When I asked Patton for clarification on this during the [1989 Bible-Science] conference, he stated that he had no degrees, but was about to receive a Ph.D. degree in geology, pending accreditation of QCU, which he assured me was "three days away." Many days have since passed, and Patton still has no valid degree in geology. Nor is the accreditation of QCU imminent. [4]
In some respects, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe. How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say, "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way." - Carl Sagan
@TheBlitMaster If god created the universe as written then he would have to be bigger then the universe. I have never thought as god as small. In my mind he has always been eternal and infinite. He is more wondrous then the universe itself. I don't think Carl wanted to believe in a big God himself. It seems that God was always a small thing, not the creator of the heavens and earth.
@Undeterminable "In my mind he has always been eternal and infinite. He is more wondrous then the universe itself" Quite right - 'In your mind'!
You can make god out to be anything you want - all religions do! That's why they survive god is always modified by the current generation to fit the current culture!
Until there is some real evidence for the existence of any god - ALL gods are imaginary.
If thinking there is a god makes you feel happy good luck - doesn't make it true though.
@Undeterminable By little God, he means in accomplishments, intelligence and abilities, Creationism is a simple-minded approach only a simple-minded deity would prefer over evolution. Had you one clue about the universe you would immediately drop your pathetic holy book and look for a much grander deity, Russel's Teapot is always accepting followers this time of year.
@TheBlitMaster The universe is so grand and intelligent and God is grander and more intelligent to have created them. I trust in the word of man and God alike.
@TheBlitMaster Right. You trust the words of this testimony. So do I. The God of the bible confirms this same statement when he says that I created the heavens and the earth. The heavens are anything above the earth. That would include any other intelligent universes.
@Undeterminable "The heavens are anything above the earth. That would include any other intelligent universes.", There is no above, we're in the 4th dimension remember? Or did you skip that class just like Donald here skipped highschool Biology, Astronomy and History? You can point towards any direction you want, you still won't find anything above Terra. The Heavens are the skies, once you leave Terra's atmosphere, you leave the Heavens.
@TheBlitMaster If we are in the 4th dimension then we understand that there is dimensions below. If there is dimensions below there is a possibly that there are dimensions above.
heavens:
celestial sphere: the apparent surface of the imaginary sphere on which celestial bodies appear to be projected
ce·les·tial:
Positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy
Once you understand the meaning of words you will understand the bible much clearer.
@TheBlitMaster Thank you for being so honest with me. I love you and because of this I will be honest with you and tell the truth as I know it. I'm sorry if anything that I say offends your belief's I just want to be honest with you as any good friend would be. Please forgive me if I do make you offended.
@TheBlitMaster Since you are so fond of scripture and Isaiah you will recall:
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of his great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing.
Here he is saying that the stars are in heaven. He says look to the heavens where he brings out the stars.
@Undeterminable "God is grander and more intelligent to have created them" You said this to Bilt.
As you say you have no evidence, because the supernatural has none, then your claim for understanding what this god is and what he can do is completely bogus. I have yet to meet anyone who can support any claim for what their god is or what it can or cannot do.
You WANT to believe in a god so you gladly accept without question whichever flavor of religion suits your need or your indoctrination.
@TheBlitMaster [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
@Undeterminable So, Isaiah said the earth is a circle covered with a hemispherical firmament of water called sky? I think you should tell YHWH and his followers to finish grade school before he creates another universe. Terra is in the shape of an imperfect oblate spheroid, and has no firmament, nor is the sky made of water.
@TheBlitMaster In the Abrahamic scripture God is the God of everything. This is why it talks about the bad and the good. For everything there is a season, a time for every activity under heaven.
@Undeterminable "In the Abrahamic scripture God is the God of everything. This is why it talks about the bad and the good. For everything there is a season, a time for every activity under heaven." Yeah, whatever. Skip the bullshit and get to the point.
@Undeterminable Cool, he created Terra and it's sky. I did that in UDK a couple minutes ago. If that's it, the creator is merely a dumbass who needs to finish school before trying to make another video game. Maybe that's why he supports slavery, incest, abortion, infanticide, genocide, mass murder, pedophilia, child abuse, spousal abuse, and more. You should probably get a new God before Thor nails him to another stick. Besides, Vishnu created infinite universes, YHWH's got nothing on that.
@TheBlitMaster You would only do those to people you hate, your enemy's. Jesus says Love your enemies and do good to them. You are taking the old testament out of context. If you hate the God of the old testament you are hating the God of the Jews and you are insulting the God of the Jews and practising Anti-Semitism. If you have anything against this God you should take it to them.
@Undeterminable Jesus also endorsed abuse of slaves in Ephesians, 1st Timothy, and Luke and child abuse in Mark, Romans and Matthews. I'm not taking the Old Testament out of context, nor the New. There is no context where slavery, rape, abuse, infanticide, genocide etc. are okay. So, since the bible endorses them, the book is immoral, context doesn't mean anything here bub.
@TheBlitMaster Jesus never endorses any of these things but does say that if you are in slavery to honour your master. The bible talks about these things but does not endorse them. Example Do not kill. Treat other how you would like to be treated. If you just look at these passages you will not understand the whole context of the bible.
All those things you speak of still happen today. You would talk about the events of the world even though they weren't endorsed, to be historcially accurate.
@Undeterminable "Jesus never endorses any of these things but does say that if you are in slavery to honour your master.", maybe you should look up the definition for endorsement, "Do not kill.", Unless of course your sky daddy commands it"Treat other how you would like to be treated.", Stolen from the Greeks. "All those things you speak of still happen today.", hmm, yeah, I wonder why? Surely it can't be the fact that their Holy Books says endorses it?
@TheBlitMaster en·dorse·ment: An act of giving one's public approval or support to someone or something. Jesus is not supporting slavery here but he is saying if you are in slavery which most people would sale themselves to pay of debt then to honor your master. He is not saying that slavery is good. The Golden Rule: One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself. This is the golden rule of God. Read the book from start to finish like I have and you will understand the context
@Undeterminable Yes he is, he's saying slavery is okay, this is giving approval of it, plus, if Jesus is God like you say he is, Jesus definitely supports slavery. "The Golden Rule: One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.", It was is Greek Philosophy for Centuries before Jesus' supposed birth. I've read the bible 23 times in multiple languages. Is that better?
@TheBlitMaster If he was saying that it was alright why would the golden rule be One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself. He is not approving it merely stating that you should honor your master. No where does he say to the slave masters its ok to have slaves. He is talking to those who are slaves and can't get out of it. Those who are stuck in slavery he is giving advice to. The scriptures speak for themselves.
@TheBlitMaster Right. It it was in philosophy but it hadn't become a rule of God. Jesus made it a rule. I'm glad that you have read it so many times. You must have found it so profound and interesting that you have spent so much time studying it. Your much more devoted to the bible then most Christians. All you need now is for the holy spirit to come into your life :)
@Undeterminable According to the bible, he created the heavens (sky), Light the Stars, life, and Terra. But where does it say he created antimatter, dark energy, and all the other planets? If he's truly the daddy of the universe, then who's the mom that created everything he forgot to create in the bible?
@TheBlitMaster Jesus also said to love your enemies. You would not do awful things to people unless you hated them and they were your enemies. Jesus said But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
@Undeterminable Plus, if there are other Universes, humans wouldn't be the only sentient species, in fact. By that decree, humans would be one of the dumbest sentient species as well. So much for YHWH's greatest creation.
@TheBlitMaster Your make allot of assumptions for a guy that likes to stick to things that are scientific. The bible says that we are made in the image of God. We are not God ourselves. God is the highest being. He is the greatest not us.
No one will make fun of you for changing your opinion from belief in evolution to disbelief once you know the evidence. In fact, we'll gladly welcome you back to reality. Just keep an open mind people, at least admit that evolution isn't proven.
@Naytardo "Just keep an open mind people, at least admit that evolution isn't proven" Evolution is proven. All the evidence fits the theory. There is no other theory that matches all the facts. I do have an open mind. You show me another theory that explains all the evidence and I will be happy to consider it. So far there is none!
@earlysda "Remember tho, that it is just a theory, one that is constantly "evolving" ;)"
Yes a theory like gravity and electricity and other scientific theories that are constantly being 'refined' as new evidence provides more insight into how the universe works.
Learning and moving on - not stuck in the dark ages of biblical guesswork.
@mtbee9 The lack of another scientific theory that attempts to explain all the facts doesn't prove evolution, it only points to design. No one thinks that evolution occurred unless they are taught only one side, everyone instinctively sees design in nature. It's just intuitive to believe in design, and since there is no other explanation that works, since evolution has a zillion problems, I'll stick with design.
@Naytardo " instinctively sees design in nature" Yes it is part of human survival of pattern recognition to see faces in rocks, or animals in clouds. However these are just similarities that our brains recognize. The rocks and clouds are not designed.
"It's just intuitive to believe in design" Why, because people don't want to die they think that wishing that there is an afterlife that it will make it true, or to hope there is a master planner or you life has no purpose. Pretty sad.
@mtbee9 Here's my question to you: Is it more likely that this intuition somehow evolved from a molten rock 4 billion years ago, or that a creator who wants us to learn of itself created this intuition in us? And just to be sure, no one knows how this could have evolved. They can say how it would be selected for once present, but they can't come close to giving any scientific explanation as to how it came about in the first place.
@Naytardo " Is it more likely that ... somehow evolved from a molten rock 4 BY ago" Well not when it was molten it had to cool before life could start. Certainly more likely than some magic being invisibly and undetectably did it.
"no one knows how this could have evolved" While we don't know exactly how it happened all the evidence points to life starting and then evolving. Life is made of chemicals and these chemicals were on Earth prior to life starting. No reason to imagine a god to do it.
