these people are definitely not european. they are a mixture of barbarous turks and traitorous whites who collaborated with the enemy because they were weak and immoral. albania, or as i call it "new pakistan" is a shit stain on europe. i have a hunch this nation will never be a prosperous, technologically advanced country like germany or south korea. instead it will always be a poor, backward place whose people will flee it and immigrate to better countries any chance they get.
and once they flee to better, more prosperous nations albanians enrich those nations by creating ghettos full of crime and welfare dependency. hey albanians if you really have pride in your culture prove it by staying in your countries and not immigrating to other nations.
@pictlane That's kind of ignorant because people of MANY countries immigrated to the United States but they still have pride in the culture from the countries they came from.
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How is it that we begged the Serbs to take us in when Albanians were in the Balkans before Serbs??? Serbians were all the criminals and gypsy of Russia that were exiled as moved to the Balkan peninsula, Serbs are gypsys not us, you don't understand what would happen to you if Said something like this to a real "Albanian" in real life not on the Internet you little bitch
I'm afraid that many people are confused as to what a Christian is. I grew up in a Catholic community, and most of the people I know in that community have nothing in common with New Testament Christianity. I see Catholicism and Islam as being very closely related in practice. The vast majority live ungodly lives and have no interest in the actual teaching of Jesus. The most important thing in life is to know Christ. He is Lord. He is the only Saviour.
LMAO..KEEP IT UP, TAKE OUT ALL THE ANGER THAT YOU HAVE, IT WILL HELP IN YOUR REDEMPTION..
JUST YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY MAKE YOU FEEL THIS WAY, INSTEAD TAKING YOUR ANGER IN THE YOUTUBE, ATLEAST YOU MIGHT HAVE FELT A VIKING INSTEAD OF A FAGGOT, WHAT YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE..HEY NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A FAGGOT..
@dukoduli I dont actually think its the persons who have fucked with me fault, I think albanians are like an entity like the borg from star wars. Of course not all, the christians seem more reasonable and understanding. While muslim albanians that ive come across have acted more like an entity. Thats why I go after the entity not indivuduals in the entity
..well if thats how you feel, thats how you feel.You set your preferences how you set the, the muslim Albanians are the same as christian Albanians.As majority converted in the 17th century, so to call one or the other a separate entity is ignorance.I am a muslim but before the 17th or 18th century my forefathers were Christian. I can change the religion and vice versa it does not affect my ancestory. Albanians, christian or muslim ancestors have payed their dues to Christianity
If my forfathers were not as proud as they were and have not fought the Turks for long 100 years which caused 100 000's of deaths in the 15th and 16th century, instead to have made treaties with the Turks as the rest of the Slavs. Today their descendants of those dead would have counted today as Million's of Albanians in the Balkans. Then I doubt any would have converted. So I say my forefathers have payed the dues to the Christianity dearly. While your forefathers were drunkyards :)
@shqiptarkilla You consider yourself Catholic you say? Well, my nation gave 4 Popes to Vatican and numerous cardinals, shall I also mention Mother Theresa?
And what did you exactly, the Swedes, give to Christianity besides trolling Albanian youtube videos?I tell you what nothing, Zero,Zilch and nada.And you ask yourself how Kosovo earned Independence. And you do not ask yourself why there were so many refugees of Albanians, or their prosecution from the Serbs who actually are the cause of ww1/2
Why dont you google the cause of ww1,and more precisely who caused it? And then google how many of your fellow 'Christians' died in that war?? = since you are that religious and some sort of self proclaimed christian protectorate..
But how can you, as your heart is full of hatred, then it can not search for truth. If it wasn't for these Albanians who you are cursing, who stopped the greatest turkish advance ever, who knows were would they have ended up...
@dukoduli I dont like albanians because its personal they have cost me a lot of money and I am very sad, angry and mad about this. As far as serbs goes, I dont have any bad experiences with them. For sure I dont like the fact that the jugoslav war caused many bosnians to come to Sweden but that was not their intent so I can only dislike for what people do to me on purpose and different albanians have done a lot without reason.
Well, get over it man. People get robbed all the time.
I can also see that you are not pretty smart.
Look at the Greeks, they have stollen 700 to 1 trillion billion of Euros from the banks of Europe, causing millions of jobs, suicides, economical crisis all over Europe etc. But you don't go hating the Greeks now do you.
Look man, grow up and grow a thicker skin, stop moaning about it, as no one gives a shit who you happen to hate or love....
@dukoduli Well its not gonna go down like that, because there were too many incidents, albanians are now my enemies for life. And trust me if the shoe were on the other foot you would not be so forgiving. And I have never got robbed, I got my shit broken into when I was a sleep, and thats a bitch move. I wont say typical of albanian because you would report me right away for "hate speach" but I think you catch my drift.
Somehow I find it hard to believe. Anyway, good for you man keep on hating, dont think we give shit.
By the look of it you deserved it, hope you learned your lesson and dont fuck with the Albos again, or at least stick to the YT, as I am sure you have learned by now not to say it to their face..:)
@dukoduli Well that was the thing I didnt fuck with albos, I thought they were my friends. But I learned a lesson and the lesson is dont trust albos. And give back what they have taken from you.
@dqduka Yes it would sound logical that you would agree with something that has been disproven but sounds good to you. Thats how myths are born by taking fantasys before truth.
you walter99wolf yes you SUPER IDIOT,first of all "Shqiptar" means,(son of the eagle),second,the albanian languageis is indo-european,it is unique in this planet...not dirty like yours is..
third...before turkish occupation albanians were all christians...
fourth... caucasian albania has nothing to do with albania (country),the name albania (country) comes from Albanopolis,which was the city of the Albanoi, an Illyrian tribe.
fifth ....learn english and then history SUPER IDIOT !
hahahaa so does this mean im not CATHOLIC WELL HERES A SUGGESTION TAKE THIS BULL SHIT VIDEO AND STICK IT UP YOUR PROPAGANDA ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't watch the video, I read the description instead. No facts, and plenty of error. The first thing written defines the word Shqiptar as meaning mountain people. Thats not true. Shqipe means eagle, which happens to be the symbol on the Albanian flag. So if the first piece of information is false, why keep reading. By the way, I didn't dislike the video. Judging by the comment, I'm pretty sure its not worth watching.
@IWUZDED First of all, do you also go and comment the videos were albanian claim without proof that they are the lost people of atlantis, that alexander the great was albanian or albanians are the oldest people in the world? And for the shqiptar, its not proven what it means or where it came from, there are different theories. So who are you to tell us what is right and what is wrong? You must think very highly of yourself so I suspect you are one of them.
@shqiptarkilla Yes I do object to stupid claims from Albanians as well. Shqipe means eagle. I am Albanian, and I know that's how to say eagle. Alexander the Great was Greek. The oldest people in the world were Adam and Eve who's entire seed was wiped out in the flood of Genisis 6. Then the world was replenished by Noa and his three sons who landed in the mountains of Ararat in modern Turkey. And no I don't think highly of myself at all. I'm a sinner saved by the grace of God.
@IWUZDED This is what I thought. Well this is very true, I appreciate your honesty. There are both christian and muslim albanians here in Sweden. I used to hang out with muslim albanians, and they told me that in Albania muslims and christians dont get along, but here in Sweden they are more friendly against each other. I can say that these muslim albanians that i've met are the worst snakes I have ever met.
@AlbanoiAlbanopolis Its funny you mention Albanoi and Albanopolis as something that would make illyrians albanian. Actually do you know that more illyrian tribes had iranian names than albanian? No? But now you know. Now go back to mama and ask her why that is. I bet she know;)
@AlbanoiAlbanopolis It just goes to show how little you know. For one it is PROVEN that albanoi and albanopolis or whatever u wanna call it have NOTHING to do with albanians. And even if you want to make that connection then you would also have to make the connection to iranian tribes that many more than two have the same names as illyrian tribes.
@AlbanoiAlbanopolis I hope you come to terms with the fact that your forefathers were not brave illyrians but gipsys and thracians. And stop living in la-la land, its not good for you.
