Perry says Social Security is a 'monstrous lie'

[astraia1x]

@sjmfury

( dot ) peoplesworld ( dot ) org ( slash) why-progressives-should-not-su­pport-ron-paul/

[jminyard504]

Heck of a crowd, Perry.

I'd like to see the front end of it.

[Michthemitch]

perry is an iDIOT.

[AussieMatters]

I'm Australian and even I know Ron Paul is the only right choice. Perry is a Bilderberg Rothschild crown corporation _ew world order, puppet!

[1972THEREAPER]

perry you are a dick

[nbarile18]

way to STEAL ALL OF RON PAUL'S IDEAS. Perry realizes they are right but that he can slander his way through into making people think he's really supporting them. RON PAUL 2012!

[PiOTRECTUBE]

How do these people end up in government? He sounds like he failed high school. Then again I guess its all of the literate "mofos" that pick people like him. Aghh.. America wake up!

[PiOTRECTUBE]

@PiOTRECTUBE illiterate* 

[curiousgeorge1940]

... Using Rick Perry's faith and logic : as a result of his "prayer meeting" and throwing his hat in the ring ( for President ) ... God has punished Texas with the worst drought since the 1930s dust bowl. ... somebody's trying to send him a message !

[sep0507]

Rick Perry's book, "Fed Up! Saving America from Washington is full of his bullshit that he cannot deny because it's in print. Who's going to save America from Rick Perry?

[GrowlinWillie]

Yes, it's a Ponsi scheme, if it was a private company doing it they'd all be in jail. Roosevelt knew it had to fail, but he knew he'd be dead by that time.

[davidwaters69]

@GrowlinWillie rick perry? why not just elect Jeb Bush?

[sep0507]

@GrowlinWillie Wrong. A ponzi scheme promises riches once you reach the top. There is no top in SS, just a monthly check that YOU and YOUR EMPLOYER funded. Since the government saw fit to raid the SS fund, now they see it as a drain because they stole the money from the taxpayers in the frist place. The only thing wrong with SS is it isn't in it's own fund, separate from ALL other government sources of income. It isn't a tax they should spend at their discretion. Get your paws off my SS!!!!!

[abhishek28951]

Ron Paul is way better than Ron Paul

[xxmind0vermatter]

I got a letter in the mail from the Social Security Administration admitting that I'm paying into it for nothing. I am pissed, many young people are as well.

[sep0507]

@xxmind0vermatter Another right wing LIAR! The SS Admin doesn't send out letters telling you that you'll never receive benefits even though you've paid into the fund. You're not fooling anyone with your stupid comment.

[xxmind0vermatter]

@sep0507 Yes I've paid into it and they are telling me the funds will run dry by the time it's my turn to receive the funds. PONZI SCHEME you fucking idiot.

[sep0507]

@xxmind0vermatter You're the fucking IDIOT. SS will only run dry unless the governmwent takes some action to bolster the fund. They've done countless times in the past and will do it in the future. Quit swallowing the bullshit from the right and come over to the side of the American people instead of big business. Since you continue to call SS a Ponzi scheme just shows how low your intellect is. Apparently you can't open a cereal box with out instructions, and that's only if you can read! MORON!

[xxmind0vermatter]

@sep0507 I got an idea cuntlick, give me an option to opt out of SS. I can save my own goddamn money, I don't need uncle sam to help me out, then squander the funds, then tax me more to "help me out" again, if I save money on my own I know it won't go anywhere. You're the one who needs to be taken care of from cradle to grave because you're a manchild.

[sep0507]

@xxmind0vermatter I got a better idea cumeater, the reason SS wasa introduced in the first place is because people couldn't save their own money. Wages were low and there was nothing left for savingt. Now if you're independently wealthy, fine, opt out, but we'll still collect SS from your earnings. I'm pretty sure ALL of those who've lost their retirement savings in the stock market are glad they have SS to fall back on. Go ahead and gamble your money away, dickbreath.

