New generation light weight batteries for electric vehicles

[therccarmad]

rolling c4

[ninepuente]

Were can I buy them??

[989blake]

you can run sattelites in space but they can't run a car...

[iToasterman]

electric cars dont use lead acid ever -_- only accient shit models, these are OLD. >_>

[MMX3SE]

Those battery decays pretty quickly though...

[gjwaindim]

How do I get more information about this battery. Can anyone help??

[MrRavi133]

the 7 dislikes were 7big oip companies owners

[trexinvert]

Two words.  Lithium Polymer!!! Li-ion is dinosaur.

[cplai]

@trexinvert I heard that scientists were researching on carbon nanotubes batteries which would make lithium polymer a dinosaur.

[NickBlackDIN]

@cplai arent the carbon nanotube one's actually super capacitors?

[mikennamorato]

@cplai I heard that to!

[WaffleTroll]

@trexinvert Two words "explosive fireball"

[jwh424]

2007, lol. It's 2010. Are you wrong..

[thejailbirdz]

if people are re doing this in their own garages WTF is the "problem" with the BIG 3?

i say boycott all vehicle manufacturers (Ford- GM-Chrysler) for a couple of years & make the oil companies shit themselves & see who comes out of it...

[cplai]

@thejailbirdz Remember that doing a prototype is different from producing a million copies that would last 10 years each. Before the Big 3 can sell the solution as a product, they need to time-test the technology and be sure it would not bankrupt them when every customer comes back for warranty services. The Toyota Prius battery has a 10 years 150K mile warranty for a reason. The on board computer restricts the charging and discharging cycle between 40% to 80% only. Can't do that on EV-cars.

[marcheseDS]

@cplai I think the major problem is that they know they will get much less money in expensive replacing parts and their reps will have to close. Today they earn half of their money with replacement parts (that cost double the price or more, try built a car from replacements and how much you paid in the end). Warranty is not that big issue IMHO because dosn't covers misuse&bad charging, for example in power tools or notebooks you are covered only if the pack was defective in the first place.

[ahitler1000]

@thejailbirdz Im in Roswell, NM may 24th2010 , and am already doing just that but mine is self sufficent , it never wilkl need charging , Im not joking , . . . russell the wizzard  on my space

[3089280288]

What if your car plug is in compatible with the charging station's plug?

[XCritonX]

Using better steel with 5 times the strength to build cars we will get 1/2 weight cars. This will help compensate for the weight of batteries. All of the major manufactures are ordering lots of super strength steel for 2010 or 2011 for both electric and petrol cars.

[cplai]

Also some research company is developing production automation with carbon fibers. Which is super strong and super light. Race cars are using carbon fibers already, it is not yet common because the manufacturing process is too slow and expensive. New production technique may change that.

[XCritonX]

If manufactures can lighten all cars we will instantaneously reduce energy use from new cars without sacrificing passenger space, security, and performance. It will probably cost more to build with high strength materials but with the fuel savings it will pay off in the end.

I think that production auto frames out of carbon fiber wont happen for political reasons. The steel industry is very strong and the cars would not rust. Unfortunately we have to have that built in obsolescence.

[cplai]

Built in obsolescence is what made Detriot fall so far behind. Remembered all the old American cars that wouldn't last 70K miles before Honda made cars that last 300K miles. People including politicians will change under pressure from competition. Besides, it is unsafe to create an indestructible car. All safe cars must include a crumble zone to absorb impact energy. i.e. even the strongest car must be designed to collapse to protect the passengers. Hence no car will last forever.

[TheBlackSky000]

@cplai Yeah, You are right. At collision, the energy should be convert to work in the weakest parts and if the car is so strong the weakest will be the passengers.

+1 for you.

[cplai]

@XCritonX see my video response titled HyperCar.

[AnAmericanFan]

@XCritonX - a metallurgist for over 33 years here. Explain your statement. Better steel w/ 5X's strength = half the weight? How so? Give examples.

Why not composite/aluminum or titanium (cost..) matrix? Far lighter and stronger to begin with when engineered properly.

[XCritonX]

@AnAmericanFan Search the interwebs for "High tensile strength steel". It is cheaper and easier to work with than titanium and has the potential for greater price stability than aluminum. We can use it to cut the weight of cars by half.

Often the choice is not what is better, but what can be done at reasonable cost and on a massive production scale. I would like a carbon fiber and titanium car, but I cant afford an Enzo Ferrari.

[MickWiser]

@XCritonX Wouldn't Carbon Fiber be lighter and stronger? Though It might be more expensive right now.

[XCritonX]

@MickWiser A Carbon Fiber chassis is over all superior to any metal. However the auto makers have lots of experience and equipment for working with metals. It is hard to change an entire industry. We don't have nearly enough skilled Carbon Fiber workers as it is.

Right now it more of a logistical, technical and regulatory issue. Many poorly written government regulations exist limiting how cars are built. Removing these would help to revitalize the auto industry.

[MickWiser]

@XCritonX Yes that is a good point.

[kevthor64]

puppyjump, I heard about about the batteries you mentioned and as you said no new news since then. Not doubting you, but where did you hear about the Saudi Arabia thing? If it's true about what you are saying then we won't see the batteries untill they run out of oil. By the way, the saudi's need $65 a barrel just to break even to keep thier country running. I heard that sometime around 2002 or so.

