Perhaps I misunderstand but that sounds like an accusation of Racism. Which would be really quite silly seeing as how I've only mentioned differences in Values & Native Americans... (& I'm Part Native American... BlackFoot Chocktaw & Cherokee)
As for cultural 'prejudice' culture by definition is a value system to which all men must differ with someone if only in their universal embrace of others.
Mno No, it doesn't. That is the lie I'VE Heard ALl My Life!~ & There is ZERO Evidence to support sucha claim.
Notice I'm the one supplying real world explanations.
If you wanted to supplant the term "Racism" with "Ideological Tribalism" there might be quite a bit of truth to it. But Humans are not bees & uniformity demands a queen, who must demand subjugation & conformity, the antithesis of "Freedom", which is my Goal if not yours. Competition breeds EXCELLENCE, look At Evolution.
Anyone (without tunnel vision) can see that no one is ever conquered in a democratic society (unless by their own choice to sit down & shut up), particularly now, when there is a swelling movement against Big Government.
At first glance this VenusProject looks to be a modern Owenism & yourself a collectivist. I shall look a bit further & if my suspicions are correct I can add it to my blog on Leftist Heritage as another example of failed Utopianism. =)
Only you have the ability to set aside your biased thinking and preconceived notions to realize that we've been given a certain way to think that props up this system.
The simple fact that you dismiss "researching thoroughly" before your biased label of "collectivist" doesn't lend to credibilty in your ability to discern rational thinking and bias thinking.
You presume me biased merely because of your own misconstruement of my statements & I am hardly a credible example for one not understanding Indoctrination into the "Current System".
The description "First Glance" indicates intentional admission to Possible Conclusion Jumping. The statement was more social than academic, concisely expressing 1st impression & reassuring further inquiry.
I enjoy Challenges to my rationality! although usually more confined to a debate that requires defining terms
Work is produced my self interest....and 99% of human existence was egalitarian...and people flourish through cooperation and collective working and collaboration through solidarity in values and goals that is beneficial to ALL. Utopian, like collectivism and consp. theory are used endlessly to thwart this realization b/c people are taught to connect and couple the words to other meanings by propoganda/msn.
By 99% do you refer to in the most part Hunter Gatherer Societies?, & would you not consider Native Americans the best example of Stone Aged, hunter Gatherer, State of Nature, society (in pre Columbus America)? If so, I must explain many tribes held slaves, some were canibals, many were war cultures, & women weren't equal.
Besides the Well known Dictators, Utopianisms or shall I say Collaborative Societies sprung up in America in the 1800s & all failed within a few years. Look Up Owen & Fourier
Yes there were abberhant behaviors in Native American societies, there's no perfect Utopian societies. However, upstartism was forbidden.....and it worked.
Now, if you want to discourage a straight course into what actually works and what doesn't go ahead. But the facts are evident, and an economic system that produces abberhant behavior by it's very set up along with differential advantage, corruption, and billions starving, go ahead and support it.
If I understand "Upstartism" your point is the goal of uniformity of values which intrinsically narrows the human condition, the freedom to judge for one's self, of those living in that society. This is a fundamental clash between Collectivism & Individualism; the contrasting Goals of Peaceful Uniformity VS Peaceful Individuality.
Aberrant is a pejorative of Individuality which by libertarian standards cannot apply in your way by Libertarian standards.
...& you presume again to call Keynesian Economics the Same as Free Market Capitalism.
I've provided the distinction.
The vast majority of National Economies are Keynesian. ALL AFRICAN STARVATION, The Global recession, are DIRECTLY caused by Keynesian principles DEVIATING FROM Capitalism. Paper money is Keynesian, Giant Handouts from the US Govt. Putting Africa on Food Rations IS KEYNESIAN. Its all been worked out & proven.
...Even as these Communes were voluntary they could not feed themselves without the self interest motivation of Private Property.
read "A Conservative History of the American Left"
As it is This history is not taught, or even mentioned outside of Libertarian Circles except to claim William Bradford's Collectivism was Really "Corporatism" even tho, no matter the name, the cause of hunger & strife was abolition of Private ownership.
We have a Keynesian Economic system & It caused the recession.
Economists like Milton Friedman & Thomas Sowell have proven Free Market Capitalism the best system for both freedom & providing for the needy, & they have done so by comparing like with like. A good video on Youtube for this is "Arguing For Capitalism" /watch?v=Br4s1R8uotw
My understanding goes far deeper than knee jerk regurgitation of buzz words. It is built on understanding ppl.
How do you get ppl with conflicting values to cooperate but with self interest & separation?
There is no such thing as a free market, as it's manipulated and you very well know that.
Collective values? We all need food, water and clean air to survive, and it's our moral values in solidarity that can bring about the peace we so desire; a safe planet to live on.
With nuclear weapons and the greed for money that our economic system actually ENHANCES, the entire world will never be safe NOR secure. I hope that hits home. It's a no brainer.
Deeper than knee jerk regurgitation of propoganda? Then please refrain from words like conspiracy theorist, liberal, utopia, or truthers, b/c this type of propoganda is all I ever encounter in resistance to a resource based economy.
