Christina Aguilera Justin Timberlake TRUSS COLLAPSE!

[Blackopcodered]

A few more rigging points arent that expensive against this accident

[Chewymonster1]

was this for the tour and if so how did they continue the tour with no lighting systems

[drumaster24]

Someone tell me who the crew company was so I know never to hire them

[DJempyro]

a le bordel pour tout démonter lol

[managerman13]

try explaining that to the insurance company...

[SL8R71]

I GUESS THERS A BUNCH OF DUMBASS INBREDS SETTING UP UNSAFE STAGES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY!

[MrJu1980]

Everyone left for "diner"? Do you mean dinn...... oh wait, I hear the theme music now.

[brickwall555]

its amazing how fucked it actualy got

[Smo1k]

At 30 seconds, the picture tells you what happened. Too few / too far between points on house rig. Big W grin on truss cominnagetcha..!

People on the venue should've been charged with criminal negligence, stuff like that means that it's pure luck nobody died.

[NMWMN]

...so many staging and grand stand collapses... the industry needs to enforce some standards and the Police need to start charging operators for gross negligence that has the potential to cause mass casualties... if you kill a performer with your shit house work, your up for billions!

[BADtimmay]

That´s where you stop complaining about your event insurance... or realy start complaining A LOT, it's kinda up to how it turns out..

[isaacu]

Thank goodness the GrandMA looks like it wasn't hurt LOL. Also, Monitor world looks ok.

[raidereddie]

Always get a seat far enough back so you're not under this stuff.  Usually sounds better back a ways too.

[summercarrillo]

Really happy NO ONE was killed ~

[mrDJTRANZFORM]

this is crazy



[nurulsruslan]

what happen to the concert?

[roachsf]

All I got to say is HEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phantomjudg3]

Arena steele gets changed out every 20 years.......looks like they can start now.

[lesPaullyboy]

pretty sure someone got fired

[whiskyTim]

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiinnn das ist ja scheisse gelaufen!!!!!

[andreasprenen]

if i had to do the ceanup

i woud cry like with evry pece i hold

but itn not mine

but still

pretty darn

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[americaneagle791]

Awwww.... At least the line arrays were okay :P

[stagesixx]

Was the concert cancelled?

[fantasticsound]

@stagesixx The TOUR was cancelled.

[bennebartsch]

omgf^^

[hollyturn]

wow, everyone just left for diner? spell check? lol

[fantasticsound]

@hollyturn - my understanding was they were on meal break and were a few minutes away from returning to roll the stage underneath the light/sound grid. That would've put approx. 70 people directly in the path of destruction had it taken a bit longer to break loose.

[tmgermann]

Nice post.

[rivtoolfan]

lmao better call Martin and ask about the warr. on there units

[icanfuckyouup]

THIS IS NOT COOL HOW CAN ANYBODY EVER TRUST YOU GUYS FOR A JOB WAS IT THE RAFTERS THAT GAVE OF THE CABLES SNAPT WHEN THE WWE SETS UP THERE TRUSS AND LINE ARRAYS THEY HAVE A INSPECTOR GO THROUGH EVERYTHING TO CHECK THE STRESS ON CABLES AND RAFTERS FISRT AND AFTER SETTING UP!!!

[roachsf]

Anyone ever seen a Coemar cut in half?

[luce650]

Wasn't this caused by the structural failure of an un/under rated point/beam not the number of points used?

[claytonaudiopro]

I'm a FOH Engineer, this is SupaFAIL! 12 points means TWELVE points boys... well at least it looks like the monitor console survived that would have been a damn shame... I wonder ultimately who's fault it was cause thats a shit load of gear... lol

[mayansun]

great song!

[this1z4u1]

im a light designer that is a really bad screw up

[dsfrs112]

im a rigger/LX and that is fucking bad lol

[NeXOgT]

nos importaba el audio laparecer sufrio daños menores uffss

[CasualObservations]

Yea what did all of us working in America ever get from unions?

Besides concepts like overtime, health care, child labor laws, pensions, OSHA, collective bargaining and equal rights in the work place.

The next time you have something to say about the IATSE or any other union get a history book first.,.or just say thank you.

[Smicks09]

Pfft, please. In the early days, yes. Now they're just an excuse for the lazy to be even lazier. Perhaps you need a history lesson yourself... And become more observant.

