Ahmadiyya in Politics: Allama Iqbal and Ahmadiyya & 2010 Campaign in the UK (Urdu)

[amoralis123]

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Historically, before the fall of the last Mughul Emperor, Bahadur Shah Zafar, there were 2 other large Muslim States: Owadh & Deccan. Both were approached by the British for support to overthrow the Mughals. Deccan refused; Awadh acquiesced: 1857 happened. They realized Muslims’ zeal. Religion to fight religion, McCauley recommended, raising a new prophet (The Indian Mussalmans, p 76 by Sir Dr. W.W. Hunter). MGA’s father, astutely, supplied man & materiel killing Muslims.

[amoralis123]

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He was awarded privileges & recognition. When they looked for a new prophet, MGA fit. He died without making a physical State for his followers. The group sought to establish it by “Kashmir Chalo” movement in 1931. It fizzled out. Wise men at the Whitehall started looking at the crystal ball & realized the popularity of the Congress. Nehru attended the Conference of Oppressed Nations in 1927 in Brussels, organized by Komsomol. He was recruited and was invited.

[amoralis123]

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He was a changed man after the visit. He did not want India to be the dumping ground for Western Rejects. Soviets welcomed. British found it out & became wary of him. They feared that undivided India, most likely was going to be a communist state. It frightened them, losing control of the Arabian Sea (Oil) and Bay of Bengal (passage to Burma, Malaya, Australia & New Zealand). India had to be divided. Covert negotiations between Kh2 & HMG took place: Qadian: a Vatican style City State.

[amoralis123]

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Kashmir, the carrot suited both. For the British, a good listening post in India & to watch the Soviets and China. Patel was the real brains. He saw the opportunity to take control of the Waters & the passage to Kashmir. He played along. The ploy was to declare Qadiani as non Muslims for the promise to get Gurdaspur, Amritser, Sialkot, Shakergarh & Kashmir as their home, making Qadian the Enclave. The Trio was happy except for the Sikhs.

[amoralis123]

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Master Tara Singh had astute foresight, saw the decimation of Sikhism losing Amritser to Qadiani. He let Qadiani declare themselves nonMuslims taking the pivotal control of the balance. Without Qadiani, Muslims became minority in Amritser and Gurdaspur. Singh wanted to opt for Pakistan, changed & joined Hindus making these 2 districts go to India. Massacred, Muslims/Qadiani left for Pakistan. Neither Patel nor Nehru would have any Enclave. Dreams of Qadiani & the British died.

[kmh10956]

If Ahmadiyyat splitting into 2 sects proves it is false then I ask you how many sects have Islam divided into?

[kmh10956]

Lannat-ul-allal kazebeen. Watch :-  Mullah the Curse of Allah ! {Urdu}

[kmh10956]

Inko koi pooche k jab Imam Mehdi (jinko aap maante ho) ya Hazrat Issa (rh) aainge to kya karne aainge? Channe chugne? kya wo aapko koi nasiyat nahi karrenge? kya aap unki baat nahi maanoge? agar nahi to un k anne ka kya faida? kya sirf soowar ka kattal? soowar to Rasool Paak (sws) ne Maulviyo ko b kaha tha, kya Maulviyo ka b kattal karenge?

[kmh10956]

Watch :-  Ultimate Response to Anti-Ahmadiyya opponents. (Urdu)

[peacewin5]

The curse of Almighty will remain on Mirzayat / qadiyaniat/ so called ahmediat THE CURSE will remain on you till eternity because you follow your hawa. And degrades the status of Last and Final Messenger

[southlondon88]

This is absolutely nonsense. If any of you fear Allah than you would read one of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's books yourselves. We believe in Quran as the last divine book Hadhrat Ahmad did not bring any new book. He wrote over 80 books in his lifetime which were in support of the Quran and Islam and Hadhrat Muhummad (pbuh). Stop making up false lies about us. It is the duty for every muslim to go and accept the Imam of this age, The Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi, Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

[MuslimIdentity]

@southlondon88 Yet to meet an Ahmadi who has read his books, and younger generation cannot at all - as the majority have never been translated - guess why? :) Mormons also believe in Bible, and Bahais also believe in Quran. MGA did not bring anything new to Islam, and he founded a new religion and a new theology. We are genuinely happy for you that you found your messiah. Now can you stop maligning Muslims, Islam, and Islamic countries. Thank you.

[saldoczaidi]

@southlondon88

After having studied your books, watching videos reading the propaganda on MTA/RaheHuda & alislam dog com, I, am still confused about Mirza, his character & his message.

He is not making up lies. Why don't you refute his statements one by one with evidence.

I have 3 questions:

Which of his claim one should accept?

Mirza changed Qurani Verses to support his Claim of prophethood: True or False?

Their Kh2 declared them nonMuslims in '46 in Gurdaspur: True or False

[janabjee1000]

@southlondon88 read books first ok.