[mitchthemich]

perry is GAY

[shaostyle]

you ron paul rip off fuck head

[FloydIV]

Why believe in Rick Perry? Hes an idiot. Look at his college transcript...

C in US History

D in principles of economics

F in organic chemistry

AND A FUCKING C IN GYM

THE FUCK!!! Why would anyone believe him? Why because your dumb too and it appeals to him?

"Oh god, there's a politician that is dumb as me, I SHOULD VOTE FOR HIM"

Like his classmate said "We always kind of laughed. He was always kind of a joke."

[AndyShow]

Trust me folks, if you WANT big government programs and lotsa spending, Rick Perry is YOUR man. I will bet anyone a MILLION dollars that if elected, Rick Perry will NOT touch social security. He'll continue down the same path of destruction as the presidents before him. This guy will in NO WAY make government smaller.

[AndyShow]

Rick talks a big game, but he doesn't really believe any of this stuff. It's all talk. He's just stealing popular platforms. Typical politician. George W. Bush ran on a humble foreign policy and no nation building back in 2000, and look at what happened. Obama ran on ending the wars and repealing the Patriot Act, and look at what happened. Rick Perry is no different. He just steals talking points from Ron Paul and muddies em up. All I can say is, LOOK at Perry's RECORD!

He's a sham and a liar.

[AndyShow]

Rick Perry = Captain Ginyu

[psillyguava]

that women looked like she was not thinking for herself haha, just nodding her head while he spoke not even listening to what he said

[whatthefuck386]

hes right, but it does not stop there; dinosaurs, global warming, the moon, and cake also are monstrous lies.

[getbo]

Rick Perry is a MONSTROUS lie!

[sutircomed]

Rick Perry is a monstrous liar.



[djphilmore]

@sutircomed people have known about the social security fruad for years... show me proof that its not true? i'll wait..

[sutircomed]

@djphilmore Social Security isn't a "fraud" duh.

[billyboylb]

If I can't have my social security I want my money back. Mr. Perry: Will you write me a check?

[man21692]

Perry is right! The baby boomers are gonna take to much of the social security and by the time the young adults now will be 65 it will all be gone.

[whiskeyhotelpapa]

This guy is as crooked and hypocritical as they come. Want someone who knows economics? Want someone who is consistent constitutionally and protecting our liberties and wants to give the power back to the people, lower taxes, and isn't going to take the bad with the good just to say he passed some bill? Vote Ron Paul 2012

[scorsbygirl]

Perry, just another Bush clone-criminal.

Listen to what Ron Paul has to say.

There is a reason you will not see much of him on CNN or the cover of Time.

[astraia1x]

@scorsbygirl

( dot ) peoplesworld ( dot ) org ( slash) why-progressives-should-not-su­­pport-ron-paul/

[usagill]

This guy is an imbecile, he said that it would rain in Texas because god told him so. Then he got 60000 folks together to pray to the spooks in the sky. Well guess what this dumb F*** did not stop the drought.

But he wanted to FORCE YOUR CHILDREN TO TAKE A DRUG NOT FULLY TESTED ON young girls. This is the guy you want to be President? R U nuts or what?

[demdanglibruls]

@usagill He is a crazy creationist global warming denialist right wing nutjob.

[slicingwater]

Rick Perry doesn't deserve social security or medicare.

[aaamerican2]

Republicans should forever be known as the group, who cared more about billionaire's then the American's who are trying to find a better job, and living.

Citizens United is corrupt, and with a name like that for a law, you should definatly be weary.

Did'nt Republicans promise job's??? They should be thrown out for being deceitful.

Perry's private sector in Texas is negative 40,000.... and only fixed the budget because of the stimulus, like it was designed to do. Look it up

[MrJohngalt2011]

Social Security is the defination of a Ponzi Scheme. You take in money today to from others, that money is used to pay benefits to a different set of receiptants and you hope you will get money in the future to pay those upcoming benefits. This is what Maddoff did.

