My major brother made me listen this album since I was a child. For me is the best Paul's album. But I don't deal why never to interpreted a song of it in concert. Regards to all from Barcelona.
@huston3: You dont have any 'evidence'. You have a bloke who has written a book about language. The 'expert' view was that the world was flat once !. I said 'forget it' because its unresolvable, which is why arguing on YT is pointless. You work for a company in London for 5 years ? So what ?, I worked in London for 30 years and my mum WAS a cockney. Work within the sound of Bow Bells did you ? (I very much doubt it). I go with what the MAN who wrote it said. You think he's a liar. Unresolvable
@ipolson Finally, don't let the fact that I've been working for the past five years for a London resident (yes, with the eight-hour time difference--ah, technology is a wonder, ain't it?) dissuade you from your belief that I know NOTHING of England. .
As I've often chided my son, "When we KNOW everything; we can't LEARN anything."
@ipolson My life proceeds apace, feel free not to read any of my postings. One of the problems with this country is how fast everyone is ready to ignore any evidence that might contradict their delicately developed mythology that lets them fall for stupid commercials like the guy pushing grandma off the cliff, (when the Democratic plan it to drive the off the cliff en masse when they reach grandma's age...and younger. Denial is easy, particularly when facts get in the way. Keep your BELIEF.
@huston3: Do not judge people you do not know. To do so is to be a 'sheep' and blindly do what so many on YT do. A contradiction of what you are implying in your previous post. You do not know me, so you cannot judge me. We have opinions, that is all. You base yours on interpretation, I don't. Both are right, both are wrong. Thats the beauty of opinion.
@ipolson I have a in-law who sometimes talks out of his ass. One day he declared (after losing yet another discussion, based on facts) "Well, you have your opinion, and I have my opinion, and we both have the right to our own opinions..:. My 8-year-old son, asked. "But Dad, hie opinion wasn't BASED on anything." I smiiled, with parently pride, that my son understood that an unshakable opinion based on nothing is just that. If people won't do homework, not all opinions are equal.
@ipolson I did not at any time express an opinion on whether Paul wrote that lyric MEANING Yid; only that it was withtin his skill set to have done it, to his advantage when asked about it by a reporter not to admit it, and offered my opinion that if that WAS his intenntion, it was an excellent lyric. The rest of this craziness was simply responding to you and your attacks.
@ipolson The simple face it: you said, and I quote "Dustbin lid is NOT an ethnic slur," and it definitely IS. I didin't claim Macca MEANT it that way, but presented with evidence it was, you proceeded to claim he COULDN'T have meant it that way because he wouldn't know anything about Cockney. You seem to obtain your beliefs from your observations, but you don't care to have them challenged, and will go out of your way to deny things that disprove your mythology, no matter their source & validity
Paul could not convince them to have Eastman (Linda's dad), handle their money; at the time Paul and John were each worth between $200 mil and $300 mil, so the answer was simple for Paul--no more Beatles output, thwarting Klein. So it's hardly beyond the pale to imagine that this line was a Cockney slur that no one got, and he'd much rather have us consider it a poorly written line than what it actually might be. Thass all I'm saying. I'm enjoying myself & found stripped versions...wow.
With a Jewish wife and child, I'm not looking to accuse Paul of anti-Semitism, but plenty of people who don't consider themselves snti-Semites routinely use terms like "Jewing down" when there's no Jew in the room, and Allan Klein represented a money-grubbing part of the business (his contract said he would own all future rieghts to the Beatles output, much in the way that Dick James Music owned all the early Elton John output and Michael Jackson/Sony wound up owning the early Beatles output).
Like I said, the only reason I got involved at all is I've just started going through You Tube recovering some of the songs of my past, and a lot of early Macca, some of which I rejected or found fault with in the day, sounds quite sueet when I hear it now. So when I read discussion that the lyric was weak, I started looking for reasons why he might have used "dustbin lid" after I thought about my own interpretation.
@huston3 --Can you please clear something up for me???? I do not fully understand the Macca referral to Paul. Everytime is see it or reference to it, I always wonder what the heck that is all about. You seem to be into the Beatles history and I am a baby boomer but seemed to have missed this part of their history. Thanks. Peace
@caroline0747 Without looking it up, I couldn't have told you. I took it to be the result of journalistic shorthand, my guess would have been a Rolling Stone article or something like that, where you can save quite a bit of space referring to "McCartney" as Macca; apparently its a common British reference to anyone whose name begins with Mc or Mac....
tIt was easy enough to see, even in the ediits in Let It Be that John's decison to have Yoko in the studio during recording, marked the start of the end. Even while singing "Two of Us,," John sits away from Paul, with Yoko practically sitting on his spleen. But jerking around in rehearsal, there's a version where John & Paul are both at one mike, having fun, and Yoko is standing like a preying mantis, clearly uncomfortable with John that close to Paul (and therefore, not close to HER)
I used to love busking "the other me" in the mid 80's in my local town. A great song to play on guitar in E major. I would substiute the awful line "Dustbin lid" for "Silly Kid"
I am a big Beatles and Paul fan since 1963 but this is not one of Paul's better moments. Lyrics like 'I acted like a dustbin lid' are embarrassing, as is the 'Mungo Jerry' shuffle towards the end. Both would have been chucked out in The Beatles. 'Pipes of Peace' lacks quality control and, with McCartney II, is his weakest album.
