u wanna say the translations wrong how about you look at the original texts in original language and see if it says gay is ok...it wont. And if you dont want to do this its pretty obvious that the translations throughout many years have not shown any movement toward seeing homosexual relations as legitimate and morally sound.
The day i see the Bible translated to say "partner" instead of wife is the day i know society would become completely liberal.
you can dance around these interpretations to say homosexual activity is okay.
You know what when the Bible says about sex it usually says like slept with or so, so when Jonathan gives David equipment that is a ridiculous conclusion.
You will find no passage applauding such activity. Such unity is always talked of as between man and woman.
It's good that you took the time to talk about this issue but I still think that the Bible probably condemns homosexuality, if only because of the context of that culture. Does God condemn homosexuality (I have a hard time believing God literally wrote the Bible verbatim)? That's the real and maybe unanswerable question for me. And I'm sorry for the comments lacking in charity to you friend. Peace.
You're not taking away from my free speech are you? I really hope you have a great day today. Cheer up! No really. I don't even know you. You're probably really cool. I just don't agree with what you believe.
I'm just grouping you all together. I've heard pedifiles defending their attractions to little boys the same way Homos defend their man laying with man endeavors. The truth will continue to hurt the WRONG. God loves you.....just not what you do. Have a less bitter day.
I am NOT somebody you want to fuck with right now Maggot. now, you can publicly apologize for your statements or I will do everything I can to bring you down for slander and a hate crime. Do not try me boy, beacuse I am in no mood with the way things are going right now.
Coincidentally we had the same ideas though it's not as well researched as yours, I happened to have thought about the same thing in the part of the corinthians. And about twisting it, these people just won't accept it no matter how well explained a matter is because of their beliefs and just let them be. The more they speak about it, the more it shows that they know lesser about it. Thank you
i' ve heard that jewish people use to have the tradition of enlarging their families. they really value the fertility and a lot of sons and daughters. so considering that homosexuality is a infertile way of life they don't see it with good eyes.. like a lot of ancient people.. fgv english
thanx i love this video, hey if you are going to be doing another video like this soon then please contact me i have atlesat three pages of prove doudumeantaion from studies conducted by the top bible scholars ini the world that proves homosexuality does not actually conflict with bible laws.
Intersting and enjoyable. The word homosexual does NOT exit in scripture. Man continues to clearify what they believe the bible says by changing the words to suit their purpose. For example, none of the original scripture says, "homosexual offenders."
Homosexuality per se has nothing to do with moral looseness. Hets and homos engage in the same sexual activities; one is no more unsanitary than the other.
Yes. But note the verse says homosexual offenders. Consider the term hetrosexual offenders. If you read hetrosexual offenders one would not assume that it refered to all hetrosexuals but those hetrosexuals comitting offences... You get the idea
Emetry I just have to say that Sodom and Gamorah and the fact it defies the laws of nature, make homosexuality wrong. Do I hate homosexuals? No! They are a mistreated group and deserve good friends. But when you ask to be gay you're really wanting to have sex with a man is all, and we're really not so much of an animals that we can use gay animals to prove our point.
Ha....Ha...if you honestly think that being gay is something that you ask for, then I would ask yourself the "hate homosexuals" question again.
Yes of course that's exactly why I went through all of the torment and homophobia of my youth. Just to make my "wanting to have sex with a man" all the more spicey!
(That is exactly what some random guy said at a Pride meeting at our college on tour he was like "You guys are gay!" which is kinda messed up but it further proves the point that most Christian fundamentalists are haters of people of different color and of orientation which further establishes that they are not a "Christ-In")
Ok, what the hell? You obviously know absolutely nothing about Christianity if you look at hypocrits for an example. You don't look at a spray-painted horse to determine a zebra.
(That is exactly what some random guy said at a Pride meeting at our college on tour he was like "You guys are gay!" which is kinda messed up but it further proves the point that most Christian fundamentalists are haters of people of different color and of orientation which further establishes that they are not a "Christ-In")
Also - it was said in the Bible that 'A woman shall not open their mouth in Church' as well as 'A man shall not lie down with a man'. Do we use the Bible as intended or as we want....
