Kid in the Cockpit Mayday/Air Crash Investigation Part 5

[jimdep333]

Shitty airbus aircraft. There was no audible warning of the auto pilot becoming dis-engaging when the kid kept pushing the wheel to the right for more than 30 seconds.

[danc13579]

The left! No the other left!

[spacemermaid2012]

I'm sorry but the parent pilot was very irresponsible.

[fredwilma1000]

I blame the parent.

[scorpianofthesun]

This whole thing was very tragic.

[pbrew85]

Why does it cost lives to find aircraft faults....

[flood71]

@pbrew85 Because aircraft are designed and built by humans, and humans aren't perfect. It's still amazing how incredibly safe air travel is these days.

[oollGiGlloo]

The plane was just like Roller Coaster. How could the main pilot still fall asleep?

He would have been waked up, come to the cockpit and see what was happening.

[sry 4 my poor Eng TT^TT]

[PXNielsen]

@oollGiGlloo

He did wake up.....the G forces were just too powerful for him to get back to the cockpit.

[sudaev]

@oollGiGlloo - No, she was saying that her passenger son was hopefully asleep.

[MyVideoHubOnDell]

IF $AUTOPILOT{OFF} AND BANKANGLE{40>}

THEN BANK_DEGREES{0}

AND PITCHATT_DEGREES{0}

[malamagr]

Having an autopilot PARTIALLY disengage with no warning should have been prosecuted as criminal negligence. And why did the brilliant plane allow itself to be banked past design limits without trying to save itself?

Someone should add a few lines to the computer program:

IF autopilot has just disconnected without warning,

AND plane then maneuvers beyond design limits,

MAYBE it was a mistake

and I should put the plane back into safety

or at least BEEP a warning.

file a Patent Pending for that

[aboulwiss89]

@malamagr many reasons why the plane isn't to be blamed: first, a pilot is supposed to permanently scan throughout his computers (therefor supposed to see that the plane was banking) and that is why pilots don't just go te sleep when their autopilot is on. Second, you can't give too much restrictions by the plane (if it stalls you'd need to dive beyond normal limits to gain speed and save the plane, if the plane doesn't allow you to do that you'll just fall)

I agree however on the warning issue

[XiaoranLockjaw]

All they had to do was let go...... in-built survival mechanism... but the pilot has to know that..........

[1Filmproducer]

Brilliant!, shit were stalling, meh lets let go of the controll stick, oh look its stopped stalling, magical!!, ahaha, wow being a pilot looks really fun :)

[philipputh]

Absolutely correct........... dishonour him the pilot............ Which is Injustice

[finfinqx56]

Tackle any kid on the way towards the cockpit. Tell them to use the aft bathrooms

[Snoep76239]

Also don't forget to tell pilots if plane has a "self-rescue" feature..

[raigandalf]

@Snoep76239 hahahaha this whole thing is such a tragedy ..... notwithstanding that the captain was an absolute dick in allowing his kids to take control of a flight full of 75 passengers .... notwithstanding that Airbus botched up the design of the alarm system to indicate the disengagement of the autopilot.

The only freaking thing the pilots had to do after pulling up was to let go of the damn controls & the flight's uber cool safety system would have kicked in! What an absolute shame! *sigh*

[Snoep76239]

Hmmm, no alarm when the autopilot partially disconnects. That's a brilliant design (heavy sarcasm).

[coffeecation]

The pilot is primarily at fault as a kid has no training or comprehension about what a large aircraft will do or can not do. Airbus - design and engineer an aircraft at least know how it works. Same issue with A320 Habsheim France, flight manual incorrect, pilots trained incorrectly and aircraft with landing gear down in display flyby "thinks" it is going to land and will not respond to pilots commands. Yet again another giant repeated SNAFU.

[chemerich]

@coffeecation

"Airbus - design and engineer an aircraft at least know how it works"

Yeah, but pilots are not engineers and engineers are not pilots. That's the big problem with Airbus, it's designed for engineers and computer scientists, not for pilots. This is why there have been so many accidents.

[coffeecation]

@chemerich Most manufactures design and engineer aircraft with little pilot input. The context of my last comments Airbus do risk more as a consortium of different investors and speaking countries and carry the attitude first is best sometimes negating safety. Money tied up in the A380 also takes funding away from investment in other aircraft. As an accident investigator, hours operated Airbus is still ahead of many other competitors but do not appear not to tolerate difficult flying conditions.

[chemerich]

@coffeecation

Airbus is protected against criticism by the EU. A French pilot, Norbert Jacquet, who dared to question the safety of Airbus, was immediately fired from Air France. Read about his story at his website: jacno.com

[coffeecation]

@chemerich Having studied accidents from 1964 onwards and investigated them for 4 years I most likely have comprehensive information on that. “Whistle blowers” definitely get a raw deal and recurring issues appear with many aircraft and ignored (Risk management) but crashes have put some manufactures or operators out of business.No aircraft has any protection unless until a crash.So as per previous comments some have less investment than others possibly compromising safety. That’s all from me.