This is my conclusion about the albanians: Kosovar are albanian gipsys. SHQ is not european. Also some albanian tribes are from kurdistan and speak a language very close to nuristani.
@shqiptarkilla Not my tribe,we dont mix,kosova albanians have the highest% of E than the greeks,,so how are they gypsys,,These genetics are telling a story,,That albanians and greeks are pretty much related,,greeks belive thracians and illyrians were greeks,,And the dardanians also greeks,,But i dont belive it because this would make us more greek than them,,,
@shqiptarkilla How do you know SHQ is not european?how did language form,Did they sit down and just say yer this will do,,,as i said we lived sicluded from other for a long time anything can look none europen to others because they were not near us,,
@illyrianalbanian100 Well let me put it to you this way. I think albanians are a mix of thracians/kurds/gipsys. Some tribes as you know, have gipsy blood, and there are a lot of kurdish both mentality, language, and looks. And the thracian is the language and looks. And then you have mixed with illyrians and other people after that. So you are a very mixed people. No wonder you had to create laws to stop from mixing. Its like the chinese they have laws to stop making so many babys.
@shqiptarkilla This "I want land" "We were here first" I would say that this is very kurdish, they are the same way and they are also indo-european. And basic albanian words and numbers are very close to the nuristani, who you now import drugs to whole of Europe from. So in a sense you havent forgot your roots after all.
@shqiptarkilla kurds sorry go check out the tribes of malisia..lol. we more white than serbs,,and bosnians and even greeks,,,lol you fail..I have to go pick my family up ill be on in half hr...
@illyrianalbanian100 Also answer me this: How many of the 78 dislikes on this video do you think are from muslim albanians and how many do you think are from regular non albanian people? It just shows that you are a very touchy people. I could bet you that at least 95% of the dislikes here are from albanians.
IGENEA dna results puts Bosnians at 50% Illyrian dna while albanians something like 30%.2.Only the northern tip of modern day Albania was illyrian the mountans.3.You dont spk Illyrian at all and please dont make me go search for tablets that you have no clue what they say..
@shqiptarkilla hahah this is not a illyrian dna,but only a slavnic dna that migrated in 6tcty,It is not native to south east balkans nor north of albania,,This is facts,,this what makes me laugh,,There dna is a young branch from the ol I haplogroup like mine is a young branch of E,,so silly
@shqiptarkilla please,,these people speak slvnic and mixed bulgarian and russian, ukraine and so on,,How can a people preserve so much dna if they dont have any language from the balkans,It is impossable its out of the question,,Albanians dna is feom where it is from and has been between 6000bc to 9000bc,,And albanians language is native to balkans,,And we have 45,6% of the E dna,So we preserved pretty much everything,,This does not make sence at all..
@illyrianalbanian100 And if there language is related to slavnics then where are the slavnics gone? there dna migrated to where they are now..These people would have to come in contact with slavs,and trust me slavs are not ilyrians,,lol
@illyrianalbanian100 And to have such a language you would have to mix your blood because nearly 95% of there language is from eastern europe far east,,towards russia,,ukaraine and so on,,,on the other hand serbians have less of I than bosnians and croatians,,Infact they also have E,,but they maybe because we fucked them hard,,Your infomation does not make sence,
The dna that bosnians croatians hold are no older than 2300yrs old..It came with the slavnic migration,,Its funny because they all belive it is the OLD I haplogroup but its not its a branch from it,,,
@illyrianalbanian100 The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development. Albanians are not mentioned before the 9th century a.d., although place names and personal names from the whole region of Albania are attested in numerous documents from the 4th century onwards.
@shqiptarkilla HAHA please,,,well if you know so much then show me the 5000 words we only had lol bet you cant,,did you know that the samarians didnt write down there culture ?so because we didnt it means we are gypsys lol,,its just proves that we were still living in tribes as even what serbs say when they came,,They said after they settled people came down from the mountains,,And we were mention in 1ctry thanx as our tribes were ..did you know that in nis there were tribes also nis is my
@illyrianalbanian100 No I am not serbian. All I am is a person from Sweden that has had bad experience with albanians. Now I do not think the albanians I have met are like you, because you are a little different than most albanians i'll give you that. But at the same time you are still calling yourself illyrianalbanian. Which race in the balkans has most illyrian DNA then you know that?
Vulgar Latin lucta 'struggle, fight' Rum. luptǎ, Arum. luftǎ, Alb. luftë
Therefore Albanian did not take shape in Illyria. The agreement in the treatment of Latin words in Rumanian and in Albanian shows that Albanian developed from the 4th till the 6th century in a region where proto-Rumanian was formed.
@shqiptarkilla not true bro..We were close to the thraco-dacians,Not to mention they think the dardanians were a mixed traco-illyrian,,modern kosova,,I want to show you something interesting ill private msg you,,
@shqiptarkilla there is no udisputed facts,,all historians agree that we are from balkans and area of kosova and upwards of albania and as far as bosnia and montenegro..
@shqiptarkilla ^THCRY LOL PLEASE dO YOU NO THE OLDEST WORD IN europe is the word GUR,it means stone,,And we speak it,,You dont understand the pre indo european we have there is much,of it,,We loaned words from latin and greek yes but i am gheg albanian not tosk,,we have words that are of latin origion that no other use today,,
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes that may or may not be true. But that doesnt change the fact that the oldest Latin elements in Albanian come from proto-Rumanian, i.e. eastern Balkan Latin, and not from Dalmatian, western Balkan Latin that was spoken in Illyria.
@shqiptarkilla Plus the words we loand from greeks they dont even speak anymore,,we an loan words we did borrow are indo european not pie,,<My cusin is a historian he told me that slavs came down from behind carpathian mountains,
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes but why do all albanians say illyrian when rumanian possesses about a hundred words which have their correspondences only in Albanian. The form of these Rumanian words is so peculiar (e.g. Rum. mazǎre = Alb. modhullë 'pea(s)') that they cannot be explained as borrowings from Albanian. This is the Dacian substratum in Rumanian, whereas the Albanian correspondences are inherited from Dacian.
@shqiptarkilla LOL its not illyrian it is thracian we share with romanians and some dacian,,Like words mal,e..zi..pa..and so much more and the words we share with them the latin language doesnt have anymore.
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes but I dont hear any albanian braging about being thracian, yet I see hundreds if not thousands videos on youtube by albanians claiming illyrian. I mean its communist/muslim propaganda it has nothing to do with reality even you yourself names yourself illyrianalbanian. It just makes people sick since your language did not develope where the illyrians lived. And even if some albanians have european looks you are far from being the majority.
@shqiptarkilla because where modern albania and kosova to montenegro were thraco-illyrians,,the dardanians were not assimulated like other illyrian tribes,,this is the reason why genetics of kosova albanians are at a high % of E,,
@illyrianalbanian100 Both tosks and ghegs have gipsy DNA you know that right? I mean if you wanna talk DNA then you have to admit to having gipsy DNA in your blod, so you have mixed a lot.
@shqiptarkilla the dna we have is very much old and the oldest in south balkans and south east,,It gave culture,agricultre,and much more,Im not romanian they were thraco-daco,lol now you get angry,why,,does it hurt you?we are one of the oldest people in balkans,,we came from where we are now
@shqiptarkilla let me guess serbs are,bosnians are,croatians are lol..give me a brake,lol,,genetics of greeks,E,albanians,E kosova albanians E,some macedonians E,bosnians I croatians I.the I is no older than 2300yrs ..and that is a fact that other people understand its a branch of the old haplogroup I and they say 25 thousand yrs old lol thats the old dna,,Just like EV-22 thats the oldest dna on this planet,,i dont say it my dna ours is a branch from that,,
@illyrianalbanian100 I see that you switched the discussion from language to DNA since the language evidence didnt hold water. Well since we are talking about DNA have you clicked the link on your right hand side called Albanian DNA?
