The Heavener Runestone Explained

[bluesb52]

i have been there and seen this place and it is something to see and enjoy.i lived in van buren ark.about 80 miles from there.

[urbman29]

i heard scientists said it takes thousands of years for rocks to erode like that.lolol

[1abbie]

Jackson, did you actually climb down that cliff face? Awesome!

[halinint]

There have also been runes discovered in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Thor Heyerdahl apparently found runes throughout central and south america over a 20-year period and it is widely accepted that the Scandinavians were the Mayan's gods who came from the sea, were tall, white skinned, red haired and had beards. (The Mayans did not grow beards. Why would their gods, othewise?)

[halinint]

There have also been runes discovered in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Thor Heyerdahl apparently found runes throughout central and south america over a 20-year period and it is widely accepted that the Scandinavians were the Mayan's gods who came from the sea, were tall, white skinned, red haired and had beards. (The Mayans did not grow beards. Why would their gods, othewise?)

[halinint]

Obviously trouble ensued since the Mayans abandoned their coastal settlements.

Columbus knew there were lands to the west because of the communications between the Knights Templar refuged in Scotland and those Knights Templar refuged in Portugal. The Scandinavians who held Scotland at that time had been traveling to the Americas for a long while. Roslyn Chapel in Scotland stands as proof.

[dtlofwar]

My one real problem with this video is your pronunciation of rune and its derived words.

I think the word is similarly said to "dune", but with a r in place of the d. RUN-stone just makes you (and the subject) sound silly, which I believe would be an injustice. Also, being from within 75 miles of said stones, I believe that if i can say it right, so can you.

As for the subject, i find it intriguing, and would love to see images of the swords and such found there, and of the type of stone there.

[jacksonburns56]

@dtlofwar My, aren't you the teacher. that is the way it is pronounced there in Heavener not 75 miles away or in Europe.

As the pronunciation of the derived words, that is proper as to University of Iceland specs

[classicscrap1]

i find this very cool redneck nice up load maybe the last time a spanish man was there before you

[TalvellaMaa]

Amasing! I'd invest in a masive digup and find that body, sword, shield, or whatever could be in the chamber!

[jacksonburns56]

@TalvellaMaa The state refuses to dig there or do a serious study, even though the OK was given by the state to do so five years ago. Gloria Farley's stuff, artifacts and papers were taken by the state and cannot be seen for 50 years.

State officials think it is a hoax and only keep the park open because the land will revert back to the family if closed

Coverup

[Duttydutdut]

@jacksonburns56 Born and raised in Poteau, around runestone all my life. What coins, swords and other stuff were found in this area. I'd like to research this as I have never heard of any other findings besides the other rune stones.

[jacksonburns56]

@Duttydutdut Go to Kerr Museum to start and then Heavener to get old timer tales. Try the book,"Unexplained Oklahoma Mysteries'. Also go to Waldron, Ark to Blythe Museum.

This will get you started

[paranrm]

All of ya'll making negative comments need to stop. What are ya'lls belief of history based on? Hve any of ya''ll gotten up off of your fat asses to do research. I did'nt think so. Sitting in front of your computer and arguing with a person whom has gotten off of his butt and really researching thing not getting the info off of wikepedia. Duh.

[crazyspoonhead2]

aliens...

[regebro]

It says GNOMEDAL with the N and L reversed. It's possibly a name. NOMEDAL is a modern last name in Norway, and eight letters is not enough letters to get any useful meaning out. It's always problematic when an inscription makes more sense in modern language than the language is was supposed to be written in, see Kensington for example.

[jacksonburns56]

Yes there are others that have come up with that, the current translation that is being used is GLOMEDAL and that is said to represent a valley of Glome. That is being used by the state of Oklahoma, however in 1927 the Smithstonian Institute translated it to GAOMEDAT and that translation again was used in 1965 in another study. The inscription was found in the 1830's by a Choctaw hunting party, so whoever made it knew runes and Native Americans did not

[regebro]

@jacksonburns56 Don't try to shift the discussion here. This is about the Heavener runestone, and your fanciful imaginations. There is no evidence that it's genuine whatsoever, and your explanation is complete nonsense with no basis in reality. You still hasn't provided one single example of a genuine runestone that supports your delusions.

[jacksonburns56]

Actually, instead of bickering away, why don't you do me a favor and give me a transliteration of what this inscription says, into English, in your view. Only what you think it says, there have been several translations and I am open to others

[regebro]

Sorry for crushing your fantasy world. And I do realize you won't listen, but hopefully others who see this will.