@ipolson I see what you mean, I had this thought process for a very long time, but I like to think past the lyrics and think of the melodic genius of it all. Paul was never the worlds greatest lyricist but what he lacked there he certainly made up for in melody.
@legofreak101: I agree with you. That was the magic of Lennon-McCartney as a songwriting partnership, it was all perfect ! John too suffered, I mean, albums like 'Mind Games' are not really very good. That was why their songs shook the world, because they were written by that 'team' . Its interesting that when Paul does write with someone, the lyrics become much better 'My Brave Face' being a good example.
@ipolson This, of course is why Paul McCartney is a billionaire writing such "drivel," and you---I'm sorry, what do you do again?
Your argument seems to be if it doesn't mean anything to you, it's bad lyric. But let me tell you what I got from it, and what someone who's really studied the language suggest the meaning might be.
@huston3: Money has nothing to do with it. David Beckham's a multi-millionaire has has never written a song !Look, we all have opinions. I was there when The Beatles happened. As for George's comments in 'I Me Mine' , much of that book was written during the 'hate' period, when they were all slagging each other. Much of what he says was retracted in the book version of 'The Anthology'.
@ipolson I completely defer to any expert on the Beatles, or anyone who "was there when the Beatles happened" (as someone quickly approaching his 59th birthday, I'd suggest I wasn't too far away when The Beatles happened, either). If money had NOTHING to do with it, what was Allen Klein's role in all this? I don't know how you break up a 7-year marriage without money being a significant part of it (particularly when two-fourths of the band weren't the primary songwriters.. But I wasn't there...
@huston3: The Beatles broke up because John Lennon met Yoko Ono. Simple as that. From that moment, John started to withdraw his creative input from the band. Both George and Paul make it obvious in 'The Anthology' that this was the reason. If you want real confirmation, read 'The Beatles Get Back Sessions'. These are the transcripts from over 30 hours of tape during the 'Let it Be' sessions. All the 'behind backs' discussions are there on those tapes.
@huston3: Finally....The Beatles did write about 'ethnic matters' (relating to Britain). There is 'Commonwealth' and the original lyrics to 'Get Back'. I have most of their bootleg stuff, including 4 hours of footage from 'Let it Be'
@ipolson BTW: I have no idea at all to what you are referring to with na Beckham reference. As far as the "retraction" of things said during the "hate" perioid, a beginner's primer on the investigation of forensic evidence tells you that contemporaneous notes often don't look like the final notes handed in as evidence, particulaly when the desire to make something look good is a purpose. I'll believe what was written at the time over 25 years laater, with Lennon in the ground for 15 years.
@ipolson BTW: I have no idea at all to what you are referring to with the Beckham reference. As far as the "retraction" of things said during the "hate" period, a beginner's primer on the investigation of evidence would tell you that contemporaneous notes reveal the truth more often the final notes handed in as evidence, particularly when the desire to make something look good is a purpose. I'll believe what was written at the time over 25 years later, with Lennon in the ground for 15 years.
@huston3: I was making the point that being a 'billionaire' does not imply that you are a great composer. Many of the great composers in history died penniless, or at least poor. Dont get me wrong , Macca was/is a great composer, but the real magic happened due to the unique combination between Paul and John. The quality control they worked out between themselves (all 3 of them) was just not there on any of their solo albums, although there are still some good songs
@huston3: As for what I do, I have run businesses for over 20 years and I play guitars and keyboards (and 'no' I have never wanted to 'make it' as a musician before you comment on that, although my father was a profesional musician). I probably know more about The Beatles than you will ever know. I meaning of the lyric is not the point I made, it just doesnt sound good, an opinion held by many. Even Paul himself admitted to Nicky Horne that it was weak.
@ipolson: And finallly, those 'meanings' you put on it are fact right ? You have Paul stating that right ?
Which interview / book please ? With respect, I am not going to take language lessons from someone from a country that cannot spell 'colour' and is the only nation on earth who thinks that golf balls have some sort of organic property and hearing system, when they shout 'Get in the hole' everytime a golfer takes a drive off the tee.
@ipolson As for the authors, Keith Allan, born in London, earned his BA((Hons) in linguistics @ the University of Leeds, 1964 & completed his MLttt @ the University of Edinburgh, & was a lecturer at the Univeristy of Essex. His co-author earned her PhD in 1983 at the University of London, & taught at Polytechnic of Central London. So I would guess they possess the bona fides between them to assuage your concerns about their ability to understand the mother tongue. Slang often has many meanings.
@ipolson I think Paul's admission was an easy way of defusing an ethnic slur that no one at the time (and apparently now) understood. But as you say, it's nothing more than my opinion, backed by a study on Cockney slang with which Paul would have been quite familiar, I apologize for allowing my heat to enter my defense of my favorite Beatle (as one who suffered through & defended some weak Wings stuff that I have since come to appreciate upon relistening.(Plus, despite it all, I like the lyric.)
@huston3: 'Dustbin lid' is NOT an ethnic slur. 'Hows your dusbin lid ?' = 'Kid'. Why would McCartney have been familiar with cockney ? The part of London he lived in was very posh and exclusive, so he would not have come across it there. Also, as far as I know, he never associated with anyone who was cockney. Its odd because 'I acted like a little kid' sounds better to me , but he said 'I decided to use the cockney slang for kid instead', so someone must have told him.
