The arguments you have used to supposedly "debunk" are rather weak.
Pakistan is not even close to Israel or Egypt and they didn't live in a time of information superhighways. There were very likely people who were sanitary and others who weren't. Making a law to be sanitary likely provided information to a lot people who just didn't know better.
Shawn is a very confusing person. It`s kind of hard to tell if he seriously believes the shit he claims to believe, or if he`s just using the unbelieveable idiocy of Creationism and the negative attention it attracts to make himself famous to some degree. He WAS on YouTube for a while before he started making Creationist vids. Maybe he noticed all the drama going on between rational people and fundies and took advantage of it. Or maybe he`s just a twat.
@pranays Harappan dates 26001900 BCE just do a google seach also the first civilization was the Mesopotamian at 4000 BCE witch is where the bible places eden, this is now modern day iraq .
Animals who have NEVER read the Bible know not to defecate where they eat...were Christians dumber than animals that they had to be told not to defecate where they eat? Apparently.
Well to be honest animals don't exactly "know" not to defecate where they eat. It is just that those that do defecate where they eat have an evolutionary disadvantage as they are more likely to die of sickness. So those animals that do not will survive better.
The human genus fundi-christicus is in fact I believe distantly related to the dung beetle and is quite at home knee deep in bullshit. As a matter of fact they cannot survive without it.
the industrial revolution? has he never heard of the roman empire? the aqueducts? their streets were cleaner than during the dark ages when christianity ruled the western europe
I agree shawn really kept digging deeper. Hell if he had been in archeology he might actually get result even. He seems to like digging, digging deep if his attention would be unto something usefull.
LOL... Amazingly he doesn't answer... Just telling her she is going to hell... I had that with another guy when about homosexuality and the bible, I ask him about the other deadly actions that you have to kill the sinners for: Wearing clothes made of lin and cotton, growing seeds of 2 kings in the same field, working on Sunday (Be affraid clerks, be very afraid). Of course no answer just a stupid "I will pray for you". OMG...
Let me explain the gospel of Thomas. It was not written in 140bc like VFX claims. Its actually up for debate when it was written. Evidence suggests only a time period. Of around 60bc - 140bc. But there is no actual date. For the love of GOD!!!!
it does'nt matter who wrote what gospel or when, all that matters is the message , the message that leads you back to deity spirituality perfect and evolved with love for deity being ready to everything for themselves
That is semi correct. Most scholars think it was written and added to over the coarse of a 50 - 100 years. It is almost impossible to date (as you said), but it is absolutly not authentic (sp).
Like I said its up for debate. Tho I disagree with the whole 50-100 yrs thing But still as I said. Its up for debate. It is authentic tho. Its a farce story but so is the bible.
Also happypranksgiving, you made a claim that you have failed to prove. You want me to back up my claim, yet you seem to want to ignor what I said without actually backing up your claim.
We call that a double standard.
If you have the balls, send me a messing refuting my examples. I'm not expecting much from you, but send me a message if you are interested because I know that 500 characters is no where near enough for a well written arguement.
are you talking about "I pointed out the VenomFangX is stealing from sick children, he's born false witness against others, committed slander, and lied time and time again and your response is this long nonsensical bullshit." with "you made a claim that you have failed to prove." in witch case "a simple Google search" would show records of his misdeeds including but not limited to, his false dmca claims, and slander libel etc related there in. his pay pal donation scam.
When I said "you made a claim and failed to back it up", I was talking to happypranksgiving. I apoligze if I made it seem like I was being disrespectful to you, but that wasn't my intent. I was only talking to happypranksgiving.
However, I agree with a lot of what you said. I'm not a fan of VFX's tact, nor is his personal interpertation of the Bible approved by the either the Catholic or Orthodox Church. He has a lot to learn.
If God is everywhere why is he always invisible? If God hears every prayer why does he never answer directly, but either by complete ignorance or by random events that could have been caused by something completely different?
Introducing JESUS The Second Adam The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit For indeed He was crucified because of weakness, yet He lives because of the power of God For the Messiah also suffered for sins once for all, an innocent person for the guilty Jesus saith I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Are you clinically retarded? I pointed out the VenomFangX is stealing from sick children, he's born false witness against others, committed slander, and lied time and time again and your response is this long nonsensical bullshit. You're a vile, disgusting, worthless excuse for a human being. You use your book to justify stealing from sick kids and think God will reward some twit for doing so. You're just revolting.
Stealing from kids is heroic? Are you going to address this fact or just keep parroting how great this thief is? Do you think stealing from children is right? Jesus himself would tell VenomFangX he's a scumbag to his face, just as he had no problem driving the moneychangers out of the temple with a whip. People like you are the kind of mindless, weak-willed fools that Jesus despised.
I have a playlist exposing VenomFangX's total lies. If you call that dirt-digging, then you sir are a moron. His slanders and lies have been thoroughly exposed. Only a Christian would be such an idiot to know of these lies and defend them as dirt-digging. My playlist shows VFX promising to donate anything over $500 to a children's charity, then later saying he wasn't going to. That's lying and stealing from kids by definition you dumbfuck.
well i work in a charity shop and ive been shown the expenses and the inputs and outputs. how the hell else are they gonna get the word out? i dont care how much money is spent on a commercial as long as it helps get the word out.
This site has been taken offline by the parents of VenomFangX, they don't support/share his views and apologize if he has offended anyone. This site will be offline for good in 3 days.
"So what are Shawns parents? I guess that means they are not Christian, but maybe Jewish instead?"
Shawn said in one vid that he was from a jewish household and I think he said he even went to a jewish private school. In another vid he said that his parents don't believe in god. By this info, i'd say they are nonpracticing jews. I also have another theory that shawn doesn't actually have parents because he is in fact Satan.
This is impossible on a Theistic worldview. As prayer shows. Since facts are not facts Independent of consciousness, BUT CAN BE PRAYED, AND CHANGED AWAY AT WHIM, WISH OR WANT. Which means facts and truth, are not independently Objective, but are subjective, which means there can be no claim to truth or facts, on a Christian, or Theistic worldview.
Everything that comes from a Theist perspective, is false, since it's grounded in subjectivity, and the self refuting paradigm of the primacy of Consciousness over the primacy of Existence. Since, when one claims something is true, and real, one is asserting that facts are facts, WHETHER ONE WISHES THEM TO BE OR NOT.
