Vocês americanos falam que o Iran é insanos mais foram vocês que jogaram a primeira bomba atômica no mundo em seres humanos os estados Unidos é pais que mais fez guerra no mundo, vocês não são invejados e sim detestados por muitas nações e ainda sim vivem cometendo erros até quando,tá na hora de respeitar ainda mais outras nações seus covardes
It was estimated that it would have cost over one million U.S. casualties--and four times or more as many Japanese to invade and conquer Japans home islands.--the bombs were the better choice.
Any offers of surrender should have been dismissed. The Empire of Japans duplicity leading up to Pearl Harbor was well known.
@majorgeeek Politicians tend to be duplicitios; FDR more than most; but if you're going to argue that FDR knew of PH in advance you really need a new tinfoil hat.
@kentamitchell no politician plays fair dice with world history when it comes to wars - - Japan gearing up for war was obvious even to a blind man - interesting Mac Arthur's biggest bungle in the jungle six hours after PH was totally out of character? if not why wasn't he sacked but was offered a bonus ?
@kentamitchell You do not need to read a book, you need to read several books to get the facts right and understand how to study history in context. "Dugout Doug" gained his nickname as a snivelling coward by skulking in the bowels of Corregidor while valiant American and Philippino troops threw stones at the Japanese on Bataan. My dog could have planned a better defense read The Question of MacArthur's Reputation by Chatillon
@kentamitchell Trohan's scoop on Mac Arthur's 40 page memorandum was on the front pages of both the Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald 19 Aug. The article was never retracted nor was a public apology posted - like wise the authenticity of the article was never challenged by Washington or the White House - yet the legal penalties of printing falsehoods against a President in the US are monumental suggest it was no hoax
@kentamitchell Truman could have brought defamation actions against The Tribune but didn't or, he could have called a news conference to refute Trohan's allegations but didn't or he could have sent the Secret Service knocking on some doors, could be or perhaps he offered a deal Mac Arthur couldn't refuse? - specifically Sato only "rejected" the term unconditional surrender - "why no mention" of a White house denial of Trohan's scoop and MacArthur's 40 page memorandum?
@kentamitchell if the story was "bogus" that nobody bothered commenting - where did you get that tit bit of info? your rehab nurse? - unless Trohan got his scoop from Nostradamus or in fact Leahy via Mac Memo, he had no other way of knowing the Emperor would be spared and become a "puppet in the hands of American forces" and that Truman's demands for unconditional surrender were a smoke screen - Truman was a poor bankrupt why didn't he sue the papers for millions of dollars??
@majorgeeek 1. Actually, Professor Emeritus Williamson Murray (who co wrotemy comprehensive exam for my MA) commented on Trohan's claims quote they're bullshit endquote
2. Truman went bankrupt in *1921*. My best guess is that HST decided he didn't care to get in a pissing fight with a skunk.
As I pointed out, no US President has sued for libel in more than a century.
@kentamitchell Truman would have sued the Tribune and Gen MacArthur to get a retraction and apology and that would have been the end of the matter - maybe there was good reason for him to avoid a piss fight in court? - "Trohan's claims" what claims? - Trohan is a reporter
@majorgeeek LOL! Professor Murray is a Yale PhD, and yes, his *exact* response to the Trohan column was "that's bullshit"
You've never heard a graduate student swear. I guess you have spent VERY little time at college. Why don't you try to find ONE college professor who thinks the Trohan story is true.
@kentamitchell you wrote "Actually, Professor Emeritus Williamson Murray (who co wrotemy comprehensive exam for my MA) commented on Trohan's claims quote they're bullshit endquote" two weeks ago? must be another of your BS stories?
- you seem obsessed with the MacMemo why don't you "get a copy" or won't your jihad allow you?
@kentamitchell Trohan's article shows that the war in the Pacific could have been over by the early Spring and that Roosevelt had sent thousands of American boys to needless deaths at Iwo Jima and Okinawa as Truman would later do to hundreds of thousands of civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is serious accusation against the President yet he sat back and virtually did nothing it seems to challenge the article
@351460 I can't believe the level of stupidity displayed by US by insisting on using "unconditional surrender" and atom bombs as revenge weapons - it damaged US self interests in Europe and Asia by giving the communists more time to advance into Europe and Manchuria, Korea as well as China - an earlier conditional surrender with Japan would have allowed US to use Japan's Kwantong army and 1.5 million Jap troops in China and US atomic monopoly would have kept the commies out
Even if the pilots regretead and i'm sure a lot regreted, at that time because of secret war and the propaganda they could'nt say otherwise. Even now don't forget that the AB is still a very polemic subjet, and that even today a lot of things remained secret, do you know that the true first documentaries about the bomb came in the last 70's? USA troops stationed in japan prohibited journalist to enter in the zone bomb and to get informations about the bomb? TThey had something to hide.
wihout compting that japanese war infrastructure suffered many lost and damage, the game was already done. We know the japanese soldier spirit to fight until death and never surender, but even with that, they had no chances.
Without conunting that hiroto was preparing plans to surender and, yes civilains deaths were sacrificated. It was most a testing and show URSS they have the AB than save lifes. iF it was realy for saving lifes truman would have not lied and hide things about the nuke
I Think 2.3 million is exagerated, the japanese strategy was to send most of soldiers they had to defend the islands USA wanted to take, Okinawa, iwo jima, etc, of course they have some sodiers defending the home islands, like another normal army would have, but 2 million? I read their number was about 500 000 1 million something like that.
Don't forget the different bombing in the japanese cities were destined to destroy military bases, so they weren't so poweful
@tatianaf1000 You think 2.3 million is exagerated? DO SOME RESEARCH! 2.3 million j troops surrendered in the Home Islands, 1.3 million in China, 600,000 in SE Asia surrendered to Lord Mountbatten.
"the bombs were useless"?We dropped 2 bombs in 3 days. 15 after after "Fat Man" exploded, 'god/man' hirohito gave the surrender order to his cabinet. Res ipsa loquitor!
I know Tiberts never regretead droping the bomb, and was even happy, but like you said the bombs didn't end the war as the war continued. Japanese troops were about 7 millions in early 1945, the us about 11 million. About 2-3 millions were stationed in china and other occupied land, about 1 mio died in combat, 1 mio fighting, so nit's possible their are 2 million, but us troops were with the deaths, the pow, the ones who went to china and others lands about at last 5 mio.
Official japanese rendition is 15 august, but conflit continues with URSS until end august.
I still think it was not the best way to end the war, they had already lost and they knew it. Having URSS and USA both behind their back, they 'll lose anyway.
@kentamitchell the Japanese War Council or the Big Six was unanimously passed to accept unconditional surrender on Aug 14 following heated debates, attempted coup d tat in which the bombings played minor role - in fact several members of the Six were not swayed at all - the USA accepted conditional surrender same as the one Japan offered back in Feb 1945 - so why did USA do an about face after 6 months of stalling?
@kentamitchell Trohan's article "Chicago Tribune, August 19,1945 Japs Asked For Peace In Jan, Envoys on Way - Tokyo" regarding MacArthur' s memorandum to Roosevelt was confirmed by MacArthur himself - Truman never denied any part of the article which he would have if it was untrue - it 's uthenticity is backed up by the Japanese approaches for peace through Sweden and Soviet as well as US decodes of Japanese messages - where did you read it was a hoax?
@majorgeeek 1. No mention by MacArthur- not on active duty or in retirement or by any member of his staff.
2. No mention by Adm. Leahy (supposedly he leaked it)
3. No mention by any Japanese official interrogated after the war (& there were HUNDREDS) 4.No mention by any BRITISH official (supposedly offers came to the Brits as well)
5. Japanese make a DIPLOMATIC offer thru an American GENERAL? What's wrong with this picture?
@kentamitchell the article did not say the Japanese made a diplomatic offer through MacArthur - where did you read this? - you ask "What's wrong with this picture?" - you either can't read or you suffer selective amnesia? dunno
@kentamitchell well I am not a mind reader - how about some more info loke listing a page number or perhaps even a quote which confirms your statement "Japanese make a DIPLOMATIC offer thru an American GENERAL?" - which general and which offer?
@majorgeeek You're not a mindreader? Apparently you're not a bookreader either.
Which General? Gee, we've been mentioning MacArthur in the past several entries. Trohan claims in the 10th chapter of "Political Animals" that MacArthur forwarded a 40 page memo to FDR before Yalta- in which J govt supposed made an*offer* to surrender w/1 condition) which FDR & Truman supposedly ignored.
@kentamitchell you have missed my point - since you have lied about Trohan's article before claiming he said it was a hoax - could you please supply a quote and pg number where Trohan says the J govt "supposedly" made an offer
@majorgeeek LOL! Sounds like a spoiled 5 year old throwing a tantrum. What Ihave pointed out from Day One is that Walter Trohan perpetrated a hoax- which you have swallowed,hook,line & sinker. See pp 221-222 of "Political Animals".Of course Trohan never admitted his fraud- even though he lived to be 100.
@kentamitchell you lied about Trohan's article before claiming he said it was a hoax - I repeat - could you please supply a quote and pg number where Trohan says the J govt "supposedly" made an offer of surrender
@kentamitchell clearly you must be lying or Trohan, MacArthur & Leahy are lying ? - - you inferred their story was revealed as a hoax and quoted from Trohan's book which you now admit the hoax is your opinion - the fact that Trohan's story was unchallenged by Truman and the Govt - MacArthur verified the story as true - is sufficient to believe that your claim of a hoax is a lie and a slur on the memory of these famous people
@majorgeeek Don't you find it a bit odd that if Japan made an offer of surrender w/1 condition in FEBRUARY, when JAmbUSSR Sato made that same recommendation in 7/45, JForMin Togo repeatedly rejected it? And when Sato asked Togo to give a list of peace terms,on 8/2/45 Togodidn't say- oh, you know- what we offered in February.
If J made such an offer, why didn't they do on the radio & announce it to the world-like the Allies did w/t Potsdam declaration?
1. Their army was almost destroyed (even US parlement members and US cabinet members close to Truman admited that and said the bomb was useless), and the soldiers who droped the bomb regreted that later.
