@chatrkat Oh yeah that one! That sounds like a really fun thing to try to do!
Oh yeah, one other comment on this video. I remember in your short one you had said this old backup pump was in for about 10 years. For a plastic-cased pump, that's actually pretty impressive time length! lol
@Sharkie626 I was surprised the plastic failed like that. junk! ...that big pump should blast a lot of water. I don't look forward the lifting that thing up the basement stairs tho!
Why not do what I did with my sump - simply put a big plug in the intake hole to keep the water from coming into the sump at all. I got tired of paying for the electricity to pump water outside that came from outside. There was also the cost of replacing sump pumps every couple of years. I waited until the weather was dry and plugged that darned hole with concrete.
@PermanentRagOn that would not be a good idea here, I'd probably end up with a broken basement floor. ...or my house would lift up! thanks for watching.
I use a pressure switch not a float switch.And my pump and motor is in the water. A steel plate is flush with the cellar floor and all you see is a wire going through a slot in the plate. The steel plate cost me a bottle of yukon jack to have it cut out..
You can even stand on top of my equipment and until it starts a stranger would not know it was there.
@norb1937 agree, submersible pumps are neater looking. thanks for watching. it wouldn't have been such a long video if I knew how to edit back then. : )
@norb1937 my top cover is the typical light gauge tin. I'd like a piece of steel plate too but I'm afraid there isn't enough Yukon Jack in a case to get somebody to make it for me with all the openings I need.
looks like a good setup you have there. how do these industrial pedestal sump pumps compare to the standard pedestal sump pumps like Flotec, or Shur-Dri? they look so cheaply built compared to the industrial type like your Teel.
i thought about asking the company that builds them but thought i would ask you since you have used them. i know one thing, i'm tired of finding everything, "Made In China." Would you recommend an industrial pump? Or a standard pedestal sump pump cheaply built?
there are a few decent consumer submersible pumps but I wanted a pedestal type in bronze / stainless so that's why the industrial grade was selected. the defective submersible in the pit was a Shur-Dri. the plastic literally split open for no reason, allowing the motor to fill with water. personally, I would avoid any low priced consumer pumps, even the pedestal type. BTW those cheaper pedestal pumps have intermittent duty motors. you risk them overheating if you pump a lot of water.
also, you can occasionally find similar high grade Teel pedestal pumps new on ebay for 150.00 and up. this exact pump is still available at Grainger. ...be sure to see the part 2 video I have up, and it's not as long!
thanks! i looked them up at Grainger, sells for a little over $600. quite expensive, but i'm like you, i think the stainless steel/bronze is the best route to go with. i could probably get by with a 1/3 horsepower, too.
i like pedestal pumps also, as i am not really keen on having an electric motor underwater, even if the submersible ones are completely sealed, there's always a chance of one leaking and getting shocked.
@chatrkat I looked through your videos and you certainly left nothing to chance. Backup generators, separate breakers for the pumps, and that Teel looks like a beast. If you don't mind, how much is that worth?
You take in so much water, I suppose it's a cheap alternative to installing a french drain.
I don't take in anywhere near as much water. My old sump used to fail once every 5-7 years during heavy rain. Now I've got the two sumps on a Y connection with two check valves just like you. If one fails, the other will kick on. I plan on installing a water alarm so I know if the backup is running.
I have no problem with Zoeller, they have always built good quality pumps. However, I wanted all parts that can break above the water. I also have two high water alarms, soon to be installed in both sumps. I'm also considering an outside sounder for this system. ...thanks for reminding me!
I just took a look. A real beauty! Though, in full disclosure, the condition is consistent with the low mileage, at least on the interior.
I'll bet a buffalo nickel you replace the anode rod in your boiler every few years, too. I did that right after the backup sump pump project last week.
It's nice to know someone else out there takes care of his equipment. I prefer to waste my money on impulse purchases, not on fixing things that could have been maintained.
thank you very much. it has a little over 50k on it to date. sadly the sun has hurt the finish the last couple years out of the garage. LOL ... no boiler, but my 25 year old Heil furnace runs like the day I bought it. ...I refused the "contractor supplied" furnace when my home was built. thanks for viewing my contributions to the YT world.
WoW, Great video...and with the amount of ground water u have it would be a very bad thing if the pump failed . u would need a temp pump to replace the main one.
yes, and I do have an identical brand new pedestal pump still in the box. check out Sump Pump - the movie part 2 recorded a couple months later. ...it's not as long either! thanks for commenting.