See, this is what mystics like you, and all God believers don't get about their fairy tale, evolutionarily programmed God belief superstition.
it's self refuting. You cannot claim truth or factuality, on a theistic worldview, since if the Theistic worldview were true, FACTS WOULD ONLY BE FACTS, SO LONG AS ONE WANTED THEM TO BE. Truth would be subject to the mind, and not INDEPENDENT OF IT.
Further, if such were true, it would have the dire consequences of there being no truth or factuality, to life and the Universe, since truth can only be truth, if it's INDEPENDENT OF CONSCIOUSNESS, AND NOT SUBJECT TO IT.
The idea of prayer, represents one of the greatest reasons why the Chrisitan God not only is disproved, BUT MUST BE DISPROVED.
actually the industrial revolution was more than just a mere "few decades ago", Shawn... it was actually nearly two centuries ago. ;) well i mean, when it started.
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ALMIGHTY GOD do exist, and the HOLY BIBLE is HIS word to us. So that we can get to know the truth about why we are here, and where we are going when we die. JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN. Yes that is true.
The Romans would eat with one hand and wipe themselves with the other. Primitive, but surprisingly effective as a hygienic practice. Sanitation is an old concept.
VenomFangX has yet to defy my expectations. He does exactly what every apologist does. No matter how hard you get him, and no matter how neatly you have him cornered, he will always -ALWAYS- falls back on the fact that his sheep still follow him. As long as he never owns up, they still believe in him.
He's a con artist, of the same ilk as Kevin Trudeau and Don Lapre. It never matters that you can destroy his arguments, because he has mindless followers.
Don't forget Kent Hovind - Young Earth Creationist "expert" - who is behind bars for tax fraud. VFX is absolutely on par with those frauds, or at least will be in a few years at the rate he is going.
So you are mad at VenomFangX because he gave a pretentious yet correct response to GoGreen and your advice to GoGreen is to continue to restate flawed/incorrect aurguments in retaliation? You also say everything he has ever said has been debunked yet you admit he was correct in his answer to Gogreen?? Ooook then.
I didnt say that you said his whole response was correct. I said that you say everything he has ever said has been debunked. To be more accurate you said "Every single thing that he has put out of his mouth has been debunked." This cant be completely true as he wouldnt have been correct in his answer concerning the Gospel of Thomas.
The pretentious way in which he answered seems to be the thing that upsets you the most not just the fact that he believes the bible blindly. However the smug nature posed by the question perhaps warranted a pretentious tone in the response.
I think that is an outright lie by him, and if not, he was only an atheist in the sense that he didn't believe in god, but didn't fully understand why (and didn't understand any of the evidence to support atheistic claims). He still doesn't.
Well I watched the whole video. I'm not really following the whole VFX vs. Laci thing. VFX is a tool in my eyes and always will be a tool as long as he is still saying the same garbage creation story.
Mig is right. That was a Jewish exegetical method and it isn't an error, it's just different. It does invalidate the apologetic value of using CERTAIN prophecies, however.
OT prophecy isn't really useful as an apologetic argument imo. It's a really cool topic, but I don't use it as an apologetic argument. Neither is scientific foreknowledge. I think one must be consistent in interpreting scripture. Some obviously symbolic passages can be literalized to predict science, but if you literalize similar passages, it comes out totally contrary to science.
It says that Pi is equal to three in the bible. That's it, just the number three. By any scientific standard the bible is wayyyy off. And don't you dare say that's metaphorical.
Pi is 3 and then an unlimited amount of numbers. If it was 3.1 you would complain it wasn't 3.14. If it was 3.14 you would complain it didn't have two more numbers and so on. It's an estimation.
The Greeks predicted Pi to five digits past three. Obviously if the all knowing master of the universe were truly omniscient he would have at least said more than just "pi is equal to three."
No, I just expect the master of the universe to know more digits of Pi than me - a humble creature with a primitive brain that formed through a gradual process of evolution. 3.14159. There, not so hard. Besides adding anymore digits than that has negligible results on simple calculations. 3.14 is infinitely more useful for geometry than just the number 3. Try it, whip out a calculator and estimate the diameter of a plate based on its circumference. You'll notice that 3.14 rocks 3's world.
Stop tripping on decimal points. Pi is 22/7. No estimate is needed. Did the Egyptians estmate the right triangle? The bible erred. Now, please go and check yourself. I believe you might have been wearing garments of more than one kind of cloth.
The material online against biblical prophecy, is from atheists, Freemasons and Communists. Contemporary scholarship has blown their arguments out of the water. There are many books disproving atheist arguments.
I can give you an extensive bibliography if you like. These atheists on the internet are uneducated on these subjects, but in their arrogance think they know everything.
Google the STEP Prayer project by the Templeton foundation. It conclusively debunks the claim that god answers prayers - something I imagine is upheld in biblical prophecy.
Do you really believe them? There are over one billion Christians in the world, and almost that amount of Muslims just today, who will swear on their death beds that God has answered prayer. He has in my own life answered prayer. And we have 2,000 years of eastern saints and Christians in my church who have answered prayer. Those people need to come down from their ivory towers and look at what is going on in the word and history.
The Templeton foundation is a purely religious organization. I don't see why they of all people would conclude that prayer does not work. If it works so well why couldn't it help people getting heart surgery?
"There are over one billion Christians in the world...who will swear on their death beds that God has answered prayer. He has in my own life answered prayer..."
Uh-huh... The most common evidence of god's existence that christians give is their own testimonials. "God healed me" or "I spoke to god"... Etc.
Christians cannot give any CONCRETE evidence that god exists or answers their prayers.
You're a young and ignorant westerner. Christiaity as you understand it in Evangelicalism is indeed "BS." But tell our many saints in the eastern Church, which you know nothing about, that it is "BS." The first 123 colleges in America were founded by Christians. Over 80% of the colleges, universities, and orphanages in America were founded by Christians. Tell that to them. Tell Saint Mary of Egypt who went from a life of prostitution to sainhood that it's "BS."
Sure, a lot of colleges, universities, and orphanages were founded by Christians.
SO? It doesn't prove that god exists. And it is totally irrelevant to the point I made about Christians not having any undeniable concrete evidence to prove that their god exists.
