Can you just stop talking about Schumacher or Senna ?
Do you forget a guy who won 25 races, made 33 poles positions, 28 fastests laps, 32 podiums in 72 Grand Prix and won 2 world championships ? this guy died at the age of 32 after winning the first race in the 1968 season. This guy could be in F1 10 years more. And this guy is Jim Clark. Dont forget him. Schumacher and Senna were ones of the greatest. In fact, nobody can say who is the best because the best driver doesnt exist.
WTF?? "Michael Schumacher is the fastest driver the world has ever seen" ?? Senna: 65 poles in 161 GPs; MS: 68 poles in 270 GPs. The begining of MS's carreer was in Jordan, so of course he was gonna tell this bullshit. And Senna won the '83 F3 title, with 12 wins, leaving the Jordan team (with Martin Brundle) in 2nd place.
I love Mansell,... for me he is the fastest, the best car controller as he prove on other racing field .. But I realize that F1 need not only speed, or may be charisma like Senna,... and honestly calculating all aspect technique, leadership, physically, Intelligent,... etc,etc,.. Schumacher is the greatest of All.
@Morthelion tank you for the explication, but jordan is awalys "politician" his opinion is pretty useless, i prefer /watch?v=3e6D7kreY04&feature=related
IN F1 THE DRIVE HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE RESULT WHOEVER HAS THE FASTEST CAR WINS THEY COULD PUT ANY F1 DRIVER IN VETTELS CAR AND THEN HE WOULD WIN NO DIVE IS BETTER THAN ANY OTHE AT THAT LEVEL ITS ALL ABOUT THE CAR
@Herrdesrings why cant they all have the same car then we would see who was the best if vettel was driving for anothe team he wouldn't be world champ this year i would like to see a full season where they all have exactly the same car i emember when damon hill was world champ then he changed to a new team and came no where vettel won this year cos he had the best car if someone else had that car they would of won as well
@DAJAZDJ1 No please don't let all of them have the same car. This is Formula 1 not GP2.
I don't know how Hamilton would have done in a RBR and maybe we'll never know. It doesn't matter. Last year it was a tough fight with Webber as Sebastian still had to learn alot. He's had a perfect season so far and if you look at the qualifyings he has always put down a fast lap when he needed to. He's a good driver period.
@Herrdesrings BELIVE ME THEY COULD OF PUT THE DRIVER WHO FINISHED LAST IN VETTEL'S CAR AND HE WOULD OF BEEN WORLD CHAMP IT'S ALL DOWN TO THE CAR IT'S 95% CAR 5% DRIVER THERE ALL PRO DRIVES AND ONCE U CAN DRIVE THATS IT NO ONES BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE AT DRIVING A DRIVER IS A DRIVER BUT IF I WAS RACING U IM IN A FERARI YOU IN A MINI IM GONNA WIN NOT BECAUSE IM BETTER JUST COS I HAVE THE FASTEST CAR AND THATS EXACTLY SAME AS F 1 I THINK I WOULD BE PROVED RIGHT IF THEY ALL HAD EXACTLY THE SAME CAR
@Herrdesrings Damon hill backs up my story 100% 1 year he was world champ easily the year after he joined a diffrent team and therefore had a diffrent car and came no where if any other driver and not just the big names had vettels car this year they would of won world title as well the driver actully only plays a tiny part in it same as schumacher if he drove for a lesser team would he have won as many titles he most likely wouldn't of won any its the car that wins titles not the driver
@DAJAZDJ1 "If any other driver had vettels car this year they would have won world title as well". So how come Webber can't keep up with Sebastian and can't even fight off Alonso and Button? He's currently 4th in this years drivers classification, yet he has the same basic car. It's about consistency and not pure specs. The RBR lacks topspeed but still has a better pace given a talented driver behind the wheel.
@Herrdesrings it wont be the exact same car webber has if vettel drove for one of the lesser teams would he be wold champion now? if one of the lesser teams drivers was given vettel's car would that driver be world champ probaly he would why are you against the same cars would that not be more fairer with any driver having an equal chance to win when now vettel wins almost every ace has won the title easily and all cos his car goes faster than anyone elses
@DAJAZDJ1 I can't tell how Vettel would do in a Ferrari or McLaren, but my guess is he'd be fast in any competitive car. Formula 1 is about different teams in the grid with all their ups and downs. There are plenty of other series with identical cars racing. It's a hit-and-miss scenario though.