I said "Buzz Words" not "propaganda" I have not said conspiracy theorist, or "Liberal" which I retain the right to use. (Libertarian & Freedom I have used) In the First Place, Freedom is the issue & You want to prevent me from using all the words necessary to COMMUNICATE IDEAS. particularly concisely, because you've been taught they're "Propaganda" Ironically.
If you believe in the free exchange of ideas then you MUST Allow your opponent to describe his belief & SHOULD seek to understand it too
Oh, I understand it, that's the reason I made the comment that I did. Tell me, how can one be so self-absorbed and competitive that they'll argue about petty job picks and racism?
Pssst. There's something waaaaaaaaaay more impt. on the horizon, and all of this silly little argument was banked on and predicted in the first place. Keep your eye on the ball. It's been averted.
...Ah but Venusians claim the necessity of shared values & thus demands constraint on freedom greater than Capitalism. And Freedom limited only by Libertarian styled law is my greatest value for society. I do not begrudge anyone their Collaborative Experimentation, originally the States & local districts were designed for Community Cooperation & Experimentation so as to provide a diverse choice of communities & values.
If white males are qualified over unqualified minorities than its racism...also with the immigration, how come Indians, Koreans, Japanese and even people from the impoverished eastern Bloc can emigrate here legally (and assimilate themselves)but people from south of the border can't do it?
There is no gene for race, biologically, so please, get over this intentional divide.
Like I said...you've been divided and conquered. It's an age old tactic for control.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Perhaps I misunderstand but that sounds like an accusation of Racism. Which would be really quite silly seeing as how I've only mentioned differences in Values & Native Americans... (& I'm Part Native American... BlackFoot Chocktaw & Cherokee)
As for cultural 'prejudice' culture by definition is a value system to which all men must differ with someone if only in their universal embrace of others.
asderathos 2 years ago
This argument you're talking about stems from racism, division, social strife, competition, etc.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Mno No, it doesn't. That is the lie I'VE Heard ALl My Life!~ & There is ZERO Evidence to support sucha claim.
Notice I'm the one supplying real world explanations.
If you wanted to supplant the term "Racism" with "Ideological Tribalism" there might be quite a bit of truth to it. But Humans are not bees & uniformity demands a queen, who must demand subjugation & conformity, the antithesis of "Freedom", which is my Goal if not yours. Competition breeds EXCELLENCE, look At Evolution.
asderathos 2 years ago
Divided and conquered......now tunnel vision due to adherance to shallow consumerism and ego.
There are sound solutions. Venusproject (dot) com
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Anyone (without tunnel vision) can see that no one is ever conquered in a democratic society (unless by their own choice to sit down & shut up), particularly now, when there is a swelling movement against Big Government.
At first glance this VenusProject looks to be a modern Owenism & yourself a collectivist. I shall look a bit further & if my suspicions are correct I can add it to my blog on Leftist Heritage as another example of failed Utopianism. =)
Work is produced by self interest!~
asderathos 2 years ago
Only you have the ability to set aside your biased thinking and preconceived notions to realize that we've been given a certain way to think that props up this system.
The simple fact that you dismiss "researching thoroughly" before your biased label of "collectivist" doesn't lend to credibilty in your ability to discern rational thinking and bias thinking.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
You presume me biased merely because of your own misconstruement of my statements & I am hardly a credible example for one not understanding Indoctrination into the "Current System".
The description "First Glance" indicates intentional admission to Possible Conclusion Jumping. The statement was more social than academic, concisely expressing 1st impression & reassuring further inquiry.
I enjoy Challenges to my rationality! although usually more confined to a debate that requires defining terms
asderathos 2 years ago
Thanks for clarifying by pm...
Work is produced my self interest....and 99% of human existence was egalitarian...and people flourish through cooperation and collective working and collaboration through solidarity in values and goals that is beneficial to ALL. Utopian, like collectivism and consp. theory are used endlessly to thwart this realization b/c people are taught to connect and couple the words to other meanings by propoganda/msn.
Think for yourself.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
By 99% do you refer to in the most part Hunter Gatherer Societies?, & would you not consider Native Americans the best example of Stone Aged, hunter Gatherer, State of Nature, society (in pre Columbus America)? If so, I must explain many tribes held slaves, some were canibals, many were war cultures, & women weren't equal.
Besides the Well known Dictators, Utopianisms or shall I say Collaborative Societies sprung up in America in the 1800s & all failed within a few years. Look Up Owen & Fourier
asderathos 2 years ago
Yes there were abberhant behaviors in Native American societies, there's no perfect Utopian societies. However, upstartism was forbidden.....and it worked.
Now, if you want to discourage a straight course into what actually works and what doesn't go ahead. But the facts are evident, and an economic system that produces abberhant behavior by it's very set up along with differential advantage, corruption, and billions starving, go ahead and support it.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
If I understand "Upstartism" your point is the goal of uniformity of values which intrinsically narrows the human condition, the freedom to judge for one's self, of those living in that society. This is a fundamental clash between Collectivism & Individualism; the contrasting Goals of Peaceful Uniformity VS Peaceful Individuality.
