Dov Zackheim’s company, System Planning Corp had already tested remote-controlled airliners—“Command Transmitter Systems” is what called them, similar to a JPALS. He had already tested 4 versions prior to 1997. Yet whatever Flight 77 was swapped with was NOT one of these, as whatever impacted the Pentagon was so maneuverable & quick even a CTS airliner couldn’t handle it. Global Hawk prototype or missile while the real Flight 77 gets crashed at a proving grounds.
I have asked in the past at your forum but I did not get a reply.
If they used a 737-400 series like the smoldering parts on the street would indicate, would it be able to perform at sea level the way it was seen to perform? A 767 is too fat and bulky, and with very little difference besides the over all sizes, there is little evidence from the profiles to tell between the two models in the many videos and pictures. Has anyone put a measurement to that to see if it fits a 767 compared to a 737?
0:35- 0:38 "Turn the sim switches off. Get rid of that crap", indicates to me an ability to eliminate military games in an emergency situation.
I take it you folks have not heard from "cheap shot" since June 13th 2011? His excuses for extending flight AA11 past impact are interesting lies he tossed up, well that and the scramble over the seas, just two planes instead of every BASE sending up defenses...
@gutti88 If this type of thing happened, it is a good possibility they landed in Cleveland. I don't like to think this, but there is the big pond to the east. There may have been no passengers at all. Remember this, undoubtedly the most important part in all of this, consider the source of all this information and why they held back and lied about various things,,, if they were the innocent administration they hope you will believe.
femr2, you are now blocked and your continued insulting posts deleted as I no longer have the time nor desire to monitor your insults here on YT, especially when you have dodged the questions i have asked, clearly do not have any experience in aviation to support your claims/beliefs/opnion and seems all you wish to do is have a playground pissing contest. Again, anytime you wish to learn from real pilots why the above "re-route" stuck out like a sore thumb, feel free to stop by the forum.
@johndoeXLC Thanks for posting this. I was aware of this from the early days of the article or opinion piece titled something like "flight of the bumble jets". There was another point that I learned of the night of those false flag inside out jobs, but I save it for another place.
Too bad you deleted the guys comments. We can learn from them who and what they are working for. Their motive behind the self imposed blinders if you will.
femr2 says (but was deleted by me) - "I see no insults from me. Lots of immature posturing from you though..."
Nah, you're not insulting anyone femr2. Calling real and verified pilots "immature" certainly is a compliment. After all, we do get to play with some pretty cool toys. :)
For the fourth time femr2, how much flight time do you have? Any experience in aviation at all? Why do you keep dodging this question?
femr2, if you're only going to throw insults at me, i will delete your posts here on YT. Feel free to come to our forum if you wish to get an education from real pilots. We wont even charge you, nor place you on probation, or conduct an admission "interview". I'll even let you continue the same evasion you're doing here for all to see.
3:07 - It's just other aircraft being re-routed. There are very many other aircraft on the map changing direction at the same time in many other places.
Whoever put the video together MUST know that. It's obvious simply by looking at a zoomed out view of the RADES data at that time.
Aircraft being re-routed are not instructed to turn at the same time nearly 180 degrees from their original route to converge and fly in formation with other transport category aircraft.
In my 25+ years of flying I have NEVER seen nor been given such an absurd "re-route" nor do I know any pilot who would accept such an absurd "re-route" if the above was in fact a "re-route". It wasnt a re-route femr2.. It was an intercept or an aircraft swap.
Of course I have the RADES and R3, I made the film.... and if you had the RADES, you would know that the above "re-route" takes place more than 20 mins prior to the "country-wide airspace shutdown" was issued.
The main function of ATC is to separate aircraft, not join and converge targets, unless of course there is an intercept or aircraft swap.
Many of the other aircraft you see converging are on airways. But there are others which are suspicious as well...
Its good you concede the "re-route" want due to a "country-wide airspace shutdown". Nice try though...
They werent on a direct path to NY Femr. There are also many who continued the routes over NY during that time and after.
Again Femr2, how much flight time do you have? Any experience in aviation at all? If not, why should readers listen to you over bona fide and verified pilots with decades of experience?