@ipolson YOU may not see it as a ethnic slur, but the truth is, IT IS..It's documented, by serious scholars.You want to argue that there's an innocent meaning of the phrase. I don't disagree w/you. "The part of London he lived in was very posh and exclusive," Uh, he was born in Liverpool--a port city, where one would meet people from all of England. see.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/micky_mouse. Cockney slang's \ not unknown to the Scouse. You wanna argue he didn't mean yid, fine, maybe.
@huston3: There is no point in arguing with you any further after your comment that people from Liverpool would be familiar to cockney slang. That is soooooo funny. You obviously know nothing about England. And people DIDNT meet people from 'all over England' in those days. Hardly any working class people from London had cars or means to travel North. I will leave you to your imaginary world of Britain early 60's, which I actually lived in !. (plus my mother was a cockney). End
@ipolson There is nothing funnier than watching someone argue from CERTAINTY, something of which he could never be certain. Hunter Davies on George Harrison: "My menory of George will always be of how he would take things so seriously, like reincarnation, going on and on, but then suddenly stop and mock himself, or break into a funny voice as he did when I was with him iat his Esher home, piking up the phone to say, in broad cockney, "Esher Wine Store." You're right, no point "arguing."
@ipolson .Since I'm not declaring he definitely did "yid," with "dustbin lid," but merely offered it as something you might not have considered when you dismised it as a lame lyric, and your tack ever since has been to suggest that there's no possible way he could have meant it that way (thereby supporting your lame lyric dismissal of one of the world's great songwriters), all I need do is find reasonable doubt that Paul would have no knowledge of Cockney. I think Macca'd been to London by '82.
@huston3: Right, so someone writes an 'urban dictionary' and this is the definative cockney 'bible'. Utter nonsense. But if you believe it, fine. I will go with the explanation as supplied by the MAN WHO WROTE THE FUCKING SONG !
@ipolson Try the phrase "like flies around sh*t." Then Anglicize it to "like flies around a dustbin lid." In other words, he was saying he'd treated George on occasion, like garbage.
Read "Forbidden Words: Taboo and the Censoring of Language," where the author suggests "dustbin lid" is a Cockney slur for Jew (such as "kike" or "yid"). Which makes even more sense, as the final degeneration of the Beatles seemed at the time to be about little more than money (see George's I Me Mine)."
@huston3: Oh, and by the way, 'dustbin lid' is cockney slang for 'little kid', not as you state. It is not used much these days but where my mother came from in London, it was used all the time. I seem to recall McCartney confirmed this in the interview with Nicky Horne when the album came out.
@ipolson I read the rhyming dictonary/cockney slang for little kid, but looked for other meanings that a Cockney might have for the word, which is how I came across the book. Again, as a musician, does a song mean what you mean when you write it, or what it means to the person listening to ir? And like the revisionist history of GHarrison written only a couple of years before his cancer was diagnosed, what would Macca gain by admitting the spin I discovered to the words? I can't imagine any.
@ipolson I read the rhyming dictionary/cockney slang for little kid, but looked for other meanings that a Cockney might have for the word, which is how I came across the book. Again, as a musician, does a song mean what you mean when you write it, or what it means to the person listening to ir? And like the revisionist history of GHarrison written only a couple of years before his cancer was diagnosed, what would Macca gain by admitting the spin I discovered to the words? I can't imagine any.
@ipolson I read the rhyming dictionary/cockney slang for little kid, but looked for other meanings that a Cockney might have for the words, which is how I came across the book. Again, as a musician, does a song mean what you mean when you write it, or what it means to the person listening to ir? And like the revisionist history of GHarrison written only a couple of years before his cancer was diagnosed, what would Macca gain by admitting the spin I discovered to the words? I can't imagine any.
@huston3: I understand what you are saying and, as we know, for all our lives people have made their own interpretation of Beatles lyrics ('what did they REALLY mean ?'). To me its a pointless exercise. I have Paul on tape saying ' its interesting when you hear people's interpretations, but they are always wrong, because I know what was in my head when I wrote them'. Also, in John's last interview he (finally) discusses many Beatle songs. Personally, I prefer (clever) music to words anyway !
I heard somewhere that he wrote this for George. This is around the time he was trying to get them to write together. And around the same time he wrote 'This One' where he did that Indian/Meditation music video.
It would make sense, especially with lyrics like "I'd like to make a different mood, and if you let me try again, I'll have a better attitude. I know that one and one makes two, and that's what I want us to be."
I agree with plater: The words are very bad. I'm a Paul and Wings fan, but I think the words on this song are awful. ' I acted like a dustbin lid' etc. Obviously lines thought of just to rhyme and fit in. This would not have happened in the Beatles, because John would have vetoed anything embarrassing. My least favourite Macca album and a real comedown after 'Tug of War'.
Better than the crap that's out there now. I rahter listen to this than Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus & the rest of the garbage that's in Billboard Top 10, enough said.
Play the fool = John said that he was a guitar player but sometimes he Plays the fool.
If I hurted you = like on Lennon´s Jeallous guy...
There´s an other Paul that could live with John, but the real Paul could't live. And it´s because Paul said, he could have been it better, if he could has another chance.
