Paramount wanted Kirstie Alley to reprise the role in ST3. But she had got positive reviews for her work in ST2 and a TV movie she had made, so her asking price was more than they were willing to pay.
I read that book. She had a tattoo on her shoulder, and explained to him after uhhh, they boffed that she grew up on a slave colony. And, that Spock had rescued her when she was a child.
@spacebumwa U may hav a better memory of the book than I. Did it explain how they came to boff given her logic? And I am wondering, did u picture the Kirstie Alley Saavik or the Robin Curtis Saavik?
It's unfortunate to think that we have to wait for all of these people to die before there'll be permission to finally start putting some great deleted scenes on DVD. At the moment, it's all still in the hands of knobs who don't want us to see it or something.
so does david always know Kirk is his father? because I've watched the movie three times in the past week and I never notice when the revelation is made. someone help please?
so does david always know Kirk is his father? because I've watched the movie three times in the past week and I never notice when the revelation is made. someone help please?
Despite the smooth editing, this left an incomplete feeling with me. I think you should have devoted more time to this project so that it didn't look like we went halfway across the galaxy because it was the only camera in the quadrant.
Does anyone have any of the other deleted scenes from Wrath of Khan like when Chekov and Terrell went down on CA 5, they found a young boy in the Botany Bay ship, and towards the end the boy was on the Reliant right before the Genesis device exploded. Also there are additional scenes of Kirk talking to Khan on Reliant. I had to read the script just to remember some of those old scenes that I haven't seen in years...
I never knew Saavik was half Romulan - that explains why she seemed so emotional throughout the movie, compared to Humans at least. You live and learn.
Personally, I think the Romulan bit works in her favor, especially with Robin as the actress. Since Romulans do have emotions, and can express them, it explains why Kirstie cries at Spock's funeral, and makes it much easier to accept Robin's take on Saavik, as well.
@Tarotlynx Vulcans have emotions like any other humanoid, their control and lack of expression of them is acquired through training from a very young age due to cultural norms and pressures. The amount of control would certainly vary with the individual Vulcan. When something severe happens such as the death of someone close to them, most Vulcans if not all would probably have a hard time completely containing themselves in those cases. Tears would be expected even if she were fully Vulcan.
Where did you get this footage? I just got a DVD of the ABC version and it did not contain these scenes, much to my disapointment. Also, does this version happen to have the scene where Sulu talks about his promotion to Captain of the Exelsior? I read an article by George Takei about that scene. Also, it does sound like the music in those shots are from another movie and thus part of a temp track. So would this be a copy of the original workprint? Man, I wanna see more!
@ironhandz1 I've read in various biographies and "making of
books that the "Captain Sulu" scene was purposely sabotaged by Shatner, flubbing his lines and taking up too much time so that it was never completely filmed. Apparently he had some issues with another "Captain" among the Enterprise Crew, and from what I've read seems plausible given his ego and dickish nature.
@ironhandz1 Apparently loads of deleted scenes exist for TWOK, including footage where Terrell and Chekov discover children of Khan's followers in the Botany Bay. There's a few stills on the the Trek sites. Unfortunately only a small percentage of them have surfaced even after all this time.
The deleted scenes uploaded here are from a promotional reel which was shown to the press in the run up to TWOK's release. I wish Meyer had gathered them all for the DVD. Perhaps Paramount has lost them...
Pity those weren't in the movie, I think they would've been good. Oh, well. I still consider Saavik half Romulan, call me crazy if you want. Thanks for sharing!
I know he was in TNG episode. The one where the crew find a planet of people who are desperate for a particulair medication,but they are in fact addicted to a narcotic.
Merritt R. Butrick Died 17 March 1989 of AIDS. Also suffering from brain cancer. No reliable source on how he got HIV. I source I have read but can't verify says that he got HIV from a blood transfusion in 1979 or 1980 after a car accident. At that time blood wasn't screened for HIV.
@SagansMoon I agree with trekkerhappy on Enterprise. It really does get so much better after the first season, so do yourself a favor and revisit it as I'm sure you will thoroughly enjoy it. As far as Stargate Universe (and all of the Stargate series for that matter) goes, I could just never get into that show and don't understood what the big deal was/is. Live Long and Prosper!
You may well be right. I didn't get that far into the show. After one season of watching Archer threatening women and blustering, I abandoned it. (Although I did like the rest of the cast). Maybe one day I'll go back. But not yet...
Robin Curtis was much more realistic in her portrayal of a Vulcan/ Romulan mix. Kirstie did an OK job, but was emotionally "wishy-washy" in an almost weak way. If you read the novels & view classic Trek and Next Generation shows, Romulans are emotional, but stoic and passionate. They try to portray strength. Robin did a pretty good job of that. Her stoicism fit in with typical Romulans and Vulcans. Too many people are judging by the "cuteness factor" instead of quality. Robin's acting = an A+
@ACLTony hell, i think robin curtis was more attractive than kirstie alley.. i dont know, but for some reason you could see "fat actress" in the making even back then, i guess im saying im not surprized. and acting alone? she was very 'emotional', perhaps the romulan comment was shot at last moment to counter her "acting", similiar to the decision to throw in spocks line "remember" ad hoc,
@ACLTony in the novel versions of trek 2 and 3, Saavik is highly emotional and is at constant war with herself to control her emotions. she was always an outcast among the Vulcans who found her as an orphan infant and raised her. when Preston died she went into a dark conference room and tore it apart with grief (in the book she is his tutor and did have a fondness for him) in 3, she and David have a relationship and killed one of the klingons bare handed before she was stunned
I think both actresses did a terrific job with the clues they were given about the character- Kirstie Alley ran with the "none of the facial immobility of a Vulcan" script note and made that work, while Robin Curtis' more stoic version fitted well into the context of the third movie- I don't find it unlikely that also Saavik matured/became more stoic when Spock died, although I think Curtis sounded slightly TOO unemotional at the part when Saavik told Kirk that David was dead.