You tried to dodge the bullet and you failed. I might not know everything, but I'm pretty good at arguing. Try again if you want.
"who will swear on their death beds that God has answered prayer. He has in my own life answered prayer. And we have 2,000 years of eastern saints and Christians in my church who have answered prayer."
^^^The idea of your fairy tale God answering prayer, is not only impossible, but one of the greatest reasons why God belief not only should be disproved, but must be disproved.
You rule out possibilities even before examination. You can only make the claim He hasn't answered prayer if you have asked every person who has ever lived. You can't do that. You just ASSUME He doesn't because you ASSUME He doesn't exist. I HAVE SEEN ANSWERED PRAYER. All it takes is one example to negate your thesis.
Your made up God cannot answer prayer, since that entails the idea that consciousness has primacy over existence. WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE. Prayer entails asking a God, to change some fact of reality(existence), through an act of pure will. Existence does not conform to pure consciousness, therefore, no God can change Existence and the facts of reality, to suit a humans selfish desires, whims, wants and wishes.
hey...please fuck off with that condemning horseshit...why are you people sooooo terrified to live without your childish certainties.......im human just like you and i have no problem accepting that a huge part of life/ reality is an unknowable mystery...i dont understand you people
The STEP Prayer project had a prayer base of Christians and Muslims from around the world, all devout believers in the efficacy of prayer and believers in their own god, yet their prayer didn't work. Are you really saying those people are wicked? Just read the study and you will understand that prayer does not work.
Apologist325, question is...which parts do you class as poetical? Are parts of the Bible that sound like fairytales meant to be poetical? Christians can't pick what they want to believe from the Bible, they should either believe it all or not believe any of it because Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God
> "Just because Hollywood makes them look ridiculous, does not mean they were."
The Bible does a fine job of making itself ridiculous. 'Hollywood' has nothing to do with that, in fact 'Hollywood' did a hell of a job of taming/skipping over the ridiculous parts of the Bible.
Hollywood version: Charleton Heston being heroic and noble.
Real Bible Version: Jephthah burns his own Daughter at the stake as a human sacrifice to Yahweh (Judges 11:34-39)
hahaha you are a nut dude.....are you seriously claiming that the bible has more evidence supporting it than disproving it?!?!?!?!?!......get an education please you ignorant ass
As a scholar myself, I completely reject the "Q" document, but that hardly matters.
No one has ever seen it, there are no copies or it, it can't be reconstructed, no one knows when it was written, no one knows who wrote it, there is not a single reference to it in any historical document, and the Church father letters don't mention anything about it.
"As a scholar myself, I completely reject the "Q" document, but that hardly matters."
A scholar of what are you, if I may ask? Since I don't see you subscribed to PCS nor having him on your friends list, I have refrained from paraphrasing my question in a mocking manner. Please provide an honest answer to an honest question.
I don't subscribe to VFX because his interpertation is his own and he has a lot to learn. I love him as a brother in Christ, but I disagree with most of what he says.
I am a Biblical Scholar. I study Koine Greek and Hebrew manuscripts of the OT and NT. If you would like more information (since I am not exactly sure what info you are looking for), feel free to ask.
It's possible to be a Bible Scholar without being a believer. Granted, there aren't too many worthwhile Bible Scholars who aren't believers (it's true...most of the fantastic scholars are believers). However, I am a very devout believer.
I don't consider God to be a fairy tale. You are welcome to disagree, but I haven't heard a single arguement that discredits the existance of God.
Your particular God is a fairy tale for several reasons.
For starters, answer this question:
Is your God Infinite? It will determine how your made up, homophobic, Global murdering, misogynistic, egomaniac, Laws of Logic violating Christian God, is a fairy tale.
God is infinite, but you got a lot of what you said wrong. Is the man who flips the switch on the electric chair a murderer? Of coarse not. Neither is God for sentenceing people to death who broke His laws.
Can you give me 1 example where God violated logic. I'm not talking about something you don't understand and thus attrubute it a violation of logic. I'm talking an example of something that clearly violates logic as we know it.
Wow, I never saw someone fail so hard at disproving something. That in no way, shape or form disproves God. I'm willing to listen to any examples you may have, but if what you just typed is your justification for God being a fairy tale, then I really have nothing else to say.
I mean honesty...is that the best you could come up with?
Your last comment does not in any way, impugn the fact that an actual Infinite is impossible. And since you claim your God is Infinite, your God is disproved.
It's that simple. If you have any ability to refute that, besides claiming it doesn't disprove your God, simply because you said so, go ahead.
Let's think about time, Dhorpotato. Without infinite time, nothing could exist, because if there were not something that existed forever nothing could exist now, unless of course you believe that nothing begets something. So therefore, eternality is necessary for existence.
Infinite existence is necessary for existence. You see, if there were ever a time that nothing existed, nothing would ever exist. Therefore something has to have been in existence for all eternity.
Love,
The Amazing Imbecile, who is more educated than you, because he uses his brain.
Your jumping(digressing), which is Intellectually dishonest. You claimed there is such a thing as Infinite time. I just told you Infinite time isn't a valid concept, since Infinite time is self-refuting. Rather than admitting you were wrong, or further substantiating your claim, you jumped to another idiotic assertion, which is the claim of Infinite existence.
They are essentially the same thing. I used infinite time and infinite existence as synonyms. You see, what I meant by infinite time was eternality. I changed my wording so that you would better understand what I meant. You are just asserting that eternality is self-refuting, but giving no reason why it is.
"They can be considered the same thing, but technically are not."
^^^Your debating skills and Intellectual purity are atrociously poor.
if you're not insulting me and twisting my name like a middle school kid, you're making up crap that has NO REFERENT TO REALITY, and then you can't even get your story straight, and stick to it.
You have failed utterly in your epistemology, and I must take my leave from conversing with the likes of you.
The arguments you have used to supposedly "debunk" are rather weak.
Pakistan is not even close to Israel or Egypt and they didn't live in a time of information superhighways. There were very likely people who were sanitary and others who weren't. Making a law to be sanitary likely provided information to a lot people who just didn't know better.
ZimZam205 5 months ago
no one likes him, dont feed his ego.
KMcombine 7 months ago
1) Don't most animals instinctively know not to shit where they eat?
2) Maybe my history professor lied to be, but didn't the industrial revolution take place a lot more than a few decades ago?
