I accept what you say. Atheism is simply not to believe in God. The rise of atheism and it's bride, secularism, within a society creates a spiritual vacuum, which will have serious and negative consequences. In Western Europe the rise of atheism has meant 1. a collapsed birthrate 2. a great influx of non-European immigrants 3. the rise of Islam in our midst. The bitter fruits of atheism!
(1) Low birth-rate is a consequence of socioeconomic development. It is prevalent in developed countries, even where religiosity is strong, e.g. South Korea. If secularism has a part at all, it is by liberating women from "livestock version of compulsory reproduction". (2) & (3) You can thank woolly-headed multiculturalism, which frowns on criticism of any faith or culture, for the rise of radical islam in europe.
@madenew000 Great comment. Good example of what a theist would say if they were blind and idiotic, rather than taking a step back and actually objectively assessing the reasons for their belief.
@huruey i'm not a theist deist atheist druist satanist or any of that labels!!!! I do not believe any person who try to sound smart with worldly philosophies will EVER know the Truth. That's a fact!!!! I'm was a slave of satan before I sought the Lord's mercy and He re-born my spirit, and I am now a bron-again follower of Jesus Christ - a true Christian. Anyone who has NOT been reborn in the spirit IS BLIND - Bible reveals that. Are yu more knowledgeable than the Bible? I don't think so!
@madenew000 If you believe in a god, then you are a theist. You apparently believe in the bible? So, if a book says that you are a fool if you don't believe the things in that book, is that book necessarily correct?
@huruey The Bible is just a book, but the TRUTH AND WISDOM recorded inside IS where its power lies - the revelation of God's will to me and you to choose to follow or reject - THE WORD OF GOD!!!!!!! now, what do YOU believe??
@madenew000 Why do you think the bible is the word of god? Sure, the bible says it is, but so does the Quran and many other religious texts. Why believe any of them?
@huruey you were a "Christian"? a True one or just a ignorant-go-with-the-flow one? or were you just a church-goer? there's a "huge difference". Before pitting yoself against it, are yu sure you fully understand what Christianity is? Or are yu just attacking it blindly without knowing what it reeeaallly is?
@madenew000 I was a Christian, I truly believed in God. I thought I'd had experiences of God. I went to church every Sunday almost 2 hours early because I played guitar in the folk group. Was I ignorant? Yes. There's no way I would have admitted it at the time, but I was ignorant. I'm glad to have broken out of it.
You seem to have this need to pretend like your faith MUST be different to what I had, because you cannot see how I could no longer agree with you. Now THAT is ignorant.
@huruey let's examine this, cos i suspect you missed a very significant point here: How did you become a "Christian"? How did you know that you were a true "Christian"?
@madenew000 If your definition of true Christian is somebody who has a genuine relationship with Jesus, then I don't believe in true Christians. I know there are people who are deluded enough to believe that they have such a relationship. I was one of those. I believed I had a genuine relationship with God in the same way that you might. Thing is, I don't think you do have any such relationship. I think you are just as wrong as I was.
@huruey "yu don't believe there are TRUE Christians, yet you claimed earlier that you were a "Christian". A true Christian is someone who has come to the end of himself, and decide to transform himself by changing his mind about how he lives his life. This person would totally trust in the Lord Jesus to wash him of all the old wicked habits, forgive all his sins, and change his mind to a new pure clean way. This is called the rebirth of his spirit. Changes in one's life start to show up!
@madenew000 Erm, did you even read what I said? My comment about not believing in true Christians was conditional on a specific and common definition I've come across. As for your definition? You don't need Jesus to be able to transform your life for the better. There are much better ways of doing this than pretending to yourself that some god exists and cares about you. Maybe it feels nice to believe this, but it seems to me little more than a comforting lie.
@huruey its a lie to you because you measure Christianity by the old acquaintances of yours in your ex-church, but Christianity is truly e measure based on the perfect, pure, holy, all powerful, all wise, all mighty person of the Lord Jesus Christ. That's the standard. So, it is not wise nor truthful nor honest to reject God because of the attitudes of the Christians you know. All seekers have weaknesses, but God/Christ is blameless and absolutely righteous. BTW were yu abused in church?