@BallisticEVA01 ....you're right, he never did 'see' Senna drive. Its well documented, even by him that he gave Senna a test drive and never actually twigged that Senna was brilliant, and for that I think he's an idiot, you only have to see he's an idiot when he does his commentary on BBC's coverage of Formula One.
Wow! Wait bro! Eddie Jordan never gave Ayrton a test drive. You are making some sort of confusion.
Ayrton tested a F1 for the first time in the end of 1983, with Williams. A few weeks later he tested the McLaren, and then with the Toleman team, signing after that a contract for one year (1984) with them.
Eddie Jordan owned a F3000 team and only entered F1 in 1991.
But wait... are you talking about testing in F1 or in other categories?
@Paellain Schumi hadn't the best car in his Benetton years and in the first Ferrari years either. Senna won everything with the best car, wtf are you talking about?
No one can deny that Schumacher is a true legend. He fithed against old legend like Senna, Prost, Hakkinen. And he was competitif against them, and he is still very competitif. So,YES, Schumacher is the BEST f the BEST.
Senna was the fastest, Schumacher was probably second best, but it's gonna take an unbelievable talent to take Senna's crown. I am a massive fan of Michael, but he isn't number 1 on the list.
Tell me were Schumacher is a leggend >.>? Ok For be a leggend he wins 7 Championship but what Pilots Like Villeneuve 6 races win, becomes one of the fastest and "crazy" driver on F1, Senna... n°1 Fangio 5 Championship wins with those cars... Schumacher had luck, and safety cars
fangio is completely overated, why are you talking about him? talking about fangio is just old fart nostalgia, he's not even top 5. senna & schumi are easily in a class of their own. then prost, villenueve, clark, etc. Mika Hakinnen was a better driver than fangio as well, wake up, it's not the 1920s you turd burgalurs
Nomen log Im gettin bored of this bullshit about him having the best car. In f1 you make you the best out off what you have and boy did he do that. He is THE rainmaster, In his first season he beat Senna.
Schumacher won 7 Championships, well thats true. 5 of them was considered the most boring years of F1 because there was only 2 red cars and the rest. Wow bravo... even Barichello won races :) Get real.
@DailyTerror666 What about the comments on F1 Racing and Autosport. More than 50% of the two hundred and seventeen drivers who voted on a poll ranked Senna as the best ever. I think their opinion is well qualified, don't you think?
The poll made by F1Racing, where team bosses (like eddie) and engineers voted, and where more than 50% of them voted for Senna as the best again, is another poll which shows the specialists opinion, and their opinion is well qualified.
@hlidskjalf666 In the F1 Racing pole they voted Fangio over Schumacher, after 50 years. So I think you'll have to wait a little bit more than just a "near future". The people who REALLY know will always vote for Senna.
it was Michael who eclipsed Fangio´s old record. Not senna.... ;)
And my opinion is, the 80-s and 90-is were far more equal and competitive than the gentlemen-era of the 50´s were rich playboys won and almost half of the grid had to break the race duo to mechanic failure!!
@hlidskjalf666 So you see, Schumacher obtained all the records and STILL people who understand won't see him as the best. That's because records don't tell it all. About Schumacher eclipsing Fangio's record, I said that the F1 Racing pole put Fangio over Schumacher, despite the fact that people who don't know would always put Schumacher over Fangio. And the "rich playboy" thing was idiotic. Drivers back then were poor and bad paid, they were like gladiators, no rich playboy would ever be one.
who are they? I think you´re missing important details with those rankings and votings.
Maybe Fangio are "greatest of all time" in some manner but I (and most reasonable people. Like F-1 expert Murray Walker and Eddie Jordan as seen above claim that Michael eclipsed them all.
- Most because the equal and more competetive generation as today.
- F1-Racing" is just another magazine,with an english/approach and subjetive and lots of indepedent votings!
are you saying that racing in the 50-is was for ordinary (poor) people!!!? x)
more like famous/rich/and gentlemens with money and time for racing /hobbie.