[apache4541]

Good news you will get new Nanotech battery A123 systems more powerful than Lithium-ion Powered ! The Nanotech battery quick charged in 5 mins get full , you will get about 450 miles range

[cappydawg]

love it!!! looking to making an electric go kart!!\

dammit i need a bigger motor!

[MarxNutz]

What program was this on? Beyond 2000 or Beyond Tomorrow? The spacey looking car early on in the video was featured in an article back in 1991 about two French guys who invented a 'source battery'. I wanted to see the vehicle go into production, but never heard another word about it. Wondered what happened?

[cplai]

It was on the Beyond Tomorrow show. I don't have the answer for your other questions.

[kelltiozim]

schnoo can have the 10 a gallon gasoline that's awesome the big gas giants whill love you shtone ager

[Schneebuddy]

Did I mention you should only discharge the battries less than fifty percent if you plan on keeping them for a full lifetime of service, up to 3000 cycles, ie one charge equals one cycle.

[adamslurch71]

and if that means you only charge you car once a day to do everything you need that enough cycles for just over 8 years of use before the batteries would need replacing.

[Schneebuddy]

The Vech featured uses twenty-four one KWH packs do the math. Lasts 3000 cycles and will only get you 120 miles per charge. Fuel is still a better option. even at $10 per gallon.

[verymobile12]

120 miles per charge

X 3000 available charges

= 360000 miles driven (x 1.609 for km = 579240)

yes the electric car is better! even at $10 per gallon.

MY car is 8 years old and only has 230000kms (142000 miles) on the clock so im not going to change the batteries under my ownership

[Schneebuddy]

I read $1200.00/ KWH, with the typical vech requiring at least 7KWH.

[cplai]

You are about right. Some people spent over $10K to upgrade their Toyota Prius to become a plug-in hybrid car that falls in the same ballpark figure as your estimates. EV and PHEV badly need some battery technology break through to bring down the price and extend the longivity. Regular consumers will not spend that kind of money regardless how clean the cars are.

[Schneebuddy]

We have everything to make the EV happen except the battery. I am really hoping fuel cell technology can get us out of this bind. We still would rely on hydrocarbon fuels however would be able to get many times the mileage from a single tank of fuel. We need to invest in MEMS research, and invent new technologies which have not been discovered.

[cplai]

Battery has many problems, longevity, capacity, weight, size, charging time/cycles, discharging rate, toxic material etc. every aspect needs improvement. Hydrogen Fuel cell has problem with the hydrogen production and delivery infrastructure unlike the well established electric grid. If I have the money I'd rather invest in battery research than in the hydrogen economy. When will Ironman share his secret power source?

[DarkLinkAD]

Associates from MIT claimed to have found a way to contain 100x the charge in Lithium batterys, I completly missed its showing on "G4 Tech TV" So I have no further info.

My assumptions are, theyed have to be unstable, but its something to look into.

[Puppyjump]

Stanford developed a lithium battery with 10x the charge of Lithium batteries. It has been revealed that Saudi Arabia now funds that project and there have been no further press releases on this battery since 2007.

Who will bury the MIT battery?

[kostea13]

EV IS THE FUTURE!

[chrishibbert20]

I thought Lithium polymer batteries were the lightest? used in radio controlled helicopters where weight is very critical?

[ffsallnamestaken]

Their also very explosive

[Asarim]

Saw it on ISITEL

[jesslessthemess]

just make them yourself. 100-200 aa batteries connected in series and parallel. easy enough

[jesslessthemess]

oops..100x100 = 10,000.  You need 10-20Kw for average range. You should be able to get there with $1000 or less.

[tsport100]

If you use A123 cells 1000 will give about 9kw/hr, good enough for 100km range with a 1000kg car, but you're way off on the cost.

The A123 Prius plug-in module that's only 5kw/hr costs $10,000. If it was only $1000 we'd all be driving EVs NOW!!

[jesslessthemess]

I saw 4packs of lithium aa's for $1. Buy a box or two of them and i'm sure your shipping can get down to $100.. you'd have to make sure they were all vented properly.

the batteries were 1.2v and 2500maH

[tsport100]

You have to be talking about non-rechargables i.e. once they are flat you bin them.

Rechargable cost quite abit more. A123 Li-ion cells as used in Dewalt power tools are about $10.00-14.00 a cell but will last 3000+ recharges.

I have seen 18650 (close to AA size) Li-ion batteries in bulk for as little as $3.00ea, but the technical specs for them were unknown. (i.e. if they're rubbish they won't last many cycles) That's still $3000 to get 10kw/hr but you'll need a BMS to make them last.

[jesslessthemess]

Thank you, you are right that they weren't li-ion. They were Nimh rechargables. Same stats (2500mAh)..but they may be poor quality. They are about 25-50 cents each..rechagable more than 1000 times. What's a BMS?

[tsport100]

BMS = Battery Management System.

Measures and reacts to max and min voltage per cell to keep to cell from over charging or discharging and usually also balanced the cells when charging. Most RCs using Li-po can't run without them.

[spangaonkar]

Amazing !

[hempev]

Chaz Haba? What a scam artist! Do a web search for his name and see how many SEC entries you find! Lithium House is just his latest iteration. You will a longer time on their waiting list than Tesla folks have for *their* EV!

[peace0ff]

no shit. some other people did this first. this guy just sec'd his way in.