Portuguese National-Anarchists and Nazbols

[kaaosaf]

Hi!!! I'm an Anarchist!! I want you fucking tools to GET FUCKED! You racist FUCKWITS have NOTHING to do with anarchism. Fuck off!

[123RAMMSTEINlinks]

como se chama essa música?

[Bassrulestherock]

O que é que este video querá dizer?

[Bassrulestherock]

Anarquismo e Anti-fascismo against Fascismo e Capitalismo!

Anarchy!

[Bassrulestherock]

Anarquismo e Anti-fascismo against Fascismo e Capitalismo!

[concienciaoi]

You aren`t anarchits.

You are fascist and NAZIS.

Mather Fuckers.

Long live for the anarcosindicalism.

[PanFascist85]

I support National Anarchism and I'm Black. NA is for anyone and everyone.

[migasaguiar]

fora com o nacionalismo no comunismo e no anarquismo!

antifascista=antinacionalista

[fatty099]

JesuitWhorez and co: you are all truly dumb fuck old left-liberal anarchist for the NEW WORLD ORDER whose corporations are in my beloved Africa stealing our resources while selling our beautiful black children Oprah and coke a cola. We see you love the melting pot, so we have to love it too, or else we black racists? You big stupid multicultural nihilist sludge idiots - your days are numbered with all other dogs of the new world order which you love more than your mama! GO NATIONAL ANARCHISTS!

[fatty099]

nazibreaker.You big dork idiot! We National Anarchists ( I'm black live in Africa) want to promote our own culture and heritage AGAINST NEW WORLD ORDER BULLCRAP, which is only for rich capitalists so they can KILL ALL CULTURE

( we are all the same= consumers) and replace it with coca cola, big mac n' stupid fat Oprah spewing for dorks like you to gulp down while singing 'the internationale' with bush, Obama, wall street, multinational corporations and world bank....GO NATIONAL ANARCHISTS!

[nazibreaker]

fuck these nazi scum !! REMEMBER NINBERG FOREVER IN MY HEART AS LOVE STORY!!!

[omfg4000]

They aren't national anarchists. THey are national syndicalists. The side of fascism that lost to Franco's and Mussolinis - wwhich is a big pitty.

[xxxKINGFROGxxx]

The nazis fucked up the innocent swastika and now they are going for anarcho-syndicate symbols!

[NAZIONALBOLCHEVIQUE]

Por la unidad de neofascista, nacional socialista, nacional revolucionarios, nacional maoistas, nacional anarquistas, nacional autonomos y nacional bolcheviques.

Saludos de un compatriota Nacional Bolchevique.

[kbcmighty]

theyre dirty fucking nazis ffs , wise up people . Their nation is race , they are racists , nazis , filth and scum .

[abdicator22]

Hater!

[kbcmighty]

I hate fucking nazis and dirty rotten fascists. What of it ?

[DarkIgor]

What i am implying is that hierarchial national systems already allow racial separation due to the border system. The opposition to that is anarchism. It denies the need for borders.

So if you already have both alternatives where is the sense into creating an amalgamnation saying it does exactly the same as the existing system.

i'll tell you why, it's because the extreme right is trying to recruit more young people by utilising the anarchist romantic image and iconology.

[rainskullvids]

National anarchism also denies the need for borders, in the sense of having a nation-state that punishes people for crossing an arbitrary line. In fact, they don't even advocate "nations", as we know them today. By a "nation", they mean a mono-cultural village or community. If other people want to participate in a multicultural community, then that's fine with them.

[DarkIgor]

So what is the purpose of national anarchism since plain ol' anarchism also allows both multiculturalism or isolation since it is based on consent and democratic decision making.

[rainskullvids]

Really, the only difference is that national anarchists put an emphasis on their desire to live in a mono-cultural community. Other than that, there are no discernible differences that I can perceive.

[DarkIgor]

that emphasis should not be part of the ideology, the ideology allows self-determination thus every society would decide if it will choose to culturally mix with other or not. so the whole emphasis thing is totally unnecessary.

And what would these so-called nazarchists do with societies that are allready multicultural. would they drive the foreingers out? because those ex-foreingers are a part of that society.

[rainskullvids]

Yeah, the emphasis seems a little redundant to me too.

No, they wouldn't drive them out of the country or anything like that. The villages would be small enough that it wouldn't be necessary.

[DarkIgor]

the villages ? so basically national anarchism is a sort of anarcho-primitivism that chooses to take a step back in civilization? everybody would live in small villages? do you know who was the last to try deurbanization? pol pot. and i think you know how that idiotic experiment ended

[Nebelung13]

To all the people you here are equating national anarchism with nazism. Or anarchism with some sort of far-left wet-dream

STFU

talk when you know facts not when your overrun by your delicate collectivist/totalitarian fantasies and pedantic garbage.