2. Their equimement was not so sophistiqued as USA and cross all the pacif ocean was impossible for them
3. They could have lanced a third attack in pearl harbour and completly destroy us navy, but they didn't cause there are to many risks, they were limited
USA werw very popular in Europe, from the 40 until the 90's, but their obession of being the lords, the justiciers of the world, always being obcessed to participate in the others affairs and being obcessed by showing the world they are the biggest military and econimic force costed them this popularity. The 2003 war just made the things getting worse, and now USa is one of the most hated country in the world, more than japan and Germany, US gvnmt provocated that hate. Sad isn't it?
The war is decided by a minority, the american and japanese gvnmt decided that, not the civilians, because for american gouvernement enter in waris still profitable, they could make easy money in the back of their own citizens, they decide that but they are not the ones who sufer (the families ofthe soldiers and the soldiers tehmselves sufer for making them rich), that's how the things work, for more than 3 centuries us gvnmt is making money from war, sad...
japan war very far having the nuke, and if they have i doubt they would have used it, cause in terms of strategy there was many risk. Crossing all the pacific to bomb USA cities, the chances of that happening were minimal.
The problem with americans is that they have a too binal vision of history (bad vs good ones when in realty is not like that, the war itself is a crime and all the parts comited crimes, it's too easy to overexpose the crimes of the others to hide the crimes the others comited
1. Their army was almost destroyed (even US parlement members and US cabinet members close to Truman admited that and said the bomb was useless), and the soldiers who droped the bomb regreted that later.
2. Their equimement was not so sophistiqued as USA and cross all the pacif ocean was impossible for them
3. They could have lanced a third attack in pearl harbour and completly destroy us navy, but they didn't cause there are to many risks, they were limited
@tatianaf1000 HISTORY LESSON TIME! Paul Tibbets, the pilot of the Enola Gay, died Nov 1, 2007 @ the age of 92.He never expressed any regret; rather, he was proud that his unit did so much to shorten the war. The navigator the Enola Gay, van Kirk is still alive- he has no regrets- and neither did any crewmember of the Enola Gay or Bock's Car.
One ofthe reason USA used the bomb, it was to stop URSS ambitions, end the war? The war was pratically over with japanese troops being assaulted by both URSS and USA they were pratically destroyed. Plus URSS invaded japanese south asian colonies so the japanese army was controling nothing. Even if USa troops had to invade japanese islands do you think the population will ressisted that much? Men with guns and bombs vs children and women with wooden swords, the fight'll last maximum ten minutes.
@tatianaf1000 I recommend you read William Manchester's "Goodbye, Darkness" His USMC rgt fought on Okinawa 4-6/45 & took 81% casualties. (Manchester was wounded twice). Nevermind the militias- J Army had 2.3 million troops defending the Home Islands.
Okinawa's garrison was 2 reinf J divisions. Kyushu's garrison was *14*.
Everybody know about japanese soldiers cruelty in thei prisonier champs and i'm sorry for your aunt and the others 1000 american civilians who died, but usa werw not angels as you descibe them, and some german and japanese soldiers were brutaly executed too. Still the army actions doen't justify USA bombing innnocent populations, no matter of what, the allies bombs caused 1 million victims in japan and 3 million in germany, for countries who symbolise justice and peace it's too much.
maybe europe teach violence and stated the WW, butUSa lived by war and finished them (in the two WW they sold armement too both parties and grew up thier economy by that.
The plan Marshall was not a gift, it was a help, but it was in uSA interest , europe had to be in USA champ during the cold war and support them, and supply them by different marchandise.
How many victims in the cold war because of URSS and USA excentricity? It's knoe they had confort women in vietnam too.
They bought the informations of the unit 731 and tested them once in north korean villages, they actually have in their armement lots of chimical bombs, atomik bombs, etc, they volontary armed south america milices in panama and other south american milices and provocated conflicts in the region by that, now they used 9/11 as an excuse to invade irak and afghanistan shoting innocent women and children, the guntanamo torture and in irak etc.
USA made pace with indians? Perhaps now, but in the XVIII XIX and at the begening of XX century it was not like that, they were delibery murdererd so the americains peaseans could steal their lands. I learn enough about crimes europe commited slavery, colonisation, forced work, etc, and don't hide that, but if you think just cause USA won the WWII are better you are so wrong.
Americains killed chinese too in WWII with their strategic bombs.
Yes De Gaulle was bad in Algeria i know that, i read enough books to know that, but i didn't deny the bad France or europeans countries did to the others, the problem is that lot of americains think that the horrors they commited (native indians mass murder, villages destruction during the cold war, killing innocent citizens in irak and afghanistan, etc) is always justified when none violent act against innocent populations is justified, that's dangerous.
I'm sorry for your aunt where was she prisonnier in China? I heard to some histories USA troops raped women in japan and asia, war is just awful and you can't say one is totally black or white.
These events should not be forgetten not to maintain hate to the others but for they never happen again. You americains should understand that what annoys people is the fact that you will always make yourself pass by a clean, exemplar nation, when you are not better than the others
@tatianaf1000 My Aunt Winifred was a US Naval Nurse taken prisoner at Corregidor. She said Japs were cruelest people upon Earth. The Jap Army commanders encouraged using captured Amercan women as Comfort Women. Just Google Japanese Comfort Women + learn how Jap soldiers were taught brutaility + to rape, murder + beat US women to death. My Aunt was a witness at a Jap War Crimes trial + the Americans that liberated her + others often dispensed immediate court martain + execution of Jap soldirs!
@tatianaf1000 Europeans have taught the world brutality + USA is pissed cuz Britain & France start wars with Germany + than beg USA to rescue them. WW1 was caused by all of U just itching to fight.At Versaille President Wilson warned all of U an unfair peace with Germany would cause WW2. Its Europeans who invaded + enslaved nations out of greed. Europeans established slavery + murder of Native Americans. USA fought bloodiest Civil War in history to stop slavery + we made peace with Indians!
Seems that USA and Europe have different ways to teach history because I learn USA started civil war not for end slavery but for economical reasons. The number of japanese victims is about 30 million in south asia, its already a lot, i know about cruelty in japanese camps but their citizens where not resposnible, it's know most of them knew japan will lose and though the war was unecesary, but theiur gouvernement doesn't care.
Bombing civilians is bad no matter what their army do, they are not responsible, if you count 300 000 soldiers and 1000 citizens from USA died in the war, and 1 million japanese civilans died from USA and URSS bombs, plus the bombs didin't stop war, countined for three weeks, USA feared URSS and didn't want japan to negociate with them and feared comunism, their relations were degradating. USA wanted to show are the strongest, some historians think that was the mian reason the bomb was used.
@tatianaf1000 China was USA Ally, from 1937-1945 Japs murdered 60 million Chinese. In Phillipines Japs murdered 4 million Phillipinos classifed as American citizens. Japs murdered another 25 million in Jap occupied nations. USA used the Nukes cuz we learned Japs were going murder all USA POWS on 1/19/1945. Every day 1500 USA POWS died from slow starvation. Those Nukes saved USA POW + my Aunt who said she could not last 30 days. Nukes saved millions if condemned people in Jap occupied nation!s
@tatianaf1000 The main reason was to bring immediate end to WW2 cuz Japs refused to surrender. Nukse were used cuz 1500 USA POWS died every day from slow starvation + they saved British + Chinese POWS. U should watch "Unit 731" on Utube to learn how evil Japs were. U should watch "Japans Atomic Bomb Part 1" + learn they were very close to having the Atomic Bomb by 4 to 8 weeks. Do U think the Japs with the Atomic would have beem kind + caring? If Japs had Nukes we would be dead or enslaved.
Japan are still paying the USA troops stationed in japanese bases (Okinawa for the most), but i think it's part of a accord signed between the two countries, cause art 9 of japanese constitions prohibed them to maintain a national army, only a selfdefense army. Yes now the countries seem to have quite good relationships, and most of japan population are pacifists.
Plus after war the population quite blamed their gouvvernement too, for puting them in that awful situation and doing an useless war
@tatianaf1000 Instead of saying no you need to learn The Marshall Plas was gift to Europe that did not require Western Europe to pay it back. The fact is not one European nation attemped to pay it back in any form or manner period.
U should have seen my Aunt Winifred a US Naval Nurse + Jap POW from 1941 to 1945. She was in charge of 825 American women + 200 children who were interned by the Japs. They raped beat + whipped USA women while Jap Pedophiles murdered + raped their children while they were being slowly starved to death. At time of liberation there 204 American women left + 10 children left. 1500 American + Britsh POWS died every day from beatings, + slow starvations. Nukes saved 200,000 USA POW + UK POWS.
@LottoWinner999 Japanese war crimes and intransigence does not validate the use of Atomic Bombs - the official reason for the bombs was to shorten the war but Truman would have been aware that strategic bombing of civilians was illegal and did not produce the knock out punch to force a surrender in Europe or Japan - many Japanese leaders were tried and hung at the Tokyo War Crimes but not one USA leader was brought in to answer for the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
@majorgeeek What about the millions who dies by Jap bombings in China, Phillipines, Korea, Burma, Vietnam + all other Jap occupied nations? Truman warned the Japanese we had a super weapon and to evacuate their cities + Japs ignored him. Japs at that time life was cheap as long as it were it enemies. The Nukes were made to be used on Germany but the Krauts Unconditionally Surrendered + Japs refused to surrender + USA did not commit war crimes so up your fucking ass Major Geek! Japs deserved it!
@LottoWinner999 I have already told you Japanese war crimes and intransigence does not validate the use of Atomic Bombs - strategic bombing of civilians did not win the war in Europe and it did not cause the Japanese surrender - the Japanese knew they were beaten since Jan 1945 and had begun discussing terms of surrender similar to the official terms on 2 Sept - Hirohito said the Soviet invasion had bigger effect than the a bombs -
I know that France was under Germany Control, and that French elites and some part of population collaborated with to the nazis and rounding up jews, but there was too a active mouvement who resisted and refuse to surrender, plus lot of peoiple hiden jews in their houses, they had to do that clandistinly or will be killed, but still did that. Moulin for exemple was a resistant and died tortured by nazis cause he refused to give the names of his friends.
