even if his electronic time would be in the 10.2 range, it would really be a bit faster, look at the shit track these guys were running on. today there are modern synthetic/rubberized tracks. these old cinder(dirt) tracks were dead !!! that's what makes hayes' 100m of 10.05 incredible, on a chewed up dirt track in tokyo he clicks off a 9.91(albeit wind aided) in a semi then the 10.05 not even pushed
electronically. just imagine what crazy time he would have run at altitude in mexico city in 68
If you calculate in decimal the error about to cronometer manually you should have one idea about what one athlete lose running on that kind of surface...
@crlbertone that's why usain has incredible top speed and maintaince of it, but the start for usain is only slightly above average for a world class sprinter
@juricans With all due respect are you nuts? Several white men won the Olympic Gold in the 100M. Bobby Marrow, Charles Paddock, Ralph Craig, Archie Hahn, Lindy Remigino, and Allan Wells, just to name six off the top of my head. Please note that Wells won the Gold 20 years after you claim the last white man won.
@juricans With all due respect are you nuts? Several white men won the Olympic Gold in the 100M. Bobby Marrow, Charles Paddock, Ralph Craig, Archie Hahn, Lindy Remigino, and Allan Wells, just to name six off the top of my head. Please note that Wells won the Gold 20 years after you claim the last white man won.
You made a great pleasure to me. I saw with my friend as an 8 year old boy the final (we had TV already). And both of us were fanatics of Armin Hary. I later read his book (10,0) and collected all and everything I could get. To see here the pictures very well decribed in his book brought back best memories, thanks. By the way, svenson03, the relay run of Hary was supposed to be the fastest a man had run (so far and for a while).
io non capisco come mai fino agli anni 70 c'erano sia bianchi sia neri alle finali di velocità, e da quel canadese in poi c sono stati solo neri...va bene che hanno le fibre muscolari migliori, xò sta cosa m puzza..
Hary's place in sporting legend is secure, not only because he defeated the Americans in what they regarded as their blue riband track and field event but because, I think, he was the first man to lower the 100 metres world record to the magic 10.00 second mark. However, I seem to recall that Hary was an unpleasant individual off the track.
He was a very individual person, not easy for "officials" of German athletic union, not too willing to adapt, but nevertheless he was an outstanding team member: his best race ever was in the 4x100m "gold"-relay in Rome. Today he supports young athletes.
For me, though his carreer was so short, he was the German "athlete of the century": the only one to become European and Olympic champion on 100m and 4x100m and the first man to run the 10,0sec.
I think he was convicted of fraud in the early 1980s and that his relationship with the German track and field authorities was pretty bad for many years. He wasn't too popular with the German media and public, either, as I seem to recall he was not amenable to interviews, personal appearances, etc. Although he was renowned as the world's fastest starter, you will see that he was lying only fifth at the halfway mark of the Olympic final. I think Dave Sime actually lost sight of him.
Yes, he was great but by far not as popular as his German opponent Manfred Germar. They had one great success together in the 4x100m relay at European championships 1958, where Germar also won the 200m.
In Rome Hary had been warned off because of one false start, so he had to be careful not to become disqualified. This was the reason he didn't start as quickly as usual.
I think the false start actually worked in his favour. At the 50 metre mark he was "running scared", because he was not used to being behind at that stage. However, his position meant that Sime and Budd, in the inside two lanes, had no vision of him and therefore no target at which to aim. Had Hary had his usual flying start, Sime, who was a fast finisher, could have seen him and might have overhauled him just before the line.
Maybe you're right,and in the 4x100 m relay Hary (2nd position on the lane next to the US)started so quickly again that the second US runner started too early behind him, so that the first US runner caught him only behind the mark,so the US was disqualified,though Sime had been first in the end slightly before Lauer. BTW Peter Radford also changed behind his mark, so GB also should have had to be disqualified, but the referees did not notice and so GB got bronze.
Radford was a notoriously slow starter. In the 100 metres final he was, as you can see, last at the 70-metre mark but finished like a train, taking the bronze medal.