@Undeterminable "We have a witness in the bible saying God created the heavens and the earth" LOL what! A witness of god saying it? Who and where?
Now of course anybody can 'say' that god visited them and told them how he did things - this is normally referred to as hallucination, unless of course they have some actual proof!
@mtbee9 Science will never verify the super natural because science is confined to the natural word. If you don't trust my words then how will you ever trust any other man's word no matter what he has experienced in the super natural. There is evidence of a super natural experience in which some truths have been revealed to a person and recorded.
@Undeterminable "Science will never verify the super natural" True, for then it would be no longer super natural if it had evidence or could be detected in some way.
"If you don't trust my words" No I don't. How do I know they are true? Just because someone claims there is a god doesn't mean there is one. Some claim the Earth is 6000 y old there is evidence and proof this is wrong, so there claim is bogus.
@Undeterminable " There is evidence of a super natural experience in which some truths have been revealed to a person and recorded."
No there isn't.
What truths and how do you know they are truths?
They only claim to have been revealed - could have been a dream or hallucination.
Recorded words and stories can easily be written incorrectly, lies on purpose, distorted versions of the actual story or mistranslated from the original.
@mtbee9 If god created the heavens and the earth then they all are designed by him. The rocks are designed to keep the earth firm and retain heat and the clouds to keep it moist and fertile. All have been designed for a purpose needed for life.
@Undeterminable I agree totally: "If god created the heavens and the earth". That's one mighty big "IF"
I suggest you look at all of the religions in the world both past and present and determine which one is true - based on the evidence of each. Don't just accept your chosen religion because of indoctrination! Only real evidence can determine which guess, if any, is right and will most likely show they are ALL wrong as none are built on evidence, simply old stories which nobody can verify.
@mtbee9 Well there is verification there. I am not religious but I am about freedom. If somebody chooses to be religious I think they have the right not to be persecuted because of there faith. There is evidence there if you are willing to listen to it and see it.
Talking of fossils being dug up, how many millions of years old is the emancipated organism who is giving the talk here?
If there is anything that supports evolution (and destroys creationistism) beyond any shadow of a doubt it is the actual sequence of the fossil record which has become substantial since Darwin's time. NO amount of lying & misinformation from dinos such as this bloke is going to change the minds of the scientific community.
@pilgrimpater All of his information is from evolutionists, so nice try but I'm going to listen to Gould's admissions about the lack of fossil evidence. Punctuated equilibrium is Gould's solution to this major problem, a solution that take a lot of faith in my opinion.
@Naytardo The info may well be from Evolutionists but as usual quote mined/ taken out of context (Darwin & the eye complexity are classic examples). How do you explain that the people who actually DO the work (e.g. Gould) are(were) still evolutionists & didn't throw their arms in the air exalting creationistism? They don't of course. PE is not a problem for Evolution. It IS still evolution but just stating change doesn't occur at a steady & consistent rate. So, why is PE not Evolution?
People are saying that this guy is misrepresenting evolution believers and he probably is. Many people who don't believe in Christ and God have a misrepresentation of those beliefs as well. Perception is a very important thing in our lives. Your reality doesn't determine your perception, your perception determines your reality. Truth doesn't require belief in order for it to be true. Evidence in our fossil record is a problem for both beliefs, evolution more then creationism.
Many failed theories grasp at state support of their dogmas in their death throes. Evolution is in that phase now. Wonder what nonsense will be latched onto next? ;)
@earlysda "Many failed theories grasp at state support of their dogmas in their death throes"
LOL thats a good one. Evolution theory is growing by leaps and bounds and is reinforced by the evidence at every step. Nothing has come close to disproving it, falsifying it or providing another explanation that fits the facts. I would be interested if you could disprove, falsify or come up with another theory to replace it. Goos luck!
@brospec Even if that's true, his arguments in this video are based on what evolutionists have said. I don't care who's speaking, if it's truth I'll listen.
@Naytardo "Even if that's true, his arguments in this video are based on what evolutionists have said" Try actually reading some basic science rather than listening to another creationist conartist. Why mindlessly accept as truth the statement of someone who lies about their qualifications?
@brospec I don't mindlessly accept anything, that is why I'm not an evolutionist. I don't believe that most evolutionists mindlessly accept evolution, but that they dismiss all counter-evidence and therefore believe in it. Basic science tells me that evolution is impossible. Take the second law of thermodynamics for example. Evolutionists have faith that some unknown law can overcome this, and claim that the sun's energy solves it. But energy does not decrease entropy. Only design does that.
@Naytardo "Take the second law of thermodynamics for example. Evolutionists have faith that some unknown law can overcome this, and claim that the sun's energy solves it." What a load of utter bullshit. Get a high school science text book & get the nearest 15 year old to explain it to you - stop wallowing in your smug ignorance & learn some basic science
@Naytardo "Take the second law of thermodynamics for example. Evolutionists have faith that some unknown law can overcome this" Looks like you've been reading creationist lies. Nothing in Evolution goes against the second law of thermodynamics. Thats creationists pulling the wool over your eyes.
"Only design does that." OK explain how design doesn't have the same problems that you think evolution has!
@mtbee9 Evolution requires a decrease in entropy, which doesn't happen naturally, looks like you've been reading evolutionist lies, and I don't blame you for believing those lies, because accepting the truth would destroy evolution. And please tell me a problem that design has in common with evolution, I'm not really sure what you mean by that.
@mtbee9 Obviously he's biased... so are you, so am I. He's using quotes from biased evolutionists to make his arguments, so his bias actually plays a small role.
@Naytardo "He's using quotes from biased evolutionists to make his arguments" Agreed everyone has a bias but the fossil evidence does not support creationism - If so how? The cambrian explosion (which lasted at least 30 MY) is supported by evolution - there is nothing to indicate any creation force involved.
He also starts with saying that evolution is nothing without fossils, that too is wrong. The fossils support all the other evidence for evolution. It's not just the fossils! He's wrong!
Truth is folks...I dont care what your title is. Football/baseball players lie
and cheat. Politicians as well. So do scientists....in fact they do it quite often.
A title or a degree does not mean dog shit. Facts still over ride hypothesis and
theory no matter how much you dont like it. Patton is only telling you what your
evolutionist heros are saying. The ad hom attacks and character assasinations aren't and never wil help your cause. People are waking up and the days of
@3gdosrsfs Amen. Do you have the free gift of God?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Find the love of God here.
Audio, Gospel of John Chapter 1 AV h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=Ao4uaIjd3xs
@3gdosrsfs "Patton is only telling you what ... evolutionist .. are saying"
Nope, he is misrepresenting Evolution by quote mining certain sentences and then pulling out words to make them mean something different. A totally dishonest and deceptive tactic, unfortunately very common among ALL creationists. They can never argue the facts directly because they know they would lose!
@AtheistGuitar For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Find the love of God here.
Audio, Gospel of John Chapter 1 AV h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=Ao4uaIjd3xs
LOL! This is the best you real liars can do...dont' dispute indiputible facts...lets character assasinate. The same crap with Hovind. Yeahs a tax cheat but he and Patton kick your sorry dying religous evolutionists every time. You are not even willing to debate either of them because they have the truth on their side and you have at best theory. You cowards! The only hope you have of saving your lies is silencing those who are really telling the truth. So funny.Talk origins LOL!
@3gdosrsfs "You are not even willing to debate either of them because they have the truth on their side and you have at best theory"
Look up the definition for the word "theory" vs "hypothesis". Evolution isnt a hypothesis. its a theory, just like gravity. are you suggesting that you will deny gravity if these people told you to?
@AtheistGuitar Wow evolution is nothing like gravity. I can test gravity. I have no evidence against gravity. Evolution is a philosophy, a failing and flailing philosophy.
@Naytardo You are such a twit. You can observe the effects of gravity (eg things "fall") the same way that you can observe the effect of evolution (eg plants developing inheritable glyphosate resistance).The theory of gravitation if totally different to the effect of gravity....its includes hypotheses (eg the hypotheticical particle the graviton) experimental evidence (eg on frame drag) etc etc. Your understanding of basic science is appalling. God does not command you to be willfully ignorant
@Ichthyologist94 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6:7,8
Wow another video with a lot of quotes from articles written between 1970 and 1990... So modern conclusions.... Oh wait when does the genetic science appear to be really a well known ...after 1995... Ok I can understand why this video is so poor in relevant informations about Evolution...
Come on creationists, you can just play with words all the times! To get your conclusion you should have at least a good thesis to be experiment... Life from the poop of the sky and woman froma rib...No?
@MattleSystem Creationists are very interested in real science, not science fiction.
All evolutionists have is hot air on the mostly anonymous Internet. We have the real science backed up by the $10,000 Life Science Prize. You can evolve from a chicken and win the prize or make cowardly remarks on websites until you ultimately die and become a creationists after it's too late. My last remark to you is something that everyone understands: CLUCK, CLUCK
@BereanBeacon1 What do you mean by real science? Wizards and Zombies attack? Bible text is your only arguments to claim "God did it, it is written there"... But as we know light of the sun should have been there before planets... Woman are not from ribs and man from dust...
Genetic proved aleady that we are all made from molecules producted in the center of stars... At the beginning there was only Hydrogen, the simplest element! Stars made us, not god! Or god did it and left quickly!
@MattleSystem Try something new and leave God out of the discussion (of course he did it) and look at real science. Evolution hasn't proved anything using real science. "Stars made us," is not real science and you wouldn't dare use that in a public debate.