I believe there's no god. I don't believe there's a god. By his absurd logic, Im both a believer and a nonbeliever at the sametime. This has to do with grammar not philosophy. at the end, obviously we all have beliefs and nonbeliefs or lack belief in something and this obvious 6 grade observation is what he uses to conclude that atheism is a belief. daayym.lol.
the fact is theism is both a belief & a belief system. Atheist have different views but Atheism is not a belief system, end of sermon.
You can parse and mince words all you want. Take hours if you like explaining how atheism isn't a belief. But, in the end, we know it is the belief God does not exist.
@Coraboo23 The concept of Godlowdown's videos were not to argue that since atheists have beliefs that atheism is a belief in itself. You totally missed the point. You're basically saying that atheists have confidence in the fact that they do not have confidence in the fact that they believe in a God. You sound absurdly idiotic with your run around logic. Please, try again!
@Coraboo23 Given your responses, I'm thinking it is more likely to be you that is missing any points, here. The latter part of this video does not address a point that GodLowDown, himself, made. It is a general observation of why some people may mistakenly think that atheism is a belief.
Also, it sounded very much to me like GodLowDown WAS using the fact that atheists have beliefs to conclude that atheism IS a belief. If you do not think he was saying this, then what do you think he was saying?
@Coraboo23 I have already addressed this in the video. I suggest you research the difference between gnostic and agnostic atheism... Maybe by checking the other video as I had recommended?
Also, would you kindly acknowledge my other points and respond, or repeal your past accusations as necessary?
Regarding meta-beliefs: "It is a general observation of why some people may mistakenly think that atheism is a belief."
Regarding GodLowDown's argument: "... then what do you think he was saying?"
When atheists tell me ; "there is no god" then that pretty much defines and sums up what atheism is for me. Secondly, one of the definitions of atheism which can be found in Mirriam-Websters Dictionary is; "the doctrine that there is no god"
@BT3701 And another common definition found in many dictionaries is simply the lack of a belief in a god. Did you not check out the video I recommended regarding the differences between gnostic and agnostic atheism? Most atheists are AGNOSTIC, meaning they do not make a positive assertion that a god not exist. This is the definition I, as most atheists, use. If you would prefer to call me agnostic, then fine. I still don't believe in a god, nor do a have any good reason to.
@huruey I realize there is a plethora of beliefs among individuals. We can't generalize all individuals into a single group. Just as there are various degrees of belief among theists, there likewise is various beliefs among atheists and agnostics. Nevertheless, my replies are mainly geared to address individuals who boldly assert; "there is no god" or "God doesn't exist" etc., like Christopher Hitchens and others have claimed in their writings.
@BT3701 Hitchens describes his claim as more pragmatic than concrete. See this video watch?v=HO5l2TvBKBY. He does not make a claim of certainty in the same way gnostic theists do. Dawkins, in his book, explicitly states that he is not absolutely certain. However, a lack of certainty of non-existence does not provide reason for believing something exists. Atheists will often say they know for certain that they have no reason to believe in god, which is not the same as a gnostic atheist claim.
@huruey My brother-in-law is an avowed atheist. He positively asserts "there is no god" His subjective statement provides me with a fair working definition of an atheist. So now I have, not only subjective sources as proof that atheism is the belief that "there is no god" but objective sources such as Mirriam-Webster, and The Encyclopedia of Philosophy which define atheism as "the doctrine that there is no god" and atheist as "one who maintains there is no god" No jumping through hoops for me.
@BT3701 Your brother is one of the rare few who falls under the subset of atheist that is gnostic atheism. That your brother is an atheist and makes this assertion does not make the definition of atheist one who asserts no god, any more than your brother being human makes the definition of human one who asserts no god. I'll say it again... Gnostic atheism is a SUBSET of atheism. Also notice that gnostic atheism is not required to make a very good case against holding a belief in a god.
@huruey You completely ignored the definition of atheist, atheism, which I provided from reliable sources which disagree with your comments. I suspect you simply dislike the definitions from those objective sources.
@BT3701 No... I acknowledge that definition. It is not the only or most correct definition, though, as you seem to be making out. Nor is it even the most prominent among people who identify themselves as atheists. Do you see what I'm saying?
Often theists equivocate to diminish the position of no belief by imposing the gnostic meaning of atheist in a disingenuous attempt to reduce it to an intellectually equivalent position. Honest theists would acknowledge the necessity of the distinction.
@huruey Tell you what. The day, I stop hearing atheists state "there is no god" then, at that time I will find a new source with a different definition. Until that day, the definitions I provided match the statements I am receiving from many atheists.