[lacobrita27]

jajaja la media embarradita que se mandó el caballero ahi jajaja por no colocar los puntos necesarios resistentes a la cantidada de toneladas que tenia esa parrilla!!! gracias a dios cuando se callo estavan en horario de colacion osi no mas de una vida ubieran lamentado...

ojo con eso de las toneladas

[getahigh]

good that the line arrays dont get down^^ but anywere poor truss ...the americans dont have a plan how to build a save stage..haha

[TowTruckJoe1]

Holy Fuck! I'm a rigger and always make sure my shit is rigged right. The last thing I want is something like this weighing on my conscience. On the other hand...I'm glad I wasn't on the grid when it came down.. At least everyone walked away.

[Montielk]

THATS TO MUCH TRUSS AND TO MANY HEAVY LIGHTS DUHH..frekin retards!

[rentamidget1234]

ahhh union gigs... ok now how many people are here from the neck down?..... ok you 43 people stand over here... and you two go to lunch so we can't blame you... you aren't union...

[DJFlyy]

just for people to know...

The reason this collapsed is because the venue changed their rigging system and did not inform the touring crew. The crew was not aware of the changes from when the original Rider was signed, and therefore was unaware that there was any alteration.

THE VENUE is responsible for this.

[roachsf]

@DJFlyy I agree. I know the Pyro shooter that was on that tour and he had photos on his digy. He aslo said the same thing.

[icanfuckyouup]

@DJFlyy WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE EQUPMENT WAS IT MOSTLY RE USABLE?

[DJFlyy]

@icanfuckyouup

Well, luckily the Line Arrays (speakers) are still okay. Most likely there was a video wall behind the stage, and that and the lighting was probably irreversibly damaged... Although probably not all of it since it appears that there are still truss segments flown.

Just for an idea, a basic light that tours cost upwards of $7-11,000 a piece. And there are usually about 300 or so lighting fixtures per tour. Do the math on that, and be thankful for insurance.

[wpalmerj]

@icanfuckyouup

At the time, I was working in the lighting shop that received the damaged truss and lamps. We pulled the twisted metal off of several semis, salvaged the lamps for parts, and threw the truss away. A few of the lamps still worked, but most were salvaged.

[kunkle187]

@DJFlyy what did they change? the mother grid? can you elaborate at all?

[DJFlyy]

@kunkle187 @kunkle187 I'll answer you to the best of my knowledge on the situation. What happened was that the production designer didn't want rigging points to get in the way of the set. After some arguing, the riggers followed instruction (against their better judgment) and rigged with less points than they should. As a result, the strength/load balance of the ceiling was compromised, and the beams broke. This led the rig points to slip, and the truss to collapse underneath.

[FLIPP0P0TAMUS]

@DJFlyy still, its horrendous to think about this happening. I check all my rigging calculations 4 times before i tell people to start flying anything.

[pcdude293]

@DJFlyy I am generally disgusted at the fact that this type of thing happens because of a miscommunication on the part of the Venue. Riders shouldn't change... This is awful.

[magnusalexa]

@DJFlyy the reason it collapsed is because they are like mechano, theres more than one stage collapse every year, temp buildings unsafe big time

[mycomment2c]

LOL at comment below

I'm guessing that the backround music of this video is to honor the video tech who REPEATEDLY bumped his rig right before the collapse because he was annoyed with whomever was calling trim! Any seasoned rigger knows that there is typically more than one reason that a rig fails. DO not forget the dynamic loading.

[alebo5]

OMG, Look at all those Intellengent Lights Millions of Dollars gone there!

[triondrummer]

well...luckily only a few of those lights were actually damaged! When they had anything taken apart, the Damage caused was not too big at all! :-)

[teachbur]

That's a shame.

[stootattoo]

why would you only use 6 points on a rig that size anyway? i've used more on less.

[robotick1]

did u guys know that most amercian riggers are not ticketed

[dieyoubastards]

robotick:ticketed???

You mean certified?

ETPC is a bunch of overly intellectual

non-practical testing that does not teach anyone to be a good rigger.

Common sense would have prevented this and most other disasters.

Even so,everyone in the business hangs their trusses wrong,but you can't tell them that and most have had absolutely no schooling in rigging.

Ex:Motors at the end of a straight truss is incorrect and encourages deflection.

[snakeyjakehall]

i'm a rigger too :PP

the poster says it like it is. the house truss only had six points, probably badly placed, the four corners of the house truss held the touring truss okay but the amount of weight centered in the middle on the rig was distributed between the two remaining motors. i'm not suprised the whole thing smiled then came down....

[HalogenBurn]

Hmm. "diner" means an informal eating establishment. "Dinner" is an evening meal. Didn't capitalize God (not like I care). And used "your" instead of "you're." I just imagine with 72000 views someone would have fixed these.

