Forward Slip and Engine Out

[Austyg]

I want a sleeker looking and sounding plane.

[0nem1leh1gh]

Beim Durchstarten die Klappen komplett einfahren, habe ich so aber auch noch nicht gesehen. Das ist wohl egal, wenn die Rollbahn lang genug ist, aber das kommt mir jetzt irgendwie merkwürdig vor. Es kann sein, dass die Rastung der elektrischen Verstellung bei den 150ern ausgelutscht ist und es nur ganz eingefahren und komplett ausgefahren gibt, wenn man nicht aufpasst, aber richtig ist das nicht.

[Idaho278]

3:01 - 3:10 I love it.

[skybolt811]

Actually it's a 150 Commuter



[sinfuldavy0]

So nice to fly with your dad

[emoore1978]

i only saw one slip here.......and it was a half slip.........nothing great......but nice plane......too bad dumbshits flying it!!!

[Stupendoussteve]

@emoore1978 dumbshit? Looks more like a student.

[lcclower]

Sure that's not a 15o, shayne?

[ConvairDart106]

OK guys. I just got to join this argument!! I remember this debate from way back in the 70's when I first started flying. Opinions differ between instructors. No denying that. However, Cessna did publish the information that related to slips with full flaps in strong wind. Under certain wind conditions, the flaps can blanket the elevators making them innefective. I, myself, like to use full flaps whenever possible. Mostly for the unobstructed view over the nose with the increased glide angle.

[coxairman]

Nice plane!

[64wing]

like this if you covered the wing in 100LL the first time you ever fueled the plane because you didn't know it dispensed another splash after you release the lever...lol never happened again

[emoore1978]

looks like a 150 to me.....where is the 172?......aure glad i dont fly with him if he cant tell the difference or know what he is flying.

[Hurricane4x4Parts]

@aolambros its a 152 II

you can slip w flaps extended. how else would you land it in a crosswind?

my 10,000hr instructor taught me an emergency descent in a 152 should be 85kts, full flaps, full slip. You'll drop like a rock.

[aolambros]

@Hurricane4x4Parts I know its a 152 look at my second comment

[ConvairDart106]

@Hurricane4x4Parts And my instructor also showed me how the very fastest way to get down was by spinning!! However, you had better be a lot better than average and know how to recover on a specified heading! This is not to be tried by the faint of heart or a mediocre pilot!! Happy contrails man! As for slipping with full flaps, read my other post. Because of this warning by Cessna, I am a just a touch less agressive on the slips in strong crosswinds but still use full flaps most of the time.

[the1bigace]

@ConvairDart106

Spins kill pilots all the time because they make their base to final late and add extra rudder to cheat the turns. There's no altitude to recover at 1000' agl If you are too high to make the runway GO AROUND there's no excuse to die trying to put the plane down over something that dumb.

[aolambros]

@emoore1978 I meant Cessna 152 not a 150 though look at 1:50 it says Cessna 152

[santislash1234]

no side slips with flaps extended

[taemanok2006]

That's "avoid spins with flaps extended" dood

[taemanok2006]

That's "avoid slips with flaps extended" dood

[sky30394]

@donPirata13 Incorrect. 172s have placards in the a/c stating to "Avoid" them with flaps extended, mainly because of some complaints about irregular oscillations experienced whilst performing a slip with flaps extended. If anything I would suggest that YOU re-read you Ops Handbook, but thanks for the piloting advice chief.

[donPirata13]

@sky30394

There is no 172 in this video.

Sorry for the 3 repeated posts, I removed 2

[donPirata13]

It's forbidden to make forward slips with flaps out except in real emergency procedures due to frame stress.

You must knew that. Its recommended to read Cessna POH before fly.

[KingNeto1269]

nice looking 152 II

[TalkDaTech]

what's a "slip"?

[POPJack1717]

AWESOME LANDINGS. Im a flight student at embry riddle and Im currently working on these. Matter of fact, my first flight practicing forward slips is tomorrow and im TOO excited. Good job bro.

[2008Flyboy]

Nice work.

[FlyingIsLife]

Looks great! I know it's an older vid..but great job. How many hours did you have at the time?

[dboy4ever]

Of course, the part is skipped where the dude couldn't get the door to close

[MrKnuk]

nice landing

[DKF22]

cessna pilots should come and fly my airplane... 

