Vertical Launch Trials

[kempmt1]

Does this mean that the RN won't be using the Aster 15/30 missiles?

[stalkingalizee]

@kempmt1 CAMM is to replace the Sea Wolf, not Aster. It is far too short range to do that.

[krhonhos]

an asraam for sea??

[AerospaceEngineer90]

AIM-9X has fuck all to do with ASRAAM where are you getting your information from kids? Wikipedia?, AIM-9X is a newer version of AIM-9M nothing to do with ASRAAM, whilst AIM-9X and ASRAAM are WVRAAMs that's where the similarity ends, ASRAAM has a much higher speed but isn't as maneuvreable (although not to the extent that everyone here is speculating), UK fighter doctrine was focused too heavily on bomber interception when ASRAAM was designed

[AerospaceEngineer90]

ASRAAM isn't a bad missile, it's still an incredibly nifty bit of kit, there was a complaint about a not very agile missile on a not very agile launch platform, Mk.3 Tornado's and ASRAAM has proven to create an incredible combination in war-games, what they lack in agility is made up for in shear pace.

[AerospaceEngineer90]

And there was a call for a MLU of ASRAAM? That's a strong possibility, ASRAAM is being developed into CAMM, CAMM will likely be redeveloped into an WVRAAM bringing the development full cycle and back to it's origin

ASRAAM definitely has problems and I'd be the last person to pretend it doesn't, she would benefit no end from 3DTVC and a new seeker but in the same vein she shouldn't be written off as obsolete, different missiles, different design considerations, different missions.

[incendiarycutlery]

Nice to see the internet tradition of informed comment is still alive and well.

AIM-9X is a more agile version of the AIM-132 ASRAAM. The AIM-9X uses the same seeker as the ASRAAM and ASRAAM was developed and in service first.

The US choice of Sidewinder and the Germans for IRIS-T was based on agility while the ASRAAM is optimised for range. Plus I believe that AIM-9X re-uses components from other AIM-9s so it's much cheaper for the US than ASRAAM would have been.

[krhonhos]

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[bri4u2906]

Only because of disagreements with the Germans on its design.

[WinchesterRanger]

That certainly had an impact, but both the Americans and the Germans realised that ASRAAM simply wasn't good enough to go up against the Russian AA-11. Now the Germans have IRIS-T, an extremely agile missile with extreme off bore capability, and even rearward targeting capability. Asraam is basically a less manueverable AIM-9X (when the Germans went, they took their seeker head with them and the UK had to use the US seeker) with longer range. I recommend putting the guns back on the Typhoon.

[bri4u2906]

Yes I agree dont know what has gone wrong with ASRAAM. Good, but could have been better. Maybe an improved version in the future with a bit of luck.

[WinchesterRanger]

It's a pity, because I really like the super low drag profile - it makes the 9X look old school and the IRIS-T look bulky. I think the biggest mistake was making it less agile than its competitors, and then componding that by fitting it to non-agile fighters like the tornado F.3. Oh well, there's always a mid-life upgrade.

[t43562]

That's just crap. See, I've contributed as much actual information as you.

[WinchesterRanger]

Where did you come from and what on earth are you talking about?

[t43562]

@WinchesterRanger I mean that you haven't provided any evidence for your assertions about how rubbish British defense procurement are and how super-duper the AIM-9X is to support how smug you are. One cold say, given the VH-71, the tankers, the JSF that perhaps all defense projects tend to go wrong but some people just throw more money at them,

[FailedSquare]

cool