@shqiptarkilla im not switching no way you just dont make sence if we came from romania and a other place then why do we have the E dna?this would mean that we didnt and we have been in balkans longer than others,
@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
@illyrianalbanian100 lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 10000 euros,,lol
@shqiptarkilla all i know is at some point albanians came in contact with the dacians and aka romanians,,the dacians are not far from where thracians and illyrians,and no the lwords we share are thracians not dacian,but we do little with thtem and dacian not as much as thracians and there is over 100 words we share,then we have over 300 thracians words that no one on this planet has,,
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes like I said you albanians are good at borrowing things, therefor you have illyrian loanwords, and you have mixed with illyrians. But there is a difference with being illyrians and coming later and mixing with them. You mixed with 2 of the last illyrian tribes before they vanished. Look at the video albanci illiri that I have favourited it gives you a fair look into the albanian history.
@shqiptarkilla Tell me where did we borrow the illyrian from if we are the onlyones who have illyrian:?And even thracian?the illyrian were in balkans before the slavs came??WHO we borrow from,,
@illyrianalbanian100 Im sure you have "borrowed" or stole as I would like to call it words from the illyrians. But you are not illyrians to begin with. But you have mixed with them when you came down from Romania some illyrian tribes still lived, and albanians probably killed them and took their women and mixed with them. And imagine how it looks like now when you take their history, yet you are romanian.. its very shameful.
@shqiptarkilla I wont look at that vidieo,,WHY because what you are saying is that albanians are the slavnics and use are the dwellers of balkans,,WE did mix with them we are them,,and if you dont like it stiff,,Even our culture is old,we have greeks stealing our culture aswell..What for?Because they no very well who we are,,They tryed to assimulate but didnt work..
@illyrianalbanian100 No all historians dont agree on the facts about the albanians, there are different theories, and even many albanian historians say that albanians have NOTHING to do with illyrians, and this is a fantasy and the way you treat them is the same way Saddam Hussein treated people that didnt agree with him. It strikes my as a very muslim way to deal with people who dont have the opinions you like. Thats why people do not like it.
@shqiptarkilla yes i read that but all of them are of slavnic background,,people hwo dont like it such as yourself has reasons tyo not agree because it would mean the land you sit on is my ancestors,,all about land,,tell me why no other in balkans has thracian and illyrian,,such as bosnians,,croatians,,serbians, and so on.why only albanians,,
@illyrianalbanian100 In Sweden where I live I have had many bad run ins with albanians, but also the gipsy bosnians. And also the croatians, but they I can handle because they dont go in gangs. In Sweden we have a very muslim mentality among albanians. Also I have had many things stolen by muslim albanians. And I do not like them. And thats what motivates me to speak out on albanian lies. Because I was once a victim of them and it cost me a lot of money.
@shqiptarkilla You dont just speak out on albanians as you say LIES<,you were tought propaganda,Tell me i want to ask you something were slavnics in balkans befroe albanians?This is what i want to see from you,
@illyrianalbanian100 Who cares about the slavs? I mean this is an albanian video you want to talk about the slavs lets do it in a video that is about slavs. I like the video: Sarmatian origins of the slavic people maybe you should check it out.
the greatness of Europe of its diversity, i have ended here by coincidence and from this video Albania looks like a beautiful place, the worst from Europe are the Nazi, fascist, who are just deeply ignorant people of their history and others, frustrated and possibly retarded whom are used by the powerful to carry on in power, divide the people and make money, long live to Albania and all the different people's of Europe
@ShqiperiaePaster And as for illyrians,your dilect has much less illyrian and thracians influence than what my language has,,You want 1 language no gheg,,But you not get it,,You lower are turkish greek short dark gypsys i kill you muthafuka,,call my people scum,We still follow kanun do you? qifsha derr.
@ShqiperiaePaster ta qifsha nanen,,Who you call scum you piece of shit,,Im kosova cathlioc you want to talk about scum,,You wanty to talk about south albanians,,You were all uner the turks 25yrs early than us,,Wtf you talk about,,Dont you read history it was easy for the ottomans to destroy you..Kosva albanians are more traditional than you lower tosks,you lost your ways because you want to be greeks,,,I hate the fact that some are muslim but they kept there blood clean
@ShqiperiaePaster Illyrian Pelasgians? As you are ridiculous! maybe you should finally make up your mind to Albanian in school! However, many Albanians are of this religion (Sunni and Bektashi Sufi) what a coincidence! Also some of the different ethnic Kurds, are (Sunni and Bektashi Sufi)
@Cutriso64 Speaking of which look up the video called: in fact, Dikt: Du är liv! By a Bektas Caliskan looks a lot like the albanians in Kosovo! He is kurd.
@shqiptarkilla not all true,us cathlioc albanians are white tall hazel green eyes we kept away from the turks and others these lower albanians are mixed turkish greek,,We fought with scanderbeg while these lower albanians were claening there feet..
@illyrianalbanian100 this is very true it is a shame how many albanians are traitors and follow "im with the strongest" glad not albanians suscribe to that way of thinking
@shqiptarkilla what are you talking about..What i said was true,Most kosova albanians just have shitty religion from our enemys but they kept clean of turkish blood,,Most of the kosovas were cathlioc albanians not muslim,and it pisses me off to see orthodox albanian hating and thinking they are clean from ottoman pigs,Far from the truth,,all of north albania killed turks like it was a picnic im white hazel eyes and 6ft,not dark and short,fuck all albanians who think like this pig
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes this is very true, but the most part of albanians are muslim now not christian. So most of albanians are traitors and from what I read, Kosovo has a bigger % muslim albanians than Albania.
@shqiptarkilla And for people to say we are not from balkans is complete stupid,,We are the onlyones who have language that is from balkans other than greeks,there is much thracians and illyrian and even dacian,,that is fact..
@shqiptarkilla albanian ghegs are a product of kurds lmao you kidding me right,,Im gheg tall and white with hazel eyes.we do know the gypsys of kosova who say they are albanian,we stay away from them.you really think we dont know who is who in our people,my people and tribe only mix from same tribe,,
@illyrianalbanian100 the mass-migration of Gegs-Mirdites (Kurdistan) from Asia, in the second half of the XVII century, which was made forcibly by the Osmanlian military authorities,1. had the mission to be broken christian element with a new religious-Muslim population.
@shqiptarkilla i follow the kanun leke dukagjini we dont mix our blood trust me,not even with other certain albanians tribes because we know they have mixed there blood,,you really dont understand really,if we mix blood with a serb or any other person none albanian we are banished from family for good,,i have hurd of woman being killed for doing so.,its a old cathlioc law,,north albanians are not kurds and alot of albanians in kosova are from there,,
@illyrianalbanian100 But answer me this mr albanian expert on illyrians: How come according to you there were so many sarmatian (iranian) and illyrian tribes with the same names?
@shqiptarkilla sarmatian (iranian,,lol there is not just thracian and illyrian an dacian tribes,samartians were upwards of kosova by long way,And the idiot who says shqiptar means mountain people is so not true,It means sons of eagles,If we use the word mountain we say MAL witch is 100% thracian,,,
@illyrianalbanian100 that wasnt my question though. the question was why was there so many sarmatian, and illyrian tribes with the exact same names? In fact, based on same haplogropup I and same self-identification of Illyrian Delmatae and iranian Daylami tribes.
@illyrianalbanian100 If the iranians find out you are stealing their history they will have no mercy on you that I can promise you. And for you to just dismiss all those tribe names that were the same and without any evidence claim illyrians as albanians makes you look like a fool.
@shqiptarkilla iM NOT CLAIMING THAT IM TELLING YOU THAT ALBANIANS ARE THRACIAN-ILLYRIAN,,THE LAST INFLUENCE OF ILLYRIAN WERE BY ROMANS IN WHERE KOSOVA AND NORTH ALBANIA IS AND UPLIANNA AND NIS,,LET ME REMIND YOU THAT US GHEG LANGUAGE IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT IS INFLUECED BY LATIN,,NO SERB,NO BOSNIANS,NO CROATIANS, NO 1 BUT ONLY ALBANIANS,,,ALOT OF ILLYRIAN TRIBES WERE LATIN AND GREEK,,
@shqiptarkilla sO PLEASE listen you may hate albanians so be it but dont talk shit about illyrians are serbs,,you are just mix slavnic and some albanian,,we didnt get assimulated get over it and fuck the iranians i fuck there muslim arses..
