I am Canadian (Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament)

[sensstar15]

I really liked this video, it's too bad Canadians didn't show that we care though and we let Harper back in...our country is going to continue going down the drain. I really liked the part about accountability and smiling doesn't make things all right. Maybe some day Canadians will realize the mistake in letting him in, again.

[kdscott10]

great night in Canada!!!!!! Conservative majority!!!!! The Lib-tards and BQ have been destroyed!

[liberal20111]

AS MY FATHER SAID TO MY BROTHERS WISH EVERY PARTY GOOD LUCK MAY HE REST IN PEACE MR. HARPER HE WAS A GENTLEMAN. I WISH U GOOD LUCK AS WELL AS THE NDP GREEN & LIBERAL PARTIES. MAY THE BEST PARTY WIN.

[liberal20111]

I LOVE MY COUNTRYMr. Harper i do respect u Prime Minister however progloguing parliament is not rt. i agree with u in sending the regular forces to fight in toronto there was a crises that called in the in the Police to protect innocent Canadians/Canadiens G20 Leaders had to be protected THANK U/MERCI.  CANADA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH. PROLOGUING PARLIAMENT WAS NOT RT THIS HAS NEVER HAPPEN BEFORE.

[StJamesapostle]

I am a person of this country not canada - English - - Britts has dragged - Americans and Canada into many many wars yes death rate illegal genocide - - surpressed indians and catholics and french - stole our land and caused war all over the wolrd and - -Britts even dragged the people of canada into war --- hummm - who is worse English Loyalist or Hitler - - atleast with hitler it was a much more faster death --it is no wonder why the french want a place of there own and the indians - catholics

[BoredomCorner]

@Zorrachus This coming from the troll who accepts no responsibility for the mistakes of the far-right.

[BoredomCorner]

@Zorrachus Promoting equal rights, and not illegally invading countries that are no threat to us, are negatives?

Fuck you.

[BoredomCorner]

@1freedomfighter11 Join the Facebook page "Rally for Democracy in Canada -- March 19th".

[thebigstir]

Aaah.. one short year ago we rallied nationally.

We're still here.

[nonationoneplanet]

Google ZEITGEIST and spread the word fast.

[893160007]

@Zorrachus

wow its a typo it's no big deal and good argument btw

[893160007]

@Zorrachus

2- it doesn't make sense and we are not savages even suggesting that you discust me

3- yes their actions and you can prdict by prior actions not race or religion

[893160007]

@Zorrachus

2- people do have choices but somtimes its the better of two evils and if they make a bad choice we should not punish them for life

3- i didn't state very clearly i meant race or religion doesn't determine if a person is a terrorist or not like you seem to think

[HooperWest]

Must be an NDP Thread?

Stop waiting around for a Handout and support your Prime Minister?

Or Maybe a Liberal Thread?

Ignatieff likes Canada so much he chose to not live here for 35 years. And now wants to be our Prime Minister? What an arrogant PANT LOAD!!

[BoredomCorner]

@HooperWest What's with all of these question marks? And what do handouts have to do with anything?

This whole issue is about this fascist PM of ours, closing Parliament REPEATEDLY to save his own ass (not to mention robbing our liberties at the drop of a hat, ie. G20), and covering up solid evidence of war crimes committed under his watch.

[BoredomCorner]

@HooperWest Since when is it such a horrible thing to expect our PM to obey the law? (then again I suppose logic is too much to ask of someone who thinks that every non-conservative is lazy, or that Harper is any less American-at-heart than Ignatieff).

