Islamic Radicals Debate: Q & A, part 1 (8 of 15)

[NaturalBornHedonist]

Without the brilliant Douglas Murray it is just not the same.!!!!

[aadammahdi]

difference between RELIGIOUS PERSON and ATHEIST.."A child doesnt want proof for his father in a good moral family, while a child in an immoral family always asks a DNA test."

[buxtehudeable]

@aadammahdi So i guess by that you mean that all religius children wants to take a DNA test

[aadammahdi]

@buxtehudeable really you are like william shakespeare.

[buxtehudeable]

@aadammahdi Thank you very much, i did sense some irony here but still it made may day.

[TheOnlineSheikh]

That is a lie. There is not an increase in radicalism in Bangladesh. What a load of nonsense. The first guy defeated the motion by admiting most Muslims are not radical.

[saidkarimi]

the quality of the panel is poor!!! it is a shame!!!

[iMaDeMoN2012]

Aslan is always making excuses for violence by Muslims claiming the dividing reason for this violent is an ethnic war not religious. Never will Aslan concede that a religious divide contributed any ratio of culpability to the intentions of Muslims that sought to commit violence. I wish I were exaggerating but I'm not.

[hayman4548213]

in the late 20th century, the French annexed Algeria and disenfranchised the indigenous Muslims population by refusing them citizenship in their own land, At the same time the french systematically removed them from their lands and colonized them with French. When Algerians in the 50's and 60's resisted over one million civilians were killed by french troops. It was so despicable that the french generals could not but notice the irony they themselves were in 10 years earlier.

[Zeno1999]

@hayman4548213 : We are out of evils of colonialism and looking forward to have a world where every child grows to develop their full potential- regardless of race and creed.

Past must not be brought in here; Islam need to throw away those verses of 7th century and evolve like Catholics and Christians. This way a world of peace and harmony could be realized.

[hayman4548213]

@Zeno1999 When you say we are out of the evils of colonialism what does that mean? Most states with Muslim populations are either under sanctions demonized or Isolated. Seriously, and do you really expect people to forget a past not 30 years old. You must think people are goldfish. People will hate people have a right to be angry as well they should. Look around Arab land are being colonized by Israel and America and Europe look the other way. This is about west coming to grips with its demons.

[Zeno1999]

@hayman4548213 : Anger is OK; we human do best when we act in the present- it's gift from the God.

Jews in Israel deserve to have their land back; those Muslim Palestinians could easily be settled in any of 50 Muslim countries. Why fight over small piece of land ! Let Palestinian brothers settle where they wish, even near Mecca, Allah would be happy.

God and demon exist in our heart; humans suppose to live in peace and harmony by choosing to be like God, not demon.

[hayman4548213]

@Zeno1999 It is not Jewish land and it was never Israel's land. by the way those "Muslims" are Palestinians. They were born in that land and their fathers and their fathers fathers, all the way back to the beginning. Palestinians are people just like Jews are people and they have every right to live in their land. God tells those who are oppressed to fight when they are attacked, this is a fundamental human right and Palestinians will continue to fight because it is incumbent upon them.

[Zeno1999]

@hayman4548213 : So our discussion stops right here. Who owns this land ? Muslims took it after 800AD and prior to that it was holy land of Christians and Jewish people whom Muslims call Dhimmis.

Palestinian were Christians, Jewish or pagans(there is also enough evidence that Kaaba was Hindu angel Shiva's temple so India should invade it, why not ?). Now you can see how many coward ancestors Palestinians got converted under Mohammad's 'convert or die' policy. Palestinians should save their a$s.

[hayman4548213]

@Zeno1999 Most of what your saying is nonsense. Your so self deluded and insane that you make up nonsensical arguments about the past. The point is this, Israel is an apartheid state which Christopher Hitchens says should not exist. The Israelis are insane and all the Jews there are insane. The country is full of nut bags like yourself.

Israel is a nation full of Murderers who are willing to justify it with any argument. The sooner you come to that conclusion the better it will be for you.

[Zeno1999]

@hayman4548213< If what I say doesn't make sense to you that's fine.

Your anti-Israel sentiments make you either a Nazi or ignorant liberal or a Muslim. Israel is surrounded by nut bags; if they do act insane once in a while, it's a good thing.Christopher Hitchens is intelligent enough to know what I'm saying. Many liberal Jews like him go too far to deny the perils Israelis face everyday.

[hayman4548213]

@Zeno1999 Do you know how stupid you sound. I am serous! you sound like a nut job retard.

Israel faces perils yet it is the one that stole the land from the indigenous people.