Seriously, Paul and John weren't that obsessed with each other that every song they wrote had a hidden meaning about the other.
You could say this is about Paul's relationship with Jane Asher, for the most part it does describe that relationship, but then again we can all relate to it (having two sides to ourselves, one better than the other).
It's great. A contribution of Paul to the 80's magic. I have the Pipes of Peace LP sice high school in '84, but not the turntable. Thank you from Tláhuac, México.
the other me? oh,oh! another clue to Paul is dead! 2 Pauls! just kidding. Good tune, from 1983.
MultiJimmyb 1 week ago
I had this album Pipes of Peace
TizianoSorrisoBello 1 week ago
paul es argentino
Beraesgroso 2 months ago
which album?
nibsize 2 months ago
@nibsize Pipes of Peace
accordionreid 1 month ago
People give that album a hard time but I've always thought it was really enjoyable.
dirkbogarde44 3 months ago
Paul's dog Martha has been crudely edited out of the photo at 0:27
1FineYoungCannibal 4 months ago
@1FineYoungCannibal :( she was a cute sheepdog!
AlexAndArtemis 4 months ago
This song is lovely BUT I am glad the 1980s are over if you know what I mean :)
wojiaokatya 4 months ago
ah should not be a problem finding another you eh Paul? rrrrright
wojiaokatya 4 months ago
He mentions a lot of words that was on the Beatles song...
I think that He was thinking that something could happen by a different way to make him stay playing with John...
acepipe123 5 months ago
Beautiful,what can you say.He's got the Midas touch-Love it.
josh6228 5 months ago
Excelente canción !!!
Beraesgroso 5 months ago
ポール・マッカートニーさんの曲で一番好きです
心に沁みます
いいです
真心が伝わります！
0136ron 5 months ago 2
HOLY COW, THIS SONG IS GREAT! first time i heard it, it immediately one of my favourite songs by him! nice slideshow too :D
nibsize 6 months ago
la ultima serie de fotos es fantastica, desde que era un niño lindo hasta ahora que es un viejo lindo.
adriana72324 6 months ago
oh jesus... the photo at 3:35 it's just CUTE!
ccaarroolliinnee1000 6 months ago
hey great photographs!!! the other paul. ju.
pipaspaz 7 months ago
WTF!!!!!????? -.- ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Corvet123124 7 months ago
My major brother made me listen this album since I was a child. For me is the best Paul's album. But I don't deal why never to interpreted a song of it in concert. Regards to all from Barcelona.
clavix1974 8 months ago
Why is it that when we are shown to be wrong the argument changes to "forget it, it's not important."?
huston3 9 months ago
@huston3: You dont have any 'evidence'. You have a bloke who has written a book about language. The 'expert' view was that the world was flat once !. I said 'forget it' because its unresolvable, which is why arguing on YT is pointless. You work for a company in London for 5 years ? So what ?, I worked in London for 30 years and my mum WAS a cockney. Work within the sound of Bow Bells did you ? (I very much doubt it). I go with what the MAN who wrote it said. You think he's a liar. Unresolvable
ipolson 9 months ago
The third track on Pipes of Peace. I thought I was the only one in the world who liked this song.
cascadeist 9 months ago
@ipolson Finally, don't let the fact that I've been working for the past five years for a London resident (yes, with the eight-hour time difference--ah, technology is a wonder, ain't it?) dissuade you from your belief that I know NOTHING of England. .
As I've often chided my son, "When we KNOW everything; we can't LEARN anything."
huston3 9 months ago
@huston3: You are rambling....get on with your life. this really doesn't matter.
ipolson 9 months ago
@ipolson My life proceeds apace, feel free not to read any of my postings. One of the problems with this country is how fast everyone is ready to ignore any evidence that might contradict their delicately developed mythology that lets them fall for stupid commercials like the guy pushing grandma off the cliff, (when the Democratic plan it to drive the off the cliff en masse when they reach grandma's age...and younger. Denial is easy, particularly when facts get in the way. Keep your BELIEF.
huston3 9 months ago
@huston3: Do not judge people you do not know. To do so is to be a 'sheep' and blindly do what so many on YT do. A contradiction of what you are implying in your previous post. You do not know me, so you cannot judge me. We have opinions, that is all. You base yours on interpretation, I don't. Both are right, both are wrong. Thats the beauty of opinion.
ipolson 9 months ago
@ipolson I have a in-law who sometimes talks out of his ass. One day he declared (after losing yet another discussion, based on facts) "Well, you have your opinion, and I have my opinion, and we both have the right to our own opinions..:. My 8-year-old son, asked. "But Dad, hie opinion wasn't BASED on anything." I smiiled, with parently pride, that my son understood that an unshakable opinion based on nothing is just that. If people won't do homework, not all opinions are equal.
huston3 9 months ago
@ipolson I did not at any time express an opinion on whether Paul wrote that lyric MEANING Yid; only that it was withtin his skill set to have done it, to his advantage when asked about it by a reporter not to admit it, and offered my opinion that if that WAS his intenntion, it was an excellent lyric. The rest of this craziness was simply responding to you and your attacks.
huston3 9 months ago
@ipolson The simple face it: you said, and I quote "Dustbin lid is NOT an ethnic slur," and it definitely IS. I didin't claim Macca MEANT it that way, but presented with evidence it was, you proceeded to claim he COULDN'T have meant it that way because he wouldn't know anything about Cockney. You seem to obtain your beliefs from your observations, but you don't care to have them challenged, and will go out of your way to deny things that disprove your mythology, no matter their source & validity
huston3 9 months ago
Paul is so far above every other band/singer it's incredible!