@BT3701 Are you simply refusing to see my point? Some HUMANS assert that god doesn't exist. Is this assertion therefore inherently human? No! But this is the nature of your argument! SOME atheists may assert that there is no god, but NOT ALL atheists. Gnostic atheism is a SUBSET of atheism in broader definition of the word which seems to be prominent amongst people who identify as atheists.
@BT3701 It seemed very much to me that you did. "When atheists tell me ; "there is no god" then that pretty much defines and sums up what atheism is for me."
If you now accept otherwise, or if your initial comment a several others were misleading of your position, then fine.
I accept what you say. Atheism is simply not to believe in God. The rise of atheism and it's bride, secularism, within a society creates a spiritual vacuum, which will have serious and negative consequences. In Western Europe the rise of atheism has meant 1. a collapsed birthrate 2. a great influx of non-European immigrants 3. the rise of Islam in our midst. The bitter fruits of atheism!
atticana 5 days ago
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(1) Low birth-rate is a consequence of socioeconomic development. It is prevalent in developed countries, even where religiosity is strong, e.g. South Korea. If secularism has a part at all, it is by liberating women from "livestock version of compulsory reproduction". (2) & (3) You can thank woolly-headed multiculturalism, which frowns on criticism of any faith or culture, for the rise of radical islam in europe.
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Xgya2000 5 days ago
I don't think theists will 'get' your point huruey ~ but very good work anyway
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@nightjarflying "I don't think theists will 'get' your point huruey ~ but very good work anyway."
Who gives a shit if theists will get the point. I just hope some atheist are watching and get the point.
Blackmark52 2 days ago
I'm sure you'll do well here on YT. Can I mirror this video on Darktheatheist? I'm doing an introduction to atheism series there.
YesIamJames 5 days ago
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@YesIamJames mirror? Hell, he should be on the writing staff!
integralmath 5 days ago
@YesIamJames Thanks! And sure, feel free to mirror this video. :)
huruey 3 days ago
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Very clear thinking there, good sir. This now obviates my need to respond to the claptrap being peddled as erudition.
integralmath 5 days ago
atheism is a belief. if not, it is just .... blindness? dumbness? or plain idiocy?
madenew000 2 months ago
@madenew000 Great comment. Good example of what a theist would say if they were blind and idiotic, rather than taking a step back and actually objectively assessing the reasons for their belief.
huruey 2 months ago
@huruey i'm not a theist deist atheist druist satanist or any of that labels!!!! I do not believe any person who try to sound smart with worldly philosophies will EVER know the Truth. That's a fact!!!! I'm was a slave of satan before I sought the Lord's mercy and He re-born my spirit, and I am now a bron-again follower of Jesus Christ - a true Christian. Anyone who has NOT been reborn in the spirit IS BLIND - Bible reveals that. Are yu more knowledgeable than the Bible? I don't think so!
madenew000 2 months ago
@madenew000 If you believe in a god, then you are a theist. You apparently believe in the bible? So, if a book says that you are a fool if you don't believe the things in that book, is that book necessarily correct?
huruey 2 months ago
@huruey The Bible is just a book, but the TRUTH AND WISDOM recorded inside IS where its power lies - the revelation of God's will to me and you to choose to follow or reject - THE WORD OF GOD!!!!!!! now, what do YOU believe??
madenew000 2 months ago
@madenew000 Why do you think the bible is the word of god? Sure, the bible says it is, but so does the Quran and many other religious texts. Why believe any of them?
huruey 2 months ago
@huruey investigate it YOURSELF and you will arrive at the answer.
madenew000 2 months ago
@madenew000 This is what I did, and this is why I am no longer a Christian.
huruey 2 months ago
@huruey you were a "Christian"? a True one or just a ignorant-go-with-the-flow one? or were you just a church-goer? there's a "huge difference". Before pitting yoself against it, are yu sure you fully understand what Christianity is? Or are yu just attacking it blindly without knowing what it reeeaallly is?
madenew000 2 months ago
@madenew000 I was a Christian, I truly believed in God. I thought I'd had experiences of God. I went to church every Sunday almost 2 hours early because I played guitar in the folk group. Was I ignorant? Yes. There's no way I would have admitted it at the time, but I was ignorant. I'm glad to have broken out of it.
