Looking kind of foolish now with Eletrikride being completely vindicated of every bullshit setup you and the rest of the "Smack Pack" pulled to discredit him, don't you?
Yes, the answer you're looking for is yes, and foolish is a kind word.
Looking kind of foolish now with Eletrikride being completely vindicated of every bullshit setup you and the rest of the "Smack Pack" pulled to discredit him, don't you?
Yes, the answer you're looking for is yes, and foolish is a kind word.
@ArizonaHydroFuel - The FTC did not lose their case. A temporary restraining order was denied but the case continues. In all actuality unless Dennis Lee can pull a rabbit from his ass I can't see him winning this. Then again he could produce an actual working model but I think he would have better luck pulling a rabbit from his ass.
@ArizonaHydroFuel ; the FTC did not lose the case. In fact their cases is even strnger today now that more victims of the scam have joined the prosecution.
did Dennis Lee fondle you when you young ?? get an job.. instead of trying sooo hard to catching attention online ,, when you open your mouth its sounds like my azzz fart ..
Translation: you were unable to spot any error in my video, and that frustrated you to such an extent that the best you could do in reply was to try an insult. How very sad your worthless life must be.
do you have an job.. beside ridicule dannis lee everyday.. what did he do to you ... did he touch you .. im trying to find out.. i think there is conspiracy going on there.. now that you get me excited about this subject
i wonder why you so against these stuff.. did someone stick an hho balloon up your azz and blow it up when you was child ??? or you just one of those attention craving individual who never got bj before and drive all your excess energy here..
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so wat you saying is that its ok for you to talk sht about other people,, yet its not ok for others to return favorite.... hahhahahha dump fk incase you wonder this is America not Red Russia ,,, its equal opportunity here...
Translation: you were unable to spot any error in my video, and that frustrated you to such an extent that the best you could do in reply was to try an insult. How very sad your worthless life must be.
same goes for you if you never try any hho system on your car.. you shouldn't commend cos you are an moron ,, its like telling people suger is not sweet yet you never taste yourself .. i wonder who is spreading lies..
The case is still active, and law enforcement is still prosecution LOee, you stupid shit. In fact more victims have just submitted declarations for the prosecution. Lee will be sent back to prison where he belongs, and the FTC can move on to prosecuting other crooks.
So I just looked up the specs on this hydro assist an had a good laugh. the electrolyzer they use generates 70lph of gH2 / gO @ 15 amps, I've seen designs that operate at 5 times that efficiency. And he was charging $1000 for them? LOL. definitely a crook and deserves to be prosecuted, it just sucks because it gives an otherwise promising technology a bad name
Sorry your right the research paper wasn't published by NASA, but indepedent researchers (on contract for nasa). They found that injecting hydrogen into a Methanol hydrocarbon based rocket increased fuel effiency by about 8%.
The article is still online, but now they charge $50 to read it. =/
No I'm not trying to insult you, but I want people to know this technology can work if done right!
NASA says this technology does work. It does work. But to achieve gains of 50%, you have to do things like remove the EGR system and catalytic converters, which you can get away with because the hydrogen injection actually lowers harmful emissions. But its totally illegal, because the law doesnt have a provision for hydrogen injected engines. And that's probably why people that are getting 50% better gas mileage wont fes up to it, they dont want to get smacked with a huge fine! Really funny!
I understand this "fine" gentleman has finally gotten the "mental health" by being institutionalized.... unfortunately the video is still here for the rest of the legitimate energies. Hope he gets his facts straight (along with his language) after he gets out.
Translation: you were unable to spot any error in my video, and that frustrated you to such an extent that the best you could do in reply was to try an insult. How very sad your worthless life must be.
what im trying to assertain is that my car is working with hho, it has been leaned out but it doesnt overheat. it does have less power on hho settings.
poor detonation and overheating damage and low power are the only bad things possible from a lean mix (yes they are bad, less so the last one about power)
but why isnt my car overheating at 40% leaning?
if anything it runs slightly cooler
and seeing as you have the math/thery/science to say why hho doesnt work
is why isnt my engine over heating? (and dont just slag me off, id like to know your educated opinion)
if its not the hho, it could be the small water vapour droplets created by my bubbler? could of just get an air bubbler to create more? and sack off hho?
and your also saying there is no other fuel i can supliment a lean mix with?
are there other ways to combat the heat of a lean mixture?
It is NOT working, you just think it is. The lean mix is getting you more MPG at the cost of engine damage.
The lean mix will not cause the engine to overheat, but it will still burn exhaust valves and burn holes in the pistons. The HHO is not adding any more water than driving on a rainy day.
Don't believe me, I don't care, it is you engine being damaged not mine.
im fighting a lost cause on this. hydrogen is weaker but its combustion rate is six times that of petrol.
a normal engine with pistons and cylinders is not the best for this.
rotary engines are, i cant afford one
a lean cars problem is heat disipation/misfire/pinking, water wapour from the hhobubbler with help this along with the hydrogen and oxygen recombining to water.
this increased combustion rate enables a more complete burn
Again you are just spouting Bullshit you have heard on a hho video, or read on a hho spam web site.
There is a term that is use here, it is called Octane, it is a way of putting a number on how fast gasoline burns. The higher the Octane rating the slower it burns. Because a slower burning fuel will deliver more power to the piston. A higher combustion rate = lower Octane rating. That is not a good thing.
That kind of Bullshit from hho peddlers is just that Bullshit.
jimmyhacker, you are hopeless. Tesla is credited with AC power over DC, he is also credited with the invention of radio. But that is about the only ideas he had that was worth anything. Broadcast power was a nice Idea, but it did not work, well we have it, kind of, some Radio Stations broadcast 50,000 watts. If your close enough to a radio station with an antenna and a diode you can light an LED.
I am not a pessimist, I am a realist, I realize there are people a lot smarter than I am, that have the equipment and the funds to do real research. The Scamers like Dennis Lee, Stan Myers and Joe Newman just to name a few. They are part of the problem not the solution.
You want to save up to 30% without damaging your engine ?
You have money & time invested in HHO, and you really want it to work. I understand. You have probably already changed your driving habits. Drive like there is a person in the back seat paying you a lot of money to give them a smooth ride.
Coast up to red lights. Take off slower & smother. Drive a little slower.
Take that extra battery & the HHO crap off, and lighten the vehicle.
LOL.. i was just reading what you guys had to say about this annoying guys vid and stumble upon you and jimmyboy here arguing.. i have to say, you won this battle with a long shot that got him good.. nicely said.. hahaha..
scientist & engineers all over the country are looking for alternative sources of energy to replace fossil fuels.
But I will tell you one thing they are not looking at is on demand HHO devices to put on cars. Why ? Because they already know that it is just a waste of energy.
Even the people selling this stuff knows it is a waste, but they are making money from it, so they don't care.
jimmyhackers said "overcomes thermodynamics" NO, you just added another loss. You would have been better off using the electricity from the solar cell for something useful. Instead of the loss involved in charging a battery to make HHO.
Every time you change one form of energy to another there is a loss.
Sometimes the loss is necessary, like using the solar cell to charge a battery to use for lights at night. But adding steps to make HHO is just stupid.
i said i over come the 1st law of thermodynamics,bad phrasing on my part, sorry. i do better than people who run this system off their alternator.
i was saying that people say this doesnt work as you cant create energy as all elec come from your engine, im saying that i know im not
and im not adding steps, im exchanging the 1st step (petrol/chem - kinetic - elec) for (solar - elec) & the last two remain the same steps as before. i take out a transer with drains energy from the engine.
"Dude I know people who run their cars with HHO injection and who run it off straight HHO"
People can not even get more than 600 watts from a tiny 3.5 HP generator and yet you expect us to believe someone is running a car on it with a 180 to 350 HP engine. What color is your kook aid?
Yes, cult. The "hho" clowns show every sign of being in a cult as defined by several experts on the subject, such as Isaac Bonewitz. When you use Tesla's name you slander him and his achievements.
A comment I left in Smacks Channel. Wonder if he will let it thru:
My evidence is posted on my website.
The evidence is posted. Your acceptance of it is NOT required, nor does it validate or invalidate it's content.
Your feedback cannot be trusted. You have an agenda, which is evident by your bully tactics and refusal to listen to other criticism. My evidence refutes yours hands down. None of mine includes HAND WRITTEN data. Mine has been verified by the STATE OF NC
and some of them say that hho has 6x more power than gas. That is them hingepin they base thier arguments on. But we know this is another false statement.
Adding Hydrogen to an engine burning gasoline does NOT improve combustion. It does NOT improve millage. It does NOT lower emissions. This is ALL Bullshit made up by the people trying to sell this Scam.