[VKG80]

I can't believe what some of these people are saying. How is this a freak accident? And how are the children innocent? Surely teenagers know they can't possibly be fit to sit in a pilot's seat on an airplane. By accepting this madness they are guilty, not innocent.

[chemerich]

@VKG80

"Surely teenagers know they can't possibly be fit to sit in a pilot's seat on an airplane"

Except if they are allowed to sit there. Kids are supposed to trust adults, especially their own parents.

[VKG80]

It's irritating that they're speaking with these strong Russian accents. Obviously they're not speaking in English but Russian in real life, so they should not sound foreign but like native speakers.

[joshpugfan]

sorry if this sounds mean, but the children should not have been buried in a heroes grave. What did they do that was heroic, crash a plane??!

[unhappyangel1126]

Respond to this video......well i think the autopilot was off... 

[MyDeniShow]

I Think the lesson heer is just do your job its good enough that your kids got to go to the cockpit dont let them drive the whole plane.



[umbc91]

in russia, plane fly you

[TalesrunnerGM]

Its odd to bring children to the cockpit..

[mako88sb]

@TalesrunnerGM Not so odd pre 9/11 but to allow them access to the controls is and should never have been considered.

[JojoplusBo]

I have to agree with you, this has disturbed me so much since I saw it and you are so right in saying that it was just a simple thing.........that turned into a most distasterous one! So, so sad......

[JojoplusBo]

...this particular tragedy has left me.............totaly speechless!!

[mako88sb]

@JojoplusBo Yes, easily the most disturbing Mayday episode for me. So hard to believe how such a simple thing started this tragedy and escalated from there. Then to see them finally regain control only to find out they ran out of altitude. I found myself thinking of this episode for months after seeing it for the first time often waking from a deep sleep. Must admit to being worried I would develop a fear of flying because of it but flights to Winnipeg, and the Philippines went fine.

[6530517]

no accident was stupidity simple as that.

[FEA525]

All they had to do were release their hands..

[malamagr]

@FEA525 Yes, but from their point of view the plane was doing weird stuff on its own and it would be hard to just let go and trust it further. If I were a professional pilot and the autopilot seemed to go berserk I'd grab the controls and do what I could too.

Having said that, if the copilot really did recover from the dive and then pull up more and stall it, he's a @#$!

[malamagr]

@FEA525 Yes, but from their point of view the plane was doing weird stuff on its own and it would be hard to just let go and trust it further. If I were a professional pilot and the autopilot seemed to go berserk I'd grab the controls and do what I could too.

Having said that, if the copilot really did recover from the dive and then pull up more and stall it, he's a

[AUSSIEDAVEROCKS]

Kids aren't trusted to drive cars so WTF was their father thinking letting his kids fly a commercial jet aircraft full of passengers? - Fucking moron.

Yet another Dawin Award winner.

[chibikawaiichris]

I do not think the pilots should have been buried among Chernobyl hero's.

[KhongDaniel]

LoL the crew are heroes?  I hope the next "heros" don't start putting 6 year olds or animals on the pilot's seat.

[midfielderlegend]

@KhongDaniel This was not just down to them and as they said it wasnt just one thing. Surely it wasnt wholey thee fault and they were not trained correctly as they are now. Yes they were partially to blame but not fully. Have some respect please.

[plsniper]

@RcWorld7 Yes, the whole camera crew of 12 died in the cockpit.

[modeltrain9500]

"why is it turning", dipshit child

[firsak]

@modeltrain9500

Have you watched the video, idiot?

[midfielderlegend]

@modeltrain9500 Are you seriously suggesting that child should know why it was turning?

[modeltrain9500]

@midfielderlegend

Well if he was turning the control stick he should. Its not his fault though, he had no idea how airplanes work apparently

[midfielderlegend]

@modeltrain9500 Maybe I'm reading your comment wrong. "He had no idea how planes work apparently" are you being sarcastic? And if you were in the same position im sure you would know exactly what to do!

[modeltrain9500]

@midfielderlegend

Well, Ive been taking flying lessons since I was 11, so I dont think im a good example to use to the kids defence.

[sarang1991]

@modeltrain9500 still doesnt mean that the kid mess wth the controls dufus



[spiker84]

@modeltrain9500 you sir, are a pompous ass. any normal 15 year old will not know how to fly the latest commercial airliner right off the bat.

[modeltrain9500]

@spiker84

take it easy dude. I just laughed because he was so clueless. I feel bad for the airline, the aircraft, and the lives lost in the crash. It was an unfortunate event and was avoidable.

