Tandem Skydive malfunction - drogue entanglement with instructors foot

[1NSAN3FURY]

For some reason I couldn't help but laugh as he was swinging around holding the guys foot at 0:34

[VoelligHarmlos]

holy shit

[wisefelipe]

lol, can't believe this happenedat thesame place that I jumped... and one year before my jump, they said there had never been an accident there! lol

Anyway, they survived, so it's alright

[captainhook666]

@wisefelipe this is not an accident, this is a mal function. Accident is when people get hurt. In this situation, Tandem instructor learn what to do. So cameraman have to go away because he have to deploy his reserve and cameraman might get caught by the reserve then cause 3 fatality. So as a tandem instructor, i teach cameraman to let me do my job. have safe jumps

[wisefelipe]

@captainhook666

Well, it's still nerve-tingling to imagine that this happened at the same placed that I jumped :P.

But I know that this it was by no means the intructor's fault, I had a great time jumping there and I'd suggest it to anyone.

[3habaneros]

there are no idiots in this video , thats  some courageous skydiving

[ryno2085]

What a save! Nice work

[mumum600]

Maybe I something not understanding cause I basejump 40 meters only, it's nothing with such 1, but I saw the main shute WAS OPENED THEN, when main one opened the braking chute no pull up aren't? someone answer what happend in the end are they well-landed?

[MultiMarhal]

@mumum600 "Yes, they landed right! Instructor led action in reserve parachute. All this happened in DZ Seagull Kiev Ukraine."

[mumum600]

@MultiMarhal эй дорогой чайка час езды от меня сам из киева ахахха, это хорошо что велллэндэд :)) но запаска не нужна была вроде тормозной путается 1ый открывается или я хз, а деньги тут писали вернули ли, ну если не попытаться забрать сами не вернут, у нас народ такой либо не вернём либо вернули бы но некому. ох чёрный юмор насмотришься вас потом в душе фифти-фифти, страха нет, но всё это после этого кажется таким ненадежным..

[MultiMarhal]

@mumum600 Извини дружище, я на твой профиль не смотрел! Прочел, твой комент и увидел, что человек интересуется развитием событий и местом их происхождения но не русскоговорящий :)))!!! Искренне рад, что живешь не далеко от "Чайки", я сам там вырос. А запаску тандем мастер привел в действия по тому, как стабилизирующая медуза она же и вытяжная. Если произвести открытие в такой ситуации основного то купол просто запутается в ногах. Инструктор все сделал правильно! По моему усмотрению :) Удачи!

[MultiMarhal]

@mumum600 По поводу надежности!?......На машине более опасно передвигаться, чем падать с парашютом! Просто есть человеческий фактор...его не кто не отменял..........!

[IAMLOST]

That is why I will never, ever tandem skydive. Even the most experienced instructors make mistakes.

[flashvortx]

where's the hook knife?! good effort though!

[00Billy]

I wouldnt want my Video guy to come help....unless just to cut it and back off fast.

Remember Steve West?

[Gozer3]

chop his leg !

[PanSmok]

sorry to say - but all of this is 100% tandem pilot fault. He CAN NOT relese drogue while unstable. It's BASICS.

[stevenliemberg]

For the record.... multiple cameramen have died trying to save TI and pax in these kind of situations... that equals 3 deads instead of 2 ... seriously If your a camera man... dont be an idiot....

[captainhook666]

@stevenliemberg be a part of the solution (back off) dont be a part of statistic ! have safe jumps !

[LZmiljoona]

Please answer: Why do the tandem jumpers always have this balloon over themselves before they open the parachute?

[jukklore]

@LZmiljoona it is called the drogue. It flattens out the pair of people so their stomachs face the earth. A tandem instructor can't keep flat on his own with a 150+ pound plus flailing person on their stomach. If you go through sky diving training classes you will soon realize how hard it is to keep stable in mid air. After 6 jumps you will get the hang of it though. Drogue keeps both people flat so he can release the parachute with out it getting tangled on their flipping bodies.