The main issue LGBT people like myself would have is when it comes to Homophobia - and associated acts - being condoned by so called 'Christians'. A true Christian declares themself to be 'Christ Centred' and at no point did Christ behave this way.
Let's be honest that whilst there is a lot of truth spoken in the Bible it is people who translate its meaning.
For example - in the original text the words which have been translated to mean 'Virgin Girl' (Mary) could actually be translated to mean 'young and innocent girl'.
I believe that is what hermeneutics is, taking the Bible AS WRITTEN and interpeting the meaning. I just think your hermeneutic is flawed. And as far as whether or not it makes sense, it only makes sense when looking through the lenses of a poor interpretation that would never stand the scrutiny of hebrew, greek, old, and new testament scholars.
Your first point concnerning lying with a man doesn't really make any sense. The whole point of the verse is that you don't try to sleep with a man like you would a woman! Of course it doesn't work the same because it was never designed to work. Don't take offense, but you really need to study more theology and hermeneutics.
Don't take offense, but the entire point of my video was to take the bible AS WRITTEN and analyze it that way. And I said that it wasn't a very good arguement, but it DOES make sense.
You really need to take a hermeneutics class because you seem very confused on how to inpterpret Scripture. For one, you might want to try a better translation than the KJV, considering the modern translations are much more clear concerning what the original Greek and Hebrew texts meant.
If you really wanted to understand the Bible you dont look to far into anything. The Bible was written so that anyone could understand. If it says not to do it, YOU DONT!
Actually, there are many VATICAN publications that admit that much of the bible is written in a non-cannonical sense and is not meant to be taken literally. In fact, one of Pope JPII's ecumenical letters specifically mentioned Adam and Eve in this area. I'll do a vid on that eventually.
The Bible is a historical guideline for the time in which it was written in. Ergo that is why many of the passages in it have stories or rules mentioning the living conditions and commonly owned possessions of that time.
The Bible was not handed down to us from heaven in it's completed form although many people assume this. The early christian for several decades or more went by tradition and may have had access to certain early letters from Paul and later Mark... The bible we have today was canonized @ 300 AD. Also culture was totaly different so you must consider what it ment to folk's living in this era...
Hey actually in the bible it does say not to love the same sex. It says and i paraphrase to love them as brothers and sisters. Men cleave unto your wife and women cleave unto though husbands. Dont not commit fornication with the same sex and animals. Even if you cannot persay commit such act with the same sex it is a symbol of love and therefore is more of a love thing.
I love it! Absolutely amazing interpretation. A good way to educate people who ignore different or new opinions based on the religious beliefs that you have disproved with your video. Awesome!
You may not be able to control ur desires but u do have control over ur choices. Levitical law was not for sanitation but to bring knowledge of sin, convert the soul, and bring us to Christ-Psalm 19:7, Romans 3:19, 7:7, Galatians 3:24. By the way, you mentioned in your video that being a pedophile is a sin, I agree, but how do you defend that in scripture? The Bible never says that it's a sin.
Couldn't god have just made things clearer in the first place so there wouldn't be so much controversy?
If it turned out that the bible said homosexuality was wrong, would you then change your beliefs? I think morality is pretty basic. If you don't hurt anyone or impinge their freedoms, do what you want.
There's no real proof that any of this is more than a book and so it really doesn't deserve the attention it gets.
sorry, i never got notification of your comment on my video! personally, even if the bible explicitly spelled out that homosexuality was wrong, i would not change my views. its a very long story.
and yes, i believe that things could be a lot clearer, but i believe the 'path' to 'heaven' is studying all of these debates and formulating your own responses.