[spiker84]

@modeltrain9500 alright then. pick your wording wisely.

[yugiohmad1]

This should NEVER happen again

[malamagr]

@yugiohmad1 This was not the first time it happened. Something very similar had previously happened with Eastern Airlines, the pilot bumped the controls disengaging (again) PART of the autopilot, this time the pitch rather than roll, and the plane descended into the everglades while they messed with a burned out light bulb.

[bucinaus]

BTW, it is my JUDGEMENT, that the pilots fucked up to begin with. If you do not like my opinion, I don't give a shit!

[bucinaus]

I hate when people talk of "judging" like we do not have any right or knowhow to judge. I say fuck you, I can judge you all I want. You can judge me too. That is our right as human fucking beings. Stop being so scared to judge others. That is how people are kept in check, such as our leaders, etc. The ones who say "tish tish, thou shoundt judge others" ARE the ones who are some of the most opinionated anyways; they just want to shut other people up. NEVER be scared of people!

[HatakiSagara]

The only people that deserve to die on that night was the pilots and his son.

[urdead747]

@HatakiSagara And who are you to judge who deserves to die and who deserves to live!?

[HatakiSagara]

@urdead747 and who are you to judge me

[urdead747]

@HatakiSagara I'm Johnny Depp

[gitargud7]

@skaterkiviman Noise! Wanna have some pøn with Candyking?

[gitargud7]

Is it turning buy itself?

[trizander]

FIRST OF ALL LETTING ANYONE IN THE COCKPIT IS CONSIDERED "VIOLATION"! THEN THIS STUPID PILOT ALLOWS HIS SON OPERATES THE PLANE WITHOUT CRITICALLY THINKING SOME CONSEQUENCES THAT MAY WOULD HAPPEN! YEAH, SURE SON FLY THE PLANE !THAT MAKES ME SO PROUD OF YOU JUST FORGET ABOUT THE PEOPLE ON BOARD!!! DUMBASS!!!

[MrsNorris55]

It's not fair to condemn the whole crew, some of whom might have had serious reservations about the pilot's children being in the cockpit -- but who might not have been in a position to do anything about it.

And as the investigation showed, there were also anomalies about the aircraft itself that was unknown to those flying the plane. As really stupid as it was for the pilot to let his kids play at the controls, it might still not have been fatal if they'd known about those anomalies.

[TheMrMarilyn]

@MrsNorris55  Bollox love!!

[srk16in]

@MrsNorris55 : I think its inappropriate to use the term 'anomalies in the plane' as there was nothing wrong with the air craft itself. The crew were simply 'unaware' of some of the critical features of the air plane, was the root cause of the accident.

[looiedl]

I can't believe there wasn't more outrage. All of these comments about circumstance...if the kids weren't in the cockpit none of this would have happened. If even one of these derelict of duty pilots was flying the plane they would have seen the display saying that the autopilot was partially engaged. Great job Captain Moron!

[youjib]

the pilot was very confident in the modern plane he shouldn't have been

this is just sad

[ccarlyon97]

why the fuck did they get burried with the heroes? they brought the fucking plane down and killed every1, if they saved the plane then they whould be heroes

[aolex]

not to be arrogant or something, but just think how much things improved if you can learn this kind of procedures in a simulation program (game) that every kid can buy at the local store. i only played x-plane a few times and i knew from the beginning that releasing the control yoke or turning the autopilot off and manually recovering would just do. at those times, pilots didn't know. too bad, one more tragedy... nice vid!

[Elemarth]

I'm sorry, but I don't think this crew deserves to be buried there!

[HatakeHarry]

@platinumsalamander the kid did turn the controller too much since it was stiff, and it caused the autopilot for the whatever-it-is disengage, and the kid still didn't release the controller - it is still turned left. so the kid is banking the plane.

[ejuoi]

how would they be compensating for it??? The only thing that banks an airplane are the ailerons. what's puzzling is why didn't they disconnect the AP completely and manually correct. When in doubt about what's happening disconnect the AP and hand fly the airplane! Very very strange accident.

[bluenail90]

What the fuck are they buried there for? Different country (Ukraine not russia) and they're not heroes.

[firsak]

@bluenail90

That cemetery is in Moscow.

[firsak]

@bluenail90

And they ARE heroes! They had the fucking balls to fly Russian airlines.

[jera2020]

pilot just waited too long to even up the plane

[Jomokb76]

If the pilot took the control earlier, he can save the plane

what da misfortune

[MrPinedours]

GREG FEITH,one on the best NTSB,man(retired)has been asked many times about 911 "fly-lies)and the report,he never made a statement....

[badgerattoadhall]

@MrPinedours Because he won’t cheapen himself dealing with troofer idiots