Hydrogen has such a low Octane rating (if it could even be measured) and if there was enough of it getting into the cylinder it would cause detonation or knocking. But there is just not enough hydrogen to make any difference.
Three days ago I made a group called "Evidence" under the ning period com social networking site. There is a social network called "HHOINFO" at that web site, with over 2,000 people. Funny, but only one person so far has joined the "Evidence" group. I guess when it comes to evidence they just aren't interested.
voltage regulator handles that. But youre right, the alt only puts out what is demanded from it, but at on 50% efficient, the alt will burn itself up quickly once it has reached capacity. Ive seen heavy duty truck alts on some cars with engines as small as 1.8L (toyota). its crazy what some nuts will do.
And yes, I would like to have recognition from an accredited institution. That takes alot of money. I have VERY little money. So hopefully someone will see this preliminary evidence and step forward with some real backing to investigate further
Reality check: NO ONE will ever back you with that crap on your site as evidence. You must think people are idiots. Well, we're not, which is why you are still penniless
Well that is just sad. You are right: nobody with average or higher intelligence is going to look at eletrikride's "evidence" and rush money to him: his "evidence" is no better than 200 other web sites out there making the same claims.
Too bad he cant see thtat. What constitutes evidence to people like him are other people like him saying "yes, it works". And NONE of them have valid evidence it works. So they have to settle for the occaional idiot to come along that has NO knowlege of science or cars to believe them and give them money. This is the ONLY way they will ever get funding. Thats the sad part
NOW if you can show me PROOF that properly installed devices do not work, then I will rerun every positive test I have ever done to re-examine how or where I have gone wrong. I will also ask all the providers of my supporting evidence to do the same. Either YOU are wrong, or there is some kind of mass hypnosis going on here.
I looked at the images you posted; I would reject them as evidence that these "hho" devices do not work. I would need video evidence with emissions testing done without the automobile going away and returning. I would preliminarily accept a test with the device on, then immediately another est with the device off.
thats not gonna happen with customers. They come in for an emission certificate and if they fail, they cannot get retested until the vehicle has been fixed(or removal of the hho device) Then the vechicle can be retested. Thats the system. i have several of these documents that show "fail" and 'pass' because of hho systems. unfortuately, i dont have video. But as i told Eletrikride, i will build one of his and test it at my shop on video. I cannot video customer tests w/o permission
Another pm, in part about his faulty data: his response:
I'm NOT taking the data on faith!!!!!
The numbers are RIGHT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't care where the test was run!!!!!!!!!
The data shows what it shows!!!!!!!!! That's not faith! That is FACT.
I propose that it is YOUR data that is actually faith based. That you have not actually performed a VALID test on a VALID system, therefore your INVALID assertion is solely faith based! There is no solid correct data to support it!
you got no science to show it works. I have evidence to show it doesnt. Doesnt matte. You cult nuts wont believe it anyway. Whens your next cult gathering? Gonna have the "blue" koolaid there?
these are not "fuel cells". They are simple electrolysis devices and they are ineffective as mpg boosters. Prove me wrong by providing valid evidence otherwise. You cannot, this is why you HAVE not
SAE 2006 0103434: " Hydrogen production by the electrolysis of water using the engine as the source of energy was studied. It was found that the presence of 02 as a product of electrolysis would not produce a significant change in engine performance, and the overall effect of the H2 was found energetically not to be viable over much of the engine operating range"
This is directly from the Univercity of Notre Dame
"Components with high boiling temperatures are sent to a cracking unit. Cracking is a process which breaks down long chains of heavy hydrocarbons into much shorter chains by breaking carbon-carbon double bonds."
This has nothing to do with hho making gasoline more efficient. Why are you quoting ND? Quit googling for answers. The answers are right in front of you. This is not rocket science. The properties of gasoline are well know. People make careers out of making gasoline. Hydrogen properties are well known. The ICE is well know. Nothing here is that complicated. Basic science and physics, NOT particle physics or quantum mechanics
here is another myth exposed. the hp at created @ idle is low. more throttle more hp. The hho is flowing at a constant rate. Calculations bear this out that the rate @ idle is insufficient to begin with. Tests also prove this. push the throttle, and more gas is injected, more hp is created. hho flow rate unchanged. hho burn too fast. it is water before the gasoline finishes burning. Now you have steam expanding, but not that much. not enough WI to cause increase in mpg.
I received most of this information from the U.S. Department of Energy Office of Science about the burn details of hho. But I can argue that you can increase the effiancy of the gasoline itself with hho using basic physics and chemistry.
show me the chemistry that it works. Show me the physics that it works. then show me the testing results that backs up your assertations. Show me these and you have a valid argument. I have actually done the testing on these things to confirm they are ineffective. Hands on tests. Not on my car. On customers cars. I have the documents to prove it. Not a DOT paper. A valid emission and dyno certs. Give me what ya got and lets compare and discuss
Also, i will be posting certified emission certs and dyno sheets taken from tests done on diff cars that has these devices and associated electronics installed. I will be building Eletrikrides cell, installing and testing in on film. I will be using professors from NC State and UNC@chapel hill to oversee. Profession videographers to film. No editing. All will be posted. This will put an end to this.
All of this refers to electrolysis of water using the cars electrical system. It just cannot produce enough hho to do whats claimed. Not enough room here to get techical like I need to, but good enough to get the major points across. I am starting a website for anyone who want to comment about this and express the points they want to. Stay tuned for address
I think you should really study this with the bias you seem to have. You have been told some myths about the ice and you believe them. do some reading, go ask professionals that actually engineer these things, ask chemists who know how formulated gas works in an engine. then, maybe, you will begin to see something you havent seen before
To create the hho takes power. Take the power your engine normally needs, up that for the production of your hho, lean out your a/f ratio, add the hho and you will come in at a net loss. Too many inefficiencies. ICE 30% eff, alt 50% eff, hho cell 50% eff(AT BEST). All at 100% eff the best you could ever get is EVEN. NEVER OVER UNITY. This includes the myth that hho increases combustion eff to the point of giveing better mpg AFTER all the losses consumed in generating it in the first place
HHO alone burns at 560 °C in air. Hydrogen's high flame speed( 3.24 - 4.40 m/s) also offers a chance to increase the power output without increasing engine size. Using a direct injection of hydrogen, the power density is roughly 117 percent that of an equivalent gasoline engine.
no it doesnt offer a chance to increase power. Not after you lean the a/f ratio. the ONLY was it will give more power is to use it without leaning a/f. But you would still come in at a loss. The MOST you could EVER hope for is breaking even. To take engine power to make electricity to make hho then to burn hho to increase mileage will NEVER happen. too many losses in the conversions. Too many to overcome to get any gains.
What you dont realize is that IF you speed combustion, you lose power. H2 burns superfast compared to gas and all it will do is burn the gas faster causing the heat to dissipate faster therefore providing LESS work. Add the leaning out of the a/f ration to dangerous levels and you have even LESS heat to perform the work. My next post I will show you how you cannot get better mpg with hho
you cannot increase the speed of the combustion stroke by using LESS gas. Gasoline is formulated to burn at the optimal rate. the optimal rate meaning that the amout of heat released determines power. The amount of heat transferred away from combustion AIDS in the combustion process. Engine are designed to run optimally at 180 - 200 deg. Lowering that temp HINDERS power. You are just repeating a myth that you have heard but never studied and verified. I have
Excuse me if I started on the wrong foot. But I believe that H2(g) and O2(g) is a catalyst of gasoline. Any Machanic would know that gasoline genorates a vast amount of heat in a combustion stroke. This is due to from a slow burning process. HHO speeds the burning process creating less heat and more mechanical motion.
I have had many phone conversations with Radarman. He spent a lot of time debunking HHO on Youtube and many other places on the net. He told me the reason he did it was because he was being paid about $40,000 from his contacts in the Department of Justice to collect data on people involved in the HHO scam. After he compiled data for about 9 months, he deleted his channel and moved onto collecting data on people involved in other scams.
Thats because his channel was banned. Anyways hes not a bad guy at all. He wants to stop the scammers like Dennis Lee who make false claims on there cars. Another thing about Radarman is he cost SMACK about 5K from EPA.
Radar man is a radical to all "Joe the Mechanic" who attempts to try to receive gains using HHO in there cars.( excuse me while I pause this freaking video!) Anyways I was in a conference with radarman. Although his objectives are good he is not. He is a complete asshole, he reports people using hho in there vehicles to the EPA and causes HELL! Thats what happened to smack. Any ways hho is getting a bad reputation for being the next Clean energy fuel. And no one has claimed it DOESN'T WORK!