[893160007]

@Zorrachus

2- you are and idiot ask people about why they need it sure some people abuse the system but who gives a damn if it helps the person that has had a hard life people need it because life isn't perfect

3-no I just know race or religion means nothing about a person

[893160007]

@Zorrachus

2: yes because some people need it

4: No because i dont steriotype based on religion or race

[893160007]

@Zorrachus

2- you never know what kind of situations might happen they dont fail

4-that is not the percent and it doesn't sour the race i would sit next to that guy it wouldn't matter to me who i sat next to

[893160007]

@Zorrachus

2-maybee they have a family and need all the money they can get so they have a bad job and welfare- the world is not an ideal place some people have bad lives

4- i disagree with your large % but regardless that doesn't "sour the whole race" it sours those few and I disagreeabout having a orld full of criminals

[BoredomCorner]

"If muslims didn't bomb airplanes and buildings then society wouldn't view them that way in the first place."

Bullshit, people in these parts hated Muslims long before 9/11.

"Then (the unemployed) should go get an education."

What makes you think they don't have one, jackass? I have two college diplomas under my belt, but no one is hiring because WE'RE IN A RECESSION.

[893160007]

2- what if they have a family and are only able to have a mnimum wage job and have no time

4- society steriotypes because only a very small percent are radical and i belive steriotyping makes more radicals and btw i dont agree with the death penalty

[893160007]

2- some people need it because they can only get a bad job or they cant get a job you never know

4- saying killing is bad and then killing is obviousley hypocritical. and they would be more likely to work if society wasn't displaying muslims the way it does

[893160007]

again you exagerated and the greens will experience major growth within the next 10 years

[893160007]

1-your previous comment said private organizations dont work with government intervention so i was just clarifying that i didn't say they should interfere

2-i am saying that there are people who need welfare. and yes some people do abuse it but its better to have an abused welfare system then no welfare system

4-killing killers is being hypocritical we need to work together to solve our problems

[893160007]

1- not gov intervention i am saying there could be gov day cares but a parent could leave their kids with a family member

2- not always what if they didn't have the marks to go to university and they had a family but couldn't support. and i would rather have an abused system then people that need a system not having access to one

4- if we dont call them evil we will be able to talk negotiating will not be instant but its better then doing what we are now

killing

[893160007]

1- not all things have to be health care (except stuff like non prescription drugs) shouldn't be a private organization but if we get universal daycare parents should be able to leave their kids wih grandparents

2- yes, but many people just have bad cicumstances and cant work a good job

3- iraq was not part of the debate i mentioned it when i was saying what the libs have done which is not what 3) came from

4) i am saying we arent going to reach common ground if we say they are evil

[893160007]

1- not so much enforce but provide

2-your quot said "money is why buisness exists its not for people typically" so i am asking you dont think money is for people

3-this debate came from your post about what the conservatives have done

4- again it could be stuff that has happened to them has affected them plus the west (espessialy the usa) has been anti-midle east for along time before 9-11. and even though some came from iraq the group didn't have anything to do with iraq

[893160007]

1- i disagree the government should provide more services and i never promoted any ban on freedom although you proposed not aloowing those people to have kids

2- that should have been money isn't for people? this was your quote "Money is why businesses exist, its not for the people typically."

3. the debate for that part was about peacemaking and iraq was brought up even though we have little involvment

4. no we just need to show them that they are not evil then try to negotiate

[893160007]

@Zorr

sorry character limit

4 continued- people wont negotiate if we present them to the world as the way we do

[893160007]

1- no its not okay its just these people are not bad they did bad things and the problem needs to be solved. change in role of social workers, more government involvment in daycare

2-money isn't for the people. and big buisness will cut back in a resesion even with a bailout because they dont see people buying but people need essentials if they recieve tax breaks buisness sees growth and has less cutbacks

3-irrelevent to this debate

4- that is what you implied you said i worked with them.

[893160007]

1- look at the childhoods of many murders. you shouldn't ban having kids for people if people dont know how to handle them they could have care from someone who does who could also show parents how

2- People make buisness work and big buisness is less liekly to spend bailout money

3-they were non-combat so it is irrelevent

4- so anyone who doesn't want to kill them is one of them and we dont need proper government to negotiate with a group and btw i meant terrorist groups not afghanistan

[893160007]

1- many people are like that because of how their parents treated

2- bailing out big buisness is not bailing out big buisness?