Try use that brain of yours ,Today thousands of elite go-karts kids and good drivers in Indy,F2000,F3000 fights for a chance to make it to Formula 1.
who knows for sure things that happenend back then, who can argue and make statements of events 60years ago? Today we got it all> cameras-telematri-data= Fair judge
just because senna's dad wa a millionaire doesn't mean he wasn't good? he would completely blitz hamilton who was helped into f1 by mclaren instead of working his way up from a smaller team, jeeze man get a life
Wow you made the point. Everybody would have seen how much talent Hamilton had then. Driving one of the best cars to win doesn't show how much skills a driver has.
Schumacher, the fastest of his time, not of all time, no one is the fastest of all time.
ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPARE! different tracks, different cars, different safety levels, different opposition etc. ? dont hate, it's just biased to say these reasons mentioned mean nothing.
You can compare driving style. Nobody is faster in the coners, closer to the walls, and harder to the limit then Schumacher. U only need to compare pictures to see that, no need for a time mashine ;)
@DailyTerror666 i see what your saying, but what about technology coming through time? Better Gripped tyres, Power steering, etc? yh i will admit, schumacher, GREAT DRIVER, but only of his time, look at him now? barely hitting a points finish and No podiums? yh he's had no real training and he had an accident i'll admit, but webber drove 4 races with a broken shoulder? people are faster in corners than him, becuase they can be now than what he was & he was backed by a team to the full, big help.
Learn somethig of F1 history before writing. He hired Schu because Gachot was in jail and Mercedes paied $150000 thats true but he beated Cesaris (team mate) in qualifying and puts Jordan 7th on the grid at Spa without knowing the circuit... just a few laps in bicycle.... The first time that Jordan was between the first 10 in qualifying. Obviously you dislike him, thats right its your opinion, but you cant denied what he has achived...
@ilnonae is it the very same race that Senna won with a defekt gearbox and a stopping engine?while Schumachers teammate de Cesaris was second until 2 laps before finish?Jordan was not that bad in this race after all...
i think lewis hamilton will succedd lewis hamiltonand in regards to barneveld darts.... hamilton is from a working class family and when he succedds u cannot mention anything abut coming from a rich family.....but senna was the fastest... look at qualifying
@vibeackermann waarom vergelijk je in godesnaam Hamilton met zo een kanker mongool en de meest trieste sport darten en van Barneveld?!?! ben je niet goed bij je paasei ofzo?
@yaivaa he didnt change his mind. at that point 91 he didnt know about michael. it was like "he the f*** is he" nobody knew michael at the time. at 91 jordan couldnt knew about how special ms was. thats why money was important at spa91. there was no contract either thats why flavio "catched" him right after spa for benetton
@Loboger "it was like "he the f*** is he" nobody knew michael at the time"
Do you think that people live under a rock before they join F1? Do you think F1 Teams have zero understanding on what is going on outside the F1? You actually believe F1 teams don't have interest in what goes on in the lower formula's? How do you function in day to day life? I am genuinely interested.
@newromantic888 that explains how Schumacher did not out-qualify senna in the first 3 races of 1994 despite having a faster car. Senna is the fastest ever over one lap, Schumacher was in the league just below.
Yes, one has to be honest with himself. You cannot relativize 91 wins and 7 championships in any kind. Every attempt to do drives you a fool. Ok? Schumi was the completest driver in F1-history ever. It is not a question, whether he was quicker than any other driver in the same car/the same round, at the same weather...this no one could ever proof - however, I think his chances were not too bad to win this competition, too. In fact, he managed what NO OTHER has been able to manage as well so far.
@BarneveldDarts Save the time or do things properly. you must compare results using the same amount of days as f1 pilots for all drivers. Do the numbers and youll see Senna had no comparision. He was and still the best and in second place comes Alonso... do the numbers and you will see.
@JMRRF Do you want me to tell you why your statistics are bad, really bad?Ok, back in the golden years(you know what I'm talking about) only the best 11 races or something like that were counted to the championship. Therefore the drivers went for it! They didn't care if they crashed 8 times if they got 11 wins! For them there was winning or nothing. With the same rules in those years and the 2000s your statistics would be so different. By the way, how long did it take to count it out?
@JMRRF Points mean nothing in light of talent and duration racing. Schumi started in a good car, and ended in a good car, a car that COULD win. Only the passed two years has he had this issue with the car not being fast enough even for a podium. Senna had 10 years to do what he did, only 4 of which with a car that could win a WDC.