TheNicholas0202 10 months ago
Paul could not convince them to have Eastman (Linda's dad), handle their money; at the time Paul and John were each worth between $200 mil and $300 mil, so the answer was simple for Paul--no more Beatles output, thwarting Klein. So it's hardly beyond the pale to imagine that this line was a Cockney slur that no one got, and he'd much rather have us consider it a poorly written line than what it actually might be. Thass all I'm saying. I'm enjoying myself & found stripped versions...wow.
huston3 10 months ago
With a Jewish wife and child, I'm not looking to accuse Paul of anti-Semitism, but plenty of people who don't consider themselves snti-Semites routinely use terms like "Jewing down" when there's no Jew in the room, and Allan Klein represented a money-grubbing part of the business (his contract said he would own all future rieghts to the Beatles output, much in the way that Dick James Music owned all the early Elton John output and Michael Jackson/Sony wound up owning the early Beatles output).
huston3 10 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=qI_N_5D5-f8
Like I said, the only reason I got involved at all is I've just started going through You Tube recovering some of the songs of my past, and a lot of early Macca, some of which I rejected or found fault with in the day, sounds quite sueet when I hear it now. So when I read discussion that the lyric was weak, I started looking for reasons why he might have used "dustbin lid" after I thought about my own interpretation.
huston3 10 months ago
@huston3 --Can you please clear something up for me???? I do not fully understand the Macca referral to Paul. Everytime is see it or reference to it, I always wonder what the heck that is all about. You seem to be into the Beatles history and I am a baby boomer but seemed to have missed this part of their history. Thanks. Peace
caroline0747 8 months ago
@caroline0747 Without looking it up, I couldn't have told you. I took it to be the result of journalistic shorthand, my guess would have been a Rolling Stone article or something like that, where you can save quite a bit of space referring to "McCartney" as Macca; apparently its a common British reference to anyone whose name begins with Mc or Mac....
huston3 8 months ago
tIt was easy enough to see, even in the ediits in Let It Be that John's decison to have Yoko in the studio during recording, marked the start of the end. Even while singing "Two of Us,," John sits away from Paul, with Yoko practically sitting on his spleen. But jerking around in rehearsal, there's a version where John & Paul are both at one mike, having fun, and Yoko is standing like a preying mantis, clearly uncomfortable with John that close to Paul (and therefore, not close to HER)
huston3 10 months ago
having problems posting; will try tomorrrow
huston3 10 months ago
having problems posting; will try tmorrrow
huston3 10 months ago
@davefgranger
Opens and closes? Takes trash? Oh Paulie, he is something else x)
AyashaYumi 10 months ago
Paul wrote the best music ever in music history, no doubt
ilythebeatles 11 months ago
hes sooo beautiful, inside and out!!! :D
rollingstonesgirl99 1 year ago
Awsome song! Wish I could see him perform it.
Novatogal 1 year ago
@molloyalloy: i'm not 100% positive, but "Dustbin Lid" maybe rhyming slang for 'Silly Kid' G.
gazzymodo 1 year ago
@molloyalloy: i'm not 100% positive, but "Dustbin Lid" maybe rhyming slang for 'Silly Kid' G.
gazzymodo 1 year ago
I used to love busking "the other me" in the mid 80's in my local town. A great song to play on guitar in E major. I would substiute the awful line "Dustbin lid" for "Silly Kid"
gazzymodo 1 year ago
@gazzymodo "Dutbin lid" is a good lyric.
"Silly kid" is much worse.
MOLLOYALLOY 1 year ago
I am a big Beatles and Paul fan since 1963 but this is not one of Paul's better moments. Lyrics like 'I acted like a dustbin lid' are embarrassing, as is the 'Mungo Jerry' shuffle towards the end. Both would have been chucked out in The Beatles. 'Pipes of Peace' lacks quality control and, with McCartney II, is his weakest album.
ipolson 1 year ago
@ipolson I see what you mean, I had this thought process for a very long time, but I like to think past the lyrics and think of the melodic genius of it all. Paul was never the worlds greatest lyricist but what he lacked there he certainly made up for in melody.
legofreak101 1 year ago
@legofreak101: I agree with you. That was the magic of Lennon-McCartney as a songwriting partnership, it was all perfect ! John too suffered, I mean, albums like 'Mind Games' are not really very good. That was why their songs shook the world, because they were written by that 'team' . Its interesting that when Paul does write with someone, the lyrics become much better 'My Brave Face' being a good example.
ipolson 1 year ago
@ipolson This, of course is why Paul McCartney is a billionaire writing such "drivel," and you---I'm sorry, what do you do again?