3-we were not in combat in iraq

4-they have nothing to do with the country we should also be negotiating before fighting

[893160007]

-alot of crimes are commited because of what has happened to that person. if people were rehabilitated they would realize they did somthing wrong and wouldn't do it again

-no people still need essential big buisness will spend as much as they are before they are bailed out

-clearify what you are saying please

-not to countries that haven't done anything

[893160007]

-socialism is exageration. the usa has no place but you want more relations. and extreame right is bad too

-not money you educate them and try to find out whats wrong and how to fix it. this has been effective where it has been used

- un isn't canada-nation x its all together. plus we walked out on iran even though he was wrong walking out isn't going to strengthen the realtion

-no peacekeeping you only fight if you are shot at peace making you dont need to be attacked to invade

[893160007]

-i disagree libs would have more benefits for people not big buisness

- prison is just going to piss people off rehab finds out whats wrong

-the only reason our relation its strongest was because it was bush and cretien two opposites it will likely decrease again with harper and obama and we should still try to increase relations with others

-in iraq we had no combat involvment and in afghanistan we are not peacekeeping we are peacemaking

[893160007]

reduced the deficit- no its increased with harper even though he said it wouldn't

crine- it shouldn't be about punishment but rehabilitation

usa- our us relations are strong we should try to increase relations with more countries

- they also introduced the gsr it was the manufacterers sales tax before

-we are not in iraq and most people dont want to be in afghanistan

[893160007]

the liberals in the last 40 years

-made english and french both national official languages

-increased multiculturism

-charter of rights

-allowed gay marrige

-didn't invade iraq

those are some of the most notable

an btw liberals aren't even my primary party the green are

now tell me what the conservatives have done it the past 40 years

[893160007]

I am saying that in a minority he is running from a possible election if you have a majorirty you won't have an election

and the conservatives haven't done anything

[kdscott10]

Prorogation happens in every country with a British Parliament. As you can see, just because a hospital parking lot is empty on Sunday does not believe the care is not given. It is business as usual. Exciting to see an election. Get Iffy to try a non confidence vote; come on, do it.

[893160007]

two wrongs dont make a right

both those had majoritys

harper has a minority and both times it was thretend he prorogued parliment

he has just used it to run away

[arash3589]

hahahaha! this Zorrachus is such a nice troll! but please don't feed him!

(one of his funniest comments was "a muslim guy with hijab"! i almost wet myself!)

[OjibweWonder]

He has a banker background Harper does, he is looking after his own interests and the benefit of those elites like him, I bet he spent more time with Obama, cause they can go heavy on Canada if they want global government, such stopping trade...Canada is dependent on the goods and services with US.

[ribhkum]

ha ha i'm sure the majority of canadians are just wondering "what the fuck does prorogue mean"

[collegeguy2009]

Conservative government must be overthrown now... they are the most fascist, evil fatherfuckers in the face of the universe.

[Miradart]

The only problem is then you get Clowns with Guns. All we can do is continue to remain calm, discuss the real issues and see where that takes us.

The big problem is that politicians understand that most people want to be lead. People look to politicians to boil the issue down to what fits inside a 15 second sound bite. Once that happens, people stop thinking critically, especially when the comment comes from 'their guy'.

Once that happens, the politician has it easy.

Everyone - Think.

[D33Lux]

So what if harpers gone. Politicians are like low level street drug dealers you get rid of one your have 30 to replace them. "Politics is like a circus no matter who you vote for you always get a clown" Nothing will change because WE THE PEOPLE are not doing anything to change it. Sometimes physical force is necessary, these animals do not respect logic!

[OjibweWonder]

@D33Lux Revolution is the only answer

[Pax00Imperium]

Go Canadians! I don't care what party does this, I'd be against them. Tyrannical leaders do this when the parliament isn't going their way.