[Internationalen]

God damn it, not even the word anarchism is safe from the fucking fascist lies.

[deviantcreep]

@Internationalen

Your delusional about what National Anarchists are all about!

[Vulturu]

@Internationalen what lies are that? no offense, just curious...

[Rainzkul]

I personally am not a national anarchist, but I think that a lot of people here are treating this ideology unfairly as a result of ignorance. National anarchism is not associated with fascism, statism or racial supremacy in any way. It simply advocates a stateless society in which no one is forced to associate with anyone else via government impositions such as affirmative action and anti-discrimination laws. This would allow for, but not force, racial separatism.

[DarkIgor]

and national hierarchical system don't allow racial separatism?

[rainskullvids]

What do you mean by "national hierarchical system"? National anarchists do *not* support hierarchy or nation-states, if that's what you're implying.

[yeahwotevaman]

"National anarchism is not associated with fascism, statism or racial supremacy in any way"

If you looked into it a bit more you would find that 'national anarchism' emerged from the Third Positionist/New Right movement. It has it's origins in neo-fascism.

[rainskullvids]

I don't care what it emerged from, all I care about is what it is now. Humans emerged from chimp-like animals, and although I think it'd suck to be a chimp-like animal, that doesn't mean that it sucks to be me. Why? Because our species has evolved beyond that. And right now, you'd be hard-pressed to find any national anarchists who support fascism, so your point is null.

[yeahwotevaman]

I was pointing out that your statement is factually wrong. All 'anarcho-nationalist' groups I have come across have close links with other Third Positionist groups. They all share the same basic authoritarian premises but the 'anarcho-nationalists' appeal towards 'community autonomy' to convey their anti-immigration or socially conservative values. They are very communitarian.

[rainskullvids]

Okay, so I made a slight factual error in saying that national anarchism is not associated with fascism in any way, because apparently it used to be associated with fascism. I admit it. Go ahead and bathe in the satisfaction of being kind of right. Social anarchists are very communitarian too. Are they "not real anarchists"? For that matter, the early social anarchists were very nationalistic (i.e., Bakunin.) So I suppose that Bakunin wasn't an anarchist either.

[yeahwotevaman]

To be honsest I don't really care if they are 'real anarchists'. The ideology put forward in their propaganda leaves me with little sympathy for them. Most of all I don't agree with their underlying authoritarian premises regarding race and community (specifically how the former begets the latter). I see them as being far closer to 'conventional' fascist and nationalist currents than to what I understand to be anarchism. Most nationalists hate the state. It doesn't make them allies.

[rainskullvids]

These "underlying authoritarian premises" are nothing more than the product of your paranoid imagination. I have conversed with many national anarchists on Youtube, I have read national anarchist websites and blogs and not once have I found any sort of "underlying authoritarian premises." If you don't want to associate with national anarchists then that's fine, I just think that it's your loss, because they most certainly could be our allies, and valuable ones at that.

[yeahwotevaman]

"These "underlying authoritarian premises" are nothing more than the product of your paranoid imagination"

No, they are central to ethno-fascist ideologies - appeals to group cohesion based on some romantic tribal identity of 'shared values', history and genetics. All of them share the same basic idea that race begets community and thus 'mixing' is wrong. Putting an 'anarcho' in front of all this doesn't sell it for me.

[rainskullvids]

"All of them share the same basic idea that race begets community and thus 'mixing' is wrong"

This is a completely baseless claim, and a further demonstration of your paranoia and ignorance. Never have I heard a national anarchist say that race-mixing is wrong, and in fact I have seen them repeatedly show nothing but support for the right to involve oneself multicultural communities.

[yeahwotevaman]

So you have been talking to nationalists who do not believe in their national group?

[rainskullvids]

You seem to be confusing "being ethno-fascist, closet authoritarians who think that race-mixing is a crime against nature" with "wanting to live in a mono-cultural community." The latter is the position of the national anarchists who I have spoken with, not the former.

[yeahwotevaman]

I would say that latter is contingent on the former. Have you actually watched the propaganda on channels such as BANA0907 (Bay Area National Anarchists)? Does not some of the rhetoric they use 'degenerate lifestyle choices', 'invaders taking away our quality of life' ect, set off alarm bells with you? What about the German Eagle on top of the circled A? Where has that symbology been used before?

[rainskullvids]

No, but I have seen the BANA website. And I don't have "alarm bells", I have rationality, so no. Individual symbols (eagles, Celtic crosses, etc.) have been used in infinite contexts, and so I don't make assumptions about ideologies based on that sort of thing. Instead, I interpret political philosophies based on how the adherents describe it.

[yeahwotevaman]

OK I am not going to argue the absurdities of third positionist ideologies here. I have already stated WHY they push a 'preferance' for homogenity.