I read somewhere from an interview from Kirstie Alley, that at the time there was not going to be her character in the Search for Spock, and by the time that the movie was being produced her schedule on other TV shows was in conflict with movie schedules and due to contract issues she had to decline the part.
That is true...AND...because of her success on Cheers, she was asking for way more money than Paramount was prepared to pay her. Star Trek 2 was her very first role...TV or film or otherwise. Robin Curtis agreed to do the part for the amount Paramount was originally going to pay Kirstie.
Why didn't they keep Kirstie Alley instead of Robin Curtis for the next two films?! Thanks for uploading this! I wish they left in the second scene. I think David died too soon in III and wasn't fully developed.
The best place to find out hard to find info is wikepedia which says she had high salary demands. I remember reading an interview where she said Shatner made advances on her. True or not if he heard that he prob wouldnt want her back either.
This is the first time I have seen these scenes since April of 1982. I was at a sci-fi/fantasy/comic book convention at a community college in Overland Park, KS called "Fool's Con" and someone had brought in a bootleg video of a preview for ST2. It was probably meant for movie theater owners so they would have an idea of what the movie would be like. Several parts of that preview never made it to the final version of the film, including these two scenes.
ROFL! I met one of my girlfriends the year this movie came out. When she looked me up a few years ago, she was as big as Kirstie Alley. This woman was psycho and was mad I got married after dumped me! I refer to her now as The Wrath of Blonde!
So many comments. I'm sorry if someone already said this. Why would Kirk introduce the two of them? They just spent hours in the Genesis cave together. Wouldn't you think they'd at least know each others' names?
Although the actor died, still I think the Kirk son character shouldn't have been killed off.
Another actor could have played him and it might have made a very interesting series. Could have been an interesting conflict between his mother's scientif/explorer side vs the Quasi-military side of his starfleet father.
You Know something if you look it up all the major actors in wrath of Khan who were not star trek regulars died young (as in 65 or younger) except Kirstie Ally (who has yet to be 65) and Ricardo Montalban who died at 88. I refer to this as the wrath of Khan curse and have found no mention of it anywhere else.
I don't wish to be argumentative, but refering to a 'Star Trek Curse' not really in the spirit of Star Trek itself. It is unscientific to believe in a curse - especially when 25 years after the movie was made the majority of cast (and probably crew) are alive and still working.
Well, I wasn't being really serious about there truly being a curse, I don't truly believe in curses, it was just something I noticed that I thought was interesting, although some would argue that the Star Trek curse is that all the odd numbered movies sucked, although I like Generations.
LOL! Yes, Generations was good...and the new one (which was terrific) was Number 11 which blows the Odd Number Curse theory. Perhaps a curse could excuse why Enterprise the series was so sucky?
Unfortunately, that is true. Same situation with Tony Hamilton, whom you might remember from the short lived Mission Impossible revival from the late 80's. He passed on due to AIDS as well in the 90's.
I disagree about the biggest mistake was killing David. Because Kirk had to pay the price for his actions in the rescue of spock and that meant he had to lose his ship and his son
The biggest mistake of the ST was t o kill off David.
They could have built an entire series around that character. It could have been a more science focused series and Kirk could have shown up from time to time...
Merrit Butrick never made it in to the 1990s he died @1987. As far as AIDS was concerned, it was Jerry Fawell, most of the Reagan administration was terrified of him. Reagan let C Everett Koop be proactive until they could find a way to pull the carpet out from under Fawell without him bloting the Republican camp.
This is simply amazing for me - having been a "Trekkie" since my father took me to see the very first Star Trek motion picture - before today I had NEVER known that these scenes even existed. Kudos to darthatton for posting it - and if I may be so bold; how the hell did you find these scenes? As Spock would say: "Fascinating!" And I also want to say that ST 11 looks VERY promising - an audience that was expecting to see ST 2 was instead tested for ST 11 and reactions were awesome. Nimoy intro'd!
I've read both the Star Trek II and III novelization and the half Romulan sub plot, the Cadet Preston/Saavik relationship, and her later one with David Marcus are all there. Just find the novels, its all there.
If you see Saavik's reaction to Cadet Preston being held by Scotty in the trubolift, I think her reaction there proves she's half Romulan.
Its just like a left wing liberal to assume that all homophobes are GOP conservatives. Talk about judgemental stereotyping! There are idiots on both sides so don't be a hypocrit.
ok READ THE BOOK...she is half and, half. She was rescued by Spock, also the boy who Scotty carries to the bridge (latter asks Kirk to "give the word" then dies) is Scotty's nephew!, HE and Saavik were friends at academy, so much so that she sat with his body. All that got lost in the movie. haven't read the book since it came out, and I remember that
which the whole preston aka scott's nephew brings up one major inconsistacy , note how chekov knows who kahn is and what he wants .... but scotty doesn't ? he even asks kirk who he is and why ?? but in space seed chekov had not yet came aboard the enterprise and scotty was there during the whole khan raid just wanted to point that out
i have read the book many times, and saavik actually mets preston aboard the enterprise not in the acedemy , first off she is a lot older then presten second off remeber her first thought when preston trys to prove himselve to admiral kirk , she thinks if you laugh at him i will rip out your spleen , that was her first time she met preston
they are, to a point. apparently long ago Romulans left Vulcan to pursue their emotions, and settled on Romulus. i dont know how long ago that was, and why they have adopted the larger brow-ridge and greenish skin, since itd take a long long time for them to adapt to a different environment. klingon syndrome? perhaps. haha. but on TNG spock goes to Romulus in secret to try and bring the Vulcans and Romulans together as one again.
Mmmm actually I think it would be more like half-Roman Catholic and half-Greek (Eastern) Orthodox. Or, you could even go with half-Catholic and half-Episcopalian or Lutheran.
Also I feel the need to state my opinion as to why Kirstie Alley did not reappear for Star Trek III. I don't believe it had anything to do with character depth, but David's horrible doo. Seriously, blonde and fro just don't flow, yo! (Dang, I'm gunna get some thumbs down for that. I go too far!!)