I claim it doesnt work. I am an ASE Master tech with a GM dealership and I have tested 5 of these devices on different vehicles. Dyno, emission and hp/torque. NONE of the devices showed improvements of ANY of the tests. So before you go all apeshit, you should know that I report hho vehicles that enter my shop as per instructions. Reported 6. 5 customers and Eletrikride as of yesterday. Does that make me an asshole? Yes? So what?
The problem stems from "Joe the Mech" thinking they have found something that professionals KNOW doesnt work, but these "Joes" are selling and installing these things on peoples cars without getting anything certified or tested. This literally shouts "SCAM". Turning wrenches for 22 yrs at the same dealership and continual schooling and testing these things qualifies me to say they dont work. I dont care if you think they do. I KNOW they don't.
You cannot get gasoline to do the same work with less of it. This things do not make the engine more thermally efficient and I can prove it. The only gains you see are from the leaning of the a/f ratio to dangerous levels and driving habit changes. You can gain up to 30% increase in mpg just with driving habits alone. This is what you are seeing , whether you admit it or not.
I posted that we need 5,653 gallons of HHO at 120 F degrees to equal the energy content of one gallon of gasoline. The HHO people conveniently IGNORE factual posts.
poor dennis lee, he had no idea what he was getting into. These guys that made this video look like the most un educated indiviuals I ever seen. I have a vehicle modified with a HHO system on it, and I am happy with the work the guys that put it in did. If I were not a lesbo, I would sleep with the guy that got my car to work. It is so cool to own something that does work, and is so contraversial. Happy driving guys, for i am saving money on gas in my car
Then again this guy he is finding out that claiming things and not getting such claims is not working.
I still follow the story desertphile. Interesting how far people will go to safe just a few dollars.
Oh on leaning the engine? Bad idea! They are obviously designed to run at certain specifications. Run them under it and you might find you car stalling.
I hooked up my car to the HHO system, to my 1972 Chevy station wagon. Then my hair grew back. But that wasn't before my penis grew to the astonishing size of 17 inches. My fat just melted away, without diet or exercise. Then the IRS sent me a check for $100k. A Nigerian prince then gave me $2mil that was just sitting in a Swiss bank. And now, I own my own country.
I don't have a car, so I just bought a HHO system whIch immediately made me more attractive to women, allowed me to start my own multi-billion dollar business, and the additional x-ray specs gave me the power to look through women's clothing.
Dennis Lee has robber thousands of people out of millions of dollars. I don't know if that makes him "bright" or not, but it makes his victims look ignorant.
Verify these facts with the internet or encyclopedias and you will save yourself time, money, and frustration on HHO experiments that CANNOT improve your fuel mileage.
5,653 gallons of HHO at 120 F degrees replaces one gallon of gasoline. Here is the proof.
The BMW HYDROGEN 7 can run on hydrogen or gasoline. BMW says at 100 KPH or 62 MPH, its range is 125 miles, using 17.6 pounds of LIQUID hydrogen, stored in its super insulated tank at 423 F degrees, BELOW zero.
HHO is in gaseous form, so how many liters does 17.6 pounds of hydrogen (NOT HHO) occupy in gaseous form? At Standard Temperature and Pressure (STP) of 0 degrees Celsius at sea level, hydrogen weighs 0.08988 grams per liter. (Source: Any science book)
17.6 pounds = 7,983.23 grams. Divide by 0.08988 grams per liter. So at STP, 17.6 pounds of hydrogen occupies 88,821 liters.
H20 (water) has a two to one molar ratio, so HHO gas occupies 50 percent more volume than hydrogen gas.
88,821 + 50 percent = 133,232 liters. So, at STP, 133,232 liters of HHO and 88,221 liters of hydrogen gas have the same energy content.
Thus far, everything has been at STP, but HHO devices run at about 120 F degrees. With a gaseous volume calculator, I determined that at 120 F degrees, the gas expands 17.8 percent. For each 240 feet above sea level, an additional 1 percent. At 240 feet, 133,232 + 18.8 percent = 158,280 liters of HHO to equal the energy content of 17.6 pounds
BMW says on gasoline, this 5,100-pound car gets 16.9 MPG (US gallon) at 62 MPH. Running time on hydrogen = 125 miles divided by 62 MPH = 2.016 hours x 60 minutes = 120.96 minutes. 158,280 liters of HHO divided by 120.96 minutes means that to run a 16.9 MPG vehicle on 100 percent HHO would require 1,309 LPM when traveling at 62 MPH.
2.5 LPM is only 0.191 percent of the required fuel for a 16.9 MPG vehicle at 62 MPH.
The two tenths of one percent is easily offset by the additional alternator load, resulting in LESS MPG, not more, because the HHO cell wastes more energy than it produces.
Travel the same 125 miles on gasoline. 125/16.9 = 7.396 gallons or 27.997 liters. 158,280 liters of HHO divided by 27.997 liters of gasoline to go 125 miles, is a ratio of 5,653 to one. So, we need 5,653 gallons of HHO at 120 F degrees to equal the energy content of one gallon of gasoline.
It appears promising, but my interest in energy supply has also shown me that many people are engaged in all out fraud to make money in the energy crunch. I favorited it and will try to keep on eye on it to see if it is for real. More importantly, can it make a dent in 86 million barrels of oil used EVERY day, world wide.
Almost all HHO people warn very sternly about compressing HHO. It has its own oxidizer, making it extremely dangerous.
Witness a 2 liter explosion then multiply that by even the 30 gallon capacity of the BMW hydrogen 7. VERY big bomb. But that 30 gallons of HHO will get you a very small distance compared to the liquid hydrogen which has an energy density of 10.1 MJ per liter, compared to gaseous hydrogen at .01079 MJ per liter at room temperature. 936 to 1 ratio.
Thank you for your numbers, here and elsewhere in other videos. I planned on using some of them after I checked them for accuracy, which I have done. If I did the calculation correctly, the ratio of gasoline to oxyhydrogen at 70 degrees is 4,754 to 1. No wonder nobody uses oxyhydrogen. :-)
Desertphile, Thank you for all you do debunking HHO. 4,754 to 1 is fairly close at 70 degrees. Currently, I am working on a comparison using the BMW Hydrogen 7 because it can run on gasoline or hydrogen. It will have the correct conversions in it for HHO, which has LESS energy per any given volume, than pure hydrogen. When I have triple checked all my data, I will post it to this video. It appears that at 120 F typical HHO temperature, the number will be 5,653 to 1. Hope to have it done soon.
Also, most electric items are about 86 to 97 percent efficient. IC engines are about 25-30 percent efficient, so solar panels should be used for electrical uses, not for making HHO to feed to an inefficient IC engine. In other words, use solar panels to recharge an electric car, but not for wasteful HHO.
You know what I would want, a car with both electric drive and okay a diesel [torque]. Giving quite a tad bit of pure torque. With those new more efficient solar panels in the "metal" roofing.
Right after the Dateline Dennis Lee episode, almost all of the HHO people stopped making more Youtube videos. After Dennis Lee is found guilty, many of these people will delete their Youtube accounts for fear of the Federal Trade Commission coming after them. People are waking up to this scam and I see more and more people exposing the scam on Youtube and elsewhere. The scam will fail.
How much hydrogen would it take to make a vehicle of lets say 8000kg, go 500km distance? What size of tank would you need given that it's compressed to the max? The reason I ask this, is what if you were generating the Hh0 at home using solar panels, and compress it in tanks to be used in a fuel cell. Would it be feasible or would the hh0 containers require to be over sized for the vehicle to travel that kind of distance?
Quite a bit... if you could compress and liquify it like pure hydrogen (which you can't), you would need about 80 to 90 liquid gallons to go that far. Since HHO does not compress beyond 300 PSI at any temperature, you will need to use about 30 full-size oxygen cylinders to carry the gas equivalent to one gallon of liquified hydrogen. The range would be short, but it could had practical applications in city cars.
You Can make liquid hydrogen but I don't think it will react the same once used rather than pure hh0. Also, I was reading up on it, and it requires very cold temperatures to sustain it. Thus an energy loss in order to keep the container that cold. Not to forget, very pricey.
Luc59457, you asked about a 8000kg vehicle and a 500km distance. While I have not figured that out, I can give you the following two part explanation.
NASA used a methanol reformer to produce a hydrogen flow rate of 0.231 kilogram per hour. At (STP) Standard Temperature and Pressure (0 Celsius at Sea Level) a liter of hydrogen weighs 0.08988 gram, so 231 grams occupies 2,570 liters.