[shadowmastertx]

Well, atleast we learn how to fuel the plane..

[umahuma4]

AirBP GRRR

[alexander93411]

(I did not know those bastards at BP made Av gas.)

[ljackso]

The 'slip' is used in strong cross wind to get the plane down and onto the runway. Nice job. The last landing was a bit 'hot'.  Happy Flying!

[haitiano1982]

in my md80, slips are not authorized. Period

but having been through this, with the exact same 152, i think theres alot of talent in those landings ! lots of happy landing in the future pal

[wouldbepilot]

This seems like a nice bit of flying to me, nothing wrong with side sliping a 152. not sure where all the talk of killing yourself comes from. All nice flares with soft landings cannot ask for more.

[pilotman088]

what is a foward slip ?

[drumdude46]

@pilotman088 Generally refer's to banking the aircraft either right or left, as appropriate to current wind direction, and inputting "opposite' Rudder, TO that bank, so as to create a temporary Vertical Speed/ Drag moment, and allow the aircraft to "slip' down rather quicky, without building up excess airspeed. this accomplishes two things. allows quick descents minus Rapid AS buildup, and often keeps the aircraft aligned with the runway, under a given Wind condition. very handy.

[jonchall8]

@pilotman088 A forward slip refers to opposite aileron and rudder inputs are applied such that the airplane continues to hold the same track.

A side slip refers to a method of landing in a crosswind involving inputting rudder to match the heading of a runway, and then using aileron to stay on the centerline.

[jonchall8]

@pilotman088 Oh, and it is also worth noting that a forward slip creates a LOT of drag, allowing you to descend more steeply.

[mrsmelzbad]

Oh yeah? Ive got hundreds of hours (on my buds 185 ) pumping the floats, filling the fuel tanks, and cleaning fish off those floats, not to mention cleaning dog vomit & moose blood outa the back!.  So there!

[deadspong]

1982shayne

My flight instructor must have been wrong, thanks for correcting him and everyone else I know that flies. Maybe you should not learn everything you know from video games.

[1982shayne]

i fly a 46 champ have since i was 17 i was raised on tail draggers but what do i know

[Turminak]

@1982shayne I think you've made clear what you know.

[SuperchargedRS]

@1982shayne I dont know, what do you know? i know that slips are a commonly taught way to loose altitude in MOST AC (w/ and w/o flaps). Slips in a C172 with flaps is not PROHIBITED just placarded as AVOID, as it may reduce the air flow over the tail causing a little oscillation in the yoke (nothing serious).

Slips are a EXCELLENT tool and should be practiced. FYI I learned to fly in a 7AC, and have been through some... stuff with conventional gear AC

[carlsheritt]

Shayne you are obviously a complete idiot and know nothing about airplanes.

[1982shayne]

well slips should never be done with flaps slips are for planes withOUT flaps to increase rate of desent without increasing airspeed every cessna clearly says do not slip with flaps extended

[bertjuhh16]

@1982shayne

Cessna says nothing, an advise-sticker in a Cessna 172 says "Avoid side-slips with flaps extended". Side slip is a great method to use when, for example your flaps are u/s, and you are coming in high.

Cessna has had some complains about an certain flutter on the elevator when performing side-slips with flaps extended...

[lowanfast]

@1982shayne

There is nothing wrong with slipping while flaps are extended, so long as it is not prohibited as per the POH/AFM. The 172 POH recommends not to slip with flaps extended, as it may cause some occilations, but that does not mean you cannot do them safely.

And just because you've been flying since you were 17 doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about flying.

[ilikechile]

does anyone notice that its always a pain in the ass to close the door on a cessna?

[eprevhay]

i think the windows are worst

[186771054]

Yeah :) Shouldn't try to close the door like in the video though, will only lead to damage.

[danetrain0101]

@ilikechile

Yeah! I even flew a brand new SP and it was still hard as hell to get the handle to latch.

[plane63]

@ilikechile yeah cuz it isn't like a car door, you have to pull lightly and then latch it, which is a pain in the ass like u said

[scubakobe]

not fun to have the door fly open in flight. the older cessnas just dont latch that easily

[crash2161]

@scubakobe totally agree ive had older 152s doors spring open on me 4 or 5 times in the last few years. they are a pain in the ass

[unusmultorumm]

It also happened to me 3 times while flying a 150.

