Funny how we always hear about the few hundred firearms used by a wacko or mental patient or illegal alien but never hear about the millions of firearms that are legally and safely used every day. I have more than a dozen in my home that have never harmed a soul except my M1 Garand that probably sent a few Nazis or Japanese to their end. The only person who should fear my guns are those who would look to harm my family or take those guns from me.
"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State." Heinrich Himmler
These shooting are in GUN FREE ZONES. Law abiding people are not allowed to carry legal guns in these places. Only those that have criminal intent will violate the GUN FREE ZONES. How much more stupid is the news. Or how many times are they going to tell you only part of the truth and not the whole truth. Asked this. was the victims of these shooting armed. Answer, NO!
Surveillance systems are almost useless. All they do is help catch the criminal that killed someone who was unarmed and couldn't defend themselves against a criminal who had a gun. The cameras are about as useful as a sign saying no guns allowed. As if a sign is going to stop a criminal.
Criminals always prey on people in gun-free zones because it guarantees helpless victims, they don't have to worry about anybody shooting back at them, so it makes the victims easy pickings to the criminals.
if the guy had a history of mental health issues then he obviously didn't obtain the guns legally since one of the questions on the 4473 is do you have a history of mental illness.....
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Hmmmmmm, yeah, and ever notice that no one ever brings their instruments to a music concert and start playing? And how about people never bringing their pans to restaurants? Strange, eh?
why should guns be banned. Obviously its people who shouldn't have guns have guns. Look at all the good gun owners who have to suffer. Even if you did ban guns, it so easy to buy an illigal gun. Whats whorse it that the illigal gun is more lethal
I hate it when they use the term gun violience. Like " lets get rid of gun violence". How about violence in general. It doesnt matter how the violent act is commited, its the fact that its happening.
Because we ALL want criminals to have guns but no law abiding citizens. You ban guns and you just allow criminals to have the guns instead. They tried to ban drugs, does that mean there are no drugs in America anymore? Hell no, just meant the majority of people that have drugs are criminals now. Thats what happens when government tries to "ban" anything.
wow a whole 32 people dead. Just the other day a bus tipped over and 12 people died. How could this happen? What can we do about it? We need strict bus control laws.
Why do people ask the same dumb ass questions after each of these incidents?..its as clear as day..you can't prevent crazy!...if some nut wants to walk into a mall school etc, and kill a bunch of people with a knife, car, gun or bomb its going to happen you can't stop it. That is just the way life is, shits unpredictable. Just like putting a wall along the southern border isn't going to stop someone with a bomb from sneaking in.
"Since February 1st, 7 incidents with 3 or more victims, 32 dead."
This is how the Leftist news works; no perspective on the stats they use.
What they didn't tell you is that since February 1st there were 1,792 deaths on the US highways alone in auto accidents. So compare 1792 to 32. I think I see a difference.
But I surely don't see Charlie Gibson & ABC News squawking about the evil auto industry, or how licensing and registration of drivers & their cars has helped to stop auto deaths.
Don't buy this liberal neomarxist bullshit folks. Research what happened in England when they disarmed the citizens. Gun crimes, homicide and home invasion robberies exploded over 49% and have stayed there. The Bobbies who never carried guns or vests now carry them AND wear bullet proof vests yet are STILL overwhelmed.
The people of England recently held the largest peacefull protest in Englands history, demanding gun rights back.
Strange, ABC,CBC,NBC, NSNBC,CNN et all don't report this info!
Youd have to be suicidal too, and just plain stupid. I can think of many many ways to kill hundreds or thousands of people without using a firearm and with a chance of not getting caught..... poison a town water supply.... etc. I mean seriously all these laws after shooting sprees- how many people in our society are actually homicidal and suicidal? Making laws based on the very few worst elements of society treats us ALL as if we are these elements and we are NOT. Its damn insulting.
