It seems that again and again as the average person is put under a microscope their actions are dictated by a compulsion to identify themselves with some hyped up superficial expectation that they feel represents something of value, with complete disregard to the objective reality of the subject in question.
Did you ever think that maybe the "welfare mom" was truly a believer in conservative values and maybe, just maybe she acknowledged that she didn't make good choices in her life, which is why she was on welfare in the first place?
Yes, welfare is one of those programs that needs to be ELIMINATED, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER GOVERNMENT SCAMS. I would start with all of the WOMEN who get pregnant on purpose to get on the government dole (and/ or to trap the man). That's right, you get pregnant it is on your own dime----no wic, welfare, food stamps, well baby care, medicaid or ANY OF THOSE GOVERNMENT GOODIES. And if you cannot take care of your kids, you lose custody. With my plan, watch the illegitimate births go very very low.
@tickyul so if I understand you correctly, you want me to take care of some woman's child that you have decided got pregnant on purpose? Think about what you just said. I grew up on welfare. I later served in the military, got my BA and now make more than 75k a year. Welfare is a system that can be abused, just like any system, but it does help people. Some people need an incentive to want to help themselves which in turn allows them to produce in society. Remember that as you cut programs.
@mewpoet If you look at history, the great idea that these social programs is only a hand up......is pure bunk. There are families that have spent generations on the dole, they do not want to move up, content with sponging off the government. I will say it again, you pump out a little bastard, do it on your own dime. If you cannot raise the kid to a minimum standard, uh, duh, you lose custody. I do not feel these weeh-fare programs continue.
I think tonylee has said it all. I think the deepest truth is "I don't know". It is a rare human who can be comfortable with this and it is this discomfort with not knowing which pushes us to grab on to any ridiculous identity or to "believe" the most absurd things. When I say I "believe" , I have first admitted that I don't know. Why not just leave it at that? Why enter that wonderland of believing rather than just saying "I don't know"? Who am I? Why was I born? Is there a God? I don"t know.
I agreed with you up until this part. Why not just leave it at that?
It's like acknowledging you're an alcoholic and being content with that realization. What do you do with the fact that you dont know? I personally seek out everything I don't know because I believe reality exists for us to discover it, I also believe the majority of people are like you in that they consume, instead of produce, and thus have the liberty of other people solving what you dont know. but truth is personal :|
Thanks for your comments. Always good to see people reading and giving thought. I too seek the answers to everything. But until I Know I can only seek. I can know in the here and now that I am an alcoholic and can act on that realization. No need to believe. You say you "believe" that most people are like me in that they consume... The fact is that you know virtually nothing about me, so why believe? Why not seek to find out? If truth is personal then it cannot be solved for you by others.
I misunderstood this part "Why not just leave it at that?"
Unless you're some kind of inventor paving the future in some lab, you're most likely a consumer. Artists produce. Doctors consume. Lawyers consume. Police consume. politicians consume. architects produce. I hope you see where Im going with this, I'm not trying to offend anyone or belittle occupations but I see a terribly counter productive society based on the necessity of employment rather than the satisfaction of societal needs.
The terms "liberal" and "conservative" are often short-hand for open-minded vs. traditional, whether the people who call themselves those things are actually that. I know people who are on opposite sides who should actually switch sides because they don't fit the labels they ascribe to.
The marketing of political ideology is just that - marketing. If you're in an area where it's popular to be liberal, than you'll ascribe to that, unless you're a contrarian. It works the other way around.
i always hated shallow terms like these. They're touted as opposites on some kind of spectrum when in reality they're only different values of the same thing. i might liberal today, and conservative with another issue. this rigid system of definitions as highlighted in race, geography, religion, sex, etc only serve to segment society as much as possible so that we can never envision a collective future.
Read Article 1 Section 2-8 of the US Constitution and then come back and tell me how is it possible that it restrains them? It's not. It laid a foundation of taxation ( forced sysytem ) right under the preamble and did not define taxation! It gave a ruling class absolute control of law making! The constitution is what established a forced system! It puts us in a system of force. It doesn't apply 2 anyone, anyway! We have UCC courts. UCC is the law of commerce. UCC doesn't recognize constitution!
You can't create a better constitution! It's a piece of paper that allows them to control you! The constitution sets up govs, it allows for taxation and absolute control of law making by an elitist class. Taxation is a system of force! A piece of paper doesn't give your rights! Your born with them! The only thing a piece of paper does is tricks people into believing they get they're rights from it! Your born with unalienable rights no man can give or take them unless you let them!
We live in a forced system. It was set up that way. Article 1 Section 2-8 of constitution gave absolute power of taxation and law making 2 a centralized few over the many, it established a ruling class. Colonists never signed it, nor voted. Slave owners, & members of secret societies, and men knighted by King signed it. It's a system of FORCE. Taxation is FORCE. Every other promise AFTER taxation was moot. Why would they need to give representation in a forced system? or merely, illusion of it..
I actually met these two women. .. During the Dukakis campaign us voluteers ate at Denny's. The waitress there proclaimed herself as Republican while one of us .. the mom with the new fully-loaded Jeep Cherokee who phone banked with us, was in "real life", a high-end lawyer bringing $175/hr .. and that was back in '88!!
people that vote democrat vote against thier own interest-democrat raise taxes on small things that hurt poor people,fines and fees that the rich can afford easy-ask yourself this questions-almost every city is run by a democrat-every poor district is represented by a democrat that does not even live in that district and sends his kids to private schools while blocking vouchers -obama has gotten rid of the 1700 vouchers in DC0THESE KIDS WILL RETURN to DC schools-
Sort of what this video is about; I have noticed a lot of people choose one side or the other, not necessarily for self image, but they DO vote against what their best interests might be for whatever reason. A lot of them go for "it's the principal of the matter"
And I'm like bro I don't think it matters if you're a hypocrite just this once so you can afford to not wipe your ass with sandpaper for a while.
Heavy topic,Now (PA) one issue sticks out as the way these Repubs control. I told my parents that they have someone tell them HOW TO VOTE. Now I attend a church (with a friend) during the whole election "ABORTION" was how they pushed their "CHRISTIANS" to vote.Now they have skits that show this+Verbally POUND into their heads like The Dems.KILL babies.WE ARE NOT!One girl stood up Sat. + said Palousie is waiting for Prez Elect so she can push bill to abort Full TERM-9mth babies. OMG
This is a most enlightening video! The psychological term is compensation.
I know struggling people who actually support a flat tax. I now know why: They have dreams. They aspire to become wealthy. They want to retire with a couple million dollars, and they don't want to give half of it to the government.
Take Joe the plumber. If he got tax breaks now, he could save more toward that plumbing business he dreams about. Instead he is trying to maximize his future wealth. Ironic, isn't it?
In regards in general to blacks on welfare: frequently you hear mental midgets say "well there's more whites than blacks on welfare" which is barely true by some statistics. However, there's 6 times as many whites as blacks!!! So having nearly as many people on welfare as a group 6 times bigger than you isn't anything to be proud of. The stats show that whites are underepresented on welfare given they're 70% of the population and blacks are 3 times overrepresented given they're 12% of the pop
old joe, that "we" just doled out to the financial institutions? You mean that the rich doled out to the financial institutions. The rich pay most of the taxes, and Democrats claim their huge share of the tax burden already somehow isn't enough. Latest IRS figures from this year are that the bottom half of wage earners in the United States pay only 3% of the total federal income tax burden.
The uber rich pay very little in taxes. They garner most of their wealth via deals and investments. These are capital gains are are not taxed at all until they are realized -- at which point the tax is only 15%.
Meanwhile, the rest of us wage earners are taxed on our "ordinary income" -- a 28% rate for much of the middle class.
This is basic US tax policy. You really should know this.
I'm talking about wage earners, not investors. Those at the top pay nearly everything, the middle class help a little and the poor pay hardly any at all. Most of the federal tax burden is from income tax and most of that is from the rich.
So, even if we assume that whites on welfare break down 50/50 between parties, which is wrong because Democrats have more poor whites, we know blacks make up at least a third of the total welfare recipients by themselves. So if we take most of those as Democrats, let's say 30% instead of 33%, and split the white welfare recipients (60%) in half, being generous to Democrats, 30 + 30 would be at least 60% of all welfare recipients Democrat. It has to be due to large % of blacks on welfare.
oldjoe, the Gop is the party of not punishing people who succeed, or at least not punishing them as much as the Democrats would. Currently under the Bush tax cuts, the top 1% of wage earners make 20% of the wealth but pay 40% of all taxes and the top 10% of all wage earners pay 70% of all taxes. This is called being "for the rich" by Democrats.
LOL! Prove it, both are in bed with special interests, are infested with corruption, are self serving and don't give a damn about the people, there is an equal amount of this in both parties. Comprende?
