Countdown: Worst Person Nov. 26, 2008

[spol07]

You and the mainstream media are intellectually dishonest.

[bulletstopper636]

We had the same crap happen to us. The editor at our local newspaper quoted the Railroad Carriers as stating that the average employee at the Railroad makes 86 dollars an hour. They used the same fuzzy math that the Times did. I make less than 25 dollars an hour and even pay 200 of that a month back into my healthcare plan, a portion of that back into my retirement plan and on top of that union dues. I make a good living but no where near what it is portrayed as in the media.

[paolli2000]

America! Love it or leave it!

and if a state DOES leave it then we have the right to bomb the shit out of it, rape its women, and slaughter every last traitor in that state!!!!

I say we start with Texas and Oklahomo!

[tubesteakZ]

Andrew Sorkin is a disgusting apologist for the economic elite, who tries to paint himself as a fiscally sound citizen concerned with workers. He's a drisgrace.

[RnMKicks]

And the winner of the Jackass of the Year Award, for his complete lack of tolerance, overbearing self-righteousness and vitriolic criticism,... is,.... non other than Keith Olbermann!

(Muttering heard among the other nominees for this annual "Jackie"award: ...'why bother coming, he wins every year."}

[PsychoKnights]

So the bronze went to the chick because...why? She had bad programming about Sarah Palin? This is who Olberman considers one of the worst people in the world?

Silver goes to Beck because he understands the Deceleration of Independence. Notice Olberman didn't address the DoI, but pointed out the causalities and called Beck a traitor.

Then, the gold goes to the guy who spoke truth about GM being strapped by unions as if all these benefits are not part of the workers wages...

[TheRebel2007]

The "Deceleration of Independence?"

[PsychoKnights]

Whoops.

[rigelspikes]

Keith Uberdouche is a liar, a hoax, a sham, a joke, and a fraud. MSNBC's ratings are reflective of as much. HE is the problem with America what with it's current divide. When did socialism become popular? MOTHER FUCK Uberdouche, and anyone that looks like, acts like, or follows this traitor. Move to China, Uberdouche!!! You Red Star worshipping, hammer and sickle loving, commie-causing bastard. It's time to get him impeached from "Football Night in America", as well.

[svxdriver]

What an idiot. he must have had one of those reasoning math classes growing up.. And this MF just called freedom treason! Are Americans really stupid enough to not see though that BS? Its crutial to the freedom of the people that the people can reject what the government wants to do. I'v seen Olbermann going off about the things the government is doing, Like which of our bill of rights we still have left. But the people shouldn't be able to rise up, just him.. and who's the hyprocrit??

[mike1111qq]

what if walmart goes union then the union gets everybody 28 bucks an hour. then no one will shop there. and then walmart ask for a bailout.. same thing only differant...

[mike1111qq]

well then the revalutionary war was treason...

[PsychoKnights]

Well, I suppose the Revolutionary War actually was treason. That was based on the idea that the rights came down from the King. However, the United States was built on the idea that the power travels up through the people to the government and they have every right to remove that power if it is needed.

But I get what you mean and it is a good point.

[xhagast]

I am an outsider from a country that has been as it is for about 500 years. The way the US started feels like an association of colonies to fight for independence. It was either that or to be crushed one by one. If you guide yourself by the patriotic intentions of the founding fathers then secession is treason. If you follow what the US actually was it is NOT. That is why they tried so hard to accomodate everybody in the constitution and when setting up the government, to prevent breakaways

[PsychoKnights]

I...get the individual statement that you made, but I'm not sure what your overall point is.

The Founding Fathers certainly envisioned and strove for a national coalition of states unified under the banner of one federal government, but they never said anything about people being forced to stay in the Union once they joined. The FF must have been big believers in secession; that is what they wanted to do with England. However, there was no peaceable way to do that under the colonial system.

[xhagast]

And I think that the FF knew the US was too small and weak to survive in pieces. And that it would be better it was one nation in the future than a dozen quarreling like in Europe. That is why they tried to make it so all would be happy NOT to seceed. And then the South went histerical over Lincoln after decades of resenting being despised by the North.

Was it legal to seceed? Yes. Did the FF want it to happen? NO. Is it treason now? Yes.

The time to argue is past. Finished.

[PsychoKnights]

Really? You are telling me that the time for dissent is past? Are we all supposed to shut up and follow in lockstep whoever is in power.

The time for argument and discussion is always now! If there is ever a time when we can not argue in the United States, then the United States is dead as the FF intended.

Also, if it was, by your own admission, legal to seceed, how has it become treason? I do not recall when the Constitution was amended on that account.