The scariest thing about this is that some people think that there is a "fool proof solution". Let me assure you there is none, the best thing that could be done would be to decriminalize self defence.
"How many people died from car accidents that month? Let's ban cars. How many people died from drunk driving that month? Let's go back to prohibitiion. There was no crime then, right?"
VT was completely camera monitored through NSA funding many years ago and they cover every foot of campus.They were watching the shooter every step of the way and watched him leave and come back. The camera system is monitored by Fed Gov and so the only thing that I can think of is that they liked what they saw and let it happened.Same is true with UorM in Ann Arbor MI and all of the
campus sites in Chicago.Libertytreeradio for more vids Mark Gregory,,Koernke GDW!
How many people died from car accidents that month? Let's ban cars. How many people died from drunk driving that month? Let's go back to prohibitiion. There was no crime then, right?
aye, and those are the guns bought from licensed dealers, only securing the border is going to stop the automatic weapons and hand guns alot of criminals get, they are not bought in gun stores, they are brought in from Mexico, or being sold by corrupt government agencies, sure wish the ATF would explain how Iraqi AK-47s are ending up in the hands of street gangs, but they would likely just lie as normal.
Also not, those criminals are specificly targeting Gun Free Zones, think about that people WHY??
It is an easy answer, they know there will be noone to stand up against them and try to stop them from shotting anyone they want.
Only thing a Gun Free Zone does, is tell criminals where a safe place to commit crime is, Wake up people, and go buy yourself a gun. Only person that can make sure you are safe is YOU, criminals won't give you time to call 911 and wait for the cops.
Also, banning commercial guns just makes things worse. First of all,it means that more guns will be sold illegally, thus putting them into the hands of criminals. Second,it disarms law-abiding citizens, giving those criminals the reassurance that their victims will pose no real threat. It's a vicious cycle that must be stopped. And here they are bragging about their cameras? A serious gunman isn't going to say, "Gee, they have cameras here. That thing is gonna fuck me up if i start shooting."
OF COURSE they bought their guns legally, dipshits. If you're going to shoot 15 people and then yourself, why do you give a flying fuck where your guns come from? It doesn't matter, legal or illegal, you end up dead either way. The solution? Fuck putting more cameras and police officers in schools, just another way to erode your liberties. Let responsible students and teachers carry firearms on the school premises. A well placed bullet will stop any1, no matter how mentally fucked up they are.
Instead of letting students have the freedom to protect themselves on campus, they promote more police state solutions to give the illusion of being secure.
He had about 5 semi automatic weapons and the government wanted them, he said no i bought them you have to pay for them and they shot him, and now no1 in england has any guns and crime is still RISING
ha, "how can a school shooting happen again??" anyone can walk onto a "gun-free-zone" and lay waste to 15-20 people before the cops ever arrive. The only way to defend from guns is guns. Had anyone in one of those classes had been carrying, it woulda been over well before 30 deaths.
The last line says it all. Could cameras have prevented it? Probably not. But one or two law abiding citizens with guns might have stopped it earlier. Knowing that they were there might have prevented it.
* Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%.4
Recall the 60's when Manson slaughtered an entire family with a Knife. I have about 50 knives.. all unregistered. Cane slew abel with a rock. I have a few hundred unregistered rocks in my yard. So who gives a flying Hoot what a killer uses? Guns don't kill people. People kill people so stop demonizing guns.
Why not teach the children moral absolutes like "thou shalt not kill"? I don't remember this problem 50 years ago when you were allowed to discuss morallity and have a healthy respect for values in the classroom. It seems their preferred solution is big brother. As morallity declines, so does your freedom. This country is toast.
Wrong I am a Satanist but I know that it is pointless to kill someone who doesn't deserve it. It does you no good and our lives are about making yourself happy and doing good for yourself. What would killing do for you if it is not necessary?
I am liberal, but I only support gun control laws that are meant for keeping guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, and out of the hands of criminals. Disarming law abiding citizens is not gonna protect them.