[normiss2000]

@jukklore

No, the drogue is to slow you down so you do not explode the parachute upon opening.

It's very easy to stay belly to earth on a tandem jump..

[Catapultandclingfilm]

@normiss2000

and i bet youre not a TI....... the drogue is to keep them stable......not using one wont explode the parachute....

[devoll2]

@Catapultandclingfilm And you have no clue what your talking about! The drogue was designed to slow down free fall speed for tandems! And all tandems used to jump without drogues, there for deployed at terminal.

[Catapultandclingfilm]

@devoll2

show me your logbook then. find me a youtube video where theres no tandem drogue.. if theyre so common!

or, you could come to the DZ where i work and find out for yourself.

[devoll2]

@Catapultandclingfilm Look man just cause you have 5o jumps dont mean you know a damn thing about tandems! If you get a chance ask someone at your DZ that knows what there talking about. Or just call Strong or Booth.

[Catapultandclingfilm]

@devoll2

i still dont see a youtube video of a tandem without a drogue. post that up and ill bother talking to you

[devoll2]

@Catapultandclingfilm I dont care if you talk to me or not. Your wrong and im right. Go educate yourself about skydiving before you come on the internet and talk like you know what your talking about you one jump wonder.

[Catapultandclingfilm]

@devoll2 Prove yourself right by finding me a video of a TI leaving the aircraft and not pitching his drogue....

youre just one of those blokes that likes to favourite loads of skydiving clips, learn how to skydive from youtube and start spouting out skydive chat...

get your rig on and come for a jump then.

[devoll2]

@Catapultandclingfilm show me a video of you jumping replying to another person on that jump that knows you and agrees you jump....

[Catapultandclingfilm]

@devoll2 hahah speak for yourself mate

[FunkteonRecordings]

@devoll2 Buddy, you lost all credibility with your shitty grammar.. I'd be surprised if you passed your exams at the DZ...

[captainhook666]

@Catapultandclingfilm 180mph could not explode but seriously damage the canopy. (i'm rigger and tandem instructor)

[captainhook666]

@jukklore dorgue are made to freefall at 120 mph and make the opening mora comfy. No drogue jumps is part of the exam for tandem instructor. It's possible to 100% manuever without drogue. It exam you jump without drogue, then deploy the drogue to slow you down 2000 feet before opening altitude .

[ianbrooks]

hook knife to terminal waterfall with the cameraman PCAing the duo by opening himself first holding the remaining bridle. any thoughts? would this work?

[VkCuber]

@ianbrooks Maybe it would, but pretty hazard to try :) correct procedure in this would have been immediate reserve deploy by the instructor.

[bombaykaizoku]

camera guy needs a hook knife

[texNoz]

@bombaykaizoku

EVERY diver should pack a hook mate.. I never jump without one regardless of the jokes.

[Misdirecting]

thats why skydivers carry knives

[nutellaontoast]

@Misdirecting You think whipping out a knife in freefal is a good idea? I carry a hook knife for problems that happen under canopy.

[Misdirecting]

@nutellaontoast ummmmm if your in a situation like that yeah i do think its a good idea, whats the worst that could happen oops i dropped it, better to try then have your foot ripped off or have your canopy malfunction!

[texNoz]

@nutellaontoast

HUH?? If you're under a canopy why would you need a hook??

cut away your reserve or something? XD

[xphilip]

I am a skydiving noob so don't flame me!

Would it have been possible for the camera man to collapse the drogue either by going up and grabbing the hackey and coming back down or just grabbing it and collecting it with his hands and in doing so release the tension on the bridle enabling the tandem instructor to release his foot?

[holynihilism]

hahaha

[alletklameista]

how about a hook knife?

[Mihawkler]

that cameraman is amazing! respect!

[petehuskins]

noble effort by the videoman. could have killed you but you followed your instinct(not the rules!!) tut tut

[CUR715J0N35]

hopefully they gave the guy a free jump...oh wait he is probably never going to jump again!! Glad my tandem went well...shitty start for the poor guy

[crashmcwhly]

Hook knife maybe?