@BereanBeacon1 Why not? In star you have nuclear reactions! The first reaction in the combination of two hydrogen to give the helium... Then with the time and the pressure you increase the nuclear reaction and the number of combinations. you get heavier element, Oxygen, Carbon, Iron, etc... So why should I keep this as non real science! it is your sun, you can see it everyday!
leave god out of discussion? How can you do it yourself for your real science? Without god, you have nothing!
@MattleSystem Without God, there is no Absolute Truth, and science wouldn't be able to reveal Truth, which therefore works counterproductive for you. Without God there is no Absolute Morality, and so, raping someone is not really "evil", only socially unacceptable. Without God there is no Cause for the Universe. The fast majority of scientists - evolutionists and creationists alike - understand that the Universe had a beginning and therefore a cause. So, without God, we all have nothing!
@EOCYEC God's Morality??? Take a look to my playlist called "Religion in Trouble" the first video is about the first cause argument and the second one about God's order to please Himself...
For the rest, it would be to hard for you to discover the reality of religion...
@EOCYEC Funny to say without god, there is no evil.... Actually your are right here because if God created everything in the universe, he created also Satan and the Hell!!!
And christians claim that He tries to keep you away from the Devil, but why should he care? They work together, One celebrates the believers and the other burns the athieist in hell...
@BereanBeacon1 Apparently you are 70... Come on guy, during your retirement get some good books before going six feet under...
You are still stuck in the past! And if you believe in Creation, you are even stuck far away from now... But don't worry! Dead as a believer or dead as an atheist, you are still a dead. The only thing you left behind his your souvenirs...
What will you leave to your family, your friends? Will you die with happyness because you live as you wanted or not?
Anyway, real science when you put God as the only reason for your theory is just laughable... Sorry! I can do the same and say "Evolution is wrong, Umpa Lumpa did it with some chocolate bars and candys in one hour"
I have some evidence, it is written just here... And some reliable element, chocolate is real, candys are real...women have some milk... For the umpa lumpa, you have to believe and you will get the answer, you will see the TRUTH in your heart...
@MattleSystem There are too many problems with the evidence for biological macro-evolution. The evidence is either evidence for micro-evolution, is fake, or ony half-true.
Besides, how can you speak about "truth"? From an atheistic standpoint, truth is just relative, and so everybody could have his own "truth". therefore, it's quite hypocritical of you to speak about truth.
@EOCYEC Hello, so you blocked your entire page or just me. Because I tried to reply to your FAQ comments, and explain you why salt on Mars is not an evidence for hydroplate theory... Should I really?? No...
Debate offer "do with science and avoid religion" but 2/3 of the FAQ answers are related to GOD, Bible verses...
Archeopteryx is not classified as a bird.
Origin of Eve, he is dealing with DNA, but nothing about rib, he avoided Bible here for unique reason. it is stupid to believe it.
@EOCYEC Speed of light, the accuracy of measurement changed over the time and passed from about 300000km/s to the exact value today... Nothing related to a supposed decrease of speed.
Experiment showed relative greater light speed than the light speed itself, but it is a relative speed, related to referential you are using.
Unexpected asteroid or Oort clouds are nothing to do with evolution or Noah'Ark story, but for creationists for sure it is important...but why?it is out of topic
@MattleSystem What you wrote is in the Bible. Eat, drink and be merry for we are all going to die but that is for those who don't have the free gift of God. I have the free gift and no fear because I know at death, I will be with my Lord Jesus Christ. Oh, I have the only book that really matters, the Bible that has the words of life.
I suggest you listen to this and perhaps God will show you what you need.
Gospel of John Chapter 1 AV
h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=Ao4uaIjd3xs
@BereanBeacon1 I don't fear death, I am afraid about all you can have before...death is the conclusion, the end point.
After you are with your Lord, I am with superman and santa Claus. Where is the difference?
Bible has the words of life... do you mean Sodom and Gomorra? The great Flood, the 42 children, the only daughter and all the rest for your lovely god... Oh yeah I know all this crap.
You just choose what you want... Ithe rest you just admit God is the Judge and is always right
@MattleSystem And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 1:14-15
@BereanBeacon1 This was marked as "spam", so here it's back:
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 1:14-15 " - By Berean Beacon
@MattleSystem If you're interested in creation scientific info regarding genetic science, take a look at this:
youtube*DOT*com/watch?v=r7szPN6zGKU
Also, Berean Beacon's worldview already let's him win from you: What is the basis for your use of logic? You need intelligence for that. If you're the result of chance only, how then, can you trust your own thoughts? Simply be using arguments you prove Berean Beacon's world view. A lot of philosophers would recognise this
@EOCYEC The problem with your "chance" is that it is not valid if you consider only one chance to win the lottery concept... Because Evolution is not working like that at all, if you read a bit more...Evolution is a step by step gradation of good or beneficial element to a population. If this is good enough it is spread, but this does not mean that one day, the baby born with some wings or some lungs complete...
You don't need intelligence, just survival instinct.
@EOCYEC And what kind of intelligence do you need?? God? Where did you get this idea that he is intelligent... I mean nothing is written about his intelligence and nothing in his supposed words is really intelligent... So you should redefine the word intelligence and also redefine god.
The problem with the complexcity, is that you need something more complex. Therefore the more complex needs also intelligence based on your idea. Etc etc... problem unsolved
Patton has claimed Ph.D. candidacy in geology from "Queensland Christian University" in Australia. According to Glen Kuban: When I asked Patton for clarification on this during the [1989 Bible-Science] conference, he stated that he had no degrees, but was about to receive a Ph.D. degree in geology, pending accreditation of QCU, which he assured me was "three days away." Many days have since passed, and Patton still has no valid degree in geology. Nor is the accreditation of QCU imminent.
@Aarbutusfigeroa ~Berean Beacon has learned. He now censors video posts to his videos. See: Mathematic Disproof of YEC" and "Noah's Flood: Mathematically Impossible."
He skips over the part about no land animals in existence until the Devonian period and no mammals evolved until the Triassic. Kinda puts a crimp in that six days of creation "theory" doesn't it? The fact is, they are finding Precambrian precursors to organisms with bony skeletons now. Guess why they are not well preserved in the fossil record?
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10,11
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10,11
Evilathiest I mean evolutionist are funny. " we believed that yesterday but since you made us look stupid we don't believe that today so heres another fairytale.
Evilathiest I mean evolutionist are funny. " we believed that yesterday but since you made us look stupid we don't believe that today so heres another fairytale.
My suggestion. If you creationists want to disprove the scientific explanation for the origins of this universe, planet and species why not use the scientific method. Good luck, I look forward to reading your peer reviewed studies. No not pew reviewed.
@petephuduh That "liar" is speaking to a live audience. He is looking into many eyes, as good speakers do. He is using accepted scientific models, as good scientists do. An honest person claiming knowledge of science should have no trouble simply listening to his reasoning, and seeing plainly that he is quoting leading evolutionists in his debates ...the ones you love to believe. One looking at the order and co-depent systems of the universe and says "random" has no excuse.
@demcdoug no real scientist would dare make these unsupported allegations. his overblown deceptive arguments can be systematically addressed by real scientists at talkorigins org if you care to educate yourself.
Don Patton is not a doctor. His education is from an un-acredited bible school. And FYI, no real scientist goes around labeling themselves "doctor" or "PhD" on their popular publications. Check out the science section in any bookstore; you won't see Richard Dawkins Ph.D., or Stephen Hawking Ph.D. on a book's cover. It would be an argument from authority. And it's redundant to put both Dr. and Ph.D. in the video's title; they're the same thing.
@dudev When you can't attack the argument, attack the man. Nothing but unsubstantiated declarations in the negative view on this thread. Haven't seen a single scientific argument, only a bunch of slander. Speaks volumes.
I'll happily attack both the man and his arguments. He made the classic blunder about ontogeny & phylogeny. Yes, early, 20th century biologists erroneously thought that ALL stages were recapitulated. However, it is partly true, but sadly creationists see everything in black & white. The fact is that developmental stages are evidence of evolution, they just don't go in a straight succession. What's "dead as a doornail" is the idea that everything is preserved like a slide show.
@dudev I think the lack of stasis only makes erroneous hypothesis of evolutionary science the more inevitable. The question I can't ignore is, "how did this co-dependent order originate if there is no Creator?" Bio-genesis is a sound principle, no? Non-linearity is an unnecessary conclusion, but one that supports what some hope to find, since the fossil record failed to support Darwin. Quoting evolutionists is tricky. It's hard to keep up with the churn, as one theory replaces the last.
You know nothing of the fossil record if you think it doesn't support evolution. I'm speaking of the modern fossil record, not the 19th century 'version'. Example, biogeography -- the fossilized creatures found are often vastly different than the currently existing ones, which are not found in the older rock layers. So is this god creator continually creating new species? And explain the creator's existence. Did he spontaneously come into being? Sounds circular to me.
@dudev Gould (Harvard) didn't pass away that long ago. He confirmed that all modern phyla were present during the pre-cambrian "explosion" and there are no new phyla today. I'm not certain how significant your "species" observations are, but nobody is arguing that environments haven't changed dramatically nor "species" ability to adapt. If Gould was correct, what we are observing in the fossils is the 2nd law of thermodynamics ...not progression.
look at all these atheists commenting in the negative on this. firstly accept some truth, secondly he is qouting atheist scientists works and statments not his own you dumb fools.
"Therefor, with true freedoms being rightful, any law which causes having to give up freedoms, is in itself wrong."
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- Really? Well what about laws prohibiting the manufacture of shitty goods? Or what companies can use as materials, what about laws prohibiting what people can use at home, restricting drugs or weapons they can posses. They remove certain rights and freedoms from others, to guarantee the rights and freedoms of others will not be infringed.