When someone basically puts out the idea that it's alright to regulate guns, it encourages more regulation. It starts out reasonable but over time the idea of reasonable changes. That's how I see it.
@Cowbelltheoneandonly True. But that is not going to stop citizens with criminal records from getting them by illegal means whether its stealing them from people who can posess them, bribing military and police personal into supplying them with weapons, or even manufacturing their own (and they can do it, manufacturing a gun is not as hard as you might think).
The correct question is why do these folks place so little value in their lives and the lives of others? That has nothing to do with guns, but it has everything to do with the violence. Blaming guns completely misses the point.
I wouldn't be surprised if the government banned gun ownership by ordinary citizens pretty soon. This government has become so authoritarian that i don't think they like the idea of ordinary people having any power on their side.
More guns less crime!!!
bulldog10mm 6 months ago
Funny how we always hear about the few hundred firearms used by a wacko or mental patient or illegal alien but never hear about the millions of firearms that are legally and safely used every day. I have more than a dozen in my home that have never harmed a soul except my M1 Garand that probably sent a few Nazis or Japanese to their end. The only person who should fear my guns are those who would look to harm my family or take those guns from me.
RichfromNH 6 months ago
"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State." Heinrich Himmler
CanadianReich 11 months ago
Drugs are illegal but tell me one high school you couldn't get pot or some other drug in with little to no effort?
RichfromNH 1 year ago
These shooting are in GUN FREE ZONES. Law abiding people are not allowed to carry legal guns in these places. Only those that have criminal intent will violate the GUN FREE ZONES. How much more stupid is the news. Or how many times are they going to tell you only part of the truth and not the whole truth. Asked this. was the victims of these shooting armed. Answer, NO!
tock101 1 year ago
Surveillance systems are almost useless. All they do is help catch the criminal that killed someone who was unarmed and couldn't defend themselves against a criminal who had a gun. The cameras are about as useful as a sign saying no guns allowed. As if a sign is going to stop a criminal.
jrd1461 1 year ago
Criminals always prey on people in gun-free zones because it guarantees helpless victims, they don't have to worry about anybody shooting back at them, so it makes the victims easy pickings to the criminals.
n310ea 2 years ago
lmfao.....that's a good point...
jparish62 2 years ago
if the guy had a history of mental health issues then he obviously didn't obtain the guns legally since one of the questions on the 4473 is do you have a history of mental illness.....
jparish62 2 years ago
We will Kill for our gun rights
KILLFOROIL 2 years ago
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Hmmmmmm, yeah, and ever notice that no one ever brings their instruments to a music concert and start playing? And how about people never bringing their pans to restaurants? Strange, eh?
You make no sense.
meloearth 2 years ago
Your missing the point, and the worse part is I am positive you think you ARE educated. That's the scary part... because your obviously not.
Shabazz762 2 years ago 2
the media should be banned for misinformation..is that protected by the first amendment?
nowhiteguilthere 2 years ago
why should guns be banned. Obviously its people who shouldn't have guns have guns. Look at all the good gun owners who have to suffer. Even if you did ban guns, it so easy to buy an illigal gun. Whats whorse it that the illigal gun is more lethal
TheGreenteawithmilk 2 years ago
I hate it when they use the term gun violience. Like " lets get rid of gun violence". How about violence in general. It doesnt matter how the violent act is commited, its the fact that its happening.
wedvarn 2 years ago
Our society is decrepit, it has nothing to do with guns.
LonestarDeTimberland 2 years ago
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guns should be banned
banksiegirl 2 years ago
Because we ALL want criminals to have guns but no law abiding citizens. You ban guns and you just allow criminals to have the guns instead. They tried to ban drugs, does that mean there are no drugs in America anymore? Hell no, just meant the majority of people that have drugs are criminals now. Thats what happens when government tries to "ban" anything.