That's interesting, but in that case, why study the bible at all? If you don't believe it's all necessarily true, why is any of it true? Are they in fact just ideas explained through narrative? If so does this mean they are no more valuable than any morality play? It's very confusing to me but I'd be interested to hear the long story you speak of if you have time, perhaps not on this comment stream.
well the only thing i belive is the 10 commndemnts what was written in the bible by desiples srry i cant spell lol but they could hav put in there for ther own hatred which i think u mention and the tatoos thing too. but bascailly we wil find out when we face god what his intesions are :)
Yeah, dont you love how such a 'loving' and 'universal' church hates so many people? I really enjoy the irony. Hey, and I stand by that ALL that stuff is in the bible, the Pope is just a homophobe!
You're cool! Great video! Thank you!
walkran 2 years ago
u wanna say the translations wrong how about you look at the original texts in original language and see if it says gay is ok...it wont. And if you dont want to do this its pretty obvious that the translations throughout many years have not shown any movement toward seeing homosexual relations as legitimate and morally sound.
The day i see the Bible translated to say "partner" instead of wife is the day i know society would become completely liberal.
Antisyncretism 3 years ago
you can dance around these interpretations to say homosexual activity is okay.
You know what when the Bible says about sex it usually says like slept with or so, so when Jonathan gives David equipment that is a ridiculous conclusion.
You will find no passage applauding such activity. Such unity is always talked of as between man and woman.
How liberal can you get
Antisyncretism 3 years ago
yeah, but you're using a bible that translated "Jesus walked by the water" to "Jesus walked ON water".
Little bit of fugde factor here, dontcha think?
And I can get pretty damn liberal.
Emetry 3 years ago
Keep up the good work. Spread the word
reereereer12 4 years ago
You mean 'spread this hatemongering heresy' ;)
jeffg006 4 years ago
It's good that you took the time to talk about this issue but I still think that the Bible probably condemns homosexuality, if only because of the context of that culture. Does God condemn homosexuality (I have a hard time believing God literally wrote the Bible verbatim)? That's the real and maybe unanswerable question for me. And I'm sorry for the comments lacking in charity to you friend. Peace.
blink56k 4 years ago
"That is why a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife, and the two of them become one body"
God made woman for a reason.
Call me homophobic.
But IMO homosexuality is wrong.
Read between the lines.
Even if the bible doesn't say it's wrong I believe it implies it.
I know it never said it's right.
Eat that with your fruit loops. :D
trevorjohnson1 4 years ago
All I am saying is give peace a chance!
GreasyMaggot 4 years ago
You're not taking away from my free speech are you? I really hope you have a great day today. Cheer up! No really. I don't even know you. You're probably really cool. I just don't agree with what you believe.
GreasyMaggot 4 years ago
I'm just grouping you all together. I've heard pedifiles defending their attractions to little boys the same way Homos defend their man laying with man endeavors. The truth will continue to hurt the WRONG. God loves you.....just not what you do. Have a less bitter day.
GreasyMaggot 4 years ago
I am NOT somebody you want to fuck with right now Maggot. now, you can publicly apologize for your statements or I will do everything I can to bring you down for slander and a hate crime. Do not try me boy, beacuse I am in no mood with the way things are going right now.
Emetry 4 years ago
Fags = Pedifiles = rapist = SIN....Please stop the madness!
GreasyMaggot 4 years ago
Greasy, I'll accept one outburst like this, do it again and I'll be forced to take action. Dont write this again.
Emetry 4 years ago
Excellent video.
Finally an average Christian who READ the Bible and then THOUGHT about it...most people just see the surface and dont analyze any of it.
PedanticNo1 4 years ago
Exactly. Now that I'm actually in the mindset to do more of these, watch for more RT coming soon.
Emetry 4 years ago
Very interesting study on that subject, I often wonderd abou this.
ClemClemens1111 4 years ago
thanks. I try. I'm gonna start working on these again now that i'm on break
Emetry 4 years ago
Fags = Pedifiles = rapist = SIN....Please stop the madness!
GreasyMaggot 4 years ago
Ah yes, because i dont consider my day complete until I assault a small altar boy in the sacristy. Oh wait...thats not gays...thats priests! oops!
