Nobody was able to claim sovereignity over the Westbank: So I shall do it now!! I claim legal possession of it in the name of my God and Country, the Noodle Monster.
@Jeansschwimmer I really like the comment you sent me. It is right on the mark, but you didn't include { The Butch } Ariel Sharon. Is old Ariel still on life support? dizzbear
@dizzbear Neither God nor the devil seem mto like his company- like an "undead" vampire he is still among us. The hospital sent him home- he is under care of his family now on his huge ranch. Do you know about the house he restored for his personal use ( one of his bigest lies ever)?
It is a tradidional cubical house of natural stone in the heart of Jerusalem's Muslim Quarter. He topped it with a gigantic menorah and an Israeli flag hangs from . That was his idea of peaceful living with Arabs.
-Transjordan never included anything to the west of the River Jordan.
-The entire area now called "Israel" including the West Bank and Gaza, was the BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE from 1922-1948 (Google it)
-Jewish refugees arrived as a result of influence of the Anglo American Committee set up between the British & the Americans, who allowed 100,000 Jews to enter Palestine!
-When the British White Paper decided to limit the number of Jewish refugees, more arrived illegally!
the jews should take the rest of palestine back (jordan) and punish london for sewing the seeds of generations of slaughter and death (for oil rights) while they're at it..
He convienently forgets to mentions that Palestine west of the Jordan was divided in a Jewsih and an Arab state by the UN. What an asshole this guy is.
the point is that arab muslims fought with the jewdeochristian zionist worst enemies of islam against the Ottoman empire their muslim brothers to create isreal, the ottoman would never allow it
We all now the dirty zionist Jews started ww1 and ww2 soon ww3 do you remember before ww1 there was a plan by jewish banker rothchild to create isreal, Germany was about to win the first ww1 but the german jew promised briton they would get US into the war if they gave them Palestine Germans lost the ww1 because of the jewish and jewish communist betrayal do you think that the jews in Germany would be safe after what they did, read history
@YUSKHAN The Jews did not make up a significant population in the US to do anything. The Germans lost WWI before the Americans arrived, and they wouldn't get Palestine in any case had the Ottomans not launched a war of agression.
@dizzbear Israel must have had at least two muslim PMs: Both M. Begin and I. Shamir were terrorists. According to Israel's propaganda, terrorism is of muslim origin.
what STUPID people seem not understand is the name Palestine was given to the JEWS as an insult, theirs no such things as a Palestinian Arab that's false propaganda made up by Muslims to try and take Israel, this false propaganda can be learned through history by reading about Emperor Hadrian of Rome 136 BC (the person who gave Jewish Israelite's the name Palestine) and reading the history of the ottoman empire who gave the Arabs Israel and renamed it Palestine! theirs no way around the facts!
@alydamarte Palestine was never an official state or country. after the fall of the ottoman empire the stupid Syrians (so called Palestinians) who occupied Israel resisted exile by siding with the British and concluding with a British mandate. Britain gave one half of Israel but that wasn't enough for those swines they cause 2 wars against israel (which they lost embarrassingly) and therefor Israel is an official country while Arabs occupying the west bank are just hanging by a thread. free jews
Stop talking about a WEST BANK. There is no such thing, except the narrow land alongside the Jordan River & Dead Sea, which is not what u are talking about.
Now look at ur map of Mandate Palestine & once & for all stop talking about making a Palestinian state, a 2 state solution. There already is a Palestinian state; it is called JORDAN. Israel W of the Jordan is much less than 1/2 of that area. Why make a 2nd Palestinian state, this one carved out of W Israel??? U gonna then divvy up again & give 'em a 3rd? then a 4th?
Wrong. The authoritative document regarding all of Eretz Israel, all 12 tribes on it, is the Bible. Go read the boundaries. 1/2 of Joshua concerns the boundaries. Ezekiel 40-48 concerns future boundaries. Go read the promises to Abe in Genesis. For crying out loud. The UN has no say in this.
@Thunkful2 I am very thankful for this open confession that it is useless to debate with Israelis and their supporters. They deny the existence of international law and say that only their God says what is right or wrong. I call this theocratic fascism as evil for the world as islamic fundamentalism.
Look at your map. A bank is a narrow piece of territory alongside a river or lake. This "west bank" goes 1/2 way across Israel to towards the Mediterranean Sea. It is no bank. Call it by its names: Ephraim, Manasseh, Judah, etc.
@Jeansschwimmer Give me a break. When the Arabs actually agree on this let me know. To be clear Israel has made more than two offers to the ARABS residence of the former British zone. Israel offerin them 96% and 94% of the West Bank with exchanges to equal the rest. SOOOO why did they turn it down? We are in a POST-Peace time period now. As we have seen the Arabs have no interest in peace and only removing the Jews from the area West of the Jordan.
@birch62 Why was Rabin shot? Who shot him? What that an Arab?
What would happen to any Israeli PM who sat down with the Arabs to agree on a two state solution that includes a dissolution of that illegal settlements on stolen land?
He would not survive the next election ( if he survived at all).
I am not happy about the Arab stupidity at all, though, because it creats a thick fog that makes it easy for Israel's fascims to cover its true intentions.
what do you want to tell us? you arfe magior lier and top terrorist. your maniupolations of history is poor. palastine is occopied since 1948. the UN parting of palastine is illegal
Israel is a state that was offered by the west and the British occupying forces to the Zionists , while the most of the 600000 Jews who were there at the time were migrants , and although the Arabs did not accept the partition plan , theirs was a voice in the wildenes , the voice of the people who lived there for centuries was ignored , israel was imposed on the palestenians and the neighbering countries ,,,, for me , this is a war decleration , this is the root cause of the problem
israel want peace by settelments , blockade , israel wants peace by preventing 5million palestenians from returning to their land , if that is how israel hopes for peace , then it is a strange kind of peace to hope for
No nation recognizes it as sovereignty territory since WW1? Bull. After WW1 it was recognized as British Territory until it 1948, where it was split into 3 countries, Israel, Palestine and Jordan. After the 1948 war Jordan occupied the West Bank but it was only occupied, just as Israel has since the 6 day war. And 104 countries officially recognize the Palestinian authority as the government of the territory of the West Bank and Gaze. No nation my ass.
I think this man is right, it looks Arab will walk to Israel, I heared millions of Egyptian ready to walk with no guns, the same as in Syria....History repeat it self, the 1940 is coming back soon...specialy the world are looking for financial problem scapegoat...will be again the Jew...WHO WILL BE NEW HILTLER....in Europe they are realy waiting that with jew HAHAHAHAHA
you dont understand anything..you right it looks like 1940 s again ...the world did not change ..but the Jews though ---did..anybody who will extend their hands on Israel , be that millions of Egyptians or Iranians or Turks --will extend their legs ..horizontally..
@Kbrt111 don´t answer me as private, i´m not interesting, we all write and we all read in the same page!!!!!!! and what will happen dosn´t need to expert to understand, you saw by your self how 80 millions Egyptian hate Israel and burn them flag...this is the best answer for you.....and Israel NEVER live peace and NEVER his ppl live in secure without stopping killing and stolen Palestinian land....as you know I don´t understand but this is what i see by narrow mind ...don´t address to me answer
LoL...you just cant take it that Israel is around and moving ahead )) you threatening with this and that...we dont givah shit.. again --you can blabber your shit--stolen land blah blah...extend your fucken hands on israel and you will be going to your god or allah or satan...does not matter who, but you will be going .
@Kbrt111 the same old propaganda , israelis are victims even when they are aggressors , and the others are aggressors even when they are victims , israelis are natives even when they are migrants and the others are migrants even when they are natives , israelis should stop lying to them selves because nothing will heart them more then their own lies
You are full of crap . Even this lousy exchange shows that you are : Shalit , barely walking , suffering from malnutrition , and Arabs from Israeli prisons? Well fed , looking healthy –like they have just left some sort of resort. .. Yet, people like you call Israelis Nazis ..well, anyways, all your crap is irrelevant. In 1947 –the state was created, and all your talk of migrants , or natives –does not matter and waste of time.
@Kbrt111 shalit is suffering from malnutrition ?well ,what about the palesteninans suffering malnutrition in gaza,maybe israel should have lifted the blockade imposed so that good nutrition can enter ,
maybe "my talk of migrants" does not matter for you , but i guess it only matters for those who care
@Kbrt111 i'm lying ? well if y do not beleive me , then u can ask your government about the flotilla aids that ir prevented from entering gaza , u can ask thel , maybe they always say the truth
you lying or you are lied to and repeating gladly their lies..there is no malnutrition in Gaza. Israel supplies Gaza with all food needs, gas, electricity, water. I could go on and on ..but its irrelevant --the people who talk crap about Israel like you do --dont care for facts
@Kbrt111 yesz obviously , anyone who contradicts the Israeli version is a liar , and Israel always says the truth ,,,,, and again , if u do not believe me then go and try to get in Gaza , u will see that nothing gets in or out of Gaza without the permission of Israel , no one can move without the permission of Israel , it is an open air prison ,in witch 1.5 million people are punished, but i guess that u do not care about them
oh ..nothing gets in and nothings gets out without the Israeli permission ..Wow!!!! So the fact that Gazans have elected and subscribe to the clearly stated goals by Hamas --to wipe the Jewish people out of existence is not something that bothers you?!!! ..TAKE A HIKE COCKROACH ...GO SUCK a MUSLIM COCK WHILE ITS still ATTACHED TO SOMETHING WITH THE BLOOD FLOWING IN IT..
go to your fucken mosque or any other shitty gathering (lefty or nazi one ) and enjoy support there..and pray to your stinky god , whoever he is , not to cross your ways with a person like me...
The Palestinians also have a border with Jordan and Egypt. Are they also controlled by Israel?!