The atomic bombs killed an estimated 150,000 to 246,000 people. That's in the first few days. That's not including the uncountable deaths and lives completely destroyed by long-lasting effects caused by radiation that occurred after that. An estimated 20,000 korean POWs were also killed, ironically by the bomb.If you think that "saved lives," then go take your new-found patriotism and go shove it up your ass.
And i'm not lying, these are story facts, USA was the winner of the war in economic and political terms. They didn't need to rebuilt their cities destroyed by the war and it's a fact that the american war industry was selling armenent and weapons to different european countries.
@tatianaf1000 USA won WW2 + France was a collection of defeated of collaborators. The French have saying when going to war, "We Surrender + will be Nazi Germanys most compliant occupied nation". After Normandy Degaulle was last to get off the boat after shooting was over. De Gaulle was biggest coward of WW2 + don't forget that cuz its true + Patton said so! U ask what has to do with the Pacific? Well I am having fun reminding U of your French Heritage of Surrender 1ST + beg the Hun for Mercy!
contrary to others countries their territory stayed intact and their citizens spared. They werw not so morally affectd contrary to others countries including europe allies. Yes they did plan Marshall for Europe and give some money to help japan to rebuilt, but Europe and Japan had to give USA this money back, and give USA indimnity of war too. And if they helped them, it was for USA interest, not to be kind. Nobody is generous without interest.
USA were very popular after the war in western europa at leat until 90'S and they all thought that drop the bombs was the best too, and some still encourage that and learn that version in school. But things begin to change this last years, and when you study some events more properly your opinion is a bit different.
Japan still paid debts to USA and the countries they invaded, and Europe gave back to USA the money from Plan Marshall.
Anyone thinking realistically would know that the atomic bombs actually saved lives. A conventional invasion of Japan would have been the only other other option, and would've lead to MILLIONS not thousands of deaths more for both sides. The corrupt Japanesse government of the time was told directly to surrender or face total destruction. They foolishly refused. Spend your time learning about history rather than wandering around the internet looking for reasons to hate America.
I'm not so sure, the japanese troops were under the menace of both USA and URSS, and their troops were pratically defetead already. The japanese citizens werw not armed with guns and grenades as far as i know. I understand that USA wanted to finish war to spare their soldiers life, but involving citizens is never good.
Plus japan wanted to surrender, the US gouvernement just not wanted they did it with URSS(who were allies).
I have never been a fan of De Gaulle too, France was actually divided in two forces, the collaborators, and the resistants who refused to surrender to nazis. If De Gaulle was a part of the resistance (french story says that) or of the collaborators, i don't really know. Of course he won power of the cost of many lives and was notso good as people tend to portrait him in France, but i don't understand the sense of your comment, what have de Gaule doing with the war in pacific.
@tatianaf1000 Bullshit France Unconditionally Surrendered to Germany with Vichy France in south being the weakest while Germany plundered the whealthy Northern France for the Reich. French Underground was not active or effective till the end of 1943 + there will to many collaborators + French troops that fought for Nazi Germany. USA liberated France + fed starving French men, women + children + than Marshall Plan rebuilt Frances infrastructure + economy + France never said thank you America!!!
@tatianaf1000 BTW Germany occupied of all of France in 1943 and Hitlers biggest puppet and leader of France was Pierre Laval but he was hangds as Nazi War Criminal at the Nuremburg Trials. Read some history cuz if you a good job and try to politics they will laugh at U. The French were very active in rounding up Jews for Germanys Gas Chambers. Try reading a little bit I know U like the pictures but U learn more reading. De Gaulled had a real ego problem in Algerians + he was a bad as the Nazis.
the nuclear bombs each exploded over the city centers of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in an act of mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians, women and children - this is an act of war crime which puts Truman on par with the mass murderers Hitler and Stalin and worse than Saddam - lets hope only the USA remains in the minority of one member of the Nuclear Arms War Criminals Club
@majorgeeek Stop being a wad of Charmin Extra Strong Toilet Paper. For the record scientific facts state the Japs at Ground Zero to three miles out did not suffer any pain since they were vaporized in a matter of seconds. The secondary layer was very quick with the Japanese being microwaved in matter of 30 seconds. The next six miles and out had some issues and some survived and had time to think about 300,000 Americans murdered by the Japs + how they tortured + slowly starved American POWs!
Well, what better than to bomb Japan that committed so much atrocities and savagery in East Asia that they were trying to colonize, sneak attacked the U.S., and refused to surrender? The U.S. had every right reason to kill two birds with one stone by testing the atomic bomb and defeat the Japs. The Japs should be grateful that Tokyo wasn't nuked, too!
lol lol lol in ur dreamss all showed the truth that usa do that thing he is biggest terroist all the world against u and know the truth about u we don,t need ur fund ashole but ur gone in few years because now the world know u killed lots of innocent people every one know the attack of a world trade center was by it self usa no way too run just sit and watch now its now ur trun to die
Even after two nuclear attacks the Japanese were still willing to fight even in the face of more atomic bombings and a dual invasion by the United States and Soviet Union. Be grateful it ended the way it did.
@Kamownevery1 J. Robert Oppenheimer was haunted by what he saw, and saw no reason for an even more powerful H-bomb. He had long been under suspicion by the FBI for his leftist friends. He was stripped of his security clearances and kicked off the project.
@gordy321 sneak attack pearl harbor. rape of nanking. The Japanese in the internment camps were treated a great deal better than the allies in the Japanese POW camp the bomb put and ened to something the Allies did not start
@gordy321 Well, well, well; then you should consider yourself lucky that Indigenous Americans didn't throw every immigrant in America into a camp when WWI and WWII broke out. Your comparison is asinine. Just say the word when it's time to "start over". What are you anyway, seven fucking years old or something? Read some history for fucks sake.
@gordy321 Did the "right" thing; what "thing" would that be; the camps or the bombs? If you're speaking to the bombs, why not allow a preemptive strike beyond the boundaries of pearl harbor in the first place; that was not the directive and it was known intricate recon was being done on PH, if nothing else, and certain evidence suggests what was known went beyond that. Considering the foreign policy circumstances at the time, it was foreseeable if nothing else. No excuse for the camps at all.
@kentamitchell I'll simply state this. The circumstances surrounding those times would lend viability to an argument for some Japaneses animosity at the very least. Thoughts of a ground invasion would have been absurd, which leaves little other than an air attack or attacks on shipping activities. Further, I'm not left with the impression everyone knew nothing and don't believe that is what the facts and history demonstrate what is more. Beyond that, carriers at sea, etc., known recon, etc. No
@PawnBACM Your middle school English teacher must be discosolate about how you turned out.
*If* you read books that don't come with crayons, I'd recoomend Gordon Prange's "At Dawn We Slept" (which demolishes the PH conspiracy theories), Max Hastings' "Retribution" (on the last year of the Pacific War), William Manchester's "Goodbye, Darkness" (memoir of Okinawa '45), and Richard Frank's "Downfall" on the use of the bombs.
@kentamitchell I'm not going to argue with you about Guadalcanal or flying aces of WWI or WWI either. What exactly is your point? Only one of your suggested reading would seem to even speak to the issue at all and you haven't stated one thing that negates any contention I have made. 300 characters is what you tube allows, so sometimes things are abbreviated. If you are so goddamn smart and learned with respect to the matter, getting up to speed with my "gibberish" should've been a non-issue. FO
@gordy321 Actually Japan attacked the US because the US wasn't allowing Japan to take resources from Indochina. Japan is a volcanic country and is lacking in a lot of valuable resources needed to be a strong industrialized nation. Sanctioning them from those resources was as good as an act of war.
@lasoogneypubes Not quite. After J occupied all of French Indochina, FDR ordered an oil embargo 7/25/41. J could have withdrawn from China- or bought oil from USSR. Instead they chose war. They sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.
@gordy321 it was still an unnecessary show of force. however, the bomb did prevent Soviets from intervening in Japan, which would have caused a similar Commie/USA split that happened in Korea...so in a sick twisted way, the bomb saved japan from an even worse fate...still i don't even want to imagine what would happen if a nuke was dropped in my hometown
@fluffynoses Or, imagine the U.S. being invaded by the Japs who killed, raped, and enslaved impunity, like they did to other Asians. They fully deserved their atomic treatment.
@maddog4u31757 Oh, yes, that's where an almost intact zero fighter plane was found, also, that helped America figure out its strengths and weaknesses to build better fighter planes aginst it, wasn't it? We know whose side the heaven was on, obviously!
@coolasacoldsummer the only reason why the atomic bomb was created was through Albert Einsteins research america is an arrogant country to think it is any sort of power in the terms of engineering and overall scientific progression most of the reason for the war being won in japan was down to research from scientist in other countries defecting and the only reason why america reached the moon was due to german scientists research in astronomy and trajectory in space
Respond to this video... no i understand perfectly and no i do not hate america because i have a different opinion and i dont want to start a stupid flame war it.
@MrEdwardh20 LMAO and I assume Enrico Fermi, Robert Oppenheimer, Leo Szilard, Teller, Lorenz, The ENTIRE cities of Oak Ridge & Los Alamos had nothing to do with it?? I agree Einstein ( My personal hero) theories of Special & General relativity, allowed the theoretical framework for mass-energy conversion but applying that to the real world in a deliverable device was something Einstein himself admitted he wasn't creative enough to develop but the Manhattan project teams were.
@MrEdwardh20 Robert Oppenheimer born in NY City was the master genius who organzied Fermi, Szilard, Teller, Lorenz, Boethke + others who were on Hitlers death list. Europes Jewish Scientists fled Europe + became US Citizens after others refused them. Oppenheimer was the leader of the Manhatten Project + Little Britian lacked the Scientific Industrial Ability + know how to build an A-Bomb! So please keep your jealosy to yourself + be thankful that the USA saved Little Britain from Nazi defeat.
@MrEdwardh20 Your jealous Little Brit that take a cheap shot at the USA. Werner Von Braun an Employee as the Goddard Space Center at Nasa admitted German agents stole Robert Goddards design for the V-2 liquid fueled rocket. In1926 Robert Goddard designed, built + launched the worlds 1ST fueled rocket to exceed 500 MPH. Von Braun admitted he used Goddards rocket designs, gyroscopes, compressors that are used this very day on all modern rockets. Why do U hate America's scientific accomplishments?