That's a nice pump, looks like quality. I like the fact they used an external TEFC motor as opposed to a fully submerged motor like they do with most pumps now.
it's a commercial pump and is rated continuous duty, unlike many of the consumer pedestal pumps. the ball bearing motor runs a smooth as the day it was new over 20 years ago. see the final video showing the new equipment in operation. thanks for watching!
hard to say without seeing. could be simple as mud or sand in the bottom of the pit, broken / jammed check valve, plugged up discharge pipe. if you're not real handy then it's a job for a qualified plumber.
Yes, to speed things up a bit. I did not remember so I had to watch the whole damn video again! Geeze it's too long. Rest assured I have since learned to edit! Cheers!
I bought my home a year ago and replaced a brand new sump pump I installed before I moved in here. I live on a high water table but I dont think the pump is working correctly rightnow. Its runs constantly and never emptys the crock
A couple things come to mind, be sure the intake isn't blocked with debris or mud or sand. Some pumps require an 1/8" hole drilled in the pipe, just above where the discharge pipe threads in the pump to prevent an air lock. It's also possible the pump doesn't have enough lift to pump efficiantly. The higher the discharge pipe, the slower it will pump. Hope this helps.
I found if my pit drains to fast the pump will short cycle. the way it works now the ground water seeps in as it's pumping. the pump runs longer but cycles less. ...better for the switch and pump motor. notice how fast the submersible backup pumps compared to the main. thanks for viewing and commenting.
you're lucky, these can be a problem and when they fail the result is a flooded basement. knowing this, I overengineered mine to reduce the risk. Greetings back to you in The Netherlands!
I never understood where the water came from ? what if the sump wasn't formed at all ? where does the storm water collect to be channeled to these pipes?I live in a house now where the foundation is 4' below grade no SP needed.
it all depends on how high the ground water and storm sewers are in the area. typically there are 4" perforated pipes that surround the perimeter of the house and connect to the sump pit. in my exact circumstance there is a field directly behind my property that's easily 12' higher than my basement floor, if no pit was in place the high water could lift or damage the foundation. there is also a seperate pump for the waste water.
that must be an industrial sump pump the motor is huge how many HP is this pump? and a video of when this thing is getting a real workout from tons of rain would be great
yeah, hopefully I can be around the house to record when the water flow is heavy following a hard rain. the other problem is all that discharge pipe going up.
Seems kinda slow to me.
NOLIMIT69NOLIMIT2000 10 months ago
@NOLIMIT69NOLIMIT2000 yes agree, however it does aways keep up even when heavy rains occur.
chatrkat 10 months ago
@chatrkat That's a good thing. I do like the setup.
NOLIMIT69NOLIMIT2000 10 months ago
@NOLIMIT69NOLIMIT2000 thank you!
chatrkat 10 months ago
Been a while! thought I would visit this again!
Sharkie626 1 year ago
@Sharkie626 thanks for stopping back! I still need to to a demo of that 2" pump. maybe when the weather is warm I'll drag it outside and make a test.
chatrkat 1 year ago
@chatrkat I can't remember, what pump was that for again? heh
Sharkie626 1 year ago
@Sharkie626 see: SWABY WASTE EJECTOR PUMP I want to drop that spare pump in a tall trash can full of water to see what the discharge looks like.
chatrkat 1 year ago
@chatrkat Oh yeah that one! That sounds like a really fun thing to try to do!
Oh yeah, one other comment on this video. I remember in your short one you had said this old backup pump was in for about 10 years. For a plastic-cased pump, that's actually pretty impressive time length! lol
Sharkie626 1 year ago
@Sharkie626 I was surprised the plastic failed like that. junk! ...that big pump should blast a lot of water. I don't look forward the lifting that thing up the basement stairs tho!
chatrkat 1 year ago
@chatrkat I'm sure, even before you mentioned how heavy it was, just by the look of it I could tell that thing was on the heavy side.
Sharkie626 1 year ago
Why not do what I did with my sump - simply put a big plug in the intake hole to keep the water from coming into the sump at all. I got tired of paying for the electricity to pump water outside that came from outside. There was also the cost of replacing sump pumps every couple of years. I waited until the weather was dry and plugged that darned hole with concrete.
PermanentRagOn 1 year ago
@PermanentRagOn that would not be a good idea here, I'd probably end up with a broken basement floor. ...or my house would lift up! thanks for watching.
chatrkat 1 year ago
Pretty neat. Where does the water drain out? Into city sewers?
Peter421 1 year ago
@Peter421 yes, the storm water sewers. that's separate from the sanitary sewers in my area.
chatrkat 1 year ago
I use a pressure switch not a float switch.And my pump and motor is in the water. A steel plate is flush with the cellar floor and all you see is a wire going through a slot in the plate. The steel plate cost me a bottle of yukon jack to have it cut out..