@illyrianalbanian100 Actually you should have more respect, and love for your iranian brothers, for they just like you albanians got muslimised. They are the oldest civilised people in the world. They are also the forfathers for many european peoples by the alans, sarmatians, schytians. So show respect dont be like "Albania nr 1" like a parrot. Not all iranians are muslim since the sarmatian tribes left Iran before Islam. We are here, we are watching.
@shqiptarkilla HAHAH YO REALLY BELIVE THAT SHIT,,WHILE YOU SAY THIS YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT ALSO FROM THAT AREA TRIBE OF SERDI..LOL SORRY WE DIDINT COME FROM THERE THOSES PEOPLE SPEAK A LANGUAGE CALLED UDI IT IS RUSSIAN,,LEARN SOMETHING IN YOUR LIFE START BY FINDING OUT WHO USE ARE.AS I SAID MY LANGUAGE IS NATIVE YOURS ISNT THAT IS FACT
@illyrianalbanian100 It would explain a lot, and why are you writing with big letters? I know why you have illyrian names because the communist told you to have them and you obeyed. But answer me why you have persian names? And is it a coincidence that Iran is very near Caucasus and the sarmatians were from Iran and you speak a language very close to nuristani that is an iranian language?
@shqiptarkilla 1 i wrote in big letters because i couldnt be fucked taken off caps..Dude you really are fucked up.All languages of caucasus is a rusian dilect udi,an many more we are not from there,my cusins names are none of those names you talk about alot are greek,and latin,,,then we have naes that dont excist in other languages persian lol...please ,names like aditta,means light, ilir,many other names,,,our language is illyrian thracian probs more thracian,,
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes probably more thracian I agree with you on that note. its kind of funny you know albanians are the biggest importers of taliban heroin to Europe. And when it comes to thracian or illyrian - the most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
@shqiptarkilla Not all word are of loan,,Infact we have the highest proto indo european wors in our language than you all,even greeks,We use a old way of speaking using our nasel to speak that is what differs from us to the rest of the balkans there is 5 nasel,,
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes but that still doesnt change the fact that you have the most loan words.The old home of the Albanians must have been near to that of the proto-Rumanians. The oldest Latin elements in Albanian come from proto-Rumanian, i.e. eastern Balkan Latin, and not from Dalmatian, western Balkan Latin that was spoken in Illyria. Cf. the phonetic development of the following words:
@illyrianalbanian100 Also this is very important to note that albanians totaly ignore: The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.
@shqiptarkilla Yes iagree 100%,,albanians birth places is around area of kosova and just inland a little,,Illyrinas were mainly a inland people and so was thracians...
@shqiptarkilla LOL are you reading igenea?lol please dont they were forced to take thoses samples down because oxford and standford did these tests already.I is no longer than 2300 yrs old it came with the slavnic migration,,serdi is not ilyrian,lol you are trying to base words that are simular to serbia,,Please im not south albanian i can tell you alot of illyrian tribes in my language,,And also thracian,
@shqiptarkilla illyrians and thracians are not same tribes or meanings of samartians lol ,The albanian language is mixed thracian and illyrian we even have some dacian and these people all are from balkans and from the area where we are now,our language is native to balkans and it is proven get over it.YT is not the place to miss leading others to belive albanians are gypsys there is no migration of albanians ever recorded.So belive what you want,,,there was a recorded migration
@illyrianalbanian100 I would conclude that at least some (if not all) of what is considered to be Illyrian tribes were related to Sarmatian-Veneti tribes by same origin. Note that again tribe name Delmatae is accompanied with tribe names like Sardeates, Serretes, Serapilli, Serdi, Scordisci..
@ShqiperiaePaster Then, again in 1500 the Turks were about to colonizzarvi in the Balkans, in Albania today, so your origins are linked to the Kurdish ethnic group which is located on the border between Turkey and Iran and Iraq, if you really love your people? you also love your roots! and stop fool you among yourselves, with the history of the Illyrians, got an ass?
@ShqiperiaePaster by Albanologo, I can only say that there in the world, one race more than the Albanian bastard! some good research done by ethnologists, it is estimated that you Albanians have been mixed with at least 17other people, I'll quote a few: Turkish, Iranian, Arab, Azerbaijani, Armenians, Syrians, Iraqis, Georgians, Greeks, Serbs, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Italians, you are a part of the Kurds in 1300, which are migrants to persecution by the Turks!
I have no other account. However I could name all of yours since you Are the one with multi accounts on here. By the way, why Are these serbs so illogical?
Nothing of this is true!! I am Christian Orthodox Albanian, my ancestors were living in Europe long before Slavs. We Albanians are modern illyrians !! Our language is Albanian ( SHQIP ) which is not Latin !! Those pictures of the KLA , they are not Albanians they are Kosovars, almost the same language almost the same people but not !!! They are Islamic People , Albanians are not Islamic people , Albania is not an Islamic Country !!!
If you think Albanians arent white, than look at fucking Italians, or even fucking porkchops.
gimi300 18 hours ago
these people are definitely not european. they are a mixture of barbarous turks and traitorous whites who collaborated with the enemy because they were weak and immoral. albania, or as i call it "new pakistan" is a shit stain on europe. i have a hunch this nation will never be a prosperous, technologically advanced country like germany or south korea. instead it will always be a poor, backward place whose people will flee it and immigrate to better countries any chance they get.
pictlane 1 day ago
and once they flee to better, more prosperous nations albanians enrich those nations by creating ghettos full of crime and welfare dependency. hey albanians if you really have pride in your culture prove it by staying in your countries and not immigrating to other nations.
pictlane 1 day ago
@pictlane That's kind of ignorant because people of MANY countries immigrated to the United States but they still have pride in the culture from the countries they came from.
PrEppYNYCBoi 22 hours ago
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pictlane 1 day ago
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tozmaj 1 week ago
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tozmaj 1 week ago
How is it that we begged the Serbs to take us in when Albanians were in the Balkans before Serbs??? Serbians were all the criminals and gypsy of Russia that were exiled as moved to the Balkan peninsula, Serbs are gypsys not us, you don't understand what would happen to you if Said something like this to a real "Albanian" in real life not on the Internet you little bitch
junkbox89 1 week ago
That is absolutely the dumbmest thing I ever herd!!
nostwinturbo 2 weeks ago
I'm afraid that many people are confused as to what a Christian is. I grew up in a Catholic community, and most of the people I know in that community have nothing in common with New Testament Christianity. I see Catholicism and Islam as being very closely related in practice. The vast majority live ungodly lives and have no interest in the actual teaching of Jesus. The most important thing in life is to know Christ. He is Lord. He is the only Saviour.
IWUZDED 2 weeks ago
WHILE THE SERBS HAD TREATIS WITH TURKS
ALBANIANS GAVE 4 POPES TO VATIKAN.
MONGOLOID SLAV PROPAGANDA, IRANIAN, CHINESE AND NORTHERN KOREA SUPPORTER=SERBIA
dukoduli 2 weeks ago
@dukoduli who cares this is a video about albanians
shqiptarkilla 2 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla
LMAO..KEEP IT UP, TAKE OUT ALL THE ANGER THAT YOU HAVE, IT WILL HELP IN YOUR REDEMPTION..
JUST YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY MAKE YOU FEEL THIS WAY, INSTEAD TAKING YOUR ANGER IN THE YOUTUBE, ATLEAST YOU MIGHT HAVE FELT A VIKING INSTEAD OF A FAGGOT, WHAT YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE..HEY NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A FAGGOT..
dukoduli 2 weeks ago
@dukoduli I dont actually think its the persons who have fucked with me fault, I think albanians are like an entity like the borg from star wars. Of course not all, the christians seem more reasonable and understanding. While muslim albanians that ive come across have acted more like an entity. Thats why I go after the entity not indivuduals in the entity
shqiptarkilla 2 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla
..well if thats how you feel, thats how you feel.You set your preferences how you set the, the muslim Albanians are the same as christian Albanians.As majority converted in the 17th century, so to call one or the other a separate entity is ignorance.I am a muslim but before the 17th or 18th century my forefathers were Christian. I can change the religion and vice versa it does not affect my ancestory. Albanians, christian or muslim ancestors have payed their dues to Christianity
dukoduli 2 weeks ago
@dukoduli
If my forfathers were not as proud as they were and have not fought the Turks for long 100 years which caused 100 000's of deaths in the 15th and 16th century, instead to have made treaties with the Turks as the rest of the Slavs. Today their descendants of those dead would have counted today as Million's of Albanians in the Balkans. Then I doubt any would have converted. So I say my forefathers have payed the dues to the Christianity dearly. While your forefathers were drunkyards :)
dukoduli 2 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla You consider yourself Catholic you say? Well, my nation gave 4 Popes to Vatican and numerous cardinals, shall I also mention Mother Theresa?