[Mrhelicopter]

@scubakobe my first flight was in a '46 luscombe and my door came open. scared the shit outta me =)

[BDBK666]

@scubakobe Well good thing the door cant fly open in flight lol, ever tried it?. Seriously though, your instructor didn't teach you to steer with the doors in flight in case you loose controls? If not, you should try it on your own and learn it. Probably never need it for real but its still fun and good to know just in case.

[scubakobe]

@BDBK666 Yes, I am aware of that

[GingBread]

The placards and POH just say not to do it w/ full flaps because the elevator could oscillate.

I was taught to do them w/ full (30 degree) flaps and don't think it is much of a concern- anyone know otherwise? I mean, besides Cessna's lawyers that is.

Nice slip by the way- I love doing those.

Was the runway length a concern as FSX asked?

[RobertGary1]

I never had a problem slipping with full flaps. In fact you can actually buy a tee-shirt now with a Cessna on it that says "Slips with Flaps" showing how little Cessna owners think of this stupid suggestion from Cessna.

[ritualghost]

i've always done slips with full flaps, of course thats kinda the point... if your too high and you have full flaps in with engine at idle and still need to loose some altitude, just side slip

[christianschererer]

the checklist for the 152 doesn't say anything bout flaps. the 172 *SP* and up does. just an observation. either way.

[Whitebear329]

Been a lot of years but I thought ya weren't supposed to slip a Cessna with flaps?

[roofy2k]

It's not prohibited, but if you do it in a 172 you have to be aware of the effect the flaps have on the tail when in an extended slip, because people experiencing it on final for the first time get in trouble, or so I've heard...

[dan5c]

That's what i thought also...

[musico81986]

Are you suppost to retract the flaps for takeoff? I thought you only leave one notch...?

Nice flying!

[cessna182tpilot]

not in a 152

[FSX404]

Depends on the takeoff, if its a short field or softfield takeoff you do.

Though on a touch and go you usually put them all the way up.

Speaking of touch and go's, what the heck are you doing touch and go's on a hot day on a 3200 foot runway? That is kond of pushing it in even in a 152.

[helmetfire150pilot]

10* flap not required for T/O in cessna 150 / 152

[FacetiousJosh]

@musico81986 You would leave a notch for a short field take off, otherwise no flaps required in a 152

[ihaveanenzoandphat]

The touch n' go at 2:58 was great. Nice flyin' man.

[AV8R4HM]

ahsenalijaved,

 You are pretty intellegent

[shortsk8er16]

What about 1800 RPM at the end for 5-10 secs.?

[jeremyshowalter]

Wow. Your base to (very short) final turn was at like 50'AGL on that last one... nice flying though.

[GedMpBasS]

Reminds me of the Cessna i train in, the paint job is nearly the same, and the only difference in Airframe is wheel fairing and a taxi and landing light. Looks like your plane only had the landing light, correct me if i'm wrong.

[infiniti08]

wow! Flabob! been there too! Also love that approach. Good job on the last landing!

[PA28140]

Nice job of keeping the nosewheel off the ground on the touch n go's... Good work overall!!!

[camp69]

Nice work, love the short crabs and especially your flare into the cushion. You seem to have the feel and timing though a little high on rotation out of slip. A higher CW would give you problems that high. Everyone has an opinion though, you did great.

[wlfpckrs]

You can get your Sport Certificate for $3,000-$3,500.

[moud22]

You seem to have a good instructor. What does the manual tell us? Never slip with full set flaps!

[Flyinguy]

That's only in certain aircraft, but in most high wing cessna's slips with full flaps are not recommend- due to the disruption of airflow over the tail.

[914Sti]

Slips with full flaps are perfectly acceptable in some models, such as the 172S. Check the POH.

[dcorman]

Yep, It's OK in the new 172SP's.. Also, that caution didn't apply to the 152.

[jochenheiden]

I fly T-41As, and they have up to 40° of flaps. The flight manual only states that slips are prohibited with more than 30° of flaps, but I never use more than 30 anyway.

[nearadyn]

I only ever do it with full flaps because I'm usually landing at the time. I'm not dead yet.