Israel faces perils yet it is the only state in the Middle East that posses nuclear weapons.

Israel faces perils yet it is the one that starts wars with its neighbors.

Israel is in peril yet for every Jewish solder that is killed Israel kills 2000 Palestinian civilians.

Israel is a blood thirsty monster

[Zeno1999]

@hayman4548213 : Why don't you move to Gaza and work for Hamas or go to Lebanon and be buddy with Hezbollah cowards who killed or force exile of Christians. It will give chance to fight Israelis too.

Brave man like should slay a monster or two.

[hayman4548213]

@Zeno1999 I am American, I love America and i want to do what is good for America and the world. This is my land and these are my people! You however are a coward with no sole. The funny thing here is that you know Israel is evil yet you defend this monstrosity called a state. Join humanity you lunatic and leave that tribe of pedophile Rabbi's and child rapists. I do not need to be Brave enough to slay a nation full of cowards, you will do it to your selves.

[Zeno1999]

@hayman4548213< Then learn that, federal reserve in the hand of inter-alpha banks since 1913 is the real problem followed by Islamo-fascism for USA today. While your ancestors ignored how these external forces are dumbing down US citizens and done nothing. Never too late, it's time to change it.

Criminals exist on every level of any culture regardless of race or creed. Your prejudice toward common Israeli is your own ignorance. We Cdn. support USA and its constitution. Live, learn and grow !

[hayman4548213]

@Zeno1999 Your a conspiracy theorist and you're trying to divert away from the subject. Israel is committing genocide everyday and you have the audacity to say every culture commits crimes on the same level. Your such a hypocrite! If i were to say the Nazis and the Jews have acted criminally on the same level you would have an orgasm. Appropriate since your two war like cultures fit so well together. However cultures do not commit the same crimes, those like Israel are more culpable than most

[hayman4548213]

@Zeno1999 If you care about children then maybe you should look around the world and see what is being done to children. If you want to educate someone you should start with yourself. Then you need to start apologizing for the things that are being done in your name. And maybe then, when you come to the realization that the principles you espouse from your tong reflect what your hands are doing, you might have something worth listening to.

[Zeno1999]

@hayman4548213 ; THIS ONLY REFLECT HOW IRRESPONSIBLE WE ARE AS ADULT. Instead of arguing over religion, we should be looking after children and nature.

I wish all the troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan were beautifying this earth by planting more trees and inventing pollution free energy technology. Every time a bomb blasts, we break heart of mother earth and kill many microorganisms. We humans need to be more like Christ, Confucius, Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, Buddha and Guru Nanak-all love !

[hayman4548213]

@Zeno1999 It is a good thing America is in Iraq and Afghanistan. These people need democracy. For every evil their is a good and for every good their is twice as much benefit. I hope you do not believe in a state exclusive to Jews alone, that would be disgusting, there is no nation like that on the planet.

[Zeno1999]

@hayman4548213 : Jewish nation had high civilization at one time like Persian, Hindus, Chinese, Mayans etc who could trace their history to the times prior to what academics considered "written history."

Israel should be purely Jewish country. Palestinians could immigrate to any of 50 Muslim countries. And problem in the Middle East solved instantly ! Thing is, Muslims love fighting non-Muslims and they may continue, unfortunately, it's their duty to do so.

[fernandatralala]

I agree that is important to recognize and reinforce the majority that is not radical as a way to make it grow and spread a civilized attitude, but what to do with the minority, that even being minority is a lot and it's very harmful? Can not pretend they are not there. Can not minimize them. Can not pretend they are not moved by religion. Anyway, to debate about is healthy.

[countertreason]

Ohhhh. Well, if Chinese people own the churches, then it is OK. "But I mean to argue that it is because they are Chinese and not because they are churches." OK, again, so if you hate Chinese people, go destroy their shit. What a fucking great attitude. Only a Muslim could sympathise with such a stupid attitude. I don't get it, I don't get how people aren't ashamed of themselves for saying such stupid fucking ridiculous bullshit.

OH! Edina starts criticizing the west! Just like radicals!

[OzCrusader007]

It's the wrong question.  "Islam"....dominated by radicals ? The question should be "Is the Muslim world dominated by true Muslims" The answer at this point is.. "no" but the true Muslims are trying very hard to change that....in complete harmony with Surah 9:29

[QuiteNot]

To be a Muslim you must have these values, you agree:

-That homosexuals/lesbians should be killed.

-That people should be killed for leaving their religion.

-That non-Muslims should have less rights than Muslims.

