AMD First DirectX 11 Movies, First DX11 Demos

[ClareneClaar5]

so searching for a guy that would treat me well

[RyanPridgeon]

Lol, this video shows nothing of the new DirectX version. Any detail that could be added by tessellation is blurred to hell. In this case, animation / art / shading quality is the result of decent graphics programming, not a better graphics API.

[jorgeorgfacchini]

/watch?v=bMwQ_aWSZkk

[cdoublejj]

it's so fuzzy i couldn't tell if it was DX8 or DX11

[coloneltheo]

um u can tell how detailed the animation was regardless of the  picture quality.

[cdoublejj]

im not that good, i can see the shading and that about it.

[Kamshak1337]

@cdoublejj you couldnt tell anyways, this is possible with dx8 as well, it just doesnt perform as well

[GraveUypo]

@Kamshak1337 it isnt. directx8 can't render more than 56 or so shaders per scene, has a limited number of pixel and vertex shader capabilities and so on.

you can do the geometry on dx8, but not the rest.

[Kamshak1337]

@GraveUypo these shaders don't look too complicated, sure there are limits, but this is possible with dx8

[GraveUypo]

@Kamshak1337 maybe you could get something to look close enough, but im almost certain "the same" is stretching it a little bit (can't be sure because of the bluriness)

on dx9c (sm3) on the other hand im almost sure you could make it look exactly the same.

[Kamshak1337]

@GraveUypo the new dx sure is better than dx8, no doubt, but they always make it look as if it was all the dx version. You cannot create a game with graphics like this in dx8, in dx9 for sure, but for such a demo even 8 should be enough.

[GraveUypo]

@Kamshak1337 true enough. anyways, tesselation, for instance, was originally supported by ATI back in the radeon 8500, a directx 8 card. It went by the name "truform".

[RioNilo09]

AHHH VAO SE FERRAR!!!!!!

[EgyptianPrinceCB]

AMD & ATi are behind Intel and nVidia on many things...

ATi still did NOT release the final Windows 7 Drivers of catalyst .... Although, nVidia already did...

ATi doesn't have "PhysX" GPU acceleration like nVidia.. ATi doesn't have 3D Vision like nVidia...

AMD has lost ground to Intel on notebooks, AMD is on its 9-quartely loss of market share loss...

I don't know why all the hype around AMD...

[xsannyx]

fanboy!!!

Its clear that nVidia is losing money and ATI is in control!

I'm not a fanboy and i want that both companys are equal-batter competition=lower prizes!

And even tough i like ATI batter cuz of low prizes i want nVidia to produce some kickass products.

And yes-intel's CPUs are slightly batter than amd's but in prize to quality ratio AMD is batter.

So dont just things freeley if you dont know anything for shit!

[NeoXF]

@xsannyx "prizes"... LOL

[majorhavoxg1]

@xsannyx

Amd Definitely has the performance crown and does away with the pricing.

I will still admit Nvidia does have the premium technologies that ati lacks (for now) Such as Gpu based physx and 3D, However, that technology is premature at this point and Pc gaming did have a bad 5 years, but thats going to change.

[drinkbudyXD]

price for new models,but older ones oc'ed beat the crap out of amd's there are lots of things i need that have better support for intel cipsets and nvidia cards

be it ati or nvidia most pple don't buy the latest things,and usually,it's just better to buy nvidia

[xsannyx]

And only a few games support phsix. But still ATI's new 5000 serias are faster than all latest nVidia serias even with physX on!

Do you even know what 3d vision is?

You only need iz3d drivers and you have it!

And they dont have 3d vision they are only 3dvision ready! That means you have to buy some fucking special nvidia googles and kit for 400€ and its all crappy.

Who the fuck cares about drivers? vista-7 all drivers are the same!

You uneducated bastart!

IM NOT A FANBOY! I JUST KNOW THINGS!

[bokanovskyprocess]

supreme commander tesselated the terrain real time on directx 9. whoopdedoo

(/ dismisses next big thing, will sound ridiculous later)

[noobdeagle]

ATI had tessellation in the 9600pro and 9800pro days, except it required extra coding just for ati cards (HL2 supported it i think), but DX11 makes it occur under simple code for all cards. the major importance of DX11 is open CL coding which is universal code for gpu based calculation so devs dont have to write for just cuda or stream DX11 also has many memory enhancements and many other features to improve performance and do more in less passes its what DX10 should have been time will tell tho

[Caleb1915]

And don't forget that Open CL will also allow PhysX acceleration on all cards if AMD/ATi will support it.