The program started with 16:1 supporting the program, now is less than 3:1... this program will collapse unless something is done in the near future.  Either more taxes for everyone or a later retirement age.

[theretrohousewife]

Do you people delude yourselves purposely? There is no argument here this is a math problem. Not a political one.

[jepst41]

@theretrohousewife Amen!!!

[theretrohousewife]

Also, What the heck is a fair share? Why do you think you are entitled to other people's money?

[theretrohousewife]

Prove how it is solvent. It is already running a deficit, how is that solvent? The so-called Trust fund has Treasury notes in it. Where does the treasury get its money from? It issues debt. More debt. Again, how is that solvent? You do not have the correct information, go look at the website, it is there, plain as day.

[MCPetruk]

Senator Saunders has a bill that would raise the cap on Social Security, so higher earners could pay a fairer share. Problem solved. Perry wants to have an "honest conversation". Start with that.

[SourceCode2006]

Notice the dumb lady closest to the camera - actively being brainwashed - you can see it all in her movement.

[mistergarth]

I reached voting age in 1980. It's been fascinating watching the Republican Party going steadily deeper and deeper into sheer unadulterated madness. Perry belongs in a padded cell, but he's the top-polling candidate for the Republican nomination for President of the USA. Go figure.

[SykoChiipmunK]

anyone notice the old lady just nodding her head in agreement before he even began to form his argument? I'll bet money she benefits from one of the "big 3" social programs.

[dunivant66]

George W. Bush on steroids!!!

[phuture101]

Rick Perry is a Turd!

[hbxcskier]

The teabagger "movement" is monstrous lie!

[markdzima]

People who vote Republican are either super-rich or suckers.

[badattitude77769]

Me and Bubba have a ponzi scheme for this lying sack of shit.

[johnlouisville]

Social Security is self funded by a payroll tax and it is solvent for the next 20 years.

The Right has a psy-ops tactic of repeating lies a billion times until they get believed as truth.

[jepst41]

@johnlouisville Social Security takes in less than it pays out, and the solvency for the next 20 years isn't quite accurate, because instead of actual assets, it is filled with treasury bonds. Those bonds are part of the 14 trillion of debt.

[markdzima]

@jepst41

Wrong. To say social security is solvent is totally accurate. If the government spends that social security money on other things and doesn't pay it back to the social security coffers, then they've stolen our money, pure and simple. But don't say that has anything to do with solvency. The credit of the Federal government is still AA+. Unless the Federal government declares bankruptcy (which isn't happening) social security is solvent.

[jepst41]

@markdzima In other words, as long as we are still able to borrow the money we've borrowed money out of the trust fund, Social Security is solvent. Personally, I don't count that as solvent. China's economy could collapse tomorrow, and social security would be done.

[markdzima]

@jepst41

Your "in other words" is wrong. The only way that social security is insolvent is if the Federal government goes bankrupt, and you call THAT not solvent. Are you trying to deceive us with this NONSENSE? And you bringing up borrowing from the Chinese is just a distraction. Condemn Republicans for pledging to not raise taxes, if you care so much about the deficit! Don't steal the money WE PAID INTO social security and lie about it on behalf of scoundrels!

[jepst41]

@markdzima No, it isn't wrong. Treasury bonds aren't an asset, they are a liability to be paid back. And no, I didn't bring up the Chinese as a distraction. I brought it up as a real possibility. If no one will lend us money, the only way the government can keep afloat is to print money, like the Wiemar Republic did. And we all know what happened to them.

[markdzima]

@jepst41

Treasury bonds ARE an asset to the SOCIAL SECURITY FUND, they're just a liability to the government that decided to spend that money on other things. Are you confused, or are you just trying to confuse the issue? Gore argued that the social security money should be put in a "lock-box" so it wouldn't get spent. I didn't hear Republicans support that. They spent OUR ss money & gave tax cuts to the rich. If they need to raise taxes on the rich to pay us our ss money back, so be it.