-That Islam is better than all other political systems.

Islam is clearly a fascist ideology, that believes openly in discrimination, disaproves of human rights and clearly has a superiorty complex.

[QuiteNot]

The debate should be, Is Islam fascism dressed as religion ? But no one can say that Muslims would be offended. Fuck them !!! Be offended !

[hayman4548213]

@QuiteNot are you comparing secular nationalistic movement in Nazi Germany and Italy in 1940 with Islam? Are you stupid? what the hell allows you to make such a ridiculous comparison , Muslim kill homosexual? There were homosexuals in 12th century in Iraq who homosexuals and famous and they were never killed. A retard can go on to wikipedia and find that there were Muslims and atheists who criticized Islam and religion during Muslim rule and they were never killed. Grow up you ignorant fuck

[QuiteNot]

@hayman4548213 That may be the case for those Muslims.....but the point is that all Muslims must agree to these values to become a Muslim. This is Shariah law.

Islam is despicable.

[BubbaGump332]

This debate is BS. The two sides are arguing 2 different things; whether Islam is dominated by radicals in the population or whether Islam is dominated by radicals in its leadership.

[halneufmille]

Agree, but that does not make it boring. The interest lies in the nuances.

[AYEMAQ]

loolz what is islamist its muslims thats it nothing less nothing more .

[theforeigner85]

An Islamist seeks to establish a social and political order based on Shari'a law, where Islam dominates all spheres of life.

[AYEMAQ]

that means every one is islamist

so what is the same word for christianity

christianists lolz hah

[theforeigner85]

Muslims who want secular government are not Islamists.

[AYEMAQ]

islam is not only a religion its a way of life

and any one who pick and chose is not a good muslim .

so when we talk muslims then those who wanna be ruled by it .

u cant be christian and not believe in jesus pbh

[theforeigner85]

Having a secular government does not keep you from believing in the tenants of Islam, it just keeps you from imposing it on religious minorities, and other Muslims.

[AYEMAQ]

it seems like u have no clue what sharia law is do u

the sharia law does not impose islam on other ppl

maybe u should get ur facts straight .

and u can not chose any other law beside the law of Allah .

and if u do how could u tell urslf ur a muslim .

i dont know if u are not but it does not matter.

[theforeigner85]

For instance, if Islam says, don't commit adultery, don't commit adultery... you're following the Sharia'a, but if a Muslim commits adultery and they're sentenced to death, then Sharia'a is being imposed on them. Got it?

Following the Sharia'a is different from imposing it by force.

[AYEMAQ]

sharia is a sets of laws

just like we have laws in every country

so in canada whomever has written that law its being imposed on me and u lolz how is he better from me 2 write a law for me or u?

but muslims we believe that the only should be the sharia and it should be the law of any country where they say they are muslims simple as that .

any one who dont agree with that simply goes against the islam against the word of Allah

[theforeigner85]

Our lawmakers are elected. Candidates usually run on a detailed platform that outlines what laws they want to change or make.

As I was saying in some Islamic countries, non-Muslims have limited political rights, for instance they are completely barred from leadership in every country that identifies itself as an "Islamic state". This is how religious laws are imposed upon religious minorities. Also, Muslims cannot change their religion without facing imprisonement or execution.

[AYEMAQ]

so what if those law makers are elected still its man made law that does not make it perfect and still it has holes it well never be perfect lets face it.

and about the Islamic country well we dont realy have any Islamic country N 2days world not even the saudi

but if u realy wanna know about Islamic state then the ottoman empire is a good start 4 u then u well know who the non muslims are treated in the Islamic state.

[theforeigner85]

Don't assume i'm ignorant about Islamic history.

The Ottoman empire was a slave state. They used to rob non-Muslim parents of their children, to enslave and convert them to Islam to fight in the Sultan's armies, they were called Janissaries.

The Ottoman Empire slaughtered 80 000 Greeks on the island of Chios, that's 40 000 more than Crusaders killed when they captured Jerusalem...

You shouldn't romanticize the treatment of non-Muslims under Islamic states, you'll be embarassed by reality.

[AYEMAQ]

no ur not ignorant ur just misinformed thats all

thats ok it happens .

and i was just telling u the reality but the way i see it the world is playing and demonizing the muslims and islam even educated ones like are being the victomes of it so its clear that they are wining .

but what u know and what happend totally different thing its up 2 u which one u take .

and plz dont bring crusades cuz u have no clue wht it is realy

[GraceofGod758]

Islamist. Good word.

[asratube]

lol. the wannna sound sophisticated.