Your argument seems to be if it doesn't mean anything to you, it's bad lyric. But let me tell you what I got from it, and what someone who's really studied the language suggest the meaning might be.
huston3 10 months ago
@huston3: Money has nothing to do with it. David Beckham's a multi-millionaire has has never written a song !Look, we all have opinions. I was there when The Beatles happened. As for George's comments in 'I Me Mine' , much of that book was written during the 'hate' period, when they were all slagging each other. Much of what he says was retracted in the book version of 'The Anthology'.
ipolson 10 months ago
@ipolson I completely defer to any expert on the Beatles, or anyone who "was there when the Beatles happened" (as someone quickly approaching his 59th birthday, I'd suggest I wasn't too far away when The Beatles happened, either). If money had NOTHING to do with it, what was Allen Klein's role in all this? I don't know how you break up a 7-year marriage without money being a significant part of it (particularly when two-fourths of the band weren't the primary songwriters.. But I wasn't there...
huston3 10 months ago
@huston3: The Beatles broke up because John Lennon met Yoko Ono. Simple as that. From that moment, John started to withdraw his creative input from the band. Both George and Paul make it obvious in 'The Anthology' that this was the reason. If you want real confirmation, read 'The Beatles Get Back Sessions'. These are the transcripts from over 30 hours of tape during the 'Let it Be' sessions. All the 'behind backs' discussions are there on those tapes.
ipolson 10 months ago
@huston3: Finally....The Beatles did write about 'ethnic matters' (relating to Britain). There is 'Commonwealth' and the original lyrics to 'Get Back'. I have most of their bootleg stuff, including 4 hours of footage from 'Let it Be'
ipolson 10 months ago
@ipolson BTW: I have no idea at all to what you are referring to with na Beckham reference. As far as the "retraction" of things said during the "hate" perioid, a beginner's primer on the investigation of forensic evidence tells you that contemporaneous notes often don't look like the final notes handed in as evidence, particulaly when the desire to make something look good is a purpose. I'll believe what was written at the time over 25 years laater, with Lennon in the ground for 15 years.
huston3 10 months ago
@ipolson BTW: I have no idea at all to what you are referring to with the Beckham reference. As far as the "retraction" of things said during the "hate" period, a beginner's primer on the investigation of evidence would tell you that contemporaneous notes reveal the truth more often the final notes handed in as evidence, particularly when the desire to make something look good is a purpose. I'll believe what was written at the time over 25 years later, with Lennon in the ground for 15 years.
huston3 10 months ago
@huston3: I was making the point that being a 'billionaire' does not imply that you are a great composer. Many of the great composers in history died penniless, or at least poor. Dont get me wrong , Macca was/is a great composer, but the real magic happened due to the unique combination between Paul and John. The quality control they worked out between themselves (all 3 of them) was just not there on any of their solo albums, although there are still some good songs
ipolson 10 months ago
@huston3: As for what I do, I have run businesses for over 20 years and I play guitars and keyboards (and 'no' I have never wanted to 'make it' as a musician before you comment on that, although my father was a profesional musician). I probably know more about The Beatles than you will ever know. I meaning of the lyric is not the point I made, it just doesnt sound good, an opinion held by many. Even Paul himself admitted to Nicky Horne that it was weak.
ipolson 10 months ago
@ipolson: And finallly, those 'meanings' you put on it are fact right ? You have Paul stating that right ?
Which interview / book please ? With respect, I am not going to take language lessons from someone from a country that cannot spell 'colour' and is the only nation on earth who thinks that golf balls have some sort of organic property and hearing system, when they shout 'Get in the hole' everytime a golfer takes a drive off the tee.
ipolson 10 months ago
@ipolson As for the authors, Keith Allan, born in London, earned his BA((Hons) in linguistics @ the University of Leeds, 1964 & completed his MLttt @ the University of Edinburgh, & was a lecturer at the Univeristy of Essex. His co-author earned her PhD in 1983 at the University of London, & taught at Polytechnic of Central London. So I would guess they possess the bona fides between them to assuage your concerns about their ability to understand the mother tongue. Slang often has many meanings.
huston3 10 months ago
@ipolson I think Paul's admission was an easy way of defusing an ethnic slur that no one at the time (and apparently now) understood. But as you say, it's nothing more than my opinion, backed by a study on Cockney slang with which Paul would have been quite familiar, I apologize for allowing my heat to enter my defense of my favorite Beatle (as one who suffered through & defended some weak Wings stuff that I have since come to appreciate upon relistening.(Plus, despite it all, I like the lyric.)
huston3 10 months ago
@huston3: 'Dustbin lid' is NOT an ethnic slur. 'Hows your dusbin lid ?' = 'Kid'. Why would McCartney have been familiar with cockney ? The part of London he lived in was very posh and exclusive, so he would not have come across it there. Also, as far as I know, he never associated with anyone who was cockney. Its odd because 'I acted like a little kid' sounds better to me , but he said 'I decided to use the cockney slang for kid instead', so someone must have told him.
ipolson 10 months ago
@ipolson YOU may not see it as a ethnic slur, but the truth is, IT IS..It's documented, by serious scholars.You want to argue that there's an innocent meaning of the phrase. I don't disagree w/you. "The part of London he lived in was very posh and exclusive," Uh, he was born in Liverpool--a port city, where one would meet people from all of England. see.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/micky_mouse. Cockney slang's \ not unknown to the Scouse. You wanna argue he didn't mean yid, fine, maybe.