[OjibweWonder]

@Pax00Imperium or its a tactic to do something underhanded that will cost so much to Canadians we could never imagine, we are slaves to the elites

[Pax00Imperium]

Yeah...and that scares the hell out of me.  I wonder if Vancouver will have a false flag.

[OjibweWonder]

on the news today :appointments were announced while Harper was on route back to Ottawa from an international gathering of the political and business elites in Davos, Switzerland, with a stop in St. John's, N.L."

[Miradart]

"Canadian Tea Party"? Oh how Canadian. ugh.

Maybe we should call it Prorogue-Gate" Good God. Can we please be more original here?

Let's get this into perspective. You wait longer that 37 days for you income tax return to come back.

"Tempest", thy name is "Alleged Torture by a Third Party."

[brollyjohn]

It's amazing to see Harper bringing Canadians together by doing... Nothing! The Canadian Tea Party is born.

[mite43]

This is serious people! This is like a third world dictatorship ...harper doesn't want to face an issue he suspends democracy !The next election This dangerous man must be defeated !

[collegeguy2009]

Fuck yeah... Stephen Harper totally fucked Condoleeza Rice, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Laura Bush, some shit like that. National Enquirer and TMZ shall target the entire conservative government to expose the cabinet ministers and the prime ministers sleazy actions to ALL people.

[TheAutomanDan]

Can you imagine if this Neocon had a majority?? We'd be living in a dictatorship and we'd have to be in the streets to fight for our democracy......

[tonkz3]

Mr. Harper's decision to prorogue Parliament is wrong. With so many challenges facing Canada --Parliament must be able to do its work. The Prime minister must be held to account

[phredhead]

God help us if the Cons ever get a majority

[collegeguy2009]

Lol... be prepared to overthrow conservative government then.

[kdscott10]

You are not a polluter, but you sure love the 30 billion dollars that Alberta sends your way, from the same tar sands that the Liberals provided tax deductions for years ago. You are for peacekeeping? You should make some non Latino friends from South Korea, Australia, Hong Kong, Belgium, France, Holland -- they are damn happy we are a fighting nation, because if you do not stand for anything, you stand for nothing.

[JavierESRO]

The value of money does not compare to the irreparable damage that is being done in Alberta. I'd like to know how I'm benefiting of this 30 billion dollars. I still pay taxes, nothing is being handed out to anyone here in Thunder Bay. If anything, the current government is using the said money in their ridings, like the 50 million that were invested in Huntsville and it's surroundings under the pretense of the G8 meeting. This video is faced on facts, not made up propaganda.

[JavierESRO]

As for your WWI & WWII reference, I don't see how it is relevant? Canada always had a reputation of peacekeepers, even then. I recall reading in many history books that our soldiers were nicknamed "the gentlemen of war" With the current allegations that our government is covering up the Afghan torture incident, our soldiers are being "unjustly" targeted by Afghans that feel their have the right to punish them back.

[Miradart]

@JavierESRO who's spinning propaganda now?

1. In WW2 we were there fighting a WAR. We killed folks. We were not there in ANY capacity as peacekeepers. Maybe re-read that part of your history book again. Acting professionally in a difficult situation, doesn't make us peacekeepers.

2.  Tarring Canada, with the Afghan torture issues before and during the Olympics would only be taken out of context by foreign media.

3. Besides, It's only 37 days. God, you guys make it sound like it's years!

[JavierESRO]

1. I agree with you it was a WAR, and Canadians did kill other soldiers. It was a last resort.

2. I'm not tarring Canada, read the news, if the ICC doesn't feel that our government is doing a good job investigating these allegations, Canada can be charged with "Crimes against Humanity"

3. Please understand that the duration of this proroguing is not in question, it is the dubious reasons behind it.

[Miradart]

@JavierESRO

1. Good. We are in agreement on that.

2. The media here before the olympics are SPORTS guys. They won't see the difference between "allegedly" and "Did". They are jocks. what do they know.