HHO gas is a two to one molar ratio, so the Oxygen requires 50 percent more space. 2,570 + 50 percent = 3,855 liters at STP. At 120 F (typical HHO cell temperature) a gas expands 17.84 percent, new figure is 4,543 liters per hour.
Each 100 feet above sea level would add 21 liters.
NASA used the equivalent of at least 4,543 liters of HHO per hour or 75.72 liters per minute. NASA got about a 10 to 15 percent reduction in needed gasoline, depending on the equivalency ratios used. BUT, they used wasted exhaust heat from the engine to reform the methanol, not power robbed from the engine to turn an alternator.
A 30 amp HHO system only produces 2.5 liters per minute or 3.3 percent of what NASA used,
I would earnestly offer $1000 to drive a truck for .004 cents per mile.
Begbucks 7 months ago
They need to go after jhon searl next.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
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Looking kind of foolish now with Eletrikride being completely vindicated of every bullshit setup you and the rest of the "Smack Pack" pulled to discredit him, don't you?
Yes, the answer you're looking for is yes, and foolish is a kind word.
ThePresidentialTouch 1 year ago
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Looking kind of foolish now with Eletrikride being completely vindicated of every bullshit setup you and the rest of the "Smack Pack" pulled to discredit him, don't you?
Yes, the answer you're looking for is yes, and foolish is a kind word.
ThePresidentialTouch 1 year ago
I won't be put in the position of defending Dennis Lee, but you don't mention that the FTC lost its case.
ArizonaHydroFuel 1 year ago
@ArizonaHydroFuel - The FTC did not lose their case. A temporary restraining order was denied but the case continues. In all actuality unless Dennis Lee can pull a rabbit from his ass I can't see him winning this. Then again he could produce an actual working model but I think he would have better luck pulling a rabbit from his ass.
FredGarvin2767 1 year ago
@ArizonaHydroFuel ; the FTC did not lose the case. In fact their cases is even strnger today now that more victims of the scam have joined the prosecution.
Desertphile 1 year ago
your one sexy girl ;)
etniesannex05 1 year ago
did Dennis Lee fondle you when you young ?? get an job.. instead of trying sooo hard to catching attention online ,, when you open your mouth its sounds like my azzz fart ..
superwhiz88 2 years ago
Translation: you were unable to spot any error in my video, and that frustrated you to such an extent that the best you could do in reply was to try an insult. How very sad your worthless life must be.
Desertphile 2 years ago
do you have an job.. beside ridicule dannis lee everyday.. what did he do to you ... did he touch you .. im trying to find out.. i think there is conspiracy going on there.. now that you get me excited about this subject
superwhiz88 2 years ago
I hope this man if you want to call hin that is not still free and walking around scaming others!
brownsgas101 2 years ago 2
i wonder why you so against these stuff.. did someone stick an hho balloon up your azz and blow it up when you was child ??? or you just one of those attention craving individual who never got bj before and drive all your excess energy here..
superwhiz88 2 years ago
Dear slow person.
I am against crime and fraud for the same reason I am against bigotry and hatred.
Desertphile 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
so wat you saying is that its ok for you to talk sht about other people,, yet its not ok for others to return favorite.... hahhahahha dump fk incase you wonder this is America not Red Russia ,,, its equal opportunity here...
superwhiz88 2 years ago
Translation: you were unable to spot any error in my video, and that frustrated you to such an extent that the best you could do in reply was to try an insult. How very sad your worthless life must be.
Desertphile 2 years ago
On your channl it says you are from the usa and not red russia; So you must like Dennis Lee that makes you a scamer!
brownsgas101 2 years ago 2
are u desertphile's boy friend .. you sounds just like him talking none sense... or you just enjoy to blow him..
superwhiz88 2 years ago
Keep your homosexual fantasies off my channel.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Do you have SHIT in your head?
Your a scamer just like Dennis Lee!
No Im not desertphile's boy friend I have a wife witch is more than I can say for you!
brownsgas101 2 years ago
FTC loss the case.. Dannise Lee win ..
same goes for you if you never try any hho system on your car.. you shouldn't commend cos you are an moron ,, its like telling people suger is not sweet yet you never taste yourself .. i wonder who is spreading lies..
superwhiz88 2 years ago
The case is still active, and law enforcement is still prosecution LOee, you stupid shit. In fact more victims have just submitted declarations for the prosecution. Lee will be sent back to prison where he belongs, and the FTC can move on to prosecuting other crooks.
Desertphile 2 years ago
So I just looked up the specs on this hydro assist an had a good laugh. the electrolyzer they use generates 70lph of gH2 / gO @ 15 amps, I've seen designs that operate at 5 times that efficiency. And he was charging $1000 for them? LOL. definitely a crook and deserves to be prosecuted, it just sucks because it gives an otherwise promising technology a bad name
robnox 2 years ago
Sorry your right the research paper wasn't published by NASA, but indepedent researchers (on contract for nasa). They found that injecting hydrogen into a Methanol hydrocarbon based rocket increased fuel effiency by about 8%.
The article is still online, but now they charge $50 to read it. =/
No I'm not trying to insult you, but I want people to know this technology can work if done right!
robnox 2 years ago
NASA says this technology does work. It does work. But to achieve gains of 50%, you have to do things like remove the EGR system and catalytic converters, which you can get away with because the hydrogen injection actually lowers harmful emissions. But its totally illegal, because the law doesnt have a provision for hydrogen injected engines. And that's probably why people that are getting 50% better gas mileage wont fes up to it, they dont want to get smacked with a huge fine! Really funny!
robnox 2 years ago
No, NASA does not say this scam works. Try again.
Desertphile 2 years ago
I understand this "fine" gentleman has finally gotten the "mental health" by being institutionalized.... unfortunately the video is still here for the rest of the legitimate energies. Hope he gets his facts straight (along with his language) after he gets out.
premelters 2 years ago
Translation: you were unable to spot any error in my video, and that frustrated you to such an extent that the best you could do in reply was to try an insult. How very sad your worthless life must be.
Desertphile 2 years ago
what im trying to assertain is that my car is working with hho, it has been leaned out but it doesnt overheat. it does have less power on hho settings.
poor detonation and overheating damage and low power are the only bad things possible from a lean mix (yes they are bad, less so the last one about power)
but why isnt my car overheating at 40% leaning?
if anything it runs slightly cooler
and seeing as you have the math/thery/science to say why hho doesnt work
why is mine?
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
my question to you (the qualified mechanic)
is why isnt my engine over heating? (and dont just slag me off, id like to know your educated opinion)
if its not the hho, it could be the small water vapour droplets created by my bubbler? could of just get an air bubbler to create more? and sack off hho?
and your also saying there is no other fuel i can supliment a lean mix with?
are there other ways to combat the heat of a lean mixture?
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
It is NOT working, you just think it is. The lean mix is getting you more MPG at the cost of engine damage.
The lean mix will not cause the engine to overheat, but it will still burn exhaust valves and burn holes in the pistons. The HHO is not adding any more water than driving on a rainy day.
Don't believe me, I don't care, it is you engine being damaged not mine.
noimw 2 years ago
you still didnt answer my question
is ther another fuel or way to keep your engine cool with a lean mix
like water/meth injection kits?
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
im fighting a lost cause on this. hydrogen is weaker but its combustion rate is six times that of petrol.
a normal engine with pistons and cylinders is not the best for this.
rotary engines are, i cant afford one
a lean cars problem is heat disipation/misfire/pinking, water wapour from the hhobubbler with help this along with the hydrogen and oxygen recombining to water.
this increased combustion rate enables a more complete burn
iridium tip spark plug work well aswell, comment?
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
Again you are just spouting Bullshit you have heard on a hho video, or read on a hho spam web site.
There is a term that is use here, it is called Octane, it is a way of putting a number on how fast gasoline burns. The higher the Octane rating the slower it burns. Because a slower burning fuel will deliver more power to the piston. A higher combustion rate = lower Octane rating. That is not a good thing.
That kind of Bullshit from hho peddlers is just that Bullshit.
noimw 2 years ago
Yes, you are fighting a lost cause. That is because HHO is a lost cause.
HHO does not enable a more complete burn. It does not reduce emissions. Emission test have proved that over and over.
noimw 2 years ago
can i also just put a point out there to think about
the hydrogen in the new hydrogen car infrastructure
is made with electrolisis on a mass industrial scale
they turn this gas into a liquid through a compressor
isnt this pretty inneficient? how do they make it efficient if they do?
with this they must get waste/excess oxygen
engines use oxygen :s
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
The hydrogen cars use a fuel cell to make electricity to power the vehicle with electric motors.