It makes sense if you're only distinguishing for the sole purpose of talking about geographic heritage. When you're talking about predispositions to weakness as an inherited trait, then it becomes ridiculous.
Imagine if you were German and somebody said that because you were half Swiss, you weren't as mechanically intelligent.
Really, I guess it's not worth debating. It's a movie. And the scene wasn't even included in the movie.
Ich hab' meine Quellen gecheckt, aber der Name des Hausmeisters der Sternenflottenakademie zu der Zeit ist nicht rauszukriegen. ^^; (Auch nicht der Name des Darstellers. )
Very gruesome scenes of Kahn slicing throats and lots of blood and guts on the space station. Also an affair with Scotty's son and Lt. Savik, thats why she mourned, they were getting fresh with each other so to speak.
Eh? I've got the Director's Edition DVD and I've watched all the special features on it, and these two scenes aren't in it. My first introduction to the David Marcus/Lt Saavik subplot (as well as her being half Romulan) were from Vonda Mcintyre's ST3 novelization that I read as a kid back in '85. It wasn't until I heard the Nicholas Meyer's commentary on the ST2 DVD that I knew that they'd worked those elements into Wrath of Khan.
Too bad Meyer couldn't keep this footage in the final cut.
James Doohan came to El Camino College in Torrance, CA in 1982 to promote ST II, and he showed this exact reel plus a 3rd season blooper reel which I have never seen anywhere else.
I once saw a picture from ST2 depicting a small child looking at the Genesis Device as Its building Up For detonation. I dont remember what book it was, but it made sence that Kahn and his people would have had children in the fifteen years they were exiled. Its understandable why it wasnt in the film. Nobody wants to see kids being blown to atoms.
These scenes were actually added back in for one release of the film; they were included in its original ABC-TV telecast as a "complete director's edition" on the ABC Sunday Night Movie after its run on premium cable; the only time it was shown with ALL of the edited out scenes and original scenes shoots. (Few cable cable channels in those days and the USA network got its start with public domain movies such as "Reefer Madness" and "Cocaine Fields," off-network game shows and infomercials.)
The ABC telecast I have from around 1983-85 does not have these scenese. As far as I know, these were from a ShoWest trailer when the movie was still in production. From what I gather.
i watched 'em all a couple years ago, start to finish, in order, they're all a load of shite if you ask me. I used to be a fan when i was a little girl but now i realise it was only becuase of the living teddy bears, i wanted one.
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It was hinted at in the original screenplay that Spock really is half Romulan and half Human. In this version he underwent surgery as a child to obscure his physical traits from a Vulcan Death Squad and stowed away on said ship.
Also Captain Kirk was to have had a German accent and sometimes,when under duress,the script had him flashing back to a dark mysterious past where he almost dies when rescuing a young woman from the clutches of a mad sea captain. Very interesting stuff.
I remember someone telling me years ago that in a Star Trek novel it said Savvik is half Romulan and she was rescued by Spock when she was a child. Of course since it was a novel it's not part of official Star Trek canon but theres a load of stuff about it on Wikipedia.
They says Star Wars is better for putting time into their deleted scenes. No wonder their movies suck. They're spending all their time on unnecessary special effects!
William Shatner is still the only actor to make me cry just saying the word "no" (in the next one, when Sarek mind melds with him and he has to re-experience Spock's death).
Thank you so much for uploading this! These scenes are priceless! I'd like to be able to get the uncut edition: I was sure about the existence of them, but my trekker friends persuaded me that I was mixing up books and movies! But where did you find them?
Originally in Star Trek 6, the writers had Savvik to be the traitor, but the idea was shelved and Valeris did the deed. The Director's Edition doesn't have those scenes in it, they are still on the cutting room floor.
Great job! To get a chance to see any additional ST footage after all these years is a wonderful opportunity! Any chance of posting the cut scene where Sulu gets promoted to Captain?
It probably will be, the next time Paramount wants you to shell out another 20 bucks. They're notorious for doing things like this with Star Trek. But in their defense, maybe the footage doesn't exist at a high enough quality that it wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb.
i wish they could incorperate it back somehow!..it all makes more sense now for the movie in every way regarding those characters on screen in your presentation.
originally Valeris was supposed to be Savik... I guess the actor declined, or they couldn't decide on wheather Savik was pregnant by Spock or not (there is a cut-scene from Star Trek 4 in which Savik carries Spock's child). So the reason they cut out the romance with David was cause they where aiming at romance with Spock... also that makes Savik the only caracter to have been played by 3 actors... every time you see her... it's a new actor
Also, in The Undiscovered Country, Saavik was originally supposed to be a traitor, but they couldn't get Kirstie Alley back, and Saavik had too much baggage for Kim Cattrail.
Also, the producers were worried that since Saavik was already an established and popular characters, her fans would react with fury and boycott the movie if she turned traitor. Thats why they reinvented the character as Valeris. I think its a shame they didn't keep her as Saavik (even if still played by Kim Cattrall), it would have really been a shock revelation then.
Exactly. That was why Kirstie turned it down. She knew fans would never accept something like that out of Saavik. They've tried countless times to get her back. They even wanted to get her in the TNG Episode "Cause and Effect" as Kelsey Grammer's first officer on the Bozeman. But leave it to Paramount to screw a good thing up.
Paramount wanted Kirstie Alley to reprise the role in ST3. But she had got positive reviews for her work in ST2 and a TV movie she had made, so her asking price was more than they were willing to pay.
observer9670 2 months ago
the fact she was half romulan was in the film's novelization, out at the time. So was a scene where she tampered with the burial tube before launch.
ocerg1111 4 months ago
Thanks!
lapere 5 months ago
In the novelization of Star Trek III they did boff.
LovingScrubbies 7 months ago
@LovingScrubbies
I read that book. She had a tattoo on her shoulder, and explained to him after uhhh, they boffed that she grew up on a slave colony. And, that Spock had rescued her when she was a child.
spacebumwa 6 months ago
@spacebumwa U may hav a better memory of the book than I. Did it explain how they came to boff given her logic? And I am wondering, did u picture the Kirstie Alley Saavik or the Robin Curtis Saavik?