You seem to have this need to pretend like your faith MUST be different to what I had, because you cannot see how I could no longer agree with you. Now THAT is ignorant.
huruey 2 months ago
@huruey let's examine this, cos i suspect you missed a very significant point here: How did you become a "Christian"? How did you know that you were a true "Christian"?
madenew000 2 months ago
@madenew000 If your definition of true Christian is somebody who has a genuine relationship with Jesus, then I don't believe in true Christians. I know there are people who are deluded enough to believe that they have such a relationship. I was one of those. I believed I had a genuine relationship with God in the same way that you might. Thing is, I don't think you do have any such relationship. I think you are just as wrong as I was.
huruey 2 months ago
@huruey "yu don't believe there are TRUE Christians, yet you claimed earlier that you were a "Christian". A true Christian is someone who has come to the end of himself, and decide to transform himself by changing his mind about how he lives his life. This person would totally trust in the Lord Jesus to wash him of all the old wicked habits, forgive all his sins, and change his mind to a new pure clean way. This is called the rebirth of his spirit. Changes in one's life start to show up!
madenew000 2 months ago
@madenew000 Erm, did you even read what I said? My comment about not believing in true Christians was conditional on a specific and common definition I've come across. As for your definition? You don't need Jesus to be able to transform your life for the better. There are much better ways of doing this than pretending to yourself that some god exists and cares about you. Maybe it feels nice to believe this, but it seems to me little more than a comforting lie.
huruey 2 months ago
@huruey its a lie to you because you measure Christianity by the old acquaintances of yours in your ex-church, but Christianity is truly e measure based on the perfect, pure, holy, all powerful, all wise, all mighty person of the Lord Jesus Christ. That's the standard. So, it is not wise nor truthful nor honest to reject God because of the attitudes of the Christians you know. All seekers have weaknesses, but God/Christ is blameless and absolutely righteous. BTW were yu abused in church?
madenew000 2 months ago
@madenew000 Hahaha, how clichéd. The old 'no true Scotsman fallacy'
DeeDemonwitch 5 days ago
I believe there's no god. I don't believe there's a god. By his absurd logic, Im both a believer and a nonbeliever at the sametime. This has to do with grammar not philosophy. at the end, obviously we all have beliefs and nonbeliefs or lack belief in something and this obvious 6 grade observation is what he uses to conclude that atheism is a belief. daayym.lol.
the fact is theism is both a belief & a belief system. Atheist have different views but Atheism is not a belief system, end of sermon.
jrev37 2 months ago
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Is atheism a belief? Sure is. They believe in their hearts, ..."there is no God". Psalm 14:1
mrtadreamer 2 months ago
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You can parse and mince words all you want. Take hours if you like explaining how atheism isn't a belief. But, in the end, we know it is the belief God does not exist.
owheydusoapsk 4 months ago
You wording can be inversely applied to any and everything. How pointless.
Coraboo23 5 months ago
@Coraboo23 Would you care to back up this claim?
huruey 5 months ago
@Coraboo23 The concept of Godlowdown's videos were not to argue that since atheists have beliefs that atheism is a belief in itself. You totally missed the point. You're basically saying that atheists have confidence in the fact that they do not have confidence in the fact that they believe in a God. You sound absurdly idiotic with your run around logic. Please, try again!
Coraboo23 5 months ago
@Coraboo23 Given your responses, I'm thinking it is more likely to be you that is missing any points, here. The latter part of this video does not address a point that GodLowDown, himself, made. It is a general observation of why some people may mistakenly think that atheism is a belief.
Also, it sounded very much to me like GodLowDown WAS using the fact that atheists have beliefs to conclude that atheism IS a belief. If you do not think he was saying this, then what do you think he was saying?
huruey 5 months ago
@Coraboo23 Also, if you think atheism is a belief, then could you please tell me what the universal and defining belief of atheism is?
huruey 5 months ago
@huruey Atheist simply believe their is no God. It's not that complicated. You should know!
Coraboo23 5 months ago
@Coraboo23 I have already addressed this in the video. I suggest you research the difference between gnostic and agnostic atheism... Maybe by checking the other video as I had recommended?
Also, would you kindly acknowledge my other points and respond, or repeal your past accusations as necessary?
Regarding meta-beliefs: "It is a general observation of why some people may mistakenly think that atheism is a belief."