[jepst41]

@markdzima Treasury bonds are assets only if the issuer is able to pay it back. The fact that 65% of our government expenditures are to entitlements (and growing) and the baby boomers leaving the work force and retiring, this level of spending is unsustainable. Our credit rating is going to be continuously downgraded if we keep going the way we are going, and more and more often. It will get to the point where no one will lend us money unless we do an about face.

[markdzima]

@jepst41

Of course the government can pay it back. It has an AA+ rating! Do you think we all are idiots? Get rid of the Bush tax cuts! Raise taxes! Your idea that taxes don't raise revenue is the absurd sort of Republican propaganda that takes the American public for fools!

[jepst41]

@markdzima At the moment it can pay it back. But what happens when the debt reaches 200% of GDP? 300%? 500%??? And we will show no signs of being able to pay it back? And at the current rate, we are going to hit that LONG before I retire! What then??? Go down the Wiemar Republic road?

[jepst41]

@markdzima And raising taxes does not always bring in more revenue. No matter what the tax rate, from 91% under FDR to 28% under Reagan, the federal government never brings in very far from 18% of GDP. By lowering taxes, you grow the economy. Federal revenue almost doubled over the Reagan years.

[markdzima]

@jepst41

You've quite a selective bias in the correlations you make. You claim tax cuts grew the economy but ignore Reagan's massive spending. Reagan nearly tripled the deficit gap between the amount of money spent by the gov't and the amount taken in. You started out wailing about deficits and then forget about deficits to argue for a policy THAT GREW THE DEFICIT. And cutting taxes for the wealthy won't grow the economy when the problem with the economy isn't supply-side.

[jepst41]

@markdzima During the Reagan years, government spending is approximately what it is now as a percentage of GDP. You say cutting taxes for the top earners (as opposed to the wealthy, as they don't get taxed on assets) doesn't grow the economy but empirical evidence says otherwise.

[kaysandesses]

@jepst41 "You say cutting taxes for the top earners (as opposed to the wealthy, as they don't get taxed on assets) doesn't grow the economy but empirical evidence says otherwise. "

If that were true then why didn't we see dramatic ongoing growth following the Bush Tax Cuts?

[jepst41]

@kaysandesses The growth wasn't dramatic because the tax cuts weren't dramatic. The upper rate went from 39% to 36.5%, and that helped pull us out of the post Y2K and post 9/11 slumps. After the tax cuts, the economy did improve.

[markdzima]

@jepst41

Under circumstances of SUPPLY-side problems, cutting taxes on the super rich would help SUPPLY in the economy. But we have NO SUCH PROBLEM!!! The super rich are sitting on their money and banks don't want to loan for business because it's DEMAND that IS THE PROBLEM!!! Cutting taxes to the rich won't help demand. But middle class (and poverty) entitlements absolutely do help demand because that money will get spent and not sat on. REPUBLICANS WILL KILL THE ECONOMY IF ELECTED!!!!!!

[jepst41]

@markdzima Of course they are sitting on their money! They don't know what that nut in the white house is going to do next!!! Get a little sanity and stability in charge and watch them start investing!

[markdzima]

@jepst41

Nonsense. If there was demand in the economy, if the middle class and poor could afford to buy stuff, the rich would invest like mad to make money off of that demand. Use your head and stop blindly repeating silly Republican think-tank propaganda.

[jepst41]

@markdzima Just watch. In 2013, when the Republicans take over the senate, keep the house, we have a Republican President, Obamacare is repealed, and sanity is restored to government, the economy will take off. Businesses are taking a "wait and see" attitude right now.

[kaysandesses]

@jepst41 "Just watch. In 2013, when the Republicans t..."

Enjoy your little fantasy while you can. A more realistic scenario will be a wholesale rout of the Republicans in the House, no meaningful change in the Senate, and Obama being re-elected without much effort. The majority of voters are figuring out that the GOP/teabaggers have nothing real to offer to the common person and do nothing but shill for major corp's. You're in the tiny minority who can't see that.

