Remington 700 Bolt: Factory vs Sako-style extractor

[Elementlmage]

I've been wondering, why does everyone refer to it as a "Sako" extractor? It's not like they invented it or even popularized its use?

IIRC, that style of extractor was first invented by Hiram Berdan and was first used on his Berdan II rifle in 1870. And I've got an antique Mosin(ironically, it was rebuilt at the Sako arsenal!) from 1896 with the same setup.

Did everyone just decide to start calling it a Sako extractor when Sako rifles started to become available State-side?

[onneb90]

my 700 in 223 doesnt do that...

[ocabj]

@onneb90 It shouldn't.

[14goldmedals]

The factory bolt simply has a worn out ejector spring from being closed on a full chamber more. Knock out the pin, extract the punch while catching the plunger and old spring. Slip a new spring in and reassemble. Then tell the salesman to keep his Sako extractor. Because the EXTRACTOR in both cases is EXTRACTING. The EJECTOR is what is failing in the first bolt due to a bad spring. What did P.T. Barnum say again........?

[ocabj]

@14goldmedals Record a video of a Remington 700 short action with a 6mmBR chamber and a factory bolt while you slow operate a the bolt. Post it. Let me see your results.

[14goldmedals]

@ocabj ok as soon as you record a video of a left handed long action 338 Edge Rem 700 action while you slow operate the bolt yada yada yada. I've owned verious Rem 700's over the last 30 years and if the bolt is maintained the brass will fling halfway across the room. Extractors extract. Ejectors eject. No magic ju-ju involved.

[ocabj]

@14goldmedals You need to read info on the 6mmbr website which has background on Sako extractors and why they are useful with very short cartridge cases like the 6mmBR. I have mentioned (as well as other people writing about 6mmBR in the 700) that you don't *need* the Sako mod if you operate the bolt with speed. But it's a useful mod in this application. But you're welcome to stick to your opinion and ideology regarding 700 factory bolts. Good luck in your shooting endeavors.

[ocabj]

@14goldmedals FYI: It's not a bad spring. Again, if you actually read the background information on 6mmBR in Remington 700 factory actions, you will understand why it doesn't eject with force like other common short action cases with a .308 style bolt face.

[RackBaLLZ]

@ocabj Check out this video by TSniper79 : Remington 700 SPS Varmint .308 Shooting

He doesn't seem to be pulling back at a faster speed than you, and the cases seem to eject just fine. I don't believe there are any mods done to it other than a bi-pod and a scope, per his previous video that he made stating he just bought it.

I'm not downing you or anything, I just believe the 700 action is an excellent tried and true action. If it is worn out just replace what needs replacing.

[ocabj]

@RackBaLLZ Again, that video is a .308. I am using a 6mmBR. The empty .308 case measures 2.800". The empty 6mmBR case measures 1.550" This is over 1" difference. The Remington 700 factory bolt ejector/extractor won't generate enough torque because the 6mmBR casing is too short. The ejector/extractor is not worn out.

[RackBaLLZ]

@ocabj So, are you shooting a 6mmBR with this rifle?

[ocabj]

@RackBaLLZ Yes, as indicated in the opening titles of the video: "Remington 700 (Eliseo R5) Chambered in 6mmBR".

[RackBaLLZ]

@ocabj I've seen more of your videos and read more of what's been said and understand that you do shoot 6mmBR with this gun. Did not realize it is chambered for it.  It just seems like a smaller casing would need less torque, I don't know enough about it to really assume.

[AngeredKabar]

So that's a pretty interesting stock I guess you could say. Looks like a good way to introduce consistency into the design of the rifle. Don't have to worry so much about bedding compound getting damaged and I guess it's a little more forgiving if you don't have the action screwed in exactly the same way every time.

[drewnickel]

its good to know that even with the lack of ejection that the remington 700 still seems to not jam easily, alot of rifles would get a stovepipe jam from operating that slow with a shorter cartridge. but dang, that sako style bolt pretty much took the 700's pros and threw out the cons.

[jpsieben7]

to all of you retards commenting about the gun being "fake" or this video being stupid, you obviously dont know the first fucking thing about rifles or any gun for that matter.. while the paint job may not be to my liking, its his gun so who the fuck cares? he's merely showing that the sako modification is better than the factory bolt because it ejects the spend cartridge better and more reliably thus preventing jams... ignorant people these days..

[MrXl250]

i remember my first toy gun too. only it wasn't nearly as gay.

learn how to use a rifle.

[ocabj]

@MrXl250 Thanks for the feedback. It would be great if you could share any resources you know of on how to use a rifle. I certainly am willing to learn in order to obtain marksmanship skills. Thank you.

[DeathAdder187]

@MrXl250 The day Sako starts making extractors for toy guns that eject toy cartridges my life will be complete.

In case I was too subtle: it's not a toy gun and it's you who should leave the internet AND actually shoot anything before pretending to be an expert.

[jedirifleman]

@MrXl250 Don't lie. You never had a toy rifle. It was just a 18" dildo your mom gave you. She took it back from you when she found out you abused it and it was full of teeth marks.

[drewnickel]

@MrXl250 the color doesn't matter, if it's a match rifle then you can chose whatever color, where as a hunting rifle would be better off with either camo, natural colors, or just a sporter style wood stock with blued metal. ultimately color doesn't matter, it's the accuracy and reliability that counts.

[snowyphil65]

gotta say, i think thats the ugliest 700 ive ever seen

[DACFalloutRanger]

I just played this 5 times...to listen >.<

[superlardo77]

im likin the paint job.