[amoralis123]

Akbar's statements & analyses are more credible than MTA/Rahe Huda or Ahmadi Videos. It is sad that no Ahmadi was there to refute. One sided story is sweeter than honey. I am interested in FACTS. There is evidence that Ahmadi do misinterpret, mistranslate & obfuscate important issues. There should be a face to face debate of the subject of MGA's Prophethood. Mullahs, 72 sects, Jesus, Mehdi are unimportant. This is the crux of the problem. It should be resolved before a blood bath takes place

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 31:30 Zara Tarekh darust kar len.

1. Hazrat Khalifatul Masih sani (RA) ko Iqbal samet Muttafiqa taor par KASHMIR COMMITTY ka President chuna gya tha.

2. Iqbal Uss committee k member thy.

3. Jo dard rakhte thy un ka kitne WAKEEL Kashmeerion ki madad k lye gay?? 27 mein se sirf 1 2 Ger Ahmadi thy Halan k koi pabadni na thi kissi par bhi.

4. BILKUL JHOOT k Jamat kuch hissa Kashmir ka lena chah rahi thi. Koi Mustanad Hawala batao.

5. Ibal ko AHRARI Mullaon ne bad zann kia.

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 29:40

1934 Ahrari Fasadat (Ahrar ne kaha Ham Qadian ko tabah aor Ahmadiyyat ko fana kar den gy)

1953 Ahrari Fasadat (Muneer Inquiry Report) Ararion ko sakht ZILLAT ka samna karna para

1974 Ahrar ki Baqaya Jat k Fasadat aor 72 Firqe Muslim aor Aik Ger Muslim ki Ulti Ganga Bahai gai. Aor Jamat Ahmadiyya ki Mazeed Taraqqi k raste khule.

1984 Deobandi Dictator (Ziaul Kizb) k Deobandi Molvion k zere asar Sarasar Ger Islami Qawaneen

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 22:40 Akbar bro KOI AIK AQEEDA Jama'at Ahmadia ka jo Khalifa se ta'alluq rakhti he byan karen jo 1914 se 1935 mein tabdeel hue.

issi se fesla ho jay ga k JAMA'AT jhoot bolti he ya ye kaam AAP HI KAR RAHY HEN.

Khirad ka naam junoon rakh dya junoon ka khirad

Jo chahy aap ka husn e karishma saz kary.

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 21:29 Akbar bro Discredit to tab ho k ham jhooti baten mansoob karen,

1. Hadees wali baat ka jo aap ne GOL MOL jawab dia ussi par gaor karen.

2. Iqbal k afkar par uss par bahut se Non Ahmadi Muslims ne KUFR KA FATWA lagaya tha Maslan (Shikwa par) aor Hafiz (Sufi Shair) k khilaf bolne par. Uss ko Tareekh se kesy nikal sakte ho.

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 18:52 Akbar bro Kia Ahmadi Muslims ki ye barai nahin thi k wo Ger Ahmadi Muslims k sath kaam karte thy. Iss se to donon ki barai hi nikalti he.

2. Gol Miz Conferences mein SIRF MUSLIM NUMAENDE jate thy aor Iqbal aor Ch. Zafarullah Khan sb dono MUSLIM numaindy k taor par jate thy.

3. 1935 mein jab Ch. Zafarullah Khan sahib Waisray ki council k member bany tab Iqbal ki Barai ko kya hua??

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 16:30 Akbar bro bahut afsoos he aap k knowledge ki haqeeqat ko jaan kar.

1. Aqaid ki tabdeeli Lahori Jama'at Mein to aai he Magar kissi bare se bare Ger Ahmadi WRITER ne Khilafat se wabasta Jama'at Ahmadia par AQAID KI TABDEELI ka ILZAM bhi nahin lagaya. Ye sara sar aap ki KAM ILMI he.

2. Iss k saboot k lye mulahiza karen "Ehtisab e Qadianiat" Jild 1 (Laal Hussain Akhtar).

3. 1914 mein jo Lahori Jama'at k Aqaid mein tabdeeli ai uss ka Sir Iqbal koi Zikar hi nahin kar rahe. 1935 mein kun yaad

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 16:10 Akbar Chaodhary bro aap ka TOTAL KNOWLEDGE bahut hi Weak he,

1. Hazrat Maseeh e Maood (AS) 1908 mein wafat paa gy aor jo dawy kiye wo zahir hy apni zindagi mein kye thy na k 1935 mein.

2. Allama Iqbal Ruba sadi (25 saal) in aqaid se bekhabar na thy.

3. 1910 mein Aligarh University sy khitab karty hue farmaya. "Punjab mein ISLAM KA Theth namoona Jama'at Ahmadi ka Qadian mein he."

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 15:18 Sir Iqbal k Walid ne Chacha Ataa Muhammad ne in k cousin ne Ahmadiyyat Qabool ki.

2. Iqbal ka pehli bv se bara larka AFTAB 5 saal Taleem Ul Islam High School Qadian mein parhta raha tha.

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 14:25 Pakistan ko tabah hone ki duaen DEOBANDI MULLAON ne di thin. Yaad he ye kiss ka farman he.