Not very efficient but it has 0 emissions. Except the power plant that makes the electricity to make the Hydrogen.
jimmyhackers you need to do a more in depth research instead of just reading the Headlines.
noimw 2 years ago
so even this hydrogen that the goverment is pushing probably just as bad as burning petrol then polutionwise :)
just stop cows farting and the greenhouse effect is gone (NO JOKE)
im still a half advocate for brushhless motors in cars but powered by one of tesla's wireless power stations
just a brushless motor and no need for batteris if your near a wireless power station :P
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
jimmyhacker, you are hopeless. Tesla is credited with AC power over DC, he is also credited with the invention of radio. But that is about the only ideas he had that was worth anything. Broadcast power was a nice Idea, but it did not work, well we have it, kind of, some Radio Stations broadcast 50,000 watts. If your close enough to a radio station with an antenna and a diode you can light an LED.
noimw 2 years ago
i think anyone can see i am rather hopeful
im sorry but you are the pesemist here
the technology is more than possible today
and probly about as expensive as the new hydrogen scheme is.
city driving wastes most fuel so have a hybrid and have wireless power stations near cities and along mass highways
obviously make sure the technology is safe
this is a hope FULL idea
im saying what if
dont try and knock me down at every step
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
I am not a pessimist, I am a realist, I realize there are people a lot smarter than I am, that have the equipment and the funds to do real research. The Scamers like Dennis Lee, Stan Myers and Joe Newman just to name a few. They are part of the problem not the solution.
noimw 2 years ago
yeah i know that too
whats wrong with me pushing this as a cheap bodge that you do yourself?
it works if you do it properly
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
You want to save up to 30% without damaging your engine ?
You have money & time invested in HHO, and you really want it to work. I understand. You have probably already changed your driving habits. Drive like there is a person in the back seat paying you a lot of money to give them a smooth ride.
Coast up to red lights. Take off slower & smother. Drive a little slower.
Take that extra battery & the HHO crap off, and lighten the vehicle.
You will save at least 30% on gas.
noimw 2 years ago
ive already stripped it out ages ago:P
im a british boy racer n all, coilovers, straight through exhaust, induction kit, iridium tip spark plugs, good ht leads, single wiper
v nippy :P
seeing as you know so much
ive seen "meth"? kits for cars
is that the same kinda fuel as dragsters
ive heard they have two one for power one for cooling
will one of these give me an increase cooling effect or make it possible for me to lean out my car?
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
jimmyhackers, you are hopeless.
You want a race car or better millage ? You can't have both.
Just go back to watching your bubbles & sniffing HHO if that makes you feel good.
WE ARE DONE.
noimw 2 years ago
look mate, screw you once again
i ask a valid question
and becuase you dont know the exact answer
you slate me
so yeah
go screw yourself
actually sod it i dont care. your like 62 your gonna die about 40 years before me
so HAHAHA
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
Well Fuck You too, jimmhackers.
I don't need to answer anymore of your stupid questions.
Your 21 you know it all anyway.
I have already lived 62 years.
You could be killed tomorrow in an accident.
so HAHAHAHA
noimw 2 years ago
LOL.. i was just reading what you guys had to say about this annoying guys vid and stumble upon you and jimmyboy here arguing.. i have to say, you won this battle with a long shot that got him good.. nicely said.. hahaha..
moonielo 2 years ago
you missed my point
if you say hho and hydrogen is really inficient
one gal of gas = 10,000 lire of hydrogen gas
musnt this hydrogen infrastructure be ridiculously inificient?
im not on about the cars themselves in this case.
i read that the fuel cells and brushless motors are very efficient.
maybe the US is trying to not be dependant on any foreign oil?
thoughts comments?
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
scientist & engineers all over the country are looking for alternative sources of energy to replace fossil fuels.
But I will tell you one thing they are not looking at is on demand HHO devices to put on cars. Why ? Because they already know that it is just a waste of energy.
Even the people selling this stuff knows it is a waste, but they are making money from it, so they don't care.
noimw 2 years ago
id like to point out realtivities of scale
i have a tiny 1.4 pug 306 engine
i used to have a 1.2 vauxhall nova and this was half as expensive to fill/run as my 1.4
little engine are more efficient
and easier to supliment/produce enough fuel for.
get a mini moto (0.5litre engine) make a little cell
feel the massive torque increase. this stuff works
ON SMALL ENGINES EASLIY
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
mate i made my own im not being ripped off
it works
f*** selling it. id rather show people how to for cheap
use a seperate battery charged by a solar panel to power your cell (how to over come thermodynamics)
make sure you adress your o2 sensor as this will mess up EVRY hho install unless adjusted
otherwise
its all gravy
HHO FOREVER
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
If you have one of these devices working as claimed, contact the JREF and take their $1,000,000 prize. What the bloody fuck are you waiting for?
Desertphile 2 years ago
ive looked at the criteria
they strip apart my first and only car that i worked hard for after it all, its my baby and i love it.
my engine half shagged anyways so id fail on the strip test
and i know youll hate this
but whats to stop them seeing it working and just saying nah it doesnt
just to give people like you more evidence so they can phase out this idea completely and slowly
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
jimmyhackers said "overcomes thermodynamics" NO, you just added another loss. You would have been better off using the electricity from the solar cell for something useful. Instead of the loss involved in charging a battery to make HHO.
Every time you change one form of energy to another there is a loss.
Sometimes the loss is necessary, like using the solar cell to charge a battery to use for lights at night. But adding steps to make HHO is just stupid.
noimw 2 years ago
i said i over come the 1st law of thermodynamics,bad phrasing on my part, sorry. i do better than people who run this system off their alternator.
i was saying that people say this doesnt work as you cant create energy as all elec come from your engine, im saying that i know im not
and im not adding steps, im exchanging the 1st step (petrol/chem - kinetic - elec) for (solar - elec) & the last two remain the same steps as before. i take out a transer with drains energy from the engine.
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
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noimw 2 years ago
You really are getting paid by someone to talk this crap.
I worry about you.
I am slandering him ? oh yea it that why we have a wireless society run off Tesla Coils ?
Can you smell the corruption ? it stinks.
Dude I know people who run their cars with HHO injection and who run it off straight HHO.
Its crazy people like you who are holding us back and from coming forward.
I have been speaking with psychologists about this topic ( as they are friends ) and you my friend are "clinically insane"
KrimReefa 2 years ago
"Dude I know people who run their cars with HHO injection and who run it off straight HHO"
People can not even get more than 600 watts from a tiny 3.5 HP generator and yet you expect us to believe someone is running a car on it with a 180 to 350 HP engine. What color is your kook aid?
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
"You really are getting paid by someone to talk this crap."
I am? People are? Bloody fuck--- I had no idea! Where's the money being deposited?
Desertphile 2 years ago
lol are you Serious ?
Cult ?
Come on you have to be mature about this.
I will give you one name, "Nikola Tesla" Look into his science, watch Zeitgeist, update your mind my friends.
This process arguing about a science that does work ( not Mr Lee's adventure ) is a very bad sign of civil insanity.
Not a good road.
The boundaries of Physics are more open than you have been told.
They made the H bomb out of H for one reason, Big Boom Boom.
Please I agree that Mr Lee may not of been right.
:)
KrimReefa 2 years ago
Yes, cult. The "hho" clowns show every sign of being in a cult as defined by several experts on the subject, such as Isaac Bonewitz. When you use Tesla's name you slander him and his achievements.
Desertphile 2 years ago
A comment I left in Smacks Channel. Wonder if he will let it thru:
My evidence is posted on my website.
The evidence is posted. Your acceptance of it is NOT required, nor does it validate or invalidate it's content.
Your feedback cannot be trusted. You have an agenda, which is evident by your bully tactics and refusal to listen to other criticism. My evidence refutes yours hands down. None of mine includes HAND WRITTEN data. Mine has been verified by the STATE OF NC
Silverados1500 2 years ago
These clowns see these little bubbles coming up from a hose.
What we need is a bubbler to show how much air an engine pulls in
at idle and then at 2,000 RPM. That would take a real big jar.
One that would hold about 500 gal. might do it. Maybe if they could
get some idea how much air an engine consumes is just a few
seconds, maybe they could understand why those little bubbles
can not do much.
noimw 2 years ago
cannot do much? cannot do anything. Its like a knat fart in a football stadium.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
"Its like a knat fart in a football stadium." Good One.
Did a little more research. Got some numbers.
