Have Profits Corrupted US Healthcare? - Walter Bortz

[repentandbesaved7]

so should doctors and pharmaceutical representatives be in black trench coats instead of white lab coats

[repentandbesaved7]

drug money...blood money

[wa9r]

6 people didn't honor their genetic endowments

[mike3214545]

watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ Watch this, it's the zeitgiest.

[M3nac3r]

NHLBI's ATP III which steers cholesterol treatment is 8 of 9 funded by the statin producers.

USDA's DGAC decides what food is good and nearly all 13 are funded by grain companies.

Lobbyists drive healthcare policy, and the world is paying for it.

[madass888]

@dickwadd13

You really think the insurance company's are losing with this new bill? The government has just guaranteed them tens of millions of customers. Now all incentive to provide a better service, even if there was just a little, is lost. I bet they've helped pushing the bill themselves with their lobbyist. People should get off the idea that big corporations and governments are rivals. The only cure for bad corporations is competition, not bigger government.

[ricanlegend203]

@thedogribs here in america, the system will let us after. I did with pain chest pain oh my goodness I can't even explain it and guess what I have no health care does it surprise you? I am so sick of our american system. I am seriously considering moving to canada I will pay more taxes, it doesn't bother me as long as I know I will have healthcare

[ricanlegend203]

our healthcare system sucks

[TheDogRibs]

How refreshing to here someone admit the medical profession is corrupt. I've suffered with Lyme disease for twelve years and have encountered nothing but hubris, arrogance, and incompetence in the medical field. It's been romanticized on television and now it is a power structure out to make money. It's so rich it can no longer be fought against. Doctors are elitists of our society who have no organization but their own to police their practices. If a doctor doesn't help you; don't pay.

[5uckRogers]

@TheDogRibs This is not only an american phaenomenon, its the same worldwide and medicine isnt even 10 percent of the drug business. The vast money goes to commercial articles like crema or fancy shower gels. I d like to know where our nowerdays medicine would be if they ´d spend more money on real medicine instead of researching the new fancy anti traspirant. Its almost the same with lawyers who invent new laws to keep themselves busy otherwise they´d be jobless. The whole society is corrupt.

[repentandbesaved7]

@TheDogRibs this is why we do not need another healthcare bill it will only make pharmaceutical companies even more powerful!

[jobedied]

What is really sad is our kids will not live as long as us. We are bioaccumulating so many industrial toxins in our bodies that by the time the next generation matures new cancers new treatments, and special high effective cures will be only available for the rich. 700 new chemical compounds are released into the environment each year untested unregulated and unreported. YOu think the Gulf oil spill is bad wake up American fools you are being butt f$%#@d as you smile and take your viagra.

[repentandbesaved7]

@jobedied also the infertility rates are increasing because of GMO (cough) wheat, I mean wheat (sacracism). Genetically modified wheat is causing this problem. they predict the the 7th or 8th generation will be infertile. we are in the 6 or 7th generation.

[craneywatch]

Sorry to say, but sometimes I feel that some heads of healthcare need to be executed unless they start thinking about people's lives but not their own profit. Let's face it - they are the greatest murderers. To be honest I wish no one to be executed, but if are the doctor and make money upon the grave of your patients...

[agenthelios]

US = most corrupt organization in modern day. I say oust all the piles of shit and put all NEW people in with 0 connection to the lobbyists!

[arseniyonline1234555]

"The United States, which spent more than any other nation on health care, was ranked 37th and trailed countries such as Colombia and Morocco, which had much lower levels of health spending. Italy, Spain, Oman, Austria, and Japan all captured spots in the top 10" Encyclopedia Britannica, 2008.

[babaganoosh007]

THANK YOU!!!

Finally, someone who sees the corrupt system.

[mrwhite692000]

Bravo!

[TonyBtheEG]

Thanks for sharing.

[artformeandyou]

Good NPR interview with Dr. Paul: watch?v=NmdXrAjodps

[blackiron60]

This guy is brilliant and his words apply in a lot of areas of life. It is far better to live life to the fullest than be constantly "in repair" and way too many people are "in repair" at any given time.