All you say is true until you get to your last clause, stating both are equally corrupt.
Clearly the industrialists and financiers favor the GOP and they don't so out of national concern. The GOP has been THE party of the rich for over a century and nothing has changed recently. It is incumbent upon you to prove otherwise, no?
Among the poorest of the poor--single mothers, living below the poverty line with minor children to support 39.7 percent of AFDC clients are Black single mothers and 38.1 percent are White women with children. Food stamp recipients are 37.2 percent Black and 46.2 percent White. Medicaid benefits are paid to 27.5 percent Black recipients compared to 48.5 percent White clients. --Ebony magazine.
Democrats make up more welfare handout people than Republicans it's fact. A large part of this is the high % of minorities that vote Democrat. Blacks make up about 39% of all welfare recipients, while whites only make up 45% despite there being about 6 times as many whites as blacks. Presumably, since there are more poor Democrats than Republicans in general, there are also more white Democrats on welfare than white Republicans. Welfare is overwhelmingly given to Democrats.
I agree with you completely and the crazy thing is is that these stereotypes do not represent the true nature of the parties. Classic conservatism is almost completely different than neoconservatism but it doesnt matter because of the fact that neoconservatism represents none of the principles that classic conservatism stands for yet the image that they sell is the classic american values.
Your theory really helps to explain to me the Joe the plumber phenomenon. I couldn't understand why so many people who are not in that 200k+ or 250k+ bracket are so dead set against raising taxes on those who are to help fund the programs that they themselves, in fact, need in regards to health care and education and other problems, but your observation does make sense.
So many people of average income were commenting about Obama "spreading the wealth", making it seem like people would loose entire paychecks just so the poor can get more wellfare. How stupid can people be?
Well that wasn't the issue for me, don't tax more of the wealthy with the way the economy is. A lot of the top income people in this country provide a lot of jobs and if they get taxed more, they will make up for their losses, regardless of what the morals are for this, it does't mean that they care. They will do what they please and find necessary loops holes. The government needs to spend money wiser and reform programs, not just tax more, regardless of who is taxed. That is the problem.
That's very true. The other problem, is the government "creates" money, to pay their bills. This increases the national debt, increases inflation, and only makes the rich, richer!
Very true too, I wish I knew the best solution for this mess, but we will always have problems, but we can still try to keep them to a minimum. I didn't want Obama elected, but I do hope that he will help this country along, even though I have my doubts. Just have to deal with it and support your president and hope he does well, nothing can be done now. Even so though, his power and control is limited.
I am, but I am more indepedent than republican. Obama is just a little more to the left than I like. I just hope most people who voted for Obama voted for who he is rather than his race. You need a left wing and a right wing to fly america, too much to the left you crash and too much to the right you crash. I just hope this country lasts as long as we possibly can make it last. We still have it better than anyone else and will long as we fight for it. Well I have to go. Nice talking to you.
I feel it is important to conceptualize a world where people are products of their beliefs, not the image they are trying buy or sell to their communities.
I have only seen two of his many videos that this guy has but of the two vids I have seen I have to agree with him on what he has to say. I don't know what all his views are on other issues but the two vids I saw of this guy were very good and I was in agreement with him. So far he knows what he is talking about. Have to see more of his vids for his views to see if I agree with all what he says.
Don't rely on industry, rely on community and yourself, welfare means looking after those who need it when all options have failed or do not work, fullstop.
It,s funny how Republicans say Demicrates only want to offer welfare. Truth be told through my personal experience. 85,86,87,88,89,90 I was extreemly poor. My ex husband and I were on welfair for quite sometime. I had lived in public housing during Regans time, anyone could recieve welfare and remain on it. Regan was Republican and so was the house majority. Bush sr also was republican and welfare was without limits. Then came Clinton who reformed the Welfare system.
Clinton put a much needed time limit on how long you could recieve welfare and a much needed work requirement. Although around the time I was on welfare we couldn't find a job the mills where closing and the steel industry was being shipped over seas. My community crashed with the lost of the steel industry.
Who dissed free speech when there was a question mark? I just hope the democrats introduce the vice presidant,pull out stars that are iconic as folk!,get on the radio,put forward a breakdown of spending and since they're blue,true blue comes to mind in hard times and supporters and wise people do not be lazy!I mean isn't red the colour of communists,how ironic and an Alaskan senator has been had up again for ripping money,the party that turns a blind eye yet calls the kettle black,hmmm
Another thing; I have tried talking about this topic with people who I consider my friends, and family, and it seems like most of them are just not willing to believe that they're being manipulated. It's not even conspiracy theory, it's right there staring you in the face when you turn on the TV. I guess it's because it is very subtle, but life has really changed for me even in just the last 10 years. The brainwashing will be even more obvious in a few more years, but most people will not see it
I also find it interesting that we are being used in this way and not a lot of people seem to care. The idea of advertising to certain groups just creeps me out in a way.
I hate for the people in charge to tell me, "You are part of X group, so you should buy Y product," while at the same time telling me I am an individual. We have so many conflicting messages in this society, it is starting to feel more like 1984 every day.
ha, they thumbed me down again, we could play all night honey but somehow I don't see how its going to work, fly free. Separate i think, are you talking @ me mykol? or is Protean reactionary as hell? woteva that may be or am i making as much sense by my overuse of metaphors, least i pointed it out, dummies don't get much and I like to help and ask questions
hey who did the thumbs down to me, the dummie who tried to me i didn't know what this person was saying because they didn't know what i was saying, facetious, yes i like approval blaaa.
You're right about people wanting to purchase image, but speaking of image, sara palin bought 150 thousand$ of taxpayer dollars on designer clothing in the last TWELVE days to the election. This not only attacks her financial decision making and judgment, but also her image. Say goodbye the wholesome hockey mom who would easily fit as joe the plumbers neighbor, now she looks like paris hiltons or lindsay lohans hollywood mother. Too bad she can't purchase her way out of this.
That is what the discussion is about. Image and lifestyle are often narcissistic constructs.
People create a facade based on this corporate/political culture standards of image. It is a game framed for us to play by people who will gladly manipulate others for their own greed.
It is the core of american advertising. When junk food, soft-drink, and animal based food producers were no longer allowed to advertise false health claims.
They switched to lifestyle type advertising, and here we are
She didn't buy the clothes, she never picked out, nor asked for anything. The RNC were the ones who spent the money & it was for her AND her family, and half of the clothes were never see or worn by her. And they since have all been returned. The clothes were bought a month or so before the election came to a close. Just always, & I mean always research everything you hear, never believe anything until you know every side & detail of the story and then form your own opinion. Media never counts.
Not everyone has the time to be bothered with personal investigation of EVERYTHING, & I doubt everything you learned about any one politician was pure personal investigation without a journalist ID. Sure, I stand corrected on the facts, but be human. After all, I could use that same reasoning to suggest that the comments of strangers like you never count, guess that rules out what YOU have to say, but I'm a little bit more human than that to still stand respectfully corrected.
More than half of the clothes were never seen, nor worn. I just want everyone to know it was the RNC, not Palin, who bought or asked for the clothes. It was all the RNC's decision.
I don't care how or if the RNC returned the clothes, the RNC is corrupt either way, I'm just saying Palin had nothing to do with it. She just wore the clothes that she was told to wear, she did NOT ask for them.
Its the RNC and her words, you can call it reliable or not, but that depends on your definition of reliable. None of us were there, so both you and me go based of who we think are trustworthy, but the simple fact we were not there makes it impossible for us ever to know. It was McCain who selected her and the RNC who bought the unecessary clothes as a desperate try to revive their failing campaign, again she had nothing to do with it. Believe what you will.
I agree, but I do believe Palin to be trustworthy, its too bad that the RNC used her as a scapegoat for ther campaign. The RNC needs to be reformed, go back to Reagan conservitism, I don't what they are thinking nowadays.
Palin trustworthy? Whatever gave you that idea? The finding by a majority GOP committee that she was in violation of the Alaskan ethics law when she used her position as governor to pressure the top cop to fire her ex brother in law and then fired him when he failed to do so? All those rallies where she questioned Obama's patriotism inciting cries of kill him?
I don't remember the details on that story, but it was a big misunderstanding, and twist by the media and GOP. Things my friend, are not always as they seem, what is obvious often is not the truth. That was crazy people at the rallys that said that, not her, she doesn't control the minds of those people you know. I don't know why everyone wants to believe the worst of Palin, I just want to find the truth, not media biased.
It's odd how all the "crazy" people showed up to her rallies, and not Obama's or even McCain's. And I am sure her incendiary remarks like those about Obama palling around with terrorists had nothing to do with it.