Regarding GodLowDown's argument: "... then what do you think he was saying?"
huruey 5 months ago
When atheists tell me ; "there is no god" then that pretty much defines and sums up what atheism is for me. Secondly, one of the definitions of atheism which can be found in Mirriam-Websters Dictionary is; "the doctrine that there is no god"
BT3701 5 months ago
@BT3701 And another common definition found in many dictionaries is simply the lack of a belief in a god. Did you not check out the video I recommended regarding the differences between gnostic and agnostic atheism? Most atheists are AGNOSTIC, meaning they do not make a positive assertion that a god not exist. This is the definition I, as most atheists, use. If you would prefer to call me agnostic, then fine. I still don't believe in a god, nor do a have any good reason to.
huruey 5 months ago
@huruey I realize there is a plethora of beliefs among individuals. We can't generalize all individuals into a single group. Just as there are various degrees of belief among theists, there likewise is various beliefs among atheists and agnostics. Nevertheless, my replies are mainly geared to address individuals who boldly assert; "there is no god" or "God doesn't exist" etc., like Christopher Hitchens and others have claimed in their writings.
BT3701 5 months ago
@BT3701 Hitchens describes his claim as more pragmatic than concrete. See this video watch?v=HO5l2TvBKBY. He does not make a claim of certainty in the same way gnostic theists do. Dawkins, in his book, explicitly states that he is not absolutely certain. However, a lack of certainty of non-existence does not provide reason for believing something exists. Atheists will often say they know for certain that they have no reason to believe in god, which is not the same as a gnostic atheist claim.
huruey 5 months ago
@huruey My brother-in-law is an avowed atheist. He positively asserts "there is no god" His subjective statement provides me with a fair working definition of an atheist. So now I have, not only subjective sources as proof that atheism is the belief that "there is no god" but objective sources such as Mirriam-Webster, and The Encyclopedia of Philosophy which define atheism as "the doctrine that there is no god" and atheist as "one who maintains there is no god" No jumping through hoops for me.
BT3701 5 months ago
@BT3701 Your brother is one of the rare few who falls under the subset of atheist that is gnostic atheism. That your brother is an atheist and makes this assertion does not make the definition of atheist one who asserts no god, any more than your brother being human makes the definition of human one who asserts no god. I'll say it again... Gnostic atheism is a SUBSET of atheism. Also notice that gnostic atheism is not required to make a very good case against holding a belief in a god.
huruey 5 months ago
@huruey You completely ignored the definition of atheist, atheism, which I provided from reliable sources which disagree with your comments. I suspect you simply dislike the definitions from those objective sources.
BT3701 5 months ago
@BT3701 No... I acknowledge that definition. It is not the only or most correct definition, though, as you seem to be making out. Nor is it even the most prominent among people who identify themselves as atheists. Do you see what I'm saying?
Often theists equivocate to diminish the position of no belief by imposing the gnostic meaning of atheist in a disingenuous attempt to reduce it to an intellectually equivalent position. Honest theists would acknowledge the necessity of the distinction.
huruey 5 months ago
@huruey Tell you what. The day, I stop hearing atheists state "there is no god" then, at that time I will find a new source with a different definition. Until that day, the definitions I provided match the statements I am receiving from many atheists.
BT3701 5 months ago
@BT3701 Are you simply refusing to see my point? Some HUMANS assert that god doesn't exist. Is this assertion therefore inherently human? No! But this is the nature of your argument! SOME atheists may assert that there is no god, but NOT ALL atheists. Gnostic atheism is a SUBSET of atheism in broader definition of the word which seems to be prominent amongst people who identify as atheists.
huruey 5 months ago
@huruey I never said all atheists assert there is no god. In one of my earlier replies I even said as much, if you had read that reply.
BT3701 5 months ago
@BT3701 It seemed very much to me that you did. "When atheists tell me ; "there is no god" then that pretty much defines and sums up what atheism is for me."
If you now accept otherwise, or if your initial comment a several others were misleading of your position, then fine.
huruey 5 months ago
@JohnHenryAlex Thanks. I enjoyed your response also. It seems we identified some similar points. :)
huruey 5 months ago
All AtheiSTS GO TO HELL REPENT! REPENT before it is TOO LATE
jesusdinosaurs 5 months ago
I don't know why we have to explain to people that NOT believing in something isn't a belief in and of itself.
DarkEmergence 5 months ago