[realisoph]

What I mean to say is... it is not about education per se... but about education about prevention, rather than that American business of "proaction" ...suggesting security through war and vitamin pills.

[realisoph]

Education indeed is the key... but the problem is, that what people are tought or would be tought is not what Mr. Bortz has in mind... it is the same lame shit that sells to day... only sold as "knowledge" and "wisdom" ... just take those happy pills and happy you will be (making their producers).

[Th3Wab3]

@fzqlcs

Sounds like a big step in the right direction...

[fzqlcs]

Rather than providing grants for research, which perpetuates tail-chasing--since a cure puts them out of business--simply offer a huge reward for cures. Then, the market will begin providing the answers.

[Mastikator]

If you live in the US and have cancer you have a statistically higher chance of living longer than anywhere in the world. Yeah, the evils of profits have corrupted the health-care industry into making cancer patients living longer.

Bring some of that evil corruption to Sweden I want in too.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

@Mastikator good point, thanks for bringing some balance into the dicsussion, I live in Canada and my experiences in the last 2 weeks make me wish I could afford to go to the states, cause I need competent health care

[JonnieDarko69]

"95% of cancer is preventable"......what type of cancer and how can we prevent it? People live their lives and have to pay for the consequences. Cancer is not the Flue....thats why so many people unexpectantly get it. Take the profit motive away from business and the innovation dies with it.

[arequipa1]

fucking idiots. the only thing that has corrupted healthcare is MORONS WHO DON'T WANT TO WORK and the government. so fuck you all, lazy sons of bitches.

[eirefrance]

This is why I like FORA, theres always such intelligent discussion found here.

[arequipa1]

oh good it's eirefrance, the looney weirdo liberal wacko who a) probably belongs in prison and b) probably doesn't have a job. take your diatribe elsewhere you leftist lunatic marxist.

[eirefrance]

I object to your depiction of me. Alliteration sounds so much better, so in the future, please address me as the weirdo wacko liberal looney leftist marxist. Feel free to add bashi-bazouk, iconoclast and ten-thousand thundering typhoons as you wish. But do avoid the racism, please, it gives me gas.

[arequipa1]

i didn't use any racist terminology

nice use of captain haddock expressions. i give you credit for that.

but not for being a leftist marxist nutjob

[eirefrance]

Nutjob? And you say you don't use racist expressions!!!! My people have been oppressed too long for our work in nut factories. I'll not allow you to disparage the good name of the Acornians with such foul language!!!!

[arequipa1]

this is why my people don't take your people seriously.

[ferrozm]

Profits are the mechanisms by which producers know that they have a successful product that they are willing to pay for. Gov regulations causes insurance companies to have to deny coverage to gain profits. Stop the subsidies and have true de-regulation not corporate friendly Reagan de-reg which wasn't de-regulation at all.

[slysci5]

@ferrozm heres the flaw in the logic for this particular case , the average consumer has no idea what he needs or does not need, to separate necessary from fluff... there have been studies showing the amount spent on healthcare dos not correlate to better health care

[ferrozm]

thats due to the govt mandates on insurance and the incentive on the doctors part to do a bunch of unnecessary tests due to the third party nature of the insurance industry. Consumers have no incentive to shop around for better prices so no incentive to lower costs. Profits nowadays don't translate to a better product and service due to govt intervention in the industry.

[phfrankh]

Many of the cancer centres & Hospitals resemble, Shopping Malls instead of sanctuaries of convalescents for healing.

[dukehey2]

I love Fora!

[AtheistKharm]

This is complete and utter bullshit. conspiracy theory on an epic scale. Who gave this idiot microphone...

[intrascoobz]

the same energy that gave you your typing ability, right? The complete and utter bullshit, however, is in the tennis match of who says this or who says that. The best approach, is informing oneself. In this way, amidst mainstream news, any independent research, & from our own experiencing as well as our earlier generations experiencing, we can then discern on our own. You know, to not accept on a massive scale of what is news Edward Bernays style! These are times of information stations! :)

[AtheistKharm]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I side with the opinions of doctors and science based medicine. Maybe you should do some research and see what real doctors think about big pharma conspiracy.