3) On the topic of intellectual honesty, I'm fairly certain the term "germs" appears nowhere in Deuteronomy.
VigilanteNighthawk 10 months ago
We all are hypocrites, tooltime rebukes venomfang for chastising gogreen, but goes on to do same to venomfang.
Enayze 10 months ago
@Enayze
He's not a hypocrite, seeing as how VFX is a fucking prick.
NUTCASE71733 10 months ago 2
Hey here's an idea. You should make the background light a little smaller... It would make you look like Jesus :D
steinarrexfaroensis 11 months ago 2
bible never say anythig about science
esara6 1 year ago
ISAREL U mean
esara6 1 year ago
Even cow's find their own dung repugnant. They won't eat grass growing up through dung. This is obviously evolutionary.
We don't need god to tell us shit stinks.
estragon9 1 year ago
tell venom bang bus all religions evolved/copied from each other. no proof prophets had a eureka moment...
gwb911 1 year ago
That bit about the fecal matter is pretty fucking stupid. A dog will not shit near its food, nor lay down where it shits.
I guess there's a few of those shit eating dogs, but uhh.. We have shit eating people too.
resincoatedlungs 1 year ago
i would love to see him headbang
he would probably look more epic than when Amon Amarth headbangs
darthsasuke554 1 year ago 2
Shawn is a very confusing person. It`s kind of hard to tell if he seriously believes the shit he claims to believe, or if he`s just using the unbelieveable idiocy of Creationism and the negative attention it attracts to make himself famous to some degree. He WAS on YouTube for a while before he started making Creationist vids. Maybe he noticed all the drama going on between rational people and fundies and took advantage of it. Or maybe he`s just a twat.
shrikechan 1 year ago
@shrikechan Just a twat. Totally.
hyuugaamida 1 year ago
Q=quelle(source)
ma2ko 1 year ago
Excellent point
4:45 the Harappan settlements are all over India and Pakistan and predate the bible by over 5000 to 10000 year in the most conservative estimates.
Also the industrial revolution is far more than decades ago it started in the 18century which is the 1700's ad well over 200 years ago.
VFX is an idiot.
pranays 1 year ago
@pranays Harappan dates 26001900 BCE just do a google seach also the first civilization was the Mesopotamian at 4000 BCE witch is where the bible places eden, this is now modern day iraq .
modernrocks 1 year ago
@modernrocks - WRONG !
MaitreyaRocket 11 months ago
I miss Lacie Peterson!
Paulwhoisvegan 2 years ago
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CreationistsFAIL 2 years ago
7:26 all the way
daisuke1990 2 years ago
Ah, the German word for source is "Quelle"
(Pronounced "kwehlleh").
Mithcoriel 2 years ago
Debunked - scientifically.
Definately debunked.
From a scientific standpoint.
tw1stedgrudge 2 years ago
all hail the 5 stared jesus metal head athiest XD
Daclunator 2 years ago
Man you look like a metal head. ROCK ON!
ploxioths 2 years ago 22
so do i,thing is though,I AM a metalhead,if TT is,i have no idea.
TLSlayer 2 years ago
Everyone SHOULD be a metal head.
ploxioths 2 years ago
well,metal is good.
TLSlayer 2 years ago 14
@ploxioths random question: why do a lot of metal head hate emos?
deadbabyfromspace 5 months ago
@deadbabyfromspace
Because they are whinny little bitches.
ploxioths 5 months ago
Where exactly does the text referrence germs? Do you suppose that's where Louis Pasteur got his ideas from?
pirbird14 2 years ago
Animals who have NEVER read the Bible know not to defecate where they eat...were Christians dumber than animals that they had to be told not to defecate where they eat? Apparently.
spring1978ukma 2 years ago
Well to be honest animals don't exactly "know" not to defecate where they eat. It is just that those that do defecate where they eat have an evolutionary disadvantage as they are more likely to die of sickness. So those animals that do not will survive better.
The human genus fundi-christicus is in fact I believe distantly related to the dung beetle and is quite at home knee deep in bullshit. As a matter of fact they cannot survive without it.
Saromatae 2 years ago 2
oh my god.
the industrial revolution? has he never heard of the roman empire? the aqueducts? their streets were cleaner than during the dark ages when christianity ruled the western europe
Ilikenuman 2 years ago
OMG, you look a bit like Jebus Crist!!!!! lol
robertangel30 2 years ago
Hey, DO NOT take Jebus's name in sane, I mean cain, or is it bain?
he he, maybe it is gain!
spring1978ukma 2 years ago
Getting rid of waste as far away from the population is just common sense. Shit and piss stinks, keep it far far away. Nothing to do with germs.
robertangel30 2 years ago
I have four videos refuting gogreen.
Apologist117 2 years ago
your an apologist. no you don't xD
XxMetalManxX 2 years ago
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Get a haircut you poof...lol
U2Abe 2 years ago
I agree shawn really kept digging deeper. Hell if he had been in archeology he might actually get result even. He seems to like digging, digging deep if his attention would be unto something usefull.
But hey now he has more then enough time
masticina 2 years ago
LOL... Amazingly he doesn't answer... Just telling her she is going to hell... I had that with another guy when about homosexuality and the bible, I ask him about the other deadly actions that you have to kill the sinners for: Wearing clothes made of lin and cotton, growing seeds of 2 kings in the same field, working on Sunday (Be affraid clerks, be very afraid). Of course no answer just a stupid "I will pray for you". OMG...
bigsbyfreak 2 years ago
Let me explain the gospel of Thomas. It was not written in 140bc like VFX claims. Its actually up for debate when it was written. Evidence suggests only a time period. Of around 60bc - 140bc. But there is no actual date. For the love of GOD!!!!
bananabread119 2 years ago
it does'nt matter who wrote what gospel or when, all that matters is the message , the message that leads you back to deity spirituality perfect and evolved with love for deity being ready to everything for themselves
godsmystic1 2 years ago
It does matter because, Hes trying to disprove or discredit the whole text because hes a dumbass...
bananabread119 2 years ago
That is semi correct. Most scholars think it was written and added to over the coarse of a 50 - 100 years. It is almost impossible to date (as you said), but it is absolutly not authentic (sp).
truthforchrist 2 years ago
Like I said its up for debate. Tho I disagree with the whole 50-100 yrs thing But still as I said. Its up for debate. It is authentic tho. Its a farce story but so is the bible.
bananabread119 2 years ago
7:44 sounds like pretty much any creationist to me
kinglaffo 2 years ago
well I'd say his ship has sank now.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
lame
RandyLayhea 2 years ago
Industrial revolution a 'few decades ago'?
idontbelievereligion 2 years ago
Also happypranksgiving, you made a claim that you have failed to prove. You want me to back up my claim, yet you seem to want to ignor what I said without actually backing up your claim.