What open air prison?! it's just a closed border! You don't like it? How about stop firing at our cities? Or stop calling for our destruction? Or anything that would imply some desire to stop this war?
I'm tired of brainwashed people who have no clue about the situation here.
@DaFLM I just wanted to respond to the last line about 'brainwashed people' I am not brainwashed but I know what goes on in Israel. But my comment is that How can anyone who does not live in Israel possibly understand what the situation is there. I can tell you about gang violence, about drugs moving into the cities but I cant tell you what its like to have someone living near me that wants me dead for not being like them, or worshipping their evil god. I havent a clue. Brainwashed? hardly : )
@DaFLM no clue about the situation?brainwashed?so first,yes,it seems that u don't know,but ALL the borders of what is still called Palestine is controlled by the Israelis,second,What open air prison?well,maybe you should try to get in there so you can verify by your self,so you can see that not only Hamas are victims of this blockade
if the 5 million Palestinian refugees are to return then there will be no more Israel,if that is what u call destruction,that is what is called Justice.
2. Borders - please check the internet again. How can Israel control the border with Egypt?!
3. Getting in shouldn't be a problem. Don't want to try it though, I value my life. Getting to Israel requires you to pass a checkpoint. You don't want to see a checkpoint? Stay in your country. Same as everywhere else...
4. The return of "refugees" is not justice but rather "Stupidity" or "Anti-Semitism" or being brainwashed...
Anti-Semitism has a certain meaning besides its literal one.Arabs being Semits has nothing to do with it. Only a person with a deep hatred towards Israel or the Jewish people can wish for a return of "Refugees". This unprecedented solution will destroy a modern state and create a new Islamic dictatorship, like the Hamas. There is no justice in this, only ignorance.The Arab countries have created this problem - they should have solved it (just like israel did with the Jewish refugees)
@Pledgeist I don't take justice only when it's good for me.
I just think you need to hate Israel (or be incredibly stupid) to think that "a return of refugees" can be called justice.
The truth is very simple - when the Arabs will choose their life over our death, peace over war and reality over eastern fantasies - there will be peace and Israel will be willing to pay for it. Just like we did with Egypt, or Jordan or did with the Disengagement plan...
@Pledgeist Hamas a victim???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH..... Hamas is the reason for the blockage. Hamas kills their own people. Hamas is the problem of Gaza, not Israel. Unbelievable.....
@fernandatralala Hamas won the election , and they have the right to fight the israeli occupation , but if israel hates so much HAMAS then it should ask it self who wanted and who helped HAMAS to gain more power in order to compete and destabilize with Yasser Arafat
@Pledgeist You call "fight" to launch rockets into civilians... commit suicide bombing at restaurantes, clubs, buses, etc... kill their own people with cruelty... claim for the killing of Jews and to Israel disappear. I call it TERRORISM. So, in my view you support terrorists.
@fernandatralala no , these are crimes that must be condemned just like when Israel destroys homes and lunches phosphor on civilians in Gaza , having said that , Palestinians still have the right to fight the occupation , whether they are demonized or not
@Pledgeist It's not ilegal to use phosphorus. Peter Herby (from Red Cross) said that "using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law, and that there was no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk."
@Razzy1623 It's amazing how the defenders of the countries ruled by terrorists are always so similar to them - agressive, haters and rude..... incapable of using arguments without cursing. Tsc, tsc, tsc...
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"Palestinians" killed my friend by blowing up a bus in Tel Aviv. He travelled from Scotland to Israel to attend university. His name was Yoni Jesner. After Yoni was killed in that senseless (and sponsored) assault, his mother donated his organs (kidneys) to a young "Palestinian" girl which saved her life. People have tried to extinguish the senseless hatred and stupidity with love and kindness. (From both Arab and Jew) I wonder, did you read about that in your "Palestinian" newspapers?
Let's not forget that Israelis also had a muslim president in the Knesset (Israeli Parliament). However these truths and facts don't sit well with the anti semitic crap beamed around the world by BabyLONDON's two false prophets: - Media & Press corp.
@Pledgeist Israel throws brochures and even call the people alerting about an attack in the area (that Hamas criminally uses to hide or launch rockets from), so then can move to another place and don't get hurt. Israel do not destroy houses in purpose. Hamas is responsable for the retaliation and defensive acts Israel has to make to guaranty the security of the civilians that Hamas target indiscriminately.
@Pledgeist Distort facts are not gonna make them true. Give up on trying to convince me that Hamas is the good guy acting with fair intentions. They use civilians houses as shield and afterwards they blame Israel for bombing it - watch?v=kBYtij4Q7sE West Bank was being occupied by Lebanon until 67. It's an area in dispute. It was not annexed by Israel. To throw rockets and suicide bombing is not a civilized way to reach a understanding. It's the barbarian way... These people need to evolute.
@fernandatralala as far as historical facts are concerned , Israel occupies Palestine since the day it was declared , and you want to blame those who lived there well before 48 ? they will never recognize an illegitimate state , it is hypocrisy to always portrait Israel as an innocent victim when the number of deaths and casualties is far higher in the other side
@Kbrt111 you see , you don´t respect another wishes....it´s typical Israelian way, don´t respect, stolen, kill, rap women, land.....so, piss off and look for something to do than bother ppl, anyway, I know better than you where Israel will go.......do somthing else GODBYE
agression to steal land.. yeah.. egypt, syria and jordan wanted to 'steal' the israeli land (and expell or opress or kill all the jews) but got their asses kicked in 6 days. open a history book. read what Natzer said before the war an tell me if its agressive enough 4 u. he said THE ARAB ARMIES ARE READY TO STORM ISRAEL AND DESTROY IT. (AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE WEST BANK WAS "OCCUPIED"). open a goddamn history book
4) Notice the emphasis on Jordan's annexation and occupation of the West Bank and says only two countries recognized Jordan as the sovereign...That's two more than have recognized Israel's sovereignty over in the West Bank! He then tells us that the UN considered Jordan to be occupying the West Bank...Maybe this would have been a good time to mention that the UN has and still considers Israel to be occupying the West Bank?
@steute2011 Israel has never annexed the west bank. It is disputed territory. If you read what the actual definition of occupation is you will see that it requires that a sovereign and recognized authority must be in control of the region in question. No authority has had such a claim over the west bank unless you count the Ottoman empire or Jordan (maybe thats why he mentioned it....) Therefore the west bank is disputed just like the Kashmir strip and Gibraltar.
@jonahfox Israel annexed East Jerusalem, which is considered part of the West Bank. He clearly stated that Jordan occupied the West Bank. So if Jordan occupied it and Israel took it from them, is it not still occupied only the name has changed, i.e., Jordan to Israel? This territory is only considered "disputed" by Israel, as the International Court of Justice and the UN have deemed it to be "occupied".
@steute2011 Jordan wasn't a recognized authority over the west bank. Technically you could say but wait maybe Jordan should get the west bank back? In the late 80s Jordan recanted their claim to the west bank therefore it is disputed territory. Remember that the majority of countries in the UN are anti-west and therefore anti-israel and therefore will support resolutions that favor their own agenda. It was originally called the communist-islamic voting block and it still exists even with no USSR
@jonahfox Jordan did not recant their claim to the West Bank, but rather ceded it to the PLO. The UN is the same body to recognize Israel as a state with full membership in 1948, with over 120 votes in favor. The ICJ is comprised of 15 judges, of which 3 are from Muslim countries, the others are from China, USA, Germany, New Zealand, Mexico, UK, France, Brazil, Slovakia, Japan and Russia. The vote was not even close and to assert that all of these countries are "anti-west", is absurd.
@steute2011 Still to call the west bank occupied is inconsistent with the definition of occupation. And many top judges and legal scholars etc etc have agreed with this conclusion.
@jonahfox I am not aware of any such "top" Judges or legal scholars, who hold that opinion. If you will provide me with some names, I would love to read their basis for such an opinion.
@steute2011 Stephen M. Schwebel of the international court of justice and Eugene V. Rostow the dean of Yale law school (one of the most prestigious law schools) for starters.
@jonahfox I have just read a few selected writings by the Judge, since I found that him to be most pertinent to international law. I thought he made a great argument from his own perspective. I thought however that he failed to sight a clear and defined international law that made Israels attack legally self defense. He pointed out, as you did the many provocative things that Egypt did prior, but failed to link any of such actions to be an act of war.
3)The British Mandate for Palestine, as he first indicates, called for the establishment of a homeland for the Jews IN Palestine. He then follows it up by changing IN to ALL of Palestine. The Mandate clearly recognized a non-Jewish population in Palestine, who's civil and religious rights were not to be prejudiced.
2) Resolution 242 did in fact call for the withdrawal from territories occupied after the 1967 war, based on the premise of the inadmissibility of territory by war...The test was what territories were occupied in such? The West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza. The fact that they did not use "the" or "all" is just a matter of playing semantics.
1) Israel was not deemed to have acted in self defense in the war of 1967, instead the UN decided not to declare an aggressor when drafting resolution 242. Israel launched a surprise attack against Egypt and therefore officially starting the war. Either way, there is no clause in international law that allows you to keep territory acquired by war.
First of all, a preemptive strike is not considered an act of self defense, as it predicts an attack from the other side. Most scholars and historians reject preemptive strikes as a defensive act and it was also rejected by the UN when drafting resolution 242. As a member nation of the UN, Israel was supposed to get authorization for this action, but did no such thing. While there were undoubtedly provocative actions by Egypt, there was no act or declaration of war.
@steute2011 They tell you they are going to kill you, they station troops around your borders and engage in an act that they know will be considered an act of war which cuts off your oil supply. Also you know that you are about to face several armies on three fronts. What idiot would not engage in a preemptive strike? Would you? Would you just sit back and cross your fingers?