[jepst41]

@kaysandesses HIGHLY unlikely, and further proof you live in a fantasy world. It is almost a mathematical certainty that the Republicans will take back the Senate, and there is a VERY good chance they will have a veto proof majority. 10 Republicans up for re-election, and 23 Democrats up for re-election. Suck on those numbers, 'tardo before slinking off to your fantasy land to jack-off in your mother's basement.

[kaysandesses]

@jepst41 Support your assertions with fact. Oh, and since you obviously haven't figured it out yet: recycled rhetoric from the right wing noise machine isn't fact. This should be interesting.

[jepst41]

@kaysandesses The only question you asked was answered with fact. All you've done since then is insult, as all liberals do when they run out of intelligent things to say.

[kaysandesses]

@jepst41 You need to go see the definition of the term "fact". All you've posted is unsubstantiated opinion. Your response is simply more evidence that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're simply regurgitating right-wing rhetoric that you don't understand. I know this, and what's even better is that YOU know it. I have yet to see one so-called conservative able to back their assertions with fact. HA HA HA HA HA loser.

[jepst41]

@kaysandesses So historical empirical data about the federal intake as a percentage of GDP, and empirical data about raw dollars taken in directly from the IRS is "right-wing rhetoric?" Thanks. I needed that chuckle.

[kaysandesses]

@jepst41 "And raising taxes does not always bring in more revenue."

Always no, but nearly always (looking at the last 80 or so years), yes. History shows your argument to be a boxful of right-wing rhetoric that doesn't reflect reality.

[jepst41]

@kaysandesses It only increases revenue when there is something strong driving the economy. Post WW2, it was the fact that America had the ONLY industry left on earth, and a world full of demand for American goods. During the 90's, Y2K was coming and businesses made HUGE expenditures to replace their IT systems at the same time there was a brand new world changing technology vying for the same group of people. Once Y2K hit, the economy started to slide as businesses stopped that spending.

[kaysandesses]

@jepst41 I see you excel at blindly and blithely repeating right-wing propaganda, but it's apparent you have little knowledge of history or economics. Do yourself a favor and use the internet to learn facts instead of spending 24/7 shilling for the right-wing noise machine. It's stupid fucking people like you who vote in stupid fucking people like Bush, Perry, tea-baggers, etc. that have screwed up our nation. You're willful ignorance is a scab on the entire planet.

[jepst41]

@kaysandesses I realize it may seem that way to your pathetic liberal brain, that can only handle one or two variables at a time and can't do basic friggen math (PhD in Statistic here, 'tardo), but do yourself a favor and don't spout off about things you know nothing about so you don't make yourself look like an even bigger fool.

[slicingwater]

@jepst41 Some how I doubt that, your language indicates someone who uses insults to belittle the opponent, and doesn't mention much in the facts.

[jepst41]

@slicingwater Just giving back what I got. Plenty of facts in my other posts.

[demdanglibruls]

@jepst41 Nobody can accurately predict anything. It may be republicans, it may be democrats, or we might all be dead tomorrow and it will be neither.

[jepst41]

@demdanglibruls Not with absolute certainty, but it has a VERY high probability.

[kaysandesses]

@jepst41 Just what is that probability and what facts or data is that probability based upon? You seem to know all the answers so this should be an easy question.

[EPRVa62]

@jepst41 Social Security has not contributed one penny to the national debt and the program has a nearly 6 trillion dollar surplus. It is a solvent program. "It is filled with treasury bonds" because the funds were used to give tax breaks to the wealthiest people in the country (the Bush tax cuts which were extended by Obama) and the ubfunded wars in the middle east.

[jepst41]

@EPRVa62 That isn't what I said. It has been a source of funds for borrowing, and now we owe that money back to the trust fund. And entitlements is what is causing the debt. The military could disappear today and we would STILL be deep in the red. We don't take in enough to pay for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, and interest. And tax cuts pay for themselves in the form of extra economic activity. Proven by Kennedy, Reagan, and W.