I am saying that the use of fascist symbology by people calling themselves 'national anarchists' and 'national bolsheviks' is because they identify with and are a part of the neo-fascist ideological tradition. They carry the same basic ideological premises.

By 'alarm bells' I mean a functioning bullshit detector. It is healthy to have one.

[kviapunx]

I've heard national anarchists speak of race traiters, they openly attack the use of words like "diversity" and "multicultural" as well as the old white power paranoid claim that the left is out to destroy the white race, so whoever you've talked to is probably watering down the more extreme aspects of what they are really about,which is common for these groups when they are trying to recruit and represent themselves differently

[kviapunx]

cont..the central issue?because to them its the only real issue.They are not anarchists, they are white supremacists that think they've found a new method of spreading their ideology. Its pointless to argue the merits of their anarchism because its just a front.

[deviantcreep]

@kviapunx

Your a brainwashed idiot!

[abdicator22]

I'd like to point out the difference between "Authoritarianism" and "Totalitarianism". Personally I feel that a certain amount of Authoritarianism is a valuable cultural asset to any society, as it tends to keep cultures free of sentimental forms of egalitarianism.

The thing is, though, different peoples are affected differently: many people in the west would find traditional East-Asian societies suffocating, and yet we in the west are the ones who are dealing with true Totalitarianism.

[kviapunx]

I agree, I've seen their websites and them protesting the folsom st. fair (gay s&M) and have seen other traditional racist groups and they are using the same language and dogma, they are just racists of the white power/separatist variety looking for a facelift.Which they;ve done several times over the years-my guess is they dont give 2 shits about anarchism, they are looking for a new recruitment vehicle.Affinity groups and frree association are already anarchist ideas, so why make race...

[DarkIgor]

is this a joke??

[yomacpi]

se houver anedota deves ser a única!

[blackflag1936]

sois unos putos nazis y no tenéis una mierda de anarquistas! los anarquistas vamos a ir a por vostros allá donde estéis... anarconacionalismo=nazismo

qué viva la CNT!

[Yourassismine2]

Anarchists and fascism are incompatible? this has all the trademarks of early stages in that region, anarchists can be useful and/or detrimental, it up to the leadership to confront the "leaders" of the anarchists to see whats up and act accordingly,if they don't,they get exactly what they deserve.

[onoludilo]

Why don't you JUST SAY THAT YOU ARE FASCISTS?

The thing is you want to take over revolutionary youth to see you as anarchists and to lock them in nationalism, because REAL ANARCHISM IS THE ONLY REAL OPPOSITION TO FASCISM that you, by the way, represent.

AN-ARCHE means without master, but when you add nationalism it's clear that YOU want to be THE MASTER.

...And people like YOU RUINED MEXICAN AND NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE, it's not the opposite.

[Nebelung13]

Your analysing the anarchist national by semantics and grammar standards?

Lets apply same scrutiny to you too

anarchy, means without ruler. Anarchism is the politcal view not anarchy.

Anarchism is the horizontal destribution of pwoer, in other words a state-less society.

national anarchism is the free willing association of people that sahre common features.

1-they do not force anyoen to this.

2-They to do engage in imerpialsitic warfare of ethnical fights, they respect others.

[Nebelung13]

*2-they do not engage imperialistic warfare or ethnical fights, they respect others to free-willingly associate with whoever they like.

[yomacpi]

we are portuguese. You have a disturbed mind. You are talking diferent things.

people like you, are ruining countries and cultures. Durfff

[1stAma]

What the fuck. National-Anarchists. Thats another proof for the stupidity of fascists. Fascism and Anarchsim are exactly the opposite of each other.

[AussiBlackstarrising]

Ummm.. then wouldnt that suggest that these people are not fascists?

I mean they SAY thaey are not fascists, they dont seem to hold any fascist beliefs about the primacy of the state, in fact the only evidence you have that they are fascists is that losts of left anarchists call them that, these same anarchists cosy up to the reds despite all the anarchists that reds have killed and the fact that communism [big state] is the opposite of anarchism [no state].

Indeed... what the fuck?

[wearelegion88]

anarchy..no leaders no barriers..all to their own way of thought and lifestyle..guess what..you end up with racists,fascists commies and fucking jews for jesus..if there's one lot of people who can't moan about who does what and when or how it's anarchists.you made your bed.we'll fuck it up.ciao for now kameraden.

[SLACKER614]

Third Position shows the way to Victory!!!

[cryptsub]

How can anarchists tolerate these fucking racists and nationalists? Real leftists need to organize and fight these "national anarchist" motherfuckers.

[neuraxianfusion]

Isn't anarchy a complete lack of a political position? You seem to treat it more like brain-dead liberalism than anything else.