1 gal of gasoline is equal to 10,119.591 Liters of Hydrogen
How many bubbles does it take to make 10,119.591 liters of
Hydrogen ?
noimw 2 years ago
and some of them say that hho has 6x more power than gas. That is them hingepin they base thier arguments on. But we know this is another false statement.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
that just hydrogen
answer this and here is your proof
if
1 gal of gas is equal to10,119.591 of hydrogen
how much petrol and hho in a mix is equal to one gallon of petrol alone
im guessing this figure whe you work it out as i cba will will have some explanation as to how hho works
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
It would add 0.022528 of a tablespoon to the gallon of gasoline.
Goodbye jimmyhackers
noimw 2 years ago
im still saying petrol and hydroen together in a mix
is different to just hydrogen
is different to just hho gas
is different to just petrol
combinations of fuels form seperate power figures and combustion characteristicks.
you are not taking this into account with your equations
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
jimmyhackers. NO, IT IS NOT DIFFERENT !
Adding Hydrogen to an engine burning gasoline does NOT improve combustion. It does NOT improve millage. It does NOT lower emissions. This is ALL Bullshit made up by the people trying to sell this Scam.
Hydrogen has such a low Octane rating (if it could even be measured) and if there was enough of it getting into the cylinder it would cause detonation or knocking. But there is just not enough hydrogen to make any difference.
noimw 2 years ago
I have a theory, That little dab of HHO going into a hot engine would
self ignite about half way up the compression stroke. I would bet
that is why the Dyno tests show a reduction in HP. That could also
account for the large increase in emissions.
I can't believe these idiots still think this HHO crap works.
They can't be bothered with facts, there mind is made up.
Talk about a closed mind.
noimw 2 years ago
Three days ago I made a group called "Evidence" under the ning period com social networking site. There is a social network called "HHOINFO" at that web site, with over 2,000 people. Funny, but only one person so far has joined the "Evidence" group. I guess when it comes to evidence they just aren't interested.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Yes, I put a link to it on my latest video.
hhoinfo ning com / group / evidence?page=1#comments
They don't need "Evidence" as long as they can make up shit as they go along.
noimw 2 years ago
The reduction in hp/torque is the same as turning on your AC. hp will decrease due to the parasitic drag on the system.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Yes, You and I know that. But
Have you seen some of the HHO cult retards comments that if you
don't use the excess current from the alternator to power an HHO
(electrolysis) cell, all that power is wasted.
Some of them really think an alternator puts out its rated amperage
any time the alternator is turning.
Can you imagine what 90 amps going into a battery would do.
noimw 2 years ago
voltage regulator handles that. But youre right, the alt only puts out what is demanded from it, but at on 50% efficient, the alt will burn itself up quickly once it has reached capacity. Ive seen heavy duty truck alts on some cars with engines as small as 1.8L (toyota). its crazy what some nuts will do.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
another pm, in part, from eletrikride to me.
And yes, I would like to have recognition from an accredited institution. That takes alot of money. I have VERY little money. So hopefully someone will see this preliminary evidence and step forward with some real backing to investigate further
Reality check: NO ONE will ever back you with that crap on your site as evidence. You must think people are idiots. Well, we're not, which is why you are still penniless
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Well that is just sad. You are right: nobody with average or higher intelligence is going to look at eletrikride's "evidence" and rush money to him: his "evidence" is no better than 200 other web sites out there making the same claims.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Too bad he cant see thtat. What constitutes evidence to people like him are other people like him saying "yes, it works". And NONE of them have valid evidence it works. So they have to settle for the occaional idiot to come along that has NO knowlege of science or cars to believe them and give them money. This is the ONLY way they will ever get funding. Thats the sad part
Silverados1500 2 years ago
in part, a pm from eletrikride to me:
NOW if you can show me PROOF that properly installed devices do not work, then I will rerun every positive test I have ever done to re-examine how or where I have gone wrong. I will also ask all the providers of my supporting evidence to do the same. Either YOU are wrong, or there is some kind of mass hypnosis going on here.
I have posted the proof on my website
Silverados1500 2 years ago
two VALID emissions certificate to begin with. More to come
Silverados1500 2 years ago
I looked at the images you posted; I would reject them as evidence that these "hho" devices do not work. I would need video evidence with emissions testing done without the automobile going away and returning. I would preliminarily accept a test with the device on, then immediately another est with the device off.
Desertphile 2 years ago
thats not gonna happen with customers. They come in for an emission certificate and if they fail, they cannot get retested until the vehicle has been fixed(or removal of the hho device) Then the vechicle can be retested. Thats the system. i have several of these documents that show "fail" and 'pass' because of hho systems. unfortuately, i dont have video. But as i told Eletrikride, i will build one of his and test it at my shop on video. I cannot video customer tests w/o permission
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Another pm, in part about his faulty data: his response:
I'm NOT taking the data on faith!!!!!
The numbers are RIGHT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't care where the test was run!!!!!!!!!
The data shows what it shows!!!!!!!!! That's not faith! That is FACT.
I propose that it is YOUR data that is actually faith based. That you have not actually performed a VALID test on a VALID system, therefore your INVALID assertion is solely faith based! There is no solid correct data to support it!
Silverados1500 2 years ago
sigh.
there is a few things you have to do to get them to work.
go educate yourself dude.
I men serious, you are talking shit about fuel cells that work.
Probably drugged up by the Government lol
KrimReefa 2 years ago
Sigh.
Produce evidence these devices work as claimed.
Desertphile 2 years ago
you got no science to show it works. I have evidence to show it doesnt. Doesnt matte. You cult nuts wont believe it anyway. Whens your next cult gathering? Gonna have the "blue" koolaid there?
Silverados1500 2 years ago
these are not "fuel cells". They are simple electrolysis devices and they are ineffective as mpg boosters. Prove me wrong by providing valid evidence otherwise. You cannot, this is why you HAVE not
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Lol. they charged you 19 dollars for having an illegal hydrogen generator? What was your perspective when you started using hho?
mikeyidh 2 years ago
I was the tester. That was the customers reciepts. I dont own one nor have I ever used one. Will never either. btw, the emission test cost $19.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Did you try re timing your cams closer to top dead center.
mikeyidh 2 years ago
SAE 2006 0103434: " Hydrogen production by the electrolysis of water using the engine as the source of energy was studied. It was found that the presence of 02 as a product of electrolysis would not produce a significant change in engine performance, and the overall effect of the H2 was found energetically not to be viable over much of the engine operating range"
Silverados1500 2 years ago
From the people SAE : Society of Automotive Engineers. Been studied. Found to be ineffective. Tested. found to be ineffective.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
lol your full of shit.
its straight science, it works.
sometimes the truth is so hard to believe.
Live and Learn
KrimReefa 2 years ago
IM full of shit? Wheres your proof? Got any? No? Then who is REALLY full of it. Cult nuts like you
Silverados1500 2 years ago
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Silverados1500 2 years ago
This is directly from the Univercity of Notre Dame
"Components with high boiling temperatures are sent to a cracking unit. Cracking is a process which breaks down long chains of heavy hydrocarbons into much shorter chains by breaking carbon-carbon double bonds."
mikeyidh 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with hho making gasoline more efficient. Why are you quoting ND? Quit googling for answers. The answers are right in front of you. This is not rocket science. The properties of gasoline are well know. People make careers out of making gasoline. Hydrogen properties are well known. The ICE is well know. Nothing here is that complicated. Basic science and physics, NOT particle physics or quantum mechanics
Silverados1500 2 years ago
here is another myth exposed. the hp at created @ idle is low. more throttle more hp. The hho is flowing at a constant rate. Calculations bear this out that the rate @ idle is insufficient to begin with. Tests also prove this. push the throttle, and more gas is injected, more hp is created. hho flow rate unchanged. hho burn too fast. it is water before the gasoline finishes burning. Now you have steam expanding, but not that much. not enough WI to cause increase in mpg.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
I received most of this information from the U.S. Department of Energy Office of Science about the burn details of hho. But I can argue that you can increase the effiancy of the gasoline itself with hho using basic physics and chemistry.
mikeyidh 2 years ago
show me the chemistry that it works. Show me the physics that it works. then show me the testing results that backs up your assertations. Show me these and you have a valid argument. I have actually done the testing on these things to confirm they are ineffective. Hands on tests. Not on my car. On customers cars. I have the documents to prove it. Not a DOT paper. A valid emission and dyno certs. Give me what ya got and lets compare and discuss
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Also, i will be posting certified emission certs and dyno sheets taken from tests done on diff cars that has these devices and associated electronics installed. I will be building Eletrikrides cell, installing and testing in on film. I will be using professors from NC State and UNC@chapel hill to oversee. Profession videographers to film. No editing. All will be posted. This will put an end to this.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
All of this refers to electrolysis of water using the cars electrical system. It just cannot produce enough hho to do whats claimed. Not enough room here to get techical like I need to, but good enough to get the major points across. I am starting a website for anyone who want to comment about this and express the points they want to. Stay tuned for address
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Anything else?