And what did you exactly, the Swedes, give to Christianity besides trolling Albanian youtube videos?I tell you what nothing, Zero,Zilch and nada.And you ask yourself how Kosovo earned Independence. And you do not ask yourself why there were so many refugees of Albanians, or their prosecution from the Serbs who actually are the cause of ww1/2
dukoduli 2 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla
Why dont you google the cause of ww1,and more precisely who caused it? And then google how many of your fellow 'Christians' died in that war?? = since you are that religious and some sort of self proclaimed christian protectorate..
But how can you, as your heart is full of hatred, then it can not search for truth. If it wasn't for these Albanians who you are cursing, who stopped the greatest turkish advance ever, who knows were would they have ended up...
dukoduli 2 weeks ago
@dukoduli I dont like albanians because its personal they have cost me a lot of money and I am very sad, angry and mad about this. As far as serbs goes, I dont have any bad experiences with them. For sure I dont like the fact that the jugoslav war caused many bosnians to come to Sweden but that was not their intent so I can only dislike for what people do to me on purpose and different albanians have done a lot without reason.
shqiptarkilla 2 days ago
@shqiptarkilla
Well, get over it man. People get robbed all the time.
I can also see that you are not pretty smart.
Look at the Greeks, they have stollen 700 to 1 trillion billion of Euros from the banks of Europe, causing millions of jobs, suicides, economical crisis all over Europe etc. But you don't go hating the Greeks now do you.
Look man, grow up and grow a thicker skin, stop moaning about it, as no one gives a shit who you happen to hate or love....
dukoduli 1 day ago
@dukoduli Well its not gonna go down like that, because there were too many incidents, albanians are now my enemies for life. And trust me if the shoe were on the other foot you would not be so forgiving. And I have never got robbed, I got my shit broken into when I was a sleep, and thats a bitch move. I wont say typical of albanian because you would report me right away for "hate speach" but I think you catch my drift.
shqiptarkilla 1 day ago
@shqiptarkilla
Somehow I find it hard to believe. Anyway, good for you man keep on hating, dont think we give shit.
By the look of it you deserved it, hope you learned your lesson and dont fuck with the Albos again, or at least stick to the YT, as I am sure you have learned by now not to say it to their face..:)
dukoduli 1 day ago
@dukoduli Well that was the thing I didnt fuck with albos, I thought they were my friends. But I learned a lesson and the lesson is dont trust albos. And give back what they have taken from you.
shqiptarkilla 5 hours ago
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LOL
MONGOL PROPAGANDA!!
THE WHOLE OF EUROPE KNOWS THAT SERBS ARE FROM MONGOLIA LIKE THEIR COUSINS TURKS.
MORE ALBANIANS DIED FOR CHRISTIANITY THEN ALL THE SLAVS PUT TOGETHER
dukoduli 2 weeks ago
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LOL
MONGOL PROPAGANDA!!
THE WHOLE OF EUROPE KNOWS THAT SERBS ARE FROM MONGOLIA LIKE THEIR COUSINS TURKS.
MORE ALBANIANS DIED FOR CHRISTIANITY THEN ALL THE SLAVS PUT TOGETHER
dukoduli 2 weeks ago
LOL
MONGOL PROPAGANDA!!
THE WHOLE OF EUROPE KNOWS THAT SERBS ARE FROM MONGOLIA LIKE THEIR COUSINS TURKS.
MORE ALBANIANS DIED FOR CHRISTIANITY THEN ALL THE SLAVS PUT TOGETHER
dukoduli 2 weeks ago
This was the stupidest video I have ever watched.
egzona5 2 weeks ago
great comment by ALBANOI ALBANOPOLIS .;) the same i was going to say ...
dqduka 2 weeks ago
@dqduka Yes it would sound logical that you would agree with something that has been disproven but sounds good to you. Thats how myths are born by taking fantasys before truth.
shqiptarkilla 2 weeks ago
you walter99wolf yes you SUPER IDIOT,first of all "Shqiptar" means,(son of the eagle),second,the albanian languageis is indo-european,it is unique in this planet...not dirty like yours is..
third...before turkish occupation albanians were all christians...
fourth... caucasian albania has nothing to do with albania (country),the name albania (country) comes from Albanopolis,which was the city of the Albanoi, an Illyrian tribe.
fifth ....learn english and then history SUPER IDIOT !
AlbanoiAlbanopolis 2 weeks ago
hahahaa so does this mean im not CATHOLIC WELL HERES A SUGGESTION TAKE THIS BULL SHIT VIDEO AND STICK IT UP YOUR PROPAGANDA ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Albanianwarrior96 3 weeks ago
LOL BULLSHIT VIDEO!!! AHAHAHHAH SHQIPTAR MEAN = SON OF THE EAGLE IDIOT AHAHAHHAHAH
JUMPENKILLER 3 weeks ago
crazy brown muslims
BlackSorceryShop 3 weeks ago
@BlackSorceryShop ahahahah idiot so how do you explane the existence of Mother Teresa of calcuta?? she's Albanian and catholic
JUMPENKILLER 3 weeks ago
@JUMPENKILLER she was brown gypsy who converted Christianity, case closed.
BlackSorceryShop 3 weeks ago
MATHERFUCKER FUCKING SERB
InTheHouse71 3 weeks ago
I didn't watch the video, I read the description instead. No facts, and plenty of error. The first thing written defines the word Shqiptar as meaning mountain people. Thats not true. Shqipe means eagle, which happens to be the symbol on the Albanian flag. So if the first piece of information is false, why keep reading. By the way, I didn't dislike the video. Judging by the comment, I'm pretty sure its not worth watching.
IWUZDED 3 weeks ago
@IWUZDED First of all, do you also go and comment the videos were albanian claim without proof that they are the lost people of atlantis, that alexander the great was albanian or albanians are the oldest people in the world? And for the shqiptar, its not proven what it means or where it came from, there are different theories. So who are you to tell us what is right and what is wrong? You must think very highly of yourself so I suspect you are one of them.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla Yes I do object to stupid claims from Albanians as well. Shqipe means eagle. I am Albanian, and I know that's how to say eagle. Alexander the Great was Greek. The oldest people in the world were Adam and Eve who's entire seed was wiped out in the flood of Genisis 6. Then the world was replenished by Noa and his three sons who landed in the mountains of Ararat in modern Turkey. And no I don't think highly of myself at all. I'm a sinner saved by the grace of God.
IWUZDED 2 weeks ago
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shqiptarkilla 2 weeks ago
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@IWUZDED This is what I thought. Well this is very true, I appreciate your honesty. There are both christian and muslim albanians here in Sweden. I used to hang out with muslim albanians, and they told me that in Albania muslims and christians dont get along, but here in Sweden they are more friendly against each other. I can say that these muslim albanians that i've met are the worst snakes I have ever met.
shqiptarkilla 2 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla It's enough to read your name to understand that you are an moron,an Idiot,nothing more...
..."shqiptarkilla"... ehhh animal,back to siberia ...!!
AlbanoiAlbanopolis 2 weeks ago
@AlbanoiAlbanopolis Its funny you mention Albanoi and Albanopolis as something that would make illyrians albanian. Actually do you know that more illyrian tribes had iranian names than albanian? No? But now you know. Now go back to mama and ask her why that is. I bet she know;)
shqiptarkilla 2 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla i am sure that is a true incontestable fact...that your scientific super mega idiot brain have made it...