"Atheistic leaders are responsible for the murder of more than 100 million people in the 20th century alone-Hitler,Stalin,Pol Pot,Mao Tse-Tung"
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-First of all,hitler was a christian and made many references to god in mein kampf.He also in 1933 promised to stomp down any atheist movement. Also, the other leaders did not do their actions because they were atheists.They did so in the name of crackpot ideologies.Their oppression is the opposite of the free thinking ideology atheists support.
-This claim is without merit. Nazis murdered in the name of pure German blood, Stalin killed in the same of the people, and the Japanese in wwII killed in the name of Japanese honor. Now, can you explain how someone can kill in the name that there is no higher power? Can you find anything suggesting they did so?
-"What are you talking about with regard to Richard Dawkins?"
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-I pointed out that the guy who brought up this video quote mined dawkins to make it look like he supported creationism. I pointed out that it was from a pro evolution video and therefore essentially a lie to argue that dawkins supports evolution. You disagreed and said "No, it's to show that there's no evidence for Evolutionism. "
"he loves his perverted lifestyle and doesnt want to be held accountable by God"
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-Well first,evolution has nothing to do with atheism,70%of evolutionary biologists are theists,and most of them are christian. Second,it is ironic that atheists behave themselves more and follow laws and rules.This is evident by the fact atheists make up 10%of the American population but less then 0.2%of the prison population.This is likely because they realize their beliefs do no exempt them from their actions.
"That's a complete lie. If atheists don't believe in evolution then how do they think we got here?"
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- The same way old earth creationists do, except they put a big question mark at what caused the big bang. The majority of Christians think that the big bang happened 13.7 bya, life arose on earth either by abiogenesis or divine intervention, life diversified and developed by evolution, and then you have civilization. Some Christians think god is in control of evolution.
"What a bunch of bologna. Anybody can make up statistics."
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-according to the Appendix: 1997 Federal Bureau of Prisons from Denise Golumbaski, atheists make up 0.209% of the prison population. Also, the higher the atheist population in a region, (typically) the less the crime. Dont spout the "20%" study as I keep hearing, in that study they put atheists, agnostics, undecideds, and 'gave no answer' all in one group.
"If there is no god to tell what is right or wrong, you decide for yourself. "
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-No, not really. Atheists realise that they live in something called a SOCIETY, and as part of that society they have to give up some of their freedoms in something called LAWS to keep the society well functioning. You do not see atheists going around killing people saying "there is no god so you can do whatever you want", now, switch that over to theists who argue that god is on their side.....
{they have to give up some of their freedoms in something called LAWS}
That statement from you, proves correct the statement that you're arguing against. "Freedoms" or "rights" are truly that, only if they are "rightful" freedoms. In other words, you don't have the right to do wrong within society. Therefor, with true freedoms being rightful, any law which causes having to give up freedoms, is in itself wrong. Thus, should not be law. In the US, the first and highest laws forbid denying freedom
Your statement mentioned "freedoms". That, inevitably, ultimately means the Constitution. In turn, that leads us the the persons whom created it. They, made it clear that their knowledge which went into creating the Constitution, was based on what they knew about God. You were incorrect, regarding freedoms & laws and you "decided for yourself". You were lacking the proper guidance for knowing correctly. Exactly as Dr. Patton stated
"That, inevitably, ultimately means the Constitution."
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-The constitution has taken away freedoms before, you remember the prohibition? What about the 11 amendment? They take away certain rights that help make society better.
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-"They, made it clear that their knowledge which went into creating the Constitution, was based on what they knew about God."
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-The constitution has nothing to do with god, in fact, the first amendment says that the government will have NOTHING to do with religion.
"You were lacking the proper guidance for knowing correctly."
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-You dont know what proper guidance is. You follow a book that says its okay to kill hundreds of thousands of people, even kill defenseless children and sacrifice virgins as long as god tells you its okay. Seriously, the bible has a pretty low moral standard. The golden rule for me is to see if the action I will do will allow for the betterment of society, such as living conditions and riding the world of poverty.
"No, it's to show that there's no evidence for Evolutionism. "
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-The fact you are defending his argument that a university professor, non-believer, and strong, STRONG outspoken supporter of evolution as someone that supports creation is evidence that you are a retard. Watch the video he quote mined, its a pro-evolution video, I have it on my computer. Here is some "evidence" there is no god
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-"People who believe in god are unintelligent, you have small minds, you dont think"
How is this crap? He has made some amazing discoveries that prove man coexisted with dinosaurs and pointed out how flawed the current dating processes are. If you can't believe in facts then your just too damn stubborn.
More quote mining to the right. I have Gould's "Wonderful Life" and that really just seems so dishonest with what you are trying to push. And just more ignorance all the way around. Too bad I can't give it a negative number.
Sure seems like it's out of the Dark Ages and not the 21st Century. Or maybe they're trying to drag us back to that time. Break out your sackcloth and ashes. Are you ready to give up your rights as a woman? That is the future under this mindset.
The Cambrian explosion is not the beginning of the fossil record. It is not the start as he describes it.
A geological moment is a long time.
The major phyla may have existed at that time, but there were no fish, no amphibians, no reptiles, no birds, dinosaurs or mammals.
Houses aren't built by genes and sexual reproduction.
Is he suggesting that god gave the fern 480 chromosomes compared to only 46 for his chosen ones. This makes a lot more sense from an evolutionary stand point.
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odinata 3 weeks ago
This clown is hilarious! (and lying for jebus)
Relloq 1 month ago
In some respects, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe. How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say, "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way." - Carl Sagan
TheBlitMaster 1 month ago
@TheBlitMaster If god created the universe as written then he would have to be bigger then the universe. I have never thought as god as small. In my mind he has always been eternal and infinite. He is more wondrous then the universe itself. I don't think Carl wanted to believe in a big God himself. It seems that God was always a small thing, not the creator of the heavens and earth.
Undeterminable 3 days ago in playlist Dr. Don Patton's Play List
@Undeterminable "In my mind he has always been eternal and infinite. He is more wondrous then the universe itself" Quite right - 'In your mind'!
You can make god out to be anything you want - all religions do! That's why they survive god is always modified by the current generation to fit the current culture!
Until there is some real evidence for the existence of any god - ALL gods are imaginary.
If thinking there is a god makes you feel happy good luck - doesn't make it true though.
mtbee9 3 days ago
@Undeterminable By little God, he means in accomplishments, intelligence and abilities, Creationism is a simple-minded approach only a simple-minded deity would prefer over evolution. Had you one clue about the universe you would immediately drop your pathetic holy book and look for a much grander deity, Russel's Teapot is always accepting followers this time of year.
TheBlitMaster 2 days ago
@TheBlitMaster The universe is so grand and intelligent and God is grander and more intelligent to have created them. I trust in the word of man and God alike.
Undeterminable 13 hours ago
@Undeterminable Vishnu created many more grand, intelligent universes.
Vishnu > YHWH
TheBlitMaster 12 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster Right. You trust the words of this testimony. So do I. The God of the bible confirms this same statement when he says that I created the heavens and the earth. The heavens are anything above the earth. That would include any other intelligent universes.
Undeterminable 12 hours ago
@Undeterminable "The heavens are anything above the earth. That would include any other intelligent universes.", There is no above, we're in the 4th dimension remember? Or did you skip that class just like Donald here skipped highschool Biology, Astronomy and History? You can point towards any direction you want, you still won't find anything above Terra. The Heavens are the skies, once you leave Terra's atmosphere, you leave the Heavens.
TheBlitMaster 11 hours ago
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@TheBlitMaster If we are in the 4th dimension then we understand that there is dimensions below. If there is dimensions below there is a possibly that there are dimensions above.
heavens:
celestial sphere: the apparent surface of the imaginary sphere on which celestial bodies appear to be projected
ce·les·tial:
Positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy
Once you understand the meaning of words you will understand the bible much clearer.
Undeterminable 11 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster Thank you for being so honest with me. I love you and because of this I will be honest with you and tell the truth as I know it. I'm sorry if anything that I say offends your belief's I just want to be honest with you as any good friend would be. Please forgive me if I do make you offended.
Undeterminable 11 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster Since you are so fond of scripture and Isaiah you will recall:
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of his great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing.
Here he is saying that the stars are in heaven. He says look to the heavens where he brings out the stars.
Undeterminable 11 hours ago
@Undeterminable "God is grander and more intelligent to have created them" You said this to Bilt.
As you say you have no evidence, because the supernatural has none, then your claim for understanding what this god is and what he can do is completely bogus. I have yet to meet anyone who can support any claim for what their god is or what it can or cannot do.
You WANT to believe in a god so you gladly accept without question whichever flavor of religion suits your need or your indoctrination.
mtbee9 3 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
- Isaiah 40:22
Undeterminable 3 days ago in playlist Dr. Don Patton's Play List
@Undeterminable So, Isaiah said the earth is a circle covered with a hemispherical firmament of water called sky? I think you should tell YHWH and his followers to finish grade school before he creates another universe. Terra is in the shape of an imperfect oblate spheroid, and has no firmament, nor is the sky made of water.
TheBlitMaster 2 days ago
@TheBlitMaster What are the exact words of scripture? Are you taking these words out of context?
Undeterminable 13 hours ago
@Undeterminable On what? Vishnu creating the multiverse in the Vedic scripture, or YHWH being a douche in the Abrahamic scripture?
TheBlitMaster 13 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster In the Abrahamic scripture God is the God of everything. This is why it talks about the bad and the good. For everything there is a season, a time for every activity under heaven.
Undeterminable 12 hours ago
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@Undeterminable "In the Abrahamic scripture God is the God of everything. This is why it talks about the bad and the good. For everything there is a season, a time for every activity under heaven." Yeah, whatever. Skip the bullshit and get to the point.