[rainskullvids]

That's funny, because Proudhon and Bakunin were fucking racist bigots. National anarchists, however, are not bigotive at all. Having a preference for who you associate with is not bigotive.

[deviantcreep]

@JesuitWhorez

National Anarchists are NOT trying to make Anarchy racist you ill informed moron! Maybe you should try to understand what it is they are about before you spout out your bullshit!!!

[NewVinland]

@JesuitWhorez The first anarchists were "racist", you know-nothing.

[14alslav88]

@JesuitWhorez

National anarchism against the racism, chauvinism, nazism and fascism. National anarchism for nationalism.

[anarcanxo]

sois fascistas. Não enganar as pessoas. Vais a desaparecer. O anarquismo é incompatível com as pátrias. Qual é o seu anarquismo. Fascista NÃO! Nunca! Vive la anarquia, fascismo morre, desaparece fronteiras! NÂO nazistas!

[anarcanxo]

sois fascistas. No engañéis a la gente. Vais a desaparecer. El anarquismo es incompatible con las patrias. Lo vuestro no es anarquismo. FASCISTAS NO!!! NUNCA! VIVA LA ANARQUÍA, MUERA EL FASCISMO, DESAPAREZCAN LAS FRONTERAS! NAZIS NÂO!

[nazibreaker]

pls all nacional -anarkshit dont use the black and red star or flag...invent new fucking symbol so u are shaming our anarcho_syndicalists symbol fuck you all nazis u re not anarchists, fuck alll the right wing antifa wil fuck you first first the betrayer then the enemy see you on the streets all u nazi bitches!!!!

[marcelo1917]

E eis que surge o pós-moderno "anarco-nazismo", fruto das contradições do ecletismo anarquista. Junto com o "nacional-bolchevismo" (um jogo de palavras que é um tremendo oxímoro, mas que, na verdade, tenta combinar elementos do nazismo com stalinismo), os nacional-anarquistas representam um grave perigo ao movimento operário e, sobretudo, à juventude. Expulsar esse lixo das ruas é a palavra de ordem. O que não pode é deixá-los livres para manifestar seu ódio racial contra negros e imigrantes.

[folkandfaith]

what do the banners about racism or such say?

[XoipolloiX]

heil from Russ

[BIGASSFUCKER]

"Patriotism is the last resort of scoundrels" Emma Goldman. National Anarchism is an oxymoron, and these disgraceful seperatist idiots are giving the general public an even worse image of anarchism instead of providing them with an ideology that they can use for true liberation. Capitialism, Nationalism, and Dogma will always remain opposing ideologies. Stop trying to mix opposites.

[dakshinamurti]

Yeah, they are really retarded. nevertheless, capitalism is not incompatible at all with anarchism, if you have a proper understanding of what anarchism means. In an anarchist society there is open competition between organizational systems, so one is free to join a comune, a union, or to live as a capitalist. The only form of anarchy that allows for true liberty/freedom of choice and empowers the individual is anarcho-capitalism AKA free market anarchism. IMHO.

[kbcmighty]

its facsism , not anarchism . This is exactly the same as when hitler called his crowd national socialists instead of fascists . Its the same fascist bullshit

[holandropins]

son solo lumpen proletario jajajajaja VIVA LA IV INTERNACIONAL! VIVA LA REVOLUCIÓN SOCIAL!

[kviapunx]

These guys have been attempting to block any exposure of their real intentions off their comments-but they talk about race traitors and use all the old dogama-its just a new recruitment vehicle for racists,on one website they teach you how to say you dont like obama cuz hes black without sounding racist,and how to make criticism of racism seem like a defaming attack.Same WP I've been seeing my whole life, nothing new here-facelift count-christian,republican,pag­an,skin/klan,sepratist,workcla­ss..

[YUNAN87]

no, these people are against world goverment

and they fought for freedom of nations. respect

[NationalAnarchist23]

Well done to the National-Anarchists in Portugal. To the System; Watch out! We are everywhere!

[yomacpi]

didn't understand a thing!

[DiZ3NTION101]

werent these people "integralist" though?

[SocialistPhalanx]

Great video. Keep up the excellent work comrades!

Revolutionary regards from the American Socialist Phalanx.

[derw111]

Greetings of a hungarian from th UK!

[pvnksvbte77dxtroi]

national anarchists??? eso significa nacional anarquistas?? eso existe??? alguien me puede explicar esto... o que es nacional-anarquismo? ....

alguien me puede explicar porfavor

[michaelfreeman79]

Great to see National Anarchists are taking a stand around the world. Awesome work guys!

[yomacpi]

countries need order, not anarchism.

we are talking about someone who saved Portugal from misery, at the time. In the '40s and '50s

[lukesgd]

nice!

[BANA0907]

Rock and roll!!