We call that a double standard.
If you have the balls, send me a messing refuting my examples. I'm not expecting much from you, but send me a message if you are interested because I know that 500 characters is no where near enough for a well written arguement.
truthforchrist 2 years ago
are you talking about "I pointed out the VenomFangX is stealing from sick children, he's born false witness against others, committed slander, and lied time and time again and your response is this long nonsensical bullshit." with "you made a claim that you have failed to prove." in witch case "a simple Google search" would show records of his misdeeds including but not limited to, his false dmca claims, and slander libel etc related there in. his pay pal donation scam.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
When I said "you made a claim and failed to back it up", I was talking to happypranksgiving. I apoligze if I made it seem like I was being disrespectful to you, but that wasn't my intent. I was only talking to happypranksgiving.
However, I agree with a lot of what you said. I'm not a fan of VFX's tact, nor is his personal interpertation of the Bible approved by the either the Catholic or Orthodox Church. He has a lot to learn.
truthforchrist 2 years ago
If God is everywhere why is he always invisible? If God hears every prayer why does he never answer directly, but either by complete ignorance or by random events that could have been caused by something completely different?
dassfrid 2 years ago
Introducing JESUS The Second Adam The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit For indeed He was crucified because of weakness, yet He lives because of the power of God For the Messiah also suffered for sins once for all, an innocent person for the guilty Jesus saith I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
valu777 2 years ago
venom is wize in GOD our Father eyes
he that win souls is wize
oh praise his mighty name LORD JESUS CHRIST
valu777 2 years ago
Wise people always lie constantly and steal from sick children. You idiots deserve to be robbed by this fraud.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
GOD has written on your heart and dispayed his wisdom in nature
so that no man has an excuse
yep NO EXCUSE my friends on that great and horible frighting awful shocking day of the LORD
my hope for you is all the best
venom has treasure waiting for him in heaven
thank you venom
valu777 2 years ago
Are you clinically retarded? I pointed out the VenomFangX is stealing from sick children, he's born false witness against others, committed slander, and lied time and time again and your response is this long nonsensical bullshit. You're a vile, disgusting, worthless excuse for a human being. You use your book to justify stealing from sick kids and think God will reward some twit for doing so. You're just revolting.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
venom is a hero
he has done a great job for JESUS CHRIST
our saviour and LORD
the king of kings
the lord of lords
the mighty LORD GOD
valu777 2 years ago
Stealing from kids is heroic? Are you going to address this fact or just keep parroting how great this thief is? Do you think stealing from children is right? Jesus himself would tell VenomFangX he's a scumbag to his face, just as he had no problem driving the moneychangers out of the temple with a whip. People like you are the kind of mindless, weak-willed fools that Jesus despised.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
dirt-digging
half-truths
ad hominem
dupersloby 2 years ago
Care to point out what ad hominem or half truth I stated?
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
VFX never stole from children
even if he did its ad hominem and excessive dirt-digging
that's what they did to Blagojevich just to get rid of a hero
dupersloby 2 years ago
It's not excessive dirt digging or an ad hominem. You're a retard.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
that's not nice.
and neither is your mothers ass.
dupersloby 2 years ago
You can talk about my mom's ass when your balls drop.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
*bloop* *bloop*
dupersloby 2 years ago
LOL is that the sound that dropped balls make!? hahahaha, nice.
coolbeens21 2 years ago
I have a playlist exposing VenomFangX's total lies. If you call that dirt-digging, then you sir are a moron. His slanders and lies have been thoroughly exposed. Only a Christian would be such an idiot to know of these lies and defend them as dirt-digging. My playlist shows VFX promising to donate anything over $500 to a children's charity, then later saying he wasn't going to. That's lying and stealing from kids by definition you dumbfuck.
utukkuxul 2 years ago
that's not nesecarily stealing from children.
deceptive moochery maybe.
but charity is bullshit anyway, its all about misplaced intentions of weakminded liberals.
haven't you ever seen death to smoochey?
dupersloby 2 years ago
yeah helping other people, what a load of shit. other people are pricks, they dont deserve anything
Ilikenuman 2 years ago
you go rent death to smoochey and tell me whether charity is shit or not.
do you know how much money it takes to make a charity commercial? where do you think your money is realy going?
dupersloby 2 years ago
well i work in a charity shop and ive been shown the expenses and the inputs and outputs. how the hell else are they gonna get the word out? i dont care how much money is spent on a commercial as long as it helps get the word out.
Ilikenuman 2 years ago
"Even as recently as the Industrial Revolution, which was only a few decades ago..."
?
kissfan7 2 years ago
OMG! this is from venomfangxsite (dot) com:
This site has been taken offline by the parents of VenomFangX, they don't support/share his views and apologize if he has offended anyone. This site will be offline for good in 3 days.
hatethestate 2 years ago
@hatethestate
"they don't support/share his views and apologize if he has offended anyone."
^^^So what are Shawns parents? I guess that means they are not Christian, but maybe Jewish instead?
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
"So what are Shawns parents? I guess that means they are not Christian, but maybe Jewish instead?"
Shawn said in one vid that he was from a jewish household and I think he said he even went to a jewish private school. In another vid he said that his parents don't believe in god. By this info, i'd say they are nonpracticing jews. I also have another theory that shawn doesn't actually have parents because he is in fact Satan.
hatethestate 2 years ago 2
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
glassessn 2 years ago
That is somewhat hilarious, and stupid in a way, that his parents control his website privileges when he is 22 or whatever.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
VenomFangX's account has been closed. It seems his parents have taken away his internet privileges entirely.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
VenomFangX's account is closed!