TheBlitMaster 12 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1
Undeterminable 3 days ago in playlist Dr. Don Patton's Play List
@Undeterminable Cool, he created Terra and it's sky. I did that in UDK a couple minutes ago. If that's it, the creator is merely a dumbass who needs to finish school before trying to make another video game. Maybe that's why he supports slavery, incest, abortion, infanticide, genocide, mass murder, pedophilia, child abuse, spousal abuse, and more. You should probably get a new God before Thor nails him to another stick. Besides, Vishnu created infinite universes, YHWH's got nothing on that.
TheBlitMaster 2 days ago
@TheBlitMaster You would only do those to people you hate, your enemy's. Jesus says Love your enemies and do good to them. You are taking the old testament out of context. If you hate the God of the old testament you are hating the God of the Jews and you are insulting the God of the Jews and practising Anti-Semitism. If you have anything against this God you should take it to them.
Undeterminable 13 hours ago
@Undeterminable Jesus also endorsed abuse of slaves in Ephesians, 1st Timothy, and Luke and child abuse in Mark, Romans and Matthews. I'm not taking the Old Testament out of context, nor the New. There is no context where slavery, rape, abuse, infanticide, genocide etc. are okay. So, since the bible endorses them, the book is immoral, context doesn't mean anything here bub.
TheBlitMaster 13 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster Jesus never endorses any of these things but does say that if you are in slavery to honour your master. The bible talks about these things but does not endorse them. Example Do not kill. Treat other how you would like to be treated. If you just look at these passages you will not understand the whole context of the bible.
All those things you speak of still happen today. You would talk about the events of the world even though they weren't endorsed, to be historcially accurate.
Undeterminable 12 hours ago
@Undeterminable "Jesus never endorses any of these things but does say that if you are in slavery to honour your master.", maybe you should look up the definition for endorsement, "Do not kill.", Unless of course your sky daddy commands it"Treat other how you would like to be treated.", Stolen from the Greeks. "All those things you speak of still happen today.", hmm, yeah, I wonder why? Surely it can't be the fact that their Holy Books says endorses it?
TheBlitMaster 12 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster en·dorse·ment: An act of giving one's public approval or support to someone or something. Jesus is not supporting slavery here but he is saying if you are in slavery which most people would sale themselves to pay of debt then to honor your master. He is not saying that slavery is good. The Golden Rule: One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself. This is the golden rule of God. Read the book from start to finish like I have and you will understand the context
Undeterminable 12 hours ago
@Undeterminable Yes he is, he's saying slavery is okay, this is giving approval of it, plus, if Jesus is God like you say he is, Jesus definitely supports slavery. "The Golden Rule: One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.", It was is Greek Philosophy for Centuries before Jesus' supposed birth. I've read the bible 23 times in multiple languages. Is that better?
TheBlitMaster 11 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster If he was saying that it was alright why would the golden rule be One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself. He is not approving it merely stating that you should honor your master. No where does he say to the slave masters its ok to have slaves. He is talking to those who are slaves and can't get out of it. Those who are stuck in slavery he is giving advice to. The scriptures speak for themselves.
Undeterminable 11 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster Right. It it was in philosophy but it hadn't become a rule of God. Jesus made it a rule. I'm glad that you have read it so many times. You must have found it so profound and interesting that you have spent so much time studying it. Your much more devoted to the bible then most Christians. All you need now is for the holy spirit to come into your life :)
Undeterminable 11 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster God is not only the daddy of the sky but of all living things and objects. He is the daddy of all the universe.
Undeterminable 12 hours ago
@Undeterminable According to the bible, he created the heavens (sky), Light the Stars, life, and Terra. But where does it say he created antimatter, dark energy, and all the other planets? If he's truly the daddy of the universe, then who's the mom that created everything he forgot to create in the bible?
TheBlitMaster 11 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster heavens:
celestial sphere: the apparent surface of the imaginary sphere on which celestial bodies appear to be projected
ce·les·tial:
Positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy
Once you understand the meaning of words you will understand the bible much clearer.
Undeterminable 11 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster Jesus also said to love your enemies. You would not do awful things to people unless you hated them and they were your enemies. Jesus said But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Undeterminable 12 hours ago
@Undeterminable Plus, if there are other Universes, humans wouldn't be the only sentient species, in fact. By that decree, humans would be one of the dumbest sentient species as well. So much for YHWH's greatest creation.
TheBlitMaster 11 hours ago
@TheBlitMaster Your make allot of assumptions for a guy that likes to stick to things that are scientific. The bible says that we are made in the image of God. We are not God ourselves. God is the highest being. He is the greatest not us.
Undeterminable 11 hours ago
i like all of Dr. Patton's videos. Very informative and I learn a lot.
AndyG792 2 months ago
No one will make fun of you for changing your opinion from belief in evolution to disbelief once you know the evidence. In fact, we'll gladly welcome you back to reality. Just keep an open mind people, at least admit that evolution isn't proven.
Naytardo 2 months ago
@Naytardo "Just keep an open mind people, at least admit that evolution isn't proven" Evolution is proven. All the evidence fits the theory. There is no other theory that matches all the facts. I do have an open mind. You show me another theory that explains all the evidence and I will be happy to consider it. So far there is none!
mtbee9 2 months ago
@mtbee9 Your strong belief in a theory is admirable. Remember tho, that it is just a theory, one that is constantly "evolving" ;)
earlysda 2 months ago
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@earlysda "Remember tho, that it is just a theory, one that is constantly "evolving" ;)"
Yes a theory like gravity and electricity and other scientific theories that are constantly being 'refined' as new evidence provides more insight into how the universe works.
Learning and moving on - not stuck in the dark ages of biblical guesswork.
mtbee9 2 months ago
@mtbee9 The lack of another scientific theory that attempts to explain all the facts doesn't prove evolution, it only points to design. No one thinks that evolution occurred unless they are taught only one side, everyone instinctively sees design in nature. It's just intuitive to believe in design, and since there is no other explanation that works, since evolution has a zillion problems, I'll stick with design.
Naytardo 2 months ago
@Naytardo "The lack of another scientific theory that attempts to explain all the facts doesn't prove evolution"
Never said it did. But until there is another theory that comes close to explaining how life developed it is accepted as fact.
"No one thinks that evolution occurred" - except all of the educated scientific community!
"since evolution has a zillion problems" Nope it all makes sense - sorry.
"I'll stick with design". Good luck with that - only wishes and guesses.
mtbee9 2 months ago
@Naytardo " instinctively sees design in nature" Yes it is part of human survival of pattern recognition to see faces in rocks, or animals in clouds. However these are just similarities that our brains recognize. The rocks and clouds are not designed.
"It's just intuitive to believe in design" Why, because people don't want to die they think that wishing that there is an afterlife that it will make it true, or to hope there is a master planner or you life has no purpose. Pretty sad.
mtbee9 2 months ago
@mtbee9 Here's my question to you: Is it more likely that this intuition somehow evolved from a molten rock 4 billion years ago, or that a creator who wants us to learn of itself created this intuition in us? And just to be sure, no one knows how this could have evolved. They can say how it would be selected for once present, but they can't come close to giving any scientific explanation as to how it came about in the first place.
Naytardo 2 months ago
@Naytardo " Is it more likely that ... somehow evolved from a molten rock 4 BY ago" Well not when it was molten it had to cool before life could start. Certainly more likely than some magic being invisibly and undetectably did it.
"no one knows how this could have evolved" While we don't know exactly how it happened all the evidence points to life starting and then evolving. Life is made of chemicals and these chemicals were on Earth prior to life starting. No reason to imagine a god to do it.
mtbee9 2 months ago
@mtbee9 No reason or need to imagine. We have a witness in the bible saying God created the heavens and the earth.
Undeterminable 3 days ago in playlist Dr. Don Patton's Play List
@Undeterminable "We have a witness in the bible saying God created the heavens and the earth" LOL what! A witness of god saying it? Who and where?
Now of course anybody can 'say' that god visited them and told them how he did things - this is normally referred to as hallucination, unless of course they have some actual proof!
mtbee9 3 days ago
@mtbee9 Science will never verify the super natural because science is confined to the natural word. If you don't trust my words then how will you ever trust any other man's word no matter what he has experienced in the super natural. There is evidence of a super natural experience in which some truths have been revealed to a person and recorded.
Undeterminable 13 hours ago
@Undeterminable "Science will never verify the super natural" True, for then it would be no longer super natural if it had evidence or could be detected in some way.
"If you don't trust my words" No I don't. How do I know they are true? Just because someone claims there is a god doesn't mean there is one. Some claim the Earth is 6000 y old there is evidence and proof this is wrong, so there claim is bogus.
Question everything!
mtbee9 3 hours ago
@Undeterminable " There is evidence of a super natural experience in which some truths have been revealed to a person and recorded."
No there isn't.
What truths and how do you know they are truths?
They only claim to have been revealed - could have been a dream or hallucination.
Recorded words and stories can easily be written incorrectly, lies on purpose, distorted versions of the actual story or mistranslated from the original.
mtbee9 3 hours ago
@mtbee9 If god created the heavens and the earth then they all are designed by him. The rocks are designed to keep the earth firm and retain heat and the clouds to keep it moist and fertile. All have been designed for a purpose needed for life.
Undeterminable 3 days ago in playlist Dr. Don Patton's Play List
@Undeterminable I agree totally: "If god created the heavens and the earth". That's one mighty big "IF"
I suggest you look at all of the religions in the world both past and present and determine which one is true - based on the evidence of each. Don't just accept your chosen religion because of indoctrination! Only real evidence can determine which guess, if any, is right and will most likely show they are ALL wrong as none are built on evidence, simply old stories which nobody can verify.
mtbee9 3 days ago
@mtbee9 Well there is verification there. I am not religious but I am about freedom. If somebody chooses to be religious I think they have the right not to be persecuted because of there faith. There is evidence there if you are willing to listen to it and see it.