1.Senna 2.Clark 3. Schumacher 4. Hakkinen 5. Rosberg(older) 6. Lauda 7. Prost 8. Alonso 9. Piguet(older) 10. Villeneuve And theres only 5 of these drivers i think had this "grazy" driving style. Senna, Rosberg,Schumacher, Clark and hakkinen
@kiddingboy128 Hakkinen in the top 10? Alesi? COULTHARD? This is beyond ridiculous... it's pretty obvious you don't know SHIT about F1 and F1 drivers.
Senna was just reckless and aggressive, no where near Schumi.
ashishbully 1 month ago
That's such a precise comment: )
As a racing driver, Schumacher doesn't have to be the most aggressive, the most ethical, or anything else, he just need to be the fastest...
rosun82 1 month ago
Can you just stop talking about Schumacher or Senna ?
Do you forget a guy who won 25 races, made 33 poles positions, 28 fastests laps, 32 podiums in 72 Grand Prix and won 2 world championships ? this guy died at the age of 32 after winning the first race in the 1968 season. This guy could be in F1 10 years more. And this guy is Jim Clark. Dont forget him. Schumacher and Senna were ones of the greatest. In fact, nobody can say who is the best because the best driver doesnt exist.
jeanclaude780 1 month ago
WTF?? "Michael Schumacher is the fastest driver the world has ever seen" ?? Senna: 65 poles in 161 GPs; MS: 68 poles in 270 GPs. The begining of MS's carreer was in Jordan, so of course he was gonna tell this bullshit. And Senna won the '83 F3 title, with 12 wins, leaving the Jordan team (with Martin Brundle) in 2nd place.
tmmphono 1 month ago
Senna was amazing!! The best F1 will ever seen, right after Schumi!!!!
poddesetnikG 2 months ago
I love Mansell,... for me he is the fastest, the best car controller as he prove on other racing field .. But I realize that F1 need not only speed, or may be charisma like Senna,... and honestly calculating all aspect technique, leadership, physically, Intelligent,... etc,etc,.. Schumacher is the greatest of All.
irpanudin1 3 months ago
...and now Eddie isn't too found of old Schumie is he?
carsismeZ06 3 months ago
senna is the best.
685962 3 months ago
wtf, senna made 65 poles in 161 races, the german made 68 in 270 races...it looks to me that the old man likes to flattering like any politician
shrapnelV 4 months ago
@shrapnelV His statement is about RACINGdrivers not qualifiers...
Morthelion 4 months ago
@Morthelion tank you for the explication, but jordan is awalys "politician" his opinion is pretty useless, i prefer /watch?v=3e6D7kreY04&feature=related
this guys looks more intact
shrapnelV 4 months ago
@shrapnelV Some say Senna, some say Schumacher. I prefer Michael when it comes to racing. In qualy Senna was the best without a doubt.
Morthelion 4 months ago
IN F1 THE DRIVE HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE RESULT WHOEVER HAS THE FASTEST CAR WINS THEY COULD PUT ANY F1 DRIVER IN VETTELS CAR AND THEN HE WOULD WIN NO DIVE IS BETTER THAN ANY OTHE AT THAT LEVEL ITS ALL ABOUT THE CAR
DAJAZDJ1 4 months ago
@DAJAZDJ1 So how about Webber? He's driving the same car and lacks pace.
Herrdesrings 4 months ago
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DAJAZDJ1 4 months ago
@Herrdesrings why cant they all have the same car then we would see who was the best if vettel was driving for anothe team he wouldn't be world champ this year i would like to see a full season where they all have exactly the same car i emember when damon hill was world champ then he changed to a new team and came no where vettel won this year cos he had the best car if someone else had that car they would of won as well
DAJAZDJ1 4 months ago
@DAJAZDJ1 No please don't let all of them have the same car. This is Formula 1 not GP2.
I don't know how Hamilton would have done in a RBR and maybe we'll never know. It doesn't matter. Last year it was a tough fight with Webber as Sebastian still had to learn alot. He's had a perfect season so far and if you look at the qualifyings he has always put down a fast lap when he needed to. He's a good driver period.