[mitgolden76]

thats true.. and at the same time, i've landed on a decently short strip with no flaps several times.. and i'm not dead yet either.. this is a stupid arguement i think.. the poh says one thing.. and he did another.. its not like the faa would call your house asking you why you did it, and not only did he survive, but nothing went wrong in the slightest way.

[motokid032]

How much did it cost for your PPL?

[mitgolden76]

nice slips and touch and go's.. maybe next lesson you and your instructor could work on closing the door, lmao.

[codewarrior78411]

Nice air work, cadet, but why is your instructor teaching you to slip a high wing with the flaps down. Most Cessna's don't care but other less forgiving planes might stall the leeward wing causing a very uncomfortable 'lurch' at low altitude.

[gpcpilot]

nice looking slip there kid!

[CueBall96]

didn't do your mag check on your shutdown.

[scubakobe]

thats weird, never saw that on my checklist, and oddly enough, the DPE didnt fail me for not doing that.

what's the world coming to?

[Flyinguy]

I love these guys who get their shorts in a knot over technique... their instructor tells them something and they think it's the eleventh commandment.

[flythec152]

@scubakobe my old flight school did not have that on their checklist either, but my current one does.

[lunchbag08]

mag check on shutdown? I have never done that in any of my training in the 152, not on my checklist and never failed or even mention on any stage check, check ride i have ever had. Not really sure here.

[jeremyc311709]

its just good to check sometimes... if you cant turn the engine off with the mags then that means that one mag wire is disconnected

[slowmocrow]

It's good practice. We have it on our checklist.

[witcherdude]

@CueBall96 mag check on shutdown? I have 50 hours in a 172, and will be taking my check ride this month and I've never done that. What plane do you do that in?

[mparker1010]

@CueBall96 Why would you do a mag check on shut down? Its not on the checklist.

[MrScaracs]

@mparker1010 ... it should be on it, if not, it's still a good practice... why? Then you know that the ing swith is working well, (ing switch is not only to launch the starter, it's to ground the mags) and that when you do your next pre-flight walk around and turn this prop by hand, the engine wont start in you face, chasing you on the tarmac! That's why!

[guitarguyf15]

@CueBall96

It's not on my checklist either, which I'll use for my checkride next saturday.

[halofreak200715645]

what do u mean "we?" who flew? how old is the kid w/ the gas pump?!?!

[MrsAriaAmour]

Flabob? Rubidoux?!! Nice Flying! Last time I was there was '81 and the airport was so run down we had to leave. Looks like someone takes good care of it now... Same old smog. When I went to school there at Mission Jr.

('70) you could not even see Mt. Rubidoux! If you ever get to land at Roseburg, OR. you'll love the scenery and no smog!!

[scubakobe]

Tom Wathen bought the airport. You live near Roseburg? A couple of years ago I did fly from Flabob to Roseburg in a C172. We usually drive to Roseburg every year, but flying is better.

[MrsAriaAmour]

Good to know Flabob was restored to an airport that doesn't make people want to leave! My dad took me there as an infant & told me my first words where "airplane"! No, don't live there yet but we're trying hard to move there! It's lovely but no restuarant @ RBG. There are nice ones @ Port Townsand, WA. Astoria, OR & the famous Flo's @ Brackett Firld. Not enuf airport cafes out there and hubby and i want to have one near RBG. Cooking and flying, = passion!

Take care!

[Anonymity0]

Hey! I've been to Flabob before. It's sure a small airport ;). Even smaller than my airport, KAJO/Corona, that has a 3200x60ft runway.

[Spacedgurl]

Try landing a pitts in which you cant even see the runway on landing.....looking out the side you have about 1 second to decide if centered and go around if not when the runway comes into sight.....it is pretty fun.

[Spacedgurl]

that is try landing a Pitts At Flabob....that is pretty fun!

[drummer987]

i just did my first forward slips the other day...there acutally pretty fun to do....go from 300 ft to 50 in like a second

[efnosmoke]

4.05 per gallon.Good old days.

[ChristopherBix]

I was impressed by the last approach... not sure what the proceedure is called, but coming in at such a severe angle to the runway, then turning at what looks like a very low altitude to line up and touchdown. Wow.

I have learned that low level/low speed turns are pretty perilous due to stall hazard. I assume you had to keep airspeed fairly high in order to do that maneuver?