*does a dance*
hatethestate 2 years ago
LMAO that whole CG video VFX did srsly CREEPS me out!! LMAO
DisforDubby 2 years ago
Continued @Apologist325
This is impossible on a Theistic worldview. As prayer shows. Since facts are not facts Independent of consciousness, BUT CAN BE PRAYED, AND CHANGED AWAY AT WHIM, WISH OR WANT. Which means facts and truth, are not independently Objective, but are subjective, which means there can be no claim to truth or facts, on a Christian, or Theistic worldview.
Your worldview is utterly bankrupt.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
Continued @Apologist325
Everything that comes from a Theist perspective, is false, since it's grounded in subjectivity, and the self refuting paradigm of the primacy of Consciousness over the primacy of Existence. Since, when one claims something is true, and real, one is asserting that facts are facts, WHETHER ONE WISHES THEM TO BE OR NOT.
Continued...
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
@Apologist325
See, this is what mystics like you, and all God believers don't get about their fairy tale, evolutionarily programmed God belief superstition.
it's self refuting. You cannot claim truth or factuality, on a theistic worldview, since if the Theistic worldview were true, FACTS WOULD ONLY BE FACTS, SO LONG AS ONE WANTED THEM TO BE. Truth would be subject to the mind, and not INDEPENDENT OF IT.
Continued....
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
@Apologist325
Further, if such were true, it would have the dire consequences of there being no truth or factuality, to life and the Universe, since truth can only be truth, if it's INDEPENDENT OF CONSCIOUSNESS, AND NOT SUBJECT TO IT.
The idea of prayer, represents one of the greatest reasons why the Chrisitan God not only is disproved, BUT MUST BE DISPROVED.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
lol, google is god.
xtcx2e 2 years ago
Paul was written in the 50's
timothyderryadf 2 years ago
actually the industrial revolution was more than just a mere "few decades ago", Shawn... it was actually nearly two centuries ago. ;) well i mean, when it started.
corotor12345 2 years ago
he pwned himself..lol
pen12345 2 years ago
Comment bump
dawncherry7 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
ALMIGHTY GOD do exist, and the HOLY BIBLE is HIS word to us. So that we can get to know the truth about why we are here, and where we are going when we die. JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN. Yes that is true.
fettkatt87 2 years ago
Alright man, if you say so.
SteffenAK 2 years ago
So.. there's more than one God?
Killer191919 2 years ago
i think you are a bit off, but thats just me :).
corotor12345 2 years ago
wow another idiot comes out of the woodwork
MADDOGGPOUND69 2 years ago
Delusion. Prove it.
sardeth 2 years ago
The Romans would eat with one hand and wipe themselves with the other. Primitive, but surprisingly effective as a hygienic practice. Sanitation is an old concept.
JackTheStolen 2 years ago
Didn't Shawn go up against TAA a year or two ago?
Zekkron 2 years ago
Yes... and he got utterly destroyed.
xRuinedFaithx 2 years ago 2
> "Shawn won't face me on religion...then again neither will TAA. cowards both."
Correct me if I'm confusing you with somebody else, but didn't you use to have a channel called ChristBravo where you claimed that you WERE Jesus?
Maybe both PCS and TAA have you confused with that guy.
LordCustos3 2 years ago
Stopped the video at fifteen seconds.
VenomFangX has yet to defy my expectations. He does exactly what every apologist does. No matter how hard you get him, and no matter how neatly you have him cornered, he will always -ALWAYS- falls back on the fact that his sheep still follow him. As long as he never owns up, they still believe in him.
He's a con artist, of the same ilk as Kevin Trudeau and Don Lapre. It never matters that you can destroy his arguments, because he has mindless followers.
Neilsama 2 years ago
Don't forget Kent Hovind - Young Earth Creationist "expert" - who is behind bars for tax fraud. VFX is absolutely on par with those frauds, or at least will be in a few years at the rate he is going.
percymate 2 years ago
party in Amsterdam :D
I do that allot mostly because I live there lol.
pr0x1 2 years ago
Does Laci have the camera pointed at her ridiculous chest? Why do I even ask, of course she does.
Kelp25 2 years ago
ROFL!! <3
PizelDizel 2 years ago
throwing chairs...what a bunch of blouses. They have to ruin it for everybody Turkish fans at Euro?
Chick6517 2 years ago
So you are mad at VenomFangX because he gave a pretentious yet correct response to GoGreen and your advice to GoGreen is to continue to restate flawed/incorrect aurguments in retaliation? You also say everything he has ever said has been debunked yet you admit he was correct in his answer to Gogreen?? Ooook then.
deomartinez77 2 years ago
I did not say that his WHOLE response was correct. i said he was right about a couple of points, mainly the gospel of Thomas.
tooltime9901 2 years ago
I didnt say that you said his whole response was correct. I said that you say everything he has ever said has been debunked. To be more accurate you said "Every single thing that he has put out of his mouth has been debunked." This cant be completely true as he wouldnt have been correct in his answer concerning the Gospel of Thomas.
deomartinez77 2 years ago
The pretentious way in which he answered seems to be the thing that upsets you the most not just the fact that he believes the bible blindly. However the smug nature posed by the question perhaps warranted a pretentious tone in the response.
deomartinez77 2 years ago
I don't think its fair to call him bias, (sry my spelling sux) he was himself an aethiast for a long time, and did not believe in what he does now.
Orowam 2 years ago
I think that is an outright lie by him, and if not, he was only an atheist in the sense that he didn't believe in god, but didn't fully understand why (and didn't understand any of the evidence to support atheistic claims). He still doesn't.
TheFemaleDurden 2 years ago
lol. no one's talking about the video.
tooltime is pretty boring.
dupersloby 2 years ago
Well I watched the whole video. I'm not really following the whole VFX vs. Laci thing. VFX is a tool in my eyes and always will be a tool as long as he is still saying the same garbage creation story.
percymate 2 years ago
Mig is right. That was a Jewish exegetical method and it isn't an error, it's just different. It does invalidate the apologetic value of using CERTAIN prophecies, however.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
OT prophecy isn't really useful as an apologetic argument imo. It's a really cool topic, but I don't use it as an apologetic argument. Neither is scientific foreknowledge. I think one must be consistent in interpreting scripture. Some obviously symbolic passages can be literalized to predict science, but if you literalize similar passages, it comes out totally contrary to science.