Herrdesrings 4 months ago
@Herrdesrings BELIVE ME THEY COULD OF PUT THE DRIVER WHO FINISHED LAST IN VETTEL'S CAR AND HE WOULD OF BEEN WORLD CHAMP IT'S ALL DOWN TO THE CAR IT'S 95% CAR 5% DRIVER THERE ALL PRO DRIVES AND ONCE U CAN DRIVE THATS IT NO ONES BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE AT DRIVING A DRIVER IS A DRIVER BUT IF I WAS RACING U IM IN A FERARI YOU IN A MINI IM GONNA WIN NOT BECAUSE IM BETTER JUST COS I HAVE THE FASTEST CAR AND THATS EXACTLY SAME AS F 1 I THINK I WOULD BE PROVED RIGHT IF THEY ALL HAD EXACTLY THE SAME CAR
DAJAZDJ1 4 months ago
@Herrdesrings Damon hill backs up my story 100% 1 year he was world champ easily the year after he joined a diffrent team and therefore had a diffrent car and came no where if any other driver and not just the big names had vettels car this year they would of won world title as well the driver actully only plays a tiny part in it same as schumacher if he drove for a lesser team would he have won as many titles he most likely wouldn't of won any its the car that wins titles not the driver
DAJAZDJ1 4 months ago
@DAJAZDJ1 "If any other driver had vettels car this year they would have won world title as well". So how come Webber can't keep up with Sebastian and can't even fight off Alonso and Button? He's currently 4th in this years drivers classification, yet he has the same basic car. It's about consistency and not pure specs. The RBR lacks topspeed but still has a better pace given a talented driver behind the wheel.
Herrdesrings 4 months ago
@Herrdesrings it wont be the exact same car webber has if vettel drove for one of the lesser teams would he be wold champion now? if one of the lesser teams drivers was given vettel's car would that driver be world champ probaly he would why are you against the same cars would that not be more fairer with any driver having an equal chance to win when now vettel wins almost every ace has won the title easily and all cos his car goes faster than anyone elses
DAJAZDJ1 4 months ago
@DAJAZDJ1 I can't tell how Vettel would do in a Ferrari or McLaren, but my guess is he'd be fast in any competitive car. Formula 1 is about different teams in the grid with all their ups and downs. There are plenty of other series with identical cars racing. It's a hit-and-miss scenario though.
Herrdesrings 4 months ago
Shut up Eddie!!
Kurac80 5 months ago
Eddie Jordan never saw Senna then...
BallisticEVA01 5 months ago
@BallisticEVA01 ....you're right, he never did 'see' Senna drive. Its well documented, even by him that he gave Senna a test drive and never actually twigged that Senna was brilliant, and for that I think he's an idiot, you only have to see he's an idiot when he does his commentary on BBC's coverage of Formula One.
safari0193 5 months ago
@safari0193
Wow! Wait bro! Eddie Jordan never gave Ayrton a test drive. You are making some sort of confusion.
Ayrton tested a F1 for the first time in the end of 1983, with Williams. A few weeks later he tested the McLaren, and then with the Toleman team, signing after that a contract for one year (1984) with them.
Eddie Jordan owned a F3000 team and only entered F1 in 1991.
But wait... are you talking about testing in F1 or in other categories?
Now its ME that´s confused!
LOL
Cheers
BallisticEVA01 5 months ago
Michael did great things with a great car. Senna did great things with a car.
Paellain 5 months ago
@Paellain Schumi hadn't the best car in his Benetton years and in the first Ferrari years either. Senna won everything with the best car, wtf are you talking about?
BeckMax 3 months ago
@BeckMax This would be a long discussion buddy, let's just say they are both great drivers.
Paellain 3 months ago
No one can deny that Schumacher is a true legend. He fithed against old legend like Senna, Prost, Hakkinen. And he was competitif against them, and he is still very competitif. So,YES, Schumacher is the BEST f the BEST.
kuturgan 5 months ago
schumacher is one of the best but compare him to drivers from other eras were they raced with the fear of death
2fast012 6 months ago
Senna was the fastest, Schumacher was probably second best, but it's gonna take an unbelievable talent to take Senna's crown. I am a massive fan of Michael, but he isn't number 1 on the list.
NZ77NZ 6 months ago
hes only saying that because he bought schumi into formula one.