Khurzan72 2 years ago 3
schools are gun "free" zones. if every one in those massacres had a gun i bet a bunch more people can be saved
mamtrol 2 years ago
Not all colleges are gun free. The U of Alabama does not prohibit concealed carry.
Mikevdog 2 years ago
So the solution is to observe our every move? This has big government written all over it.
sniper6081 2 years ago
wow a whole 32 people dead. Just the other day a bus tipped over and 12 people died. How could this happen? What can we do about it? We need strict bus control laws.
Valetudo21 2 years ago 2
Why do people ask the same dumb ass questions after each of these incidents?..its as clear as day..you can't prevent crazy!...if some nut wants to walk into a mall school etc, and kill a bunch of people with a knife, car, gun or bomb its going to happen you can't stop it. That is just the way life is, shits unpredictable. Just like putting a wall along the southern border isn't going to stop someone with a bomb from sneaking in.
thetubeinsideyou 2 years ago
"A government large enough to give you anything you want is also large enough to take everything away." -Thomas Jefferson
BBmyQ 2 years ago
wow, back when we only had 12000 members? SCCC is over 38000 now!
astrowanabe 2 years ago
The UN can pucker up and smooch my white butt. Our arms are protected and the 2nd Amendment is NOT about sports and target shooting.
BlatentYak 3 years ago 4
"Just because you have an individual right doesn't mean the state and local government can't constrain the exercise of that right." -Barrack Obama
Crazy, I know.
eurohim 3 years ago
"Since February 1st, 7 incidents with 3 or more victims, 32 dead."
This is how the Leftist news works; no perspective on the stats they use.
What they didn't tell you is that since February 1st there were 1,792 deaths on the US highways alone in auto accidents. So compare 1792 to 32. I think I see a difference.
But I surely don't see Charlie Gibson & ABC News squawking about the evil auto industry, or how licensing and registration of drivers & their cars has helped to stop auto deaths.
NoGuff 3 years ago 2
or how many babies were killed by abortion laws
BBmyQ 2 years ago 2
Don't buy this liberal neomarxist bullshit folks. Research what happened in England when they disarmed the citizens. Gun crimes, homicide and home invasion robberies exploded over 49% and have stayed there. The Bobbies who never carried guns or vests now carry them AND wear bullet proof vests yet are STILL overwhelmed.
The people of England recently held the largest peacefull protest in Englands history, demanding gun rights back.
Strange, ABC,CBC,NBC, NSNBC,CNN et all don't report this info!
flyboymd82 3 years ago 4
If I was a mass murderer I wouldnt want to go on a shooting spree were my victims could shoot back at me Id go to a "gun free zone".
BloodthirstyGnome 3 years ago 12
Youd have to be suicidal too, and just plain stupid. I can think of many many ways to kill hundreds or thousands of people without using a firearm and with a chance of not getting caught..... poison a town water supply.... etc. I mean seriously all these laws after shooting sprees- how many people in our society are actually homicidal and suicidal? Making laws based on the very few worst elements of society treats us ALL as if we are these elements and we are NOT. Its damn insulting.
CanadianReich 11 months ago
when you give up your rights for security you lose both
DoorOfPerceptions 3 years ago 7
"The beauty of the 2nd amendment is it will not be needed until the government tries to take it away"
-Thomas Jefferson
eurohim 3 years ago 3
The scariest thing about this is that some people think that there is a "fool proof solution". Let me assure you there is none, the best thing that could be done would be to decriminalize self defence.
norcofreerider604 3 years ago 3
All the killers were on Psychotropic drugs.
All the killers were depressed and on psychological drugs.
chewbaca1989 3 years ago
"How many people died from car accidents that month? Let's ban cars. How many people died from drunk driving that month? Let's go back to prohibitiion. There was no crime then, right?"
i couldnt say it better myself
mistasirr 3 years ago 12
VT was completely camera monitored through NSA funding many years ago and they cover every foot of campus.They were watching the shooter every step of the way and watched him leave and come back. The camera system is monitored by Fed Gov and so the only thing that I can think of is that they liked what they saw and let it happened.Same is true with UorM in Ann Arbor MI and all of the
campus sites in Chicago.Libertytreeradio for more vids Mark Gregory,,Koernke GDW!
