so there wasn't any chance to capture it. However it's doubtful if the Chinese army ever would have been able to get that far. Would you care to give a source that supports that soviet soldiers were best. Non Russian please
engizz 3 years ago
Oh, be quiet. The only Propaganda exists in your head. Russian education is just as neutral as Swedish.
Oh jesus. The Kwantung army did fight in CHINA. Why are you bullshitting? Do you even know where Manchuria is on a map? If not, go check a map.
Why do I have to give a source? These facts are based on the Soviet achievements. Anyway.. Look at books. Or hell, look at the American show "Battlefields". They'l say the same, Soviets had one (if not the) greatest army in the world after WW2.
Nikitns 3 years ago
Russian education - maybe. Russian media - no.
Manchuria was its own country, Kuomintang did not have any controll over Manchuria. Manchuria even had their own emperor. Are you familiar with the pre-ww2 borders at all?
If we are to look at achievements during the war, for instance, the Finnish Army had way much better soldiers than the soviets..
engizz 3 years ago
You are so smart, when making idiotic little guesses about things you never ever seen..
Believe me, we aren't all influenced by propaganda here, like you are ;).
Anyway.. Arghh... I know that Manchuria is a region, I was talking about the front. THE NORTHERN FRONT. THE MANCHURIA FRONT. WHERE THE FUCKING KWANTUNG ARMY FIGHTED! Ok?
PS. The Finns won because the Soviet army HAD NO GOOD COMMANDERS IN 1939 (ever1 were killed by Stalin). In 1944 they got their asses kicked, like the Germans.
Nikitns 3 years ago 2