TuneViper 6 months ago
Tell me were Schumacher is a leggend >.>? Ok For be a leggend he wins 7 Championship but what Pilots Like Villeneuve 6 races win, becomes one of the fastest and "crazy" driver on F1, Senna... n°1 Fangio 5 Championship wins with those cars... Schumacher had luck, and safety cars
RedhotIta1 6 months ago
@BarneveldDarts before schumi comes to f1 he havent money lol it was a totaly risc + he only came with luck to the f1 without money
Grisu94x 6 months ago
Obviously
Fernando is the FASTEST ever
Tyblack9696 7 months ago
I don't think so. Senna was the fastest racing driver, for sure!!!
lucardi1000 7 months ago
hamilton from a working class family
AdamKhanRs5 7 months ago
fangio is completely overated, why are you talking about him? talking about fangio is just old fart nostalgia, he's not even top 5. senna & schumi are easily in a class of their own. then prost, villenueve, clark, etc. Mika Hakinnen was a better driver than fangio as well, wake up, it's not the 1920s you turd burgalurs
thnk4urself 7 months ago
Who gives a fuck about others opinions. I have my own, and that's... who gives a shit!
thylegion 7 months ago
who is Eddie Jordan?
Thexyz3d 7 months ago
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MrJoker129 6 months ago
Not joke? hehehe
Thexyz3d 7 months ago
LEGEND
G0007 8 months ago
Nomen log Im gettin bored of this bullshit about him having the best car. In f1 you make you the best out off what you have and boy did he do that. He is THE rainmaster, In his first season he beat Senna.
theschuminator 9 months ago
Schumacher won 7 Championships, well thats true. 5 of them was considered the most boring years of F1 because there was only 2 red cars and the rest. Wow bravo... even Barichello won races :) Get real.
NomenLog 9 months ago
@NomenLog
Barichello didnt won everything 5 times in a row did he?
So take that bullshit that´s its all the car and UP YOURS
hlidskjalf666 9 months ago
This is simple. Greatest all round driver YES
Fastest driver ever.. NO.
sti777aus 10 months ago
And today? Schumacher has forgotten how to drive?
GKOBE 10 months ago
here here!
destiny6666 1 year ago
AMEN MR. JORDAN. Your comment is more qualified then all the trolls on youtube, wankng off to Senna all day.
DailyTerror666 1 year ago
@DailyTerror666 What about the comments on F1 Racing and Autosport. More than 50% of the two hundred and seventeen drivers who voted on a poll ranked Senna as the best ever. I think their opinion is well qualified, don't you think?
The poll made by F1Racing, where team bosses (like eddie) and engineers voted, and where more than 50% of them voted for Senna as the best again, is another poll which shows the specialists opinion, and their opinion is well qualified.
LouieGee 10 months ago
@LouieGee
In near future they will vote Schumacher..............
probably forever. They vote Senna because other things,like honour , true sportmenscraft and his tragic death.
hlidskjalf666 9 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 In the F1 Racing pole they voted Fangio over Schumacher, after 50 years. So I think you'll have to wait a little bit more than just a "near future". The people who REALLY know will always vote for Senna.
LouieGee 9 months ago
@LouieGee
it was Michael who eclipsed Fangio´s old record. Not senna.... ;)
And my opinion is, the 80-s and 90-is were far more equal and competitive than the gentlemen-era of the 50´s were rich playboys won and almost half of the grid had to break the race duo to mechanic failure!!
hlidskjalf666 9 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 So you see, Schumacher obtained all the records and STILL people who understand won't see him as the best. That's because records don't tell it all. About Schumacher eclipsing Fangio's record, I said that the F1 Racing pole put Fangio over Schumacher, despite the fact that people who don't know would always put Schumacher over Fangio. And the "rich playboy" thing was idiotic. Drivers back then were poor and bad paid, they were like gladiators, no rich playboy would ever be one.
LouieGee 9 months ago
@LouieGee
who are they? I think you´re missing important details with those rankings and votings.
Maybe Fangio are "greatest of all time" in some manner but I (and most reasonable people. Like F-1 expert Murray Walker and Eddie Jordan as seen above claim that Michael eclipsed them all.
- Most because the equal and more competetive generation as today.
- F1-Racing" is just another magazine,with an english/approach and subjetive and lots of indepedent votings!
hlidskjalf666 9 months ago
@LouieGee
---part 2 ---
are you saying that racing in the 50-is was for ordinary (poor) people!!!? x)
more like famous/rich/and gentlemens with money and time for racing /hobbie.