LovingScrubbies 6 months ago
It's unfortunate to think that we have to wait for all of these people to die before there'll be permission to finally start putting some great deleted scenes on DVD. At the moment, it's all still in the hands of knobs who don't want us to see it or something.
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Introducing the actual stage 1 "genesis device" (see at leadman22 channel called "The Infinity Device").
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so does david always know Kirk is his father? because I've watched the movie three times in the past week and I never notice when the revelation is made. someone help please?
yourworsthell 9 months ago
so does david always know Kirk is his father? because I've watched the movie three times in the past week and I never notice when the revelation is made. someone help please?
yourworsthell 9 months ago
@yourworsthell Yes, he knew Kirk was his father. He even calls him an "overgrown boy scout" to his mother.
spacebumwa 6 months ago
Leonard Nimoy should've used his clout and got Paramount to pay Kirstie Alley properly to be in Star Trek 3.
mrgarymakin 9 months ago
Despite the smooth editing, this left an incomplete feeling with me. I think you should have devoted more time to this project so that it didn't look like we went halfway across the galaxy because it was the only camera in the quadrant.
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polarfox1 1 year ago
OMG
WHERE did you find this!?
CollectionDX 1 year ago
@CollectionDX thats on the directors cut of ST 2
Doug19752533 1 year ago
@Doug19752533
I've got the 2-disc Collector's Edition, and this certainly wasn't on there!
CollectionDX 1 year ago
@cashbox5457 for the record I did not ask or they did not tell.
logibear64 1 year ago
The 11 dislikes for this vid post are klingon warriors hunting for Kirk
junk11111111 1 year ago 3
Thank god they cut that second scene out. would have been TERRIBLE timing for something like that
joeylodes 1 year ago
Does anyone have any of the other deleted scenes from Wrath of Khan like when Chekov and Terrell went down on CA 5, they found a young boy in the Botany Bay ship, and towards the end the boy was on the Reliant right before the Genesis device exploded. Also there are additional scenes of Kirk talking to Khan on Reliant. I had to read the script just to remember some of those old scenes that I haven't seen in years...
2188los 1 year ago
lol star-fleet mop attendant
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
Kristie Alley was hot then...
drwatsup 1 year ago 2
Lol how the kobiahi maru was a forshadowing
loverofjesusMKII 1 year ago
Those scenes sucked. And all the extra scenes in the directors cut threw off the balance of the movie too. Theatrical version is the best.
thanks51 1 year ago
I never knew Saavik was half Romulan - that explains why she seemed so emotional throughout the movie, compared to Humans at least. You live and learn.
skegpit 1 year ago
fasinating.....
saphy72195 1 year ago
@saphy72195 I use fascinating for unexpected turn of actions... I will just say... Interesting... another grammar mistake
StelarCF 1 year ago
I wishy they would have let us know in the movie about her heritage
warbird1786 1 year ago
lol this is in my vhs version as a normal scene
mastergamers23 1 year ago
Dating Vulcans is a totally different head....totally!
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KraziiBabe12 1 year ago
Why were these scenes cut?
bigglesdaf 1 year ago
Personally, I think the Romulan bit works in her favor, especially with Robin as the actress. Since Romulans do have emotions, and can express them, it explains why Kirstie cries at Spock's funeral, and makes it much easier to accept Robin's take on Saavik, as well.
Tarotlynx 1 year ago
@Tarotlynx Vulcans have emotions like any other humanoid, their control and lack of expression of them is acquired through training from a very young age due to cultural norms and pressures. The amount of control would certainly vary with the individual Vulcan. When something severe happens such as the death of someone close to them, most Vulcans if not all would probably have a hard time completely containing themselves in those cases. Tears would be expected even if she were fully Vulcan.
Monarchos 1 year ago
Where did you get this footage? I just got a DVD of the ABC version and it did not contain these scenes, much to my disapointment. Also, does this version happen to have the scene where Sulu talks about his promotion to Captain of the Exelsior? I read an article by George Takei about that scene. Also, it does sound like the music in those shots are from another movie and thus part of a temp track. So would this be a copy of the original workprint? Man, I wanna see more!
ironhandz1 1 year ago
@ironhandz1 I've read in various biographies and "making of
books that the "Captain Sulu" scene was purposely sabotaged by Shatner, flubbing his lines and taking up too much time so that it was never completely filmed. Apparently he had some issues with another "Captain" among the Enterprise Crew, and from what I've read seems plausible given his ego and dickish nature.
scarred2112 1 year ago
@ironhandz1 Apparently loads of deleted scenes exist for TWOK, including footage where Terrell and Chekov discover children of Khan's followers in the Botany Bay. There's a few stills on the the Trek sites. Unfortunately only a small percentage of them have surfaced even after all this time.
The deleted scenes uploaded here are from a promotional reel which was shown to the press in the run up to TWOK's release. I wish Meyer had gathered them all for the DVD. Perhaps Paramount has lost them...
JayArgonaut 1 year ago
what is that strange music in the back ground it doesnt sound like horner
TheDEATHSTARIII 1 year ago
Try being fifteen back in 1982, with no idea who she was, and the words INTRODUCING KIRSTIE ALLEY hitting the screen.
Every geek's wet dream.
RayGordon40wd 1 year ago
Pity those weren't in the movie, I think they would've been good. Oh, well. I still consider Saavik half Romulan, call me crazy if you want. Thanks for sharing!
anaeifly 1 year ago
@anaeifly I disagree. The pacing of the movie was perfect without these extra scenes. I also think the pacing was ruined by the Director's Edition.
Xondar11223344 1 year ago
@Xondar11223344 How is the pacing perfect? Why was Scottie so upset over that one kid's death? Why wasn't he so upset over the others?
fjccommish 1 year ago
@fjccommish That has nothing to do with the pacing of the movie.