The Right never accepts any responsibility for any of their actions -- odd given how much hot air they expend talking about how the poor and under-privileged need to take personal responsibility
Sorry if I am coming across biased, I just have talked or thought about politics for a while. I am not the best with words either. Her comment on Obama "palling around with terrorist" is true, he has worked with Bill Ayers, who is a known terrorist. I don't feel like talking about Ayers though, its irritating, lets just leave that as you either disagree or agree with me on what he is. I'm glad that we can have a civilized converstation, unlike others on youtube, even though we disagree.
Really explain to me how Bush is really a terrorist. And Ayers is a terrorist, bombing the pentagon and government building is terrorism. I can not stand Ayers, probably the same way you probably can't stand Bush. Bush is not a terrorist, he has been constantly bashed by the media, I hate the media with passion, all of them are biased, yes even fox, there is no honest media anymore. I can't stand how most people believe something just because its on the news.
Think, if the media praised Bush and said he was a great president through out his entire term, what would your opinion be of him now? What would society's opinion be of him? Don't give me "they were just telling the truth routine". The majority would like Bush if that was the case. Bill Ayers is a low life, far left radical professor, I'll give you that. Too far to the left wing OR right wing, and this, "airplane", America would crash. Bush is not a terrorist, Ayers is.
The question should be what would my opinion be of the media had they praised Bush throughout his 2 terms. And the answer is, even lower than it is now.
Bush invaded a nation, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands, based on trumped up intelligence and lies. He is either a moster or a moron.
Obama stood in the living room of a professor who was not on the run from the law.
Actually, it is a matter of not understanding logic.
Hell, Rummy and Cheney actually did business with Saddam while he was mass murdering the Kurds.
Obama met with a professor who had committed crimes decades earlier and who had done his time and was by now a well respected prof and political player
I will believe that when I see video tape evidence. Do you have any proof? You may not agree with Bush, but he is not a terrorist, if you want to call him a moron, thats fine though. Obama has worked with Ayers on some projects promoting radical left ideals. Ayers should have been thrown in jail back then, and still should be in there today. He does not believe in the American government or the constitution, he wants a communist nation for America. Man do I hate him.
Have you been to Iraq? The reason for the war was because it was a safe haven for terrorists. I know he has made some stupid decisions, but he tried to do what he thought was right, which is all he can do.
I think terrorists who only want the death of every American, and have taken out the World Trade Centers, and killed thousands of Americans already are the first ones that should be taken out. The Al qaeda and Taliban are far more dangerous. The number one purpose of the government is to first protect the people, because if we are dead how would anything else matter.
The first ones to go ashould be the Israelis and their traitorous supporters in the USA. Without their horrific crimes against muslims and arabs and without US support due to the opower of the Jewish Lobby, US would not have nearly the problems it does with the arabs and muslims. Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas et al would not even exist
You actually believe if the the Israelis and their supporters were gone there would be no terrorists? No group of people that would not want to see the downfall of America? Don't think that is a tad bit ignorant? Terrorists will always exist regardless of who the US supports or does not support.
Absolutely. You do know that Hamas , Hellbollah, PLO et al did not exist until Israel began occupying Gaza, W Bank, etc in 1967?
Tell ya what, let's give it a try. Completely shut down US financial, diplomatic, and military support of Israel and see how fast all the muslim nations stop being alleged enemies to the USA.
Even if we did that you actually believe the terrorists would just change their mind on how they felt about America? I'm sorry its not all about our support to Israel, it also has to do they do not beleive in our way of life.
Obama was working with Ayers in the nineties because they where on an educational board together ( they are both professors at the University of Chicago). What is radical left about that, they are co-workers? btw Ayers served his time for what he did what else do you want to do, kill him? That is the system if you serve your time you are free to go... Just let it go man, let it go...
that's the thing though, how do you know... I admit he could be, he could not... he teaches social justice at UofC how radical could that be... I have a 2 friends going to school there, I asked them... They have not said anything bad about Ayers. I can say with about 95% confidence that he is not teaching them how to make dirty bombs.
Well brainwashing is quite an interesting thing, if it happens to you, you never know it actually is. His teaching not how to make bombs, it has nothing to do with his Weatherman days, but with his view of what America should be, communism, socialism, marxism, whatever you want to call it.
Ayerss politics have hardly changed since his Weatherman days. He still talks about working full time to bring down American capitalism and imperialism. One of Ayerss big ideas is that the American public school system is nothing but a reflection of capitalist control. He says the mission of all teachers is to take back the classrooms and turn them into places for revolutionary change. He wants liberalism to be all that is taught in schools.
I never said he still throwing bombs. I am not saying liberlism is bad, but wanting schools to brainwash students at an early age to be liberal, and not just that but radical liberal is not a good thing. Schools should only teach facts, not propaganda right wing OR left wing. I have no problems with liberals myself, but I do have problems with far left socialist radical liberals.
I think you're the one who does not have any facts on Ayers, all you have stated about him is that he is a respected professor. YOU have not given me any facts about him. But how do you seem to think you know that I have no facts about Ayers? That is an assumption based on nothing. Who Ayers is and what he thinks and wants American is even more important because he is a professor, than what class he is teaching at this moment in time. Its very obvious what kind of person Ayers is when he speaks.
You are the ones making charges against Ayers, yet do not support them with any facts -- yet accuse me of not having any facts. Huh? You don't see the flaws in that logic?
Do your own research if you want to know the truth, there is plenty of evidence of his views of the world in his books and writings and speechs, thats were I have formed my opinion, but hell we will never get anywhere with anything we talk about. I think we should just agree to disagree, I don't feel like talking in circles anymore, lets just leave it at we will believe what we will and neither of us can change eathothers minds no matter what is said. We are too different.
Think about your statement. You don't remember the details -- but it was a big misunderstanding. (1) I gave you the details; (2) If you don't know the details yet are forming an opinion, don'thca think this is an indication of biased thinking?
I know what I remember thinking about it, I had already formed my opinion on the matter before. Since the election though, I have not thought about politics as much and have forgotten alot of details. I will have to double check it but I know it went down different than you stated, with the same people involved however. The republican's have made many mistakes, as the democrats also have, but both of them rarely take responsiblity for their actions. Both sides are corrupt in this day and age.
I understand completely what he means which is, its all bad essentially, almost post-modern but not as crap or else i wouldn't have left a comment.
e wants to be friends but i'm not sure i should, or what will I get out of this relationship as it were, do i need too, yes, it's called civil reciprocation and
my grammas crap, so wot, intelligensia aren't always right.
My preception is I'm not sure your for real as you look as big as a football player and not many people do, cause you say what we already think or the complete opposite of an extreme view already which is easy as it doesn't offeryour idea of a solution and otherwise it is just talking to the converted and you talk so fast about the same thing you almost say nothing.
Maybe write down what he says then write down the definition of every word he uses until you understand it? I think that might help you get past the dogma of words that most people go by, and actually understand his points.
I've always been a reject. I don't live by brand loyalty or name myself by a political party or religion. It's very creepy seeing people identify themselves by corporate owned lifestyle images.
As you hit on a bit, it seems to be a big hook for manipulation. I have net far to many people with no empirical backing for their beliefs.
Well said. This is very true. The same principles that apply to marketing products to consumers applies to selling a party to a voter, and why wouldn't it..?
You have nailed it! Without thought they spek the party line.
My Dad was ardent conservative and wanted out of Vietnam - wanted to abolish the IRS FED and the Dept of every GD Government thing wants abalanced budget and no government regulatores telling him what to do, etc. After years of listening to him rant and rave along comes Ron Paul speaking his language. So I get all excited about this find and go share it with my dad who tells me RP is a quack?!? Hes voted McCain.......
Excellent point. I have noticed the same phenomenon in Canada. For example, the only MP of the New Democratic Party (most left-leaning party of the big 3) in Quebec on the national scale was elected and re-elected in the riding of Outremont in a close race. This is a riding with a sizeable-enough wealthy population to predictably be Conservative or at least Liberal. However, political affiliations up here are more malleable it seems: scandals set the tone often for big changes in Ottawa.
Yes this is definatly how alot of people view politics alot of it is to do with imagery, and because of stereotypes, people are so deluded that there are global stereotypical ways of living and thinking, if you dont conform to it then you are wrong, a terrorist, ungodly, not a real american. These people need to get off their imaginary high horses and get back to reality. And nice video proteanview.
And that is exactly what the parties try to play on most of the time, and exactly what they count on. People in this country almost never vote based on intellect, they vote based on how a candidate makes them feel
and that's part of choosing a party to begin with. ESPECIALLY for the people who are preaching one way or another, if you get into any real sort of debate with them they really don't know what thier candidates stand for or what they've done outside the propaganda
Great video! Last year my dad tried to explain this to mean when I identified myself as a republican. But you broke it down so well.People must really open their eyes.