[TheKrayusKorianis]

Open the bolt faster... No wonder it's not extracting and throwing the casing.

[ocabj]

@TheKrayusKorianis Yes, bringing the bolt back with speed and force will extract the shorter 6mmBR cartridge with a standard extractor. But in the event the operator slow strokes the bolt, it's nice to know that the equipment (Sako Extractor) will ensure casing ejection.

[MrDip02]

@ocabj i saw this gun on the 6mmBR website :) amazing gun

[CRFbadass]

WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN?!?!

[John4566442]

@CRFbadass

He's demonstrating that the Sako extractor ejects with more vigor in 6mmBR than the factory extractor.

[MrSavage204]

that is the complete opposite of what my 6BR does. it was built on a remington 700 action and it flings the casing off the bench

[van10nistelrooy]

U have the gayest gun I have ever seen in my life, and your taste in aftermarket things is so bad you should load the rifle, and Private Pile yourself in the head!

[MavHunter20XX]

What do you call a handful of this gun durring battle? PURPLE RAIN!

[YungSlick956]

damn thats a badass color

[MyHoovesClack]

Your gun... it very... purple.

[cv0lv0g0]

mine has throws them across the room on my 270

[MrAsundstrom]

i understand that you wanted to upgrade your gun, but i have the factory bolt in my gun and it throws the rounds totally clear of the gun. could it be that the extractor was broken? Ive seen that happen before. awesome gun BTW

[ocabj]

@MrAsundstrom But what cartridge are you shooting? I'm shooting 6mmBR. Very short casing.

[MrAsundstrom]

@ocabj OH... i see... im shooting .308; that makes more sense

[greasemonkeypol]

@MrAsundstrom factory bolt works fine as long as you pull fast the bold back

[mr00jimbo]

@MrAsundstrom Likewise in my 30-06

[schumifan1991]

Who's bolt handle is it on the Sako style bolt?

[ocabj]

@schumifan1991 Bolt handle came with the Eliseo R5 kit.

[ocabj]

@schumifan1991 The one that came with the Eliseo R5 kit.

[TheFr1ch]

What camera is that? The picture is flawless!

[ocabj]

@TheFr1ch I used a dSLR camera for this particular video. Canon 7D with a Canon 35mm f/1.4L lens.

[UrbanMoviemaker5]

How much do a rifle like that cost?

[ocabj]

@UrbanMoviemaker5 Complicated question because this is a rifle built from parts I hand picked, and total price will depend on the prices of the parts. But this particular gun with the sights and labor (to barrel the action) cost me about $3,000 USD, IIRC.

[UrbanMoviemaker5]

@ocabj Thanks for the reply:)

[BH206L3]

Well I never had a extractor ejector fail out of a 700 Remington, I had two Sako's that had extraction problems, easy enough fix, then again, All my 700's and Sako's were and are stock hunting rifles. Been shooting a Sako 75 for years now along with an old and I mean old 7mm RM in a 700 BDL that I have had since 69, that would be 41 years, Not so much as a hick up with that rifle, I would bet you have a broken plunger spring. Nothing in life is perfect. I still will buy either one.

[bazengao]

i specially liked more the colour your gun, i bet she's the blonde chick of the ranges! ;D

[1967spud]

you need to bump them shoulders back as welll

[MrDan747]

Its not the extractor itself that plungers it out its how much pressure the ejector pin has on it. But sako extractors will pull anything out, even if u have a jammed case

[Magnumpeanut]

Yea, my 700 with the factory extractor just dumps the case in the action. It is not a repeater so I actually prefer it to stay in the action personally. This way I am not looking in the grass and dirt for my stupid expensive brass. I thought it was just my gun a ll this time tho, lol.

[fishfuxors]

Wonder if that case had been sized properly before they did their test

[ColdFusion0]

Great video! 5 stars.

[DR1826]

Well I went downstairs and tried the same test with a BR case in my 6/250 700 actioned rifle, fully expecting the case to fly out. Guess what - it behaved EXACTLY like your video!!! Serve me a big plate of crow please. As I type this I understand why - the ejector only has so much travel. The angle of the lever, the case, is greater due to the short length of the case. Where the mouth touches the inside of the receiver, it has used up the travel of the ejector.

[ocabj]

No harm, no foul.

When I drove to Gary Eliseo's shop to pay him up front for an R5 kit back in late-2008, he was giving me lots of advice about his kit and he showed me the benefit of the Sako extractor in person, so I got a hands on demo of how the short 6mmBR case hangs up in the Rem 700 action.

Again, even w/o the Sako mod, you *can* eject 6mmBR cases as long as you operate the bolt quickly. Watch the High Masters shoot tube guns and they whip the bolt quickly in rapid fire stages.

[DR1826]

Obviously your EJECTOR in the factory remmy bolt is not functioning. Not a very representative video; in fact it is quite misleading.

This has nothing to do with the extractor; the extractor is functioning just fine on the remmy bolt.

[ocabj]

The factory ejector is working fine. The problem is that the short case doesn't allow the ejector to generate enough torque into the case to kick it out. Understand that this was done using 6mmBR. If my gun were chambered in something like .243/.308 or .30--06, there wouldn't be a problem.

What I should have done was added a third portion of the video where I used the factory bolt and did a *fast* operation of the bolt. The case would kick out by doing this.

[ocabj]

The point of this is that the Sako-style extractor provides more insurance in the event of a slow stroke of the bolt with a short case like the 6mmBR in a Remington 700 receiver.

[nosegunner]

Wow! That Sako extractor really makes chambering and extracting a lot smoother! That has got to save you some time on the firing line. Excellect video! Thanks!