As far as Hary's position in the race, he actually led from start to finish. It looks close, but there have been published photos of his start in the 1960 Olympic final that show Hary had nearly a full stride length lead within the first 10 meters. Sime closed the best and poor Ray Norton, dead last. The whole episode is documented in a book called "Play It Again, Bud" by noted writer and documentarian, Bud Greenspan.
In fact, Hary's 10.0 was a WR, but was HAND-Timed. His official automatic time in that race was just 10.25. The first official sub 10.00 Jime Hines 9.95 at Mexico City in 1968.
@novaexpss - What's your point? That Hary was faster than Hines? Sorry not even close. Hary was fast, but I sincerely doubt that he could have beaten Hines on any surface, cinder or tartan. I don't even think Hary could have beaten Bob Hayes who ran a 10.06 on a chewed up lane one cinder track in Tokyo.
the best video reflecting spirit of sports. Starter - Oscar of 1960.
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I think Christophe Lemaitre looks like the american sprinter David Syme :-D
In my opinion,Hary is the best white sprinter ever and one of the greatest sprinters of all time
filosofia95 7 months ago
Der Sieg von Armin Hary war eines der schönsten Siege der Deutschen
Leichtathleten. Auch ich habe ihn einmal live erlebt.
sacomapapagei 10 months ago
i recently read at wikipedia
Hary was the last european WR record holder
crowndeluxe 1 year ago
even if his electronic time would be in the 10.2 range, it would really be a bit faster, look at the shit track these guys were running on. today there are modern synthetic/rubberized tracks. these old cinder(dirt) tracks were dead !!! that's what makes hayes' 100m of 10.05 incredible, on a chewed up dirt track in tokyo he clicks off a 9.91(albeit wind aided) in a semi then the 10.05 not even pushed
electronically. just imagine what crazy time he would have run at altitude in mexico city in 68
use2slam2 1 year ago
Hary was the most rapid at the starting blocks, just a few 1/100 of phisiological risponse!
lekunberriko1 1 year ago
If you calculate in decimal the error about to cronometer manually you should have one idea about what one athlete lose running on that kind of surface...
novaexpss 1 year ago
crlbertone - for your info. with doping you can drop your strides dramatically. By training it is very rocky road to do.
papmjny 2 years ago
It took Hary 46 strides to cover the 100 Mts. Usain Bolt did it in 41 strides for 9.59, while Tyson Gay did it in 46.
crlbertone 2 years ago
@crlbertone that's why usain has incredible top speed and maintaince of it, but the start for usain is only slightly above average for a world class sprinter
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juricans 2 years ago
What are you talking about? There were plenty of white men who won it before him and two more after him, Valeri Borzov and Allan Wells.
PongGod 2 years ago 5
@PongGod totally agree. Pietro Mennea & George McNeill would have to be in the frame as well.
AllanWellsfanclub 2 months ago
@juricans With all due respect are you nuts? Several white men won the Olympic Gold in the 100M. Bobby Marrow, Charles Paddock, Ralph Craig, Archie Hahn, Lindy Remigino, and Allan Wells, just to name six off the top of my head. Please note that Wells won the Gold 20 years after you claim the last white man won.
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@juricans With all due respect are you nuts? Several white men won the Olympic Gold in the 100M. Bobby Marrow, Charles Paddock, Ralph Craig, Archie Hahn, Lindy Remigino, and Allan Wells, just to name six off the top of my head. Please note that Wells won the Gold 20 years after you claim the last white man won.