AlbanoiAlbanopolis 2 weeks ago
@AlbanoiAlbanopolis It just goes to show how little you know. For one it is PROVEN that albanoi and albanopolis or whatever u wanna call it have NOTHING to do with albanians. And even if you want to make that connection then you would also have to make the connection to iranian tribes that many more than two have the same names as illyrian tribes.
shqiptarkilla 2 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla god help you,and i hope some day you see the light in the end of the tunnel of stupidity...
AlbanoiAlbanopolis 2 weeks ago
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shqiptarkilla 2 weeks ago
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@AlbanoiAlbanopolis I hope you come to terms with the fact that your forefathers were not brave illyrians but gipsys and thracians. And stop living in la-la land, its not good for you.
shqiptarkilla 2 weeks ago
This is my conclusion about the albanians: Kosovar are albanian gipsys. SHQ is not european. Also some albanian tribes are from kurdistan and speak a language very close to nuristani.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla Not my tribe,we dont mix,kosova albanians have the highest% of E than the greeks,,so how are they gypsys,,These genetics are telling a story,,That albanians and greeks are pretty much related,,greeks belive thracians and illyrians were greeks,,And the dardanians also greeks,,But i dont belive it because this would make us more greek than them,,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla How do you know SHQ is not european?how did language form,Did they sit down and just say yer this will do,,,as i said we lived sicluded from other for a long time anything can look none europen to others because they were not near us,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Only in caucasus languages you have this, and in Albanian.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 And im sure no people from the balkans would go and live in Caucasus
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla I didnt understand this
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Well let me put it to you this way. I think albanians are a mix of thracians/kurds/gipsys. Some tribes as you know, have gipsy blood, and there are a lot of kurdish both mentality, language, and looks. And the thracian is the language and looks. And then you have mixed with illyrians and other people after that. So you are a very mixed people. No wonder you had to create laws to stop from mixing. Its like the chinese they have laws to stop making so many babys.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla This "I want land" "We were here first" I would say that this is very kurdish, they are the same way and they are also indo-european. And basic albanian words and numbers are very close to the nuristani, who you now import drugs to whole of Europe from. So in a sense you havent forgot your roots after all.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla kurds sorry go check out the tribes of malisia..lol. we more white than serbs,,and bosnians and even greeks,,,lol you fail..I have to go pick my family up ill be on in half hr...
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Okay. see you later:) Allthough If you google ethnic albanians you will not get any white people:) cheers
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Also answer me this: How many of the 78 dislikes on this video do you think are from muslim albanians and how many do you think are from regular non albanian people? It just shows that you are a very touchy people. I could bet you that at least 95% of the dislikes here are from albanians.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla hahah wouldnt you if some one was rubbishing your people...Its normal idiot..
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
IGENEA dna results puts Bosnians at 50% Illyrian dna while albanians something like 30%.2.Only the northern tip of modern day Albania was illyrian the mountans.3.You dont spk Illyrian at all and please dont make me go search for tablets that you have no clue what they say..
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla hahah this is not a illyrian dna,but only a slavnic dna that migrated in 6tcty,It is not native to south east balkans nor north of albania,,This is facts,,this what makes me laugh,,There dna is a young branch from the ol I haplogroup like mine is a young branch of E,,so silly
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla please,,these people speak slvnic and mixed bulgarian and russian, ukraine and so on,,How can a people preserve so much dna if they dont have any language from the balkans,It is impossable its out of the question,,Albanians dna is feom where it is from and has been between 6000bc to 9000bc,,And albanians language is native to balkans,,And we have 45,6% of the E dna,So we preserved pretty much everything,,This does not make sence at all..
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 And if there language is related to slavnics then where are the slavnics gone? there dna migrated to where they are now..These people would have to come in contact with slavs,and trust me slavs are not ilyrians,,lol
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 And to have such a language you would have to mix your blood because nearly 95% of there language is from eastern europe far east,,towards russia,,ukaraine and so on,,,on the other hand serbians have less of I than bosnians and croatians,,Infact they also have E,,but they maybe because we fucked them hard,,Your infomation does not make sence,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Check your email you will love this
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
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shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
The dna that bosnians croatians hold are no older than 2300yrs old..It came with the slavnic migration,,Its funny because they all belive it is the OLD I haplogroup but its not its a branch from it,,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development. Albanians are not mentioned before the 9th century a.d., although place names and personal names from the whole region of Albania are attested in numerous documents from the 4th century onwards.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla HAHA please,,,well if you know so much then show me the 5000 words we only had lol bet you cant,,did you know that the samarians didnt write down there culture ?so because we didnt it means we are gypsys lol,,its just proves that we were still living in tribes as even what serbs say when they came,,They said after they settled people came down from the mountains,,And we were mention in 1ctry thanx as our tribes were ..did you know that in nis there were tribes also nis is my
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 language,,So give it up..no more propaganda from you,,Are you serbian,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 No I am not serbian. All I am is a person from Sweden that has had bad experience with albanians. Now I do not think the albanians I have met are like you, because you are a little different than most albanians i'll give you that. But at the same time you are still calling yourself illyrianalbanian. Which race in the balkans has most illyrian DNA then you know that?
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla haha show me witch then i show you the genetics from others tan igenea who dont agree,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
Vulgar Latin caballum 'horse' Rum. cal, Alb. kal
Vulgar Latin cubitum 'elbow' Rum. cot. Alb. kut
Vulgar Latin lucta 'struggle, fight' Rum. luptǎ, Arum. luftǎ, Alb. luftë
Therefore Albanian did not take shape in Illyria. The agreement in the treatment of Latin words in Rumanian and in Albanian shows that Albanian developed from the 4th till the 6th century in a region where proto-Rumanian was formed.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla not true bro..We were close to the thraco-dacians,Not to mention they think the dardanians were a mixed traco-illyrian,,modern kosova,,I want to show you something interesting ill private msg you,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 What exactly is not true? These are undisputed facts i present you.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla there is no udisputed facts,,all historians agree that we are from balkans and area of kosova and upwards of albania and as far as bosnia and montenegro..
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla ^THCRY LOL PLEASE dO YOU NO THE OLDEST WORD IN europe is the word GUR,it means stone,,And we speak it,,You dont understand the pre indo european we have there is much,of it,,We loaned words from latin and greek yes but i am gheg albanian not tosk,,we have words that are of latin origion that no other use today,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 lol 6try,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
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@illyrianalbanian100 Yes that may or may not be true. But that doesnt change the fact that the oldest Latin elements in Albanian come from proto-Rumanian, i.e. eastern Balkan Latin, and not from Dalmatian, western Balkan Latin that was spoken in Illyria.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla Plus the words we loand from greeks they dont even speak anymore,,we an loan words we did borrow are indo european not pie,,<My cusin is a historian he told me that slavs came down from behind carpathian mountains,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla romanians are daco-thracian,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes but why do all albanians say illyrian when rumanian possesses about a hundred words which have their correspondences only in Albanian. The form of these Rumanian words is so peculiar (e.g. Rum. mazǎre = Alb. modhullë 'pea(s)') that they cannot be explained as borrowings from Albanian. This is the Dacian substratum in Rumanian, whereas the Albanian correspondences are inherited from Dacian.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla LOL its not illyrian it is thracian we share with romanians and some dacian,,Like words mal,e..zi..pa..and so much more and the words we share with them the latin language doesnt have anymore.
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes but I dont hear any albanian braging about being thracian, yet I see hundreds if not thousands videos on youtube by albanians claiming illyrian. I mean its communist/muslim propaganda it has nothing to do with reality even you yourself names yourself illyrianalbanian. It just makes people sick since your language did not develope where the illyrians lived. And even if some albanians have european looks you are far from being the majority.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla because where modern albania and kosova to montenegro were thraco-illyrians,,the dardanians were not assimulated like other illyrian tribes,,this is the reason why genetics of kosova albanians are at a high % of E,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Both tosks and ghegs have gipsy DNA you know that right? I mean if you wanna talk DNA then you have to admit to having gipsy DNA in your blod, so you have mixed a lot.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla the dna we have is very much old and the oldest in south balkans and south east,,It gave culture,agricultre,and much more,Im not romanian they were thraco-daco,lol now you get angry,why,,does it hurt you?we are one of the oldest people in balkans,,we came from where we are now
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Well no see you are not, and I will tell you why you are not the oldest in the balkans.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla let me guess serbs are,bosnians are,croatians are lol..give me a brake,lol,,genetics of greeks,E,albanians,E kosova albanians E,some macedonians E,bosnians I croatians I.the I is no older than 2300yrs ..and that is a fact that other people understand its a branch of the old haplogroup I and they say 25 thousand yrs old lol thats the old dna,,Just like EV-22 thats the oldest dna on this planet,,i dont say it my dna ours is a branch from that,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 I see that you switched the discussion from language to DNA since the language evidence didnt hold water. Well since we are talking about DNA have you clicked the link on your right hand side called Albanian DNA?