Silverados1500 2 years ago
I think you should really study this with the bias you seem to have. You have been told some myths about the ice and you believe them. do some reading, go ask professionals that actually engineer these things, ask chemists who know how formulated gas works in an engine. then, maybe, you will begin to see something you havent seen before
Silverados1500 2 years ago
"without the bias you have" ... i meant to say
Silverados1500 2 years ago
To create the hho takes power. Take the power your engine normally needs, up that for the production of your hho, lean out your a/f ratio, add the hho and you will come in at a net loss. Too many inefficiencies. ICE 30% eff, alt 50% eff, hho cell 50% eff(AT BEST). All at 100% eff the best you could ever get is EVEN. NEVER OVER UNITY. This includes the myth that hho increases combustion eff to the point of giveing better mpg AFTER all the losses consumed in generating it in the first place
Silverados1500 2 years ago
HHO alone burns at 560 °C in air. Hydrogen's high flame speed( 3.24 - 4.40 m/s) also offers a chance to increase the power output without increasing engine size. Using a direct injection of hydrogen, the power density is roughly 117 percent that of an equivalent gasoline engine.
mikeyidh 2 years ago
no it doesnt offer a chance to increase power. Not after you lean the a/f ratio. the ONLY was it will give more power is to use it without leaning a/f. But you would still come in at a loss. The MOST you could EVER hope for is breaking even. To take engine power to make electricity to make hho then to burn hho to increase mileage will NEVER happen. too many losses in the conversions. Too many to overcome to get any gains.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
and have you tested this to validate it? or is this just something you've read somewhere?
Silverados1500 2 years ago
What you dont realize is that IF you speed combustion, you lose power. H2 burns superfast compared to gas and all it will do is burn the gas faster causing the heat to dissipate faster therefore providing LESS work. Add the leaning out of the a/f ration to dangerous levels and you have even LESS heat to perform the work. My next post I will show you how you cannot get better mpg with hho
Silverados1500 2 years ago
I am refering the heat being transfered to the cylinder walls. Increaseing the speed of the combustion stroke short lives that.
mikeyidh 2 years ago
you cannot increase the speed of the combustion stroke by using LESS gas. Gasoline is formulated to burn at the optimal rate. the optimal rate meaning that the amout of heat released determines power. The amount of heat transferred away from combustion AIDS in the combustion process. Engine are designed to run optimally at 180 - 200 deg. Lowering that temp HINDERS power. You are just repeating a myth that you have heard but never studied and verified. I have
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Excuse me if I started on the wrong foot. But I believe that H2(g) and O2(g) is a catalyst of gasoline. Any Machanic would know that gasoline genorates a vast amount of heat in a combustion stroke. This is due to from a slow burning process. HHO speeds the burning process creating less heat and more mechanical motion.
mikeyidh 2 years ago
Tell me how. HEAT expanding is the motive force in the engine. Show me how making LESS heat will do more work. I await your response
Silverados1500 2 years ago
who is this "radarman" that eletrikride keeps referring to? cant seem to find any videos of his or a channel
Silverados1500 2 years ago
I have had many phone conversations with Radarman. He spent a lot of time debunking HHO on Youtube and many other places on the net. He told me the reason he did it was because he was being paid about $40,000 from his contacts in the Department of Justice to collect data on people involved in the HHO scam. After he compiled data for about 9 months, he deleted his channel and moved onto collecting data on people involved in other scams.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
very interesting. this explains a lot. thanks for that info
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Thats because his channel was banned. Anyways hes not a bad guy at all. He wants to stop the scammers like Dennis Lee who make false claims on there cars. Another thing about Radarman is he cost SMACK about 5K from EPA.
mikeyidh 2 years ago
now that is the most interesting of all....
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Radar man is a radical to all "Joe the Mechanic" who attempts to try to receive gains using HHO in there cars.( excuse me while I pause this freaking video!) Anyways I was in a conference with radarman. Although his objectives are good he is not. He is a complete asshole, he reports people using hho in there vehicles to the EPA and causes HELL! Thats what happened to smack. Any ways hho is getting a bad reputation for being the next Clean energy fuel. And no one has claimed it DOESN'T WORK!
mikeyidh 2 years ago
I claim it doesnt work. I am an ASE Master tech with a GM dealership and I have tested 5 of these devices on different vehicles. Dyno, emission and hp/torque. NONE of the devices showed improvements of ANY of the tests. So before you go all apeshit, you should know that I report hho vehicles that enter my shop as per instructions. Reported 6. 5 customers and Eletrikride as of yesterday. Does that make me an asshole? Yes? So what?
Silverados1500 2 years ago
The problem stems from "Joe the Mech" thinking they have found something that professionals KNOW doesnt work, but these "Joes" are selling and installing these things on peoples cars without getting anything certified or tested. This literally shouts "SCAM". Turning wrenches for 22 yrs at the same dealership and continual schooling and testing these things qualifies me to say they dont work. I dont care if you think they do. I KNOW they don't.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
You cannot get gasoline to do the same work with less of it. This things do not make the engine more thermally efficient and I can prove it. The only gains you see are from the leaning of the a/f ratio to dangerous levels and driving habit changes. You can gain up to 30% increase in mpg just with driving habits alone. This is what you are seeing , whether you admit it or not.
Silverados1500 2 years ago
Smack just posted a video showing that HHO increased the fuel economy on his generator.
water2gashawaii 2 years ago
I have no idea what "smack" is. If you mean "Elektricride" then no, he did not.
Desertphile 2 years ago
If Dennis Lee really ripped people off millions, dont you think he would have the money for his lawyer?
water2gashawaii 2 years ago
Dennis Lee has plenty of money; he objected to his lawyer telling him to plead guilty.
Desertphile 2 years ago
I posted that we need 5,653 gallons of HHO at 120 F degrees to equal the energy content of one gallon of gasoline. The HHO people conveniently IGNORE factual posts.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
poor dennis lee, he had no idea what he was getting into. These guys that made this video look like the most un educated indiviuals I ever seen. I have a vehicle modified with a HHO system on it, and I am happy with the work the guys that put it in did. If I were not a lesbo, I would sleep with the guy that got my car to work. It is so cool to own something that does work, and is so contraversial. Happy driving guys, for i am saving money on gas in my car
asianelleluvsgurls 2 years ago
Son, keep your sexual fantasies out of my channel.
Desertphile 2 years ago
I'm so glad that this is going forward !
You are a star for telling us this !
( There is fuck all in the news or on the net over here in the UK.) Thanks for the data !
I follow with avid anticipation. Yrs as ever Avid Fan !
faunflynn 2 years ago
Ah P.T.Barnum would be proud.
Then again this guy he is finding out that claiming things and not getting such claims is not working.
I still follow the story desertphile. Interesting how far people will go to safe just a few dollars.
Oh on leaning the engine? Bad idea! They are obviously designed to run at certain specifications. Run them under it and you might find you car stalling.
masticina 2 years ago
I hooked up my car to the HHO system, to my 1972 Chevy station wagon. Then my hair grew back. But that wasn't before my penis grew to the astonishing size of 17 inches. My fat just melted away, without diet or exercise. Then the IRS sent me a check for $100k. A Nigerian prince then gave me $2mil that was just sitting in a Swiss bank. And now, I own my own country.
Thanks Dennis Lee.
It's all that you said it would be.
Except now my car won't start.
ravenslaves 2 years ago 2
I don't have a car, so I just bought a HHO system whIch immediately made me more attractive to women, allowed me to start my own multi-billion dollar business, and the additional x-ray specs gave me the power to look through women's clothing.
Now I own three countries !
asianlife53 2 years ago 3
to the bloke who is getting 23mpg???
I know a way you can get 100% more mpg: Buy a fucking decent car with a decent fucking engine.
23mpg indeed.
D3ltaStar 2 years ago
lol hilarious. I think Dennis Lee not so bright.
water2gashawaii 2 years ago
Dennis Lee has robber thousands of people out of millions of dollars. I don't know if that makes him "bright" or not, but it makes his victims look ignorant.
Desertphile 2 years ago
"I don't know if that makes him "bright" or not, but it makes his victims look ignorant."
"There's a sucker born every minute."