Emetry 4 years ago
Hehe...you're kinda stupid huh?
PedanticNo1 4 years ago
Who the Hell is this douchebag?
GreasyMaggot 4 years ago
who? me? i'm god. nice to meet you.
Emetry 4 years ago
Die fags die! Die pedifiles die! Die sin die!
GreasyMaggot 4 years ago
WTF! you such a retard!
m88ichael 4 years ago
hmm...such a well worded statement. care to explain?
Emetry 4 years ago
Coincidentally we had the same ideas though it's not as well researched as yours, I happened to have thought about the same thing in the part of the corinthians. And about twisting it, these people just won't accept it no matter how well explained a matter is because of their beliefs and just let them be. The more they speak about it, the more it shows that they know lesser about it. Thank you
idiotsmustdie 5 years ago
i' ve heard that jewish people use to have the tradition of enlarging their families. they really value the fertility and a lot of sons and daughters. so considering that homosexuality is a infertile way of life they don't see it with good eyes.. like a lot of ancient people.. fgv english
brunolbt 5 years ago
what about islam?
btw, that was hilarious (if u ever see one, DON'T DO IT!) HAHAHAHA!
ehsanul 5 years ago
thanx i love this video, hey if you are going to be doing another video like this soon then please contact me i have atlesat three pages of prove doudumeantaion from studies conducted by the top bible scholars ini the world that proves homosexuality does not actually conflict with bible laws.
gayodd2 5 years ago
Thank`s, that help me a lot! It´s not easy be jewis, we cant do nothing and eat nothing...
yekal 5 years ago
the bible doesn't say anything about "homosexuals". that's thet scientific word for sodomites. you know... the men in sodoma...
sk1bianca 5 years ago
Yeah but why wouldn't God just create males or just create Females. Just a question
wisebob134 5 years ago
better yet, ask him yourself *insert evil underlying meaning here*
idiotsmustdie 5 years ago
Intersting and enjoyable. The word homosexual does NOT exit in scripture. Man continues to clearify what they believe the bible says by changing the words to suit their purpose. For example, none of the original scripture says, "homosexual offenders."
TwoXs 5 years ago
Homosexuality per se has nothing to do with moral looseness. Hets and homos engage in the same sexual activities; one is no more unsanitary than the other.
BeatBuddy 5 years ago
You did your homework. Good job. Props on the movie
Pectabyte 5 years ago
Very interesting and well presented. I enjoyed it a great deal. Thanks!
padraigkennedy 5 years ago
Ure just changing it to what people wanna hear. It says what it says you cant twist it! 1 Corinthians Ch 6 vs 9. Say no more
tGbtg11 5 years ago
Yes. But note the verse says homosexual offenders. Consider the term hetrosexual offenders. If you read hetrosexual offenders one would not assume that it refered to all hetrosexuals but those hetrosexuals comitting offences... You get the idea
court0114 5 years ago
the christian orthodox Bible says "sodomites", not "homosexual offenders"...
sk1bianca 5 years ago
Burn the bible and damn your Theologies
TheIndigoChild 5 years ago
It is a good video though....I will watch your others!!
dmsymr 5 years ago
you seem to be trying to find loopholes. Im Gay and was also a christian....You just cant be both. Make your gay bed and lie in it. with a man.
dmsymr 5 years ago
i would, but i'm not gay. and you can be both. just a matter of not worrying about stupid rules. you can believe in christ and be gay
Emetry 5 years ago
God's anger with Sodom was kindled before the angels came down. I think you need to re-read it.
Arithus 5 years ago
In Leviticus it also says that you should not eat shrimp or lobster and you should not mix clothing material.
balvarez01 5 years ago
I think Jesus is cute. He has nice supple nipples. I would bone that.
drewskione 5 years ago
we think you make great points. check out the videos we have also. have a great day! God bless you.
lesbianclicks 5 years ago
The King James version is the dorkiest, clunkiest version of the Bible and it does not accurately reflect how people actually speak.