[jacksonburns56]

Only fantasy world that is being crushed is yours and the other so called experts as this is proof and with the Roman coins being found there which were used as amulates, evident that this is Goth, add all of the rest of the Goth/Old Norse findings in the area such as tools, swords and other items, brings proof that they were here. No matter how hard you argue. Evidence is evidence

[regebro]

Hahaha! Find one genuine runestone that uses that rune as a property marker, or talks about property made for dead persons, or for that matter should be read as a rebus. This is runes, not hieroglyphs!

What utter nonsense.

[jacksonburns56]

Well I have found them all over that match this one and in Scandanavia, Denmark and other countries the runestones are still used as boundry markers. They are many examples of runes being used to mark graves and as an observance of dead folks.

I think you just want to argue because you certainly do not know your history, that is what is utter nonsense, arguing when you do not have facts correct

[regebro]

No, they aren't used as boundary markers. And you are switching topics, I asked for examples of that rune used to mean "property marker" which is what you claim it means in the video.

And I asked for examples of stones mentioning property made for dead persons. Your "I have found them all over" is not an answer. Each runestone in Swedene has a catalog number. List the catalog numbers of the genuine runestones that are comparable to this one.

You can't? right, Because it's complete nonsense.

[Helixdodge]

A body or two, as we all know whould prove it,, DNA testing. If this was true we would be needing to change some parts of the history books. I say excavate that collapsed chamber, done by professionals....Maybe people can't handle a change in history like that. What we have known our whole life could be wrong.... I can see this being very controversial....

[PerditionsSon]

nordicpatriot "But those places were not colonised before the 9th and 10th centuries."

Just because a place isn't colonized does not mean there is not a way to get food and supplies...I can find food without a grocery store... Obviously the natives were doing just fine without white man colonies....

[jacksonburns56]

As with Greenland that was 'colonized' and few years later everyone had disappeared because they could not adapt to their surroundings and the natives, it likely occured here as well, hence a burial chamber

[regebro]

Norse settlement of Greenland carried on for about 450 years. You call that "a few years later"?

The norse didn't use burial chambers, that's bronze-age stuff. You are off with at least a 1000 years. :)

[jacksonburns56]

Sorry guy but this is Goth going into a transitional phase to Elder Futhurk, inscription has been dated to 750 ad

[nordicpatriot]

What do you mean when you say the 'natives'? The Faroe Islands and Iceland were largely empty before the 9th and 10th century, with the exception of a few Irish and Scottish monks who went there to live as hermits.

Greenland had a tiny native Inuit population, but since it's the world's largest island, it would have been a fluke if they ever met any vikings. Sure, it's not impossible to find food there, but these places all have a harsh climate without forests or soil for agriculture.

[jacksonburns56]

@nordicpatriot

No, in some of the remaining writings of those that settled Greenland, it stated they had many problems with the 'skraelings' there.

In the US, there were blonde, blue eyed Native Americans such as the Mandans that were reported thus further providing evidence of Nordic contact well before Columbus

[PerditionsSon]

monkeyguitar10

The got there the same way they got to Minnesota to make the Kingsington Runestone, through the St. Lawrence Seaway, from there they went through the Great Lakes to the head waters of the Mississippi River, down the Mississippi then up through the Arkansas River into Oklahoma, then an easy foot journey to where the stone is.

[jacksonburns56]

The Heavener Runestone is about 10 miles from the Arkansas River, the Poteau River comes off the Arkansas and goes within 5 miles from the stone, from there Morris Creek takes off and passes within 1 mile and from there is a creek that leads directly to the Runestone and the Ancient Trail.

[plumstreetmusic]

I tend to agree. I've been studying navigational geometry and alignments and have found courses from Bermuda, the Newport Tower, and Oak Island, NS which pass through key points of the Great Lakes Biome and converge in the Kensington area. I am now researching the Heavener Runestone and others.

[plumstreetmusic]

I tend to agree. I've been studying navigational geometry and alignments and have found courses from Bermuda, the Newport Tower, and Oak Island, NS which pass through key points of the Great Lakes Biome and converge in the Kensington area. I am now researching the Heavener Runestone and others. (see next comment)

[nordicpatriot]

This must be a hoax. Leif Eriksson only discovered America shortly after 1000 AD.

