Your basing TV ratings on how well a combat sport is doing, when you should be judging it as a whole. Saying japanese mma is dead when you have packed arenas is ridiculous. Who cares about ratings. The TUF ratings this year are HORRIBLE, but people still know who bruce leroy is, does that mean the UFC is dead? no. the same applies.
@SamuraixJack Oh I forgot to mention, as of right now after DREAM 16, MMA in Japan and FEG is in serious jeopardy. DREAM 16 failed to gather up even decent ratings. FEG is struggling to keep DREAM alive and they're seriously on the verge of dropping DREAM because of the poor ratings. Don't be surprised if DREAM collapses in 2011. Nobody in Japan gives a shit about MMA anymore which is why nobody tunes in for MMA. FEG seriously has to pull out everything they got for DYNAMITE or else DREAM dies.
@odus That to me is VERY surprising. That being said, i hope someone does something soon. Hopefully FEG will pull some stars from K-1 so we can FINALLY see a DREAM HW champion. I cant imagine Bob Sapp coming back.
This looks like a great card on paper, hopefully the fights will live up to their full potential.
Too bad HDNet won't release Dream events on DVD, I'd like to support them financially, but I live in a country where HDNet is not available, so I'm forced to watch these events via not-so-legal means.
@SamuraixJack yea true, dana white that asian hater said that the ufc buying out pride was to join the two and swap fighters but instead he shut down pride completely...some of the best fights were dream fighters against strikeforce fighters...the yakuza who own pride should of made dana white gone forever
Dream is here to stay, its not like American ones, who no one knows about. MMA was MASSIVE in Japan long before the days of the ultimate fighter. The only reason Pride is gone is because the UFC bought it out. FEG has too much money in Japan. The sport it there to stay in Japan. It'd be like taking british premier out of britain, they'd still follow their local teams.
@SamuraixJack LOL You clearly don't know shit about MMA in Japan. You think packing the arena is everything? Do you know how important TV ratings are in Japan? DREAM has been struggling to keep up with at least decent TV ratings ever since and they're going downhill right now. They relied mainly on KID, Sexyama, and Masato for high ratings, with the latter two no longer with them. MMA has been dying in Japan since 2006. Nobody in Japan cares about MMA anymore.
@odus Once again, your only looking at DREAM. And if thats all your looking at, then your not really making any sense. DREAM still has MANY stars. Aoki pulls in crowds on his own, as well as Sakuraba, DESPITE the fact that he is quite old. And must we forget about the K-1 HW champion Kyotaro, as well as Yoshihiro Sato. When you add people like that, plus the other foreign stars like mousasi, manhoef, and your usual judo champs, mma in japan aint goin no where like i said.
@SamuraixJack Did you not read what I wrote? TV ratings in Japan are a HUGE FUCKING DEAL. I'm talking about Japan here, dumbass. Low TV ratings was one of the reasons PRIDE died. Aoki is not a big draw like Masato and KID, and neither is Saku due to his downfall. At the moment, the only fighters DREAM can rely on for ratings are Ishii and KID. Oh, DREAM and K-1 are two different attractions. K-1 has been lasting for a long time and still is. But MMA in Japan has been dying for the past 4 years.
@odus did u not read what I wrote? i already understand that it is a huge fucking deal, but if it were really that big, DREAM, Sengoku, and every other mma org in Japan would be Defunct by now. as for pride, i thought it died because zuffa bought them?
in any event, i can agree that unless someone like kyotaro or some other star transfers over into mma, or unless there is another masato out there, japanese mma will die, but for now its still walking, barely, but still.
@SamuraixJack Sengoku is waiting till DREAM dies so they can become the face of MMA in Japan (even though they're a shit organization that nobody cares to attend). It was the yakuza scandal, lack of TV deal and low TV ratings that killed PRIDE. I don't believe Zuffa killed PRIDE. Sakikabara and the yakuza got the last laugh and fucked the UFC over when they bought PRIDE.
Fighters like KID and Ishii, and freakshows are the only way Japanese will tune in for MMA. Masato retiring K-1 hurt FEG big.
Your basing TV ratings on how well a combat sport is doing, when you should be judging it as a whole. Saying japanese mma is dead when you have packed arenas is ridiculous. Who cares about ratings. The TUF ratings this year are HORRIBLE, but people still know who bruce leroy is, does that mean the UFC is dead? no. the same applies.
SamuraixJack 1 year ago
@SamuraixJack Oh I forgot to mention, as of right now after DREAM 16, MMA in Japan and FEG is in serious jeopardy. DREAM 16 failed to gather up even decent ratings. FEG is struggling to keep DREAM alive and they're seriously on the verge of dropping DREAM because of the poor ratings. Don't be surprised if DREAM collapses in 2011. Nobody in Japan gives a shit about MMA anymore which is why nobody tunes in for MMA. FEG seriously has to pull out everything they got for DYNAMITE or else DREAM dies.
odus 1 year ago
@odus That to me is VERY surprising. That being said, i hope someone does something soon. Hopefully FEG will pull some stars from K-1 so we can FINALLY see a DREAM HW champion. I cant imagine Bob Sapp coming back.