Again, the above "re-route" takes place more than 20 mins prior to the "country-wide airspace shutdown" was issued. And if you come to our forum, i will explain to you in detail why the above "re-route" stuck out like a sore thumb to me and many other pilots. No Probation period or interview required. ROFL...
@johndoeXLC Cheapshot probably got bored of the silly posturing, such as that you're doing now.
As I said, I'll produce the relevant views. A picture is worth a thousand words, and video augments the picture (if you look at the right zoom level).
There are lots of re-routes in similar proximity, as you admit.
Nothing too special about the ones you highlighted, at all.
No, I'll not be posting at P4T. You can find me at the911forum if you like.
Obviously you didnt read the thread where Cheapshot kept promising day after day he would have an answer "tomorrow". He evaded, dodged and ducked. The questions he did answer, he got wrong.
I never "admitted" there were "re-routes in similar proximity". Read it again Femr2. And a a matter of fact, there isnt.
I dont blame you for not wanting to come to our forum to discuss this, you'll have to do a lot of conceding and wont be able to put words in my mouth as you did above.
Obviously you didnt read the thread as Colin was the one throwing insults and broken promises day after day while we were hoping he had a good weekend after he broke such promises, only to be broken again. Colin evaded because he doesnt have a rational answer. And for the third time... the above "re-route" takes place more than 20 mins prior to the "country-wide airspace shutdown" was issued.
So femr2 comes here to discuss our work. He dodges questions asked with relevance to his aviation experience (clearly he doesnt have any whatsoever), refuses to come to the P4T forum to discuss the matter without YT restrictions and more resources, yet wants me to go register at a forum which has a "New Members Probation Period" and an email interview for admission?
femr, anytime you wish to play with the big boys, feel free to stop by the forum. No probation or "interview" required.
The planes crashed into offices rented by radio conrolled company the planes where not commercial they where guided by remote technology that was based in the very rooms the planes where directed to there where no pilots no muslims it was a false flag military opperation BUSH should fry in the chair along with everyone else involved this was a planned opperation at the highest level in government no some crazy goat herder in a cave.wake up people.
This was covered by an article titled "flight of the bumble jets" within weeks of the insideout job. I still feel they used 737s to actually hit the towers,,, the parts that reached the ground back this up. CFM56 can NOT push a 767,,, right Pilots? Unless they are side by side and the overall size is seen, the two craft, 737[-400]s and 767[-222]s look very similar with three minor differences, at the nose, how the rudder meets the fuselage, and the engines forward extension beyond the wing.
Unfortunately, this won't play on my computer. I've tried several times, but it stops at 0:10 every time, even though I had paused it to allow it to load all the way before trying to play it (Broadband - ya gotta love it).
Dov Zackheim’s company, System Planning Corp had already tested remote-controlled airliners—“Command Transmitter Systems” is what called them, similar to a JPALS. He had already tested 4 versions prior to 1997. Yet whatever Flight 77 was swapped with was NOT one of these, as whatever impacted the Pentagon was so maneuverable & quick even a CTS airliner couldn’t handle it. Global Hawk prototype or missile while the real Flight 77 gets crashed at a proving grounds.
freddietz96 3 months ago
I have asked in the past at your forum but I did not get a reply.
If they used a 737-400 series like the smoldering parts on the street would indicate, would it be able to perform at sea level the way it was seen to perform? A 767 is too fat and bulky, and with very little difference besides the over all sizes, there is little evidence from the profiles to tell between the two models in the many videos and pictures. Has anyone put a measurement to that to see if it fits a 767 compared to a 737?
SlackerSlayer 3 months ago
0:35- 0:38 "Turn the sim switches off. Get rid of that crap", indicates to me an ability to eliminate military games in an emergency situation.
I take it you folks have not heard from "cheap shot" since June 13th 2011? His excuses for extending flight AA11 past impact are interesting lies he tossed up, well that and the scramble over the seas, just two planes instead of every BASE sending up defenses...
SlackerSlayer 3 months ago
if they swap.. where were the real plans landed and where are the passengers...
greets, 9/11 was an inside job!!
gutti88 3 months ago
@gutti88 If this type of thing happened, it is a good possibility they landed in Cleveland. I don't like to think this, but there is the big pond to the east. There may have been no passengers at all. Remember this, undoubtedly the most important part in all of this, consider the source of all this information and why they held back and lied about various things,,, if they were the innocent administration they hope you will believe.