[RandRdriver]

The crew got bad information from the house about the weight limits. Jabberwalkie...You shouldn't be scaring people like this.

[pearlkitsrock2]

the tour rig shouldn't have of been attached to the house truss without someone checking it throughly first, its a safety regulation here in Australia.

Did they have any safety cables attaching the tour rig to the ceiling?

many millions spent on gear lost in 2 mins. Hope they had equipment insurance. :(

[Lestatvvvvvv]

they did have it checked an were given the wrong specs from the venue.

the venue is liable, no one else....

I had done the show in chicago a day or 2 before this and we had no issues.

[Riquerod]

i imagine someone lost their job.

[gaston2009nasha]

i guess it was because christina tried to hang up herself and because of her weight it came down :)

[svpromotion]

how mutch money does that cost:|

At least a milion!

[beatson13]

Depends on how much stuff gets nakered up - could be just 10 grand, could be 10 million

[pearlkitsrock2]

dude the PA would have of been 3 million alone if it was a good nexo

[VideoMusic333]

omg...look up at britney spears stage ...you get scared...

[lpfvr6]

well...I know a certain crew who will be fired.

[Tonyp68]

I've seen the pics at a rigging course, and there they said it was a mistake between calculations of the metric and imperial system. (EU and U.S.) for the lay-outs were written in the metric (stupid EU autocadder) and the riggers were Americans counting in imperial.

[Hairsprayluva62]

omg! thats rele scarey! imagine if they WERE there! they couldve been killed! omg! now im scared 2 go 2 anymore concerts!! lol i wonder wat they said wen they came back and saw wat happened???

[torr8d]

they dont care they got money

[TanyaRossLive]

of course they care for their lives!

[torr8d]

of course

[TigerXtrm]

What happened was that the original stage plan was carefully balanced out in terms of weight. Later some smuck came in who wanted things different and who hung in additional stuff which made the entire construction go over the weight limit. Two connections broke and the entire thing came down. Basic human error.

[djhimmu]

hope those rigs are insured.

[diamonddiver]

Whats the difference between a rigger and a terrorist?

You can negotiate with a terrorist.

[jabberwalkie2469]

Remembering back (swerrilyvision)

to a discussion between a rigger friend and myself..

to change his mind i winched him 4 inches off the stage with a motor and locked out the power.

[martin0mac2000]

ha fun lol

i just hung onto our in house rig and lifted my self 1-2 feet of the ground :)

[JmylesJ]

Look @ All Those Moving Heads.  That Is A Sad Site To See.

[simon66]

this is what happens when you don't go by the rigging plot and think that the rigger was smart.....

[WeMustBeStopped]

My IA Local BA is also the senior ranking rigger in our town, and he has butted heads with road riggers before, on issues of efficiency more than safety, but he usually ends up getting vetoed and, consequently, apologized to at the end of the out. That in mind, fault the road plot or the road head all you want, but don't blame (not that that was what you were doing,) the house riggers: we just do our job. I heard this was Mountain's fault, not the fault of anyone in the house.

[jabberwalkie2469]

hi simon.

with all the years of shaking chain and screeming at the top of my lungs i'm pretty sure the roof rats were heard that day...

[joselino71]

somebody got fired!!!

[jabberwalkie2469]

out of a CANNON!!!

lol

[prorobo]

lights are expensive! that is terrible.

[DJICE92]

yes very expensive stuff, those trusses are very expensive to little segments of those things can cost $100 or more

[olavsniken]

ops!

[hermanno4]

look the riggers who put this up we are responsible for thousands of gigs per year this is the only one i can remember that went wrong look up and remember the riggers motto RIG RIGHT OR DIE simple as

[jabberwalkie2469]

i'm not saying who is wrong..

i just put the question out there did the boys and girls speak up and and question the plot?

or did management say work or go home?

as far as i'm conserened there should be a safety boss NOT connected to the show or the venue. and what he says GOES!

[alxndrHD]

That must have been some heavy stuff... luckily some of line arrays are still up there. Anyone know what line arrays, subs and stuff they lost? Must have been hella expensive =/

[Kaboom214]

Wow those poor lights and speakers =[

[soundguy20000]

My understanding is the house company rated a point for 2 tons that wasn't a 2 ton point. I've never researched it, but everything I've heard blames the company that put the points in. The scary thing is they put in the points for a local house...

[Stevienickssss]

I read that these pictures are from Fleetwood Mac Concert - Down Under

[jabberwalkie2469]

well you have read wrong my friend lol!!

it was atlantic city n.j.

where they sell the best hotdogs in the world!mmmmmmmmhotdoooogs.