@jonahfox A number of senior Israeli military and political figures have subsequently admitted that Israel was not faced with a genuine threat of attack, and instead, deliberately chose war. Yitzhak Rabin, the Israeli army chief of staff during the war, later stated: "I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it." (i) General Mattityahu Peled, (CONT.)>>>>
@jonahfox a member of Israel's general staff in 1967, opined that "the thesis according to which the danger of genocide weighed on us in June 1967, and that Israel struggled for its physical existence is only a bluff born and developed after the war." (ii) Menachem Begin, not yet prime minister but a member of the Israeli cabinet, allowed that: "The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. CONT>
@steute2011 Did you just copy and paste that from one of Norman Finklestein's screeds? The quote from Menachem Begin only expressed the possibility of doubt. Yes, if someone puts a gun to your head they may not pull the trigger. But what idiot would want someone to put a gun to your head, threaten to kill you and block off your oil supply? Yitzhak Rabin, though a good man, we know his opinion's cant be taken seriously... This is the guy who actually believed he could trust Arafat.
@jonahfox I actually did copy and paste, but not from any NF source. This information is readily available trough many sources. Your interpretation, as well as my own, of what justifies a preemptive strike, is really of no consequence when it comes to the way international law determines this. I am simply echoing the decisions of the bodies charged with doing so. So even if I agree with you that Israel was justified morally, which I do...It does not change the legal status of that action.
@steute2011 When it comes to war I would dare you to find any country that acted in a totally legal fashion completely in line with "international law." You won't because nobody would because doing so would require them to put themselves and their troops at a far greater risk and nobody would do that.
@jonahfox At this juncture we are debating defense vs offensive. On that point, of course there are many example of countries that acted legally with aggression to an attack, i.e., Israel in 1948. Certainly I would never argue that most wars did not involved some form of war crimes. I also do not argue as to the moral correctness of Israels actions in 1967, but rather the legal definition of self defense in war, in order to rebut the claim that Israel acquired the WB in a war of self defense.
@steute2011 The legal issue, to me, is irrelevant and trivial. When it comes down to it "international law" means nothing and everyone knows it and acts as such. Do you really believe the PA will keep up the end of their deal? Hamas could easily take over. They have very strong support in the west bank. Look at this survey:
@steute2011 Resolution 242 also states that Israel has the right to secure and defensible borders. The 1967 borders are not secure or defensible at all.
@jonahfox Resolution 242 does not call for defensible borders, as this would be subjective. What it did call for was secure and recognized boundaries. How does any body determine this to mean you can keep all or any part of the occupied territories...Is beyond me?
@steute2011 To have a secure border means that it must be defensible because otherwise how are you going to secure it? You determine it through negotiations or accepting one of the numerous offers that Israel has given them. You act as though Israel is obligated to commit suicide.
@jonahfox The assertion that Israel can not defend 1967 borders contradicts history, as they have already done so on several occasions. In 1948 they successfully defended borders that were significantly smaller than the 1967 borders. They successfully defended the 1967 borders in the 6 day war and several times since. Also, there seems to be an emphasis on Israels security and not that of the Palestinians, even though it calls for both parties to have such.
@steute2011 Take a flight to Israel and drive along the coast where 70+% of the population live and almost all the industry. Look east and you will see the hills of the west bank. Think about how Gazans launch rockets on the neighboring Israeli towns and realize that the people in the west bank would likely do the same thing. Then what? Another war? Look at recent polls in the west bank showing that the majority is against two-state solution and believe all of Israel should be destroyed.
@jonahfox I have no illusions about Israels very real security concerns. Unfortunately the international community does not accept this as a justification for the continued occupation, settlements and human rights violations. Given the peace treaties in place with Egypt and Jordan, which have held for quite some time, I just assume it could work with the Palestinians. I do not see how it will be possible to maintain the current status quo. I believe the occupation, is short sighted.
@steute2011 The situation with Egypt and Jordan is not analogous at all since the majority of Palestinians are still saying that they want to take over all of Israel. The Egyptians and Jordanians are not, obviously. The international community is short sighted in its optimism that the Pal's wont simply use a state in the west bank as a step toward their long-term goals (which they admit). I don't know the solution but a PA state on 67 lines will result in many deaths and even more war.
@jonahfox I must say, I respectfully disagree with assessment. Granted there are some, maybe even many Palestinians who have a more sinister agenda in gaining the West Bank as part of their state, i.e., capturing the entire Israel. However, I do not believe that if Israel pulled out, that they would not be able to immediately retake it and with minimal casualties. If Israel withdrew voluntarily the international community would immediately praise her and (CONT.)>>>>
@steute2011 If she were attacked by any Muslim country, the international community would not only support her, but perhaps even fight with her. I realize the risk that Israel would be taking, but I also believe that Israel has one of the most technologically advanced weapons systems in the world and would therefore be able to respond instantaneously to any type of attack before there was any significant damage done. Just my thoughts?
@steute2011 I could imagine a situation similar to Gaza. Israel pulls out hoping things to turn out for the best. Armed thugs start launching rockets on Israeli cities. Israel responds and the international community condemns Israel. Now 70% of the population along the coast has to live in constant fear of attack. And then they start pushing for more and start pushing the refugee issue even though nobody seems to give a damn about the 700,000 people displaced from Arab countries.
@jonahfox I don't want to nit pick with you, because I believe there is something very genuine about you and your concerns for Israels safety. However, Israels withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, was merely a transfer of settlers from to the West Bank and they also kept control of the borders, air space and sea ports. So, I don't know that it could really be viewed as a true move for peace. I am one who completely agrees with Israels position on the refugee issue...compensation for true refugees...it!
@steute2011 Still prior to the enactment of the blockade, following Hamas' takeover/electoral victory, the disengagement did allow for the possibility of the path toward a better life for the people of Gaza. This could have occurred but Hamas is in my opinion in some ways even worse than Nazi Germany. If the people of Gaza recognize Israel and denounce violence the blockade would end.
@jonahfox When I talk to people like you, I can sense the tragedy that this conflict has brought upon both peoples. I can not help my weakness for the plight of the Palestinian people (not including HAMAS). I believe that although I try not to, I sometimes lose sight of the fact that the Israeli people are also victims in this and suffer just the same. I apologize if I have not shown that in our discussion.
@steute2011 In all honesty I have not spoken to someone with views similar to yours that has expressed this level of empathy for the Israeli position. The majority of people that I have spoken to both on youtube and even at University have almost without exception been terribly one-sided and turned it into some sort of emotive populist struggle that is simplified into "good vs evil." This contributes to my inability to trust the international community if say a Pal state became into what I fear.
@steute2011 I do have family in Israel and I have spent a few summers there. I worked on a Kibbutz for one and it was great. People overestimate the segregation between Arabs and Jews in Israel. I was even surprised when I met a Muslim who was working there and getting along with everyone just fine. I wouldn't have known he was Arab until I learned that his name was Mohammad. My relatives who live in Jerusalem (west) send their kids to a mixed Jewish and Arab school to attempt to bridge the gap.
@jonahfox I have always been found of the Jewish people. So much so, that I married a Jewish woman, who is still my wife after 10 yrs. My Father-in-Law is a Russian born Jew, who immigrated to Israel upon her birth and now lives here in the USA. I sometimes struggle to think that some people do not believe it is even possible for Jews and Muslims to co-exist in peace. The Jewish people have some of the best minds in the world and they must use that gift to solve this conflict. Thanks for sharing
@steute2011 Last point... my hypothesis for the seemingly large amount of Jewish success is that it results from the hardships they had to endure for over 2000 years. During this long period the amount of pressures and difficulties that they faced in order to make a living and survive was greater and therefore it became part of the culture to work extremely hard and to cultivate their skills and talents to the greatest extent possible.
@steute2011 (cont..) Its sick. Do you realize that the Pal refugees are being used as political weapons against Israel. No time in history has a refugee crisis lasted this long/. Even King Abdullah of Jordan recognized this. The population growth rate of the refugees is huge. I honestly can see them encouraging the refugees to have many children so that they can use them as a political weapon. Demonizing Israel. Even the refugees in oil rich Saudi Arabia live in secluded camps with no rights....
@steute2011 (cont...) and they claim it is because they want to protect their "heritage" even though the very notion of a Palestinian was created as a response to Zionism. I really see this issue as not having to do with human rights at all. I want to see people advocating against the occupation of Cyprus and the treatment of Kurds and Palestinians in Arab countries. It seems like it really is just about those "evil Jews" no?
@jonahfox There's definitely a major imbalance in the way Jews are demonized, in comparison to other people and country whom commit the most heinous atrocities against humans imaginable. I personally never bought into the whole Jews want to take over the world conspiracy. They just happen to be pretty bright and especially good in certain fields, so they tend to dominate those fields. I know it's cheesy of me, but I just want there to be peace for all peoples in all places. Unrealistic?
@steute2011 I do to. I think everyone does at some level. Its all about paranoia of what the Other might do. That is the basis of this. I propose that Jews and Arabs across the middle east are forced to attend group therapy sessions and play softball (or some other benign activity) together. It is also jealousy, Israel pops out of nowhere and defeats Egypt that has been there for thousands of years. Not to mention the Jewish nobel prizes, other academic and financial success.
@jonahfox It's funny that you mention that. I watched a video about a peace camp, where they brought together young Palestinians & Israeli Jews and they spent a few days together. At the end many of them had become friends and they shed a few tears with each other. It was quite moving. I think your idea is great. I wish you much success in life, which I am sure you either have already or are well on your way to achieving.
@steute2011 Even the PLO was caught recently admitting that the two-state solution would only be part of a long-term goal to eliminate all of Israel? Have you heard of the phased plan? Check it out. Why would anyone want to give someone who tells you they want to destroy you access to hills surrounding your most populated areas where they could easily take aim at your civilians. Its hard to imagine how small it is until you see it for yourself. They could just sit on the hills and shoot.