Hotrod3543 1 year ago
@juricans youre dumb
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juricans 11 months ago
Did you recognize the guy at 1.50 m? This is the legendary Jessie Owens...
tuhde 2 years ago
You made a great pleasure to me. I saw with my friend as an 8 year old boy the final (we had TV already). And both of us were fanatics of Armin Hary. I later read his book (10,0) and collected all and everything I could get. To see here the pictures very well decribed in his book brought back best memories, thanks. By the way, svenson03, the relay run of Hary was supposed to be the fastest a man had run (so far and for a while).
tuhde 2 years ago
io non capisco come mai fino agli anni 70 c'erano sia bianchi sia neri alle finali di velocità, e da quel canadese in poi c sono stati solo neri...va bene che hanno le fibre muscolari migliori, xò sta cosa m puzza..
brosdaturbigh 3 years ago
Congratulations to Armin Hary! This was one of the great magic moments of German sport.
svenson03 3 years ago
Hary's place in sporting legend is secure, not only because he defeated the Americans in what they regarded as their blue riband track and field event but because, I think, he was the first man to lower the 100 metres world record to the magic 10.00 second mark. However, I seem to recall that Hary was an unpleasant individual off the track.
Czerniakowska 3 years ago 2
He was a very individual person, not easy for "officials" of German athletic union, not too willing to adapt, but nevertheless he was an outstanding team member: his best race ever was in the 4x100m "gold"-relay in Rome. Today he supports young athletes.
For me, though his carreer was so short, he was the German "athlete of the century": the only one to become European and Olympic champion on 100m and 4x100m and the first man to run the 10,0sec.
svenson03 3 years ago
I think he was convicted of fraud in the early 1980s and that his relationship with the German track and field authorities was pretty bad for many years. He wasn't too popular with the German media and public, either, as I seem to recall he was not amenable to interviews, personal appearances, etc. Although he was renowned as the world's fastest starter, you will see that he was lying only fifth at the halfway mark of the Olympic final. I think Dave Sime actually lost sight of him.
Czerniakowska 3 years ago
Yes, he was great but by far not as popular as his German opponent Manfred Germar. They had one great success together in the 4x100m relay at European championships 1958, where Germar also won the 200m.
In Rome Hary had been warned off because of one false start, so he had to be careful not to become disqualified. This was the reason he didn't start as quickly as usual.
svenson03 3 years ago
I think the false start actually worked in his favour. At the 50 metre mark he was "running scared", because he was not used to being behind at that stage. However, his position meant that Sime and Budd, in the inside two lanes, had no vision of him and therefore no target at which to aim. Had Hary had his usual flying start, Sime, who was a fast finisher, could have seen him and might have overhauled him just before the line.
Czerniakowska 3 years ago
Maybe you're right,and in the 4x100 m relay Hary (2nd position on the lane next to the US)started so quickly again that the second US runner started too early behind him, so that the first US runner caught him only behind the mark,so the US was disqualified,though Sime had been first in the end slightly before Lauer. BTW Peter Radford also changed behind his mark, so GB also should have had to be disqualified, but the referees did not notice and so GB got bronze.
svenson03 3 years ago
Radford was a notoriously slow starter. In the 100 metres final he was, as you can see, last at the 70-metre mark but finished like a train, taking the bronze medal.
Czerniakowska 3 years ago
As far as Hary's position in the race, he actually led from start to finish. It looks close, but there have been published photos of his start in the 1960 Olympic final that show Hary had nearly a full stride length lead within the first 10 meters. Sime closed the best and poor Ray Norton, dead last. The whole episode is documented in a book called "Play It Again, Bud" by noted writer and documentarian, Bud Greenspan.
broadjumper1 2 years ago
In fact, Hary's 10.0 was a WR, but was HAND-Timed. His official automatic time in that race was just 10.25. The first official sub 10.00 Jime Hines 9.95 at Mexico City in 1968.
broadjumper1 2 years ago
@broadjumper1 And the condition of terrain...? It's not the same thing to run on that surface.
novaexpss 1 year ago
@novaexpss - What's your point? That Hary was faster than Hines? Sorry not even close. Hary was fast, but I sincerely doubt that he could have beaten Hines on any surface, cinder or tartan. I don't even think Hary could have beaten Bob Hayes who ran a 10.06 on a chewed up lane one cinder track in Tokyo.
broadjumper1 1 year ago
ha ha ha wtf
osmex4real 4 years ago