Libertytreeradio 3 years ago
How many people died from car accidents that month? Let's ban cars. How many people died from drunk driving that month? Let's go back to prohibitiion. There was no crime then, right?
jzaja1 3 years ago 5
statistically guns are safer than cars. out of 200 million firearms only 32 fatal incidents? not bad.
Unclesamslair 3 years ago 5
aye, and those are the guns bought from licensed dealers, only securing the border is going to stop the automatic weapons and hand guns alot of criminals get, they are not bought in gun stores, they are brought in from Mexico, or being sold by corrupt government agencies, sure wish the ATF would explain how Iraqi AK-47s are ending up in the hands of street gangs, but they would likely just lie as normal.
JasonBrumfeld 3 years ago
Also not, those criminals are specificly targeting Gun Free Zones, think about that people WHY??
It is an easy answer, they know there will be noone to stand up against them and try to stop them from shotting anyone they want.
Only thing a Gun Free Zone does, is tell criminals where a safe place to commit crime is, Wake up people, and go buy yourself a gun. Only person that can make sure you are safe is YOU, criminals won't give you time to call 911 and wait for the cops.
JasonBrumfeld 3 years ago
er Also Note, darn I need more coffee before I post
JasonBrumfeld 3 years ago
"Killed by guns" he says, what a veritable fuckload of putrid, festering rhetoric. One might as well describe sexual assaults as "rapes by penises"!
hekesuede 3 years ago 6
Also, banning commercial guns just makes things worse. First of all,it means that more guns will be sold illegally, thus putting them into the hands of criminals. Second,it disarms law-abiding citizens, giving those criminals the reassurance that their victims will pose no real threat. It's a vicious cycle that must be stopped. And here they are bragging about their cameras? A serious gunman isn't going to say, "Gee, they have cameras here. That thing is gonna fuck me up if i start shooting."
hoax4254 3 years ago 5
OF COURSE they bought their guns legally, dipshits. If you're going to shoot 15 people and then yourself, why do you give a flying fuck where your guns come from? It doesn't matter, legal or illegal, you end up dead either way. The solution? Fuck putting more cameras and police officers in schools, just another way to erode your liberties. Let responsible students and teachers carry firearms on the school premises. A well placed bullet will stop any1, no matter how mentally fucked up they are.
hoax4254 3 years ago 2
so...what are WE going to do about it? just talk? I'm tired of talk.........aren't yall?
ninja128 3 years ago 2
Calling 911 does not work. Carry a gun !
amxultraman 3 years ago 4
Let law-abidding, trained students carry firearms to protect themself from crazed gunmans!
EJR914 3 years ago 2
Classic bullshit.
Instead of letting students have the freedom to protect themselves on campus, they promote more police state solutions to give the illusion of being secure.
GuardofLiberty 3 years ago 6
introducing you to big brother...british gov. already have this set up
rckbttm14 3 years ago 2
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"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self defence." John Adams
"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Thomas Jefferson
"Americans possess the advantage of being armed." James Madison (the guy that actually wrote the second amendment and Bill of Rights).
If those quotes don't define the true meaning of the second amendment as our founding fathers intended, I don't know what does
tuckamania76 3 years ago 2
Why should LAWFUL citizens be denied their right to defend themselves?
MIT1369 3 years ago 8
you can take our guns away, but it'll have to be from out COLD DEAD HANDS!
mopanahi 3 years ago 5
same here bud im stocking up now!!!!
hondatilldeath 3 years ago
That happened to my cousin in england.
He had about 5 semi automatic weapons and the government wanted them, he said no i bought them you have to pay for them and they shot him, and now no1 in england has any guns and crime is still RISING
BBmyQ 2 years ago
So a computer is going to protect me? Fuck that. I'll CCW a .40S&W/.45 thank you very much.