If this is historically accurate, and it seems so, then the correct pre 1967 borders would be those set up in 1922. Is it possible that today's politicians don't have a grasp of the facts of the matter? They should listen to this, and have it verified. This is not an emotional issue, it is about fairness and common sense. Look at the size of Jordan.
Very good video that explains clearly what many don't know... that the borders of the Middle East were created in an artificial way by Britain and France, and later on by wars that the Arab countries opened.
Israel has EVERY RIGHT to keep these lands, or part of them (as Israel wishes) according to the Israeli interests, NOT Arab / European/ foreign interests.
- - WHY do ignorant people of the world forget that Palestinians are the races of Jews who NEVER left this land, and later on converted to ISLAM??? They are the real dwelllers of this land since ages. They became Muslims but that doesnt mean the land is not theirs any more!
Jews are those cursed ones who left these lands and now are getting back here for final scene ie they all will be slaughtered here by Jesus and his army. So its a good thing, Muslims wont have to go looking for them.
JohnnyRock, what are you talking about? there are currently 56 majority Islamic countries, 49 Roman Catholic, 20 Protestant, 12 Eastern Orthodox and 4Hindu. There is only ONE country with a majority Jewish population and you have the balls to call only that one 'racist' because it's for Jews .BTW, 20% are Arabs...can you point to even one Muslim country where Jews are even 1% of the population ?
You can't because such a country does not exist. Face it buddy, YOU ARE A TRUE RACIST...pure & simple
@alonabd your country Israel was built on the suffering and killing of my nation the Palestinians, what majority you talking about, Israel has sorounding region of Arab countries, you cant take that part and call it Israel, but since you have sacret places here and you love this land, I invite you to live in peace among locals, and enjoy being where you want to be, but to seperate that part and call israel, and cause misery to others and all theise crimes jews did , it is not accepted at all
Please read Samual Longhorn (Mark Twain) book: The innocents abroad, come to talk to me after.
Arabs destroyed the land, partially as a part of their defence programme against the return of crusaders. Hence, the land was lying devastated and empty for hundreds of years.
Israel is built with the blood and sweat of Zionist Jews. The part suffering, crime and misery is all due to Arabs.
Some of you people are truly ignorant. you continuously talk about 'white' Jews whose place in Israel you dispute.How about the more than 50% of the population who are sephardic (dark skinned) Jews, many whom have been living in the area for centuries? Considerably longer than a large portion of the so called 'Palestinians' who migrated to the area in the late 1800's only after Jews had cleared the swamps of malaria and made the area economically viable.Many of you simply prefer to stay ignorant
@alonabd again, you say people immigrated in 1800, and from where, from Syria ? Lebanon? Jordan, are you crazy, do you really believe that there is any place on earth have no people living in it ?? Palestine was empty for 2000 waiting for you to return ?? do you really believe in that ? comon, swamps were near Tiberias only, 2000 years of history is even double the time you ever spend in Palestine, white people do not belong to holy land, point
@abdx7777 - perhaps you don't know, but 70% of the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs who live now in Israel are decendants of Arabs who immigrated from Arab countries in the 19-20 centuries - mostly from Iraq, Syria, Saudi-Arabia, and Egypt (but also from Jordan, Lebanon and even Sudan). There are many evidense for that... like the last names of some palestinian "Hamulot" that indicate they come from Iraq, or Syria.. so palestinians are like Israelis in that regard - most of them immigrated.
@abdx7777 The current Zionist spin is that hidden amongst their European DNA is semitic DNA. That theory has now been stretched to state that no matter how they look their DNA is unchanged for thousands of years. Also stated is that they appear white now, simply because they moved from the Middle East and that it is merely a superficial change to deal with climate change, that underneath they are pure and unchanged Middle East semites.
@JohnnyRock2000 all humans are the same back to Adam, but still now some of humans are white, some are black, in middle east we are brown mainly, jews are not, so simply, they dont belong to middle east, and about why they are white, it is because of intermarriages with europeans for the last 2000 years, then judisim is religeon, there should not be a state Israel only for jews, that is racist way, geography has nothing to do with believe
@abdx7777what are you talking about? there are currently 56 majority Islamic countries, 49 Roman Catholic, 20 Protestant, 12 Eastern Orthodox and 4Hindu. There is only ONE country with a majority Jewish population and you have the balls to call only that one 'racist' because it's for Jews .BTW, 20% are Arabs...can you point to even one Muslim country where Jews are even 1% of the population
You can't because such a country does not exist. Face it buddy, YOU ARE A TRUE RACIST...pure & simple
palestine never existed as a NATION...How van it be occupied land?Jordan has the arab side why should the Arabs create yet another land,,JORDAN IS PALESTINE!
@chrisifiles you are wrong, look at old map of what you calling Israel , it shows state of Pelestia by the coatal line, and phiniqia to the north, and petra to south, so..
that is clear fact about palestinian origin, they were there even before jews
The Arabs really screwed up by not accepting the UN partition plan. If they had there would never have been any israelis in the westbank...so in a way the Arabs brought this problem upon themselves.
Nobody was able to claim sovereignity over the Westbank: So I shall do it now!! I claim legal possession of it in the name of my God and Country, the Noodle Monster.
Jeansschwimmer 3 weeks ago 2
@Jeansschwimmer I really like the comment you sent me. It is right on the mark, but you didn't include { The Butch } Ariel Sharon. Is old Ariel still on life support? dizzbear
dizzbear 1 week ago
@dizzbear Neither God nor the devil seem mto like his company- like an "undead" vampire he is still among us. The hospital sent him home- he is under care of his family now on his huge ranch. Do you know about the house he restored for his personal use ( one of his bigest lies ever)?
It is a tradidional cubical house of natural stone in the heart of Jerusalem's Muslim Quarter. He topped it with a gigantic menorah and an Israeli flag hangs from . That was his idea of peaceful living with Arabs.
Jeansschwimmer 1 week ago
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Jordan Hypocrisy - Palestinians and UNRWA by al-Hussein
firstonethrough 4 weeks ago
Zionist Lies!
-Transjordan never included anything to the west of the River Jordan.
-The entire area now called "Israel" including the West Bank and Gaza, was the BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE from 1922-1948 (Google it)
-Jewish refugees arrived as a result of influence of the Anglo American Committee set up between the British & the Americans, who allowed 100,000 Jews to enter Palestine!
-When the British White Paper decided to limit the number of Jewish refugees, more arrived illegally!
YumiOfLyoko 4 weeks ago
The US did not require an external mandate to return
lands taken in some conflicts - Germany, Phillipines, Cuba, Panama, Grenada, etc.
Just saying.
peopleofthecircle 4 weeks ago
better details here:
Jordan Hypocrisy - Palestinians and UNRWA
about how Jordanians treated the arabs in Palestine and keep them in camps larger than those in the WB, dont give any money for their aid, etc
firstonethrough 1 month ago
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Palestines ruled over Israel for 2000 years. 1948 the zionists stole it, from them and killed them
/watch?v=QxgVv0D5bHY
It is OK for jews to kill gentiles according to the Sanhedrin in the Babylonian Talmud.
"Tob Shebbe goyim harog"-Kill the best gentiles!
When god gave Israel to "his people" they were commanded to kill everyone. Take prisoners for slaves only your the neighbours, says the Torah.
hfe22 1 month ago
jordan should take the west bank back
SeizuresHD 1 month ago
@SeizuresHD
the jews should take the rest of palestine back (jordan) and punish london for sewing the seeds of generations of slaughter and death (for oil rights) while they're at it..
laughinbudda13 3 weeks ago
the funny thing he said palestine few times lmao
TheClaycreatures 1 month ago
He convienently forgets to mentions that Palestine west of the Jordan was divided in a Jewsih and an Arab state by the UN. What an asshole this guy is.
93rardo 1 month ago
It was all part of the Ottoman empire ruled by Muslims
YUSKHAN 2 months ago
@YUSKHAN And before that It was part of the Roman Empire ruled by Christians. Whats your point?
ChannelGameshow 1 month ago
@ChannelGameshow
the point is that arab muslims fought with the jewdeochristian zionist worst enemies of islam against the Ottoman empire their muslim brothers to create isreal, the ottoman would never allow it
YUSKHAN 1 month ago
@YUSKHAN Well its not like the Arabs knew it :P
But the Ottomans deserved to lose the land, they launched a War of Agression against Russia, the UK and France
ChannelGameshow 1 month ago
@ChannelGameshow
We all now the dirty zionist Jews started ww1 and ww2 soon ww3 do you remember before ww1 there was a plan by jewish banker rothchild to create isreal, Germany was about to win the first ww1 but the german jew promised briton they would get US into the war if they gave them Palestine Germans lost the ww1 because of the jewish and jewish communist betrayal do you think that the jews in Germany would be safe after what they did, read history
YUSKHAN 1 month ago
@YUSKHAN The Jews did not make up a significant population in the US to do anything. The Germans lost WWI before the Americans arrived, and they wouldn't get Palestine in any case had the Ottomans not launched a war of agression.
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laughinbudda13 2 months ago
@laughinbudda13 Israel has never had a muslin prime minister. What history books have you been reading? Israel is a land stealing fascist state.
dizzbear 1 month ago
@dizzbear Israel must have had at least two muslim PMs: Both M. Begin and I. Shamir were terrorists. According to Israel's propaganda, terrorism is of muslim origin.
Therefore those two PMs must have been Arabs.