huston3 10 months ago
@huston3: There is no point in arguing with you any further after your comment that people from Liverpool would be familiar to cockney slang. That is soooooo funny. You obviously know nothing about England. And people DIDNT meet people from 'all over England' in those days. Hardly any working class people from London had cars or means to travel North. I will leave you to your imaginary world of Britain early 60's, which I actually lived in !. (plus my mother was a cockney). End
ipolson 10 months ago
@ipolson There is nothing funnier than watching someone argue from CERTAINTY, something of which he could never be certain. Hunter Davies on George Harrison: "My menory of George will always be of how he would take things so seriously, like reincarnation, going on and on, but then suddenly stop and mock himself, or break into a funny voice as he did when I was with him iat his Esher home, piking up the phone to say, in broad cockney, "Esher Wine Store." You're right, no point "arguing."
huston3 9 months ago
@ipolson .Since I'm not declaring he definitely did "yid," with "dustbin lid," but merely offered it as something you might not have considered when you dismised it as a lame lyric, and your tack ever since has been to suggest that there's no possible way he could have meant it that way (thereby supporting your lame lyric dismissal of one of the world's great songwriters), all I need do is find reasonable doubt that Paul would have no knowledge of Cockney. I think Macca'd been to London by '82.
huston3 9 months ago
@ipolson
from the Urban Dictionary (definition 2)
"This is Cockney rhyming slang for a Jewish person;
Dustbin lid = Yid
It is moderately impolite.
It can be used with or without the second word "lid"; in traditional Cockney usage the "lid" would always be omitted.
Obviously, being born there doesn't make you an expert. Ta!
1. He never trusted a Dustbin.
2. Everyone knew Sammy was a Dustbin Lid.
huston3 9 months ago
@huston3: Right, so someone writes an 'urban dictionary' and this is the definative cockney 'bible'. Utter nonsense. But if you believe it, fine. I will go with the explanation as supplied by the MAN WHO WROTE THE FUCKING SONG !
ipolson 9 months ago
@ipolson Try the phrase "like flies around sh*t." Then Anglicize it to "like flies around a dustbin lid." In other words, he was saying he'd treated George on occasion, like garbage.
Read "Forbidden Words: Taboo and the Censoring of Language," where the author suggests "dustbin lid" is a Cockney slur for Jew (such as "kike" or "yid"). Which makes even more sense, as the final degeneration of the Beatles seemed at the time to be about little more than money (see George's I Me Mine)."
huston3 10 months ago
@huston3: Oh, and by the way, 'dustbin lid' is cockney slang for 'little kid', not as you state. It is not used much these days but where my mother came from in London, it was used all the time. I seem to recall McCartney confirmed this in the interview with Nicky Horne when the album came out.
ipolson 10 months ago
@ipolson I read the rhyming dictonary/cockney slang for little kid, but looked for other meanings that a Cockney might have for the word, which is how I came across the book. Again, as a musician, does a song mean what you mean when you write it, or what it means to the person listening to ir? And like the revisionist history of GHarrison written only a couple of years before his cancer was diagnosed, what would Macca gain by admitting the spin I discovered to the words? I can't imagine any.
huston3 10 months ago
@ipolson I read the rhyming dictionary/cockney slang for little kid, but looked for other meanings that a Cockney might have for the word, which is how I came across the book. Again, as a musician, does a song mean what you mean when you write it, or what it means to the person listening to ir? And like the revisionist history of GHarrison written only a couple of years before his cancer was diagnosed, what would Macca gain by admitting the spin I discovered to the words? I can't imagine any.
huston3 10 months ago
@ipolson I read the rhyming dictionary/cockney slang for little kid, but looked for other meanings that a Cockney might have for the words, which is how I came across the book. Again, as a musician, does a song mean what you mean when you write it, or what it means to the person listening to ir? And like the revisionist history of GHarrison written only a couple of years before his cancer was diagnosed, what would Macca gain by admitting the spin I discovered to the words? I can't imagine any.
huston3 10 months ago
@huston3: I understand what you are saying and, as we know, for all our lives people have made their own interpretation of Beatles lyrics ('what did they REALLY mean ?'). To me its a pointless exercise. I have Paul on tape saying ' its interesting when you hear people's interpretations, but they are always wrong, because I know what was in my head when I wrote them'. Also, in John's last interview he (finally) discusses many Beatle songs. Personally, I prefer (clever) music to words anyway !
ipolson 10 months ago
Amazing song <3
Pommejaune78 1 year ago
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Very personal song and I'm a GEMINI.....yikes......
duneperfume 1 year ago
Very personal song and I'm a GEMINI.....yikes......
duneperfume 1 year ago
Forgot about this song. One of the better tunes off the mediocre Pipes of Peace.
SouthCoastMass 1 year ago
very appropriate song for a gemini like macca.
5ken7 1 year ago
@5ken7
Very personal song and I'm a GEMINI.....yikes......
duneperfume 1 year ago
I heard somewhere that he wrote this for George. This is around the time he was trying to get them to write together. And around the same time he wrote 'This One' where he did that Indian/Meditation music video.