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla im not switching no way you just dont make sence if we came from romania and a other place then why do we have the E dna?this would mean that we didnt and we have been in balkans longer than others,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 kosovo has the least illyrian dna...at less than 3%
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 This is true, these DNA results dont give the whole truth. But let me test you in another way
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
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@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
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@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
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@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
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@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
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@illyrianalbanian100 lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 100000000000 euros,,lol
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
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@shqiptarkilla lol there is no illyrian dna, you fool..but only haplogroups..I bet you cant show me the bones these people have tested from i put 10000 euros,,lol
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla all i know is at some point albanians came in contact with the dacians and aka romanians,,the dacians are not far from where thracians and illyrians,and no the lwords we share are thracians not dacian,but we do little with thtem and dacian not as much as thracians and there is over 100 words we share,then we have over 300 thracians words that no one on this planet has,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes like I said you albanians are good at borrowing things, therefor you have illyrian loanwords, and you have mixed with illyrians. But there is a difference with being illyrians and coming later and mixing with them. You mixed with 2 of the last illyrian tribes before they vanished. Look at the video albanci illiri that I have favourited it gives you a fair look into the albanian history.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla Tell me where did we borrow the illyrian from if we are the onlyones who have illyrian:?And even thracian?the illyrian were in balkans before the slavs came??WHO we borrow from,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Im sure you have "borrowed" or stole as I would like to call it words from the illyrians. But you are not illyrians to begin with. But you have mixed with them when you came down from Romania some illyrian tribes still lived, and albanians probably killed them and took their women and mixed with them. And imagine how it looks like now when you take their history, yet you are romanian.. its very shameful.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla I wont look at that vidieo,,WHY because what you are saying is that albanians are the slavnics and use are the dwellers of balkans,,WE did mix with them we are them,,and if you dont like it stiff,,Even our culture is old,we have greeks stealing our culture aswell..What for?Because they no very well who we are,,They tryed to assimulate but didnt work..
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 No all historians dont agree on the facts about the albanians, there are different theories, and even many albanian historians say that albanians have NOTHING to do with illyrians, and this is a fantasy and the way you treat them is the same way Saddam Hussein treated people that didnt agree with him. It strikes my as a very muslim way to deal with people who dont have the opinions you like. Thats why people do not like it.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla yes i read that but all of them are of slavnic background,,people hwo dont like it such as yourself has reasons tyo not agree because it would mean the land you sit on is my ancestors,,all about land,,tell me why no other in balkans has thracian and illyrian,,such as bosnians,,croatians,,serbians, and so on.why only albanians,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 In Sweden where I live I have had many bad run ins with albanians, but also the gipsy bosnians. And also the croatians, but they I can handle because they dont go in gangs. In Sweden we have a very muslim mentality among albanians. Also I have had many things stolen by muslim albanians. And I do not like them. And thats what motivates me to speak out on albanian lies. Because I was once a victim of them and it cost me a lot of money.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla You dont just speak out on albanians as you say LIES<,you were tought propaganda,Tell me i want to ask you something were slavnics in balkans befroe albanians?This is what i want to see from you,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Who cares about the slavs? I mean this is an albanian video you want to talk about the slavs lets do it in a video that is about slavs. I like the video: Sarmatian origins of the slavic people maybe you should check it out.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
the greatness of Europe of its diversity, i have ended here by coincidence and from this video Albania looks like a beautiful place, the worst from Europe are the Nazi, fascist, who are just deeply ignorant people of their history and others, frustrated and possibly retarded whom are used by the powerful to carry on in power, divide the people and make money, long live to Albania and all the different people's of Europe
urbanbehive8 3 weeks ago
Who ever the fuck did this the FAGGOTS serbs of course we dont ive a shit what anyone say ight pussys ;)
baba33h 3 weeks ago
@ShqiperiaePaster true albanians are not dark and short,if you have these features you are gypsy turkish greek,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@ShqiperiaePaster Cathlioc albanians are tall,,not short,white,not dark,and beautiful green hazel eyes,,not short dark hair dark eyes and dark skin
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@ShqiperiaePaster And as for illyrians,your dilect has much less illyrian and thracians influence than what my language has,,You want 1 language no gheg,,But you not get it,,You lower are turkish greek short dark gypsys i kill you muthafuka,,call my people scum,We still follow kanun do you? qifsha derr.
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@ShqiperiaePaster ta qifsha nanen,,Who you call scum you piece of shit,,Im kosova cathlioc you want to talk about scum,,You wanty to talk about south albanians,,You were all uner the turks 25yrs early than us,,Wtf you talk about,,Dont you read history it was easy for the ottomans to destroy you..Kosva albanians are more traditional than you lower tosks,you lost your ways because you want to be greeks,,,I hate the fact that some are muslim but they kept there blood clean
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
who ever made this video is one stupid idiot! Flagged and thumbs down...
thesoftish 4 weeks ago
@ShqiperiaePaster Illyrian Pelasgians? As you are ridiculous! maybe you should finally make up your mind to Albanian in school! However, many Albanians are of this religion (Sunni and Bektashi Sufi) what a coincidence! Also some of the different ethnic Kurds, are (Sunni and Bektashi Sufi)
Cutriso64 4 weeks ago
@Cutriso64 Speaking of which look up the video called: in fact, Dikt: Du är liv! By a Bektas Caliskan looks a lot like the albanians in Kosovo! He is kurd.
shqiptarkilla 4 weeks ago
Albanians are a product of wild kurds that mixed with other peoples, thats why they like to claim land that isnt theirs
shqiptarkilla 1 month ago
@shqiptarkilla not all true,us cathlioc albanians are white tall hazel green eyes we kept away from the turks and others these lower albanians are mixed turkish greek,,We fought with scanderbeg while these lower albanians were claening there feet..
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 this is very true it is a shame how many albanians are traitors and follow "im with the strongest" glad not albanians suscribe to that way of thinking
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla what are you talking about..What i said was true,Most kosova albanians just have shitty religion from our enemys but they kept clean of turkish blood,,Most of the kosovas were cathlioc albanians not muslim,and it pisses me off to see orthodox albanian hating and thinking they are clean from ottoman pigs,Far from the truth,,all of north albania killed turks like it was a picnic im white hazel eyes and 6ft,not dark and short,fuck all albanians who think like this pig
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes this is very true, but the most part of albanians are muslim now not christian. So most of albanians are traitors and from what I read, Kosovo has a bigger % muslim albanians than Albania.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla I dont belive there is more muslims in kosova no way,I do belive most dont have any religion..
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla And for people to say we are not from balkans is complete stupid,,We are the onlyones who have language that is from balkans other than greeks,there is much thracians and illyrian and even dacian,,that is fact..
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 True fatherland of the Gegs is NOT Macedonia, but the vilaet of Caucasus.
Albanian-Gegs are the product of wild Kurds. And this would explain a lot would bet you that it is the gegs that are more muslim.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla albanian ghegs are a product of kurds lmao you kidding me right,,Im gheg tall and white with hazel eyes.we do know the gypsys of kosova who say they are albanian,we stay away from them.you really think we dont know who is who in our people,my people and tribe only mix from same tribe,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 the mass-migration of Gegs-Mirdites (Kurdistan) from Asia, in the second half of the XVII century, which was made forcibly by the Osmanlian military authorities,1. had the mission to be broken christian element with a new religious-Muslim population.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla i follow the kanun leke dukagjini we dont mix our blood trust me,not even with other certain albanians tribes because we know they have mixed there blood,,you really dont understand really,if we mix blood with a serb or any other person none albanian we are banished from family for good,,i have hurd of woman being killed for doing so.,its a old cathlioc law,,north albanians are not kurds and alot of albanians in kosova are from there,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 But answer me this mr albanian expert on illyrians: How come according to you there were so many sarmatian (iranian) and illyrian tribes with the same names?