I'm glad you admit the GThom is late.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
It says that Pi is equal to three in the bible. That's it, just the number three. By any scientific standard the bible is wayyyy off. And don't you dare say that's metaphorical.
percymate 2 years ago
Pi is 3 and then an unlimited amount of numbers. If it was 3.1 you would complain it wasn't 3.14. If it was 3.14 you would complain it didn't have two more numbers and so on. It's an estimation.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
The Greeks predicted Pi to five digits past three. Obviously if the all knowing master of the universe were truly omniscient he would have at least said more than just "pi is equal to three."
percymate 2 years ago 2
Yet if the Bible had done it five digits past three you would demand seven. It's an estimate. Any estimate is an estimate.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
No, I just expect the master of the universe to know more digits of Pi than me - a humble creature with a primitive brain that formed through a gradual process of evolution. 3.14159. There, not so hard. Besides adding anymore digits than that has negligible results on simple calculations. 3.14 is infinitely more useful for geometry than just the number 3. Try it, whip out a calculator and estimate the diameter of a plate based on its circumference. You'll notice that 3.14 rocks 3's world.
percymate 2 years ago
Stop tripping on decimal points. Pi is 22/7. No estimate is needed. Did the Egyptians estmate the right triangle? The bible erred. Now, please go and check yourself. I believe you might have been wearing garments of more than one kind of cloth.
kevinandmarcy321 2 years ago
Greetings from amsterdam :)
sickliberal 2 years ago
Yeah, VFX would never go up against someone like Peter... ever since he tried to go against Thunderf00t and came back in a stretcher.
Ryan9145X 2 years ago 3
The material online against biblical prophecy, is from atheists, Freemasons and Communists. Contemporary scholarship has blown their arguments out of the water. There are many books disproving atheist arguments.
Apologist325 2 years ago
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
percymate 2 years ago
I can give you an extensive bibliography if you like. These atheists on the internet are uneducated on these subjects, but in their arrogance think they know everything.
Apologist325 2 years ago
Google the STEP Prayer project by the Templeton foundation. It conclusively debunks the claim that god answers prayers - something I imagine is upheld in biblical prophecy.
percymate 2 years ago
Do you really believe them? There are over one billion Christians in the world, and almost that amount of Muslims just today, who will swear on their death beds that God has answered prayer. He has in my own life answered prayer. And we have 2,000 years of eastern saints and Christians in my church who have answered prayer. Those people need to come down from their ivory towers and look at what is going on in the word and history.
Apologist325 2 years ago
The Templeton foundation is a purely religious organization. I don't see why they of all people would conclude that prayer does not work. If it works so well why couldn't it help people getting heart surgery?
percymate 2 years ago
Any proof of that? No? Is that because you're just talking nonsense that has no basis in reality? I'm guessing so.
amhemsley 2 years ago
@ Apologist325
"There are over one billion Christians in the world...who will swear on their death beds that God has answered prayer. He has in my own life answered prayer..."
Uh-huh... The most common evidence of god's existence that christians give is their own testimonials. "God healed me" or "I spoke to god"... Etc.
Christians cannot give any CONCRETE evidence that god exists or answers their prayers.
Christianity = bullshit. plain and simple
TheFlST 2 years ago
You're a young and ignorant westerner. Christiaity as you understand it in Evangelicalism is indeed "BS." But tell our many saints in the eastern Church, which you know nothing about, that it is "BS." The first 123 colleges in America were founded by Christians. Over 80% of the colleges, universities, and orphanages in America were founded by Christians. Tell that to them. Tell Saint Mary of Egypt who went from a life of prostitution to sainhood that it's "BS."
Apologist325 2 years ago
Sure, a lot of colleges, universities, and orphanages were founded by Christians.
SO? It doesn't prove that god exists. And it is totally irrelevant to the point I made about Christians not having any undeniable concrete evidence to prove that their god exists.
You tried to dodge the bullet and you failed. I might not know everything, but I'm pretty good at arguing. Try again if you want.
TheFlST 2 years ago
Not that this will prove anything, but there is over 1 billion Catholics in the world, and 2.3ish billion Christians.
Numbers don't prove anything, but I just wanted to clarify.
truthforchrist 2 years ago
2.1 billion Christians, 4.6 billion non-Christians
TheFlST 2 years ago
@Apologist325
"who will swear on their death beds that God has answered prayer. He has in my own life answered prayer. And we have 2,000 years of eastern saints and Christians in my church who have answered prayer."
^^^The idea of your fairy tale God answering prayer, is not only impossible, but one of the greatest reasons why God belief not only should be disproved, but must be disproved.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
You rule out possibilities even before examination. You can only make the claim He hasn't answered prayer if you have asked every person who has ever lived. You can't do that. You just ASSUME He doesn't because you ASSUME He doesn't exist. I HAVE SEEN ANSWERED PRAYER. All it takes is one example to negate your thesis.
Apologist325 2 years ago
@Apologist325
Your made up God cannot answer prayer, since that entails the idea that consciousness has primacy over existence. WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE. Prayer entails asking a God, to change some fact of reality(existence), through an act of pure will. Existence does not conform to pure consciousness, therefore, no God can change Existence and the facts of reality, to suit a humans selfish desires, whims, wants and wishes.
Continued....
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
"You can only make the claim He hasn't answered prayer if you have asked every person who has ever lived. You can't do that."
Do you believe in little green martians? Have you personally questioned every redneck trailer dweller who has been anally probed by them?
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
And the Bible says that God does not hear the prayers of the wicked. So if their prayers are not answered, it's their own fault.
Apologist325 2 years ago
hey...please fuck off with that condemning horseshit...why are you people sooooo terrified to live without your childish certainties.......im human just like you and i have no problem accepting that a huge part of life/ reality is an unknowable mystery...i dont understand you people
toolkills 2 years ago
The STEP Prayer project had a prayer base of Christians and Muslims from around the world, all devout believers in the efficacy of prayer and believers in their own god, yet their prayer didn't work. Are you really saying those people are wicked? Just read the study and you will understand that prayer does not work.
percymate 2 years ago
Jeremiah 49:33 (King James Version)
"And Hazor shall be a dwelling for dragons, and a desolation for ever: there shall no man abide there, nor any son of man dwell in it."
"Yes, Bible prophecy is true." Dragons?! Give me a break!
percymate 2 years ago 2
Some of the Bible is metaphorical or poetical. Dragon is an ancient term. Just because Hollywood makes them look ridiculous, does not mean they were.
