its crazy to hear the real story behind the the wayne county reck. i was at English town to see the mopars and to hear what happened to them it made me sick. They were the best and i still have that 88 MOPAR daytona picture in my shop. its a real shame they could have broke records
it should be no rules at all. bring what you got and race it. every week on nascar and nhra its the same dam winners. mutli car teams and the high dollar teams win. its so unfair now days.
Does anybody seriously expect Dave Koffel, or anybody associated with Wayne County to come out and say anything BUT that they weren't cheating? I don't think so. Too much of THEIR stories didn't hold water. I was as big a fan of WC and D.A / S.G. as anyone, but when you look at the facts it is hard to deny that they were not legit.
no you can't go back to "old" setups.using outdated info / setups in prostock don't work so well.. even using "last years" setup would be a huge setback in competition.. probably couldnt even qualify..what he did is distribute cocaine to afford all of his quality fresh parts and r&d .. hes not jerry eckman. he wasn't scrounging up money before races trying to piece together a sour prostock motor and hadda try and sneak in some squeeze in the oil pan to make up for a poor motor..
@DavidW2340 Well I guess it makes sense in what you said....I guess I should look at the Johnson's today how theyve fallen off so much in a few seasons after being so dominate for two decades.
And funny you mention Jerry Eckman because I was reading a story about Jerry Eckman awhile ago it sounded like Jerry just got screwed by his crew chief and car owner. Same as Alderman & Geoffrion who seemed like nice guys
@DavidW2340 Yeah but its cool that he's back in the sport. I cant remember the team he's with (I want to say Stanfield) but I met him in Phoenix in 2008.....ironically waiting to talk to Warren Johnson, He seems like a pretty cool guy
The only question that I have is that if it were really a sabatoge and if it was somebody really breaking in and destroying the motors is that how come they fell off so much. I mean I can understand falling off a little with new equipment and figuring that out but couldnt of they gone back to old setups and what not and still have been a very good team. Im mean they fell off so fast
I always knew the GM camp cheated and the officials looked the other way because of big dollar sponsorship from GM. So they villified the Mopar camp since they were the ones to beat. You can confirm that the GM cars were spraying nitrous because of the mile per hour vs elapsed time. Nitrous cars always had high mile per hour vs elapsed time. Thanks for confirming my suspicions,as I was a big pro stock racing fan since the 80's and 90's.
The chevrolet guys are still bitter over chrysler dominating. So.. either NHRA are really unorganized stupid people/officials and darrel out smarted them for years (not likely) OR.. get this..DARREL ALDERMAN never cheated.. its like you brand-X guys think that after darrel won he just loaded the car up and drove off! lmao.. no instead him and his crew were basically harrased after every event win through long and time consuming tear downs..they even xrayed the cars lmao..
If they used nos they would never make it down the track without spining the damn tires off.A pro stock car has more power than they can use. Thats why theres a clutch with a computer.DUHH
Grumpy whatever: NHRA took a whole WAYNE COUNTY car apart & went so far as to have an aircraft supplier X-RAY the frame & other parts looking for a way to hide a nitrous system...NOTHING NOT A THING!!! It was just the right combinations & the right drivers..period.You bow tie boys can't take it when MOPAR CAN DO MORE WITH LESS & make gm look bad at the same time.P.S. dagrump never did find out what the front end of a HEMI-CUDA LOOKS LIKE!!!!!
Seems to me that anybody that drives or builds a Mopar is cheating but when the Gm boys do it we turn a blind eye,
I still beleive that the dodges where too dominant and that didnt go down too well for the Gm and ford guys as they say mony talks and bullshit walks!
I tried to post on here the other day but it never got put on here. This guy and the woman talking in the background are full of crap. Im not sure who they are but there not apart of the wayne county speed shop. I live in Fairfield Il. also know to you people as wayne county. Our small town of 5600 people were proud after years of hard work the speed shop got there Dodge sponsor. And just as disappointed the way it ended. I know the guys from the shop and never seen the Koffels there.
I find it amazing that a two car team with lots of money and experience couldn't build an engine to qualify after the "break in." Every engine builder worth a shit keeps detailed notes. You're telling me they couldn't dig out the notes and build another engine that would qualify? The whole break in BS story was to cover their ass when they couldn't run without nitrous.
Everyone Knows Wayne County used Nitrous. Of course he's not gonna sit there and tell you about it. That is until he writes his book later on and can make some money out of it.
its crazy to hear the real story behind the the wayne county reck. i was at English town to see the mopars and to hear what happened to them it made me sick. They were the best and i still have that 88 MOPAR daytona picture in my shop. its a real shame they could have broke records
320jer 11 months ago
it should be no rules at all. bring what you got and race it. every week on nascar and nhra its the same dam winners. mutli car teams and the high dollar teams win. its so unfair now days.
CAMARO30082 1 year ago
Does anybody seriously expect Dave Koffel, or anybody associated with Wayne County to come out and say anything BUT that they weren't cheating? I don't think so. Too much of THEIR stories didn't hold water. I was as big a fan of WC and D.A / S.G. as anyone, but when you look at the facts it is hard to deny that they were not legit.