1. Pakistan Paleedastan he. 2. Quaid e Azam Kafir e Azam he. 3. Koi Pakistan ki (Py) bhi nahin bana sakta.

Ye sab DEOBANDI Mullaon k farman hen.

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 14:01 inn shaeron ki DATE bhi bata dete to masla saaf ho jata. search karen 1934 k baad k hon gy.

2. Iqbal k doosre Shair bhi kabhi parhen.

Wazha mein tum ho nasara to tamaddan mein hunoon

Ye MUSALMAN (Ger Ahmadi Muslims) hen jinhen dekh k sharmaen yahood

Shor he ho gay dunya se musalman nabood.

Mein to kehta hoon kahin thy bhi Musalman maojood

DEEN E MULLA FI SABEEL ILLAH >> FASAD <<<

Ye (Ger Ahmadi Muslims) k bare mien hen sare Sher.

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 13:14 iss se kunkar pata chal jata he?? Allama Iqbal Koi farishta to anhin tha na, Jo uss mein burai thi wo aap kun bayan nahin karte?? Agar ham karte hen to aap DALAIL se uska radd karen.

Sirf ye keh dena k falan burai kar raha he aor ham tareef kar rahy hen, ye to kissi AQALMAND k nazdeek koi DALEEL nahin he.

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 8:05 Shaikh Sir Iqbal 1935 mein shadeed mali mushkilat ka shikar thy, uss waqt Waisray ki Council mein MUSLIM numaindy k lye Iqbal aor Ch. Zafar Ullah Khan Sb mein se Iqbal ki Ummeedon k bar khilaf jab Ch. Zafar Ullah khan ko unn ki Qabiliyyat ki waja se Muntakhib kia gya to IQBAL ne Ahrarion k zere asar JAMA'AT AHMADIYYA ki mukhalifat ki.

BRAY MEHRBANI APNI HISTROY KI STUDY DARUST RAKHEN.

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 7:46 Dobandi bhi to ISLAM ki shanakh ko MISUSE karte hein. halank BRAILVI unko ko KUFRIA AQAID ki waja se KAFIR mante hen.

Unn k khilaf bhi compain chalao aor jo AHMADI MUSLIMS ko mashwara de rahy ho unn ko do.

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 7:03 Bihai Quran ko Mansookh mante hen. Ahmadi Quran k aik nukte ko bhi mansookh nahin mante balke usse hi apni shariat aor AKHRI KITAB mante hen.

[MindRoasterMir]

@ 4:20 in this video

1. Mashoor he k 72 firqe apna naam MUSALMAN rakhte hen.

2. Sab Mashhoor firqy aik doosre ko KAFIR samajhte hen (KUFRIA AQAID KI WAJA SE).

3. Unn k khilaf koi TEHREEK nahin chalaty?

4. Ye Channel Deobandion ka he. aor Brailvi Musalman in ko KAFIR balke BAD TAREEN KAFIR Samajhte hen.

[Luqmanb04]

SHIKH SAHAB AUR AAP KO YAH LOOG KHUB ISTIMAL KAR RAHE HAIN IN KA ILAM IS KADAR BHI NAHI KAI SAHI TARIKA PAR QURAN KO SHAMAJH SAKAI ..aap logon ki khidmat hasil kar rahe hain ..(2:50)ahmadiyyo kai khilaf aap ko dollar jo zayada daite hain chanda khairat ki surat main ..phir aap ka koi rool nahi yah allah ki kadim sai sunnat hai kai ruhani jamaat ko hi azmaish main dala jata hai .(WAMMA AALINA WA ASHABAY HI )...........

[Luqmanb04]

un ko issi lia koi kuch nahi kahta kai woh hazoor saw kai deen sai to hain magar biddat aur shirk ki amaizish kai sath ...islam alami deen hai hazoor saw "rahmatul allamin" hain allah azzawajal "rabbul allamin" hai akbar sahab coca cola kai barand ki tarah islam ko paish kar rahe hain ..jab bhi mirza sahab ki talim ko choro gai galat raah par door tak chalai jao gai .baad amaliyyon kai natija main hi baad amal sar zaad hote hain ..KYA ALLAH KHUD KATMIYYATE MUHAMMADIYA KA MUHAFIZ KAFI NAHI ?

[Luqmanb04]

(1)is ka matlab saaf hai kai tahaffuz-e-khatma-e-nabuwat walao ko kuch bhi nahi maloom deen kai bara main .ex ahmadi ko istimal kia bina ilam nahi tha ?akbar sahab mirza sahab as ki books ki roshni main hi baat karte hain warna quran ko chor kar dunia ki koi kitab mirza sahab ki books ka mukabla nahi kar sakte ..akbar sahab aap in aalimo ki boks sai jawab dain tab baat bante hai."wama alaina wa ashabai hi "hqadis pak saw pori ho rahe hai dusrae firka kai log jo je main aai karte hain magar CON