It would make sense, especially with lyrics like "I'd like to make a different mood, and if you let me try again, I'll have a better attitude. I know that one and one makes two, and that's what I want us to be."
msradx 1 year ago
What year did he write this? <3
msradx 1 year ago
@msradx ........Recorded February/March 1981, Summer 1981, September/October 1982. Released 1983
BobsArtGallery 1 year ago
For you dad, 8th Aug 1948...i love you dad xxx
ianbowman 1 year ago
LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS SONG X PAULX
BEATLEBUNNY 1 year ago
I know I was a crazy fool
For treating you the way I did
YOUrmypal68 1 year ago
Great song! I think 'dustbin lid' is cockney rhyming slag for kid so maybe thats where the cheesy lyric comes from?!
cfergoid123 1 year ago
@cfergoid123 thank you! i never knew about that cockney rhyme and now I won't wince every time i hear this lyric
plarter 1 year ago
Wow....who of ANY of US...can not HONESTLY relate to this song?! Grande Paulie....!
macrockettere 1 year ago
I agree with plater: The words are very bad. I'm a Paul and Wings fan, but I think the words on this song are awful. ' I acted like a dustbin lid' etc. Obviously lines thought of just to rhyme and fit in. This would not have happened in the Beatles, because John would have vetoed anything embarrassing. My least favourite Macca album and a real comedown after 'Tug of War'.
ipolson 1 year ago
the breathing he does at the 0:38 or so, was so freaking sexy, I had to replay it just for that. Mmm...its McCartney!
wouldntyoulike2know 1 year ago
Funny... I like all his "me's". :)
ImAnnaChristine 1 year ago 3
I started playing this very underrated song in my band. People love it! It's a great bar song,if you just heavy up the guitars a little.
corg22 1 year ago
3:40 =]
Welshwitchfan 2 years ago
I'm a huge fan, but this is one of his worst songs, containing the lyric "I acted like a dustbin lid".... c'mon people!!!!! lol
plarter 2 years ago
@plarter c'mon people is a good song 2
hereinthebronx 1 year ago
@plarter
Better than the crap that's out there now. I rahter listen to this than Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus & the rest of the garbage that's in Billboard Top 10, enough said.
blachubear 1 year ago
Thank you very much.
gottafriend 2 years ago
2:16 ...Alright! at last! ... Paul wearing Linda's blouse! ...we all have another side *
bjoybeads 2 years ago
Why don't people just drop it/
If he is dead since the 60's then so be it.
If so then "william cambell" is a good musician and singer. If he still alive then it is settled he is a ledgend.
OlympianSaint 2 years ago
I likethis bass....As always it fits perfectly....The master at work...
doublefantasy77 2 years ago 3
PIPES OF PEACE LP!!!! still a fine little album. I still call it Tug Of War part 2.
koldkockrecords 2 years ago
@koldkockrecords yes, thats correct, because the songs that no were included in TUG OF WAR, they were included in PIPES OF PEACE
discobeat80 1 year ago
The other me is the one who wasn't show business Paul.......it's the everyman.
Sircornflakes 2 years ago 12
paul rocks so hard
fuzzy1012 2 years ago 2
I have loved this song for years, and that last collage of pictures was just perfect!
icanwaitanotherday 2 years ago 19
@icanwaitanotherday YEAH YEAH, I have loved this song too, I have passed many years of my life listening albums of McCartney
discobeat80 1 year ago
Well you know that it´s not real = Strawberry fields Forever.
I know that one and one makes two = Come Togheter and I am the Walrus.
Doesn't let you down = Don´t let me down.
So Imagine how I feel?
acepipe123 2 years ago
John = The glad one, like in She Loves you.
Play the fool = John said that he was a guitar player but sometimes he Plays the fool.
If I hurted you = like on Lennon´s Jeallous guy...
There´s an other Paul that could live with John, but the real Paul could't live. And it´s because Paul said, he could have been it better, if he could has another chance.
acepipe123 2 years ago
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Maybe paul is playing with the urban legend wich says he is dead in this song... The other me is William Campbell...
FANTOMASXXX69 2 years ago
The man I love the most in the whole universe.
Lilimacca 2 years ago 3
Seriously, Paul and John weren't that obsessed with each other that every song they wrote had a hidden meaning about the other.
You could say this is about Paul's relationship with Jane Asher, for the most part it does describe that relationship, but then again we can all relate to it (having two sides to ourselves, one better than the other).
superman11978 2 years ago 2
Both explanations are sound
gards2 2 years ago
The " Other me" is John Lennon?
acepipe123 2 years ago
Try not too over analyse. they're just lyrics, man :)
gards2 2 years ago 3
I really love this song, "She's My Baby" is one of my favorites as well. Glad that you guys enjoy them as well.
xaerte 3 years ago
OMG, that last pic! Love it! His face is the same in all four! What an angel!
beatlequeen06 3 years ago
3:39 - What a beauty! =)
Danikas 3 years ago 3
haha at 0:18
TheBeatlesToday 3 years ago
I think this and "She's My Baby" are THE lost gems of the McCartney catalog. Yes. That's what I think.
dougedart 3 years ago 3
i love this song !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HotJessicaRabbit 3 years ago 4
Great song. And great video :-). Thanks for posting.
Crisstti 3 years ago 3
I wonder if he can even fathom or imagine how many people love him?
myblueyes07 3 years ago 5
It's great. A contribution of Paul to the 80's magic. I have the Pipes of Peace LP sice high school in '84, but not the turntable. Thank you from Tláhuac, México.
rokmanroll 3 years ago 2
great pics, great song (love that "breathing part".-)
auweia9 3 years ago 5