[xhagast]

It is my firm belief that you have to dissent if needed. And if they tell you you cannot dissent you have to dissent with bullets, explosives and the rope. Bush tried that, and if he had been able to get a third term and got it he would have turned the US into nazi Germany. Dissent all you want and I'll applaud you all the way.

But the US is the UNITED States and THAT is not a matter for discussion anymore. America, love it or leave it. Sorry but this is not Europe or Asia or Africa.

[PsychoKnights]

You say love it or leave it...but you will not let us leave it.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the Federal gov. can force states to stay in the union.. It Does say in the Constitution that all rights not given to the Federal government resides in the states and the people. Therefore, it is the states right to seceed. Your opinion does not change the supreme law of the land.

I dislike Bush because of his socialistic tendencies, but I know of nothing he did to silence dissent.

[HerrSchenkel]

Oh yes, let's blame the South for the Civil war... it's not as if it was Lincoln's decision to "preserve the union." I agree with Olbermann that Beck is a hypocrite if he ever said "love it or leave it" (I hate that phrase), but secession is a valid thing to do (just as leaving the country as individuals) when you severely disagree with what the government is doing.

[PsychoKnights]

I listen to Glenn Beck constantly, and I haven't heard him say that. Considering that he has spent three hours a day on the radio for many, many years, I would not be surprised if he has said that before (perhaps in just or hyperbole or perhaps in all seriousness). However, I can tell you it is not a theme of his.

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

Good one, Olbermann!

[JimmyJackJohnnyJose]

The public scorn another wasteful bailout. But UNION WORKERS WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS without the bailout.

Looks like the democrats will fail in saving the UNION workers their jobs. The UNION always supported the democrats-now the UNION gets the SHAFT from the democrats.

[InstantRebate]

Toyota stock will decrease in value as Toyota workers go into retirement if they're wage is only being figured in actual hours worked by an employee. Looks like it is happening as we speak since it has gone from $129.00 six months ago to $63.00 today. Joining the GM type of situation it would appear!

[BKDevious]

I bet Murdoch is loving Andrew Ross Sorkin right now.

Disturbing.... He's much smarter than this, but apparently not.

[MrBennetzen]

How many people think Glenn Beck is an idiot!

[press1500]

you got my vote, have another drink Glenn, it's the holidays, you remember how good the wild turkey was to you before... don't you?

[GodKillerAtheist]

well he did become a fundamentalist Mormon so calling him an idiot is somewhat an understatement

[juanita4748]

Calling Beck an idiot is an insult to all idiots.

[AshillaBeige]

Since the PEOPLE voted in the man, they'd have no ability to secede without committing treason.

If Obama did horribly, and destroyed a certain state or area, then they'd at least be able to put forth a case.

With Bush's (un)favourables, people should have been able to invoke their constitutional right to remove the unpopular government and replace it, no problem. This was not the case.

If the man's going to trample over the constitution, why would he allow its rules to overthrow him?

[Ivorygate]

This video has had about 9 times the views as this guys show does when it airs on TV.

If there is a more biased and irritating pile of crap on this planet, I have yet to come across it. This dickhead would make Mother Theresa want to kick his ass up and down the street, and she probably could have.

[Orlor]

"This video has had about 9 times the views as this guys show does when it airs on TV."

Citation please.

"If there is a more biased and irritating pile of crap on this planet, I have yet to come across it."

You obviously have not watched Fox News.

So, what was it in the video that you think is biased and irritating?

[Ivorygate]

The content.

[Orlor]

"The content."

Can you be a bit more specific?

[Ivorygate]

"Can you be a bit more specific?"

There's a reason I wasn't specific - there was no need to be.

[Zakdayak]

"Citation please" EXACTLY MAN. It's about time we get FACT-based dialogue!

[Kevin1354]

Orlor or is that odor? The truth is so hard for con F*#&wits to accept - after 30 years of rayguns screw the working class economics and 8 years of lying, treasonous bushco hypocrisy they think presenting the truth as superior and in conflict with conservative lies is bias.

[unapimper]

Keep in mind Keith Olbermann has been consistently beating Bill O'Reilly in the ratings, him and Rachel Maddow has been steadily gaining popularity too. So if what you say is true, what's the audience of Bill O? His own mom? LOL.

[Ivorygate]

"Keep in mind Keith Olbermann has been consistently beating Bill O'Reilly in the ratings"

Thats about as accurate as the crap Keith Overbite spews - try the Neilson ratings which put O'Reilly at 300% more viewers than your boy.

The facts don't lie, only Olbermann and you do.

[rell127]

Actually O'Reilly admitted Olberman beat before but O'Reilly said that every week it changes.