Wow, what a great analysis. Real good food for thought. It's kind of sad that people make up for their shortcomings by choosing the political party that is stereotypical of what they don't have.
Republicrats. In the end, they both are the same thing, they both like to spend money we don't have to create an image of America that is a lie. People that have difficulty thinking for themselves become reflections of society, they are microcosms of an ailing system that doesn't give a damn about them. Republican and democrat is a distraction, keep the masses thinking they can build an identity around something that will ultimately make a difference as soon as the other sees it their way.
I don't see how this "Team Governing" really helps us out. It seems petty and boarderline retarded the way one party wants to argue a white telephone is white, and invariably the other side will argue it's not, just because they can't agree with the other side, or else they "Lost" the arguement. No one should be allowed to be democrat or republican any more. We might actually get something done and help someone. Leave the team play to ESPN.
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Can you say "Get a life" Dude are you getting paid for this or are you a stay at home dude, creating MESS?! :) Is someone making you do this? Do i need to call help for you, maybe there is a secret message in this annoying voice, you're crying out for help, and were just not hearing it.... duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I have something to get off my chest, if you allow me ED: Come November, whoever "wins" will ultimately change NOTHING. Why, you may ask? Because we all know that they are nothing more than puppets who have their puppet masters pulling their strings. And we all know who those puppet masters are! Therefore, I have lost faith in the political system a long time ago!
A few flaws in your message:A Conservative wouldn't have had 2 abortions unless she is a recently converted one.Also,if she was a C she wouldn't be unemployed for a long pd. of time.Your sterotypical view of a lib is more accurate.They do tend to come from high end as well as low end and will vote party -if they vote at all.Conservatives tend to vote person.They weigh issues and look at their kids' future.You obviously lean liberal because your statements about Conservatives are negative.
When asked why did you vote for bush, the answer you would hear again and again was because he was the republican candidate and the person was a republican.
"You obviously lean liberal because your statements about Conservatives are negative."
It would appear universal that most people in a two party system do not vote for who they like, but for who they dislike least.
Northwest Evanston Il. is ultra-liberal and solidly wealthy and WHITE. I even saw a Kucinich for President sign! LOL!
These are the same people that wouldn't even let their children hang with any black people, yet have the John Kerry and now Obama signs on their well cared for, manicured lawns.
I alway's have found it so interesting that so many of the suburban moms that live in the suburbs of Chicago here are ALL Democrats!
They don't even LIVE near ANY minorities, let alone understand someone like me. I'm a white stay-at-home mom and have lived in intergrated Chicago and Evanston most of my life. I find these woman PHONIES!
What percentage of the voting public consider themselves independent, swing voter... etc ? Does anybody know? Also, should we not also consider the possibility that the 2 party system is flawed and that at the very least a first step is to open the presidential debates to more third party nominees. Smart articulate third party nominees, whose ideas the current nominees do not have to consider because the ideas are not being given enough msm airtime.
For anyone who is interested in how it has come to this, if you haven't already seen "The Century of the Self" I recommend watching atleast parts 1 and 2. It deals with the rise of corporate PR. Another good one is "Spin" my favorite part is when Larry King tells Clinton Turner could serve him well. "The Corporation" is good as well. All of them can be found free on the net. :)
your aint even real..? money suckin lier? i have sein many other Gurus who are real...no comersials!? where is the old Proteanview???When did you canche..?
sorry for my miss spellin...have a good day or night..peace
So in other words, a male or female that has the want and or need in their soul to be Free from any one non concerned (family is most sacride) group of folks, would most likely be a populist type of person.?
A person that does have willingness to think and do for themselves and their love ones. Great. Go for it. You need help, doing so? Call on us, we will help, as you want and need. That is idealistic. Democrats will throw you one, Repubicans, say swim for it.
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alennna 6 months ago
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So true.
It seems that again and again as the average person is put under a microscope their actions are dictated by a compulsion to identify themselves with some hyped up superficial expectation that they feel represents something of value, with complete disregard to the objective reality of the subject in question.
OmniVoid 6 months ago
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OmniVoid 6 months ago
Did you ever think that maybe the "welfare mom" was truly a believer in conservative values and maybe, just maybe she acknowledged that she didn't make good choices in her life, which is why she was on welfare in the first place?
sandorsbox 1 year ago
Yes, welfare is one of those programs that needs to be ELIMINATED, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER GOVERNMENT SCAMS. I would start with all of the WOMEN who get pregnant on purpose to get on the government dole (and/ or to trap the man). That's right, you get pregnant it is on your own dime----no wic, welfare, food stamps, well baby care, medicaid or ANY OF THOSE GOVERNMENT GOODIES. And if you cannot take care of your kids, you lose custody. With my plan, watch the illegitimate births go very very low.
tickyul 1 year ago
@tickyul so if I understand you correctly, you want me to take care of some woman's child that you have decided got pregnant on purpose? Think about what you just said. I grew up on welfare. I later served in the military, got my BA and now make more than 75k a year. Welfare is a system that can be abused, just like any system, but it does help people. Some people need an incentive to want to help themselves which in turn allows them to produce in society. Remember that as you cut programs.
mewpoet 1 year ago
@mewpoet If you look at history, the great idea that these social programs is only a hand up......is pure bunk. There are families that have spent generations on the dole, they do not want to move up, content with sponging off the government. I will say it again, you pump out a little bastard, do it on your own dime. If you cannot raise the kid to a minimum standard, uh, duh, you lose custody. I do not feel these weeh-fare programs continue.
tickyul 1 year ago
what did you mean by saying the one with two abortions under his bet is a vocal conservitave???
yankeepunk3000 2 years ago
I think tonylee has said it all. I think the deepest truth is "I don't know". It is a rare human who can be comfortable with this and it is this discomfort with not knowing which pushes us to grab on to any ridiculous identity or to "believe" the most absurd things. When I say I "believe" , I have first admitted that I don't know. Why not just leave it at that? Why enter that wonderland of believing rather than just saying "I don't know"? Who am I? Why was I born? Is there a God? I don"t know.
bonook8 2 years ago
I agreed with you up until this part. Why not just leave it at that?
It's like acknowledging you're an alcoholic and being content with that realization. What do you do with the fact that you dont know? I personally seek out everything I don't know because I believe reality exists for us to discover it, I also believe the majority of people are like you in that they consume, instead of produce, and thus have the liberty of other people solving what you dont know. but truth is personal :|
part2themovie 2 years ago
Thanks for your comments. Always good to see people reading and giving thought. I too seek the answers to everything. But until I Know I can only seek. I can know in the here and now that I am an alcoholic and can act on that realization. No need to believe. You say you "believe" that most people are like me in that they consume... The fact is that you know virtually nothing about me, so why believe? Why not seek to find out? If truth is personal then it cannot be solved for you by others.
bonook8 2 years ago
I misunderstood this part "Why not just leave it at that?"
Unless you're some kind of inventor paving the future in some lab, you're most likely a consumer. Artists produce. Doctors consume. Lawyers consume. Police consume. politicians consume. architects produce. I hope you see where Im going with this, I'm not trying to offend anyone or belittle occupations but I see a terribly counter productive society based on the necessity of employment rather than the satisfaction of societal needs.
part2themovie 2 years ago
The terms "liberal" and "conservative" are often short-hand for open-minded vs. traditional, whether the people who call themselves those things are actually that. I know people who are on opposite sides who should actually switch sides because they don't fit the labels they ascribe to.
The marketing of political ideology is just that - marketing. If you're in an area where it's popular to be liberal, than you'll ascribe to that, unless you're a contrarian. It works the other way around.