@MrEdwardh20 Who taught to hate America? USA has saved Little Britain twice + if we did not come to your rescue in WW2 U be an enslaved population of Nazi Germany. Before, during and after WW2 American Aid and the USA Marshall Plann saved Little Britain from certain catstophic financial collapse. We fed, clothed + provided food for Brtain. USA families took in 5,000 under-nourished Brtish chidlren during the Blitz of London. Crown Jewels + Maga Carte were stored at Fort Knox + why di U hate USA?
Russia saved europe the URSS troops victory in Stalingrad was decisive. The US soldiers in Europe werw mostly volonteers, cause USA was still not in war until 1941 and the most of their men werw mobilised in the war against Japan.
USA win loads of money and became at time the first economical force partly because of the war. They were selling armement to all the countries including germany, UK, Italy, France, and even Japan (planes).
yeah, we have megatons of deadly MAN MADE plutonium on earth now, this plutonium is not natural because it's the most dangerous stuff we know. It will cause genetical diseases, cancer and change the genes of microorganism as well.
@LocalRandomz well you only thought. Japan was almost lose the war and ready to surrender but still they made the blast and kill thousands of people. I am not favoring anyone, but from the very first day America always kills the innocent people to show his power but he may not know that eventually one day every one falls down, that is the natural rule and They will pay for their deeds.
Japan attacked the US @ Pearl Harbor 12/7/41. US forces defeated the Japanese in every battle in the last 2 1/2 years of the war, but Japan refused to surrender. 3 hours after 'god/man' hirohito heard of Nagasaki, 'god/man' hirohito gave the order to surrender.
When General MacArthur got to Japan, he found it on the brink of famine. He cabled DC "Send me food or send me bullets". Prompt shipments of US grain averted mass starvation.
@kentamitchell You are heavily omitting the parts such like Japan was seeking peace through Russian's peace mediation, the USSR had also declared war against Japan right before the bomb was dropped in Nagasaki, and it was Japanese Emperor Hirohito who begged MacArthur not to starve people of Japan, and promised that He will give him anything he needs accomplishing that. I guess some people can only see what's more favorable to their opinions. Usually, such behavior are called "dreaming."
@onigoroshi442 "dreaming"? Indeed. Until H&N J govt was determined to hold on to its empire- ruling over Taiwan, Manchuria & Korea. It is important to remember that although J had approached USSR for mediation, they had not formulated any concrete peace terms. hitohito begged MacArthur to save J ppl from starvation? Ironic, since 'god/man' had led his ppl to that disasterous position.
@kentamitchell >Until H&N J govt was determined to hold on to its empire- ruling over Taiwan, Manchuria & Korea.
What makes you believe that? Too bad Japan couldn't realize that the US had already made much closer approach towards USSR way before Japan did. I don't know I can blame everything on the Emperor. Needless to say, the US has fair share of blame for causing the war. I understand that the US was all for going into war against Japan.
@BlueMagicEarth How much do you exactly know about the war? I am not here to make an accusation. Instead, I am here to share what I know and set things straight. I believe knowing more about the matter will lead us to better place. Anyhow, peace to you too!
i gotta say, i know many will think i'm being protective of the U.S. but if those bombs hadn't been dropped on Japan, what do you think would have happened?, tough question right, and by all logical senses, Japan would either be non existent or apart of the U.S.
i know i'll get hate for this but if those bombs hadn't been dropped millions of Japanese people would have died through harsh war, and that in turn says that the atom bomb did as much good as it did bad
@tigran914 that makes a lot of sense...maybe we should just drop nuclear bombs before wars to prevent deaths.....We should of dropped one on north vietnam and one in korea. If you think that what you'resaying is correct then it should always apply....
@tito8512 actually it only makes sense for Japan, in Korea and Vietnam, the leaders were cowards who would never fight for their country, and the civilians of Japan were all ready to fight and die for their land, not the case in any war the U.S. has ever been in, the Japanese would have fought tooth and nail to the end, Koreans and Vietnamese soldiers were fighting for their country but unlike in Japan, they weren't anywhere near as great a warring nation, Japan was
@tigran914 There is no difference.We lost the war in vietnam just for that same reason,they kept fighting.You do know that we lost the war in vietnam don't you? Dont try to defend your shitty argument when you really have no basis. According to you we should just drop nuclear bombs in every conflict to "save lifes". If we were to be attacked by a foreign country in U.S soil, dont you think we would fight till the end?? I think so.should our enemies drop a nuclear bomb on us because we wont quit?
@tito8512 you misunderstand, Japan was the entire country fighting, everyone was backing the fighting and everyone was apart of it, in Vietnam most of the Vietnamese didn't want to fight, they agreed with the Americans and American ideals, in Japan their leader was completely trusted and everyone in the country would have fought, and comparing Vietnams leaders with Japans isn't even possible the Japanese PM was a soldier himself, in Vietnam the leader was a rich politician, different cases
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supermonkeyyyyyy 1 week ago in playlist Hiroshima
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Vocês americanos falam que o Iran é insanos mais foram vocês que jogaram a primeira bomba atômica no mundo em seres humanos os estados Unidos é pais que mais fez guerra no mundo, vocês não são invejados e sim detestados por muitas nações e ainda sim vivem cometendo erros até quando,tá na hora de respeitar ainda mais outras nações seus covardes
flaviolima86 3 weeks ago
seeing them clapping make me so angry. ( 2:42 )
heSSamARC 4 weeks ago
@heSSamARC you mad?
crbassassin 3 weeks ago
It was estimated that it would have cost over one million U.S. casualties--and four times or more as many Japanese to invade and conquer Japans home islands.--the bombs were the better choice.
Any offers of surrender should have been dismissed. The Empire of Japans duplicity leading up to Pearl Harbor was well known.
351460 1 month ago
@351460 Rossevelt's duplicity leading up to Pearl Harbor is also known
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@majorgeeek Politicians tend to be duplicitios; FDR more than most; but if you're going to argue that FDR knew of PH in advance you really need a new tinfoil hat.
kentamitchell 1 month ago in playlist Hiroshima
@kentamitchell no politician plays fair dice with world history when it comes to wars - - Japan gearing up for war was obvious even to a blind man - interesting Mac Arthur's biggest bungle in the jungle six hours after PH was totally out of character? if not why wasn't he sacked but was offered a bonus ?
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@majorgeeek If you'd read William Manchester's "American Caesar" you'd know the answer to that question.
kentamitchell 1 month ago
@kentamitchell You do not need to read a book, you need to read several books to get the facts right and understand how to study history in context. "Dugout Doug" gained his nickname as a snivelling coward by skulking in the bowels of Corregidor while valiant American and Philippino troops threw stones at the Japanese on Bataan. My dog could have planned a better defense read The Question of MacArthur's Reputation by Chatillon
majorgeeek 4 weeks ago
@majorgeeek Your dog knows better than to believe Walter Trohan's hoax.
kentamitchell 4 weeks ago
@kentamitchell which hoax??
majorgeeek 4 weeks ago
@kentamitchell Trohan's scoop on Mac Arthur's 40 page memorandum was on the front pages of both the Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald 19 Aug. The article was never retracted nor was a public apology posted - like wise the authenticity of the article was never challenged by Washington or the White House - yet the legal penalties of printing falsehoods against a President in the US are monumental suggest it was no hoax
majorgeeek 3 weeks ago
@majorgeeek "Legal penalties of printing falsehoods against a President"? /
Do tell: WHAT legal penalties??? /
Read theTogo-Sato cables. Sato recommended surrender w/1 condition (retain E) Togo rejected that advice.
Explain: why did J govt offer better terms in 1/45 than they did >6 months later?
Why didn't Togo reply, "that is what we offered the US back in January?"
Why no mention of such an offer in MAGIC intercepts?
Why no mention EVER by MacArthur, Leahy, any UK official, or any J?
kentamitchell 3 weeks ago
@kentamitchell Truman could have brought defamation actions against The Tribune but didn't or, he could have called a news conference to refute Trohan's allegations but didn't or he could have sent the Secret Service knocking on some doors, could be or perhaps he offered a deal Mac Arthur couldn't refuse? - specifically Sato only "rejected" the term unconditional surrender - "why no mention" of a White house denial of Trohan's scoop and MacArthur's 40 page memorandum?
majorgeeek 3 weeks ago
@majorgeeek No American President has sued for last in the past century. Trohan's story was so obviously bogus, nobody bothered commenting on it.
Strange that neither MacArthur norany member of hisstaff kept acopy of the (alledged) Macmemo.
kentamitchell 2 weeks ago in playlist Hiroshima
@kentamitchell if the story was "bogus" that nobody bothered commenting - where did you get that tit bit of info? your rehab nurse? - unless Trohan got his scoop from Nostradamus or in fact Leahy via Mac Memo, he had no other way of knowing the Emperor would be spared and become a "puppet in the hands of American forces" and that Truman's demands for unconditional surrender were a smoke screen - Truman was a poor bankrupt why didn't he sue the papers for millions of dollars??
majorgeeek 2 weeks ago
@majorgeeek 1. Actually, Professor Emeritus Williamson Murray (who co wrotemy comprehensive exam for my MA) commented on Trohan's claims quote they're bullshit endquote
2. Truman went bankrupt in *1921*. My best guess is that HST decided he didn't care to get in a pissing fight with a skunk.
As I pointed out, no US President has sued for libel in more than a century.
kentamitchell 2 weeks ago
@kentamitchell Truman would have sued the Tribune and Gen MacArthur to get a retraction and apology and that would have been the end of the matter - maybe there was good reason for him to avoid a piss fight in court? - "Trohan's claims" what claims? - Trohan is a reporter
majorgeeek 2 weeks ago
@majorgeeek Geekboy,go find a copy of the"MacMemo". Until you find it shut the fuck up.
kentamitchell 1 week ago in playlist Hiroshima
@kentamitchell I have never heard a history MA swear like that - I also doubt Prof Williamson used the word "bullshit" unless he meant you
majorgeeek 1 week ago
@majorgeeek LOL! Professor Murray is a Yale PhD, and yes, his *exact* response to the Trohan column was "that's bullshit"
You've never heard a graduate student swear. I guess you have spent VERY little time at college. Why don't you try to find ONE college professor who thinks the Trohan story is true.
kentamitchell 1 week ago in playlist Hiroshima
@majorgeeek LOL! Geekboy, you really can't get ANYTHING right: it is Professor William Murray. Professor Murray. Not Professor Williamson.