Jeansschwimmer 3 weeks ago
what STUPID people seem not understand is the name Palestine was given to the JEWS as an insult, theirs no such things as a Palestinian Arab that's false propaganda made up by Muslims to try and take Israel, this false propaganda can be learned through history by reading about Emperor Hadrian of Rome 136 BC (the person who gave Jewish Israelite's the name Palestine) and reading the history of the ottoman empire who gave the Arabs Israel and renamed it Palestine! theirs no way around the facts!
alydamarte 2 months ago
@alydamarte Palestine was never an official state or country. after the fall of the ottoman empire the stupid Syrians (so called Palestinians) who occupied Israel resisted exile by siding with the British and concluding with a British mandate. Britain gave one half of Israel but that wasn't enough for those swines they cause 2 wars against israel (which they lost embarrassingly) and therefor Israel is an official country while Arabs occupying the west bank are just hanging by a thread. free jews
alydamarte 2 months ago
@alydamarte
If there is no such thing as an Palestinian Arab than there is no such thing as a Jordan Arab, etc.
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ليس هناك فلسطين
There is no Palestine
YOSEF22ADAR 3 months ago
Stop talking about a WEST BANK. There is no such thing, except the narrow land alongside the Jordan River & Dead Sea, which is not what u are talking about.
Thunkful2 3 months ago
Now look at ur map of Mandate Palestine & once & for all stop talking about making a Palestinian state, a 2 state solution. There already is a Palestinian state; it is called JORDAN. Israel W of the Jordan is much less than 1/2 of that area. Why make a 2nd Palestinian state, this one carved out of W Israel??? U gonna then divvy up again & give 'em a 3rd? then a 4th?
Thunkful2 3 months ago
Wrong. The authoritative document regarding all of Eretz Israel, all 12 tribes on it, is the Bible. Go read the boundaries. 1/2 of Joshua concerns the boundaries. Ezekiel 40-48 concerns future boundaries. Go read the promises to Abe in Genesis. For crying out loud. The UN has no say in this.
Thunkful2 3 months ago
@Thunkful2 I am very thankful for this open confession that it is useless to debate with Israelis and their supporters. They deny the existence of international law and say that only their God says what is right or wrong. I call this theocratic fascism as evil for the world as islamic fundamentalism.
Jeansschwimmer 1 week ago
Look at your map. A bank is a narrow piece of territory alongside a river or lake. This "west bank" goes 1/2 way across Israel to towards the Mediterranean Sea. It is no bank. Call it by its names: Ephraim, Manasseh, Judah, etc.
Thunkful2 3 months ago
JORDAN=PALESTINE
birch62 3 months ago
@birch62 Good idea! no place for this Israel then?
The UN has spoken and has divided the disputed land to make as much peace as possible.
Both the Arabs and the Israelis have to accept that. Israel must be confined to its 1967 boundaries.
Jeansschwimmer 1 week ago
@Jeansschwimmer Give me a break. When the Arabs actually agree on this let me know. To be clear Israel has made more than two offers to the ARABS residence of the former British zone. Israel offerin them 96% and 94% of the West Bank with exchanges to equal the rest. SOOOO why did they turn it down? We are in a POST-Peace time period now. As we have seen the Arabs have no interest in peace and only removing the Jews from the area West of the Jordan.
birch62 2 days ago
@birch62 Why was Rabin shot? Who shot him? What that an Arab?
What would happen to any Israeli PM who sat down with the Arabs to agree on a two state solution that includes a dissolution of that illegal settlements on stolen land?
He would not survive the next election ( if he survived at all).
I am not happy about the Arab stupidity at all, though, because it creats a thick fog that makes it easy for Israel's fascims to cover its true intentions.
Jeansschwimmer 1 day ago
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fuck off fucking zionist killer
teedeearr 4 months ago
what do you want to tell us? you arfe magior lier and top terrorist. your maniupolations of history is poor. palastine is occopied since 1948. the UN parting of palastine is illegal
IMTAL 4 months ago
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Israel is a state that was offered by the west and the British occupying forces to the Zionists , while the most of the 600000 Jews who were there at the time were migrants , and although the Arabs did not accept the partition plan , theirs was a voice in the wildenes , the voice of the people who lived there for centuries was ignored , israel was imposed on the palestenians and the neighbering countries ,,,, for me , this is a war decleration , this is the root cause of the problem
Pledgeist 4 months ago
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israel want peace by settelments , blockade , israel wants peace by preventing 5million palestenians from returning to their land , if that is how israel hopes for peace , then it is a strange kind of peace to hope for
Pledgeist 4 months ago
War of Self Defence my ass. All propaganda bullshit. Just attempted justification for ethnic cleansing.
JuniMajnoony 4 months ago
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Who will compensate the my family? After Nasser (Egyptian president) expell from Egypt, all the Jews and confiscated their property!
Million Jews were deported and brutal murdered in Arab countries! progroms
in Egypt, Libya, Tunis Morocco Syria Lebanon Iran Iraq Yemen, and more...
Ask why today is no Jewish communities there? Why not mention it?
Read Wikipedia: "Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries"
yuvaly357 4 months ago
No nation recognizes it as sovereignty territory since WW1? Bull. After WW1 it was recognized as British Territory until it 1948, where it was split into 3 countries, Israel, Palestine and Jordan. After the 1948 war Jordan occupied the West Bank but it was only occupied, just as Israel has since the 6 day war. And 104 countries officially recognize the Palestinian authority as the government of the territory of the West Bank and Gaze. No nation my ass.
dave19941000 5 months ago
I think this man is right, it looks Arab will walk to Israel, I heared millions of Egyptian ready to walk with no guns, the same as in Syria....History repeat it self, the 1940 is coming back soon...specialy the world are looking for financial problem scapegoat...will be again the Jew...WHO WILL BE NEW HILTLER....in Europe they are realy waiting that with jew HAHAHAHAHA
SuperThesamman 6 months ago
@SuperThesamman
you dont understand anything..you right it looks like 1940 s again ...the world did not change ..but the Jews though ---did..anybody who will extend their hands on Israel , be that millions of Egyptians or Iranians or Turks --will extend their legs ..horizontally..
Kbrt111 5 months ago
@Kbrt111 don´t answer me as private, i´m not interesting, we all write and we all read in the same page!!!!!!! and what will happen dosn´t need to expert to understand, you saw by your self how 80 millions Egyptian hate Israel and burn them flag...this is the best answer for you.....and Israel NEVER live peace and NEVER his ppl live in secure without stopping killing and stolen Palestinian land....as you know I don´t understand but this is what i see by narrow mind ...don´t address to me answer
SuperThesamman 5 months ago
@SuperThesamman
LoL...you just cant take it that Israel is around and moving ahead )) you threatening with this and that...we dont givah shit.. again --you can blabber your shit--stolen land blah blah...extend your fucken hands on israel and you will be going to your god or allah or satan...does not matter who, but you will be going .
Kbrt111 5 months ago
@Kbrt111 the same old propaganda , israelis are victims even when they are aggressors , and the others are aggressors even when they are victims , israelis are natives even when they are migrants and the others are migrants even when they are natives , israelis should stop lying to them selves because nothing will heart them more then their own lies
Pledgeist 4 months ago
@Pledgeist
You are full of crap . Even this lousy exchange shows that you are : Shalit , barely walking , suffering from malnutrition , and Arabs from Israeli prisons? Well fed , looking healthy –like they have just left some sort of resort. .. Yet, people like you call Israelis Nazis ..well, anyways, all your crap is irrelevant. In 1947 –the state was created, and all your talk of migrants , or natives –does not matter and waste of time.
Kbrt111 4 months ago
@Kbrt111 shalit is suffering from malnutrition ?well ,what about the palesteninans suffering malnutrition in gaza,maybe israel should have lifted the blockade imposed so that good nutrition can enter ,
maybe "my talk of migrants" does not matter for you , but i guess it only matters for those who care
Pledgeist 4 months ago
@Pledgeist
who is suffering in Gaza from malnutrition? you lying ..unfortunetly ..I wish you were right
Kbrt111 4 months ago
@Kbrt111 i'm lying ? well if y do not beleive me , then u can ask your government about the flotilla aids that ir prevented from entering gaza , u can ask thel , maybe they always say the truth
Pledgeist 4 months ago
@Pledgeist
you lying or you are lied to and repeating gladly their lies..there is no malnutrition in Gaza. Israel supplies Gaza with all food needs, gas, electricity, water. I could go on and on ..but its irrelevant --the people who talk crap about Israel like you do --dont care for facts
Kbrt111 4 months ago
@Kbrt111 yesz obviously , anyone who contradicts the Israeli version is a liar , and Israel always says the truth ,,,,, and again , if u do not believe me then go and try to get in Gaza , u will see that nothing gets in or out of Gaza without the permission of Israel , no one can move without the permission of Israel , it is an open air prison ,in witch 1.5 million people are punished, but i guess that u do not care about them
Pledgeist 4 months ago
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@Pledgeist
oh ..nothing gets in and nothings gets out without the Israeli permission ..Wow!!!! So the fact that Gazans have elected and subscribe to the clearly stated goals by Hamas --to wipe the Jewish people out of existence is not something that bothers you?!!! ..TAKE A HIKE COCKROACH ...GO SUCK a MUSLIM COCK WHILE ITS still ATTACHED TO SOMETHING WITH THE BLOOD FLOWING IN IT..
Kbrt111 4 months ago
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@Pledgeist
SINCE if Jews like me take over Israel , borders of Gaza will be open , but there wont be any Hamas , all its membership will be expired))..
A humanitarian here, supposedly, but genocidal displays are just fine with him...what gets him going that Jews dare to defend themselves ..
Kbrt111 4 months ago
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@Pledgeist
go to your fucken mosque or any other shitty gathering (lefty or nazi one ) and enjoy support there..and pray to your stinky god , whoever he is , not to cross your ways with a person like me...
Kbrt111 4 months ago
@Pledgeist
The Palestinians also have a border with Jordan and Egypt. Are they also controlled by Israel?!
What open air prison?! it's just a closed border! You don't like it? How about stop firing at our cities? Or stop calling for our destruction? Or anything that would imply some desire to stop this war?
I'm tired of brainwashed people who have no clue about the situation here.