Turtleposer 2 years ago
i always hated shallow terms like these. They're touted as opposites on some kind of spectrum when in reality they're only different values of the same thing. i might liberal today, and conservative with another issue. this rigid system of definitions as highlighted in race, geography, religion, sex, etc only serve to segment society as much as possible so that we can never envision a collective future.
part2themovie 2 years ago
Read Article 1 Section 2-8 of the US Constitution and then come back and tell me how is it possible that it restrains them? It's not. It laid a foundation of taxation ( forced sysytem ) right under the preamble and did not define taxation! It gave a ruling class absolute control of law making! The constitution is what established a forced system! It puts us in a system of force. It doesn't apply 2 anyone, anyway! We have UCC courts. UCC is the law of commerce. UCC doesn't recognize constitution!
ang9967 2 years ago
You can't create a better constitution! It's a piece of paper that allows them to control you! The constitution sets up govs, it allows for taxation and absolute control of law making by an elitist class. Taxation is a system of force! A piece of paper doesn't give your rights! Your born with them! The only thing a piece of paper does is tricks people into believing they get they're rights from it! Your born with unalienable rights no man can give or take them unless you let them!
ang9967 2 years ago
We live in a forced system. It was set up that way. Article 1 Section 2-8 of constitution gave absolute power of taxation and law making 2 a centralized few over the many, it established a ruling class. Colonists never signed it, nor voted. Slave owners, & members of secret societies, and men knighted by King signed it. It's a system of FORCE. Taxation is FORCE. Every other promise AFTER taxation was moot. Why would they need to give representation in a forced system? or merely, illusion of it..
ang9967 2 years ago
Who am I?
tonylee1973 2 years ago
I actually met these two women. .. During the Dukakis campaign us voluteers ate at Denny's. The waitress there proclaimed herself as Republican while one of us .. the mom with the new fully-loaded Jeep Cherokee who phone banked with us, was in "real life", a high-end lawyer bringing $175/hr .. and that was back in '88!!
milkgodnl 2 years ago
last major city run by a republican and when he came in ,it was one of the worst-who was that? Rudy Giulani
playsetman 2 years ago
people that vote democrat vote against thier own interest-democrat raise taxes on small things that hurt poor people,fines and fees that the rich can afford easy-ask yourself this questions-almost every city is run by a democrat-every poor district is represented by a democrat that does not even live in that district and sends his kids to private schools while blocking vouchers -obama has gotten rid of the 1700 vouchers in DC0THESE KIDS WILL RETURN to DC schools-
playsetman 2 years ago
DC schools cost 13,500 per student,worst in nation-Voucher(8,500) paid full for private school-(DC was saving 5,000-
playsetman 2 years ago
Sort of what this video is about; I have noticed a lot of people choose one side or the other, not necessarily for self image, but they DO vote against what their best interests might be for whatever reason. A lot of them go for "it's the principal of the matter"
And I'm like bro I don't think it matters if you're a hypocrite just this once so you can afford to not wipe your ass with sandpaper for a while.
IAmPhotoBucket 2 years ago
Really interesting vlog, interesting insights, thank you
TheSpartacat 2 years ago
In this age of image we are ruled by cult of personality more than reason. sad
hellavadeal 3 years ago 6
I have lived in both worlds. Poor, in the middle and rich. I am also an independent! Yet, I have picked across parties, as well.
It may be that your analysis applies to the select group you have chosen. But, it does not apply to me, and I am sure others.
I cant think of anything that a candidate I have voted for has uniquely his/her own, that I cant have too.
KARIN094 3 years ago
Heavy topic,Now (PA) one issue sticks out as the way these Repubs control. I told my parents that they have someone tell them HOW TO VOTE. Now I attend a church (with a friend) during the whole election "ABORTION" was how they pushed their "CHRISTIANS" to vote.Now they have skits that show this+Verbally POUND into their heads like The Dems.KILL babies.WE ARE NOT!One girl stood up Sat. + said Palousie is waiting for Prez Elect so she can push bill to abort Full TERM-9mth babies. OMG
nancyl2 3 years ago
revolution is the solution
MilitantBlak2009 3 years ago 2
This is a most enlightening video! The psychological term is compensation.
I know struggling people who actually support a flat tax. I now know why: They have dreams. They aspire to become wealthy. They want to retire with a couple million dollars, and they don't want to give half of it to the government.
Take Joe the plumber. If he got tax breaks now, he could save more toward that plumbing business he dreams about. Instead he is trying to maximize his future wealth. Ironic, isn't it?
biantai888 3 years ago
I like your social commentary.
MaxwellBennett 3 years ago
In regards in general to blacks on welfare: frequently you hear mental midgets say "well there's more whites than blacks on welfare" which is barely true by some statistics. However, there's 6 times as many whites as blacks!!! So having nearly as many people on welfare as a group 6 times bigger than you isn't anything to be proud of. The stats show that whites are underepresented on welfare given they're 70% of the population and blacks are 3 times overrepresented given they're 12% of the pop
RuflessRecords 3 years ago
I take it you are not counting the hundreds of billions in welfare that we just doled out the financial institutions?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
old joe, that "we" just doled out to the financial institutions? You mean that the rich doled out to the financial institutions. The rich pay most of the taxes, and Democrats claim their huge share of the tax burden already somehow isn't enough. Latest IRS figures from this year are that the bottom half of wage earners in the United States pay only 3% of the total federal income tax burden.
RuflessRecords 3 years ago
The uber rich pay very little in taxes. They garner most of their wealth via deals and investments. These are capital gains are are not taxed at all until they are realized -- at which point the tax is only 15%.
Meanwhile, the rest of us wage earners are taxed on our "ordinary income" -- a 28% rate for much of the middle class.
This is basic US tax policy. You really should know this.
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I'm talking about wage earners, not investors. Those at the top pay nearly everything, the middle class help a little and the poor pay hardly any at all. Most of the federal tax burden is from income tax and most of that is from the rich.
RuflessRecords 3 years ago 2
Did you not read what I typed? R U unaware of US tax policy? if you are talking about wage earners, you are not talking about the truly rich.
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I'm talking about who pays most of the taxes (and the bailout) and it's the rich. If you prefer rich wage earners to rich investors, good for you.
RuflessRecords 3 years ago 2
So, even if we assume that whites on welfare break down 50/50 between parties, which is wrong because Democrats have more poor whites, we know blacks make up at least a third of the total welfare recipients by themselves. So if we take most of those as Democrats, let's say 30% instead of 33%, and split the white welfare recipients (60%) in half, being generous to Democrats, 30 + 30 would be at least 60% of all welfare recipients Democrat. It has to be due to large % of blacks on welfare.
RuflessRecords 3 years ago
So you agree that the GOP is the party of the rich
oldjoe5 3 years ago
oldjoe, the Gop is the party of not punishing people who succeed, or at least not punishing them as much as the Democrats would. Currently under the Bush tax cuts, the top 1% of wage earners make 20% of the wealth but pay 40% of all taxes and the top 10% of all wage earners pay 70% of all taxes. This is called being "for the rich" by Democrats.
RuflessRecords 3 years ago 2
Just the GOP? Lol both parties are the parties of the rich.
bittergunowner12 3 years ago
Of course they are. But the GOP is more the party of the rich than the Dems. Comprende?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
LOL! Prove it, both are in bed with special interests, are infested with corruption, are self serving and don't give a damn about the people, there is an equal amount of this in both parties. Comprende?
bittergunowner12 3 years ago
All you say is true until you get to your last clause, stating both are equally corrupt.
Clearly the industrialists and financiers favor the GOP and they don't so out of national concern. The GOP has been THE party of the rich for over a century and nothing has changed recently. It is incumbent upon you to prove otherwise, no?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Among the poorest of the poor--single mothers, living below the poverty line with minor children to support 39.7 percent of AFDC clients are Black single mothers and 38.1 percent are White women with children. Food stamp recipients are 37.2 percent Black and 46.2 percent White. Medicaid benefits are paid to 27.5 percent Black recipients compared to 48.5 percent White clients. --Ebony magazine.
RuflessRecords 3 years ago
Democrats make up more welfare handout people than Republicans it's fact. A large part of this is the high % of minorities that vote Democrat. Blacks make up about 39% of all welfare recipients, while whites only make up 45% despite there being about 6 times as many whites as blacks. Presumably, since there are more poor Democrats than Republicans in general, there are also more white Democrats on welfare than white Republicans. Welfare is overwhelmingly given to Democrats.
RuflessRecords 3 years ago 2
I agree with you completely and the crazy thing is is that these stereotypes do not represent the true nature of the parties. Classic conservatism is almost completely different than neoconservatism but it doesnt matter because of the fact that neoconservatism represents none of the principles that classic conservatism stands for yet the image that they sell is the classic american values.
hannel19 3 years ago 5
very interesting and intelligent commentary. You should be on CNN lol
seanmcneely32 3 years ago
i think what your describing is what i call " old america " may your country never
elect a republican president again.
rbirrell 3 years ago
U KNOW ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS sorry for the caps a republican
Janilenae2007 3 years ago
Your theory really helps to explain to me the Joe the plumber phenomenon. I couldn't understand why so many people who are not in that 200k+ or 250k+ bracket are so dead set against raising taxes on those who are to help fund the programs that they themselves, in fact, need in regards to health care and education and other problems, but your observation does make sense.
jennee45 3 years ago
So many people of average income were commenting about Obama "spreading the wealth", making it seem like people would loose entire paychecks just so the poor can get more wellfare. How stupid can people be?
broli1111 3 years ago
Well that wasn't the issue for me, don't tax more of the wealthy with the way the economy is. A lot of the top income people in this country provide a lot of jobs and if they get taxed more, they will make up for their losses, regardless of what the morals are for this, it does't mean that they care. They will do what they please and find necessary loops holes. The government needs to spend money wiser and reform programs, not just tax more, regardless of who is taxed. That is the problem.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
That's very true. The other problem, is the government "creates" money, to pay their bills. This increases the national debt, increases inflation, and only makes the rich, richer!
broli1111 3 years ago
Very true too, I wish I knew the best solution for this mess, but we will always have problems, but we can still try to keep them to a minimum. I didn't want Obama elected, but I do hope that he will help this country along, even though I have my doubts. Just have to deal with it and support your president and hope he does well, nothing can be done now. Even so though, his power and control is limited.
mbmusic321 3 years ago 2
I take it you're a republican, if so, that's cool. Another problem we face, is failure's to work together to solve mutual problems.