Apologist325 2 years ago
Apologist325, question is...which parts do you class as poetical? Are parts of the Bible that sound like fairytales meant to be poetical? Christians can't pick what they want to believe from the Bible, they should either believe it all or not believe any of it because Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God
lasso5 2 years ago
> "Just because Hollywood makes them look ridiculous, does not mean they were."
The Bible does a fine job of making itself ridiculous. 'Hollywood' has nothing to do with that, in fact 'Hollywood' did a hell of a job of taming/skipping over the ridiculous parts of the Bible.
Hollywood version: Charleton Heston being heroic and noble.
Real Bible Version: Jephthah burns his own Daughter at the stake as a human sacrifice to Yahweh (Judges 11:34-39)
LordCustos3 2 years ago
hahaha you are a nut dude.....are you seriously claiming that the bible has more evidence supporting it than disproving it?!?!?!?!?!......get an education please you ignorant ass
toolkills 2 years ago
@Apologist325
It's appealing someone could actually support the Bible, and strive to prove that it's correct at every turn.
Why one would support a Bible that claims it's God is a Global murderer, baffles me greatly.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
Good advice for Laci!
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
I love hearing about all of this
Rev01t 2 years ago
As a scholar myself, I completely reject the "Q" document, but that hardly matters.
No one has ever seen it, there are no copies or it, it can't be reconstructed, no one knows when it was written, no one knows who wrote it, there is not a single reference to it in any historical document, and the Church father letters don't mention anything about it.
truthforchrist 2 years ago
"As a scholar myself, I completely reject the "Q" document, but that hardly matters."
A scholar of what are you, if I may ask? Since I don't see you subscribed to PCS nor having him on your friends list, I have refrained from paraphrasing my question in a mocking manner. Please provide an honest answer to an honest question.
Akatam0t0ma 2 years ago
I don't subscribe to VFX because his interpertation is his own and he has a lot to learn. I love him as a brother in Christ, but I disagree with most of what he says.
I am a Biblical Scholar. I study Koine Greek and Hebrew manuscripts of the OT and NT. If you would like more information (since I am not exactly sure what info you are looking for), feel free to ask.
truthforchrist 2 years ago
@truthforchrist
"I am a Biblical Scholar"
^^^Why do you worship a fairy tale
God said to be a Global murderer?
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
actually...we are the massacre no one else...quit blaming G-D for the shortcoming's of man.
thecitylightsbloom 2 years ago
It's possible to be a Bible Scholar without being a believer. Granted, there aren't too many worthwhile Bible Scholars who aren't believers (it's true...most of the fantastic scholars are believers). However, I am a very devout believer.
I don't consider God to be a fairy tale. You are welcome to disagree, but I haven't heard a single arguement that discredits the existance of God.
truthforchrist 2 years ago
@truthforchrist
Your particular God is a fairy tale for several reasons.
For starters, answer this question:
Is your God Infinite? It will determine how your made up, homophobic, Global murdering, misogynistic, egomaniac, Laws of Logic violating Christian God, is a fairy tale.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
God is infinite, but you got a lot of what you said wrong. Is the man who flips the switch on the electric chair a murderer? Of coarse not. Neither is God for sentenceing people to death who broke His laws.
Can you give me 1 example where God violated logic. I'm not talking about something you don't understand and thus attrubute it a violation of logic. I'm talking an example of something that clearly violates logic as we know it.
truthforchrist 2 years ago
@truthforchrist
"God is infinite, but you got a lot of what you said wrong"
^^^Then your particular God Is disproved, since an actual infinite is impossible.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
Wow, I never saw someone fail so hard at disproving something. That in no way, shape or form disproves God. I'm willing to listen to any examples you may have, but if what you just typed is your justification for God being a fairy tale, then I really have nothing else to say.
I mean honesty...is that the best you could come up with?
truthforchrist 2 years ago
@truthforchrist
Your last comment does not in any way, impugn the fact that an actual Infinite is impossible. And since you claim your God is Infinite, your God is disproved.
It's that simple. If you have any ability to refute that, besides claiming it doesn't disprove your God, simply because you said so, go ahead.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
Without infinity, nothing could exist
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
@TheAmazingImbecile
"Without infinity, nothing could exist"
^^^Hahahaha! Why is that?
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
Dear Dhorpatan,
1. I said so
2. You said not
3. I am greater than thou
4. You are less than I
5. Therefore, It is true
Let's think about time, Dhorpotato. Without infinite time, nothing could exist, because if there were not something that existed forever nothing could exist now, unless of course you believe that nothing begets something. So therefore, eternality is necessary for existence.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
@TheAmazingImbecile
What wrong with you? Infinite time is self-refuting. Almost every educated person knows that.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
Dear Dorkpatan,
Infinite existence is necessary for existence. You see, if there were ever a time that nothing existed, nothing would ever exist. Therefore something has to have been in existence for all eternity.
Love,
The Amazing Imbecile, who is more educated than you, because he uses his brain.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
@TheAmazingImbecile
Your jumping(digressing), which is Intellectually dishonest. You claimed there is such a thing as Infinite time. I just told you Infinite time isn't a valid concept, since Infinite time is self-refuting. Rather than admitting you were wrong, or further substantiating your claim, you jumped to another idiotic assertion, which is the claim of Infinite existence.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
@Dhorpatan
They are essentially the same thing. I used infinite time and infinite existence as synonyms. You see, what I meant by infinite time was eternality. I changed my wording so that you would better understand what I meant. You are just asserting that eternality is self-refuting, but giving no reason why it is.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
@TheAmazingImbecile
How is Infinite time, and Infinite existence, the same thing?
Dhorpatan 2 years ago
They aren't really the same thing, which is why I changed my wording.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
They can be considered the same thing, but technically are not.
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
@TheAmazingImbecile
"They can be considered the same thing, but technically are not."
^^^Your debating skills and Intellectual purity are atrociously poor.
if you're not insulting me and twisting my name like a middle school kid, you're making up crap that has NO REFERENT TO REALITY, and then you can't even get your story straight, and stick to it.
You have failed utterly in your epistemology, and I must take my leave from conversing with the likes of you.
Good day to you sir.
Dhorpatan 2 years ago