[intrascoobz]

The sciences is the place to be investigating! That scaling system seems to be the glue to the mysteries of these illogical controllers! Old belief systems once harshly imposed centuries earlier thru outright murders. It's called war & war on the mind along side that! But as we can unlock the code by the balancing of self? Love. A conspiracy word no longer exists. A scaling method & previous theories accept the loss of 98.% energy? Key to structure of vacuum is key! I question back patters?

[craneywatch]

@intrascoobz Sorry to say, but sometimes I feel that some heads of healthcare need to be executed unless they start thinking about people's lives but not their own profit. Let's face it - they are the greatest murderers. To be honest I wish no one to be executed, but if are the doctor and make money upon the grave of your patients... Sorry for being such brutally honest, but the brother of my friend passed away because of the doctor's lousy work. It still hurts to recall that:(::

[craneywatch]

Sorry to say, but sometimes I feel that some heads of healthcare need to be executed unless they start thinking about people's lives but not their own profit. Let's face it - they are the greatest murderers. To be honest I wish no one to be executed, but if are the doctors make money upon the grave of your patients... Sorry for being such brutally honest, but the brother of my friend passed away because of the doctor's lousy work. It still hurts to recall that:(::

[eirefrance]

Shocking!!! A physician at Stanford University Hopsital claims to know more about the health care industry than you? How dare he!

[OhNoItsGojira]

Capitalism ruins humanity. Just look at the healthcare industry as a prime example.

[JETZcorp]

If you think the US healthcare industry is running on a capitalist system, there's some work that needs doing. 50% of our healthcare system is funded by the government. Within a few decades, the amount of taxes we pay now will only cover medicare, medicaid, and social security as these programs rack up government debt. The US is paying a higher percentage of it's government spending on healthcare than Canada is.

If that's capitalism, then Soviet Russia was an anarchy.

[666norton420]

you're forgetting that the US spends most of it's money on paying interest on their dept and bombs.

everything else is just pennies.

;d

[JETZcorp]

A lot of the debt has come from the healthcare system we have. It works in the same way as social security, which is described below.

watch?v=oh-NqdmEDq4

[666norton420]

dear fsm.... you're right.

wow.... that IS a fucked up system!

;d

[craneywatch]

@666norton420 yes .... system.

[greenboy215]

land of the free was long ago now LAND OF THE TAXES. A couple of stars have died because of prescribed drugs.

[menonthemovemovie]

Thank you. Your insight is direct and straight. The logic speaks the truth and you don't have to be a medical professional to find the truth in your statements. Exercise, healthy foods and being a non smoker and avoiding alcohol will give most people a long healthy life.

[BearWa11ace]

Greed has... in the form of profets... ruined this country... they don't give a shit about the lil guy...what's more... they want all of us dead.

[OhNoItsGojira]

@BearWa11ace I think a better way to say it is that they don't mind if we die, but want us alive for a little bit to give them all more of our money.

[Lazzzyeye]

"want us alive for a little bit to give them all more of our money"

While the patient, on the other hand, actually wants to die while hanging on to his/her money?

What the fuck are you talking about? These companies supply the service that is in demand, namely *keeping people alive*. The patient pays for this out of their own free will. Who the fuck are you to tell anyone that this transaction cannot occur? There's no conspiracy here. No evil.

[OhNoItsGojira]

@Lazzzyeye I wasn't talking about the "health care industry" specifically, but if you want me to address it, then I gladly will. The US system of patient care is completely backwards, as Walter states in this video. Were you paying attention? The system has been slowly designed to treat patients' problems, not prevent them from happening - which it could easily be transformed to do. Disallowing preventative measures to take place due to monetary greed could very well be characterized as evil.

[Lazzzyeye]

"Disallowing preventative measures" - What? No one is stopping prevention due to greed. Give me one example.