RavenThunder 3 years ago 4
I just read that at the Virgina Tech. shooting 30 of the student were killed after the police were on the scene.
ClassicFIHD 3 years ago 3
ha, "how can a school shooting happen again??" anyone can walk onto a "gun-free-zone" and lay waste to 15-20 people before the cops ever arrive. The only way to defend from guns is guns. Had anyone in one of those classes had been carrying, it woulda been over well before 30 deaths.
RehcamretsneF 3 years ago 3
The last line says it all. Could cameras have prevented it? Probably not. But one or two law abiding citizens with guns might have stopped it earlier. Knowing that they were there might have prevented it.
Joemantler 3 years ago 2
pro conceal carry.
* Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%.4
scarfinger68 3 years ago 3
Recall the 60's when Manson slaughtered an entire family with a Knife. I have about 50 knives.. all unregistered. Cane slew abel with a rock. I have a few hundred unregistered rocks in my yard. So who gives a flying Hoot what a killer uses? Guns don't kill people. People kill people so stop demonizing guns.
OrdinaryBill 3 years ago 3
Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming a pencil for misspelt words. IT JUST DONT MAKE SENSE!!
ike1371 3 years ago
Why not teach the children moral absolutes like "thou shalt not kill"? I don't remember this problem 50 years ago when you were allowed to discuss morallity and have a healthy respect for values in the classroom. It seems their preferred solution is big brother. As morallity declines, so does your freedom. This country is toast.
mare652 4 years ago
Wrong I am a Satanist but I know that it is pointless to kill someone who doesn't deserve it. It does you no good and our lives are about making yourself happy and doing good for yourself. What would killing do for you if it is not necessary?
Lord666Belial 4 years ago
lord666
Thanks for your support-
At least you still believe in the right to bear arms.
mare652 4 years ago
I am liberal, but I only support gun control laws that are meant for keeping guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, and out of the hands of criminals. Disarming law abiding citizens is not gonna protect them.
zcm007attack 4 years ago
When someone basically puts out the idea that it's alright to regulate guns, it encourages more regulation. It starts out reasonable but over time the idea of reasonable changes. That's how I see it.
weedauer 4 years ago
@zcm007attack
Citizens with criminal records normally are denied by the gun dealer when purchasing their gun
Cowbelltheoneandonly 1 year ago
@Cowbelltheoneandonly True. But that is not going to stop citizens with criminal records from getting them by illegal means whether its stealing them from people who can posess them, bribing military and police personal into supplying them with weapons, or even manufacturing their own (and they can do it, manufacturing a gun is not as hard as you might think).
zcm007attack 1 year ago
@zcm007attack
I was backing up your comment with support facts, by saying gun dealers have to check the citizen's criminal record >.<
don't get yourself in a tissy now
Cowbelltheoneandonly 1 year ago
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zcm007attack 1 year ago
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@Cowbelltheoneandonly sorry about that. no hard feelings.
zcm007attack 1 year ago
"Gun Free Zones" are a proven failure time and time again. Law-abiding citizens should be allowed to defend themselves.
vaguy78 4 years ago 4
Even with orwellian monitoring of every act of the populace (founding fathers would shudder), when seconds count, the police are still minutes away.
xagcx 4 years ago
The correct question is why do these folks place so little value in their lives and the lives of others? That has nothing to do with guns, but it has everything to do with the violence. Blaming guns completely misses the point.
xagcx 4 years ago 2
I wouldn't be surprised if the government banned gun ownership by ordinary citizens pretty soon. This government has become so authoritarian that i don't think they like the idea of ordinary people having any power on their side.
dfthompson 4 years ago
here we go again with the propaganda ...
time to take our guns away , folks ....
this way only the cops & criminals will have them .....yeah right !
bebop54 4 years ago