You can even stand on top of my equipment and until it starts a stranger would not know it was there.
norb1937 1 year ago
@norb1937 agree, submersible pumps are neater looking. thanks for watching. it wouldn't have been such a long video if I knew how to edit back then. : )
chatrkat 1 year ago
@norb1937 my top cover is the typical light gauge tin. I'd like a piece of steel plate too but I'm afraid there isn't enough Yukon Jack in a case to get somebody to make it for me with all the openings I need.
chatrkat 1 year ago
looks like a good setup you have there. how do these industrial pedestal sump pumps compare to the standard pedestal sump pumps like Flotec, or Shur-Dri? they look so cheaply built compared to the industrial type like your Teel.
i thought about asking the company that builds them but thought i would ask you since you have used them. i know one thing, i'm tired of finding everything, "Made In China." Would you recommend an industrial pump? Or a standard pedestal sump pump cheaply built?
MrGameMatch 2 years ago
there are a few decent consumer submersible pumps but I wanted a pedestal type in bronze / stainless so that's why the industrial grade was selected. the defective submersible in the pit was a Shur-Dri. the plastic literally split open for no reason, allowing the motor to fill with water. personally, I would avoid any low priced consumer pumps, even the pedestal type. BTW those cheaper pedestal pumps have intermittent duty motors. you risk them overheating if you pump a lot of water.
chatrkat 2 years ago
also, you can occasionally find similar high grade Teel pedestal pumps new on ebay for 150.00 and up. this exact pump is still available at Grainger. ...be sure to see the part 2 video I have up, and it's not as long!
chatrkat 2 years ago
thanks! i looked them up at Grainger, sells for a little over $600. quite expensive, but i'm like you, i think the stainless steel/bronze is the best route to go with. i could probably get by with a 1/3 horsepower, too.
i like pedestal pumps also, as i am not really keen on having an electric motor underwater, even if the submersible ones are completely sealed, there's always a chance of one leaking and getting shocked.
thanks again!
MrGameMatch 2 years ago
check out ebay now . this is very similar to mine but in cast iron 170445267954, here's the imported economy line 150419431352
chatrkat 2 years ago
holy moly, that's a lot of water! I would consider installing a french drain.
I have two zoeller sump pumps installed, in case one malfunctions the other will buy me some time while I replace the switch, or repair/replace it.
joepaiva 2 years ago
I agree, must have two decent pumps to be safe. Watch the final installment in "the series" to see my back up system in operation.
chatrkat 2 years ago
@chatrkat I looked through your videos and you certainly left nothing to chance. Backup generators, separate breakers for the pumps, and that Teel looks like a beast. If you don't mind, how much is that worth?
joepaiva 2 years ago
the Teel pump is now Grainger part number 3XU85 . Back in 1985 I paid around 400.00 for it.
chatrkat 2 years ago
I just looked it up. $652.
I use a Zoeller M57 and a M72.
You take in so much water, I suppose it's a cheap alternative to installing a french drain.
I don't take in anywhere near as much water. My old sump used to fail once every 5-7 years during heavy rain. Now I've got the two sumps on a Y connection with two check valves just like you. If one fails, the other will kick on. I plan on installing a water alarm so I know if the backup is running.
joepaiva 2 years ago
I have no problem with Zoeller, they have always built good quality pumps. However, I wanted all parts that can break above the water. I also have two high water alarms, soon to be installed in both sumps. I'm also considering an outside sounder for this system. ...thanks for reminding me!
chatrkat 2 years ago
PS you seem like the kind of guy I'd like to buy a used car from!
joepaiva 2 years ago
Hey thanks! only problem is, I keep them. seen my 86 van? LOL cheers!
chatrkat 2 years ago
@chatrkat
I just took a look. A real beauty! Though, in full disclosure, the condition is consistent with the low mileage, at least on the interior.
I'll bet a buffalo nickel you replace the anode rod in your boiler every few years, too. I did that right after the backup sump pump project last week.
It's nice to know someone else out there takes care of his equipment. I prefer to waste my money on impulse purchases, not on fixing things that could have been maintained.
best,
joepaiva 2 years ago
thank you very much. it has a little over 50k on it to date. sadly the sun has hurt the finish the last couple years out of the garage. LOL ... no boiler, but my 25 year old Heil furnace runs like the day I bought it. ...I refused the "contractor supplied" furnace when my home was built. thanks for viewing my contributions to the YT world.
chatrkat 2 years ago
WoW, Great video...and with the amount of ground water u have it would be a very bad thing if the pump failed . u would need a temp pump to replace the main one.
diggerdave51 2 years ago
yes, and I do have an identical brand new pedestal pump still in the box. check out Sump Pump - the movie part 2 recorded a couple months later. ...it's not as long either! thanks for commenting.
chatrkat 2 years ago
i totally just watched this whole thing
SilentServiceCode 2 years ago
thanks! you have amazing patience!
chatrkat 2 years ago
I will be taking my own video tomorrow... have a submersible pump that needs a tim taylor-type upgrade.