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla sarmatian (iranian,,lol there is not just thracian and illyrian an dacian tribes,samartians were upwards of kosova by long way,And the idiot who says shqiptar means mountain people is so not true,It means sons of eagles,If we use the word mountain we say MAL witch is 100% thracian,,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 that wasnt my question though. the question was why was there so many sarmatian, and illyrian tribes with the exact same names? In fact, based on same haplogropup I and same self-identification of Illyrian Delmatae and iranian Daylami tribes.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla Please that has no conection at all,Most of the illyrian tribes were more latin and greek names than anything sarmartian,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 If the iranians find out you are stealing their history they will have no mercy on you that I can promise you. And for you to just dismiss all those tribe names that were the same and without any evidence claim illyrians as albanians makes you look like a fool.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla OH PLEASE TALK IS OVER IRANIAN ARE THINKING HOW STUPID USE ARE,,SORRY ITS FACT
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla iM NOT CLAIMING THAT IM TELLING YOU THAT ALBANIANS ARE THRACIAN-ILLYRIAN,,THE LAST INFLUENCE OF ILLYRIAN WERE BY ROMANS IN WHERE KOSOVA AND NORTH ALBANIA IS AND UPLIANNA AND NIS,,LET ME REMIND YOU THAT US GHEG LANGUAGE IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT IS INFLUECED BY LATIN,,NO SERB,NO BOSNIANS,NO CROATIANS, NO 1 BUT ONLY ALBANIANS,,,ALOT OF ILLYRIAN TRIBES WERE LATIN AND GREEK,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla sO PLEASE listen you may hate albanians so be it but dont talk shit about illyrians are serbs,,you are just mix slavnic and some albanian,,we didnt get assimulated get over it and fuck the iranians i fuck there muslim arses..
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Actually you should have more respect, and love for your iranian brothers, for they just like you albanians got muslimised. They are the oldest civilised people in the world. They are also the forfathers for many european peoples by the alans, sarmatians, schytians. So show respect dont be like "Albania nr 1" like a parrot. Not all iranians are muslim since the sarmatian tribes left Iran before Islam. We are here, we are watching.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla HAHAH YO REALLY BELIVE THAT SHIT,,WHILE YOU SAY THIS YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT ALSO FROM THAT AREA TRIBE OF SERDI..LOL SORRY WE DIDINT COME FROM THERE THOSES PEOPLE SPEAK A LANGUAGE CALLED UDI IT IS RUSSIAN,,LEARN SOMETHING IN YOUR LIFE START BY FINDING OUT WHO USE ARE.AS I SAID MY LANGUAGE IS NATIVE YOURS ISNT THAT IS FACT
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 It would explain a lot, and why are you writing with big letters? I know why you have illyrian names because the communist told you to have them and you obeyed. But answer me why you have persian names? And is it a coincidence that Iran is very near Caucasus and the sarmatians were from Iran and you speak a language very close to nuristani that is an iranian language?
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla 1 i wrote in big letters because i couldnt be fucked taken off caps..Dude you really are fucked up.All languages of caucasus is a rusian dilect udi,an many more we are not from there,my cusins names are none of those names you talk about alot are greek,and latin,,,then we have naes that dont excist in other languages persian lol...please ,names like aditta,means light, ilir,many other names,,,our language is illyrian thracian probs more thracian,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes probably more thracian I agree with you on that note. its kind of funny you know albanians are the biggest importers of taliban heroin to Europe. And when it comes to thracian or illyrian - the most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla Not all word are of loan,,Infact we have the highest proto indo european wors in our language than you all,even greeks,We use a old way of speaking using our nasel to speak that is what differs from us to the rest of the balkans there is 5 nasel,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Yes but that still doesnt change the fact that you have the most loan words.The old home of the Albanians must have been near to that of the proto-Rumanians. The oldest Latin elements in Albanian come from proto-Rumanian, i.e. eastern Balkan Latin, and not from Dalmatian, western Balkan Latin that was spoken in Illyria. Cf. the phonetic development of the following words:
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Also this is very important to note that albanians totaly ignore: The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla Yes iagree 100%,,albanians birth places is around area of kosova and just inland a little,,Illyrinas were mainly a inland people and so was thracians...
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla LOL are you reading igenea?lol please dont they were forced to take thoses samples down because oxford and standford did these tests already.I is no longer than 2300 yrs old it came with the slavnic migration,,serdi is not ilyrian,lol you are trying to base words that are simular to serbia,,Please im not south albanian i can tell you alot of illyrian tribes in my language,,And also thracian,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla albanians is E and belive it or not serbians have 27% also,,i think some are assimulated albanians,,,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@shqiptarkilla illyrians and thracians are not same tribes or meanings of samartians lol ,The albanian language is mixed thracian and illyrian we even have some dacian and these people all are from balkans and from the area where we are now,our language is native to balkans and it is proven get over it.YT is not the place to miss leading others to belive albanians are gypsys there is no migration of albanians ever recorded.So belive what you want,,,there was a recorded migration
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 Of you serbs by romans and greeks,,use came from behind carpathian mountains...between 6thcrty,
illyrianalbanian100 3 weeks ago
@illyrianalbanian100 I would conclude that at least some (if not all) of what is considered to be Illyrian tribes were related to Sarmatian-Veneti tribes by same origin. Note that again tribe name Delmatae is accompanied with tribe names like Sardeates, Serretes, Serapilli, Serdi, Scordisci..
shqiptarkilla 3 weeks ago
if we make a shit on the ground that shit is better than a 1000 serbs
adhuruesi 1 month ago
@ShqiperiaePaster goat before you open your asshole! at least go to school and learn to read and write ...
Cutriso64 1 month ago
@ShqiperiaePaster Then, again in 1500 the Turks were about to colonizzarvi in the Balkans, in Albania today, so your origins are linked to the Kurdish ethnic group which is located on the border between Turkey and Iran and Iraq, if you really love your people? you also love your roots! and stop fool you among yourselves, with the history of the Illyrians, got an ass?
Cutriso64 1 month ago
@ShqiperiaePaster by Albanologo, I can only say that there in the world, one race more than the Albanian bastard! some good research done by ethnologists, it is estimated that you Albanians have been mixed with at least 17other people, I'll quote a few: Turkish, Iranian, Arab, Azerbaijani, Armenians, Syrians, Iraqis, Georgians, Greeks, Serbs, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Italians, you are a part of the Kurds in 1300, which are migrants to persecution by the Turks!
Cutriso64 1 month ago
@ShqiperiaePaster E1b1b 47.40% Kosovar albanians hahhahahah stupid squiptars mongrels! look dna on wikipedia
DajanaSrbijaPetkovic 1 month ago
MIR JU QIFSHA ROPT GANGSTERA YOUTUBI SE SA DIGJONI SHQIPTAR E BENI SHURREN NE BREK RUGEVE TE EVROPES
MrDafi1982 1 month ago
I have no other account. However I could name all of yours since you Are the one with multi accounts on here. By the way, why Are these serbs so illogical?
0502ez 1 month ago
Nothing of this is true!! I am Christian Orthodox Albanian, my ancestors were living in Europe long before Slavs. We Albanians are modern illyrians !! Our language is Albanian ( SHQIP ) which is not Latin !! Those pictures of the KLA , they are not Albanians they are Kosovars, almost the same language almost the same people but not !!! They are Islamic People , Albanians are not Islamic people , Albania is not an Islamic Country !!!
pitushi 1 month ago
@pitushi You are wild kurds from Iran
shqiptarkilla 1 month ago
@shqiptarkilla what makes you thing that!!?? this video ?? because there are no facts out there !!!
pitushi 1 month ago