PS get a copy of the Macmemo or STFU!
kentamitchell 3 hours ago
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@kentamitchell you wrote "Actually, Professor Emeritus Williamson Murray (who co wrotemy comprehensive exam for my MA) commented on Trohan's claims quote they're bullshit endquote" two weeks ago? must be another of your BS stories?
- you seem obsessed with the MacMemo why don't you "get a copy" or won't your jihad allow you?
majorgeeek 2 hours ago
@kentamitchell Trohan's article shows that the war in the Pacific could have been over by the early Spring and that Roosevelt had sent thousands of American boys to needless deaths at Iwo Jima and Okinawa as Truman would later do to hundreds of thousands of civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is serious accusation against the President yet he sat back and virtually did nothing it seems to challenge the article
majorgeeek 3 weeks ago
@351460 I can't believe the level of stupidity displayed by US by insisting on using "unconditional surrender" and atom bombs as revenge weapons - it damaged US self interests in Europe and Asia by giving the communists more time to advance into Europe and Manchuria, Korea as well as China - an earlier conditional surrender with Japan would have allowed US to use Japan's Kwantong army and 1.5 million Jap troops in China and US atomic monopoly would have kept the commies out
majorgeeek 1 month ago
so who has Battlefield 3?!
Madara2233 1 month ago
Even if the pilots regretead and i'm sure a lot regreted, at that time because of secret war and the propaganda they could'nt say otherwise. Even now don't forget that the AB is still a very polemic subjet, and that even today a lot of things remained secret, do you know that the true first documentaries about the bomb came in the last 70's? USA troops stationed in japan prohibited journalist to enter in the zone bomb and to get informations about the bomb? TThey had something to hide.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 25 men flew on the Enola Gay & Bock's Car. None of them ever expressed any regret.
kentamitchell 1 month ago
wihout compting that japanese war infrastructure suffered many lost and damage, the game was already done. We know the japanese soldier spirit to fight until death and never surender, but even with that, they had no chances.
Without conunting that hiroto was preparing plans to surender and, yes civilains deaths were sacrificated. It was most a testing and show URSS they have the AB than save lifes. iF it was realy for saving lifes truman would have not lied and hide things about the nuke
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
I Think 2.3 million is exagerated, the japanese strategy was to send most of soldiers they had to defend the islands USA wanted to take, Okinawa, iwo jima, etc, of course they have some sodiers defending the home islands, like another normal army would have, but 2 million? I read their number was about 500 000 1 million something like that.
Don't forget the different bombing in the japanese cities were destined to destroy military bases, so they weren't so poweful
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 You think 2.3 million is exagerated? DO SOME RESEARCH! 2.3 million j troops surrendered in the Home Islands, 1.3 million in China, 600,000 in SE Asia surrendered to Lord Mountbatten.
"the bombs were useless"?We dropped 2 bombs in 3 days. 15 after after "Fat Man" exploded, 'god/man' hirohito gave the surrender order to his cabinet. Res ipsa loquitor!
kentamitchell 1 month ago in playlist Hiroshima
@kentamitchell
I know Tiberts never regretead droping the bomb, and was even happy, but like you said the bombs didn't end the war as the war continued. Japanese troops were about 7 millions in early 1945, the us about 11 million. About 2-3 millions were stationed in china and other occupied land, about 1 mio died in combat, 1 mio fighting, so nit's possible their are 2 million, but us troops were with the deaths, the pow, the ones who went to china and others lands about at last 5 mio.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 8am 8/6/45 Hiroshima
8/8/45 11am Nagasaki
8/10/45 2am hirohito gave the surrender order to his cabinet
kentamitchell 1 month ago
@kentamitchell
Official japanese rendition is 15 august, but conflit continues with URSS until end august.
I still think it was not the best way to end the war, they had already lost and they knew it. Having URSS and USA both behind their back, they 'll lose anyway.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@kentamitchell the Japanese War Council or the Big Six was unanimously passed to accept unconditional surrender on Aug 14 following heated debates, attempted coup d tat in which the bombings played minor role - in fact several members of the Six were not swayed at all - the USA accepted conditional surrender same as the one Japan offered back in Feb 1945 - so why did USA do an about face after 6 months of stalling?
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@majorgeeek There was NO offer in 2/45. You have swallowed Walter Trohan's hoax,hook,line & sinker.
kentamitchell 1 month ago
@kentamitchell Trohan's article "Chicago Tribune, August 19,1945 Japs Asked For Peace In Jan, Envoys on Way - Tokyo" regarding MacArthur' s memorandum to Roosevelt was confirmed by MacArthur himself - Truman never denied any part of the article which he would have if it was untrue - it 's uthenticity is backed up by the Japanese approaches for peace through Sweden and Soviet as well as US decodes of Japanese messages - where did you read it was a hoax?
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@majorgeeek 1. No mention by MacArthur- not on active duty or in retirement or by any member of his staff.
2. No mention by Adm. Leahy (supposedly he leaked it)
3. No mention by any Japanese official interrogated after the war (& there were HUNDREDS) 4.No mention by any BRITISH official (supposedly offers came to the Brits as well)
5. Japanese make a DIPLOMATIC offer thru an American GENERAL? What's wrong with this picture?
kentamitchell 1 month ago
@kentamitchell the article did not say the Japanese made a diplomatic offer through MacArthur - where did you read this? - you ask "What's wrong with this picture?" - you either can't read or you suffer selective amnesia? dunno
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@majorgeeek I read it in Walter Trohan's book "Political Animals"
kentamitchell 1 month ago in playlist Hiroshima
@kentamitchell well I am not a mind reader - how about some more info loke listing a page number or perhaps even a quote which confirms your statement "Japanese make a DIPLOMATIC offer thru an American GENERAL?" - which general and which offer?
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@majorgeeek You're not a mindreader? Apparently you're not a bookreader either.
Which General? Gee, we've been mentioning MacArthur in the past several entries. Trohan claims in the 10th chapter of "Political Animals" that MacArthur forwarded a 40 page memo to FDR before Yalta- in which J govt supposed made an*offer* to surrender w/1 condition) which FDR & Truman supposedly ignored.
kentamitchell 1 month ago in playlist Hiroshima
@kentamitchell you have missed my point - since you have lied about Trohan's article before claiming he said it was a hoax - could you please supply a quote and pg number where Trohan says the J govt "supposedly" made an offer
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@majorgeeek LOL! Sounds like a spoiled 5 year old throwing a tantrum. What Ihave pointed out from Day One is that Walter Trohan perpetrated a hoax- which you have swallowed,hook,line & sinker. See pp 221-222 of "Political Animals".Of course Trohan never admitted his fraud- even though he lived to be 100.
kentamitchell 1 month ago
@kentamitchell you lied about Trohan's article before claiming he said it was a hoax - I repeat - could you please supply a quote and pg number where Trohan says the J govt "supposedly" made an offer of surrender
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@majorgeeek Trohan lists the terms that he claims J govt offered on pp221-222. He says that was a genuine offer; I say it was a complete hoax.
kentamitchell 1 month ago in playlist Hiroshima
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@kentamitchell clearly you must be lying or Trohan, MacArthur & Leahy are lying ? - - you inferred their story was revealed as a hoax and quoted from Trohan's book which you now admit the hoax is your opinion - the fact that Trohan's story was unchallenged by Truman and the Govt - MacArthur verified the story as true - is sufficient to believe that your claim of a hoax is a lie and a slur on the memory of these famous people
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@majorgeeek Don't you find it a bit odd that if Japan made an offer of surrender w/1 condition in FEBRUARY, when JAmbUSSR Sato made that same recommendation in 7/45, JForMin Togo repeatedly rejected it? And when Sato asked Togo to give a list of peace terms,on 8/2/45 Togodidn't say- oh, you know- what we offered in February.
If J made such an offer, why didn't they do on the radio & announce it to the world-like the Allies did w/t Potsdam declaration?
kentamitchell 1 month ago
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@kentamitchell
Yesi doubt because
1. Their army was almost destroyed (even US parlement members and US cabinet members close to Truman admited that and said the bomb was useless), and the soldiers who droped the bomb regreted that later.
2. Their equimement was not so sophistiqued as USA and cross all the pacif ocean was impossible for them
3. They could have lanced a third attack in pearl harbour and completly destroy us navy, but they didn't cause there are to many risks, they were limited
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
USA werw very popular in Europe, from the 40 until the 90's, but their obession of being the lords, the justiciers of the world, always being obcessed to participate in the others affairs and being obcessed by showing the world they are the biggest military and econimic force costed them this popularity. The 2003 war just made the things getting worse, and now USa is one of the most hated country in the world, more than japan and Germany, US gvnmt provocated that hate. Sad isn't it?
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
The war is decided by a minority, the american and japanese gvnmt decided that, not the civilians, because for american gouvernement enter in waris still profitable, they could make easy money in the back of their own citizens, they decide that but they are not the ones who sufer (the families ofthe soldiers and the soldiers tehmselves sufer for making them rich), that's how the things work, for more than 3 centuries us gvnmt is making money from war, sad...
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
japan war very far having the nuke, and if they have i doubt they would have used it, cause in terms of strategy there was many risk. Crossing all the pacific to bomb USA cities, the chances of that happening were minimal.
The problem with americans is that they have a too binal vision of history (bad vs good ones when in realty is not like that, the war itself is a crime and all the parts comited crimes, it's too easy to overexpose the crimes of the others to hide the crimes the others comited
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 You doubt the Japanese would have used nukes? They didn't have any scruples about killing >10 million Chinese civilians.
kentamitchell 1 month ago
@kentamitchell
Yesi doubt because
1. Their army was almost destroyed (even US parlement members and US cabinet members close to Truman admited that and said the bomb was useless), and the soldiers who droped the bomb regreted that later.