[Stevienickssss]

i was wondering because i saw these pictures somewhere else on the web and said Fleetwood Mac

[jabberwalkie2469]

nope!... then it would have been a par-can jungle with persian rugs everywhere...lol

and sounded better too.(sry justin)

[Stevienickssss]

you are write

[suckingwatermelons]

how dumb are they how much money wasted

[xomeghanxox]

Imagine* and Rehearsing*.x

[xomeghanxox]

Imagin if Christina or Justin was rehersing

[tylerljacobs]

Thatd be 2 less people complaining...

[jabberwalkie2469]

LOL well just one justin was pretty cool

[b4y0n37w0rk]

SHIT.

All that money

Because people were stupid.

If people were killed...

Wow.

[fire289]

I Work for A.R.S. and iv seen some messed up shit befor, but nothing as screwed up as that. some body got an ass chewin

[kholyman]

الحمد لله الذى عافانا مما ابتلى به الناس وفضلنا على كثير من خلقة ..

Any way Hope the guys and all pepole is ok

Sorry for the moving heads :(

[coyoteberlin]

What reason was given for the crew not using all the points available?

[ratazz]

A great example of a bunch of no talent assclowns doing what they think they know rather then knowing...can you say Load Calcs, ESTA and use real Production Riggers not coked out wannabees! IATSE Union Proud not some hairband barricade jackass promoted to rigger

[geigeroo]

ya... I remember showing up to my first gig with the IA....I was the only one with a c wrench not in the car

[jabberwalkie2469]

and everyone wanted to drive the forklift too...lol

[Shockstar18]

beat my dick with a bat

[stage365]

i want to go in to the stage lighting design bis im afraid one of my creations will cause someting like this. it makes me think!

[lasergeak]

fixture's dead :(

[yoyomann86]

those are not peavy versa rays. hahaha peavy does not make a versa ray that big. those are JBL line arrays. but for smaller venues versa rays are amazing.

[CosmoWizard]

Poor moving heads! :((

[SONIDOMISTICODJ]

Woow pretty bad accident

[torr8d]

can any body tell me what kind of lights they were using also does any one know what kind of speakers they were

[Dillyellow]

The speakers are Line arrays!!!! Probs Peavey's Versarays!!!!! And I can see a few Mac 500's I think!!!!

[wetodedid]

The lights used on this rooftop can vary. I saw High End Systems-Studio Color 575s and Mac 2000's. I know from working this same rooftop in New Hampshire the week before the collapse. Mountain Productions used a lot of High End System lights. The line array looks to me like Showco's line array. They really have a deep swoop on them when they're flown and all the backing straps are tight. Showco builds their own systems so it's difficult to find these rigs unless they're twenty years old.

[torr8d]

yeah i can see now those are like mac 2000 and studio colors but the wash ones not spots and the speakers jbl vertec

[jabberwalkie2469]

hey!

a housing grid does alot of stuff.

in large venues it can fly in and be a sub roof of a stadium. i.e a roof of a stage,a sound array,a place to hang 60'chain motors instead of 300'

but in this case it was used to make more rigging point options.

it stays with the house or venue.

the touring rig is built for the traveling show and dosen't change much..

it's built for arenas that have a bizillion points to pick from.

i hope this helped..

[omardude39]

I am hoping to go into this profession, but havn't had to come across this yet.

I should think that a housing rig belongs to the building owners, and is a frame from which the touring rig 'hangs'.

The touring rig (belonging to the performers on tour) would be the rig having all the equipment on it.

correct me if I'm wrong, please.

[jabberwalkie2469]

i would but your not...lol

[secdawg02]

Ladies and Gentlemen, tonight's show has been cancelled. Refunds will be issued... lol.

[ILOVEanimals4evaxx]

FAKE

[mentor972]

Really? Did you really say that. Lame.

[omardude39]

how can this be fake?!?!?!

what, did he, like, CGI the whole thing just so he could post it on youtube?

or maybe he went there and choped a few guy ropes while noone was looking...

idiot. absolute idiot.

[yugijane]

your mother

[extremeangel21]

Whats the song called and who is it by? excellent pairing

[iceman977th]

Jimmy Buffett - Your An Asshole

[jasontherigger]

You people are idiots. I do entertainment rigging and this video depicts something that happened because of the truss not the rigging points. I know some of the people on this tour and this was an accident. luckily no one was hurt. So the next time your at a concert, look up and realize the complexity of what you dropped $50 on a ticket for. Just because someone made a wrong call doesn't mean the industry should be criticized for their mistake.