Undeterminable 13 hours ago
@Undeterminable "I think they have the right not to be persecuted because of there faith"
I agree nobody should be persecuted for what they do or do not believe in.
As for evidence. No there is none. One persons experience, vision, dream does not indicate that it is true.
mtbee9 3 hours ago
@Naytardo " since evolution has a zillion problems," REALLY????? Share some of them with us, Mr Scientist.
brospec 2 months ago
@brospec
Apparently you haven't watched the video.
neoverse 2 weeks ago
Talking of fossils being dug up, how many millions of years old is the emancipated organism who is giving the talk here?
If there is anything that supports evolution (and destroys creationistism) beyond any shadow of a doubt it is the actual sequence of the fossil record which has become substantial since Darwin's time. NO amount of lying & misinformation from dinos such as this bloke is going to change the minds of the scientific community.
pilgrimpater 2 months ago 2
@pilgrimpater All of his information is from evolutionists, so nice try but I'm going to listen to Gould's admissions about the lack of fossil evidence. Punctuated equilibrium is Gould's solution to this major problem, a solution that take a lot of faith in my opinion.
Naytardo 2 months ago
@Naytardo The info may well be from Evolutionists but as usual quote mined/ taken out of context (Darwin & the eye complexity are classic examples). How do you explain that the people who actually DO the work (e.g. Gould) are(were) still evolutionists & didn't throw their arms in the air exalting creationistism? They don't of course. PE is not a problem for Evolution. It IS still evolution but just stating change doesn't occur at a steady & consistent rate. So, why is PE not Evolution?
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
People are saying that this guy is misrepresenting evolution believers and he probably is. Many people who don't believe in Christ and God have a misrepresentation of those beliefs as well. Perception is a very important thing in our lives. Your reality doesn't determine your perception, your perception determines your reality. Truth doesn't require belief in order for it to be true. Evidence in our fossil record is a problem for both beliefs, evolution more then creationism.
uppercutter21 2 months ago
Many failed theories grasp at state support of their dogmas in their death throes. Evolution is in that phase now. Wonder what nonsense will be latched onto next? ;)
earlysda 3 months ago
@earlysda "Many failed theories grasp at state support of their dogmas in their death throes"
LOL thats a good one. Evolution theory is growing by leaps and bounds and is reinforced by the evidence at every step. Nothing has come close to disproving it, falsifying it or providing another explanation that fits the facts. I would be interested if you could disprove, falsify or come up with another theory to replace it. Goos luck!
mtbee9 2 months ago
This guy is a conartist - he has no PhD - just another creationist fraud
brospec 4 months ago
@brospec oh sure like anidiotic u tuber knows geeze
thoostorm4 2 months ago
@thoostorm4 okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk................."geeze"? The plural of "gooze"?
brospec 2 months ago
@brospec Even if that's true, his arguments in this video are based on what evolutionists have said. I don't care who's speaking, if it's truth I'll listen.
Naytardo 2 months ago
@Naytardo "Even if that's true, his arguments in this video are based on what evolutionists have said" Try actually reading some basic science rather than listening to another creationist conartist. Why mindlessly accept as truth the statement of someone who lies about their qualifications?
brospec 2 months ago
@brospec I don't mindlessly accept anything, that is why I'm not an evolutionist. I don't believe that most evolutionists mindlessly accept evolution, but that they dismiss all counter-evidence and therefore believe in it. Basic science tells me that evolution is impossible. Take the second law of thermodynamics for example. Evolutionists have faith that some unknown law can overcome this, and claim that the sun's energy solves it. But energy does not decrease entropy. Only design does that.
Naytardo 2 months ago
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@Naytardo "Take the second law of thermodynamics for example. Evolutionists have faith that some unknown law can overcome this, and claim that the sun's energy solves it." What a load of utter bullshit. Get a high school science text book & get the nearest 15 year old to explain it to you - stop wallowing in your smug ignorance & learn some basic science
brospec 2 months ago
@Naytardo "Take the second law of thermodynamics for example. Evolutionists have faith that some unknown law can overcome this" Looks like you've been reading creationist lies. Nothing in Evolution goes against the second law of thermodynamics. Thats creationists pulling the wool over your eyes.
"Only design does that." OK explain how design doesn't have the same problems that you think evolution has!
mtbee9 2 months ago
@mtbee9 Evolution requires a decrease in entropy, which doesn't happen naturally, looks like you've been reading evolutionist lies, and I don't blame you for believing those lies, because accepting the truth would destroy evolution. And please tell me a problem that design has in common with evolution, I'm not really sure what you mean by that.
Naytardo 2 months ago
@Naytardo "Evolution requires a decrease in entropy" Huh? Why? Explain why you think this is the case.
mtbee9 2 months ago
A big give away of his bias when he calls people who accept the evidence of Evolution as 'The Enemy'
mtbee9 4 months ago
@mtbee9 Obviously he's biased... so are you, so am I. He's using quotes from biased evolutionists to make his arguments, so his bias actually plays a small role.
Naytardo 2 months ago
@Naytardo "He's using quotes from biased evolutionists to make his arguments" Agreed everyone has a bias but the fossil evidence does not support creationism - If so how? The cambrian explosion (which lasted at least 30 MY) is supported by evolution - there is nothing to indicate any creation force involved.
He also starts with saying that evolution is nothing without fossils, that too is wrong. The fossils support all the other evidence for evolution. It's not just the fossils! He's wrong!
mtbee9 2 months ago
Truth is folks...I dont care what your title is. Football/baseball players lie
and cheat. Politicians as well. So do scientists....in fact they do it quite often.
A title or a degree does not mean dog shit. Facts still over ride hypothesis and
theory no matter how much you dont like it. Patton is only telling you what your
evolutionist heros are saying. The ad hom attacks and character assasinations aren't and never wil help your cause. People are waking up and the days of
evolution are over!
3gdosrsfs 5 months ago
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@3gdosrsfs Amen. Do you have the free gift of God?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Find the love of God here.
Audio, Gospel of John Chapter 1 AV h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=Ao4uaIjd3xs
BereanBeacon1 5 months ago
@3gdosrsfs "Patton is only telling you what ... evolutionist .. are saying"
Nope, he is misrepresenting Evolution by quote mining certain sentences and then pulling out words to make them mean something different. A totally dishonest and deceptive tactic, unfortunately very common among ALL creationists. They can never argue the facts directly because they know they would lose!
mtbee9 4 months ago
he isnt a Phd. he is a lair.
talkorigins(dot)org/faqs/credentials.html
AtheistGuitar 6 months ago
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@AtheistGuitar For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Find the love of God here.
Audio, Gospel of John Chapter 1 AV h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=Ao4uaIjd3xs
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@AtheistGuitar
LOL! This is the best you real liars can do...dont' dispute indiputible facts...lets character assasinate. The same crap with Hovind. Yeahs a tax cheat but he and Patton kick your sorry dying religous evolutionists every time. You are not even willing to debate either of them because they have the truth on their side and you have at best theory. You cowards! The only hope you have of saving your lies is silencing those who are really telling the truth. So funny.Talk origins LOL!
3gdosrsfs 5 months ago
@3gdosrsfs "You are not even willing to debate either of them because they have the truth on their side and you have at best theory"
Look up the definition for the word "theory" vs "hypothesis". Evolution isnt a hypothesis. its a theory, just like gravity. are you suggesting that you will deny gravity if these people told you to?
AtheistGuitar 4 months ago
@AtheistGuitar Wow evolution is nothing like gravity. I can test gravity. I have no evidence against gravity. Evolution is a philosophy, a failing and flailing philosophy.
Naytardo 2 months ago
@Naytardo You are such a twit. You can observe the effects of gravity (eg things "fall") the same way that you can observe the effect of evolution (eg plants developing inheritable glyphosate resistance).The theory of gravitation if totally different to the effect of gravity....its includes hypotheses (eg the hypotheticical particle the graviton) experimental evidence (eg on frame drag) etc etc. Your understanding of basic science is appalling. God does not command you to be willfully ignorant
brospec 2 months ago
I got filled with the holy spirit..God is definitely real.
Ichthyologist94 6 months ago
@Ichthyologist94 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6:7,8
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
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AWHNNOH 6 months ago
Wow another video with a lot of quotes from articles written between 1970 and 1990... So modern conclusions.... Oh wait when does the genetic science appear to be really a well known ...after 1995... Ok I can understand why this video is so poor in relevant informations about Evolution...
Come on creationists, you can just play with words all the times! To get your conclusion you should have at least a good thesis to be experiment... Life from the poop of the sky and woman froma rib...No?
MattleSystem 7 months ago
@MattleSystem Creationists are very interested in real science, not science fiction.
All evolutionists have is hot air on the mostly anonymous Internet. We have the real science backed up by the $10,000 Life Science Prize. You can evolve from a chicken and win the prize or make cowardly remarks on websites until you ultimately die and become a creationists after it's too late. My last remark to you is something that everyone understands: CLUCK, CLUCK
BereanBeacon1 7 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 What do you mean by real science? Wizards and Zombies attack? Bible text is your only arguments to claim "God did it, it is written there"... But as we know light of the sun should have been there before planets... Woman are not from ribs and man from dust...
Genetic proved aleady that we are all made from molecules producted in the center of stars... At the beginning there was only Hydrogen, the simplest element! Stars made us, not god! Or god did it and left quickly!
MattleSystem 7 months ago
@MattleSystem Try something new and leave God out of the discussion (of course he did it) and look at real science. Evolution hasn't proved anything using real science. "Stars made us," is not real science and you wouldn't dare use that in a public debate.