HarryOnara 5 years ago
but it is the most commonly used translation: hense the usage here
Emetry 5 years ago
Emetry I just have to say that Sodom and Gamorah and the fact it defies the laws of nature, make homosexuality wrong. Do I hate homosexuals? No! They are a mistreated group and deserve good friends. But when you ask to be gay you're really wanting to have sex with a man is all, and we're really not so much of an animals that we can use gay animals to prove our point.
JoneFilmer 5 years ago
Ha....Ha...if you honestly think that being gay is something that you ask for, then I would ask yourself the "hate homosexuals" question again.
Yes of course that's exactly why I went through all of the torment and homophobia of my youth. Just to make my "wanting to have sex with a man" all the more spicey!
Get real.
Xenabuffyfan 5 years ago
i dont care, your cute so oh well
guynaz928 5 years ago
(That is exactly what some random guy said at a Pride meeting at our college on tour he was like "You guys are gay!" which is kinda messed up but it further proves the point that most Christian fundamentalists are haters of people of different color and of orientation which further establishes that they are not a "Christ-In")
luc0113 5 years ago
huh...i was wondering about that
Emetry 5 years ago
Ok, what the hell? You obviously know absolutely nothing about Christianity if you look at hypocrits for an example. You don't look at a spray-painted horse to determine a zebra.
JoneFilmer 5 years ago
(That is exactly what some random guy said at a Pride meeting at our college on tour he was like "You guys are gay!" which is kinda messed up but it further proves the point that most Christian fundamentalists are haters of people of different color and of orientation which further establishes that they are not a "Christ-In")
luc0113 5 years ago
No we will not watch your video on how to accept YOU better.
You are a fat homosexual
luc0113 5 years ago
I REALLY REALLY liked this elucidating video. It really spells out the objective truth, allowing for us to subjectically interpret it.
menuria 5 years ago
Also - it was said in the Bible that 'A woman shall not open their mouth in Church' as well as 'A man shall not lie down with a man'. Do we use the Bible as intended or as we want....
simplydbeste 5 years ago
The main issue LGBT people like myself would have is when it comes to Homophobia - and associated acts - being condoned by so called 'Christians'. A true Christian declares themself to be 'Christ Centred' and at no point did Christ behave this way.
simplydbeste 5 years ago
Some interesting points you make. Thank you.
Let's be honest that whilst there is a lot of truth spoken in the Bible it is people who translate its meaning.
For example - in the original text the words which have been translated to mean 'Virgin Girl' (Mary) could actually be translated to mean 'young and innocent girl'.
simplydbeste 5 years ago
Nart, have you seen the 'original Greek and Hebrew texts?'
Pollther 5 years ago
most likely no, thus, no response.
Emetry 5 years ago
I believe that is what hermeneutics is, taking the Bible AS WRITTEN and interpeting the meaning. I just think your hermeneutic is flawed. And as far as whether or not it makes sense, it only makes sense when looking through the lenses of a poor interpretation that would never stand the scrutiny of hebrew, greek, old, and new testament scholars.
nart86 5 years ago
i have only one thing to say: Bring it.
If you think I can be so readily defeated by this, c'mon. I'm always up for a good discussion.
Unless you have the ability, don't talk about it. If so, I await your message.
Emetry 5 years ago
Your first point concnerning lying with a man doesn't really make any sense. The whole point of the verse is that you don't try to sleep with a man like you would a woman! Of course it doesn't work the same because it was never designed to work. Don't take offense, but you really need to study more theology and hermeneutics.
nart86 5 years ago
Don't take offense, but the entire point of my video was to take the bible AS WRITTEN and analyze it that way. And I said that it wasn't a very good arguement, but it DOES make sense.
Emetry 5 years ago
You really need to take a hermeneutics class because you seem very confused on how to inpterpret Scripture. For one, you might want to try a better translation than the KJV, considering the modern translations are much more clear concerning what the original Greek and Hebrew texts meant.
nart86 5 years ago
If you really wanted to understand the Bible you dont look to far into anything. The Bible was written so that anyone could understand. If it says not to do it, YOU DONT!