[scubakobe]

That's called a forward slip. If you are high/fast enough, you can stay in the slip just until touchdown and straighten out with a safe amount of airspeed.

[GTPimp1]

Beautiful Cant wait unitl I can get back into the seat.

BTW I love the brown.

[737lvr]

if you ask me that thing needs to be repainted, maybe a White with purple stripes or blue or red stripes

[an2fiehler]

Good job...

[smaxwell30]

you almost got the first touch n go without the nose wheel touchin. good job

[masterchiefgtx]

lol, I remember when 100LL was only $4.05 per gallon...

[thetubeusernumber9]

lol, i remember when people didnt double post

[SenorSpode]

I remember when people weren't anal enough to notice or care...

[Transam941]

god I love that comment. My fucking AVGAS is 5.15, feel bad for the Europeans.

[MADTASS]

Great Video, talking of Avgas, he really ought to be wearing Protective Gloves when using/filling up with that stuff.

[Transam941]

nah, I never ever used them. Shit the people who do it for a living dont.

[MADTASS]

I do it for a Living. Jet-A Isn"t so bad, but Avgas can be very Unforgiving when in contact with skin. Someone told me the other day that if you spill some Avgas on a Jersey, any Static from that Jersey has the Potential to set it off an hour after the event. An Extremely Volatile Fuel. Excellent Video though.

[Transam941]

hmmm ok thats for informing me. I thought you had like sensitive skin or something. tehehehehe

[Transam941]

thanks*

[witcherdude]

@MADTASS I've gotten avgas on myself many a times, and never had any problem. I have also never spontaneously combusted from getting it on my clothes.

[slugger9203]

speaking of avgas, if only it was still $4.05 a gallon. lol (you can see the sign in the vid)

[ncn8ochaser]

how much are you guys paying for fuel nowadays man?

[masterchiefgtx]

lol, I remember when 100LL was only $4.05 per gallon...

[X6insane6X]

masterchiefgtx:

Where I work, 100LL just hit $6.00 a gallon.

My God, where will it all stop? lol

(probably not until our wallets are empty, of course ;-] )

[Nhecas]

i miss these airplanes...

gona fly big liners now, im sure i will miss the good old days... snifff snifff :(

[olsonr]

yea its good practice to try and get only the main's to touch in touch and goes. were u trying that here?

[kikikeywest1]

Great job of aviating...your second forward slip was really nice (that was during the engine out procedure?), you held it just to the right altitude before putting in the rudder. Very nice. Don't you just love to look out the left side window down the runway? :-)

[smimedia]

do you depart with zero flaps after the touch and go?!?

[htmlspinnr]

In a 152, zero flap is just fine unless you're doing short field work. In cooler weather, those planes will leap off the runway anyway.

[unclejohn607]

At high Density Altitudes (I live at mile high) no 152 will 'leap' off any runway, but I took one out at -40F (same as -40C), thought I was flying a tomcat! - hard to start any engine in severe cold but yes in cooler weather it's a great plane!

[lunchbag08]

lol i agree with you on that, You can tell the engine loves those cold days.

[215jami]

How do you land a DC 3 in Rubberducks ?

[Fezburn]

Hey kids, how do you know if you're standing next to an Airbus320 pilot? Answer: he'll tell you.

Now if you'll excuse me, my HORNET is double parked!

[hannibull]

was that a bit of downdraft right before landing?

[hannibull]

(at 2.52)

[xlqex]

All I can see is a heat haze (and runway, aeroplane etc.)

[norcalengineer]

Oh the memories. I got my license in '93 at Riverside RAL. I definitely remember those "white sky" hazy days when, without a cloud in the sky, you could still be in Special VFR conditions!

[bettigio]

Man, loved your video. Brought back memories when I started flying school in 1998.

Now on the Airbus320 I've lost all that fun, miss my C152!!!

[blackbird1080]

wow you got premoted to an airbus preety fast. did u do any regionals

[mikeb172sp]

Good job!

[bernieboy31a]

Well Done - good clean aviation - i ALWAYS enjoy slipping :-))

[Nextmanmusic]

Great looking 152

[fooeys]

Nice!! takes me back to my training days

[flattty]

eh scub, great flight.