Who was it that said that? I think it needs to be upgraded to the current birth rate.
mobiltec 2 years ago
(Part 1 of 5)
Verify these facts with the internet or encyclopedias and you will save yourself time, money, and frustration on HHO experiments that CANNOT improve your fuel mileage.
5,653 gallons of HHO at 120 F degrees replaces one gallon of gasoline. Here is the proof.
The BMW HYDROGEN 7 can run on hydrogen or gasoline. BMW says at 100 KPH or 62 MPH, its range is 125 miles, using 17.6 pounds of LIQUID hydrogen, stored in its super insulated tank at 423 F degrees, BELOW zero.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
(Part 2 of 5)
HHO is in gaseous form, so how many liters does 17.6 pounds of hydrogen (NOT HHO) occupy in gaseous form? At Standard Temperature and Pressure (STP) of 0 degrees Celsius at sea level, hydrogen weighs 0.08988 grams per liter. (Source: Any science book)
17.6 pounds = 7,983.23 grams. Divide by 0.08988 grams per liter. So at STP, 17.6 pounds of hydrogen occupies 88,821 liters.
H20 (water) has a two to one molar ratio, so HHO gas occupies 50 percent more volume than hydrogen gas.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
(Part 3 of 5)
88,821 + 50 percent = 133,232 liters. So, at STP, 133,232 liters of HHO and 88,221 liters of hydrogen gas have the same energy content.
Thus far, everything has been at STP, but HHO devices run at about 120 F degrees. With a gaseous volume calculator, I determined that at 120 F degrees, the gas expands 17.8 percent. For each 240 feet above sea level, an additional 1 percent. At 240 feet, 133,232 + 18.8 percent = 158,280 liters of HHO to equal the energy content of 17.6 pounds
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
(Part 4 of 5)
of hydrogen at 423 F degrees below zero.
BMW says on gasoline, this 5,100-pound car gets 16.9 MPG (US gallon) at 62 MPH. Running time on hydrogen = 125 miles divided by 62 MPH = 2.016 hours x 60 minutes = 120.96 minutes. 158,280 liters of HHO divided by 120.96 minutes means that to run a 16.9 MPG vehicle on 100 percent HHO would require 1,309 LPM when traveling at 62 MPH.
2.5 LPM is only 0.191 percent of the required fuel for a 16.9 MPG vehicle at 62 MPH.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
(Part 5 of 5)
The two tenths of one percent is easily offset by the additional alternator load, resulting in LESS MPG, not more, because the HHO cell wastes more energy than it produces.
Travel the same 125 miles on gasoline. 125/16.9 = 7.396 gallons or 27.997 liters. 158,280 liters of HHO divided by 27.997 liters of gasoline to go 125 miles, is a ratio of 5,653 to one. So, we need 5,653 gallons of HHO at 120 F degrees to equal the energy content of one gallon of gasoline.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
watch?v=pyXk7Mk1mas
Let me know what you find on it. If it's a scam, Dp should mention this one also. right?
luc59457 2 years ago
That is discarding the fact if it at least works. Is it worth it?..
luc59457 2 years ago
It appears promising, but my interest in energy supply has also shown me that many people are engaged in all out fraud to make money in the energy crunch. I favorited it and will try to keep on eye on it to see if it is for real. More importantly, can it make a dent in 86 million barrels of oil used EVERY day, world wide.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
Thanks, I look forward to seeing a conclusion on Solazyme.
luc59457 2 years ago
Almost all HHO people warn very sternly about compressing HHO. It has its own oxidizer, making it extremely dangerous.
Witness a 2 liter explosion then multiply that by even the 30 gallon capacity of the BMW hydrogen 7. VERY big bomb. But that 30 gallons of HHO will get you a very small distance compared to the liquid hydrogen which has an energy density of 10.1 MJ per liter, compared to gaseous hydrogen at .01079 MJ per liter at room temperature. 936 to 1 ratio.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
Thank you for your numbers, here and elsewhere in other videos. I planned on using some of them after I checked them for accuracy, which I have done. If I did the calculation correctly, the ratio of gasoline to oxyhydrogen at 70 degrees is 4,754 to 1. No wonder nobody uses oxyhydrogen. :-)
Desertphile 2 years ago
Desertphile, Thank you for all you do debunking HHO. 4,754 to 1 is fairly close at 70 degrees. Currently, I am working on a comparison using the BMW Hydrogen 7 because it can run on gasoline or hydrogen. It will have the correct conversions in it for HHO, which has LESS energy per any given volume, than pure hydrogen. When I have triple checked all my data, I will post it to this video. It appears that at 120 F typical HHO temperature, the number will be 5,653 to 1. Hope to have it done soon.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
Also, most electric items are about 86 to 97 percent efficient. IC engines are about 25-30 percent efficient, so solar panels should be used for electrical uses, not for making HHO to feed to an inefficient IC engine. In other words, use solar panels to recharge an electric car, but not for wasteful HHO.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
You know what I would want, a car with both electric drive and okay a diesel [torque]. Giving quite a tad bit of pure torque. With those new more efficient solar panels in the "metal" roofing.
Now that would be efficient.
masticina 2 years ago
Anyone stupid enough to get scammed by these people probably deserve to get scammed.
alastairguhn 2 years ago
HHO way to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Elvensteel0 2 years ago
Right after the Dateline Dennis Lee episode, almost all of the HHO people stopped making more Youtube videos. After Dennis Lee is found guilty, many of these people will delete their Youtube accounts for fear of the Federal Trade Commission coming after them. People are waking up to this scam and I see more and more people exposing the scam on Youtube and elsewhere. The scam will fail.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
How much hydrogen would it take to make a vehicle of lets say 8000kg, go 500km distance? What size of tank would you need given that it's compressed to the max? The reason I ask this, is what if you were generating the Hh0 at home using solar panels, and compress it in tanks to be used in a fuel cell. Would it be feasible or would the hh0 containers require to be over sized for the vehicle to travel that kind of distance?
luc59457 2 years ago
Quite a bit... if you could compress and liquify it like pure hydrogen (which you can't), you would need about 80 to 90 liquid gallons to go that far. Since HHO does not compress beyond 300 PSI at any temperature, you will need to use about 30 full-size oxygen cylinders to carry the gas equivalent to one gallon of liquified hydrogen. The range would be short, but it could had practical applications in city cars.
ZigourasEngineering 2 years ago
I guess it would only be feasible for large transport trucks. Simply too much space taking for so little mileage.
luc59457 2 years ago
Why 300 PSI limit? Liquid oxygen is a reality. How did you come up with 80-90 liquid gallons? Could you show your math?
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
I too haven't found anything about 300psi.
luc59457 2 years ago
You Can make liquid hydrogen but I don't think it will react the same once used rather than pure hh0. Also, I was reading up on it, and it requires very cold temperatures to sustain it. Thus an energy loss in order to keep the container that cold. Not to forget, very pricey.
luc59457 2 years ago
Yes, the BMW Hydrogen 7 stores the liquid hydrogen at 423 F degrees BELOW zero.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
Luc59457, you asked about a 8000kg vehicle and a 500km distance. While I have not figured that out, I can give you the following two part explanation.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
NASA used a methanol reformer to produce a hydrogen flow rate of 0.231 kilogram per hour. At (STP) Standard Temperature and Pressure (0 Celsius at Sea Level) a liter of hydrogen weighs 0.08988 gram, so 231 grams occupies 2,570 liters.
HHO gas is a two to one molar ratio, so the Oxygen requires 50 percent more space. 2,570 + 50 percent = 3,855 liters at STP. At 120 F (typical HHO cell temperature) a gas expands 17.84 percent, new figure is 4,543 liters per hour.
(Part 1 of 2)
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
(Part 2 of 3)
Each 100 feet above sea level would add 21 liters.
NASA used the equivalent of at least 4,543 liters of HHO per hour or 75.72 liters per minute. NASA got about a 10 to 15 percent reduction in needed gasoline, depending on the equivalency ratios used. BUT, they used wasted exhaust heat from the engine to reform the methanol, not power robbed from the engine to turn an alternator.
A 30 amp HHO system only produces 2.5 liters per minute or 3.3 percent of what NASA used,
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
(Part 3 of 3)
PLUS it robs power from the engine to power the alternator. Gains from HHO? I say impossible.
EnergySupply2008 2 years ago 2
I have read the victims' statements: One of them is a science teacher!
Kattarina98 2 years ago
great news!
aogilmor 2 years ago
User: Electrikrides account has been suspended...
luc59457 2 years ago
Why was his account suspending? Anyone know?
menotfree 2 years ago
Electrikride's account has not been suspended.
menotfree 2 years ago 2