SlackerSlayer 3 months ago
Wow, how interesting! I have a hard copy of the entire Operations Northwood Papers, and after reading it, I would believe almost anything.
TexasRose50 7 months ago
femr2, you are now blocked and your continued insulting posts deleted as I no longer have the time nor desire to monitor your insults here on YT, especially when you have dodged the questions i have asked, clearly do not have any experience in aviation to support your claims/beliefs/opnion and seems all you wish to do is have a playground pissing contest. Again, anytime you wish to learn from real pilots why the above "re-route" stuck out like a sore thumb, feel free to stop by the forum.
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
@johndoeXLC Thanks for posting this. I was aware of this from the early days of the article or opinion piece titled something like "flight of the bumble jets". There was another point that I learned of the night of those false flag inside out jobs, but I save it for another place.
Too bad you deleted the guys comments. We can learn from them who and what they are working for. Their motive behind the self imposed blinders if you will.
SlackerSlayer 3 months ago
femr2 says (but was deleted by me) - "I see no insults from me. Lots of immature posturing from you though..."
Nah, you're not insulting anyone femr2. Calling real and verified pilots "immature" certainly is a compliment. After all, we do get to play with some pretty cool toys. :)
For the fourth time femr2, how much flight time do you have? Any experience in aviation at all? Why do you keep dodging this question?
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
femr2, if you're only going to throw insults at me, i will delete your posts here on YT. Feel free to come to our forum if you wish to get an education from real pilots. We wont even charge you, nor place you on probation, or conduct an admission "interview". I'll even let you continue the same evasion you're doing here for all to see.
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
3:07 - It's just other aircraft being re-routed. There are very many other aircraft on the map changing direction at the same time in many other places.
Whoever put the video together MUST know that. It's obvious simply by looking at a zoomed out view of the RADES data at that time.
Tsk, tsk.
femr2 7 months ago
@femr2
Aircraft being re-routed are not instructed to turn at the same time nearly 180 degrees from their original route to converge and fly in formation with other transport category aircraft.
In my 25+ years of flying I have NEVER seen nor been given such an absurd "re-route" nor do I know any pilot who would accept such an absurd "re-route" if the above was in fact a "re-route". It wasnt a re-route femr2.. It was an intercept or an aircraft swap.
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
You also need to back up to 3:00 and watch the whole thing. That's not a "re-route"
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
@johndoeXLC I guess from your commemts that you haven't actually got the RADES data, nor the RS3 application used to visualise the data.
The behaviour is OBVIOUS if you zoom out. There are aircraft doing "180's and flying in formation with the nearest aircraft" left right and center.
How many times have you seen a country-wide airspace shutdown ?
It's easy to PROVE what I'm saying though, so start contemplating how you go about conceding and I'll generate the required view.
femr2 7 months ago
@femr2
Of course I have the RADES and R3, I made the film.... and if you had the RADES, you would know that the above "re-route" takes place more than 20 mins prior to the "country-wide airspace shutdown" was issued.
The main function of ATC is to separate aircraft, not join and converge targets, unless of course there is an intercept or aircraft swap.
Many of the other aircraft you see converging are on airways. But there are others which are suspicious as well...
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
@johndoeXLC It's quite early, sure, but I see good reason to re-route aircraft on a direct path to NY at that time, don't you ?
There are many aircraft re-routed to that same flightpath in the minutes following.
They are as you say converging on airways, and many are in relatively close proximity.
There are a few *suspicious* (aka as yet possibly undefined) flights, but the ones in question are not significant imo.
As I said, I'll generate views highlighting the many other route changes :o)
femr2 7 months ago
@femr2
Its good you concede the "re-route" want due to a "country-wide airspace shutdown". Nice try though...
They werent on a direct path to NY Femr. There are also many who continued the routes over NY during that time and after.
Again Femr2, how much flight time do you have? Any experience in aviation at all? If not, why should readers listen to you over bona fide and verified pilots with decades of experience?
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
@johndoeXLC ROFL. I don't *concede* anything at all pal. Lots of re-routing is what happens when country-wide airspace is shut down.
You're making an issue out of a behaviour seen ALL OVER the map. No big deal.