[egrimnes]

Keith brings up rating demographics.. you know, the important opens like the 25 -35 year olds. The one that spend money and don't have a 1950's mind set like most of O'Reillys viewers. He's never lied about when he has beat Bill. you just choose to omit certain facts to make him sound like a liar. Only makes you sound like a clueless fool.

[Kevin1354]

Whiteygate - Truth is hard for con F*#&wits. After 30 years of rayguns screw the workers economics, 8 years of lying, treasonous bushco hypocrisy - presenting the truth as superior to and in conflict with conservative lies seems like bias. LIBERALS ARENT LYING STUPID CONFUSED COWARDS LIKE CONS, so now they must save U.S. from cons. This happens when we forget who cons are and let cons be in charge. Cons backward, delusional ways ruin the economy every time. COUNTDOWN FOR BEST MOST HONEST NEWS

[Ivorygate]

Hey Kevy,

Since you apparently have no actual control over your own success or failure, and every shortcoming in your life is the fault of "the cons" and not of your own personal responsibility, then you're the type of person that SHOULD think this is the best most honest news - a loser.

[bigken61]

MSM = Ignorance

[gsuitter]

Secession = treason. I think not!

[johnedwards1968]

Explain why secession is not treason. You are literally breaking up your own nation. I have a hard time picturing a scenario where that is not considered treason.

[JojahBoy]

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the CONSENT of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness...

[bedmasmath]

Just curious what the editors and fact checkers at New York Times are doing?

[waltermh111]

Yeah, they should have given both sides a piece here. The $70 comes straight from GM HR papers, so the times took it as fact.

They should have broken it down to give readers a better understanding what it means.

Then they could have said that all those things are separately negotiated and and often renegotiated. As such, you can not determine current employee pay by what they may retire with 20-30 years down the line.

[zzzxxyy]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL! Left or Right, please enjoy!

BRONZE:What the fuck?

SILVER:Glenn Beck needs to secede his lips from Rupert Murdoch's ass.

GOLD:This guy needs to get a life. Once again, another conservative blaming the working class and poor for America's problems.

[davehodo]

And when Glenn leaves it I hope he takes the conservitards with him.

[JojahBoy]

but wait, if you guys left....how are we going to fund our socialism?? Nevermind, no, you can't, even if the Constitution says that you can. We will send our troops in to kill you and make you obey and be our slaves.

[johnedwards1968]

See Texas vs. White. A state does not have the right to unilaterally secede under the constitution. It can be argued that congress may pass a law allowing a state to secede, but that's as far as it goes.

[JojahBoy]

The court's opinion was authored by Chief Justice Salmon Chase, himself a former cabinet member under Abraham Lincoln and leading figure in the Union government during the American Civil War. Based on his previous position, many southerners questioned Chase's impartiality and believed he should have recused himself from the decision. While legally binding, the court's decision was extremely controversial and remains so to this day.

[johnedwards1968]

That's a fair assessment. I respect southerners right to disagree with the law, and also recognize , that it is settled law.

I think there are better ways to go about things than threatening to secede every time you don't get your own way. In many ways the South behaves very much like Quebec in my own country of Canada. It's very much dealing with a spoiled child.

[JojahBoy]

Well there comes a time when lines must be drawn. The Federal government is totally out of control, feeding off everyone's labor like a leech, causing terrorists to come and attack us with our insane foreign policy (which obama is only going to continue), and debasing our currency. They usurp states rights and have since the Civil War. The federal govt. has devolved into a predatory caste of society and nothing more. States should be able to decline participation in Socialism if they so desire.

[JojahBoy]

It is inconceivable that a free state would voluntarily enter into an agreement with another party that authorized force to be used against the smaller member in the event of a disagreement.

The States as free and independent entities, having just won their independence from Britain, certainly did not endow the Federal government with the right to use force to coerce a state. The use of force to coerce a state is comparable to one nation invading another to establish their will.

[JojahBoy]

Mo where in the Constitution did Lincoln have the authority to stop secession. More than half a million people died because of that tyrant. When people disagreed he had them jailed indefinitely with no trial. Sounds vaguely familiar to other dictators and tyrants throughout history (bush as well). You really ought to search youtube for The Philosophy of Liberty video. Thats what this nation was founded upon and has been cast aside for statism by an increasingly ignorant populace.

[johnedwards1968]

That's fair enough. I assume you are against the welfare state status of the south, and I can't fault your logic for that. I'm always amazed that the tax basis for your country is almost entirely from 3 states (California, New York and Texas), and yet all these "red" states are the ones who claim to be conservatives.

The reason that these "conservatives", ( and I use those "" consciously by the way) are so pro military, is that it is a way for military spending(ie welfare) to be sent South.

[JojahBoy]

check your inbox :) Youtube comment posting isn't up to par to converse in anything more than short bursts.