2. Their equimement was not so sophistiqued as USA and cross all the pacif ocean was impossible for them
3. They could have lanced a third attack in pearl harbour and completly destroy us navy, but they didn't cause there are to many risks, they were limited
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 HISTORY LESSON TIME! Paul Tibbets, the pilot of the Enola Gay, died Nov 1, 2007 @ the age of 92.He never expressed any regret; rather, he was proud that his unit did so much to shorten the war. The navigator the Enola Gay, van Kirk is still alive- he has no regrets- and neither did any crewmember of the Enola Gay or Bock's Car.
kentamitchell 1 month ago in playlist Hiroshima
One ofthe reason USA used the bomb, it was to stop URSS ambitions, end the war? The war was pratically over with japanese troops being assaulted by both URSS and USA they were pratically destroyed. Plus URSS invaded japanese south asian colonies so the japanese army was controling nothing. Even if USa troops had to invade japanese islands do you think the population will ressisted that much? Men with guns and bombs vs children and women with wooden swords, the fight'll last maximum ten minutes.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 I recommend you read William Manchester's "Goodbye, Darkness" His USMC rgt fought on Okinawa 4-6/45 & took 81% casualties. (Manchester was wounded twice). Nevermind the militias- J Army had 2.3 million troops defending the Home Islands.
Okinawa's garrison was 2 reinf J divisions. Kyushu's garrison was *14*.
240,734 died on Okinawa. Do the math.
kentamitchell 1 month ago
Everybody know about japanese soldiers cruelty in thei prisonier champs and i'm sorry for your aunt and the others 1000 american civilians who died, but usa werw not angels as you descibe them, and some german and japanese soldiers were brutaly executed too. Still the army actions doen't justify USA bombing innnocent populations, no matter of what, the allies bombs caused 1 million victims in japan and 3 million in germany, for countries who symbolise justice and peace it's too much.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
maybe europe teach violence and stated the WW, butUSa lived by war and finished them (in the two WW they sold armement too both parties and grew up thier economy by that.
The plan Marshall was not a gift, it was a help, but it was in uSA interest , europe had to be in USA champ during the cold war and support them, and supply them by different marchandise.
How many victims in the cold war because of URSS and USA excentricity? It's knoe they had confort women in vietnam too.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
They bought the informations of the unit 731 and tested them once in north korean villages, they actually have in their armement lots of chimical bombs, atomik bombs, etc, they volontary armed south america milices in panama and other south american milices and provocated conflicts in the region by that, now they used 9/11 as an excuse to invade irak and afghanistan shoting innocent women and children, the guntanamo torture and in irak etc.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
USA made pace with indians? Perhaps now, but in the XVIII XIX and at the begening of XX century it was not like that, they were delibery murdererd so the americains peaseans could steal their lands. I learn enough about crimes europe commited slavery, colonisation, forced work, etc, and don't hide that, but if you think just cause USA won the WWII are better you are so wrong.
Americains killed chinese too in WWII with their strategic bombs.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@LottoWinner999
Yes De Gaulle was bad in Algeria i know that, i read enough books to know that, but i didn't deny the bad France or europeans countries did to the others, the problem is that lot of americains think that the horrors they commited (native indians mass murder, villages destruction during the cold war, killing innocent citizens in irak and afghanistan, etc) is always justified when none violent act against innocent populations is justified, that's dangerous.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
I'm sorry for your aunt where was she prisonnier in China? I heard to some histories USA troops raped women in japan and asia, war is just awful and you can't say one is totally black or white.
These events should not be forgetten not to maintain hate to the others but for they never happen again. You americains should understand that what annoys people is the fact that you will always make yourself pass by a clean, exemplar nation, when you are not better than the others
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 My Aunt Winifred was a US Naval Nurse taken prisoner at Corregidor. She said Japs were cruelest people upon Earth. The Jap Army commanders encouraged using captured Amercan women as Comfort Women. Just Google Japanese Comfort Women + learn how Jap soldiers were taught brutaility + to rape, murder + beat US women to death. My Aunt was a witness at a Jap War Crimes trial + the Americans that liberated her + others often dispensed immediate court martain + execution of Jap soldirs!
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 Europeans have taught the world brutality + USA is pissed cuz Britain & France start wars with Germany + than beg USA to rescue them. WW1 was caused by all of U just itching to fight.At Versaille President Wilson warned all of U an unfair peace with Germany would cause WW2. Its Europeans who invaded + enslaved nations out of greed. Europeans established slavery + murder of Native Americans. USA fought bloodiest Civil War in history to stop slavery + we made peace with Indians!
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
@LottoWinner999
Seems that USA and Europe have different ways to teach history because I learn USA started civil war not for end slavery but for economical reasons. The number of japanese victims is about 30 million in south asia, its already a lot, i know about cruelty in japanese camps but their citizens where not resposnible, it's know most of them knew japan will lose and though the war was unecesary, but theiur gouvernement doesn't care.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
Bombing civilians is bad no matter what their army do, they are not responsible, if you count 300 000 soldiers and 1000 citizens from USA died in the war, and 1 million japanese civilans died from USA and URSS bombs, plus the bombs didin't stop war, countined for three weeks, USA feared URSS and didn't want japan to negociate with them and feared comunism, their relations were degradating. USA wanted to show are the strongest, some historians think that was the mian reason the bomb was used.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 China was USA Ally, from 1937-1945 Japs murdered 60 million Chinese. In Phillipines Japs murdered 4 million Phillipinos classifed as American citizens. Japs murdered another 25 million in Jap occupied nations. USA used the Nukes cuz we learned Japs were going murder all USA POWS on 1/19/1945. Every day 1500 USA POWS died from slow starvation. Those Nukes saved USA POW + my Aunt who said she could not last 30 days. Nukes saved millions if condemned people in Jap occupied nation!s
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 The main reason was to bring immediate end to WW2 cuz Japs refused to surrender. Nukse were used cuz 1500 USA POWS died every day from slow starvation + they saved British + Chinese POWS. U should watch "Unit 731" on Utube to learn how evil Japs were. U should watch "Japans Atomic Bomb Part 1" + learn they were very close to having the Atomic Bomb by 4 to 8 weeks. Do U think the Japs with the Atomic would have beem kind + caring? If Japs had Nukes we would be dead or enslaved.
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
Japan are still paying the USA troops stationed in japanese bases (Okinawa for the most), but i think it's part of a accord signed between the two countries, cause art 9 of japanese constitions prohibed them to maintain a national army, only a selfdefense army. Yes now the countries seem to have quite good relationships, and most of japan population are pacifists.
Plus after war the population quite blamed their gouvvernement too, for puting them in that awful situation and doing an useless war
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 Instead of saying no you need to learn The Marshall Plas was gift to Europe that did not require Western Europe to pay it back. The fact is not one European nation attemped to pay it back in any form or manner period.
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
U should have seen my Aunt Winifred a US Naval Nurse + Jap POW from 1941 to 1945. She was in charge of 825 American women + 200 children who were interned by the Japs. They raped beat + whipped USA women while Jap Pedophiles murdered + raped their children while they were being slowly starved to death. At time of liberation there 204 American women left + 10 children left. 1500 American + Britsh POWS died every day from beatings, + slow starvations. Nukes saved 200,000 USA POW + UK POWS.
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
@LottoWinner999 Japanese war crimes and intransigence does not validate the use of Atomic Bombs - the official reason for the bombs was to shorten the war but Truman would have been aware that strategic bombing of civilians was illegal and did not produce the knock out punch to force a surrender in Europe or Japan - many Japanese leaders were tried and hung at the Tokyo War Crimes but not one USA leader was brought in to answer for the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@majorgeeek What about the millions who dies by Jap bombings in China, Phillipines, Korea, Burma, Vietnam + all other Jap occupied nations? Truman warned the Japanese we had a super weapon and to evacuate their cities + Japs ignored him. Japs at that time life was cheap as long as it were it enemies. The Nukes were made to be used on Germany but the Krauts Unconditionally Surrendered + Japs refused to surrender + USA did not commit war crimes so up your fucking ass Major Geek! Japs deserved it!
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
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@LottoWinner999 I have already told you Japanese war crimes and intransigence does not validate the use of Atomic Bombs - strategic bombing of civilians did not win the war in Europe and it did not cause the Japanese surrender - the Japanese knew they were beaten since Jan 1945 and had begun discussing terms of surrender similar to the official terms on 2 Sept - Hirohito said the Soviet invasion had bigger effect than the a bombs -
majorgeeek 1 month ago
@LottoWinner999
I know that France was under Germany Control, and that French elites and some part of population collaborated with to the nazis and rounding up jews, but there was too a active mouvement who resisted and refuse to surrender, plus lot of peoiple hiden jews in their houses, they had to do that clandistinly or will be killed, but still did that. Moulin for exemple was a resistant and died tortured by nazis cause he refused to give the names of his friends.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
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The atomic bombs killed an estimated 150,000 to 246,000 people. That's in the first few days. That's not including the uncountable deaths and lives completely destroyed by long-lasting effects caused by radiation that occurred after that. An estimated 20,000 korean POWs were also killed, ironically by the bomb.If you think that "saved lives," then go take your new-found patriotism and go shove it up your ass.
theTicklemehellmo 1 month ago
And i'm not lying, these are story facts, USA was the winner of the war in economic and political terms. They didn't need to rebuilt their cities destroyed by the war and it's a fact that the american war industry was selling armenent and weapons to different european countries.
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LottoWinner999 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 USA won WW2 + France was a collection of defeated of collaborators. The French have saying when going to war, "We Surrender + will be Nazi Germanys most compliant occupied nation". After Normandy Degaulle was last to get off the boat after shooting was over. De Gaulle was biggest coward of WW2 + don't forget that cuz its true + Patton said so! U ask what has to do with the Pacific? Well I am having fun reminding U of your French Heritage of Surrender 1ST + beg the Hun for Mercy!
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
contrary to others countries their territory stayed intact and their citizens spared. They werw not so morally affectd contrary to others countries including europe allies. Yes they did plan Marshall for Europe and give some money to help japan to rebuilt, but Europe and Japan had to give USA this money back, and give USA indimnity of war too. And if they helped them, it was for USA interest, not to be kind. Nobody is generous without interest.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 The USA forgave Japan its war debt! Look it up and read.