Try use that brain of yours ,Today thousands of elite go-karts kids and good drivers in Indy,F2000,F3000 fights for a chance to make it to Formula 1.
who knows for sure things that happenend back then, who can argue and make statements of events 60years ago? Today we got it all> cameras-telematri-data= Fair judge
hlidskjalf666 9 months ago
Schumacher is the greatest ever. Alonso is the all around driver at the moment and Vettel has the brightest future.
RGBSF 1 year ago
genius
G0007 1 year ago
just because senna's dad wa a millionaire doesn't mean he wasn't good? he would completely blitz hamilton who was helped into f1 by mclaren instead of working his way up from a smaller team, jeeze man get a life
MetallicaMichael94 1 year ago
@MetallicaMichael94
Wow you made the point. Everybody would have seen how much talent Hamilton had then. Driving one of the best cars to win doesn't show how much skills a driver has.
pranabnaik 1 year ago
@MetallicaMichael94 Senna's father wasn't a millionaire. He had a very good life and they had money, but to call him a millionaire is ignorance.
LouieGee 10 months ago
Schumacher, the fastest of his time, not of all time, no one is the fastest of all time.
ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPARE! different tracks, different cars, different safety levels, different opposition etc. ? dont hate, it's just biased to say these reasons mentioned mean nothing.
xMatt16 1 year ago
@xMatt16
You can compare driving style. Nobody is faster in the coners, closer to the walls, and harder to the limit then Schumacher. U only need to compare pictures to see that, no need for a time mashine ;)
DailyTerror666 1 year ago
@DailyTerror666 i see what your saying, but what about technology coming through time? Better Gripped tyres, Power steering, etc? yh i will admit, schumacher, GREAT DRIVER, but only of his time, look at him now? barely hitting a points finish and No podiums? yh he's had no real training and he had an accident i'll admit, but webber drove 4 races with a broken shoulder? people are faster in corners than him, becuase they can be now than what he was & he was backed by a team to the full, big help.
xMatt16 1 year ago
did anybody bother to ask michael himself who he think is the fastest driver?
MrRogueAngel 1 year ago
@MrRogueAngel Well, he said Senna was the best of all time. I bet he thinks Senna was the fastest as well.
LouieGee 10 months ago
Schumacher 4 ever
razvancool2005 1 year ago
Learn somethig of F1 history before writing. He hired Schu because Gachot was in jail and Mercedes paied $150000 thats true but he beated Cesaris (team mate) in qualifying and puts Jordan 7th on the grid at Spa without knowing the circuit... just a few laps in bicycle.... The first time that Jordan was between the first 10 in qualifying. Obviously you dislike him, thats right its your opinion, but you cant denied what he has achived...
ilnonae 2 years ago
@ilnonae is it the very same race that Senna won with a defekt gearbox and a stopping engine?while Schumachers teammate de Cesaris was second until 2 laps before finish?Jordan was not that bad in this race after all...
xpandia 1 year ago
i think lewis hamilton will succedd lewis hamiltonand in regards to barneveld darts.... hamilton is from a working class family and when he succedds u cannot mention anything abut coming from a rich family.....but senna was the fastest... look at qualifying
vibeackermann 2 years ago
u will say with that that senna came from a multi-millionaire family and Schumi or Hamilton not? .... all F1 insiders know that.
BarneveldDarts 2 years ago
@BarneveldDarts Senna came from a family with money, but they were not millionaires. He barely could afford going to formula ford.
MyTennis2009 8 months ago
@vibeackermann waarom vergelijk je in godesnaam Hamilton met zo een kanker mongool en de meest trieste sport darten en van Barneveld?!?! ben je niet goed bij je paasei ofzo?
Lexinho90 6 months ago
@yaivaa he didnt change his mind. at that point 91 he didnt know about michael. it was like "he the f*** is he" nobody knew michael at the time. at 91 jordan couldnt knew about how special ms was. thats why money was important at spa91. there was no contract either thats why flavio "catched" him right after spa for benetton
Loboger 2 years ago
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@Loboger "it was like "he the f*** is he" nobody knew michael at the time"
Do you think that people live under a rock before they join F1? Do you think F1 Teams have zero understanding on what is going on outside the F1? You actually believe F1 teams don't have interest in what goes on in the lower formula's? How do you function in day to day life? I am genuinely interested.
philateliceun 1 year ago
Thanks to this man............forever. We are now president of the world.