[noobdeagle]

i watched a direct X 11 developers conference video turns out that all directX 11 features work on DX10 hardware only feature that requires DX11 specific hardware is the tesselation so all the other more important features like open cl is available to use right now ! looks like my gtx 260 still has some life in it

[Moothyknight4534]

so dx11 just adds tesselation? ... k ...

[ArksGir]

my 2 HD4770 in Crossfire under Windows 7 x64 run crysis in very high until 1600x1024 in a amd x2 5200 @3.5gzh wth 2gb of ram but...can i make equal a 3 way sli i men i got a on board HD3300 but i don't know ifwith the bios i can make hybrid cross fire i had one when i used to have a HD 3650 can some one plix help with this tnx!!

[bastec666]

no, Hybrid crossfire only works with the same series, meaning your onboard HD3300 will only work with the HD3000 series, much like your old 3650, because the 4000 series is more powerful, such hybrid tech is not needed. AMD will most likely keep this a "gen behind" type feature, since new cards are already "ahead of time", and onboard is always a generation behind.

[curutosan]

Uuf, thanks.Yeah, i have 2 hd 4770 on crossfire(it's a plan, 'cause i don't have the means to put'em together yet), but don't worry 'bout that.

Thank you, it's like i was thinking, i mean, if u take a look at the dx11 next hardware, it's just like my cards...

2 of these would be just the thing they're gonna lunch, i think, it's exactly the same. so yeah, i think AMD could get to lunch some driver fix to include 'em in the dx 11 market, 'cause they're brand new.Thanks anyway.

[curutosan]

Woow, fuck, dx 11, shit, i just bougth 2 hd 4770!!! crap.Help, are hd 4770 compatible with dx11??? will they be??? cause, 2 hd 4770 looks really like the high end dx11 chip they're talking about....help please, i wanna play with dx 11 at full, but don't wanna buy any other gpu, help.

[NPSF3000]

There are no current dx 11 GPU's on the market, however the Froblins dx 11 demo looks surprisingly like the Froblins demo i have on my hd4850 - indicating that it's possible that at least some of dx 11 features will work on ati dx10.1 cards.

When they release dx 11 officially i guess we'll find out if a driver fix will make current cards compatible or if we will need new hardware?

BTW, why did you buy 2 hd4770?

[Einhanderkiller]

DX11 is backwards-compatible with DX10. So if a game is built only with DX11, your DX10 card will still be able to run it. But you won't be able to use the new DX11 features, obviously.

[sgtheadhole]

NO, its backwards compatible with DX10.1

[sgtheadhole]

dont worry, all 3000 and 4000 series work with DX11

[anandgedam1212]

nope they wont

[JSEProduction]

That doesnt even look good.I tought it would own GTX 295 and the shape of the card looks like 4770.

[Jeebus84]

Retard

[JSEProduction]

You seriously think that graphic quality looks good?His hand goes over the gun.DX 9 could even compete with that.

[freaqie]

you are mixing up technical quality

such as polycounts, animation blending shading lighting etc. with the fact that the art for this particular demo is pretty bad.

the animator that made this animation just sucks. no matter what technology you have. it can;t fix a bad animators errors

[JSEProduction]

That is exactly my point, because of the animator you wont see true potential of dx 11 or the card.

[Jeebus84]

Save the hating for when a game is actualy released on the technology.......this is a very early demo thats only meant to show off some aspects of the new technology and let us know how it can be used to make our games better........and what the f*cks his hand over a gun got to do with anything?Did you wanna see his hand inside the gun or something like a glitchy peice of shit?Present your arguments better next time.

[JSEProduction]

What, you think im nvidia fanboy?I actually happen to own AMD Radeon HD 4870 and like it.

[Jeebus84]

I didnt say ur an Nvidia fanboy i just said ur hating on the new tech,big difference.

[JSEProduction]

So you think, that im jealous that i have DX 10.1 and couldnt afford 11?I am going to buy a DX 11 card when its out and that is why i want it to be good, not like the performance shown here.I have seen better DX11 animations and they are incredible.