To that end, I think it's great a black man is president. It shows that america is moving above racism, bigotry, and all the other social problems.
broli1111 3 years ago
I am, but I am more indepedent than republican. Obama is just a little more to the left than I like. I just hope most people who voted for Obama voted for who he is rather than his race. You need a left wing and a right wing to fly america, too much to the left you crash and too much to the right you crash. I just hope this country lasts as long as we possibly can make it last. We still have it better than anyone else and will long as we fight for it. Well I have to go. Nice talking to you.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
It was nice talking to you to. I didn't care about race, I just voted for who I thought shared my interests.
broli1111 3 years ago
Are you okay?
You must be in utter turmoil after this election!!!
...and to boot it was not a close call.
The idea of a BLACK MAN winning must be driving you bonkers!!!
WhoMadeDaPotatoSalad 3 years ago 2
I feel it is important to conceptualize a world where people are products of their beliefs, not the image they are trying buy or sell to their communities.
beaveraccountant 3 years ago
good video, when are you going to post more???
you should speak louder and slow down a bit.
Truth.
TruthIsSpoken 3 years ago
I have only seen two of his many videos that this guy has but of the two vids I have seen I have to agree with him on what he has to say. I don't know what all his views are on other issues but the two vids I saw of this guy were very good and I was in agreement with him. So far he knows what he is talking about. Have to see more of his vids for his views to see if I agree with all what he says.
gretscher 3 years ago
watch 'fuck you buddy' doco, bbc on here
ampallang7 3 years ago
i think this video was well presented but i think people still act in their own interests to survive, so the comparison shouldn't be symmetric
useyourdelusion 3 years ago 2
Don't rely on industry, rely on community and yourself, welfare means looking after those who need it when all options have failed or do not work, fullstop.
ampallang7 3 years ago
It,s funny how Republicans say Demicrates only want to offer welfare. Truth be told through my personal experience. 85,86,87,88,89,90 I was extreemly poor. My ex husband and I were on welfair for quite sometime. I had lived in public housing during Regans time, anyone could recieve welfare and remain on it. Regan was Republican and so was the house majority. Bush sr also was republican and welfare was without limits. Then came Clinton who reformed the Welfare system.
lokigotya68 3 years ago
Clinton put a much needed time limit on how long you could recieve welfare and a much needed work requirement. Although around the time I was on welfare we couldn't find a job the mills where closing and the steel industry was being shipped over seas. My community crashed with the lost of the steel industry.
lokigotya68 3 years ago
Some great insight there.
TomLandrysHat 3 years ago
that has been proved
ampallang7 3 years ago
Who dissed free speech when there was a question mark? I just hope the democrats introduce the vice presidant,pull out stars that are iconic as folk!,get on the radio,put forward a breakdown of spending and since they're blue,true blue comes to mind in hard times and supporters and wise people do not be lazy!I mean isn't red the colour of communists,how ironic and an Alaskan senator has been had up again for ripping money,the party that turns a blind eye yet calls the kettle black,hmmm
ampallang7 3 years ago
so this video says that most people vote based on stereotypes?
Dalarna3 3 years ago
No, not at all. Check out 4:36 where he specifically says, "...sometimes, not all the time, not even half the time or most of the time..."
7jack7 3 years ago
this video was very confusing. i do think its true what he says about people choosing their party out of image
Dalarna3 3 years ago
Another thing; I have tried talking about this topic with people who I consider my friends, and family, and it seems like most of them are just not willing to believe that they're being manipulated. It's not even conspiracy theory, it's right there staring you in the face when you turn on the TV. I guess it's because it is very subtle, but life has really changed for me even in just the last 10 years. The brainwashing will be even more obvious in a few more years, but most people will not see it
Dadge42 3 years ago
I also find it interesting that we are being used in this way and not a lot of people seem to care. The idea of advertising to certain groups just creeps me out in a way.
I hate for the people in charge to tell me, "You are part of X group, so you should buy Y product," while at the same time telling me I am an individual. We have so many conflicting messages in this society, it is starting to feel more like 1984 every day.
Dadge42 3 years ago
Well spoken.
growsupplies 3 years ago
person even deleted their comments, weak
ampallang7 3 years ago
ha, they thumbed me down again, we could play all night honey but somehow I don't see how its going to work, fly free. Separate i think, are you talking @ me mykol? or is Protean reactionary as hell? woteva that may be or am i making as much sense by my overuse of metaphors, least i pointed it out, dummies don't get much and I like to help and ask questions
ampallang7 3 years ago
Someone once said "Imagination is everything"
mykol13v 3 years ago
hey who did the thumbs down to me, the dummie who tried to me i didn't know what this person was saying because they didn't know what i was saying, facetious, yes i like approval blaaa.
ampallang7 3 years ago
You're right about people wanting to purchase image, but speaking of image, sara palin bought 150 thousand$ of taxpayer dollars on designer clothing in the last TWELVE days to the election. This not only attacks her financial decision making and judgment, but also her image. Say goodbye the wholesome hockey mom who would easily fit as joe the plumbers neighbor, now she looks like paris hiltons or lindsay lohans hollywood mother. Too bad she can't purchase her way out of this.
Mortello 3 years ago
That is what the discussion is about. Image and lifestyle are often narcissistic constructs.
People create a facade based on this corporate/political culture standards of image. It is a game framed for us to play by people who will gladly manipulate others for their own greed.
It is the core of american advertising. When junk food, soft-drink, and animal based food producers were no longer allowed to advertise false health claims.
They switched to lifestyle type advertising, and here we are
0lord0kinbote0 3 years ago
She didn't buy the clothes, she never picked out, nor asked for anything. The RNC were the ones who spent the money & it was for her AND her family, and half of the clothes were never see or worn by her. And they since have all been returned. The clothes were bought a month or so before the election came to a close. Just always, & I mean always research everything you hear, never believe anything until you know every side & detail of the story and then form your own opinion. Media never counts.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Not everyone has the time to be bothered with personal investigation of EVERYTHING, & I doubt everything you learned about any one politician was pure personal investigation without a journalist ID. Sure, I stand corrected on the facts, but be human. After all, I could use that same reasoning to suggest that the comments of strangers like you never count, guess that rules out what YOU have to say, but I'm a little bit more human than that to still stand respectfully corrected.
Mortello 3 years ago
I didn't know you could buy thousands of dollars of clothes, use them, and then return them
oldjoe5 3 years ago
More than half of the clothes were never seen, nor worn. I just want everyone to know it was the RNC, not Palin, who bought or asked for the clothes. It was all the RNC's decision.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
But how do you "return" used clothes. They put this story out there -- but it has no credibility
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I don't care how or if the RNC returned the clothes, the RNC is corrupt either way, I'm just saying Palin had nothing to do with it. She just wore the clothes that she was told to wear, she did NOT ask for them.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
How do you know she returned them to the RNC?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
How do you know she didn't?
mbmusic321 3 years ago
I am not claiming she did or did not. You are the one who said she returned them. Where did you get this info and why do you find it reliable?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Its the RNC and her words, you can call it reliable or not, but that depends on your definition of reliable. None of us were there, so both you and me go based of who we think are trustworthy, but the simple fact we were not there makes it impossible for us ever to know. It was McCain who selected her and the RNC who bought the unecessary clothes as a desperate try to revive their failing campaign, again she had nothing to do with it. Believe what you will.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Of course I don't consider the RNC words reliable. To accept what they say as the truth without question seems a bit foolish, dontcha think?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I agree, but I do believe Palin to be trustworthy, its too bad that the RNC used her as a scapegoat for ther campaign. The RNC needs to be reformed, go back to Reagan conservitism, I don't what they are thinking nowadays.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Palin trustworthy? Whatever gave you that idea? The finding by a majority GOP committee that she was in violation of the Alaskan ethics law when she used her position as governor to pressure the top cop to fire her ex brother in law and then fired him when he failed to do so? All those rallies where she questioned Obama's patriotism inciting cries of kill him?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I don't remember the details on that story, but it was a big misunderstanding, and twist by the media and GOP. Things my friend, are not always as they seem, what is obvious often is not the truth. That was crazy people at the rallys that said that, not her, she doesn't control the minds of those people you know. I don't know why everyone wants to believe the worst of Palin, I just want to find the truth, not media biased.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
It's odd how all the "crazy" people showed up to her rallies, and not Obama's or even McCain's. And I am sure her incendiary remarks like those about Obama palling around with terrorists had nothing to do with it.