3. You and I don't know all the details of what happened over there. Right now, all we are going on is a bunch of political loudmouths we are forced to listen to all looking for political gain, and Not ONE of them really care about our reputation, or the truth. It's all a game to them.

[Miradart]

@JavierESRO

The guy who's opinion I respect the most has been a Liberal candidate in the federal election a few years ago. He has been in wars. He has been in military 'difficulties'.

He is General Lou McKensie.  He has seen stuff and understands how this kind of thing actually (or allegedly) happens. He is siding with the Conservatives.

A Public inquiry would be so full of political hacks trying to the the "GOTCHA!" moment, there would be no point.

37 more days won't kill anyone.

[BoredomCorner]

@Miradart This coming from the sheep who thinks that it's okay to shut down Parliament to avoid WAR CRIMES CHARGES.

[BoredomCorner]

@Miradart Harper is obstructing an investigation into WAR CRIMES -- that really doesn't bother you at all?

[Miradart]

@BoredomCorner There was no evidence that Canada did anything that would be considered war crimes. The rules of our very presence there said we had 48 hours to pass on any detainees. When improper treatment was discovered, our people hauled the other side up to explain themselves.

Also, the timing of the calls, right before the olympics, is pure BS politics. Didn't hear much after the games.

Was everything perfect? No,but war isn't perfect and we are still the good guys.

[BoredomCorner]

@Miradart Actually there's plenty of evidence that Canadian troops knew about the prisoners being tortured, and that Harper covered it up.

The timing of the call, was right as the House was investigating this disgrace -- and we heard Harper being threatened with contempt charges until he finally handed over documents.

[Miradart]

@BoredomCorner "Knew about it", and "DID IT" are completely different things, but most people, including the soft minded media, won't make that distinction. It was Canada bashing at it's finest, and a purely political 'crisis' foisted by Libs who decided that some short term political gain (because ti wouldn't have lasted) is more important than our reputation in the international community right before the Olympics.

It was a nothing story a year ago. And it still is.

[hofnerman1]

Well Said!!

[kdscott10]

It is relevant because you wrap yourself in the Canadian flag, and if you have a flag on your backpack and go to many countries in the world you would be welcomed because of our dedication to their freedom, ie. Holland. All soldiers are targets in Afghanistan and it has nothing to do with these spurious allegations, that the Libs are scared to say outside of Parliament, lest they loose their protection from slander. Contact the International Court of Justice in the Hague, and theywill actforu.

[BoredomCorner]

@kdscott10 Try me again when our PM isn't obstructing justice.

[kdscott10]

@BoredomCorner Quick off the mark eh? You will get your election shortly. Get your ketchup ready to go with your crow.

[BoredomCorner]

@kdscott10 That's the best you can do? Oh and BTW why should a CRIMINAL who CHEATED his way into office, deserve to win?

I thought Conservatives believed in accountability, law and order -- I guess not.

[kdscott10]

@BoredomCorner Exciting times; as the conservatives march towards a majority! Yeeha

[BoredomCorner]

@kdscott10 And on what are you basing that absurd assumption? Everywhere I've looked, people are itching to through Harper and his other fascist crooks to the street.

[kdscott10]

@BoredomCorner You should change your friends and find some who are not absurd, nor delusional. 4 more years, then Prentice takes over for another 8. Life is grand!

[mikefastener]

@kdscott10 I guess Canadian voters have spoken....right?

Maybe for some....an "inconvenient truth".

Agreed?

[jimmyk1111]

Good video. But if you want more Canadians to sign up against proroguing Parliament, you shouldn't make it a 2 minute long diatribe against the government.

The polls show 60% of Conservative supporters are against pro-roguing Parliament too.

Do you want them on your side, or not?