[askewstuart]

hmm, interesting point. Though upon deployment of canopy, you would get some serious G forces, and you couldnt guarantee a stable arch for the canopy to deploy from. however, the alternative could have been worse, so not sure about that one.

[blackred474]

@crashmcwhly no way ..because the problem is still there. he can not open the main chute without the pilot chute. well it was right that he pulled only the reserve .

[joshbanford]

poor tandem

[TerrorNoctus]

I can see both sides of the argument, but it seemed as if the TI was aware of the cameraman's attempt to salvage the drogue and only deployed "Plan B" after they were clear.

Either way, Hairy and glad all walked away.

Imagine the poor guy with this as his 1st experience?!?!

[fettspinn]

woha..scary

[sixfrost]

TI - idiot for showing off and doing flips.

Video guy - idiot for "helping" and not knowing to stay away from this mess. Lucky he didnt kill all three of them.

Thanks for posting this video for others to learn

[LososInDaHouse]

I can't get why cameramen is an idiot. In this situation TI couldn't get rid of drogue without an assistance. Or you know somebody, who did it? I have seen at least two cameramen who saved tandem in a situation like this, and one fatal accident, when cameraman stayed away.

[sixfrost]

god forbid i start teaching basic safety and common sense on youtube! LOL. you, young man, should to talk to some experienced TIs and examiners to help you understand the situation. but I'll give you an example why this could have been a TRIPLE fatality. While our heroic video man tries to free up the drogue (unsuccessfully so, as it would take a gorilla to free up that thing at terminal), the TI deploys his reserve, as he should. Reserve fires and wraps around the vidiot, killing all three.

[LososInDaHouse]

Well, from this point of view a cameraman should let them die without any attempt to help, falling near them for about 1 minute? I haven't heard about any triple death, maybe it's just an ignorance...

[oliverlebot]

plain and simple sir

[petehuskins]

good work mr camera man!!

[hristosky]

Is everything okay with them? It looks like the canopy was going to entangle with the drogue and the cameraman looked away...

[wizardcam]

I watched a TI throw a drogue upside down to stable himself and saw the bridle bounce of his leg as a result. I asked him about his practices and he thought it was no big deal until I showed him his video. He stopped doing tandems shortly thereafter.

[TomSkyStudio]

As a cam-dude and TI my vieuw on procedures is this:

Cam-dude: stay the f@#? away

TI: Don't throw drogue around leg,but if you do: Try to fix the problem, if this doesn't work fast go for reserve higher up so you have more time to react if the reserve opening would present any problems.

Good vid for training purposes though, glad everyone got to walk away from this.

[Pixelman101]

Btw, the TI did get unstable by grabbing onto the passengers hands during exit. No business to gain down there I would say. He makes a complete 360 on exit as a result. Spread eagle next time please and you will be just fine...

[Pixelman101]

No, its to slow a tandem combo down to normal free fall speed. Drogue should be deployed after stabilization, not in order to stabilize...

If you deploy it when unstable, the above happens.

[dorbie]

Holy shit that's scarey.

[ryandsucks]

FUCK that!

[pmxc]

In ref to the 1st comment, in the Canadian 1991 accident, I believe the camera guy only moved in after the reserve bag & bridle were entangled with not fully jettisoned main. So that particular case wasn't a case of confusion over who was doing what and when, although it could still be an issue in general.

[peterliemberg]

@ 0:25 it looks like the drogue bridle is around the PASSENGERS foot. Furthermore: "camguy to the rescue" killed 3 in one single skydiving accident in Canada in the early days of tandem. Though we get to see spectacular footage, if the TI follows procedures he IS going to pull the reserve without cutting away first AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. (= not fight the clusterf*ck for A MINUTE into the skydive WITHOUT A CLUE WERE WE ARE IN SPACE AND TIME)

The camguy might have ended up on top of the reserve!

[Pixelman101]

Peter, je naam komt me bekend voor... Teuge, early ninety's?

Right, cameraman did put two people and himself in danger by this 'hero' procedure. Good video for instructional purposes!