BereanBeacon1 7 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 Why not? In star you have nuclear reactions! The first reaction in the combination of two hydrogen to give the helium... Then with the time and the pressure you increase the nuclear reaction and the number of combinations. you get heavier element, Oxygen, Carbon, Iron, etc... So why should I keep this as non real science! it is your sun, you can see it everyday!
leave god out of discussion? How can you do it yourself for your real science? Without god, you have nothing!
MattleSystem 7 months ago
@MattleSystem Without God, there is no Absolute Truth, and science wouldn't be able to reveal Truth, which therefore works counterproductive for you. Without God there is no Absolute Morality, and so, raping someone is not really "evil", only socially unacceptable. Without God there is no Cause for the Universe. The fast majority of scientists - evolutionists and creationists alike - understand that the Universe had a beginning and therefore a cause. So, without God, we all have nothing!
EOCYEC 7 months ago
@EOCYEC God's Morality??? Take a look to my playlist called "Religion in Trouble" the first video is about the first cause argument and the second one about God's order to please Himself...
For the rest, it would be to hard for you to discover the reality of religion...
MattleSystem 7 months ago
@EOCYEC Funny to say without god, there is no evil.... Actually your are right here because if God created everything in the universe, he created also Satan and the Hell!!!
And christians claim that He tries to keep you away from the Devil, but why should he care? They work together, One celebrates the believers and the other burns the athieist in hell...
They are actually good friends.
MattleSystem 7 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 Apparently you are 70... Come on guy, during your retirement get some good books before going six feet under...
You are still stuck in the past! And if you believe in Creation, you are even stuck far away from now... But don't worry! Dead as a believer or dead as an atheist, you are still a dead. The only thing you left behind his your souvenirs...
What will you leave to your family, your friends? Will you die with happyness because you live as you wanted or not?
MattleSystem 7 months ago
Anyway, real science when you put God as the only reason for your theory is just laughable... Sorry! I can do the same and say "Evolution is wrong, Umpa Lumpa did it with some chocolate bars and candys in one hour"
I have some evidence, it is written just here... And some reliable element, chocolate is real, candys are real...women have some milk... For the umpa lumpa, you have to believe and you will get the answer, you will see the TRUTH in your heart...
So easy! Teach the controversy!
MattleSystem 7 months ago
@MattleSystem There are too many problems with the evidence for biological macro-evolution. The evidence is either evidence for micro-evolution, is fake, or ony half-true.
Besides, how can you speak about "truth"? From an atheistic standpoint, truth is just relative, and so everybody could have his own "truth". therefore, it's quite hypocritical of you to speak about truth.
EOCYEC 7 months ago
@EOCYEC Hello, so you blocked your entire page or just me. Because I tried to reply to your FAQ comments, and explain you why salt on Mars is not an evidence for hydroplate theory... Should I really?? No...
Debate offer "do with science and avoid religion" but 2/3 of the FAQ answers are related to GOD, Bible verses...
Archeopteryx is not classified as a bird.
Origin of Eve, he is dealing with DNA, but nothing about rib, he avoided Bible here for unique reason. it is stupid to believe it.
MattleSystem 6 months ago
@EOCYEC Speed of light, the accuracy of measurement changed over the time and passed from about 300000km/s to the exact value today... Nothing related to a supposed decrease of speed.
Experiment showed relative greater light speed than the light speed itself, but it is a relative speed, related to referential you are using.
Unexpected asteroid or Oort clouds are nothing to do with evolution or Noah'Ark story, but for creationists for sure it is important...but why?it is out of topic
MattleSystem 6 months ago
@MattleSystem What you wrote is in the Bible. Eat, drink and be merry for we are all going to die but that is for those who don't have the free gift of God. I have the free gift and no fear because I know at death, I will be with my Lord Jesus Christ. Oh, I have the only book that really matters, the Bible that has the words of life.
I suggest you listen to this and perhaps God will show you what you need.
Gospel of John Chapter 1 AV
h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=Ao4uaIjd3xs
BereanBeacon1 7 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 I don't fear death, I am afraid about all you can have before...death is the conclusion, the end point.
After you are with your Lord, I am with superman and santa Claus. Where is the difference?
Bible has the words of life... do you mean Sodom and Gomorra? The great Flood, the 42 children, the only daughter and all the rest for your lovely god... Oh yeah I know all this crap.
You just choose what you want... Ithe rest you just admit God is the Judge and is always right
MattleSystem 7 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 Very well said BB! God Bless you!
EOCYEC 7 months ago
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@MattleSystem And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 1:14-15
BereanBeacon1 7 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 This was marked as "spam", so here it's back:
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 1:14-15 " - By Berean Beacon
EOCYEC 7 months ago
@MattleSystem If you're interested in creation scientific info regarding genetic science, take a look at this:
youtube*DOT*com/watch?v=r7szPN6zGKU
Also, Berean Beacon's worldview already let's him win from you: What is the basis for your use of logic? You need intelligence for that. If you're the result of chance only, how then, can you trust your own thoughts? Simply be using arguments you prove Berean Beacon's world view. A lot of philosophers would recognise this
EOCYEC 7 months ago
@EOCYEC The problem with your "chance" is that it is not valid if you consider only one chance to win the lottery concept... Because Evolution is not working like that at all, if you read a bit more...Evolution is a step by step gradation of good or beneficial element to a population. If this is good enough it is spread, but this does not mean that one day, the baby born with some wings or some lungs complete...
You don't need intelligence, just survival instinct.
MattleSystem 7 months ago
@EOCYEC And what kind of intelligence do you need?? God? Where did you get this idea that he is intelligent... I mean nothing is written about his intelligence and nothing in his supposed words is really intelligent... So you should redefine the word intelligence and also redefine god.
The problem with the complexcity, is that you need something more complex. Therefore the more complex needs also intelligence based on your idea. Etc etc... problem unsolved
MattleSystem 7 months ago
Yeah Don, where is your degree?
joestfrancois 8 months ago
Patton has claimed Ph.D. candidacy in geology from "Queensland Christian University" in Australia. According to Glen Kuban: When I asked Patton for clarification on this during the [1989 Bible-Science] conference, he stated that he had no degrees, but was about to receive a Ph.D. degree in geology, pending accreditation of QCU, which he assured me was "three days away." Many days have since passed, and Patton still has no valid degree in geology. Nor is the accreditation of QCU imminent.
Aarbutusfigeroa 8 months ago
@Aarbutusfigeroa ~Berean Beacon has learned. He now censors video posts to his videos. See: Mathematic Disproof of YEC" and "Noah's Flood: Mathematically Impossible."
pontecanis 8 months ago
He skips over the part about no land animals in existence until the Devonian period and no mammals evolved until the Triassic. Kinda puts a crimp in that six days of creation "theory" doesn't it? The fact is, they are finding Precambrian precursors to organisms with bony skeletons now. Guess why they are not well preserved in the fossil record?
foxlake02 9 months ago
Another dishonest creationist pretending to have a genuine PhD - as big a conartist as "Dr" Kent Hovind
brospec 9 months ago 2
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@brospec Your time is near.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10,11
BereanBeacon1 9 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 what a load of bullshit
wildcrazygoats 8 months ago
This guy is so great. Thanks for posting this.
LoricaLady 9 months ago
@LoricaLady No, quote mining does not make you ''great''.
gregrutz 7 months ago
creationism is bullshit, religious people are shitballs.
quarkmuffin37 9 months ago
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@quarkmuffin37 Your time is near.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10,11
BereanBeacon1 9 months ago
Evilathiest I mean evolutionist are funny. " we believed that yesterday but since you made us look stupid we don't believe that today so heres another fairytale.
heragil1 1 year ago
Evilathiest I mean evolutionist are funny. " we believed that yesterday but since you made us look stupid we don't believe that today so heres another fairytale.
heragil1 1 year ago
My suggestion. If you creationists want to disprove the scientific explanation for the origins of this universe, planet and species why not use the scientific method. Good luck, I look forward to reading your peer reviewed studies. No not pew reviewed.
NoCircularReasoning 1 year ago
desceptive LIARS will NOT lookm you in the eye.
watch this liars eyes
petephuduh 1 year ago
@petephuduh That "liar" is speaking to a live audience. He is looking into many eyes, as good speakers do. He is using accepted scientific models, as good scientists do. An honest person claiming knowledge of science should have no trouble simply listening to his reasoning, and seeing plainly that he is quoting leading evolutionists in his debates ...the ones you love to believe. One looking at the order and co-depent systems of the universe and says "random" has no excuse.
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug no real scientist would dare make these unsupported allegations. his overblown deceptive arguments can be systematically addressed by real scientists at talkorigins org if you care to educate yourself.
petephuduh 1 year ago
@petephuduh Thanks for sharing a reference that supports your view. Can you be more specific regarding the allegations you mention?
demcdoug 1 year ago
Don Patton is not a doctor. His education is from an un-acredited bible school. And FYI, no real scientist goes around labeling themselves "doctor" or "PhD" on their popular publications. Check out the science section in any bookstore; you won't see Richard Dawkins Ph.D., or Stephen Hawking Ph.D. on a book's cover. It would be an argument from authority. And it's redundant to put both Dr. and Ph.D. in the video's title; they're the same thing.
dudev 1 year ago
@dudev When you can't attack the argument, attack the man. Nothing but unsubstantiated declarations in the negative view on this thread. Haven't seen a single scientific argument, only a bunch of slander. Speaks volumes.