The Right never accepts any responsibility for any of their actions -- odd given how much hot air they expend talking about how the poor and under-privileged need to take personal responsibility
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Sorry if I am coming across biased, I just have talked or thought about politics for a while. I am not the best with words either. Her comment on Obama "palling around with terrorist" is true, he has worked with Bill Ayers, who is a known terrorist. I don't feel like talking about Ayers though, its irritating, lets just leave that as you either disagree or agree with me on what he is. I'm glad that we can have a civilized converstation, unlike others on youtube, even though we disagree.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Bill Ayers is professor, not a terrorist. GW Bush is a terrorist
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Really explain to me how Bush is really a terrorist. And Ayers is a terrorist, bombing the pentagon and government building is terrorism. I can not stand Ayers, probably the same way you probably can't stand Bush. Bush is not a terrorist, he has been constantly bashed by the media, I hate the media with passion, all of them are biased, yes even fox, there is no honest media anymore. I can't stand how most people believe something just because its on the news.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Think, if the media praised Bush and said he was a great president through out his entire term, what would your opinion be of him now? What would society's opinion be of him? Don't give me "they were just telling the truth routine". The majority would like Bush if that was the case. Bill Ayers is a low life, far left radical professor, I'll give you that. Too far to the left wing OR right wing, and this, "airplane", America would crash. Bush is not a terrorist, Ayers is.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
The question should be what would my opinion be of the media had they praised Bush throughout his 2 terms. And the answer is, even lower than it is now.
Bush invaded a nation, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands, based on trumped up intelligence and lies. He is either a moster or a moron.
Obama stood in the living room of a professor who was not on the run from the law.
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I wonder if there is even one thing we agree on? Probably not, uh?
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Here is an interesting fact, don't take it the wrong way. This is TRUE.
What does Obama have in common with Osama Bin Laden?
They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.
I don't care what Obamas age was at the time.
It just a matter of principles and good morals and judgement to me.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Actually, it is a matter of not understanding logic.
Hell, Rummy and Cheney actually did business with Saddam while he was mass murdering the Kurds.
Obama met with a professor who had committed crimes decades earlier and who had done his time and was by now a well respected prof and political player
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I will believe that when I see video tape evidence. Do you have any proof? You may not agree with Bush, but he is not a terrorist, if you want to call him a moron, thats fine though. Obama has worked with Ayers on some projects promoting radical left ideals. Ayers should have been thrown in jail back then, and still should be in there today. He does not believe in the American government or the constitution, he wants a communist nation for America. Man do I hate him.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
How is Bush not a terrorist or a moron? He invaded a nation, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands, based on made up intell.
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Have you been to Iraq? The reason for the war was because it was a safe haven for terrorists. I know he has made some stupid decisions, but he tried to do what he thought was right, which is all he can do.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
I thought the reason was that Iraq had WMDs and also somehow (how I do not know) was a threat to the USA?
He messed up. Big time. How do you know he tried to do what was right? He clearly lied to us
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Do you believe we should never gone anywhere in the middle east to take out the terrorists?
mbmusic321 3 years ago
We first need to eliminate the terrorists in our midst, most prominently AIPAC
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I think terrorists who only want the death of every American, and have taken out the World Trade Centers, and killed thousands of Americans already are the first ones that should be taken out. The Al qaeda and Taliban are far more dangerous. The number one purpose of the government is to first protect the people, because if we are dead how would anything else matter.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
The first ones to go ashould be the Israelis and their traitorous supporters in the USA. Without their horrific crimes against muslims and arabs and without US support due to the opower of the Jewish Lobby, US would not have nearly the problems it does with the arabs and muslims. Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas et al would not even exist
oldjoe5 3 years ago
You actually believe if the the Israelis and their supporters were gone there would be no terrorists? No group of people that would not want to see the downfall of America? Don't think that is a tad bit ignorant? Terrorists will always exist regardless of who the US supports or does not support.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Absolutely. You do know that Hamas , Hellbollah, PLO et al did not exist until Israel began occupying Gaza, W Bank, etc in 1967?
Tell ya what, let's give it a try. Completely shut down US financial, diplomatic, and military support of Israel and see how fast all the muslim nations stop being alleged enemies to the USA.
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Even if we did that you actually believe the terrorists would just change their mind on how they felt about America? I'm sorry its not all about our support to Israel, it also has to do they do not beleive in our way of life.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Very well said. That second paragraph is nothing short of the absolute truth. I feel good now, thank you.
thepurplemann 3 years ago 2
"Absolutely. You do know that Hamas , Hellbollah, PLO et al did not exist until Israel began occupying Gaza, W Bank, etc in 1967?"
And tell me. Why did they do this? I bet you will find that it was the result of a provocation against them.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
Why did they do what? Come into existence? To fight against Israeli occupation and repression of course.
oldjoe5 3 years ago
That and our stop of oil importation...
Morgoth295 3 years ago
Obama was working with Ayers in the nineties because they where on an educational board together ( they are both professors at the University of Chicago). What is radical left about that, they are co-workers? btw Ayers served his time for what he did what else do you want to do, kill him? That is the system if you serve your time you are free to go... Just let it go man, let it go...
Unekwu89 3 years ago
I would if he wasn't pushing radical left ideas on his students.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
that's the thing though, how do you know... I admit he could be, he could not... he teaches social justice at UofC how radical could that be... I have a 2 friends going to school there, I asked them... They have not said anything bad about Ayers. I can say with about 95% confidence that he is not teaching them how to make dirty bombs.
Unekwu89 3 years ago
Well brainwashing is quite an interesting thing, if it happens to you, you never know it actually is. His teaching not how to make bombs, it has nothing to do with his Weatherman days, but with his view of what America should be, communism, socialism, marxism, whatever you want to call it.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
What details do you have on Ayer's professorship?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Ayerss politics have hardly changed since his Weatherman days. He still talks about working full time to bring down American capitalism and imperialism. One of Ayerss big ideas is that the American public school system is nothing but a reflection of capitalist control. He says the mission of all teachers is to take back the classrooms and turn them into places for revolutionary change. He wants liberalism to be all that is taught in schools.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Really. He still throwing bombs is he?
I did not know liberalism is a crime now.
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I never said he still throwing bombs. I am not saying liberlism is bad, but wanting schools to brainwash students at an early age to be liberal, and not just that but radical liberal is not a good thing. Schools should only teach facts, not propaganda right wing OR left wing. I have no problems with liberals myself, but I do have problems with far left socialist radical liberals.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
You really have no facts do you? You have no idea about what Ayers is doing now, his relationship to Obama, what his legal record is.
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I think you're the one who does not have any facts on Ayers, all you have stated about him is that he is a respected professor. YOU have not given me any facts about him. But how do you seem to think you know that I have no facts about Ayers? That is an assumption based on nothing. Who Ayers is and what he thinks and wants American is even more important because he is a professor, than what class he is teaching at this moment in time. Its very obvious what kind of person Ayers is when he speaks.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
You are the ones making charges against Ayers, yet do not support them with any facts -- yet accuse me of not having any facts. Huh? You don't see the flaws in that logic?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
Do your own research if you want to know the truth, there is plenty of evidence of his views of the world in his books and writings and speechs, thats were I have formed my opinion, but hell we will never get anywhere with anything we talk about. I think we should just agree to disagree, I don't feel like talking in circles anymore, lets just leave it at we will believe what we will and neither of us can change eathothers minds no matter what is said. We are too different.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
Think about your statement. You don't remember the details -- but it was a big misunderstanding. (1) I gave you the details; (2) If you don't know the details yet are forming an opinion, don'thca think this is an indication of biased thinking?
oldjoe5 3 years ago
I know what I remember thinking about it, I had already formed my opinion on the matter before. Since the election though, I have not thought about politics as much and have forgotten alot of details. I will have to double check it but I know it went down different than you stated, with the same people involved however. The republican's have made many mistakes, as the democrats also have, but both of them rarely take responsiblity for their actions. Both sides are corrupt in this day and age.
mbmusic321 3 years ago
I understand completely what he means which is, its all bad essentially, almost post-modern but not as crap or else i wouldn't have left a comment.
e wants to be friends but i'm not sure i should, or what will I get out of this relationship as it were, do i need too, yes, it's called civil reciprocation and
my grammas crap, so wot, intelligensia aren't always right.
ampallang7 3 years ago
My preception is I'm not sure your for real as you look as big as a football player and not many people do, cause you say what we already think or the complete opposite of an extreme view already which is easy as it doesn't offeryour idea of a solution and otherwise it is just talking to the converted and you talk so fast about the same thing you almost say nothing.
words for something bad: shit
something good: radical
Just saying haha.
ampallang7 3 years ago
Maybe write down what he says then write down the definition of every word he uses until you understand it? I think that might help you get past the dogma of words that most people go by, and actually understand his points.