newromantic888 2 years ago
Well said Eddie.Absolutely right .The fastest ever.
newromantic888 2 years ago 43
@newromantic888 that explains how Schumacher did not out-qualify senna in the first 3 races of 1994 despite having a faster car. Senna is the fastest ever over one lap, Schumacher was in the league just below.
scoregoals 5 months ago
yes the fastest.
newromantic888 2 years ago 10
Yes. Eddie started the whole thing so I believe him.
newromantic888 2 years ago 4
Yes, one has to be honest with himself. You cannot relativize 91 wins and 7 championships in any kind. Every attempt to do drives you a fool. Ok? Schumi was the completest driver in F1-history ever. It is not a question, whether he was quicker than any other driver in the same car/the same round, at the same weather...this no one could ever proof - however, I think his chances were not too bad to win this competition, too. In fact, he managed what NO OTHER has been able to manage as well so far.
zentralwerkstatt 2 years ago 2
senna? lol there r so much better drivers then senna (the son of a millionaire)
BarneveldDarts 2 years ago
Points/Race (old system 9-6-4-3-2-1):
1st Schumacher 4.89,
2nd Fangio 4.77,
3rd Ascari 3.88,
4th Prost 3.86,
5th Clark 3.75,
6th Stewart 3.60,
7th Senna 3.54,
8th Farina 3.39.
JMRRF 2 years ago 55
wise m8 :-)
BarneveldDarts 2 years ago 7
@BarneveldDarts Save the time or do things properly. you must compare results using the same amount of days as f1 pilots for all drivers. Do the numbers and youll see Senna had no comparision. He was and still the best and in second place comes Alonso... do the numbers and you will see.
NomenLog 9 months ago
@NomenLog
check out the big brain .....of nomenlog.
*In the 90-is there was more races /tighter schedule in the calendar....
* Senna was fast sometimes,but he was irregular and nothing bout a posour.
* Prost was way better and succesful f-1 driver.
* Senna was in 16 collisions with other drivers.
* 11 years and barely 3 titles! (wich 1 was by knocking out prost´s car ! )
the best? pff fuckoff
hlidskjalf666 9 months ago
@hlidskjalf666
"(wich 1 was by knocking out prost´s car ! )"
Remember, Schumacher x Hill, Australia 1994
Schumacher x Villeneuve (FAIL) Jerez 1997
Schumacher x Alonso (Qualifying) Monaco 2006
Schumacher x Barrichello A1-Ring 2002, Indianapolis 2005
Schumacher x Alonso Monaco 2010
gabrieljuventus 9 months ago
@gabrieljuventus
Anyway,Michael did not became champion because of something like that!
Senna did.And some collisions for you my f-friend
- Senna-Mansell in Rio 86
- Senna-Mansell in Spa 87
- Senna-Schlesser in Monza 88
- Senna-Berger in Rio 89
- Senna-Mansell in Estoril 89
- Senna-Prost in Suzuka 89
hlidskjalf666 9 months ago 12
@hlidskjalf666 Senna-Prost Suzuka 89, Prost clearly hits Senna intentionally.
gabrieljuventus 7 months ago
@JMRRF Totally, totally agreed. That is almost perfect.
philateliceun 1 year ago
@JMRRF Do you want me to tell you why your statistics are bad, really bad?Ok, back in the golden years(you know what I'm talking about) only the best 11 races or something like that were counted to the championship. Therefore the drivers went for it! They didn't care if they crashed 8 times if they got 11 wins! For them there was winning or nothing. With the same rules in those years and the 2000s your statistics would be so different. By the way, how long did it take to count it out?
MyTennis2009 8 months ago
@JMRRF Points mean nothing in light of talent and duration racing. Schumi started in a good car, and ended in a good car, a car that COULD win. Only the passed two years has he had this issue with the car not being fast enough even for a podium. Senna had 10 years to do what he did, only 4 of which with a car that could win a WDC.
bob333336 6 months ago
rautavaari 2 years ago
wtf? Schumacher on 3?? How? :-O
your list is a simple scandal m8! lol
BarneveldDarts 2 years ago
kiddingboy128 2 years ago 2
@kiddingboy128 Hakkinen in the top 10? Alesi? COULTHARD? This is beyond ridiculous... it's pretty obvious you don't know SHIT about F1 and F1 drivers.
LouieGee 10 months ago