[samtheband]

I also do entertainment rigging, and I totally agree with you. Was Chameleon the lighting crew on that job do you know?

and you are right, the complexities of what happens in this industry is never fully realised until an accident occurs.

[mfs10131]

OMFG!!!!!!!

[Smackherald]

Wow. That would have hurt. For a second.

[velasq12]

man, i hope that doesn't happen to me. i really think it's better to know who you're working with and know what he's doing, withought rushing.

that's why i rather tell them to take their time and ask questions even though they think they are stupid questions.

[Pillowzchan]

Hey, Dad, next time make sure you check to see whose account you are posting in.

>:(

[jabberwalkie2469]

that'll learn ya! to not log-out on my puter...lol

i love the internet it's the only way to communicate with yer kids

love ya!

[tesroz]

Whos concert was that?

[Pillowzchan]

Christina Aguilera Justin Timberlake

[tesroz]

in which year?

[djflandy1]

thankgod dimmer city was untouched :P

[bass1tjm]

thats a pretty expensive scrap heap

[urukhai138]

so here is a profession where can happen human mistakes, beeing tired, hungry, without sleep can cause you forget something, if i forget something in my work i can burn the stage or make the truss fall or throw my body against the floor or the musicians. There´s not guilty, just accidents. On construction or the army there´s much more accidents and dies and no one worries, why have we to be worried?

[jabberwalkie2469]

i just got a headache

[m88888]

wait... wut? did that actually make sense?

It wasn't a mistake on the techies' part. It was the organisers of the concert who decided to put the stage at the wrong end of the hall where there were no fixed support points on the ceiling.

[hellbound817]

Techie? You a noob? You don't need "fixed supports." I did the Kenney Chesney Poets and Pirates Tour 2008 in Houston. It was an 87 point show, with nothing, nothing, hanging from house. It was all self sustained, motors too. All on our truss. It was a fuck up, nothing more, it happens. All that matters is nobody was killed and the show went on, just at a later date...

[pikapokec1]

ŠE DOBR,DA SO BILI NA MALICI.

[tesroz]

haha men je tok čudn kako se slovenci najdemo na youtube:D

[ericexclusive]

were they able to finish that tour after that? cuz it looked like a lot of damage

[RandRdriver]

Yes, We scrambled and got new equipment. The video wasn't the same but the tour finished.

[mutuallove]

we call profesionals if we do big events and thay care of the rigging.

[jabberwalkie2469]

So let me get this right?...

you call in the pros to do big events

and you call in the wingnuts to do the small ones?

to me ALL events where ANYTHING is hanging over the heads of people means the pros get a call...."ring"ring"(it's my mom she says i'm the best rigger in the world.)thx mom

[WeMustBeStopped]

Right on...ALL events.

[kps24s]

Lol and the Yamaha PM sitting at monitor world untouched...phew!

[555MARCUS666]

dude im always a little frighten of this. wether its a concert, wwe, or even the scoreboard, im always a lil wery u just never knoe, and when u think less of it, it will bite u.

[jabberwalkie2469]

i know what yer sayin.

anything that can happen does...at the wrong time too.

people ask me "why do you look at the bad side of everything?"

and i say

"sorry to piss in your cornflakes but somone has to look at the worst case senerio."

[VarietyShop]

Oh dear barbra.

Dude, you can guarantee someone got fired from that mishap.

That setup looked so expensive!

[2mac500]

It was the house truss that failed not the touring rig.

[slcaust]

My understanding of this, is that the house grid failed, not the tour rig, all points were within the rating of the house grid, so either the engineer that rated the house grid was wrong, or something just died of old age or prior overload stress. There were a few people on stage when it fell, but it came down relativly slowly so they all got out in time, if the concert was going, or a sound check, they may not have heard it. most of it was powered, but its all earthed & not much stuff to burn!

[SoundSourceDisco]

Think How Much Damage cost Owelll .. If they had brains & done it prop It wouldnt of had happen lol

[hellbound817]

idiot...

[andrewbourner27]

Love the accompanying music!

[jabberwalkie2469]

thanks! it just kinda fit the video..

[bgtsam]

Can we say oops

[gatepeak]

god job

[chesterbj]

Oh my... Is that real?

[jabberwalkie2469]

yup! i'm glad i was not under it!

[chesterbj]

hehehe yes... i'm sure u wont

[boxpok]

Only six rigging anchor points were used?????!!!! Just how much pot was the rigging crew on? Fire was the least of their worries if this happened during the show. Panic would have ensued (after the performers were crushed)and a stampede like the Cincinatti Who concert only with hundreds dead.