Aberrant is a pejorative of Individuality which by libertarian standards cannot apply in your way by Libertarian standards.
asderathos 2 years ago
...& you presume again to call Keynesian Economics the Same as Free Market Capitalism.
I've provided the distinction.
The vast majority of National Economies are Keynesian. ALL AFRICAN STARVATION, The Global recession, are DIRECTLY caused by Keynesian principles DEVIATING FROM Capitalism. Paper money is Keynesian, Giant Handouts from the US Govt. Putting Africa on Food Rations IS KEYNESIAN. Its all been worked out & proven.
asderathos 2 years ago
...Even as these Communes were voluntary they could not feed themselves without the self interest motivation of Private Property.
read "A Conservative History of the American Left"
As it is This history is not taught, or even mentioned outside of Libertarian Circles except to claim William Bradford's Collectivism was Really "Corporatism" even tho, no matter the name, the cause of hunger & strife was abolition of Private ownership.
We have a Keynesian Economic system & It caused the recession.
asderathos 2 years ago
Economists like Milton Friedman & Thomas Sowell have proven Free Market Capitalism the best system for both freedom & providing for the needy, & they have done so by comparing like with like. A good video on Youtube for this is "Arguing For Capitalism" /watch?v=Br4s1R8uotw
My understanding goes far deeper than knee jerk regurgitation of buzz words. It is built on understanding ppl.
How do you get ppl with conflicting values to cooperate but with self interest & separation?
asderathos 2 years ago
There is no such thing as a free market, as it's manipulated and you very well know that.
Collective values? We all need food, water and clean air to survive, and it's our moral values in solidarity that can bring about the peace we so desire; a safe planet to live on.
With nuclear weapons and the greed for money that our economic system actually ENHANCES, the entire world will never be safe NOR secure. I hope that hits home. It's a no brainer.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Hong Kong was a Free Market it is exampled by Milton Friedman & As I said there are Many examples on the Video url I posted
Community preservation is not in the human animal as primary instinct, we are not bees
Nothing commands action more than feeling the need for one's self, & supply & demand economics supplies EVERYONE. It is proven Charity requires work
Nukes are harmless as long as they stay out of the hands of Crazies because of SELF INTEREST which when ignored ALLOWS Crazy's their strides
asderathos 2 years ago
Deeper than knee jerk regurgitation of propoganda? Then please refrain from words like conspiracy theorist, liberal, utopia, or truthers, b/c this type of propoganda is all I ever encounter in resistance to a resource based economy.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
I said "Buzz Words" not "propaganda" I have not said conspiracy theorist, or "Liberal" which I retain the right to use. (Libertarian & Freedom I have used) In the First Place, Freedom is the issue & You want to prevent me from using all the words necessary to COMMUNICATE IDEAS. particularly concisely, because you've been taught they're "Propaganda" Ironically.
If you believe in the free exchange of ideas then you MUST Allow your opponent to describe his belief & SHOULD seek to understand it too
asderathos 2 years ago
Oh, I understand it, that's the reason I made the comment that I did. Tell me, how can one be so self-absorbed and competitive that they'll argue about petty job picks and racism?
Pssst. There's something waaaaaaaaaay more impt. on the horizon, and all of this silly little argument was banked on and predicted in the first place. Keep your eye on the ball. It's been averted.
Please see that.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A
My priority is Honest Communication & Truth.
asderathos 2 years ago
...Ah but Venusians claim the necessity of shared values & thus demands constraint on freedom greater than Capitalism. And Freedom limited only by Libertarian styled law is my greatest value for society. I do not begrudge anyone their Collaborative Experimentation, originally the States & local districts were designed for Community Cooperation & Experimentation so as to provide a diverse choice of communities & values.
asderathos 2 years ago
Democratic society? Did you vote for the bail out? War? Elitist tax cuts? Immigration issues?
Just wondering....
Btw, we're helping to spread this same "democracy" in Iraq. Oh, I forgot the "freedom" part.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
The Bailout a Further Deviation from Capitalism was allowed by the progressive deviation from Constitutional Law.
The War was was only voted on by congress. The reasoning for it is unquestionable if you know it & don't buy the Lie Lie.
Bush's tax cuts sure was "Elitist" it Disappeared 11% of the Middle Class!!!~ RIGHT INTO THE UPPER CLASS.
1% of the ppl pay HALF Of ALL TAXES
A Poor man creates No Jobs.
The Two Party System is overdue for another Lincoln Abolitionist Re-founding.
asderathos 2 years ago
ILLEGAL UNLAWFUL Immigration Issues.
History shows the cycle. After Buchanon came Lincoln, after Woodrow Wilson came Coolidge, after Jimmy Carter Came Reagan.
Iraq is freer than with the rape rooms.
asderathos 2 years ago
If white males are qualified over unqualified minorities than its racism...also with the immigration, how come Indians, Koreans, Japanese and even people from the impoverished eastern Bloc can emigrate here legally (and assimilate themselves)but people from south of the border can't do it?
MDK236 2 years ago
Culture.
asderathos 2 years ago