DaFLM 3 months ago
@DaFLM I just wanted to respond to the last line about 'brainwashed people' I am not brainwashed but I know what goes on in Israel. But my comment is that How can anyone who does not live in Israel possibly understand what the situation is there. I can tell you about gang violence, about drugs moving into the cities but I cant tell you what its like to have someone living near me that wants me dead for not being like them, or worshipping their evil god. I havent a clue. Brainwashed? hardly : )
TheMaverickChristian 3 months ago
@DaFLM no clue about the situation?brainwashed?so first,yes,it seems that u don't know,but ALL the borders of what is still called Palestine is controlled by the Israelis,second,What open air prison?well,maybe you should try to get in there so you can verify by your self,so you can see that not only Hamas are victims of this blockade
if the 5 million Palestinian refugees are to return then there will be no more Israel,if that is what u call destruction,that is what is called Justice.
Pledgeist 3 months ago
@Pledgeist
1. Unless you live here - you have no clue...
2. Borders - please check the internet again. How can Israel control the border with Egypt?!
3. Getting in shouldn't be a problem. Don't want to try it though, I value my life. Getting to Israel requires you to pass a checkpoint. You don't want to see a checkpoint? Stay in your country. Same as everywhere else...
4. The return of "refugees" is not justice but rather "Stupidity" or "Anti-Semitism" or being brainwashed...
DaFLM 3 months ago
@DaFLM if return of refugees means Anti-Semitisim to u ,well then, it says it all ,,,,,,,,,, and by the way arabs are also Semits , but never mind ,
Pledgeist 3 months ago
@Pledgeist
Anti-Semitism has a certain meaning besides its literal one.Arabs being Semits has nothing to do with it. Only a person with a deep hatred towards Israel or the Jewish people can wish for a return of "Refugees". This unprecedented solution will destroy a modern state and create a new Islamic dictatorship, like the Hamas. There is no justice in this, only ignorance.The Arab countries have created this problem - they should have solved it (just like israel did with the Jewish refugees)
DaFLM 3 months ago
@DaFLM "only an israel hater can wish the return of refugees" , if you take justice only when it is good for u , then we cannot have a dialogue
Pledgeist 3 months ago
@Pledgeist I don't take justice only when it's good for me.
I just think you need to hate Israel (or be incredibly stupid) to think that "a return of refugees" can be called justice.
The truth is very simple - when the Arabs will choose their life over our death, peace over war and reality over eastern fantasies - there will be peace and Israel will be willing to pay for it. Just like we did with Egypt, or Jordan or did with the Disengagement plan...
DaFLM 3 months ago
@DaFLM well , maybe you do not take justice only when it's good for you , but it seems that you surely do not take it when it does not back you
Pledgeist 2 months ago
@Pledgeist Hamas a victim???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH..... Hamas is the reason for the blockage. Hamas kills their own people. Hamas is the problem of Gaza, not Israel. Unbelievable.....
fernandatralala 3 months ago
@fernandatralala Hamas won the election , and they have the right to fight the israeli occupation , but if israel hates so much HAMAS then it should ask it self who wanted and who helped HAMAS to gain more power in order to compete and destabilize with Yasser Arafat
Pledgeist 3 months ago
@Pledgeist You call "fight" to launch rockets into civilians... commit suicide bombing at restaurantes, clubs, buses, etc... kill their own people with cruelty... claim for the killing of Jews and to Israel disappear. I call it TERRORISM. So, in my view you support terrorists.
fernandatralala 3 months ago
@fernandatralala no , these are crimes that must be condemned just like when Israel destroys homes and lunches phosphor on civilians in Gaza , having said that , Palestinians still have the right to fight the occupation , whether they are demonized or not
Pledgeist 3 months ago
@Pledgeist It's not ilegal to use phosphorus. Peter Herby (from Red Cross) said that "using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law, and that there was no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk."
fernandatralala 3 months ago
@fernandatralala "no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way"
haaretz.com/news/human-rights-watch-israel-using-white-phosphorus-munitions-in-gaza-1.267854
From an Israeli newspaper as well, you fucking mouthbreather.
Razzy1623 3 months ago
@Razzy1623 It's amazing how the defenders of the countries ruled by terrorists are always so similar to them - agressive, haters and rude..... incapable of using arguments without cursing. Tsc, tsc, tsc...
"Sorry !
This page cannot be found.
Please use the Haaretz.com search to find the page you require"
fernandatralala 3 months ago
"Palestinians" killed my friend by blowing up a bus in Tel Aviv. He travelled from Scotland to Israel to attend university. His name was Yoni Jesner. After Yoni was killed in that senseless (and sponsored) assault, his mother donated his organs (kidneys) to a young "Palestinian" girl which saved her life. People have tried to extinguish the senseless hatred and stupidity with love and kindness. (From both Arab and Jew) I wonder, did you read about that in your "Palestinian" newspapers?
laughinbudda13 2 months ago
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Let's not forget that Israelis also had a muslim president in the Knesset (Israeli Parliament). However these truths and facts don't sit well with the anti semitic crap beamed around the world by BabyLONDON's two false prophets: - Media & Press corp.
Wish people would wake T.F. up!
laughinbudda13 1 month ago
@fernandatralala
haaretz.com/news/human-rights-watch-idf-phosphorous-bombs-in-gaza-violate-int-l-law-1.268038
haaretz.com/news/un-idf-officers-admitted-there-was-no-gunfire-from-gaza-school-which-was-shelled-1.267770
They also bomb schools.
Razzy1623 3 months ago
@Pledgeist Israel throws brochures and even call the people alerting about an attack in the area (that Hamas criminally uses to hide or launch rockets from), so then can move to another place and don't get hurt. Israel do not destroy houses in purpose. Hamas is responsable for the retaliation and defensive acts Israel has to make to guaranty the security of the civilians that Hamas target indiscriminately.
fernandatralala 3 months ago
@Pledgeist Distort facts are not gonna make them true. Give up on trying to convince me that Hamas is the good guy acting with fair intentions. They use civilians houses as shield and afterwards they blame Israel for bombing it - watch?v=kBYtij4Q7sE West Bank was being occupied by Lebanon until 67. It's an area in dispute. It was not annexed by Israel. To throw rockets and suicide bombing is not a civilized way to reach a understanding. It's the barbarian way... These people need to evolute.
fernandatralala 3 months ago
@fernandatralala as far as historical facts are concerned , Israel occupies Palestine since the day it was declared , and you want to blame those who lived there well before 48 ? they will never recognize an illegitimate state , it is hypocrisy to always portrait Israel as an innocent victim when the number of deaths and casualties is far higher in the other side
Pledgeist 2 months ago
@Kbrt111 you see , you don´t respect another wishes....it´s typical Israelian way, don´t respect, stolen, kill, rap women, land.....so, piss off and look for something to do than bother ppl, anyway, I know better than you where Israel will go.......do somthing else GODBYE
SuperThesamman 5 months ago
so its not an "occupied" territory as the Palestinians want us to belive, its a contested territory.
44warjunkie 6 months ago in playlist Arab-Israeli Wars
agression to steal land.. yeah.. egypt, syria and jordan wanted to 'steal' the israeli land (and expell or opress or kill all the jews) but got their asses kicked in 6 days. open a history book. read what Natzer said before the war an tell me if its agressive enough 4 u. he said THE ARAB ARMIES ARE READY TO STORM ISRAEL AND DESTROY IT. (AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE WEST BANK WAS "OCCUPIED"). open a goddamn history book
noam8080 6 months ago
6 day war = A war of aggression to steal land.
Lying sack of shit.
MsZeitgeist85 6 months ago
4) Notice the emphasis on Jordan's annexation and occupation of the West Bank and says only two countries recognized Jordan as the sovereign...That's two more than have recognized Israel's sovereignty over in the West Bank! He then tells us that the UN considered Jordan to be occupying the West Bank...Maybe this would have been a good time to mention that the UN has and still considers Israel to be occupying the West Bank?
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Israel has never annexed the west bank. It is disputed territory. If you read what the actual definition of occupation is you will see that it requires that a sovereign and recognized authority must be in control of the region in question. No authority has had such a claim over the west bank unless you count the Ottoman empire or Jordan (maybe thats why he mentioned it....) Therefore the west bank is disputed just like the Kashmir strip and Gibraltar.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox Israel annexed East Jerusalem, which is considered part of the West Bank. He clearly stated that Jordan occupied the West Bank. So if Jordan occupied it and Israel took it from them, is it not still occupied only the name has changed, i.e., Jordan to Israel? This territory is only considered "disputed" by Israel, as the International Court of Justice and the UN have deemed it to be "occupied".
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Jordan wasn't a recognized authority over the west bank. Technically you could say but wait maybe Jordan should get the west bank back? In the late 80s Jordan recanted their claim to the west bank therefore it is disputed territory. Remember that the majority of countries in the UN are anti-west and therefore anti-israel and therefore will support resolutions that favor their own agenda. It was originally called the communist-islamic voting block and it still exists even with no USSR
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox Jordan did not recant their claim to the West Bank, but rather ceded it to the PLO. The UN is the same body to recognize Israel as a state with full membership in 1948, with over 120 votes in favor. The ICJ is comprised of 15 judges, of which 3 are from Muslim countries, the others are from China, USA, Germany, New Zealand, Mexico, UK, France, Brazil, Slovakia, Japan and Russia. The vote was not even close and to assert that all of these countries are "anti-west", is absurd.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Still to call the west bank occupied is inconsistent with the definition of occupation. And many top judges and legal scholars etc etc have agreed with this conclusion.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox I am not aware of any such "top" Judges or legal scholars, who hold that opinion. If you will provide me with some names, I would love to read their basis for such an opinion.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Stephen M. Schwebel of the international court of justice and Eugene V. Rostow the dean of Yale law school (one of the most prestigious law schools) for starters.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox I have just read a few selected writings by the Judge, since I found that him to be most pertinent to international law. I thought he made a great argument from his own perspective. I thought however that he failed to sight a clear and defined international law that made Israels attack legally self defense. He pointed out, as you did the many provocative things that Egypt did prior, but failed to link any of such actions to be an act of war.
steute2011 7 months ago
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steute2011 7 months ago
3)The British Mandate for Palestine, as he first indicates, called for the establishment of a homeland for the Jews IN Palestine. He then follows it up by changing IN to ALL of Palestine. The Mandate clearly recognized a non-Jewish population in Palestine, who's civil and religious rights were not to be prejudiced.
steute2011 7 months ago
2) Resolution 242 did in fact call for the withdrawal from territories occupied after the 1967 war, based on the premise of the inadmissibility of territory by war...The test was what territories were occupied in such? The West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza. The fact that they did not use "the" or "all" is just a matter of playing semantics.
steute2011 7 months ago
1) Israel was not deemed to have acted in self defense in the war of 1967, instead the UN decided not to declare an aggressor when drafting resolution 242. Israel launched a surprise attack against Egypt and therefore officially starting the war. Either way, there is no clause in international law that allows you to keep territory acquired by war.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Bullshit.