SilentServiceCode 2 years ago
I'll be watching! Check out the Swaby ejector vid I made recently.
chatrkat 2 years ago
lol i saw u pul the switch up
but thats ok i wouldhave to
love ur pumps tho
animebsd 2 years ago
I didn't know how to edit videos back then! LOL Thanks for watching.
chatrkat 2 years ago
yea haha
yea i hate spamers alot!!!
they do need to get a life
animebsd 2 years ago
That's a nice pump, looks like quality. I like the fact they used an external TEFC motor as opposed to a fully submerged motor like they do with most pumps now.
TehMG 2 years ago
it's a commercial pump and is rated continuous duty, unlike many of the consumer pedestal pumps. the ball bearing motor runs a smooth as the day it was new over 20 years ago. see the final video showing the new equipment in operation. thanks for watching!
chatrkat 2 years ago
yep
animebsd 2 years ago
sorry about the approval delay on posted comments, thank the lowlife spammers for that.
chatrkat 2 years ago
hard to say without seeing. could be simple as mud or sand in the bottom of the pit, broken / jammed check valve, plugged up discharge pipe. if you're not real handy then it's a job for a qualified plumber.
chatrkat 2 years ago
our sump pump got blocked up... what do we do??
EASTYJAZ34 2 years ago
Hey man, I am not being offensive here or anything but, you pulled up the float switch didnt ya? I did see the shadow of your arm. :) :D
Sharkie626 2 years ago
Yes, to speed things up a bit. I did not remember so I had to watch the whole damn video again! Geeze it's too long. Rest assured I have since learned to edit! Cheers!
chatrkat 2 years ago
I bought my home a year ago and replaced a brand new sump pump I installed before I moved in here. I live on a high water table but I dont think the pump is working correctly rightnow. Its runs constantly and never emptys the crock
julielyn64 2 years ago
A couple things come to mind, be sure the intake isn't blocked with debris or mud or sand. Some pumps require an 1/8" hole drilled in the pipe, just above where the discharge pipe threads in the pump to prevent an air lock. It's also possible the pump doesn't have enough lift to pump efficiantly. The higher the discharge pipe, the slower it will pump. Hope this helps.
chatrkat 2 years ago
I have the same water issues in my house. I use a 1/2 hp submersible and it drains the sump hole much faster than the pump you're using there.
Audioquest56 3 years ago
I found if my pit drains to fast the pump will short cycle. the way it works now the ground water seeps in as it's pumping. the pump runs longer but cycles less. ...better for the switch and pump motor. notice how fast the submersible backup pumps compared to the main. thanks for viewing and commenting.
chatrkat 3 years ago
what happens when the power goes out?
Gromitdog1 3 years ago
no problem!!! there is a natural gas fueled automatic standby generator. it can be seen in my other videos. thanks for watching!
chatrkat 3 years ago
What exactly is the purpose of this pump? I never heard of a sumppump before >_>
Thedutchjelle 3 years ago
the water table is higher than my basement. the pump keeps the basement from filling with water. they are very common in some parts of the country.
chatrkat 3 years ago
Ah well.. here in The Netherlands we're all basicly all under the sealevel, but I don't recall anyone having pumps like this.
Thedutchjelle 3 years ago
you're lucky, these can be a problem and when they fail the result is a flooded basement. knowing this, I overengineered mine to reduce the risk. Greetings back to you in The Netherlands!
chatrkat 3 years ago
I never understood where the water came from ? what if the sump wasn't formed at all ? where does the storm water collect to be channeled to these pipes?I live in a house now where the foundation is 4' below grade no SP needed.
tjfreak 3 years ago
it all depends on how high the ground water and storm sewers are in the area. typically there are 4" perforated pipes that surround the perimeter of the house and connect to the sump pit. in my exact circumstance there is a field directly behind my property that's easily 12' higher than my basement floor, if no pit was in place the high water could lift or damage the foundation. there is also a seperate pump for the waste water.
chatrkat 3 years ago
1/3 HP. there are several videos on my channel, the later clip shows a fair amout of water from a heavy rain this last year.
chatrkat 3 years ago
that must be an industrial sump pump the motor is huge how many HP is this pump? and a video of when this thing is getting a real workout from tons of rain would be great
coondogtheman1234 3 years ago
kinda quiet to i like it quiet like that
Derykey 3 years ago
wow the air really slows the water flow/pumping!
CVRealMan 3 years ago
yeah, hopefully I can be around the house to record when the water flow is heavy following a hard rain. the other problem is all that discharge pipe going up.
chatrkat 3 years ago