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug
I'll happily attack both the man and his arguments. He made the classic blunder about ontogeny & phylogeny. Yes, early, 20th century biologists erroneously thought that ALL stages were recapitulated. However, it is partly true, but sadly creationists see everything in black & white. The fact is that developmental stages are evidence of evolution, they just don't go in a straight succession. What's "dead as a doornail" is the idea that everything is preserved like a slide show.
dudev 1 year ago
@dudev I think the lack of stasis only makes erroneous hypothesis of evolutionary science the more inevitable. The question I can't ignore is, "how did this co-dependent order originate if there is no Creator?" Bio-genesis is a sound principle, no? Non-linearity is an unnecessary conclusion, but one that supports what some hope to find, since the fossil record failed to support Darwin. Quoting evolutionists is tricky. It's hard to keep up with the churn, as one theory replaces the last.
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug
You know nothing of the fossil record if you think it doesn't support evolution. I'm speaking of the modern fossil record, not the 19th century 'version'. Example, biogeography -- the fossilized creatures found are often vastly different than the currently existing ones, which are not found in the older rock layers. So is this god creator continually creating new species? And explain the creator's existence. Did he spontaneously come into being? Sounds circular to me.
dudev 1 year ago
@dudev Gould (Harvard) didn't pass away that long ago. He confirmed that all modern phyla were present during the pre-cambrian "explosion" and there are no new phyla today. I'm not certain how significant your "species" observations are, but nobody is arguing that environments haven't changed dramatically nor "species" ability to adapt. If Gould was correct, what we are observing in the fossils is the 2nd law of thermodynamics ...not progression.
demcdoug 1 year ago
more dislikes on this video than likes! yaay! :D
anka2468 1 year ago
Well the truth is this kind of "science" will never be taught in schools in the western civilized sane world.
wedingo 1 year ago
and this lecture was made in early 2000, note when we mentions the movie jurrasic park.
hudfadz 2 years ago
look at all these atheists commenting in the negative on this. firstly accept some truth, secondly he is qouting atheist scientists works and statments not his own you dumb fools.
hudfadz 2 years ago
@hudfadz
Misquoting is a more appropriate word.
dudev 1 year ago
"Therefor, with true freedoms being rightful, any law which causes having to give up freedoms, is in itself wrong."
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- Really? Well what about laws prohibiting the manufacture of shitty goods? Or what companies can use as materials, what about laws prohibiting what people can use at home, restricting drugs or weapons they can posses. They remove certain rights and freedoms from others, to guarantee the rights and freedoms of others will not be infringed.
boonw 2 years ago
"Atheistic leaders are responsible for the murder of more than 100 million people in the 20th century alone-Hitler,Stalin,Pol Pot,Mao Tse-Tung"
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-First of all,hitler was a christian and made many references to god in mein kampf.He also in 1933 promised to stomp down any atheist movement. Also, the other leaders did not do their actions because they were atheists.They did so in the name of crackpot ideologies.Their oppression is the opposite of the free thinking ideology atheists support.
boonw 2 years ago
{They did so in the name of crackpot ideologies}
Like atheism
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
"{They did so in the name of crackpot ideologies}
Like atheism "
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-This claim is without merit. Nazis murdered in the name of pure German blood, Stalin killed in the same of the people, and the Japanese in wwII killed in the name of Japanese honor. Now, can you explain how someone can kill in the name that there is no higher power? Can you find anything suggesting they did so?
boonw 2 years ago
@nalibok
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-"What are you talking about with regard to Richard Dawkins?"
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-I pointed out that the guy who brought up this video quote mined dawkins to make it look like he supported creationism. I pointed out that it was from a pro evolution video and therefore essentially a lie to argue that dawkins supports evolution. You disagreed and said "No, it's to show that there's no evidence for Evolutionism. "
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-BTW: there is no such thing as evolutionism.
boonw 2 years ago
"he loves his perverted lifestyle and doesnt want to be held accountable by God"
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-Well first,evolution has nothing to do with atheism,70%of evolutionary biologists are theists,and most of them are christian. Second,it is ironic that atheists behave themselves more and follow laws and rules.This is evident by the fact atheists make up 10%of the American population but less then 0.2%of the prison population.This is likely because they realize their beliefs do no exempt them from their actions.
boonw 2 years ago
"evolution has nothing to do with atheism"
That's a complete lie. If atheists don't believe in evolution then how do they think we got here?
"behave themselves more and follow laws and rules"
What a bunch of bologna. Anybody can make up statistics.
Atheistic leaders are responsible for the murder of more than 100 million people in the 20th century alone - Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-Tung.
If there is no god to tell what is right or wrong, you decide for yourself.
nalibok 2 years ago
"That's a complete lie. If atheists don't believe in evolution then how do they think we got here?"
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- The same way old earth creationists do, except they put a big question mark at what caused the big bang. The majority of Christians think that the big bang happened 13.7 bya, life arose on earth either by abiogenesis or divine intervention, life diversified and developed by evolution, and then you have civilization. Some Christians think god is in control of evolution.
boonw 2 years ago
"What a bunch of bologna. Anybody can make up statistics."
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-according to the Appendix: 1997 Federal Bureau of Prisons from Denise Golumbaski, atheists make up 0.209% of the prison population. Also, the higher the atheist population in a region, (typically) the less the crime. Dont spout the "20%" study as I keep hearing, in that study they put atheists, agnostics, undecideds, and 'gave no answer' all in one group.
boonw 2 years ago
@nalibok
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"If there is no god to tell what is right or wrong, you decide for yourself. "
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-No, not really. Atheists realise that they live in something called a SOCIETY, and as part of that society they have to give up some of their freedoms in something called LAWS to keep the society well functioning. You do not see atheists going around killing people saying "there is no god so you can do whatever you want", now, switch that over to theists who argue that god is on their side.....
boonw 2 years ago
{they have to give up some of their freedoms in something called LAWS}
That statement from you, proves correct the statement that you're arguing against. "Freedoms" or "rights" are truly that, only if they are "rightful" freedoms. In other words, you don't have the right to do wrong within society. Therefor, with true freedoms being rightful, any law which causes having to give up freedoms, is in itself wrong. Thus, should not be law. In the US, the first and highest laws forbid denying freedom
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
Your statement mentioned "freedoms". That, inevitably, ultimately means the Constitution. In turn, that leads us the the persons whom created it. They, made it clear that their knowledge which went into creating the Constitution, was based on what they knew about God. You were incorrect, regarding freedoms & laws and you "decided for yourself". You were lacking the proper guidance for knowing correctly. Exactly as Dr. Patton stated
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
"That, inevitably, ultimately means the Constitution."
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-The constitution has taken away freedoms before, you remember the prohibition? What about the 11 amendment? They take away certain rights that help make society better.
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-"They, made it clear that their knowledge which went into creating the Constitution, was based on what they knew about God."
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-The constitution has nothing to do with god, in fact, the first amendment says that the government will have NOTHING to do with religion.
boonw 2 years ago
"You were lacking the proper guidance for knowing correctly."
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-You dont know what proper guidance is. You follow a book that says its okay to kill hundreds of thousands of people, even kill defenseless children and sacrifice virgins as long as god tells you its okay. Seriously, the bible has a pretty low moral standard. The golden rule for me is to see if the action I will do will allow for the betterment of society, such as living conditions and riding the world of poverty.
boonw 2 years ago
Is lol how he quote mines people like richard dawkins to imply that they support creationism
boonw 2 years ago
No, it's to show that there's no evidence for Evolutionism.
nalibok 2 years ago
"No, it's to show that there's no evidence for Evolutionism. "
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-The fact you are defending his argument that a university professor, non-believer, and strong, STRONG outspoken supporter of evolution as someone that supports creation is evidence that you are a retard. Watch the video he quote mined, its a pro-evolution video, I have it on my computer. Here is some "evidence" there is no god
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-"People who believe in god are unintelligent, you have small minds, you dont think"
Kirk Cameron.
boonw 2 years ago
What's wrong with quote mining?
nalibok 2 years ago
"What's wrong with quote mining? "
What's wrong with quoting people out of context to distort what they really said? Nothing.
whovian1971 2 years ago
He looks like the villain of some Indiana Jones movie...
PuppetXeno 2 years ago
This is wonderful! So many errors!
I don't know where to start!
Ahhhh... this is going to be great!
Firstly I haven't been able to even confirm his PhD. It seems he's lying. And the quote mines... ahhhh.
tomaselvis 2 years ago
Well you haven't come up with an errors. You've just attacked Patton's character. Typical thing to do when the evidence is not on your side.
nalibok 2 years ago
How is this crap? He has made some amazing discoveries that prove man coexisted with dinosaurs and pointed out how flawed the current dating processes are. If you can't believe in facts then your just too damn stubborn.
StickieDesign 2 years ago
Plane crap
Philos2006 2 years ago
More quote mining to the right. I have Gould's "Wonderful Life" and that really just seems so dishonest with what you are trying to push. And just more ignorance all the way around. Too bad I can't give it a negative number.
magick205 3 years ago
How old is this video? Just out of curiosity
VersatileMind4Christ 3 years ago
Sure seems like it's out of the Dark Ages and not the 21st Century. Or maybe they're trying to drag us back to that time. Break out your sackcloth and ashes. Are you ready to give up your rights as a woman? That is the future under this mindset.
magick205 3 years ago
It does seem quite old.
LOL my rights?
VersatileMind4Christ 3 years ago
The Cambrian explosion is not the beginning of the fossil record. It is not the start as he describes it.
A geological moment is a long time.
The major phyla may have existed at that time, but there were no fish, no amphibians, no reptiles, no birds, dinosaurs or mammals.
Houses aren't built by genes and sexual reproduction.
Is he suggesting that god gave the fern 480 chromosomes compared to only 46 for his chosen ones. This makes a lot more sense from an evolutionary stand point.