1. Nassar and other local leaders prior to the war were openly threatening to destroy Israel.
2. Nassar and other arab leaders amassed troops along Israel's border prior to the war
3. Israel stated that if anyone blocked the straights of Tiran it would be considered an act of war. Egypt blocked the straights of Tiran.
4. Prior to the war Nassar expelled UN peacekeepers from the Sinai so that he could station his troops there.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox Not Bullshit.
First of all, a preemptive strike is not considered an act of self defense, as it predicts an attack from the other side. Most scholars and historians reject preemptive strikes as a defensive act and it was also rejected by the UN when drafting resolution 242. As a member nation of the UN, Israel was supposed to get authorization for this action, but did no such thing. While there were undoubtedly provocative actions by Egypt, there was no act or declaration of war.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 They tell you they are going to kill you, they station troops around your borders and engage in an act that they know will be considered an act of war which cuts off your oil supply. Also you know that you are about to face several armies on three fronts. What idiot would not engage in a preemptive strike? Would you? Would you just sit back and cross your fingers?
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox A number of senior Israeli military and political figures have subsequently admitted that Israel was not faced with a genuine threat of attack, and instead, deliberately chose war. Yitzhak Rabin, the Israeli army chief of staff during the war, later stated: "I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it." (i) General Mattityahu Peled, (CONT.)>>>>
steute2011 7 months ago
@jonahfox a member of Israel's general staff in 1967, opined that "the thesis according to which the danger of genocide weighed on us in June 1967, and that Israel struggled for its physical existence is only a bluff born and developed after the war." (ii) Menachem Begin, not yet prime minister but a member of the Israeli cabinet, allowed that: "The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. CONT>
steute2011 7 months ago
@jonahfox We decided to attack him."
So now we can see why the preemptive strike no matter what the perceived threat is, can not be considered defensive.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Did you just copy and paste that from one of Norman Finklestein's screeds? The quote from Menachem Begin only expressed the possibility of doubt. Yes, if someone puts a gun to your head they may not pull the trigger. But what idiot would want someone to put a gun to your head, threaten to kill you and block off your oil supply? Yitzhak Rabin, though a good man, we know his opinion's cant be taken seriously... This is the guy who actually believed he could trust Arafat.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox I actually did copy and paste, but not from any NF source. This information is readily available trough many sources. Your interpretation, as well as my own, of what justifies a preemptive strike, is really of no consequence when it comes to the way international law determines this. I am simply echoing the decisions of the bodies charged with doing so. So even if I agree with you that Israel was justified morally, which I do...It does not change the legal status of that action.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 When it comes to war I would dare you to find any country that acted in a totally legal fashion completely in line with "international law." You won't because nobody would because doing so would require them to put themselves and their troops at a far greater risk and nobody would do that.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox At this juncture we are debating defense vs offensive. On that point, of course there are many example of countries that acted legally with aggression to an attack, i.e., Israel in 1948. Certainly I would never argue that most wars did not involved some form of war crimes. I also do not argue as to the moral correctness of Israels actions in 1967, but rather the legal definition of self defense in war, in order to rebut the claim that Israel acquired the WB in a war of self defense.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 The legal issue, to me, is irrelevant and trivial. When it comes down to it "international law" means nothing and everyone knows it and acts as such. Do you really believe the PA will keep up the end of their deal? Hamas could easily take over. They have very strong support in the west bank. Look at this survey:
andrewbostom (dOt) org/blog/2011/07/15/mere-73-of-palestinians-want-jews-annihilated-as-per-islam’s-canonical-hadith/
jonahfox 7 months ago
@steute2011 Resolution 242 also states that Israel has the right to secure and defensible borders. The 1967 borders are not secure or defensible at all.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox Resolution 242 does not call for defensible borders, as this would be subjective. What it did call for was secure and recognized boundaries. How does any body determine this to mean you can keep all or any part of the occupied territories...Is beyond me?
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 To have a secure border means that it must be defensible because otherwise how are you going to secure it? You determine it through negotiations or accepting one of the numerous offers that Israel has given them. You act as though Israel is obligated to commit suicide.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox The assertion that Israel can not defend 1967 borders contradicts history, as they have already done so on several occasions. In 1948 they successfully defended borders that were significantly smaller than the 1967 borders. They successfully defended the 1967 borders in the 6 day war and several times since. Also, there seems to be an emphasis on Israels security and not that of the Palestinians, even though it calls for both parties to have such.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Take a flight to Israel and drive along the coast where 70+% of the population live and almost all the industry. Look east and you will see the hills of the west bank. Think about how Gazans launch rockets on the neighboring Israeli towns and realize that the people in the west bank would likely do the same thing. Then what? Another war? Look at recent polls in the west bank showing that the majority is against two-state solution and believe all of Israel should be destroyed.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox I have no illusions about Israels very real security concerns. Unfortunately the international community does not accept this as a justification for the continued occupation, settlements and human rights violations. Given the peace treaties in place with Egypt and Jordan, which have held for quite some time, I just assume it could work with the Palestinians. I do not see how it will be possible to maintain the current status quo. I believe the occupation, is short sighted.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 The situation with Egypt and Jordan is not analogous at all since the majority of Palestinians are still saying that they want to take over all of Israel. The Egyptians and Jordanians are not, obviously. The international community is short sighted in its optimism that the Pal's wont simply use a state in the west bank as a step toward their long-term goals (which they admit). I don't know the solution but a PA state on 67 lines will result in many deaths and even more war.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox I must say, I respectfully disagree with assessment. Granted there are some, maybe even many Palestinians who have a more sinister agenda in gaining the West Bank as part of their state, i.e., capturing the entire Israel. However, I do not believe that if Israel pulled out, that they would not be able to immediately retake it and with minimal casualties. If Israel withdrew voluntarily the international community would immediately praise her and (CONT.)>>>>
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 If she were attacked by any Muslim country, the international community would not only support her, but perhaps even fight with her. I realize the risk that Israel would be taking, but I also believe that Israel has one of the most technologically advanced weapons systems in the world and would therefore be able to respond instantaneously to any type of attack before there was any significant damage done. Just my thoughts?
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 I could imagine a situation similar to Gaza. Israel pulls out hoping things to turn out for the best. Armed thugs start launching rockets on Israeli cities. Israel responds and the international community condemns Israel. Now 70% of the population along the coast has to live in constant fear of attack. And then they start pushing for more and start pushing the refugee issue even though nobody seems to give a damn about the 700,000 people displaced from Arab countries.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox I don't want to nit pick with you, because I believe there is something very genuine about you and your concerns for Israels safety. However, Israels withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, was merely a transfer of settlers from to the West Bank and they also kept control of the borders, air space and sea ports. So, I don't know that it could really be viewed as a true move for peace. I am one who completely agrees with Israels position on the refugee issue...compensation for true refugees...it!
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Still prior to the enactment of the blockade, following Hamas' takeover/electoral victory, the disengagement did allow for the possibility of the path toward a better life for the people of Gaza. This could have occurred but Hamas is in my opinion in some ways even worse than Nazi Germany. If the people of Gaza recognize Israel and denounce violence the blockade would end.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox When I talk to people like you, I can sense the tragedy that this conflict has brought upon both peoples. I can not help my weakness for the plight of the Palestinian people (not including HAMAS). I believe that although I try not to, I sometimes lose sight of the fact that the Israeli people are also victims in this and suffer just the same. I apologize if I have not shown that in our discussion.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 In all honesty I have not spoken to someone with views similar to yours that has expressed this level of empathy for the Israeli position. The majority of people that I have spoken to both on youtube and even at University have almost without exception been terribly one-sided and turned it into some sort of emotive populist struggle that is simplified into "good vs evil." This contributes to my inability to trust the international community if say a Pal state became into what I fear.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@steute2011 I do have family in Israel and I have spent a few summers there. I worked on a Kibbutz for one and it was great. People overestimate the segregation between Arabs and Jews in Israel. I was even surprised when I met a Muslim who was working there and getting along with everyone just fine. I wouldn't have known he was Arab until I learned that his name was Mohammad. My relatives who live in Jerusalem (west) send their kids to a mixed Jewish and Arab school to attempt to bridge the gap.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox I have always been found of the Jewish people. So much so, that I married a Jewish woman, who is still my wife after 10 yrs. My Father-in-Law is a Russian born Jew, who immigrated to Israel upon her birth and now lives here in the USA. I sometimes struggle to think that some people do not believe it is even possible for Jews and Muslims to co-exist in peace. The Jewish people have some of the best minds in the world and they must use that gift to solve this conflict. Thanks for sharing
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Last point... my hypothesis for the seemingly large amount of Jewish success is that it results from the hardships they had to endure for over 2000 years. During this long period the amount of pressures and difficulties that they faced in order to make a living and survive was greater and therefore it became part of the culture to work extremely hard and to cultivate their skills and talents to the greatest extent possible.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@steute2011 (cont..) Its sick. Do you realize that the Pal refugees are being used as political weapons against Israel. No time in history has a refugee crisis lasted this long/. Even King Abdullah of Jordan recognized this. The population growth rate of the refugees is huge. I honestly can see them encouraging the refugees to have many children so that they can use them as a political weapon. Demonizing Israel. Even the refugees in oil rich Saudi Arabia live in secluded camps with no rights....
jonahfox 7 months ago
@steute2011 (cont...) and they claim it is because they want to protect their "heritage" even though the very notion of a Palestinian was created as a response to Zionism. I really see this issue as not having to do with human rights at all. I want to see people advocating against the occupation of Cyprus and the treatment of Kurds and Palestinians in Arab countries. It seems like it really is just about those "evil Jews" no?