Xondar11223344 1 year ago
@Xondar11223344 It was removed because of pacing.
fjccommish 1 year ago
@fjccommish That kid was supposedly his nephew.
all13Doctors 1 year ago
@all13Doctors Yes. Without the scene that shows the kid is his nephew, it doesn't make sense when Scotty is so upset over the one kid's death.
fjccommish 1 year ago
@fjccommish He knew him personally, I think he mentions that the (arrogant) kid is his nephew.
Bootstataboots 9 months ago
@Bootstataboots Yes, but wasn't that scene deleted in the theatrical release?
fjccommish 9 months ago
@fjccommish True, now that you mention it I think I'm remembering it from watching the dvd's deleted scenes.
Bootstataboots 9 months ago
I know he was in TNG episode. The one where the crew find a planet of people who are desperate for a particulair medication,but they are in fact addicted to a narcotic.
redsoxclaret 1 year ago
Merritt R. Butrick Died 17 March 1989 of AIDS. Also suffering from brain cancer. No reliable source on how he got HIV. I source I have read but can't verify says that he got HIV from a blood transfusion in 1979 or 1980 after a car accident. At that time blood wasn't screened for HIV.
blindandwatching 1 year ago
Well, perhaps it's time for me to give it another go. Stargate Universe has been a real disappointment and I am hankering for some good sci-fi.
SagansMoon 2 years ago
@SagansMoon I agree with trekkerhappy on Enterprise. It really does get so much better after the first season, so do yourself a favor and revisit it as I'm sure you will thoroughly enjoy it. As far as Stargate Universe (and all of the Stargate series for that matter) goes, I could just never get into that show and don't understood what the big deal was/is. Live Long and Prosper!
MF728 2 years ago
You may well be right. I didn't get that far into the show. After one season of watching Archer threatening women and blustering, I abandoned it. (Although I did like the rest of the cast). Maybe one day I'll go back. But not yet...
SagansMoon 2 years ago
Robin Curtis was much more realistic in her portrayal of a Vulcan/ Romulan mix. Kirstie did an OK job, but was emotionally "wishy-washy" in an almost weak way. If you read the novels & view classic Trek and Next Generation shows, Romulans are emotional, but stoic and passionate. They try to portray strength. Robin did a pretty good job of that. Her stoicism fit in with typical Romulans and Vulcans. Too many people are judging by the "cuteness factor" instead of quality. Robin's acting = an A+
ACLTony 2 years ago 17
@ACLTony hell, i think robin curtis was more attractive than kirstie alley.. i dont know, but for some reason you could see "fat actress" in the making even back then, i guess im saying im not surprized. and acting alone? she was very 'emotional', perhaps the romulan comment was shot at last moment to counter her "acting", similiar to the decision to throw in spocks line "remember" ad hoc,
carpetmonk 1 year ago
@ACLTony I was sold on Kirstie Alley's cuteness factor.
samh09 1 year ago
@ACLTony in the novel versions of trek 2 and 3, Saavik is highly emotional and is at constant war with herself to control her emotions. she was always an outcast among the Vulcans who found her as an orphan infant and raised her. when Preston died she went into a dark conference room and tore it apart with grief (in the book she is his tutor and did have a fondness for him) in 3, she and David have a relationship and killed one of the klingons bare handed before she was stunned
Doug19752533 1 year ago
@ACLTony Agreed.
Romulans = Nazis
Borg = Nazis. lol.
mrgellisjosh 8 months ago
@mrgellisjosh I would say Borg = Communists
Xerxes2005 8 months ago
@Xerxes2005= Some people say, they are more like Nazis.
vigo894 5 months ago
I think both actresses did a terrific job with the clues they were given about the character- Kirstie Alley ran with the "none of the facial immobility of a Vulcan" script note and made that work, while Robin Curtis' more stoic version fitted well into the context of the third movie- I don't find it unlikely that also Saavik matured/became more stoic when Spock died, although I think Curtis sounded slightly TOO unemotional at the part when Saavik told Kirk that David was dead.
Itachietter 5 months ago
@ACLTony well, maybe people doesn't know that she was half Romulan.
Koraju 4 months ago
More likely a future romance between Kirk's son and Sulu than Saavik.
logibear64 2 years ago 30
lol
duskwalker2 2 years ago
@logibear64
You got that right!
annathefootdoc 1 year ago
was this from the work print??
TURBODORK2 2 years ago
I read somewhere from an interview from Kirstie Alley, that at the time there was not going to be her character in the Search for Spock, and by the time that the movie was being produced her schedule on other TV shows was in conflict with movie schedules and due to contract issues she had to decline the part.
Kriptap 2 years ago
That is true...AND...because of her success on Cheers, she was asking for way more money than Paramount was prepared to pay her. Star Trek 2 was her very first role...TV or film or otherwise. Robin Curtis agreed to do the part for the amount Paramount was originally going to pay Kirstie.
BlueEyedCubTN 2 years ago
Why didn't they keep Kirstie Alley instead of Robin Curtis for the next two films?! Thanks for uploading this! I wish they left in the second scene. I think David died too soon in III and wasn't fully developed.
ElectronicaFan83 2 years ago
I believe Kirstie Alley went to work on Cheers after Star Trek II and was not available for Star Trek III and IV.
sarnow76 2 years ago
The best place to find out hard to find info is wikepedia which says she had high salary demands. I remember reading an interview where she said Shatner made advances on her. True or not if he heard that he prob wouldnt want her back either.
bobisdark 2 years ago
I thought they were both off-kilter in the role. Kirstie Alley was way too emotional and expressive and Curtis was too robotic, even for a Vulcan.