0lord0kinbote0 3 years ago
I've always been a reject. I don't live by brand loyalty or name myself by a political party or religion. It's very creepy seeing people identify themselves by corporate owned lifestyle images.
As you hit on a bit, it seems to be a big hook for manipulation. I have net far to many people with no empirical backing for their beliefs.
0lord0kinbote0 3 years ago
Immortal Technique philosophy of poverty
cwoodups 3 years ago
great now i go t some lyrics in my head of photo ops for the disaster areas whos song is that
cwoodups 3 years ago
Well said. This is very true. The same principles that apply to marketing products to consumers applies to selling a party to a voter, and why wouldn't it..?
rmessenger 3 years ago 2
You have nailed it! Without thought they spek the party line.
My Dad was ardent conservative and wanted out of Vietnam - wanted to abolish the IRS FED and the Dept of every GD Government thing wants abalanced budget and no government regulatores telling him what to do, etc. After years of listening to him rant and rave along comes Ron Paul speaking his language. So I get all excited about this find and go share it with my dad who tells me RP is a quack?!? Hes voted McCain.......
cowboytimmy 3 years ago
Excellent point. I have noticed the same phenomenon in Canada. For example, the only MP of the New Democratic Party (most left-leaning party of the big 3) in Quebec on the national scale was elected and re-elected in the riding of Outremont in a close race. This is a riding with a sizeable-enough wealthy population to predictably be Conservative or at least Liberal. However, political affiliations up here are more malleable it seems: scandals set the tone often for big changes in Ottawa.
Albinoceros 3 years ago
too true
i would be damned if there had been a single politician in the past century that either made up his own material or even his own agenda
We always vote for image
cyberdemon107 3 years ago
Yes this is definatly how alot of people view politics alot of it is to do with imagery, and because of stereotypes, people are so deluded that there are global stereotypical ways of living and thinking, if you dont conform to it then you are wrong, a terrorist, ungodly, not a real american. These people need to get off their imaginary high horses and get back to reality. And nice video proteanview.
LordAtheistCrusader 3 years ago
Very Well Said
HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOURSELF BEFORE YOU VOTE
jamalsutube 3 years ago
Crap. What you said is flat out, crap! We vote for who will give us the most or the one we perceive to give us the most. Period.
RadicalDemocrat 3 years ago
RadicalDemocrat
If that makes you feel better. /watch?v=n03VvKYqBwc
/watch?v=hhFycZsfZK0
proteanview 3 years ago
And that is exactly what the parties try to play on most of the time, and exactly what they count on. People in this country almost never vote based on intellect, they vote based on how a candidate makes them feel
and that's part of choosing a party to begin with. ESPECIALLY for the people who are preaching one way or another, if you get into any real sort of debate with them they really don't know what thier candidates stand for or what they've done outside the propaganda
wonslung 3 years ago
Great video! Last year my dad tried to explain this to mean when I identified myself as a republican. But you broke it down so well.People must really open their eyes.
melissa6295 3 years ago
great piece!
Very perceptive!
You have great things to say mate.
More vids!
theskilled99 3 years ago 2
Hmmm...what party doesn't have all the treason, lying and bribery? I want to belong to that party - I don't see it represented in the US Government.
PsyogiBottoms 3 years ago 2
ROFL.........Why? They will lose plus I will get nothing. Your politics are really screwed up.
RadicalDemocrat 3 years ago
Wow, what a great analysis. Real good food for thought. It's kind of sad that people make up for their shortcomings by choosing the political party that is stereotypical of what they don't have.
Xenithan 3 years ago 2
Republicrats. In the end, they both are the same thing, they both like to spend money we don't have to create an image of America that is a lie. People that have difficulty thinking for themselves become reflections of society, they are microcosms of an ailing system that doesn't give a damn about them. Republican and democrat is a distraction, keep the masses thinking they can build an identity around something that will ultimately make a difference as soon as the other sees it their way.
teewillis1981 3 years ago
I don't see how this "Team Governing" really helps us out. It seems petty and boarderline retarded the way one party wants to argue a white telephone is white, and invariably the other side will argue it's not, just because they can't agree with the other side, or else they "Lost" the arguement. No one should be allowed to be democrat or republican any more. We might actually get something done and help someone. Leave the team play to ESPN.
Funkyrocket1000 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Can you say "Get a life" Dude are you getting paid for this or are you a stay at home dude, creating MESS?! :) Is someone making you do this? Do i need to call help for you, maybe there is a secret message in this annoying voice, you're crying out for help, and were just not hearing it.... duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lata dude
sonki44 3 years ago
Why are you telling him to "get a life" when you are watch him?
teewillis1981 3 years ago 5
I have something to get off my chest, if you allow me ED: Come November, whoever "wins" will ultimately change NOTHING. Why, you may ask? Because we all know that they are nothing more than puppets who have their puppet masters pulling their strings. And we all know who those puppet masters are! Therefore, I have lost faith in the political system a long time ago!
Vatashinya 3 years ago
To Hell with image..What can you do,what do you know,what is your reasoning,goals to get
from a to b?? Are you into self,or consider the effects of your actions on others?
Frnlam 3 years ago
A few flaws in your message:A Conservative wouldn't have had 2 abortions unless she is a recently converted one.Also,if she was a C she wouldn't be unemployed for a long pd. of time.Your sterotypical view of a lib is more accurate.They do tend to come from high end as well as low end and will vote party -if they vote at all.Conservatives tend to vote person.They weigh issues and look at their kids' future.You obviously lean liberal because your statements about Conservatives are negative.
youthforoil 3 years ago
"A Conservative wouldn't have had 2 abortions"
Depends on type of conservative.
"Conservatives tend to vote person"
When asked why did you vote for bush, the answer you would hear again and again was because he was the republican candidate and the person was a republican.
"You obviously lean liberal because your statements about Conservatives are negative."
It would appear universal that most people in a two party system do not vote for who they like, but for who they dislike least.
Xorinite 3 years ago
Northwest Evanston Il. is ultra-liberal and solidly wealthy and WHITE. I even saw a Kucinich for President sign! LOL!
These are the same people that wouldn't even let their children hang with any black people, yet have the John Kerry and now Obama signs on their well cared for, manicured lawns.
I just think of them as uninformed,hypocrites!
Just my two cents!
Lovmark 3 years ago
Excellent points!
I alway's have found it so interesting that so many of the suburban moms that live in the suburbs of Chicago here are ALL Democrats!
They don't even LIVE near ANY minorities, let alone understand someone like me. I'm a white stay-at-home mom and have lived in intergrated Chicago and Evanston most of my life. I find these woman PHONIES!
Lovmark 3 years ago
Well reasoned and finely expressed.
PismoBeach 3 years ago 2
What percentage of the voting public consider themselves independent, swing voter... etc ? Does anybody know? Also, should we not also consider the possibility that the 2 party system is flawed and that at the very least a first step is to open the presidential debates to more third party nominees. Smart articulate third party nominees, whose ideas the current nominees do not have to consider because the ideas are not being given enough msm airtime.
sjsc76 3 years ago
Good point, I have been questioning why people would vote against their own self intrest.
jsphbjmn 3 years ago 3
Very insightful!
epiphanygal 3 years ago 2
Awsome commentary!
vegrin 3 years ago 2
For anyone who is interested in how it has come to this, if you haven't already seen "The Century of the Self" I recommend watching atleast parts 1 and 2. It deals with the rise of corporate PR. Another good one is "Spin" my favorite part is when Larry King tells Clinton Turner could serve him well. "The Corporation" is good as well. All of them can be found free on the net. :)
Yourbike 3 years ago
your aint even real..? money suckin lier? i have sein many other Gurus who are real...no comersials!? where is the old Proteanview???When did you canche..?
sorry for my miss spellin...have a good day or night..peace
Koppurointi 3 years ago
So in other words, a male or female that has the want and or need in their soul to be Free from any one non concerned (family is most sacride) group of folks, would most likely be a populist type of person.?
A person that does have willingness to think and do for themselves and their love ones. Great. Go for it. You need help, doing so? Call on us, we will help, as you want and need. That is idealistic. Democrats will throw you one, Repubicans, say swim for it.
HarcourtMarketing 3 years ago