SamuraixJack 1 year ago
This looks like a great card on paper, hopefully the fights will live up to their full potential.
Too bad HDNet won't release Dream events on DVD, I'd like to support them financially, but I live in a country where HDNet is not available, so I'm forced to watch these events via not-so-legal means.
CloserEnd 1 year ago
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Dream 16 looks like its gonna be a pretty awesome mma event!
Kazushi Sakuraba vs Jason “Mayhem” Miller
Shinya Aoki vs Marcus Aurelio
Gegard Mousasi vs Tatsuya Mizuno
Joachim Hansen vs Hideo Tokoro...and more awesome fights!
I can't wait to watch it tonight at 2 am est live online free here DREAM16 (dot) TK
Daria8331 1 year ago
Besides that DREAM is in alliance with Strikeforce AND K-1. They can switch and swap fighters whenever they feel. Japanes MMA is here to stay.
SamuraixJack 1 year ago
@SamuraixJack yea true, dana white that asian hater said that the ufc buying out pride was to join the two and swap fighters but instead he shut down pride completely...some of the best fights were dream fighters against strikeforce fighters...the yakuza who own pride should of made dana white gone forever
FullBloodedHmoob 1 year ago
Why did Bas laugh at 1:30? :)
SinisterSkip 1 year ago
@SinisterSkip because that was awesome ^^
LazySisyphos 1 year ago
Go Musasi!!
TaeIeon 1 year ago
Dream is here to stay, its not like American ones, who no one knows about. MMA was MASSIVE in Japan long before the days of the ultimate fighter. The only reason Pride is gone is because the UFC bought it out. FEG has too much money in Japan. The sport it there to stay in Japan. It'd be like taking british premier out of britain, they'd still follow their local teams.
hiebs3 1 year ago
@hiebs3 Sorry buddy, but you're clueless when it comes to MMA in Japan. It will be no surprise if DREAM dies.
odus 1 year ago
@odus It seems YOUR the one who's clueless. DREAM has a 11,000 + people almost every event. you might want to do research before you talk crap.
SamuraixJack 1 year ago
@SamuraixJack LOL You clearly don't know shit about MMA in Japan. You think packing the arena is everything? Do you know how important TV ratings are in Japan? DREAM has been struggling to keep up with at least decent TV ratings ever since and they're going downhill right now. They relied mainly on KID, Sexyama, and Masato for high ratings, with the latter two no longer with them. MMA has been dying in Japan since 2006. Nobody in Japan cares about MMA anymore.
odus 1 year ago
@odus Once again, your only looking at DREAM. And if thats all your looking at, then your not really making any sense. DREAM still has MANY stars. Aoki pulls in crowds on his own, as well as Sakuraba, DESPITE the fact that he is quite old. And must we forget about the K-1 HW champion Kyotaro, as well as Yoshihiro Sato. When you add people like that, plus the other foreign stars like mousasi, manhoef, and your usual judo champs, mma in japan aint goin no where like i said.
SamuraixJack 1 year ago
@SamuraixJack Did you not read what I wrote? TV ratings in Japan are a HUGE FUCKING DEAL. I'm talking about Japan here, dumbass. Low TV ratings was one of the reasons PRIDE died. Aoki is not a big draw like Masato and KID, and neither is Saku due to his downfall. At the moment, the only fighters DREAM can rely on for ratings are Ishii and KID. Oh, DREAM and K-1 are two different attractions. K-1 has been lasting for a long time and still is. But MMA in Japan has been dying for the past 4 years.
odus 1 year ago
@odus did u not read what I wrote? i already understand that it is a huge fucking deal, but if it were really that big, DREAM, Sengoku, and every other mma org in Japan would be Defunct by now. as for pride, i thought it died because zuffa bought them?
in any event, i can agree that unless someone like kyotaro or some other star transfers over into mma, or unless there is another masato out there, japanese mma will die, but for now its still walking, barely, but still.
SamuraixJack 1 year ago
@SamuraixJack Sengoku is waiting till DREAM dies so they can become the face of MMA in Japan (even though they're a shit organization that nobody cares to attend). It was the yakuza scandal, lack of TV deal and low TV ratings that killed PRIDE. I don't believe Zuffa killed PRIDE. Sakikabara and the yakuza got the last laugh and fucked the UFC over when they bought PRIDE.
Fighters like KID and Ishii, and freakshows are the only way Japanese will tune in for MMA. Masato retiring K-1 hurt FEG big.
odus 1 year ago
Dream 16>UFC 119
philmasta88 1 year ago 2
first and ur mom
howartduck1 1 year ago
@howartduck1 ufc fanboy
FIGHTFANNERD3 1 year ago