[Jeebus84]

jealous!?!?LOL.....i didnt say your jealous of anything........i just think your being a bit harsh on the new technology just because of a crappy animation that was shown........and BTW,i own a DX 10.1 card also and im very happy with it ;)

[JSEProduction]

Yeah and technology should go forwards not backwards, but thats just a bad animation.There are better ones.

[podtech115]

Well, I for one wish they made a better tech demo then this.

Something in HD maybe?

Does that thing even have Tessellation?

[Jeebus84]

It has a tessellated nutsck.

[podtech115]

Jeebus84, don't be rude. you're a big boy now, stop acting like a baby.

Really now, 'nutsck'? was that suppose to be funny?

[Jeebus84]

being rude?its obviously a joke lol!!!

"tessellated nutsack" LOL!

And to answer more maturely,i dont think you can even tell if that has tessellation or not,due to the crap quality of the video..........

[janmadmax]

ich hab ne 4870 toxic mit 1gb vram und ich muss sagen sie is einer der schnellsten grakas aufm markt ;) alleine die kleine version von ihr is schon auf platz 8 der besten GPUS!

[yoda4038]

Ich bleib bei Nvidia. Ich hab mir 3 Ati Karten geholt 2 davon liefen in einem Ati und die andere in Intelsystem nichts ging, immer Leistungs einbrüche.Jetzt hab 2x 9800GTX+ und alles läuft wunderbar.

[MajinFrahma]

I wonder how many ploygons/triangles in an average character model.

[XSebi0815]

i red that in GTA Vice city when they made a car they needed 3 days

now in grid or nfs they need over 3 months for 1 car ^^

so you can imagen how many polygons^^

[podtech115]

I heard Gears of War's characters has 6,000 polygons/triangles, crysis has about 8,000 triangles for each Korean, and GT5 has 200,000 polygons for each car.

[MajinFrahma]

That's unreal. I remember the good old days when 2k polygons was killer.

[podtech115]

That's nothing! When Tessellation is used, characters will able to have up to 1.6 million triangles! They'll finally look photorealistic

[cheeches]

@ gr0ggi wer rennt denn nvidia hinterher du vollpfosten da ne 4890CF / 4890x2 mal schneller is als ne gtx 295 scheiss fanboy du hast echt kein plan im ernst nicht auf amd karten kann man AA und AF aktivieren ohne auch nur minimal and fps zu verlieren mach das gleiche bei crysis und nvidias finest verliert bei 4xAA schon 30 fps lachhaft ist das und nein das ist nicht falsch es gibt genug tests und der glecihen die dsa bestätigen kein plan haben aber's maul auf reißen das heben wir gerne

[roonyk100]

Du bist ein Vollpfosten. Ne HD4890 ist noch nicht einmal so schnell wie eine GTX 275 oder 280. Die GTX 295 ist die derzeit schnellste Grafikkarte am Markt. Zwar sind die Geforce Karten relativ teuer, aber in der Leistung immer noch besser als AMD Karten. Und bevor du andere als Fanboy betitelst solltest du ersteinmal bei dir anfangen!

P.S. Ich habe auch eine AMD/ATI Grafikkarte und einen Intel Prozessor. Mich also als Fanboy zu bezeichnen wäre sinnlos!

[hallowarum]

@ cheeches crysis wurde mit nvidia entwickelt und für nvidia optimiert.......

[nnealz]

Scheiss NV/Intel Fanboys. Lieber Preis/Leistung als Ultraperformance..

Und wirtschaftliches Fairplay anstatt Kriminalität :]

[totallyrandom02]

they still walk like fucking robots

[gr0ggi]

tsts.... AMD/ATI und ihr DX11 Wunder ;-)

Die können auch DX24 machen und würden immernoch Nvidia hinterher rennen ;-)

[666dingsibumzi666]

so siehts aus ;p

[hakis86]

I guess we have to wait for some high-quality screens/videos before we start getting impressed....

[timmae2]

ganz großes kino...

aber trotzdem thx für die bereitstellung

[JustACutter]

Wow...wahnsinn.

Man sieht ja wirklich....NICHTS.

Mit 'ner VGA Kamera gefilmt ?

[noob2510]

don't you see the details ^^