Diceydee 2 years ago
This is the first time I have seen these scenes since April of 1982. I was at a sci-fi/fantasy/comic book convention at a community college in Overland Park, KS called "Fool's Con" and someone had brought in a bootleg video of a preview for ST2. It was probably meant for movie theater owners so they would have an idea of what the movie would be like. Several parts of that preview never made it to the final version of the film, including these two scenes.
cdfreester 2 years ago
In Star Trek 4, Kirstie Alley plays the part of the humpback whale
PHANTOMZ0NE 2 years ago 2
LMFAO.
yesvulcan 2 years ago
ROFL! I met one of my girlfriends the year this movie came out. When she looked me up a few years ago, she was as big as Kirstie Alley. This woman was psycho and was mad I got married after dumped me! I refer to her now as The Wrath of Blonde!
vccstudents 2 years ago
So many comments. I'm sorry if someone already said this. Why would Kirk introduce the two of them? They just spent hours in the Genesis cave together. Wouldn't you think they'd at least know each others' names?
evabin 2 years ago
I love watching deleted scenes, who else?
It has something fascinated about it, I think.
VitoPossilipo 2 years ago
He died of AIDS...jeez that sucks..I didnt know. I always wondered what happened to him, he was a pretty decent actor. Very sad. ;-(
Credithelper75 2 years ago
Although the actor died, still I think the Kirk son character shouldn't have been killed off.
Another actor could have played him and it might have made a very interesting series. Could have been an interesting conflict between his mother's scientif/explorer side vs the Quasi-military side of his starfleet father.
What could have been...
leeroynaggins 2 years ago
Well the character was killed off with the actor in the role. "David" died before the actor. It was too late.
SG1Mitchell 2 years ago
You Know something if you look it up all the major actors in wrath of Khan who were not star trek regulars died young (as in 65 or younger) except Kirstie Ally (who has yet to be 65) and Ricardo Montalban who died at 88. I refer to this as the wrath of Khan curse and have found no mention of it anywhere else.
BenjaminWirtz 2 years ago
I don't wish to be argumentative, but refering to a 'Star Trek Curse' not really in the spirit of Star Trek itself. It is unscientific to believe in a curse - especially when 25 years after the movie was made the majority of cast (and probably crew) are alive and still working.
SagansMoon 2 years ago
Well, I wasn't being really serious about there truly being a curse, I don't truly believe in curses, it was just something I noticed that I thought was interesting, although some would argue that the Star Trek curse is that all the odd numbered movies sucked, although I like Generations.
BenjaminWirtz 2 years ago
LOL! Yes, Generations was good...and the new one (which was terrific) was Number 11 which blows the Odd Number Curse theory. Perhaps a curse could excuse why Enterprise the series was so sucky?
SagansMoon 2 years ago
Not disagreeing with you, but the actors that played the following roles in Wrath of Khan are now dead:
Scotty
Bones
Carol Marcus
David Marcus
Terrell
Khan (this year)
diggingforgold 2 years ago
Oh indeed, but all but 2 were well over 70+ so that's hardly 'a curse', if you see what I mean.
SagansMoon 2 years ago
Wow. Would have never thought that "David" is dead.
TaladagaCockknocker 2 years ago
The guy who played David Marcus is dead? When did he die and how if I may ask. Thanks
bdweightexer 2 years ago
he died of AIDS at age 29 on March 17, 1989
sondano 2 years ago
It is very sad what happened to David in real life. He was so gorgeous!
stads24 2 years ago
He died shortly after filming the TNG episode in season 1 he was in.
jeasmovo 2 years ago
Unfortunately, that is true. Same situation with Tony Hamilton, whom you might remember from the short lived Mission Impossible revival from the late 80's. He passed on due to AIDS as well in the 90's.
alucard624 2 years ago
I have the Spock, Kirk clip but where did you get the Kirk introducing Savick to David clip?
mego73 2 years ago
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he died of aids
joeylodes 2 years ago 4
I disagree about the biggest mistake was killing David. Because Kirk had to pay the price for his actions in the rescue of spock and that meant he had to lose his ship and his son
Shazam961 2 years ago
oooh, ouch!
leeroynaggins 2 years ago
The biggest mistake of the ST was t o kill off David.
They could have built an entire series around that character. It could have been a more science focused series and Kirk could have shown up from time to time...
Too bad...
leeroynaggins 2 years ago 2
Good point. The 2009 movie however successfully resurrects all the characters for a new generation...
TheBigCollapse 2 years ago
Merrit Butrick never made it in to the 1990s he died @1987. As far as AIDS was concerned, it was Jerry Fawell, most of the Reagan administration was terrified of him. Reagan let C Everett Koop be proactive until they could find a way to pull the carpet out from under Fawell without him bloting the Republican camp.
blindandwatching 2 years ago
The poor guy did actually die of AIDS in real life. Which is sad because I used to have the biggest crush on him!
stads24 2 years ago
This is simply amazing for me - having been a "Trekkie" since my father took me to see the very first Star Trek motion picture - before today I had NEVER known that these scenes even existed. Kudos to darthatton for posting it - and if I may be so bold; how the hell did you find these scenes? As Spock would say: "Fascinating!" And I also want to say that ST 11 looks VERY promising - an audience that was expecting to see ST 2 was instead tested for ST 11 and reactions were awesome. Nimoy intro'd!
superfriends1200 2 years ago
I've read both the Star Trek II and III novelization and the half Romulan sub plot, the Cadet Preston/Saavik relationship, and her later one with David Marcus are all there. Just find the novels, its all there.
If you see Saavik's reaction to Cadet Preston being held by Scotty in the trubolift, I think her reaction there proves she's half Romulan.
SolidJediKnight 2 years ago
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I wonder if Sulu wanted to be gand raped by Kirk
gopconservative78 2 years ago
Its just like a GOP conservative to be a homophobic, now go back to that century you belong to
thallus1978 2 years ago
Its just like a left wing liberal to assume that all homophobes are GOP conservatives. Talk about judgemental stereotyping! There are idiots on both sides so don't be a hypocrit.
flans44 2 years ago
Did you notice the homophobe's username?