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
@LottoWinner999
USA were very popular after the war in western europa at leat until 90'S and they all thought that drop the bombs was the best too, and some still encourage that and learn that version in school. But things begin to change this last years, and when you study some events more properly your opinion is a bit different.
Japan still paid debts to USA and the countries they invaded, and Europe gave back to USA the money from Plan Marshall.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
Anyone thinking realistically would know that the atomic bombs actually saved lives. A conventional invasion of Japan would have been the only other other option, and would've lead to MILLIONS not thousands of deaths more for both sides. The corrupt Japanesse government of the time was told directly to surrender or face total destruction. They foolishly refused. Spend your time learning about history rather than wandering around the internet looking for reasons to hate America.
MrUSAGameplay 2 months ago
@MrUSAGameplay
I'm not so sure, the japanese troops were under the menace of both USA and URSS, and their troops were pratically defetead already. The japanese citizens werw not armed with guns and grenades as far as i know. I understand that USA wanted to finish war to spare their soldiers life, but involving citizens is never good.
Plus japan wanted to surrender, the US gouvernement just not wanted they did it with URSS(who were allies).
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
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LottoWinner999 1 month ago
@LottoWinner999
I have never been a fan of De Gaulle too, France was actually divided in two forces, the collaborators, and the resistants who refused to surrender to nazis. If De Gaulle was a part of the resistance (french story says that) or of the collaborators, i don't really know. Of course he won power of the cost of many lives and was notso good as people tend to portrait him in France, but i don't understand the sense of your comment, what have de Gaule doing with the war in pacific.
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 Bullshit France Unconditionally Surrendered to Germany with Vichy France in south being the weakest while Germany plundered the whealthy Northern France for the Reich. French Underground was not active or effective till the end of 1943 + there will to many collaborators + French troops that fought for Nazi Germany. USA liberated France + fed starving French men, women + children + than Marshall Plan rebuilt Frances infrastructure + economy + France never said thank you America!!!
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
@tatianaf1000 BTW Germany occupied of all of France in 1943 and Hitlers biggest puppet and leader of France was Pierre Laval but he was hangds as Nazi War Criminal at the Nuremburg Trials. Read some history cuz if you a good job and try to politics they will laugh at U. The French were very active in rounding up Jews for Germanys Gas Chambers. Try reading a little bit I know U like the pictures but U learn more reading. De Gaulled had a real ego problem in Algerians + he was a bad as the Nazis.
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
SIck American zionist fucks should be killed like this, not innocent women and children.
srdjankovic 2 months ago
the nuclear bombs each exploded over the city centers of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in an act of mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians, women and children - this is an act of war crime which puts Truman on par with the mass murderers Hitler and Stalin and worse than Saddam - lets hope only the USA remains in the minority of one member of the Nuclear Arms War Criminals Club
majorgeeek 2 months ago
@majorgeeek Stop being a wad of Charmin Extra Strong Toilet Paper. For the record scientific facts state the Japs at Ground Zero to three miles out did not suffer any pain since they were vaporized in a matter of seconds. The secondary layer was very quick with the Japanese being microwaved in matter of 30 seconds. The next six miles and out had some issues and some survived and had time to think about 300,000 Americans murdered by the Japs + how they tortured + slowly starved American POWs!
LottoWinner999 1 month ago
Well, what better than to bomb Japan that committed so much atrocities and savagery in East Asia that they were trying to colonize, sneak attacked the U.S., and refused to surrender? The U.S. had every right reason to kill two birds with one stone by testing the atomic bomb and defeat the Japs. The Japs should be grateful that Tokyo wasn't nuked, too!
SuperYT4Ever 2 months ago
I wish the US had the tsar bomb back then. They would have completely destroyed their blood thirsty country.
DeviousBetrayer 2 months ago
lol lol lol in ur dreamss all showed the truth that usa do that thing he is biggest terroist all the world against u and know the truth about u we don,t need ur fund ashole but ur gone in few years because now the world know u killed lots of innocent people every one know the attack of a world trade center was by it self usa no way too run just sit and watch now its now ur trun to die
tahashahbaz 3 months ago
@tahashahbaz *DUDE*, it's called Spellcheck.
Some pakis are SO silly.
Go play with your 72 virgis, Kamel!
kentamitchell 3 months ago in playlist Hiroshima
Even after two nuclear attacks the Japanese were still willing to fight even in the face of more atomic bombings and a dual invasion by the United States and Soviet Union. Be grateful it ended the way it did.
krisstopher07 4 months ago
Damn It seems like the scientific director Robert had it heavy. I may have thought the same way.
Kamownevery1 5 months ago
@Kamownevery1 J. Robert Oppenheimer was haunted by what he saw, and saw no reason for an even more powerful H-bomb. He had long been under suspicion by the FBI for his leftist friends. He was stripped of his security clearances and kicked off the project.
ImperialistRunningDo 4 months ago
BBC, thanks for this.... I use clips in my history classes.....
MrSunlander 5 months ago 16
@MrSunlander me too :)
lukikoki 2 months ago
When they blow up the swastika at 3:27, that, that was beautiful. Pure poetry.
aeriescannonfodder 5 months ago
pearl harbour
gordy321 6 months ago
@gordy321 Export Control Act.
MusaMansu 5 months ago
@gordy321 sneak attack pearl harbor. rape of nanking. The Japanese in the internment camps were treated a great deal better than the allies in the Japanese POW camp the bomb put and ened to something the Allies did not start
gordy321 5 months ago 9
@gordy321 Well, well, well; then you should consider yourself lucky that Indigenous Americans didn't throw every immigrant in America into a camp when WWI and WWII broke out. Your comparison is asinine. Just say the word when it's time to "start over". What are you anyway, seven fucking years old or something? Read some history for fucks sake.
PawnBACM 3 months ago
@PawnBACM
The US did the right thing.
Read history ?
9/11 conspiracy? You are the 7 year old idiot
F this f that Typical internet idiot
gordy321 3 months ago
@gordy321 Did the "right" thing; what "thing" would that be; the camps or the bombs? If you're speaking to the bombs, why not allow a preemptive strike beyond the boundaries of pearl harbor in the first place; that was not the directive and it was known intricate recon was being done on PH, if nothing else, and certain evidence suggests what was known went beyond that. Considering the foreign policy circumstances at the time, it was foreseeable if nothing else. No excuse for the camps at all.
PawnBACM 3 months ago
@PawnBACM FYI when Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox got the news of Pearl Harbor, his 1st reaction was "This must mean the Philippines"
No one had expected an air strike on Pearl Harbor.
kentamitchell 3 months ago in playlist Hiroshima
@kentamitchell I'll simply state this. The circumstances surrounding those times would lend viability to an argument for some Japaneses animosity at the very least. Thoughts of a ground invasion would have been absurd, which leaves little other than an air attack or attacks on shipping activities. Further, I'm not left with the impression everyone knew nothing and don't believe that is what the facts and history demonstrate what is more. Beyond that, carriers at sea, etc., known recon, etc. No
PawnBACM 3 months ago
@PawnBACM Can ANYONE translate that gibberish into ENGLISH???
kentamitchell 3 months ago
@kentamitchell I don't have time to teach you how to read, write, add , and subtract. Have a nice life.
PawnBACM 3 months ago
@PawnBACM Your middle school English teacher must be discosolate about how you turned out.
*If* you read books that don't come with crayons, I'd recoomend Gordon Prange's "At Dawn We Slept" (which demolishes the PH conspiracy theories), Max Hastings' "Retribution" (on the last year of the Pacific War), William Manchester's "Goodbye, Darkness" (memoir of Okinawa '45), and Richard Frank's "Downfall" on the use of the bombs.
kentamitchell 3 months ago
@kentamitchell I'm not going to argue with you about Guadalcanal or flying aces of WWI or WWI either. What exactly is your point? Only one of your suggested reading would seem to even speak to the issue at all and you haven't stated one thing that negates any contention I have made. 300 characters is what you tube allows, so sometimes things are abbreviated. If you are so goddamn smart and learned with respect to the matter, getting up to speed with my "gibberish" should've been a non-issue. FO
PawnBACM 3 months ago
@gordy321 Actually Japan attacked the US because the US wasn't allowing Japan to take resources from Indochina. Japan is a volcanic country and is lacking in a lot of valuable resources needed to be a strong industrialized nation. Sanctioning them from those resources was as good as an act of war.
lasoogneypubes 3 months ago
@lasoogneypubes Not quite. After J occupied all of French Indochina, FDR ordered an oil embargo 7/25/41. J could have withdrawn from China- or bought oil from USSR. Instead they chose war. They sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.
kentamitchell 3 months ago in playlist Hiroshima
@gordy321 it was still an unnecessary show of force. however, the bomb did prevent Soviets from intervening in Japan, which would have caused a similar Commie/USA split that happened in Korea...so in a sick twisted way, the bomb saved japan from an even worse fate...still i don't even want to imagine what would happen if a nuke was dropped in my hometown
fluffynoses 2 months ago
@fluffynoses Or, imagine the U.S. being invaded by the Japs who killed, raped, and enslaved impunity, like they did to other Asians. They fully deserved their atomic treatment.
SuperYT4Ever 2 months ago
@SuperYT4Ever They actually did invade the U.S. - They invaded Alaska and had it for a short time. Not many people know that.
maddog4u31757 2 months ago
@maddog4u31757 Oh, yes, that's where an almost intact zero fighter plane was found, also, that helped America figure out its strengths and weaknesses to build better fighter planes aginst it, wasn't it? We know whose side the heaven was on, obviously!
SuperYT4Ever 2 months ago
@coolasacoldsummer the only reason why the atomic bomb was created was through Albert Einsteins research america is an arrogant country to think it is any sort of power in the terms of engineering and overall scientific progression most of the reason for the war being won in japan was down to research from scientist in other countries defecting and the only reason why america reached the moon was due to german scientists research in astronomy and trajectory in space
MrEdwardh20 6 months ago
@MrEdwardh20 thanks for that 5th grade history lesson. umad?
tacosareftw 6 months ago
@tacosareftw no not really i was just stating my opinion
MrEdwardh20 6 months ago
@MrEdwardh20 LOL! A Americophobic Limey! How amusing! You think Einstein did it alone?