Prostock1489 1 year ago
no you can't go back to "old" setups.using outdated info / setups in prostock don't work so well.. even using "last years" setup would be a huge setback in competition.. probably couldnt even qualify..what he did is distribute cocaine to afford all of his quality fresh parts and r&d .. hes not jerry eckman. he wasn't scrounging up money before races trying to piece together a sour prostock motor and hadda try and sneak in some squeeze in the oil pan to make up for a poor motor..
DavidW2340 1 year ago
@DavidW2340 Well I guess it makes sense in what you said....I guess I should look at the Johnson's today how theyve fallen off so much in a few seasons after being so dominate for two decades.
And funny you mention Jerry Eckman because I was reading a story about Jerry Eckman awhile ago it sounded like Jerry just got screwed by his crew chief and car owner. Same as Alderman & Geoffrion who seemed like nice guys
3fan4eva 1 year ago
@3fan4eva ya when i said jerry eckman i was reffering to his crew chief and car owner indeed. I think jerry was screwed over =(
DavidW2340 1 year ago
@DavidW2340 Yeah but its cool that he's back in the sport. I cant remember the team he's with (I want to say Stanfield) but I met him in Phoenix in 2008.....ironically waiting to talk to Warren Johnson, He seems like a pretty cool guy
3fan4eva 1 year ago
The only question that I have is that if it were really a sabatoge and if it was somebody really breaking in and destroying the motors is that how come they fell off so much. I mean I can understand falling off a little with new equipment and figuring that out but couldnt of they gone back to old setups and what not and still have been a very good team. Im mean they fell off so fast
3fan4eva 1 year ago
I always knew the GM camp cheated and the officials looked the other way because of big dollar sponsorship from GM. So they villified the Mopar camp since they were the ones to beat. You can confirm that the GM cars were spraying nitrous because of the mile per hour vs elapsed time. Nitrous cars always had high mile per hour vs elapsed time. Thanks for confirming my suspicions,as I was a big pro stock racing fan since the 80's and 90's.
monabang 1 year ago
The chevrolet guys are still bitter over chrysler dominating. So.. either NHRA are really unorganized stupid people/officials and darrel out smarted them for years (not likely) OR.. get this..DARREL ALDERMAN never cheated.. its like you brand-X guys think that after darrel won he just loaded the car up and drove off! lmao.. no instead him and his crew were basically harrased after every event win through long and time consuming tear downs..they even xrayed the cars lmao..
DavidW2340 2 years ago
If they used nos they would never make it down the track without spining the damn tires off.A pro stock car has more power than they can use. Thats why theres a clutch with a computer.DUHH
alsacb 2 years ago
GM scumbags got away with murder, call the FBI. Where was WJ's crew?
mcleanartists 2 years ago
Look at Jegg PS doesen't blow the hood scoop off with out the bottle on
davedidit44 2 years ago
There was no "bottle" involved! A valve hung open.
ralachapelle 2 years ago
Grumpy whatever: NHRA took a whole WAYNE COUNTY car apart & went so far as to have an aircraft supplier X-RAY the frame & other parts looking for a way to hide a nitrous system...NOTHING NOT A THING!!! It was just the right combinations & the right drivers..period.You bow tie boys can't take it when MOPAR CAN DO MORE WITH LESS & make gm look bad at the same time.P.S. dagrump never did find out what the front end of a HEMI-CUDA LOOKS LIKE!!!!!
middsteve 2 years ago
Seems to me that anybody that drives or builds a Mopar is cheating but when the Gm boys do it we turn a blind eye,
I still beleive that the dodges where too dominant and that didnt go down too well for the Gm and ford guys as they say mony talks and bullshit walks!
moparcon 2 years ago 2
I tried to post on here the other day but it never got put on here. This guy and the woman talking in the background are full of crap. Im not sure who they are but there not apart of the wayne county speed shop. I live in Fairfield Il. also know to you people as wayne county. Our small town of 5600 people were proud after years of hard work the speed shop got there Dodge sponsor. And just as disappointed the way it ended. I know the guys from the shop and never seen the Koffels there.
pondcreeker 2 years ago
@pondcreeker That woman sure sounds like Mrs Koffel to me and she knows the
BUSINESS of racing!
circaseventies 1 year ago
I find it amazing that a two car team with lots of money and experience couldn't build an engine to qualify after the "break in." Every engine builder worth a shit keeps detailed notes. You're telling me they couldn't dig out the notes and build another engine that would qualify? The whole break in BS story was to cover their ass when they couldn't run without nitrous.
grumpybb 2 years ago
Don't BS people about not using nitrous. Everyone knows Wayne County was using it. What a joke.
TomTuckerton 2 years ago
If wayne county was using nitrous so was everyone else but sounds to me the dodge boys was just better at using it
428RR 2 years ago
If wayne county was cheating so was everyone else but sounds to me wayne county was better at it
428RR 2 years ago
well hey if they Cheated So does Greg Anderson
fenderpbass03 3 years ago
Why don't you guys interview Mike Sullivan. I am sure he will tell you guys the real truth.
dwhemi 3 years ago
Everyone Knows Wayne County used Nitrous. Of course he's not gonna sit there and tell you about it. That is until he writes his book later on and can make some money out of it.
HitmanSVT 3 years ago 2
All everyone knows is that the media threw out accusations and the NHRA had to act otherwise they would look like total dicks.
moparcon 2 years ago