PAULinc25 5 years ago
Actually, there are many VATICAN publications that admit that much of the bible is written in a non-cannonical sense and is not meant to be taken literally. In fact, one of Pope JPII's ecumenical letters specifically mentioned Adam and Eve in this area. I'll do a vid on that eventually.
Emetry 5 years ago
The Bible is a historical guideline for the time in which it was written in. Ergo that is why many of the passages in it have stories or rules mentioning the living conditions and commonly owned possessions of that time.
Times have changed.
Xenabuffyfan 5 years ago
The Bible was not handed down to us from heaven in it's completed form although many people assume this. The early christian for several decades or more went by tradition and may have had access to certain early letters from Paul and later Mark... The bible we have today was canonized @ 300 AD. Also culture was totaly different so you must consider what it ment to folk's living in this era...
court0114 5 years ago
Precisely, what we call the Apocrypha today was regarded as authentic scripture 1,900 years ago.
BeatBuddy 5 years ago
Hey actually in the bible it does say not to love the same sex. It says and i paraphrase to love them as brothers and sisters. Men cleave unto your wife and women cleave unto though husbands. Dont not commit fornication with the same sex and animals. Even if you cannot persay commit such act with the same sex it is a symbol of love and therefore is more of a love thing.
PAULinc25 5 years ago
I love it! Absolutely amazing interpretation. A good way to educate people who ignore different or new opinions based on the religious beliefs that you have disproved with your video. Awesome!
Xenabuffyfan 5 years ago
You may not be able to control ur desires but u do have control over ur choices. Levitical law was not for sanitation but to bring knowledge of sin, convert the soul, and bring us to Christ-Psalm 19:7, Romans 3:19, 7:7, Galatians 3:24. By the way, you mentioned in your video that being a pedophile is a sin, I agree, but how do you defend that in scripture? The Bible never says that it's a sin.
needhim 5 years ago
Christ had not come at that time so there goes you thoughts...
DarthDigweed 5 years ago
what?
Emetry 5 years ago
I was referring to the use of the new testament to "bring you to Christ". I loved the video.
DarthDigweed 5 years ago
Couldn't god have just made things clearer in the first place so there wouldn't be so much controversy?
If it turned out that the bible said homosexuality was wrong, would you then change your beliefs? I think morality is pretty basic. If you don't hurt anyone or impinge their freedoms, do what you want.
There's no real proof that any of this is more than a book and so it really doesn't deserve the attention it gets.
I'd appreciate your response.
theinquisitor 5 years ago
sorry, i never got notification of your comment on my video! personally, even if the bible explicitly spelled out that homosexuality was wrong, i would not change my views. its a very long story.
and yes, i believe that things could be a lot clearer, but i believe the 'path' to 'heaven' is studying all of these debates and formulating your own responses.
Emetry 5 years ago
That's interesting, but in that case, why study the bible at all? If you don't believe it's all necessarily true, why is any of it true? Are they in fact just ideas explained through narrative? If so does this mean they are no more valuable than any morality play? It's very confusing to me but I'd be interested to hear the long story you speak of if you have time, perhaps not on this comment stream.
theinquisitor 5 years ago
thanks as a gay guy im glad i came across this video
lloverboy2k6 5 years ago
well the only thing i belive is the 10 commndemnts what was written in the bible by desiples srry i cant spell lol but they could hav put in there for ther own hatred which i think u mention and the tatoos thing too. but bascailly we wil find out when we face god what his intesions are :)
lloverboy2k6 5 years ago
I was shunned from christianity for my sexual beliefs. So it's cool to hear a different point of view.
If everyone was as smart and open minded as emetry... *dreams. What a world!
FringeKid 5 years ago
Yeah, dont you love how such a 'loving' and 'universal' church hates so many people? I really enjoy the irony. Hey, and I stand by that ALL that stuff is in the bible, the Pope is just a homophobe!
Emetry 5 years ago