ILoooooveCamels 2 years ago
ok READ THE BOOK...she is half and, half. She was rescued by Spock, also the boy who Scotty carries to the bridge (latter asks Kirk to "give the word" then dies) is Scotty's nephew!, HE and Saavik were friends at academy, so much so that she sat with his body. All that got lost in the movie. haven't read the book since it came out, and I remember that
timkunk 2 years ago
the scenes with scotty's nephew are on the directors edition DVD.
burr1aj 2 years ago
which the whole preston aka scott's nephew brings up one major inconsistacy , note how chekov knows who kahn is and what he wants .... but scotty doesn't ? he even asks kirk who he is and why ?? but in space seed chekov had not yet came aboard the enterprise and scotty was there during the whole khan raid just wanted to point that out
kirok2011 2 years ago 2
i have read the book many times, and saavik actually mets preston aboard the enterprise not in the acedemy , first off she is a lot older then presten second off remeber her first thought when preston trys to prove himselve to admiral kirk , she thinks if you laugh at him i will rip out your spleen , that was her first time she met preston
kirok2011 2 years ago
DeForest Kelley, what a guy. Gotta love the Doc, he just warms up the scene. :)
iahmel 3 years ago 3
I thought Romulans and Vulcans were the same species. Distinction being that Vulcans shed their emotions and Romulans embraced theirs.
If so, calling someone half-Romulan and half-Vulcan is like calling somebody half-Catholic and half-Muslim.
SpnKick540 3 years ago
they are, to a point. apparently long ago Romulans left Vulcan to pursue their emotions, and settled on Romulus. i dont know how long ago that was, and why they have adopted the larger brow-ridge and greenish skin, since itd take a long long time for them to adapt to a different environment. klingon syndrome? perhaps. haha. but on TNG spock goes to Romulus in secret to try and bring the Vulcans and Romulans together as one again.
zombieflayer666 3 years ago
Mmmm actually I think it would be more like half-Roman Catholic and half-Greek (Eastern) Orthodox. Or, you could even go with half-Catholic and half-Episcopalian or Lutheran.
Also I feel the need to state my opinion as to why Kirstie Alley did not reappear for Star Trek III. I don't believe it had anything to do with character depth, but David's horrible doo. Seriously, blonde and fro just don't flow, yo! (Dang, I'm gunna get some thumbs down for that. I go too far!!)
Siskoray 2 years ago
because she got fat. ever seen a fat vulcan? plus i preferred the other lady.
zombieflayer666 2 years ago
How about half Irish and half German? Makes sense.
Chipmonk1963 3 years ago
It makes sense if you're only distinguishing for the sole purpose of talking about geographic heritage. When you're talking about predispositions to weakness as an inherited trait, then it becomes ridiculous.
Imagine if you were German and somebody said that because you were half Swiss, you weren't as mechanically intelligent.
Really, I guess it's not worth debating. It's a movie. And the scene wasn't even included in the movie.
SpnKick540 3 years ago
It may be a reference to behavioural genetics. Or to a cultural emphasis on mental discipline.
Perculsor 2 years ago
00:34 note the poor minimum-wage fellow cleaning the Enterprise's floor in the background
zensorship 3 years ago
That's the academy's floor, actually, is it not? That, and there are no wages in Starfleet. : D
GeraldRobotnik 3 years ago
you're a true Trekkie, Gerald! I surrender
zensorship 3 years ago
Öh, brauchste wirklich nich'. xD; Ich hab' dich einfach nur leicht korrigiert, das is alles. xD;
GeraldRobotnik 3 years ago
dann kann ich ja auch auf Deutsch antworten. wer wischt denn da den Fussboden?
zensorship 3 years ago
Ich hab' meine Quellen gecheckt, aber der Name des Hausmeisters der Sternenflottenakademie zu der Zeit ist nicht rauszukriegen. ^^; (Auch nicht der Name des Darstellers. )
GeraldRobotnik 3 years ago
ich errate, dass sie den phaser Mop nicht erfunden haben?
zombieflayer666 3 years ago
I think he said "She's learning by doing..."
notepadzone 3 years ago
shame the deleted shots are so worn.
LTstudios 3 years ago
Kirstie was hot!
03CobraR 3 years ago 7
hell yeah....
jacko39 3 years ago
this wasnt deleted its on the dvd.
What was deleted was from the book.
Very gruesome scenes of Kahn slicing throats and lots of blood and guts on the space station. Also an affair with Scotty's son and Lt. Savik, thats why she mourned, they were getting fresh with each other so to speak.
partymanDaniel 3 years ago
Eh? I've got the Director's Edition DVD and I've watched all the special features on it, and these two scenes aren't in it. My first introduction to the David Marcus/Lt Saavik subplot (as well as her being half Romulan) were from Vonda Mcintyre's ST3 novelization that I read as a kid back in '85. It wasn't until I heard the Nicholas Meyer's commentary on the ST2 DVD that I knew that they'd worked those elements into Wrath of Khan.
Too bad Meyer couldn't keep this footage in the final cut.
SpectorGeneral 3 years ago
James Doohan came to El Camino College in Torrance, CA in 1982 to promote ST II, and he showed this exact reel plus a 3rd season blooper reel which I have never seen anywhere else.
PShields79 3 years ago 2
I once saw a picture from ST2 depicting a small child looking at the Genesis Device as Its building Up For detonation. I dont remember what book it was, but it made sence that Kahn and his people would have had children in the fifteen years they were exiled. Its understandable why it wasnt in the film. Nobody wants to see kids being blown to atoms.
GESSO217 3 years ago 4
These scenes were actually added back in for one release of the film; they were included in its original ABC-TV telecast as a "complete director's edition" on the ABC Sunday Night Movie after its run on premium cable; the only time it was shown with ALL of the edited out scenes and original scenes shoots. (Few cable cable channels in those days and the USA network got its start with public domain movies such as "Reefer Madness" and "Cocaine Fields," off-network game shows and infomercials.)
Noveltooner 3 years ago 4
The ABC telecast I have from around 1983-85 does not have these scenese. As far as I know, these were from a ShoWest trailer when the movie was still in production. From what I gather.
fgeorge76 3 years ago
What did Kirk say after he introduced David to Saavik?