Just askin. Again, good vid tho.

[CrackerJackLee]

i think that harper is confused... coming from alberta, harper probably thinks that he is ordering pirogies...

[purpleindigosunset]

Check out the "Canadians Against Proroguing Government" facebook page. Grassroots, it was started by someone in Alberta.

At currently just under 200,000 members so far, there is an informative and interesting discussion board 24/7

[worldlythinker]

@purpleindigosunset thanks! I am now a member of said anti-proroguing group. best wishes to those on the home front!

[BoredomCorner]

@purpleindigosunset 205,000 and counting.

[BoredomCorner]

@purpleindigosunset Too bad that someone in Alberta jumped ship right after the rally. Way to stick with your cause.

[worldlythinker]

Haha, I did not actually believe this happened (again!) until I looked in The Economist and skimmed an article that called Harper something like a "dictator." I will rally in spirit, as I'm out of the country, but if there's anything I can do to help sort out this mess of politics please let me know!

[mab2morrow]

Nicely done Javier. 5 star :)

[UncleZag]

Great video Javier.

[darksideofthenation]

I love the song.

[JavierESRO]

@darksideofthenation I wanted to find a tune that would best depict the current situation of the country. Currently we have neighbours, co-workers arguing of who is right and who is wrong. We shouldn't be focused on fighting, but finding a solution. A non-partisan solution that will bring Canada together under one flag, one nation.

[alastair36]

Could you imagine Harper's response if the Liberals were in power and prorogued parliament. He would go ballistic.

It's a good thing we don't have a hypocrite as our Prime Minister. It is also a wonderful thing having a leader like Harper who embraces democracy and unites people.... oh wait... that's who I thought I voted for. Fooled me before Harper, never again. You will always have your lemmings though who will follow you forever.

[medhatalberta]

I am not a lemming by any means or a Harper supporter - despite being from Alberta. But isn't this the 105th Prorogation of Parliament? What makes this one so horrible compared to the others. I just can't find the history of previous prorogations. I'm not arguing but just trying to figure this out. Aren't most bills being thwarted by the Liberal Senate anyways? Isn't this similar to what Obama is dealing with? ie. His opponents would rather see him fail than contribute positively.

[alastair36]

Perhaps you missed the first sentence of my comment. I'm referring to Harper & how hypocritical he is.

At the end of the day, the Reform Party turned out to be just like any other political party & Harper, just like any other politician.

They walk the high moral ground while seeking power, & once they have it, they will do anything to keep it even if it means acting just like everything they always fought against in opposition.

The lemmings will say, "yeah, but the Liberals did this..."

[alastair36]

You can't put Obama & Harper in the same situation. This has nothing to do with opponents wanting to see Harper fail. Many of us voted for the guy because we thought he would be different but it turns out that we were wrong.

The toughest pill though for us to swallow is that once again, the Liberals will have to dig us out of deficit, like they did after Mulroney left office. I don't know who is more Conservative and who is more Liberal now! We know who the Reform are, & that they are not!

[BoredomCorner]

@medhatalberta The bills are usually being thwarted because they're terrible (like that "consumer safety bill" that gives the authorities the power of warrantless search and seizure, or Bill C-10 for that matter).

No one but Harper has dissolved Parliament just to save his own hide, either.

[BoredomCorner]

@alastair36 He did go ballistic, in fact.

[DanceToLiveStudio]

Incrdeible work! Amazing video, thanks Javito.

[natedawg3654]

If i didn't prefer the Conservatives to the other 3 legitimate parties in Canada i'd probably care more about this.

[parsimony742]

Fantastic video.

[universalradio]

Great - and I love the choice of music

[nonamacd]

Great Video, but please fix the spelling of Truro in the list of rally cities. (you have a "w" on the end). Thanks

[JavierESRO]

Thanks for the heads up. I should have double checked the spelling.

[mondaluna]

thank you for that work. well done