[jacksonburns56]

@nordicpatriot

The inscriptions have been dated to around 750ad through testing and Choctaws knew of the stone in the 1830's. There are many rune stones in Oklahoma. Also two of the aetts are Goth and roman coins have been found in the area

Sorry, it is real

[monkeyguitar10]

Okay, so how exactly are you saying the vikings arrived in Heavener? They are from Scandinavia, and Newfoundland. Do you think they sailed around the Bahamas, and into through the Arkansas into the Poteau, ending up in Heavener? Likely story... So, they ignored the white sand beaches, and plentiful food on the Bahamas, and headed for Heavener, makes perfect sense...

[jacksonburns56]

@monkeyguitar10

Well, I am not explaining how they got there only that they must have gotten there. If this is Goth inscriptions, then it even pre-dates the Viking era, so they are not Viking and most likely came from Rome after the Goths sacking it in the 400ads, because of the Roman coins found in the vicinity of Heavener. If they did come there it was from the Great Lakes on down to the Arkansas not up the Mississippi as now claimed

[jacksonburns56]

@monkeyguitar10

To continue, the Vikings and Goths had boats that would traverse shallow drafts in water of 3 feet thus making them able explore much of America, as far as getting here they could follow ice paths acoss the ocean as evidence has been discovered that such climate changes have occured over the centuries and one small Ice Age did occur in the Dark Ages about that time

They never got close to the Bahamas

[nordicpatriot]

I don't believe it. The viking longship doesn't have much storage capacity, so the vikings couldn't cross the Atlantic in one go. They would have had to stop in ports to get new provisions of food and water several times. The only route they could have taken was from Norway or Denmark, first to the Faroe Islands, then Iceland, then Greenland and after that Canada. But those places were not colonised before the 9th and 10th centuries. They were uninhabited before that. So it's impossible.

[jacksonburns56]

Well, that is one of the many impossible things that are in Oklahoma that can not be explained such as ancient mosaic tile floors discovered in Edmond Oklahoma or block walls buried in millions of years old coal seams in Heavener or the giant skeletons found on the mountain.

[jacksonburns56]

The Longship had tremendous storage and could carry livestock as well as horses, the smaller draft boats did not

[5deucecuzz]

lol i live in poteau, used to live and go to school in heavener tho been to runestone alot, all the young people go there to Chill

[randomnumber81]

good vid. Action jackson! (from morris creek road okie) ;)

[rainer1980]

Well it's certainly possible because archaeologists know from Norse-made combs found in England dated at 730 A.D. that the Vikings were getting around much earliar than the start of the Viking Age in 793. And this runestone is thought to be dated at 750 A.D.

[jacksonburns56]

Thank you for the comment, Date on the stone is 650-750 ad, most likely around 725 ad according to tests done on it

[rainer1980]

You're welcome. I have a VHS tape recording of a two part BBC documentary: Episode I: "Blood of The Vikings" and Episode II: "Trail of The Vikings." I don't remember which episode it was, but in one of those it talked about the Norse-made combs showing the Norse were traveling outside of Scandinavia around 730 A.D.

[purpelhazze]

Bull Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jacksonburns56]

@purpelhazze Look on the bottom of your shoes

[purpelhazze]

and you too !! ;P

[Vulcanic74]

great video thank you for putting this as a responce to my video!

[gavilan411]

Great video. I'm about the same age. I was there at Xmas. Mom got married and moved to Hodgen last May. Took video of Runestone. Locals don't seem interested in making this area a tourist spot. Was that you as a kid in another video holding the etched rock? I think there must be lots of artifacts buried there. Ground not very stable. Saw the warning BUT...Is there a curse? LOL...

[jacksonburns56]

Good old Hodgen, I have relatives that live there and some family members are buried in the cemetary there.

No the inbred, boneheads there have just about killed Heavener with their lack of progress and ignorance of tourism. I left that area because of this and have tried for over thirty years to get something happening there with tourism.

The kid was from Warner , not me, he found the Warner stone. Many things are still there, they just have to be found. I think the whole area is cursed

[jacksonburns56]

Thank you for watching, stay tuned for more

[chestertouristcom]

which alphabet are they using ?

[jacksonburns56]

Transitional phase between Goth and Elder Furthurk

[shawnw24]

I like it, good understanding.

Shawn

[jacksonburns56]

Thank you, keep watching many more coming

[geoshelewis]

nice video

[jacksonburns56]

Thank you, many more are coming, keep checking back