As I said, I'll show you (and you, er, *readers*) a view of the bigger picture ;o)
femr2 7 months ago
@femr2
Again, the above "re-route" takes place more than 20 mins prior to the "country-wide airspace shutdown" was issued. And if you come to our forum, i will explain to you in detail why the above "re-route" stuck out like a sore thumb to me and many other pilots. No Probation period or interview required. ROFL...
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
@femr2
As was said in the film, "Of course a simple explanation will be offered by those who make excuses... but the coincidences cannot be ignored".
The above "re-route" stuck out like a sore thumb to me and many other pilots... and the list is growing....
pilotsfor911truth(dot)org(slash)core
How much flight time do you have femr2? Any experience in aviation at all?
Feel free to stop by our Forum in the Aircraft Swap thread and pick up where Colin Scoggins evaded. Not much room here.
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
@johndoeXLC Cheapshot probably got bored of the silly posturing, such as that you're doing now.
As I said, I'll produce the relevant views. A picture is worth a thousand words, and video augments the picture (if you look at the right zoom level).
There are lots of re-routes in similar proximity, as you admit.
Nothing too special about the ones you highlighted, at all.
No, I'll not be posting at P4T. You can find me at the911forum if you like.
femr2 7 months ago
@femr2
Obviously you didnt read the thread where Cheapshot kept promising day after day he would have an answer "tomorrow". He evaded, dodged and ducked. The questions he did answer, he got wrong.
I never "admitted" there were "re-routes in similar proximity". Read it again Femr2. And a a matter of fact, there isnt.
I dont blame you for not wanting to come to our forum to discuss this, you'll have to do a lot of conceding and wont be able to put words in my mouth as you did above.
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
@johndoeXLC I read the thread. You shot your bolt with the unnecessary posturing and rudeness.
Hubris is a dangerous folly, you know :o)
I'll *ket you know* when I have generated the view required to clarify that your assertion is about an event simply due to country-wide re-routing.
Have a nice day :o)
femr2 7 months ago
@femr2
Obviously you didnt read the thread as Colin was the one throwing insults and broken promises day after day while we were hoping he had a good weekend after he broke such promises, only to be broken again. Colin evaded because he doesnt have a rational answer. And for the third time... the above "re-route" takes place more than 20 mins prior to the "country-wide airspace shutdown" was issued.
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
@femr2
So femr2 comes here to discuss our work. He dodges questions asked with relevance to his aviation experience (clearly he doesnt have any whatsoever), refuses to come to the P4T forum to discuss the matter without YT restrictions and more resources, yet wants me to go register at a forum which has a "New Members Probation Period" and an email interview for admission?
femr, anytime you wish to play with the big boys, feel free to stop by the forum. No probation or "interview" required.
johndoeXLC 7 months ago
The planes crashed into offices rented by radio conrolled company the planes where not commercial they where guided by remote technology that was based in the very rooms the planes where directed to there where no pilots no muslims it was a false flag military opperation BUSH should fry in the chair along with everyone else involved this was a planned opperation at the highest level in government no some crazy goat herder in a cave.wake up people.
edtheball69 8 months ago
I always thought there was an aircraft switcheroo.
GaGirlie777 8 months ago
we can do without the over exaggerated movie preview guy voice !! no wonder why so many people don't take claims more serious !
livin4theluv 8 months ago
@livin4theluv If they can use it - so can we.
Spud4X 8 months ago
This was covered by an article titled "flight of the bumble jets" within weeks of the insideout job. I still feel they used 737s to actually hit the towers,,, the parts that reached the ground back this up. CFM56 can NOT push a 767,,, right Pilots? Unless they are side by side and the overall size is seen, the two craft, 737[-400]s and 767[-222]s look very similar with three minor differences, at the nose, how the rudder meets the fuselage, and the engines forward extension beyond the wing.
ISamuelII 8 months ago
Unfortunately, this won't play on my computer. I've tried several times, but it stops at 0:10 every time, even though I had paused it to allow it to load all the way before trying to play it (Broadband - ya gotta love it).
notaxian 8 months ago
Very interesting. We need a new investigation of 9/11!
TruthMakesPeace 8 months ago
@TruthMakesPeace : RIGHT !!!
FABRIC8TIONUNLIMITE1 8 months ago