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox There's definitely a major imbalance in the way Jews are demonized, in comparison to other people and country whom commit the most heinous atrocities against humans imaginable. I personally never bought into the whole Jews want to take over the world conspiracy. They just happen to be pretty bright and especially good in certain fields, so they tend to dominate those fields. I know it's cheesy of me, but I just want there to be peace for all peoples in all places. Unrealistic?
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 I do to. I think everyone does at some level. Its all about paranoia of what the Other might do. That is the basis of this. I propose that Jews and Arabs across the middle east are forced to attend group therapy sessions and play softball (or some other benign activity) together. It is also jealousy, Israel pops out of nowhere and defeats Egypt that has been there for thousands of years. Not to mention the Jewish nobel prizes, other academic and financial success.
jonahfox 7 months ago
@jonahfox It's funny that you mention that. I watched a video about a peace camp, where they brought together young Palestinians & Israeli Jews and they spent a few days together. At the end many of them had become friends and they shed a few tears with each other. It was quite moving. I think your idea is great. I wish you much success in life, which I am sure you either have already or are well on your way to achieving.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 Even the PLO was caught recently admitting that the two-state solution would only be part of a long-term goal to eliminate all of Israel? Have you heard of the phased plan? Check it out. Why would anyone want to give someone who tells you they want to destroy you access to hills surrounding your most populated areas where they could easily take aim at your civilians. Its hard to imagine how small it is until you see it for yourself. They could just sit on the hills and shoot.
jonahfox 7 months ago
It's not disputed territoriy its OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN LAND.
MsZeitgeist85 7 months ago
If this is historically accurate, and it seems so, then the correct pre 1967 borders would be those set up in 1922. Is it possible that today's politicians don't have a grasp of the facts of the matter? They should listen to this, and have it verified. This is not an emotional issue, it is about fairness and common sense. Look at the size of Jordan.
daughterhat 7 months ago
Very good video that explains clearly what many don't know... that the borders of the Middle East were created in an artificial way by Britain and France, and later on by wars that the Arab countries opened.
Israel has EVERY RIGHT to keep these lands, or part of them (as Israel wishes) according to the Israeli interests, NOT Arab / European/ foreign interests.
ofri75 8 months ago
Talk about re-writing history. This guy is an idiot.
GodsGayLover 9 months ago
@GodsGayLover What did he say that was incorrect?
jonahfox 9 months ago
@jonahfox Read my comments above on this page. They ought to answer your question.
steute2011 7 months ago
I have 1 simple question: why didn't Jordan give the 'Palestinians' a state in the west bank if they occupied it from 1948 till 1967??????????
2912770 9 months ago
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FUCK YOU AND FUCK JEWS!!
ArabianMarxist 10 months ago
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- - WHY do ignorant people of the world forget that Palestinians are the races of Jews who NEVER left this land, and later on converted to ISLAM??? They are the real dwelllers of this land since ages. They became Muslims but that doesnt mean the land is not theirs any more!
Jews are those cursed ones who left these lands and now are getting back here for final scene ie they all will be slaughtered here by Jesus and his army. So its a good thing, Muslims wont have to go looking for them.
4wizdom 11 months ago
JohnnyRock, what are you talking about? there are currently 56 majority Islamic countries, 49 Roman Catholic, 20 Protestant, 12 Eastern Orthodox and 4Hindu. There is only ONE country with a majority Jewish population and you have the balls to call only that one 'racist' because it's for Jews .BTW, 20% are Arabs...can you point to even one Muslim country where Jews are even 1% of the population ?
You can't because such a country does not exist. Face it buddy, YOU ARE A TRUE RACIST...pure & simple
alonabd 1 year ago
@alonabd your country Israel was built on the suffering and killing of my nation the Palestinians, what majority you talking about, Israel has sorounding region of Arab countries, you cant take that part and call it Israel, but since you have sacret places here and you love this land, I invite you to live in peace among locals, and enjoy being where you want to be, but to seperate that part and call israel, and cause misery to others and all theise crimes jews did , it is not accepted at all
abdx7777 1 year ago
@abdx7777
Dear liar,
Please read Samual Longhorn (Mark Twain) book: The innocents abroad, come to talk to me after.
Arabs destroyed the land, partially as a part of their defence programme against the return of crusaders. Hence, the land was lying devastated and empty for hundreds of years.
Israel is built with the blood and sweat of Zionist Jews. The part suffering, crime and misery is all due to Arabs.
j2fxxx 7 months ago
Some of you people are truly ignorant. you continuously talk about 'white' Jews whose place in Israel you dispute.How about the more than 50% of the population who are sephardic (dark skinned) Jews, many whom have been living in the area for centuries? Considerably longer than a large portion of the so called 'Palestinians' who migrated to the area in the late 1800's only after Jews had cleared the swamps of malaria and made the area economically viable.Many of you simply prefer to stay ignorant
alonabd 1 year ago
@alonabd again, you say people immigrated in 1800, and from where, from Syria ? Lebanon? Jordan, are you crazy, do you really believe that there is any place on earth have no people living in it ?? Palestine was empty for 2000 waiting for you to return ?? do you really believe in that ? comon, swamps were near Tiberias only, 2000 years of history is even double the time you ever spend in Palestine, white people do not belong to holy land, point
abdx7777 1 year ago
@abdx7777 - perhaps you don't know, but 70% of the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs who live now in Israel are decendants of Arabs who immigrated from Arab countries in the 19-20 centuries - mostly from Iraq, Syria, Saudi-Arabia, and Egypt (but also from Jordan, Lebanon and even Sudan). There are many evidense for that... like the last names of some palestinian "Hamulot" that indicate they come from Iraq, or Syria.. so palestinians are like Israelis in that regard - most of them immigrated.
ofri75 8 months ago
Israel=terrorist state armed with nuclear weapons
LupuArdelean 1 year ago
we call it eretz israel - land of iSRAEL
jewswin 1 year ago
Eugene Rostow, son of Russian Jews. Why would anyone look to this guy's statement as to be anything other that support of Zionist views.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
Can any body answer my simple question ?
The white Russian jews who are originally from region near Ural Sea, have they got the right to be in Palestine ???
While Palestinians who living here since ever , more that 2000 years have no rights.
Well, If bible or torah saying this, then I guess you people need to find another book to follow, what do you think ??
abdx7777 1 year ago
@abdx7777 The current Zionist spin is that hidden amongst their European DNA is semitic DNA. That theory has now been stretched to state that no matter how they look their DNA is unchanged for thousands of years. Also stated is that they appear white now, simply because they moved from the Middle East and that it is merely a superficial change to deal with climate change, that underneath they are pure and unchanged Middle East semites.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
@JohnnyRock2000 all humans are the same back to Adam, but still now some of humans are white, some are black, in middle east we are brown mainly, jews are not, so simply, they dont belong to middle east, and about why they are white, it is because of intermarriages with europeans for the last 2000 years, then judisim is religeon, there should not be a state Israel only for jews, that is racist way, geography has nothing to do with believe
abdx7777 1 year ago
@abdx7777what are you talking about? there are currently 56 majority Islamic countries, 49 Roman Catholic, 20 Protestant, 12 Eastern Orthodox and 4Hindu. There is only ONE country with a majority Jewish population and you have the balls to call only that one 'racist' because it's for Jews .BTW, 20% are Arabs...can you point to even one Muslim country where Jews are even 1% of the population
You can't because such a country does not exist. Face it buddy, YOU ARE A TRUE RACIST...pure & simple
alonabd 1 year ago
palestine never existed as a NATION...How van it be occupied land?Jordan has the arab side why should the Arabs create yet another land,,JORDAN IS PALESTINE!
chrisifiles 1 year ago 2
@chrisifiles you are wrong, look at old map of what you calling Israel , it shows state of Pelestia by the coatal line, and phiniqia to the north, and petra to south, so..
that is clear fact about palestinian origin, they were there even before jews
abdx7777 1 year ago
1948 NOT 1967, and Israel is called Occupied land of Palestine.
alio122000 1 year ago
haha, they skipped the parts about Israels foundation.
Jewish terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the annexation of lands beyond the '49 partition plan, all ignored!
ILIKESFLAN 1 year ago
The Arabs really screwed up by not accepting the UN partition plan. If they had there would never have been any israelis in the westbank...so in a way the Arabs brought this problem upon themselves.
EdwardRommel 1 year ago
BULLCRAP!
zshi1 1 year ago
fuck isreal
123zero123abc123 1 year ago
@123zero123abc123 Fuck you Nazi pig
shinokiba 1 year ago
Fuck nazi isreal fucking animals all of them no wonder why people hate them chosen people my ass fuck all you ZOINST
123zero123abc123 1 year ago
the Golan is syrain territory it wasnt part of jordan.
Bloodwiper2 2 years ago
It wasnt self defense isra.eli scumbag. it was israels war of attrition against us
Bloodwiper2 2 years ago