[phuture101]

@jepst41 People pay into Social Security thats not money just given from the governement. So is Medicare you pay into those programs no matter what you say about it not being around for any body eles. You people are mad to think nobodys going to collect on something they have been paying into. Why would i think that? Because so moronic politician say so? Not what i see coming off my check every week? You people are stupid for letting these politicians say that dumb shit like slick rick perry.

[jepst41]

@phuture101 Social Security takes in less than it pays out. Medicare takes in WAY less than it pays out. When you look at total federal outlays vs total federal intakes, you will see that I am right!!!

[EPRVa62]

@jepst41 What a joke! We have now had ten years of the Bush/Obama tax cuts for the wealthy -where the heck is the extra economic activity???? No where. The costs of the unfunded wars in the Middle East and the give-away tax cuts of the last ten years for the wealthy comprise over two thirds of the entire national debt. If we would then get rid of the subsidies for the corporations, including "farmers" like the Bachmann family, the debt would be wiped out.

[kaysandesses]

@EPRVa62 "...The costs of the unfunded wars in the Middle East and the give-away tax cuts ..."

Indeed, and the combination of the two outweighs the SS and Medicare deficits.

"If we would then get rid of the subsidies for the corporations, including "farmers" like the Bachmann family, the debt would be wiped out. "

With the current farm bill anyone who nets less than $750k is still eligible. The farm bill is corporate welfare at its finest.

[phuture101]

@jepst41 "now we owe that money back to the trust fund" ??? No Corp owe that money back not the tax payer.

Welfare is paid by the states not the federal governemnt. So try again with that one.

"And tax cuts pay for themselves in the form of extra economic activity. Proven by Kennedy, Reagan, and W." Really? Then why did the CBO say that the Bush tax cuts added 3.5 trillion to the deficit?other words why do tax cuts have a number with them if they pay for them selfs? Where do you get this bs

[jepst41]

When Social Security started, there was 20 people paying into it for every one drawing out. Now, there are little more than 2 paying in, and the "lock box" is full of treasury bonds, not actual assets. It IS a ponzi scheme, and Rick Perry is right.  Social Security needs seriously revamped. As does medicare and medicaid. Welfare and Medicaid, 2 years and off.

[HolyCity2012]

@jepst41 Laugh Out Loud! I didn't hear Governer Perry mention anything about "revamping" Social Security in this brief clip. You people really do hear what you want to hear.

[HolyCity2012]

@jepst41 So, basiclly your original comment has little to nothing to do w/ the featured video and you are just trolling? OK dude!? Good luck with that.

[jepst41]

@HolyCity2012 Not trolling. Building on his points and educating. ;)

[robertmike57]

Since Social Security is not a ponzi scheme, Rick Perry can go fuck himself. End of conversation.

[NRAdude]

@robertmike57 Since it is a Ponzi scheme, you can go fuck yourself. Social Security alone has dwarfed the Defense budget every year for the past 10 years even with 2 wars. Go look at the pie graph on the CBOs website and see for yourself. Second, when FDR created SS, he did so on a calculated birth rate that was projected to have enough tax payers to support it. Unfortunately, abortion and Birth Control cut it to a fraction of what it's supposed to be, demographics don't support it. All my money

[NRAdude]

@robertmike57 is going to pay for some lazy asshole who didn't want to take responsibility for their own retirement. None of that money is coming back to me. The situation will only get worse as more baby boomers retire. Not to mention, that I had no vote on it since I wasn't even born yet. Are you really going to put exploding entitlements on your children and their children?

[superskwrl]

@robertmike57 Social Security is a ponzi scheme. End of conversation.

[HorrorAngel666]

I will probably be sick of all this and not have time to vote in 2012. I will be doing something more useful, like staring at the wall analyzing textures or hitting my self with a hammer for wasting my time on this drama show that is all rigged anyways by cocaine and gun toting cia thugs.

[ratty88]

Is this obvious enough for you dumbass tea baggers?