FYI Einstein (et. al.) became an American citizen.
Look up the names of Nobel Prize winners in the *sciences* and medicine. The US has far more than its share.
kentamitchell 6 months ago in playlist Hiroshima
Respond to this video... no i understand perfectly and no i do not hate america because i have a different opinion and i dont want to start a stupid flame war it.
MrEdwardh20 6 months ago
@MrEdwardh20 LMAO and I assume Enrico Fermi, Robert Oppenheimer, Leo Szilard, Teller, Lorenz, The ENTIRE cities of Oak Ridge & Los Alamos had nothing to do with it?? I agree Einstein ( My personal hero) theories of Special & General relativity, allowed the theoretical framework for mass-energy conversion but applying that to the real world in a deliverable device was something Einstein himself admitted he wasn't creative enough to develop but the Manhattan project teams were.
BeamMeUpSir 5 months ago
@MrEdwardh20 Robert Oppenheimer born in NY City was the master genius who organzied Fermi, Szilard, Teller, Lorenz, Boethke + others who were on Hitlers death list. Europes Jewish Scientists fled Europe + became US Citizens after others refused them. Oppenheimer was the leader of the Manhatten Project + Little Britian lacked the Scientific Industrial Ability + know how to build an A-Bomb! So please keep your jealosy to yourself + be thankful that the USA saved Little Britain from Nazi defeat.
LottoWinner999 3 months ago
@MrEdwardh20 Your jealous Little Brit that take a cheap shot at the USA. Werner Von Braun an Employee as the Goddard Space Center at Nasa admitted German agents stole Robert Goddards design for the V-2 liquid fueled rocket. In1926 Robert Goddard designed, built + launched the worlds 1ST fueled rocket to exceed 500 MPH. Von Braun admitted he used Goddards rocket designs, gyroscopes, compressors that are used this very day on all modern rockets. Why do U hate America's scientific accomplishments?
LottoWinner999 3 months ago
@MrEdwardh20 Who taught to hate America? USA has saved Little Britain twice + if we did not come to your rescue in WW2 U be an enslaved population of Nazi Germany. Before, during and after WW2 American Aid and the USA Marshall Plann saved Little Britain from certain catstophic financial collapse. We fed, clothed + provided food for Brtain. USA families took in 5,000 under-nourished Brtish chidlren during the Blitz of London. Crown Jewels + Maga Carte were stored at Fort Knox + why di U hate USA?
LottoWinner999 3 months ago
@LottoWinner999
Russia saved europe the URSS troops victory in Stalingrad was decisive. The US soldiers in Europe werw mostly volonteers, cause USA was still not in war until 1941 and the most of their men werw mobilised in the war against Japan.
USA win loads of money and became at time the first economical force partly because of the war. They were selling armement to all the countries including germany, UK, Italy, France, and even Japan (planes).
tatianaf1000 1 month ago
Fallout 3...
king7thomas 6 months ago
usa is a terrioste and bulit terrisote and also killed people only for oil and gas like in iraq nothing like in afaganistan and now in pakistan
tahashahbaz 6 months ago
this is so better than the news
TheCorona5849 6 months ago
poor innocent people. absolutely horrible
azazaz720 6 months ago 3
@azazaz720
yeah, we have megatons of deadly MAN MADE plutonium on earth now, this plutonium is not natural because it's the most dangerous stuff we know. It will cause genetical diseases, cancer and change the genes of microorganism as well.
BlueMagicEarth 6 months ago
@BlueMagicEarth Yeah we do, in Japan, NOT in your country
azazaz720 6 months ago
@azazaz720
sorry, what are you doing?
BlueMagicEarth 6 months ago
@MaskedReaper13 and you masturbates after watching this???? are you necrophiliac ahhhhh.
sweetxlboyz 6 months ago
America the ruthless killer, they attacked on japan after the surrender of japan.....
sweetxlboyz 6 months ago
@sweetxlboyz I though Japan surrenderd after the nuke
LocalRandomz 6 months ago
@LocalRandomz well you only thought. Japan was almost lose the war and ready to surrender but still they made the blast and kill thousands of people. I am not favoring anyone, but from the very first day America always kills the innocent people to show his power but he may not know that eventually one day every one falls down, that is the natural rule and They will pay for their deeds.
sweetxlboyz 6 months ago
@sweetxlboyz its only japan
LocalRandomz 6 months ago
@LocalRandomz it is
sweetxlboyz 6 months ago
@LocalRandomz Well it wasent a nuke? They did surrender after the second bombardment.
FantasyFinal4 6 months ago
@FantasyFinal4 Yeah ok but that question already got answerd and it wasent a reply to you
LocalRandomz 6 months ago
@sweetxlboyz HISTORY LESSON!
Japan attacked the US @ Pearl Harbor 12/7/41. US forces defeated the Japanese in every battle in the last 2 1/2 years of the war, but Japan refused to surrender. 3 hours after 'god/man' hirohito heard of Nagasaki, 'god/man' hirohito gave the order to surrender.
When General MacArthur got to Japan, he found it on the brink of famine. He cabled DC "Send me food or send me bullets". Prompt shipments of US grain averted mass starvation.
kentamitchell 6 months ago in playlist Hiroshima
@kentamitchell You are heavily omitting the parts such like Japan was seeking peace through Russian's peace mediation, the USSR had also declared war against Japan right before the bomb was dropped in Nagasaki, and it was Japanese Emperor Hirohito who begged MacArthur not to starve people of Japan, and promised that He will give him anything he needs accomplishing that. I guess some people can only see what's more favorable to their opinions. Usually, such behavior are called "dreaming."
onigoroshi442 6 months ago
@onigoroshi442 "dreaming"? Indeed. Until H&N J govt was determined to hold on to its empire- ruling over Taiwan, Manchuria & Korea. It is important to remember that although J had approached USSR for mediation, they had not formulated any concrete peace terms. hitohito begged MacArthur to save J ppl from starvation? Ironic, since 'god/man' had led his ppl to that disasterous position.
kentamitchell 6 months ago in playlist Hiroshima
@kentamitchell >Until H&N J govt was determined to hold on to its empire- ruling over Taiwan, Manchuria & Korea.
What makes you believe that? Too bad Japan couldn't realize that the US had already made much closer approach towards USSR way before Japan did. I don't know I can blame everything on the Emperor. Needless to say, the US has fair share of blame for causing the war. I understand that the US was all for going into war against Japan.
onigoroshi442 6 months ago
@onigoroshi442
we should think about solutions, not about accusations.
PEACE!
BlueMagicEarth 6 months ago
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onigoroshi442 6 months ago
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@BlueMagicEarth How much do you exactly know about the war? I am not here to make an accusation. Instead, I am here to share what I know and set things straight. I believe knowing more about the matter will lead us to better place. Anyhow, peace to you too!
onigoroshi442 6 months ago
@kentamitchell
well, thanks for your lesson, but this time accusations are not the main issue.
The point is: HOW TO STOP it.
We have to face the highest cancer rate WORLDwide and it's just starting.
THIS time we discuss OUR ALL LIFES.
We're discussing our future and our blindness, our arrogance which is not a national problem.
Please: Don't make this a discussion about nationalities. This caused EVERY problem in history and you know it.
BlueMagicEarth 6 months ago
@BlueMagicEarth H&N ended the war.
kentamitchell 6 months ago in playlist Hiroshima
@sweetxlboyz no, US threatened Japan they drop the bomb to force Japan to surrender
greetings from New Zealand :)
iamthelegoking 6 months ago
Why does the General look like Hitler?
taserking1 6 months ago
R.I.P
annie10103 6 months ago
world war 2 ended with a blast!
kieferkippy 7 months ago
it would have taken one million men to take japan ore two nukes mm not a hard choice
johnthephilsfan 7 months ago
The JAP'S (Evil Emperor) Started It. And We (THE USA) Finished It. End Of of Discussion!
God Bless the USA!
robertquentincobb 7 months ago
japan destroyed asia
so it had to stop war by big shock
dhksrksalem 7 months ago
i gotta say, i know many will think i'm being protective of the U.S. but if those bombs hadn't been dropped on Japan, what do you think would have happened?, tough question right, and by all logical senses, Japan would either be non existent or apart of the U.S.
i know i'll get hate for this but if those bombs hadn't been dropped millions of Japanese people would have died through harsh war, and that in turn says that the atom bomb did as much good as it did bad
tigran914 8 months ago
@tigran914 that makes a lot of sense...maybe we should just drop nuclear bombs before wars to prevent deaths.....We should of dropped one on north vietnam and one in korea. If you think that what you'resaying is correct then it should always apply....
tito8512 8 months ago
@tito8512 actually it only makes sense for Japan, in Korea and Vietnam, the leaders were cowards who would never fight for their country, and the civilians of Japan were all ready to fight and die for their land, not the case in any war the U.S. has ever been in, the Japanese would have fought tooth and nail to the end, Koreans and Vietnamese soldiers were fighting for their country but unlike in Japan, they weren't anywhere near as great a warring nation, Japan was
tigran914 8 months ago
@tigran914 There is no difference.We lost the war in vietnam just for that same reason,they kept fighting.You do know that we lost the war in vietnam don't you? Dont try to defend your shitty argument when you really have no basis. According to you we should just drop nuclear bombs in every conflict to "save lifes". If we were to be attacked by a foreign country in U.S soil, dont you think we would fight till the end?? I think so.should our enemies drop a nuclear bomb on us because we wont quit?
tito8512 8 months ago
@tito8512 you misunderstand, Japan was the entire country fighting, everyone was backing the fighting and everyone was apart of it, in Vietnam most of the Vietnamese didn't want to fight, they agreed with the Americans and American ideals, in Japan their leader was completely trusted and everyone in the country would have fought, and comparing Vietnams leaders with Japans isn't even possible the Japanese PM was a soldier himself, in Vietnam the leader was a rich politician, different cases
tigran914 8 months ago