The health -care- system does exactly what it says; caring for those who are of ill health. Those who are healthy are none of their concern. They have nothing to do with their profits. You can't seriously be blaming 'medical illiteracy' on big pharma.

I have a better saying: economic illiteracy accounts for most of the stupid but well meaning Youtube comments around. You're a fine example

[OhNoItsGojira]

You are completely ignorant to the sad economics of our times if you think that big pharma and all the insurance companies and lobbyist groups aren't contributing to and affecting the medical illiteracy of the US population. Through relentless TV advertising alone they have completely bastardized the doctor-patient role for society. They don't want doctors to consult with you about your health in relation to Condition X, they'd rather design a pill then have you go to the doctor and ask for it.

[Lazzzyeye]

"They want all of us dead"

Is that a fact?

[doctender77]

The healthcare industry is designed absolutely backwards. It treats problems, often after it is too late, rather than promoting prevention. We have a food system that promotes ease and low costs over nutrition. We have an entertainment industry that promotes a sedentary lifestyle rather that activity and engagement. America is killing itself with our cheap disposable inactive choices. Its not profits. Its us.

[Lazzzyeye]

Health care companies aren't responsible for people not understanding how to live a healthy life style.

'America is killing itself'

Yes, *Americans* are killing THEMSELVES with their choices. It's individuals who are at fault. Don't scapegoat the healthcare industry.

[sweettina2]

The BANKERS have corrupted this country, along with corporations, oil companies....lets call them by name. They want you to think that the people are to blame, this or that!  This is nothing new. The NWO agenda has destroyed this country, this world by DESIGN!!!

[666norton420]

i only design i see is that your electorate is mostly made of morons dumber than my boot.

;d

[OriMeissa]

That's a rhetorical question, right?

[artformeandyou]

Have Profits Corrupted US Healthcare? No.

Has corporations corrupted America? Yes.

Don't get the two confused.

[lianghaochen]

enjoy ur HMO

[VolcanicPenguin]

@artformeandyou

So what is the difference exactly? Wouldn't you say that corporations are just the symptom of big profits?

[artformeandyou]

@VolcanicPenguin

Listen to this youtube(dot)com clip /watch?v=NmdXrAjodps

Dr. Paul does a good job explaining why it's corporations that are corrupting America and NOT capitalism. Corporatisim is a separate entity than pure capitalism, because a corporation gets to break the rules no one else can. Making the game not fair. And it's the governments fault.

[VolcanicPenguin]

I don't see the difference between Capitalism and Corporatism. In a Capitalistic system, the government will ALWAYS be run by big business, so how could you ever have a "free-market-capitalistic" society.

The only difference I see is that corporatism is the reality and free-market-capitalism is a fantasy that could never exist.

[artformeandyou]

You bring up an interesting point. "Corporatisim" is different than Capitalism because Corporations destroy and obstruct a Free Market society by using and manipulating the government through insane lobbying. An example of this would be Clarence Thomas working as a lawyer for Monsanto before becoming a corrupt "Associate Justice of the Supreme Court". It was Thomas whom allowed Monsanto to patent DNA of seeds and then sue farmers for Monsanto's 'patented' seeds getting into farmer's farm.

[repentandbesaved7]

@artformeandyou the love of money is the root of all evil,so the love of profits corrupts, so its BOTH!

[magog1138]

he moves towards the mic to breathe in, the opposite of tay zonday.

[paganiniGOGO]

You didn't live long enough to post a 't' but long enough to post twenty periods?

Or did someone notice you were dead type the ellipses for you?

Or did your fingers collapse on the periods as you were dying and you still somehow managed to press "post comment"?

I'm sorry but something doesn't add up.

[terrence0258]

Does anyone find it ironic that he says the reason our medical system is corrupt is because of the money and then as a professor of medicine he says that more money should be poured into his profession. I don't disagree as much as I find it funny.

[666norton420]

it's only ironic if you don't understand the differences, but instead just focus on the fact that he said the word money twice.

;d

[terrence0258]

Really.

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