Tanru2000 3 years ago 2
I think he said "She's learning by doing", a callback to a comment made earlier in the movie.
MackSanders 3 years ago 2
star wars=rubbish star trek=cool
mim929 3 years ago 3
can't both be great?
wildsmiley 3 years ago 5
amen to that! Star Wars was ruined when Lucas redid it with Duff CGI 1997?
kiekelly 3 years ago 2
i watched 'em all a couple years ago, start to finish, in order, they're all a load of shite if you ask me. I used to be a fan when i was a little girl but now i realise it was only becuase of the living teddy bears, i wanted one.
kendrawhisp 3 years ago
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It was hinted at in the original screenplay that Spock really is half Romulan and half Human. In this version he underwent surgery as a child to obscure his physical traits from a Vulcan Death Squad and stowed away on said ship.
Also Captain Kirk was to have had a German accent and sometimes,when under duress,the script had him flashing back to a dark mysterious past where he almost dies when rescuing a young woman from the clutches of a mad sea captain. Very interesting stuff.
startripping 3 years ago
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Saavik lost her mind and got REALLY huge (despite Jennie Craig), and David died of AIDS.
dumbbo1 3 years ago
I remember someone telling me years ago that in a Star Trek novel it said Savvik is half Romulan and she was rescued by Spock when she was a child. Of course since it was a novel it's not part of official Star Trek canon but theres a load of stuff about it on Wikipedia.
VideoGameSte 3 years ago 4
Funny, I've long heard the "Saavik is half-Romulan" stuff, but never got it straight from the horse's mouth. Thanks for the post!
mudbloodryan 3 years ago 2
They says Star Wars is better for putting time into their deleted scenes. No wonder their movies suck. They're spending all their time on unnecessary special effects!
terminattheconqueror 3 years ago
These scenes are great! Thank you for uploading!
Aww... sad Kirk. :(
William Shatner is still the only actor to make me cry just saying the word "no" (in the next one, when Sarek mind melds with him and he has to re-experience Spock's death).
STSGirl 3 years ago 2
Thank you so much for uploading this! These scenes are priceless! I'd like to be able to get the uncut edition: I was sure about the existence of them, but my trekker friends persuaded me that I was mixing up books and movies! But where did you find them?
annafrancesca1 3 years ago
Originally in Star Trek 6, the writers had Savvik to be the traitor, but the idea was shelved and Valeris did the deed. The Director's Edition doesn't have those scenes in it, they are still on the cutting room floor.
Lupusbeast 3 years ago 2
I thought that died in the script writing.
Gammaclipper 3 years ago
Saavik had become well liked by fans, plus they didn't want to cast a third actress to play the part, so in came Valeris.
GarthanSaal444 3 years ago
This info about Saavik being half-Romulan is just now coming out?
Llaaseil 3 years ago
Dude! Where've YOU been? That's OLD news!
takomaguy 3 years ago
Wow, where do you people dig out that stuff?
drrude 3 years ago
Saavik would of introduced David to Scientology and they could go off together and hunt down Xenu.
takerdust 4 years ago 6
Ohhh...these weren't in the ABC version? I had no idea...
So there weren't any scenes left out of the DVD that *were* in the ABC version...
TServo2049 4 years ago
WOW!!! How cool!
FilmsRreel 4 years ago
arnt savik and david together in 3 , or is it not the same character but diff actress ???
share81 4 years ago
Great job! To get a chance to see any additional ST footage after all these years is a wonderful opportunity! Any chance of posting the cut scene where Sulu gets promoted to Captain?
albion432 4 years ago 2
I would have liked to have seen these restored to the director's cut. Oh well.
KingCharltonHeston 4 years ago
I wonder why this was not on the "Director's Cut"?
mdk317 4 years ago 2
It probably will be, the next time Paramount wants you to shell out another 20 bucks. They're notorious for doing things like this with Star Trek. But in their defense, maybe the footage doesn't exist at a high enough quality that it wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb.
cubdukat 4 years ago
Director's Cut is a version of a movie that represents the director's approved edit/version of the movie.
So if I'm the director and I have them shoot some scene that I decide later shouldn't be in the movie, it stays out of all versions.
slycordinator 4 years ago
2 words: Bonus Material... :-P
Gasoline85 4 years ago
Very interesting. thanks for posting.
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doronDeutsch 4 years ago
i wish they could incorperate it back somehow!..it all makes more sense now for the movie in every way regarding those characters on screen in your presentation.
cathytreks 4 years ago 2
I agree 100%.
MScott2273 4 years ago
real fans be aware, of gods&men
kevinthe1st 4 years ago
originally Valeris was supposed to be Savik... I guess the actor declined, or they couldn't decide on wheather Savik was pregnant by Spock or not (there is a cut-scene from Star Trek 4 in which Savik carries Spock's child). So the reason they cut out the romance with David was cause they where aiming at romance with Spock... also that makes Savik the only caracter to have been played by 3 actors... every time you see her... it's a new actor
Supenmanu 4 years ago
Also, in The Undiscovered Country, Saavik was originally supposed to be a traitor, but they couldn't get Kirstie Alley back, and Saavik had too much baggage for Kim Cattrail.
nicholaswilson 4 years ago 2
Also, the producers were worried that since Saavik was already an established and popular characters, her fans would react with fury and boycott the movie if she turned traitor. Thats why they reinvented the character as Valeris. I think its a shame they didn't keep her as Saavik (even if still played by Kim Cattrall), it would have really been a shock revelation then.
Ashworth6 4 years ago 3
But it explains why Saavik seems to show emotion in several scenes...
TServo2049 4 years ago 2
Exactly. That was why Kirstie turned it down. She knew fans would never accept something like that out of Saavik. They've tried countless times to get her back. They even wanted to get her in the TNG Episode "Cause and Effect" as Kelsey Grammer's first officer on the Bozeman. But leave it to Paramount to screw a good thing up.
cubdukat 3 years ago